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Jan 10, 2009 #1

I listened to a sermon by Barry Horner last night and he called

James Stuart Russell a heretic.

I never finished Parousia, but I am curious if you think the same of

Russell?
CIT
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If so, why?

Jan 10, 2009 #2

Chaplainintraining said: ↑

I listened to a sermon by Barry Horner last night and he called James

Stuart Russell a heretic.

I never finished Parousia, but I am curious if you think the same of Russell?
Hippo
Puritan Board Junior If Russell is a heretic, are all hyper preterists heretical?

If so why? Click to expand...

The key problem is a denial of a future physical resurrection.

Jan 10, 2009 #3

Yoda would say it this way, "Heretic he is"

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Anton Bruckner
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Jan 10, 2009 #4

I thought you meant Charles Taze Russell for a minute. He was a

heretic.

turmeric
Megerator

Jan 10, 2009 #5

One potential take on the issue...

John Noe's book, "The Apocalypse Conspiracy: Why the World May
Not End As Soon As You Think and What You Should Be Doing in the
Meantime" points out that the Greek text in the NT passage that

Zeno333 mentions Jesus going back up into the sky, and the angels saying
Puritan Board Freshman that Jesus will return in like manner, CAN be literally interpreted
from the Greek, as meaning..(to paraphrase), that "Jesus comes
and goes in the manner you have just seen". That concept coupled
with the idea throughout Scripture that coming on "clouds" means
coming with "judgment", (an idea shared by most Partial Preterists),
could shed a much different light on the Biblical "evidence" for a
physical 2nd Coming of Jesus.

I am NOT saying I agree with Noe's book or premise, but just saying
it is a literal Greek reading possibility.
So in dealing with this issue, one must carefully examine the literal
Greek meanings of the key passages that appear to point to a
physical 2nd Coming of Jesus.

Jan 10, 2009 #6

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I read his book, or at least most of it, last year when I was studying
the book of Revelation mostly because I noticed that anyone who
knows much about end times has read the book. It is a good
synopsis of preterism and an early dating of the book of Revelation.
But he does go to far in certain areas being a full preterist and

shackleton believing that all of what was spoken of by Jesus was fulfilled by 70
Puritan Board Junior A.D. including the resurrection and Second Coming. But if you can
read it knowing this and are not going to be taken in by it it is worth
the read.

Jan 10, 2009 #7

shackleton said: ↑

I read his book, or at least most of it, last year when I was studying the
book of Revelation mostly because I noticed that anyone who knows much
about end times has read the book. It is a good synopsis of preterism and
an early dating of the book of Revelation. But he does go to far in certain
Zeno333 areas being a full preterist and believing that all of what was spoken of by
Puritan Board Freshman Jesus was fulfilled by 70 A.D. including the resurrection and Second
Coming. But if you can read it knowing this and are not going to be taken
in by it it is worth the read Click to expand...

Very true...

I got my copy of Noe's book believe it or not, at the RTS (Reformed

Theological Seminary) Orlando, back when it was at its old location
in Maitland, Florida. It was at their book store there. I talked to the
at the time book store manager about the book, and he said he
ordered it to have something "controversial" to stir up some debate
about the issues. It is indeed that....

Jan 10, 2009 #8

A future bodily resurection is also universally proclaimed by the

major Catholic creeds, any denial of this tenant is almost by
definition heretical. I Corinthians 15 is fairly clear on the matter and
even if someone can come up with some clever argument the
Creeds leave no doubt that such arguments are heretical.
Hippo
Puritan Board Junior The Apostles Creed

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I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,

the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

The Nicene Creed

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge

one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection
of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The Athanasian Creed

He ascended into heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father,

God Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the living and
the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their
bodies; And shall give account of their own works.

Of course our own confessions are also clear on this subject as well
(WCF Chapter XXXII).

II. At the last day, such as are found alive shall not die, but be
changed: and all the dead shall be raised up with the self-same
bodies, and none other, although with different qualities, which shall
be united again to their souls forever.

Hyper preterism is really just another form of Gnostisism and should

be treated as such,

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