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January 16, 2020 | Luiz Sérgio Solimeo 

One Cannot Destroy the Papacy to Save the Church:

True Ultramontanism and the Right to Resist

The terrible crisis afflicting Church and papacy fills good and faithful Catholics with unspeakable sorrow. However, in resisting the errors being promoted at the
highest levels in the Church, some conservative critics seem to be slipping now and then into confusion.

The Danger of Attacking the Papacy Itself

Some of them have ascribed to venerable ultramontanism a new meaning that distorts and denies its ancient fidelity to Church teaching.1

Others wonder if the “inopportunists,” the liberal wing at the First Vatican Council, might not have been correct after all when opposing the definition of the dogma
of papal infallibility, claiming that it distorted the role of the Supreme Pontiff in the Church.2

Some use the disrespectful term of “papolatry,” against those who maintain the traditional respect for the Roman Pontiff. “Papolatry” would be an excessive and
unreasonable reverence for the pope, which would undoubtedly prevent many from analyzing and resisting Pope Francis’s errors and misbehavior, however
egregious. However, some equate this “papolatry” with the growing understanding and love for papal primacy and jurisdiction during the Church’s second
millennium.3 Actually this fervor increased with the pontificates of the great Popes of the time, as Saint Gregory VII, Innocent III, Bl. Urban II and Boniface VIII.
They fought boldly against Kings and Emperors that wanted to dominate the Church, proclaimed the Crusades and defended the Faith against heresies.

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Others criticize Doctors of the Church who studied and developed Catholic doctrine on the papacy while defending it from attack.4

The confusion spread by these commentators is cause for concern. While it is imperative for Catholics to resist Pope Francis’s errors, it is vital that they do this
properly, faithfully growing in their love of the papacy.

It is impossible in the scope of one article to address all of the confusion, but I will attempt to clear up some important points.

I start with ultramontanism since Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira—and with him all TFP members worldwide—considered himself an ultramontane. Indeed, the
Counter-Revolution is the continuation today of this current of fidelity in Church history.

Distorting Ultramontanism

The distortion of the meaning of ultramontanism corresponds neither to historical truth nor the current situation and, perhaps unwittingly, runs counter to traditional
Church doctrine on the papacy. As Dr. Taylor Patrick O’Neill rightly observed, “the use of the term [ultramontanism] in this way is dangerous for two reasons: it
disassociates the term from its historical significance, thus changing its definition, and it threatens to fundamentally alter our regard for papal authority.”5

The terms “ultramontane” and “ultramontanism” have their historical roots in the Middle Ages, and refer to the pope’s defenders against moves by Holy Roman
emperors to interfere in Church government. It was used later in Church polemics against Gallicans, Protestants, and Jansenists, becoming popular in the nineteenth
century.

“Ultramontane” means “beyond the mountains,” the Alps, referring to Italy and Rome—where the Holy See and the papacy are located—relative to other European
countries.6

Gallican and Jansenist Errors

While differing in their doctrines and goals, the errors of Gallicanism, Jansenism, and Febronianism,7 converged in the defense of a State’s falsely claimed right to
interfere in ecclesiastical matters and to curtail the pope’s power over bishops.
Based on these errors, civil authorities and national episcopates usurped the power Our Lord Jesus Christ conferred on the pope to teach and govern His Church. In
article 4 of the notorious 1682 Declaration of the Clergy of France, the Gallicans said that the popes’ pronouncements on faith only became irreformable when
approved by the Church.8

The Jansenists denied that the pope receives his jurisdiction directly from Our Lord, as we see in His words to Saint Peter: “And I will give to thee the keys of the
kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also
in heaven” (Matt. 16:19).9

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In the Bull Auctorem Fidei (Aug. 28, 1794), Pope Pius VI condemned the Jansenist doctrine of the Synod of Pistoia as heretical: “[T]he proposition which states
‘that the Roman Pontiff is the ministerial head,’ if it is so explained that the Roman Pontiff does not receive from Christ in the person of blessed Peter, but from the
Church, the power of ministry, which as successor of Peter, true vicar of Christ and head of the whole Church he possesses in the universal Church, ‒ heretical.”10

Birth of the Ultramontane Movement

Together with a great religious decay, especially in European elites, these errors contributed to the spread of revolutionary ideas that led to the cataclysm of the
French Revolution, followed by the Napoleonic era (1789–1814).

