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Rasiel, E. - The Mckinsey Way
Rasiel, E. - The Mckinsey Way
BE PREPARED: WRITE AN INTERVIEW GUIDE
When you go into an interview, be prepared. You may have
only 30 minutes with a person whom you may never see
again. Know what you're going to ask.
\When I asked McKinsey alumni for their best advice on inte
Views, every single one of chem said, "Write an inervew guide.”
‘Many people resent being interviewed, or at least begrudge you
the time chat you are taking from their day. guide is your best,
+00! for getting what you waat from inceviewees and for mab
ing che bes use of your time—and this.
‘You must think on wa levels when constructing your eve.
ust, and obviously, what are the questions co which you need
answers? Write them all down in any order. Second, and more
important, what do you really need from this interview? Whee
ace you tying to achieve? Why are you talking to this person?
Defining your purpose will help you put your questions inthe
right order and phrase them correctly.
Tr helps to know as much as possible about the interviewee
in advance. Is she a prickly CEO who might bite your head off
if you ask a sensitive question? Or is she a middle-level managee
‘whose pleas fr change in her organization have gone uneedec?
Both might know the same piece of information, but you'd
spproach each one differently.
‘At McKinsey we were taught that, as a rule, an interview
should sart with general questions and move on to specific one.
Don's dive right into a sensitive area like "Wha are your respon
sibiliies2” of "How long have you been with the company?”
Start with anodyne questions about, say, che industry overall
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develop rapport.
‘When deciding on which questions ro ask, you might want ©
include some to which you know the answer This may sound
‘counterintuitive, but i's really very useful, On questions of fac,
| asking a "singer" will give you some insights into the interviewee’
honesty and/or knowledge. For complex issues, you may think you
“know the answer, but there may be more than one; you should
find out as many as posible. |
‘Once you've written your guide, look at it and ask yourself,
“Whar ae che three things I mose want to know by the end of te
interview?" These are the things you will focus on when you po
into the interviewees office, the thee things that you wil ry your
hardest ro obeain before you leave. Sometimes you wont even get
those answers sce “Diffcle Interviews” later inthe chapter, a |
sometimes they'll ome easily. Anything moe is gravy.
Finally, every interview guide should conclude with what Leall
the protorypical McKinsey question. When you've asked all your
questions, oF you're running out of time, put away your guide and
ask the interviewee if there's anything ls he'd ike ro ell you 0
any question you forgot to ask. As often a not, the interviewee
willsay no, bu every once ina while you'l strike paydit. Remen:
ber that, chances are the people you interview know thee organ
ations; their business units, or their departments beter than yeu
o. They may know which problems ae eluding senior manages,
‘whos pushing which agenda, or where the bones are buried. Ard
somecimes, if you're icky, they'll you
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WHEN CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS, LISTEN
AND GUIDE
When you're picking people's brains, ak questions and ther
let them do the talking. Most people like to talk, especially
if you et thems know you're interested i wwhat they're saying.
Keep the interview om track by breaking in whem necessary
McKinsey consultant recive lot oftetning in interviewing tech-
niques. The frst thing we were taught was “always lt the inte
viewee know you are listening.” We did ths by filling the gaps in
the interviewee’ conversation with verbal placeholders such ¢s
“yes, oF *I see," and even ust “ub-hub” (this particular choice
like to eal ehe MeKinsey grunt). Uh-huh may no seem like much,
bor ie shows tha you're paying atenion (even when you'e ot},
and i gives the other person a chance ro gather his thoughts and
catch his breath
‘We also learned ro communicate our interest through body la
guage. When the interviewee was speaking, we leaned rowed her
slighly. When she completed a sentence, we nodded. And we
always took notes. Even if the interviewee was babbling {and this
happened often enough), we had our notepads and pens our and
‘wrote things down. Like the MeKinsey grunt, note caking implied
we were paying attention and kept us prepared in ease the inter
viewee di say something imporant.
‘This technique could be carted 10 far, of course. Accordieg
to one piece of Firm lore, two consultants went to interview a
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high-level executive ata client, The engagement manager made
his introduction, then started asking questions. The executive
answered in detail Al ehrough this, the associate nodded and
ierocted with "yes," “ubchub,” and “Isee" while taking nows
furious pace ust ashe had been taught, but he never asked
any questions imsel. The EM asked follow-up questions and the
associate just kept on nodding and saying “ub-hub.” When the
interview ended, che EM thanked the exscutive for his time and
the two consultants got up to leave. As they were shaking hands,
the executive pointed to che associate and asked the EM, “Does ke
speak English?”
‘When McKinsey consultants conduct interviews, is because
they want access the information, experience and aneedotes in
other person's heads, Consultants ae chere eo listen, not total
They need to semember that the other person hs 4 separate
agenda, and needs ro be kepe on tack. The process can somecines
prove dilficul,Lonce had to interview a purchasing manager from
«client's plane in Mdaho. He knew all about che plant's supplies,
customers, input requirements, and manufacturing proceses, bet
all he cared about was fishing—Aly fishing. “Did I fly fish?” be
‘wanted to know. I should ery it 1 was ever in che Pocatello ares,
he could set me up. You get the picture. I elk sbi bad geting hin
‘off his favorite subjost, but I as thereto get information, not
‘swap fish stoves.
