TC-33-07rev1

Minutes of the IAF Technical Committee Meeting Held 26-27 March 2007 in San Francisco 1. Welcomes and Apologies
Mr. Dougherty called the meeting to order (attendance list follows). He invited all to stay for Industry Day and the dinner on Wednesday. He noted that members of ANABs board of directors would be present at some of the IAF sessions, and he recognized members of ANABs staff who were present to help with meeting arrangements. Mr. Dougherty noted the following had asked to attend the meeting: Messrs. Carl Blazik of SAI Global, Mike Brennan of IAOB, Mike Carmody of IPC, Mike Caruso of UL, Brian Dixon of EFAC, Simon Feary of IPC, Takeo Iwamoto of JCQA, Roberto Lorenzoni of TUV, Shunichi Mawatari of JQA, Toru Mikami of JQA/JACB, Paul Palmes of Business Standards Architects, Craig Pattison of itSMF International, Lee Poulton of EFAC, Grant Ramaley of DTA, Chuck Russo of ABSQE, and Haru Uchida of JTCCM, and Ms. Laura Smith of Quality Digest and Ms. Joan Sterling of Intertek. He also extended apologies on behalf of Messrs. Peter Kronvall of Swedac, Iain Muir of SABS, Trevor Nash of EFAC, Suminto of BSN, and Sandy Sutherland of LRQA and IIOC, and Ms. Heliane Fonseca of CGCRE/INMETRO, and Ms. Merih Malmqvist of Swedac,. Meeting papers had been e-mailed and posted on the IAF Web site prior to the meeting. Additional papers submitted the meeting (numbered TC-23-07 and up) are included with these minutes.

2. Agenda and Objectives of Meeting

Mr. Dougherty said item 7.4 would be discussed prior to item 5.8 and following because the topic of 7.4 would have relevance. Item 4.3.1 was scheduled for discussion immediately following the lunch break. Item 8.2 (ISO/CASCO WG21) was restored to the agenda, and item 8.8 (ISO/CASCO WG29 17065) was added.

3. Minutes of 14-15 November 2006 Meeting

There were no additional revisions to the minutes of the November 2006 meeting in Cancn and revision 1 (TC-101-06rev1) was approved as the final minutes. 3.1 Log of Key IAF TC Decisions Mr. Borzek apologized for not having provided an updated document and promised to do so following the meeting.

4. Progress Reports
4.1 WG for ISO/IEC 17024 4.1.1 TF to Revised Guidance on ISO/IEC 17024 Dr. Swift reported that the group had met the previous day the group and finalized a paper on the need for an MLA for presentation to the EC later in the week. Two elements required additional guidance (4.3.2, validated scheme, and 4.3.6, defining fair, valid, and reliable). This will be presented for ballot in the formal process. One way of trying to move toward harmonization in implementation of ISO 17024 is through case studies, 13 of which had been submitted.

Mr. Inman said the guidance being developed on transfer of accredited certification should apply when it is finalized, so the ISO/IEC 17024 group should coordinate with that group with regard to this topic. Mr. Swift said eventually, the case studies could evolve into submitting more formal guidance to the TC. 4.1.2 TF Regarding the Need for an MLA for ISO/IEC 17024 Mr. Sukel noted that the question of the need for an MLA would go directly to the EC. Considerations include the current business and regulatory environment; difficulties in defining the market; current operations of personnel certification bodies; costs of accreditations; interests of the various parties; interests of users of certifications; feasibility of crafting, implementing, and monitoring an MLA; and work of other international organizations. Discussion led to the sense that the issue has to be approached from a different angle: How need IAF respond to market demand? The market expects IAF to ensure that certificates are internationally accepted. In a two-way approach, the market prepares a certification scheme that has a normative document (the competence criteria) and an examination procedure, while IAF realizes the acceptance by all member ABs. The group will recommend that IAF establish an ISO/IEC 17024 MLA in certification of persons that applies only to IAF endorsed schemes. Schemes would be submitted for technical review and endorsement by IAF, a committee with appropriate expertise would be established within IAF for the technical review of the schemes, and IAF would develop a process and specification against which all schemes would be evaluated. Mr. Dougherty said the list of endorsed standards may need to have an added list of documents that are endorsed (product standards, etc.). Some standards would have an established framework MLA (for example, Guide 65) with another level involving standard relating to a specific scheme. Mr. Xiao said IAF procedures describe how to endorse a scheme. As to scope, a work group in the MLA MC will produce a policy paper for Sydney, including how many levels of a framework IAF MLA. GFSI and EurepGap are currently endorsed schemes of IAF. Mr. MacCurtain advised caution in speaking of schemes and standards. Dr. Swift said scheme was intentionally used instead of standard, as encompassing more in terms of competencies. Mr. Sukel said an MLA could be useful in getting global recognition of standards. Mr. Dougherty commended the group for adding important issues for discussion by the EC. 4.2 Working Group for PEFC Ms. Rantanen said the group was to meet later in the week to develop joint IAF-PEFC guidance on chain-of-custody certification. There are also questions regarding forest management, such as what ISO/IEC 17021 means for the sector and publicly available audit reports. Mr. Tymrak discussed two papers provided with the TC meeting agenda. The expectation is that TC members will look at the Forest Certification Assessment Guide (FCAG) requirements and related comments to see that they are reasonable and appropriate, if they conflict with ISO standards, or if there is no rationale for them. Ms. Rantanen said this should be resolved at the EC rather than the WG level. Mr. Dougherty said the WG may be closer to the issue and would be in a position to provide input to the EC. Mr. Tymrak said the question is whether the three basic requirements add to credibility. The group is seeking discussion between IAF and the World Bank on requirements of the document. 4.3 Working Group for ISO/IEC 20000 Mr. Kawaberi said the group had met the previous day with eight TC members and an itSMF rep attending. The objective was to provide a forum for exchange of info on ISO/IEC 20000; IAF survey results, the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC7/WG25 report, the itSMF report, the need for IAF