After almost two decades of religious persecution—massacres of priests and nobles, dissolution of religious orders, wars, insurrections, the arrest of two popes
(Pius VI and Pius VII) by French revolutionaries—France experienced a religious awakening. Most of its nobility returned to the practice of the Faith, and priestly
and religious vocations flourished. New male and female congregations were founded, devoted especially to teaching and the foreign missions, and old religious
orders were restored.11

The storm helped to awaken the dormant French Catholic sense and many applied themselves to analyze the Revolution’s causes. Their minds sought for the
certainties that guide thought and make it solid through analysis. The certainty of Faith is the greatest of these and is guaranteed by God Himself through the
infallible teaching of His Church.

The Ultramontane Doctrine on the Papacy Is Catholic Doctrine

This renewed fervor gave rise to the so-called ultramontane movement, which defended the papacy against Gallican, Jansenist, and liberal errors. The doctrine which
the ultramontanes advocated was not an innovation. It appears in the Gospels (Matt. 16:18–20; Luke 22:31–34; John 21:15–17), in the Fathers and Doctors of the
Church, and in writings of great popes who honored the See of Peter.12

It is in this sense that Msgr. Umberto Benigni identifies ultramontane doctrine on the papacy with Catholic doctrine, concluding: “The war against Ultramontanism is
accounted for not merely by its adversaries’ denial of the genuine Catholic doctrine of the Church’s power and that of her supreme ruler, but also, and even more, by
the consequences of that doctrine.”13

It is evident that in the ardor of battle, especially at the journalistic level, there has often been exaggeration or inaccuracies in theological formulations. But it was not
these that drew fire from Gallicans, Jansenists, and liberal Catholics. Their opposition was because they rejected Catholic truth on the pope’s primacy and
infallibility.

Ultramontane Militancy Against Error

The ultramontane movement’s hallmark was its combativeness against the errors of the time. Its defense of Catholic doctrine was clear and fearless. It was an earnest
endeavor to restore Church and papacy to the glory they had attained in the High Middle Ages when the popes were the arbiters of Christendom.

This movement brought together bishops, priests, and lay Catholics. It had the full support of the great Popes Gregory XVI (1831–1846) and Pius IX (1846–1878). It
helped spread the encyclicals against liberalism, which had infiltrated the Church with the French Revolution. Its main focus of irradiation was France, but during
these two pontificates it spread to other European countries and to the New World, thus creating a favorable climate for the declaration of the dogma of papal
infallibility in 1870.

Liberalism Opposed Papal Infallibility

Papal infallibility was a doctrine commonly held by faithful theologians. It was defended by great saints and Doctors of the Church such as Saint Robert Bellarmine
(1542–1621), Saint Francis de Sales (1567–1622),14 and Saint Alphonsus de Liguori (1696–1787),15 long before the First Vatican Council.

To better understand the importance of this dogma, one should bear in mind that from the mid-nineteenth century on, papal defenders polemicized mainly against
liberalism more than Protestants, Gallicans, and Jansenists.

Pius IX’s Syllabus, which accompanied the Encyclical Quanta Cura (December 8, 1864), condemned liberalism, defining its essence as follows: “Human reason,
without any reference whatsoever to God, is the sole arbiter of truth and falsehood, and of good and evil; it is law to itself, and suffices, by its natural force, to
secure the welfare of men and of nations.”16

Liberal errors lead to total relativism, turning natural and revealed truth into mere personal feeling.

Liberal Governments Against Infallibility

Liberal and philo-Jansenist governments tried to prevent the First Vatican Council from proclaiming the dogma of papal infallibility. Thus, the governments of
France, Austria, Bavaria, England, Spain, and Portugal sent a threatening memorandum to the Vatican in opposition to the dogma’s approval. Liberal Catholics,
always ready to please the world, spoke in unison with the Church’s worst enemies.17

A First Milestone in the Rise of the Counter-Revolution

That being the context, it is easy to understand the importance of the ultramontanes’ polemics against these liberal Catholics.18

It Was No Mistake to Proclaim Papal Infallibility

As mentioned, some conservatives today wonder if the definition of the dogma of papal infallibility by the First Vatican Council was not untimely.