“The main thing to remember when trying to get informatien
fom other is that chey need to feel you are listening and hae
you'r intersted in whar they have to say. Use postive body la
_muage and always tke notes. One final erick: If you want people
say more chan they have if you hink they have left out something
important but you'ee not sure what its, say nothing. Let the
sileace hang, Nature abhors vacuum, and so do most peopl.
‘Chances are they wil tare calkng, just ro fill he gap. I chey have
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SEVEN TIPS FOR SUCCESSFUL INTERVIEWING
Always think strategically when conducting an interview.
You have a goal to reach and limited time to reach it, Here
are seven tried-and-tested stratagems to help you get what
‘you want from an interviewee.
1. Have the interviewees boss set up the mecting. Going
through the boss tells the interviewee thatthe interview is impor:
tant, Hell be less likely to jerk you around ithe knows his boss
wants him to talk ro you.
2. Inerview in pairs. 1° very dificult to conduct an effete
interview on your own. You may be so busy tang notes chat it
‘becomes difficult co ask the right questions. You may miss nen
verbal cues thatthe interviewee is giving. Sometimes, ii weil
for a pair of interviewers r0 “tag team" —ewitch roles from gue
tion poser to note taker during the session. The approach is espe
cially effective when one ofthe interviewers has specific knowledge
‘om certain issues that will he covered. Furthermore, iis always
‘seul ro have wo diferent views of what actually happened in the
interview. Jt make sure that whoever writes up the interview
notes corroborates them with the other interviewer.
3, Listen; don’ lead. In most interviews, you are not looking
for yes-orno answers to your questions. You want exhaustive
answers—as much information as posible. The way to ee them
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lor more about her business than you do, and most ofthe infor.
mation she gives you wil be usefl one way or another.
Here's another trick for keeping the information flowing. Ade
open-ended questions. If you ask yesor-no or multiple choice
‘qvestons hat’ all you wil get. For example, suppose you wane
find out when a store's busiest season is, You think itis either sum
rer oe winter, but you'e nor sue.
your busiest season summer or winter she mighe say summess
she might say winters o she might say, "Acrually, i's spring,” in
‘which case, you've just highlighted your lack of knowledge about
her business. IFyou ask hes, "What is your busiest season?” ste
will give you the answer, and probably in more detail than if you
tive her multiple choice—for example, “We're busiest in te
spring, specifically at Easter” By asking the open-ended question,
you get a much beter result
4. Pasaphrase, paraphrase, paraphrate, Before going ovt cn
lmeviews, every MeKinsey constant strained to repeat back sub-
jeor's answers in sighly diferent form. I cannot overstress how
Jmpoctan this is. Most people do nor think or speak ina competey
structured way. They ramble, they digress, they jumble important
facts among erlevancies If you repeat cheir own words bacl 10
‘them—idealy with some structure appied—then they an el yeu
‘whether you understood them coreecd: Paraphrasing also gives the
| interviewer a chance to add information or amplify important poins
5. Use the indirect approach. An EM had on his team a new
associat, fresh out of the Navy The two had put together a very
clear interview guide and had agreed on a specific st of goals for
an interview with a middlelevel manager a thie client, so the EM
lec che associate take the lead, The associate proceeded to gil the
manager agaressivly in order to get precisely what he wanted,
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ifit were an interrogation rather than an interview. As you might
imagine, the interviewee was rattled; he became defensive and
essentially refused to cooperate
“The moral ofthis tale is "Be sensitive co the interviewee’ ee
ings." Understand thatthe person may fel threatened. Don't dive
right into the rough questions. Ifyou have to dance around she
important issues for a fw minates, that’s OK, Take time to make
the interviewee comfortable with you and the interview proces
(for an in-depth discussion, see the next section,
6. Don't ask for too much. There
for everything the interviewee has, Fits, you might ger it. When
you write your interview guide, you narrow down your goals
ons not to ase
the wo or three most important questions. Ifyou then ask the
interviews for the sum rotal of his knowledge ofthe widget indus
1, you may find yourself wading through a lor of information
get what you really need if you even find i aval.
Second, you want to stop short of the straw that breaks the
‘camels back. Remember, being interviewed, especially in the con-
text of a business problem, is an uncomfortable experience fer
many, Ifyou compound that discomfort by peessing roo hard, you
ray find that the interviewee becomes uncooperative ot even hos
tle You never know when you may want to come back otis pe
sn for more information, a0 don' shut the door
7. Adopt the Columbo tactic. Ifyou watched TV inthe 1970s,
you may remember Peter Falk's renchcoat wearing decective,Liew-
tenant Columbo. After he finished quizzing a murder suspect
bout her whereabouts onthe night in question, he would pick up
his rumpled raincoat and head out the door, As he reached tke
threshold and was about leave, he would run around, stick his
finger wp to his temple, and say, “Excuse me, ma'am, bur there’
something I forgot ask.” This question invariably gave Columbo
the answer he needed 0 figure out who di it.
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