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guidance, and cooperation between IAF and itSMF. The survey includes responses from 24 of 51 ABs (47% response rate). Ten ABs (42%) returned positive comments on the need for IAF guidance. Two ABs have accredited CBs for ISO/IEC 20000 and others are planning to. In the comments, it was stated that IAF guidance is vital or necessary for appropriate understanding and interpretation of the standard, specific guidance will be required when EA-7/03 is replaced by ISO 27006, and especially for competence analysis and audit duration. There are no regional boundaries to accreditation. Some respondent ABs replied that theThe main barrier to this new accreditation program development is limited market interest. The expectation for IAF guidance is limited, but most ABs that have a plan or are in the pilot stage expect ISO 20000 guidance with appropriate understanding and interpretation, harmonization of ISO 27001 and ISO 27006, and competence analysis and audit duration. A set of comprehensive reports provided by WG25 convener will be distributed to TC members. The path forward involves collecting more information directly from interested and involved ABs and keeping in touch with WG25 (and attending the next meeting) and itSMF. The group hopes to propose to the TC the need for guidance at the next meeting in Sydney. 4.3.1 IT Service Management Forum Mr. Craig Pattison of itSMF International compared the ITIL framework with ISO/IEC 20000, based on personnel certification vs. organizational certification. He discussed the level of interest worldwide, and a number of myths related to ITIL. He explained integrated service management and what drives it. He noted that WG 25, itSMFI, and OGC endorse alignment between ISO/IEC 20000 and ITIL so that adoption of ITIL positions a service provider to achieve ISO/IEC 20000 4.4 Auditing Practices Group/Accreditation Auditing Practices Group Dr. Thione reported on the meeting held prior to the TC meeting. To date, 34 papers have been published and well received. Drafting of a new paper on auditing supply chain (basic principles) began. It was agreed that the topic applicative guidance to the conduct of the audit and reporting by CBs could be better covered by an AAPG paper. AAPG has published seven papers to date. Several topics were considered for new papers. Drafting began on two new papers on key criteria for assessing the competency of CABs and their ability to deliver credible results and auditing CB management system based on ISO 9001 (option 1, clause 10 of ISO/IEC 17021). The next meeting will be in Sydney in October. Dr. Croft said there continues to be question of how to increase awareness of the published papers, which have been shown to have value. Mr. Xiao discussed putting this topic on the agenda of IAF MLA MC. 4.5 ISO 9001 Advisory Group Mr. Dougherty said there was no update from Cancun, as the group was to meet later in the week following the TC meeting. He invited participation in the development of strategies and how to respond to better meet the needs of end users. The group intends to be flexible on participation in the interest of hearing from all stakeholders. 4.6 Implementation of IAF Guidance on Cross Frontier Accreditation Mr. King reported that shortly after Cancn meeting when survey data showed eight ABs comprised 90% of foreign critical locations, the executives of those ABs got together to ensure cooperation in getting audits done efficiently. At mid-year, IAF will conduct another short questionnaire to make sure ABs, including those from developing countries, are able to complete audits by the 2007/12/31 deadline.