Their questioning is misplaced. The definition of the dogma of papal infallibility and the reaffirmation of the pope’s direct and immediate primacy over the whole
Church without civil or ecclesiastical interference stemmed from the fervor of both clergy and faithful. They arose against the errors of the time, especially
liberalism, and confirmed the divinely-established monarchical form of Church government.19

What Is Papal Infallibility?

The First Vatican Council’s Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus of July 18, 1870, on the primacy of the Pope and papal infallibility was drafted with extreme
care. It makes it very clear that the pope only enjoys the personal charisma of infallibility in very specific circumstances of the so-called extraordinary magisterium,
to wit:

1. The Pope must speak as the universal Master and Shepherd;

2. He must make full use of his apostolic authority;
3. He must exteriorize the will to define;
4. He must teach on matters of faith or morals.

Moreover, the pope may not change the doctrine received from the Apostles and kept in the Deposit of Faith: “[T]he Holy Spirit was not promised to the successors
of Peter that by His revelation they might make known new doctrine, but that by His assistance they might inviolably keep and faithfully expound the Revelation,
the Deposit of Faith, delivered through the Apostles.”20

In their ordinary magisterium, the popes enjoy infallibility only when they teach a doctrine already taught continuously and over a long period of time by the
previous Magisterium. However, while the popes enjoy the general assistance which the Holy Spirit provides to the Magisterium of the Church, they can err and
have erred, as Church history shows.21

In addition to being able to err doctrinally and politically, if not faithful to the graces received, the pope, like any other person, can fall into sin and even become evil.
The examples of some tenth century and Renaissance popes are clear proofs of this.

A Pope Can Fall Into Heresy

Note that the ultramontane Doctors of the Church mentioned above—Saints Robert Bellarmine, Francis de Sales, and Alphonsus de Liguori—while defenders of
papal infallibility, also pondered the possibility of a pope falling into heresy.

Thus, Saint Robert Bellarmine writes: “[A] Pope who is a manifest heretic, ceases in himself to be pope and head, just as he ceases in himself to be a Christian and
member of the body of the Church: whereby, he can be judged and punished by the Church.”22

Likewise, Saint Francis de Sales states: “[W]e do not say that the pope cannot err in his private opinions, as did John XXII, or be altogether a heretic, as perhaps
Honorius was. Now when he is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church must either deprive him, or, as some
say, declare him deprived of his Apostolic See.”23

Saint Alphonsus Liguori is no less peremptory: “Heresy alone and no other crimes render the pope inept for his office; so in case the pope is a heretic, without the
Council being superior to him (how can the Council be above the pope if there is no pope?), the council declares the pope to have fallen from the pontificate as, by
holding a false doctrine, he can no longer be a Church doctor.”24

The Theological Hypothesis of a Heretical Pope

It should be made clear that for these Doctors of the Church, although a heretic ipso facto expels himself from the Church by formally adhering to heresy, he does
not necessarily lose jurisdiction at the same time. That is because the Church is a visible society and his heresy must be externalized and made public and notorious.

Until his heresy becomes public and notorious, a heretic member of the clergy retains jurisdiction. In the case of bishops and priests, that jurisdiction is
supplemented by the Church. In the case of the pope, it is supplemented by Our Lord Himself. But it is a precarious jurisdiction, maintained for some time for the
sake of the faithful.25

The Right to Resist

In line with his ultramontanism, the great Catholic thinker and leader, Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, founder of the Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition,
Family and Property and inspirer of sister TFP organizations around the world, declared himself in the state of resistance to the Vatican policy of détente with
communist governments. On February 18, 1974, in a widely publicized manifesto to Pope Paul VI, he declared:

Yes, Holy Father, Saint Peter teaches us that it is necessary “to obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). You are assisted by the Holy Ghost and
supported—under the conditions defined by Vatican I—by the privilege of infallibility. But this does not mean that in certain matters or circumstances
the weakness to which all men are subject cannot influence and even determine your conduct. One of these fields where your action is subject to error—
perhaps par excellence—is diplomacy. And this is precisely where your policy of détente with the communist governments is situated.

What, then, should we do? The limits of this declaration do not permit us to list all the Church Fathers, Doctors, moralists, and canonists—many of them
raised to the honor of the altar—who have affirmed the legitimacy of resistance. This genre of resistance is not separation, it is not revolt, it is not
acrimony, it is not irreverence. On the contrary, it is fidelity, it is union, it is love, it is submission.26

Defending the True Powers Christ Conferred to the Pope

These brief considerations attempt to show how unfounded it is to change the meaning of ultramontanism and to undermine papal authority and the reverence and
devotion of the faithful to the papacy.

The present crisis in the Church is perhaps the greatest in Her history. It is a complex situation that demands extreme care from us. Our Lord, who allows such crises
to punish our sins, does not leave us helpless.

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It is wrong to defend the Church by assailing ultramontanism as it has historically existed, or by reducing the powers that Our Lord conferred on the pope.

Instead, we should be faithful, keeping our love and respect for the pope intact, indeed, favoring its growth, and by making use of our right to resist the errors and
deviations of the present Sovereign Pontiff as taught by the great Doctors of the Church and the consensus of theologians.
Amid the storm, let us be confident that Our Lord never abandons His Church, having promised to be with Her even to the consummation of the world (see
Matt. 28:20).

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Footnotes

1. See, for example, Joseph Shaw, “Ultramontanism’s Death Sentence,” Rorate-Caeli.blogspot.com, Oct. 15, 2017, https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/10/ultr
amontanisms-death-sentence.html. 
2. See, for example, Peter Kwasniewski, “How Francis May Be Vindicating the ‘Inopportunists’ of the First Vatican Council,” LifeSiteNews.com, Jan. 2, 2020, ht
tps://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/how-francis-may-be-vindicating-the-inopportunists-of-the-first-vatican-council. 
3. “[T]he High Middle Ages…a time when pope-centrism arrived at a certain high point, when unconsciously the pope was identified with the Church as such. T
his was already in its root the mundane attitude of an absolutist prince according to the motto: ‘L’État, c’est moi!’ or in ecclesiastical terms: ‘I am the Churc
h!’” Bishop Athanasius Schneider, “On the Question of a Heretical Pope,” Rorate-Caeli.blogspot.com, Mar. 20, 2019, https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/0
3/important-guest-op-ed-bishop-schneider.html#more. 
4. See, for example, Eric Sammons, “Is Francis the Pope?” OnePeterFive.com, Oct. 29, 2019, https://onepeterfive.com/is-francis-the-pope/. 
5. Taylor Patrick O’Neill, “A Defense of Ultramontanism Contra Gallicanism,” Church Life Journal, Oct. 12, 2018, https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/a-def
ense-of-ultramontanism-contra-gallicanism/. 
6. Carl Theodor Mirbt, The Encyclopædia Britannica, Eleventh Edition (1911), Vol. 27, s.v. “Ultramontanism,” available online at Wikisource.org, accessed Jan.
2, 2020, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Ultramontanism. 
7. “The politico-ecclesiastical system outlined by Johann Nikolaus von Hontheim, Auxiliary Bishop of Trier, under the pseudonym Justinus Febronius. … Accor
ding to Febronius (cap. i), the power of the keys was entrusted by Christ to the whole body of the Church, which holds it principaliter et radicaliter, but exerci
ses it through her prelates, to whom only the administration of this power is committed. Among these the pope comes first, though even he is subordinate to th
e Church as a whole.” F. Lauchert, s.v. “Febronianism,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia (New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1909), accessed Jan. 13, 2020,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06023a.htm. 
8. A. Dégert, s.v. “Gallicanism,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, accessed Jan. 6, 2020, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06351a.htm. 
9. For a good explanation on this topic, see G. Joyce, s.v. “The Pope,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, accessed Jan. 13, 2020, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/1
2260a.htm. 
10. Denzinger, 1503. (Our emphasis.) 
11. See Adrien Dansette, Religious History of Modern France (Freiburg-London: Herder-Nelson, 1961). 
12. See Saint Robert Bellarmine, De Controversiis, On the Roman Pontiff, trans. Ryan Grant (Charleston, S.C.: Mediatrix Press, 2015). 
13. Umberto Benigni, s.v. “Ultramontanism,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, accessed Jan. 7, 2020, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15125a.htm. 
14. The Pope, writes the Saint, “cannot err when he is in cathedra, that is, when he intends to make an instruction and decree for the guidance of the whole Churc
h, when he means to confirm his brethren as supreme pastor and to conduct them into the pastures of the Faith.” Saint Francis de Sales, Defense of the Faith: T
he Catholic Controversy (Charlotte, N.C.: Tan Books, 2012), 225. 
15. Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, L’infallibilità e la superiorità del Papa sul Concilio, accessed Jan. 7, 2020, http://www.intratext.com/IXT/LATSA0118/_P
1.HTM. 
16. Pius IX, Quanta Cura & The Syllabus of Errors: Condemning Current Errors, Dec. 8, 1864, accessed Jan. 13, 2020, https://archive.org/stream/QuantaCuraTh
eSyllabusOfErrors_247/pius_ix_pope_quanta_cura_and_the_syllabus_of_errors_djvu.txt. (Our emphasis.) 
17. See J. Kirch, s.v. “Vatican Council,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, accessed Jan. 9, 2020, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15303a.htm. 
18. Through the pages of the newspaper L’Univers, French journalist Louis Veuillot engaged in famous polemics with liberal Catholics, including Most Rev. Félix
Dupanloup, the liberal Bishop of Orleans. Later, during the First Vatican Council, Bishop Dupanloup led the opposition to the definition of the dogma of papal
infallibility. See E. Tavernier, s.v. “Louis Veuillot,” in The Catholic Encyclopedia, accessed Jan. 10, 2020, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15394b.htm. 
19. Following Saint Robert Bellarmine, Fr. Christian Pesch affirms the common teaching of theologians: “The society established by Christ is a monarchic societ
y.” (Christian Pesch, S.J., “De Ecclesia Christi” in Compendium Theologiae Dogmaticae, 1:141. See also J.M. Hervé, Manuale Theologiae Dogmaticae (Paris:
Berche et Pagis Editores, 1952), 1:306, 336, 345; L. Lercher, S.J., Institutiones Theologiae Dogmaticae (Barcelona: Herder, 1945), 1:163; Charles Journet, The
Church of the Word Incarnate (New York: Sheed & Ward 1955) 1:422–3. 
20. Denzinger, 1826–1840. 
21. See Arnaldo Xavier da Silveira, Can Documents of the Magisterium of the Church Contain Errors? Can the Catholic Faithful Resist Them? (Spring Grove, Pe
nn.: The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property—TFP, 2015), https://www.tfp.org/can-documents-of-the-magisterium-of-the-chu
rch-contain-errors-can-the-catholic-faithful-resist-them/. 
22. Saint Robert Bellarmine, S.J., On the Roman Pontiff, 309. For a discussion of Saint Robert Bellarmine’s position, see Arnaldo Xavier da Silveira, Can a Pope
be… a Heretic? (Lisbon: Caminhos Romanos, 2018). 
23. Saint Francis de Sales, Defense of the Faith: The Catholic Controversy (Charlotte, N.C.: Tan Books, 2012), 225. (Emphasis in the original.) 
24. Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, Verità della Fede, no. 29, accessed Jan. 9, 2020, http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ITASA0000/__P3BF.HTM. (Our translation
and emphasis.) 
25. See Xavier da Silveira, Can a Pope be… a heretic?, 96–101. 
26. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, “The Vatican Policy of Détente with Communist Governments–Should the TFPs Stand Down? Or Should They Resist?” (Feb. 18, 1
975), accessed Jan. 9, 2020, https://www.tfp.org/vatican-policy-detente-communist-governments-tfps-stand-resist/#4. 

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marysson • 2 years ago • edited

I would only say that questioning the validity of Pope
Francis' election is not an attack on Papal Primacy and
jurisdiction (aka ultramontanism). People who are
wondering if Francis is really Pope, mostly are doing so
because of valid questions about Benedict's
resignation. It may or may not be the case that Pope
Benedict XVI is still the Holy Father.
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TruthHunter • 2 years ago

I think too, like myself, was Pope Francis a choice of
the Holy Spirit? Or, a choice of the Gallen Mafia (the
communists and Freemasons) who had their eye on
him for pope for a long time? But to their chagrin
Cardinal Ratzinger was chosen, and they got impatient
....thus Pope Benedict's resignation? Was it a 'forced'
resignation? We need to keep our eye on the Vatican,
and be aware of the continually "un-Catholic" actions,
too many to mention here, that has become an
everyday occurrence under Pope Francis. His history in
Argentina of liberation theology, globalism, and
socialism, While the popes before him said a Catholic
cannot be a socialist. Remarks about Jesus, remarks
about Capitalism, yet he unhesitatingly takes the
money of capitalists (Tom Steyer, George Soros, and
gov't for illegal immigrants, etc) to "feed" his ever
hungry Homo-mafia bishops. And like the leftists in the
U.S. government, he and his group of leftists in the
Vatican are out to re-structure the Catholic faith, as the
government is out to re-structure the government and
remove our Constitution. I know people are praying,
saying 54 day rosary novenas and calling on Our
Blessed Mother, but in the meantime???
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Ernie Specman • 2 years ago

This website has deleted 4 comments from my wife and
I on how this organization supports Amazon cloud
services.
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Ernie Specman • 2 years ago • edited

This organization uses amazon cloud services !

The email from this organization this weekend on HBO

includes HTML for data that they store on Amazon
cloud.

Not only did amazon pay $3 million in support fo the

WA state referendum for gay marriage (that passed)
but Bezos used money from Amazon to buy the
Washington Post, one of the biggest lying organizations
in America.
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Ernie Specman > Ernie Specman

 • 2 years ago • edited
TFP has justifiably denounced Bezo's Amazon
as shown in the titles of webpages on the TFP
website below, but then to become a customer
of Amazon web services, is truly two-faced.

The folder in the Amazon web services cloud

server that hosts files for TFP is named "tfp-
email". I can't post the entire URL, because TFP
deletes all coments with URLs or even TLDs,
but the URL is clearly displayed in the email that
I received from TFP yesterday on 19 JAN 2020

The following are titles of TFP webpages

denouncing Amazon that I found using the
search tool at the top of the TFP website.

"Tell Amazon to STOP Selling Blasphemous

Play Mats"

"Tell Amazon to stop promoting immorality and

marital infidelity"

"Tell Amazon’s Jeff Bezos to STOP Bashing the

Priesthood"

"Tell Amazon to stop promoting immorality and

marital infidelity"

TFP actions completely betray their own

editorial position.
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Ernie Specman > Ernie Specman

• 2 years ago
TFP - if you want the HTTP details on
your Amazon web services, reply to one
of my posts, i will receive an email from
Disqus with your comment. Considering
how badly you have treated some people
who comment here, I suspect I will never
hear from you.

I truly wonder if you care about your own

actions that support Amazon, or is your
editoral content just another business.
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Jorge Perdomo • 2 years ago

The Pope never has been and will never be a heretic

Little help to the Catholic Church when we publish our

criticism of the Pope
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Marion O'Dubhghaill Connell > Jorge

Perdomo • 2 years ago
Pope Francis announced the opinion that it's
"God's will" that a multiplicity of religions exist
among mankind. Whereas, the Lord Himself
spoke of His wish that "they all be one." These
two statements cannot be reconciled, and
priority must be given to the words of Jesus over
those of any Pope. And this is not the first time
the Pope has contradicted established Church
teaching.

I'm not saying that these contradictions mean

that "the Pope is a heretic," but I am saying that
Pope Francis' words must be carefully weighed
against what has been handed on the the
Catholic faithful - Sacred Scripture, and the
Fathers and the Doctors of the Church. Any
Pope who contradicts these, or, as Francis
frequently does, represents these in an
ambiguous way which distorts their meaning
and causes confusion among the People of
God, is one who is, frankly, not to be trusted
without *verifying* what he has to say.

Whereas with previous Popes, it was possible to

 open one's heart like a child, and receive their
thoughts with joy, with Francis, it's necessary to
erect a hedge - not a thick hedge, but one with
plenty of openings in it, but still, not permitting
just everything coming from Francis' words to
enter into one's soul.
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catherine > Jorge Perdomo • 2 years ago

How utterly wrong you are. Every man calling
himself pope since Paul VI has taught, preached
and publicly identified himself as a heretic.
Francis Bergoglio, through his constant words
and acts, is not a believer in nor defender of
Jesus Christ or His one, divinely instituted
Church. Evidently, you are completely ignorant
of what heresy is. Please educate yourself on
what is true as your salvation depends upon
knowing it and following it.
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Benedict Catania > Jorge Perdomo

• 2 years ago
Even if he prayed and worshipped Satan ?
Would you follow him ? If Protestant, never
mind. You already follow Satan.
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Francis Slobodnik • 2 years ago

Profound analysis!
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a.savino • 2 years ago • edited

God have Mercy on the ones who are criticizing the
Pope, without knowing what is really going on....Instead
pray pray pray. .
Im a Catholic I do respect the Pope and pray for Him
daily.
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Ruud Karsten > a.savino • 2 years ago

Those who know what is going on múst resist!
This doesn't mean loss of respect for pope
Francis as person, for whom we must pray. It
also doesn't mean disrespect of the papacy as
such!
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Em S • 2 years ago
What about 1983 Canon Law, Canon 332.2 which
invalidated Benedict XVI's renunciation and therefore
still holds the Papal Office? Bergoglio was elected in an
illicit conclave and is an impostor of the See.
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John D • 2 years ago • edited

Two matters are generally ignored by most Catholics.

1. Birthrate. Islam looks like it is on track to over Europe

without firing a shot, without the need for suicide
bombers- it will simply out-breed Catholics.

2. Self-discipline. Ever since ascetic practices were

discarded (before mass on a Sunday, and during Lent)
mysticism (saints of distinction are usually mystical)
simply faded. The purgative way is necessary before a
real growth in the mystical way occurs( illuminative,
then unitive).

Until Catholics address these two, Islam will continue

and simply take over. It won't matter one iota for several
points raised in the article. Islam is already gaining
ground. And it is worth recalling that the apparition of
Mary above the church of the nativity was seen also by
Muslims. The story of Medjugorje was predicted a
whole year in advance by a Sufi mystic.

Th "h f th i t i " h f
The "heresy of the magisterium" or heresy of
indifference, was discussed by Fr Karl Rahner SJ, in
"Nature and Grace".

It should also be said the real sin in the Catholic church

is neglect.

Neglect to publish the correct version of the beatitude

(Matt 5, 'blessed' not 'happy'), neglect to promote the
miracles of the Eucharist, and other miraculous events.

Today chatter before and after mass is the norm in the

country I come from, and it does nothing for listening
skills or reverence.

Youth of course vote with their feet.

TV has done nothing for Catholicism, but I will bet you

most Catholics will not do without it- thereby increasing
shamelessness. So with resulting evolution of motion
picture now there is a $150 Billion porn industry.

Does that raise the status of women?

No
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catherine > John D • 2 years ago

The most important matter ignored by most
Catholics is those who claim to be leaders and
shepherd's of the Catholic Church long ago
abandoned Christ and took up the banner of
revolution against Him and His one, true
Church. The smoke of Satan that Paul VI let in
(the Communist/Liberal supporter and promoter
of the path to the destruction of the priesthood,
faith, and reverence due God) has since
smoldered first, grown in intensity, and will
eventually burn through the demonic-inspired
foundations set up in their council of apostasy
and hatred for God.
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TFB > John D • 2 years ago

You had me until you raised the HERESY of
Medjugorje.

That scam has been utterly refuted time and

time again - it remains the ONLY so-called
Apparition in the History of the Church that has
seen it's supposed "mystics" become RICH from
their supposed experiences.

Sorry - NO SALE....
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John D > TFB • 2 years ago

Heresy cannot apply until the apparitions
cease. The catholic church has a ruling
not to lay claims until the case of
Medjugorje comes to an end. All the
Pope has done is to say you are free to
go there.
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TheKnowerseeker • 2 years ago

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