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Documents from PAC and EA are being used to draft guidance on cross frontier accreditation for IAF. Mr. Xiao said the MLA MC is also conducting a survey and will post information on the IAF Web site. 4.7 IEC/CAB-IAF Joint Technical Panel Dr. Thione reported the group had met in Geneva in February with four of about 15 people representing IAF. The Technical Panel discussed the IAF guidance published in December, to be effective in December 2007. There was agreement to pilot joint assessments by IAF member ABs with IECEE peer evaluations, including common checklists and assessment reports. The panel also reviewed a proposed MOU between IEC and IAF for submission through appropriate channels to the IAF EC and GA. There was discussion regarding G4.3.1 of IAF GD5:2006 and agreement that non-accredited labs included in assessments by the IECEE scheme could be considered acceptable. The next meeting will be in the UK next February. Mr. Muller reported on the ILAC experience with 30 joint assessments that have been performed, with a high degree of satisfaction of all parties. Work of the Technical Panel includes IECEE guidance on measurement uncertainty, draft common understanding of ISO/IEC 17025, and draft on planning of joint assessments. There is an MOU with voluntary participation. Mr. Dougherty noted that the agreement was that IEC and IAF would both appoint six members to the panel. IAF had tried to select both ABs and CBs with some geographic distribution. Mr. Paladino of SCC has agreed to replace Mr. Dougherty as a CB representing North America (as ANAB is not involved in product certification). 4.7 8 IAF-ILAC Joint Working Group on Inspection Mr. Dougherty reported that Ms. Malmqvist had provided three papers as a report.

5. Work Projects
5.1 Guidance on the Application of ISO/IEC Guide 65 Product Certification Mr. Dougherty reported that the ballot had passed shortly after Cancun meeting. It was published in December and becomes effective 2007/12/08. He commended Mr. Shaw and Mr. Ben Bowsher for their work in completing the project. Action: The TF on guidance on the application of ISO/IEC Guide 65 was terminated as the work had been completed. 5.2 Guidance on the Application of ISO/IEC 17011 Ms. Brough-Kerrebyn reported that the draft guidance was currently out for public review. She commended the committee members (whose names are in TC-02-07) for their work on the project. Mr. Owen reported that only a single comment had been received to date. 5.2.1 Competence of Accreditation Assessors and Experts Mr. Dougherty noted that in Cancn Mr. Pierre had said Ms. Savant would oversee work on a project intended to have the participation of ILAC. ILAC G11 and the outputs of WG21 will be taken into consideration by the TF. Mr. Balakrishnan, Ms. Brough-Kerrebyn, Mr. Carmody, Carmen Pilar, Dr. Thione, and Ms. Cynthia Woodley volunteered to participate. 5.3 Guidance on the Application of ISO 14065 Mr. Shaw said the ISO 14065 ballot had been approved the previous week and would be published within the next couple of months. The WG is a small group that continues to seek additional members. Later in the week the group was to work on an established template for

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what they think the document will look like. Further development was planned by electronic correspondence, with another meeting in August at UKAS, followed by a meeting in Sydney. The hope is to produce a guidance document in the first quarter of 2008. Mr. Dougherty noted that Mr. Figueiredo has volunteered to join group. 5.4 Improving Accredited Certification/Reengineering Dr. Thione reported that the TF had been established to put forth proposals to strengthen the effectiveness of accreditation and the value and credibility of accredited certification. His report detailed proposed actions, divided into short/medium term actions for improving the effectiveness of accredited certification, improving the effectiveness of certification, other actions, enforcing harmonized and effective application of rules by ABs, and improving answerability to stakeholders and the governance of the system, and recommended long term actions. Priorities will have to be set with implementation in a reasonable timeframe. Some things will be directed to the EC, TC, and MLA MC, and groups will likely be formed to undertake activities. Mr. Sall said the board has emphasized that efforts must involve ABs and CBs working in concert toward improvement. 5.5 Auditing Regulatory Compliance Mr. Dougherty reported that the original intent of the TF was to document what to expect of a company certified to ISO 14001 with regard to the regulatory community. The project was suspended pending availability of the results in the UK. EA had just published a guidance document. Mr. Dougherty said he would discuss with Mr. Church reviving the TF. Dr. Croft said there was something of a parallel with IAG efforts on the supply chain, and perhaps a similar approach could be developed with regard to regulatory compliance. He agreed to be in touch with Mr. Muller and Mr. Inman. 5.6 Guidance on the Transition to ISO/IEC 17021 Mr. Bennett noted the effort of the TF began in Cancn, where an initial draft was developed based on the decision establishing a 24-month transition period, with the idea of assisting both ABs and CBs. The 99 comments received during the comment period were addressed, and the ballot closes 2007/04/02. Mr. Dougherty commended Mr. Bennett and the TF for the expeditious handling of the document. 5.7 Need for Requirements for CBs Certifying to ISO/IEC 17025 Mr. Balakrishnan reported that based on discussion at the Cancn meeting, a TF was formed to develop a resolution in consultation with stakeholders. Mr. Peter Unger subsequently joined the TF. The discussion paper includes a proposed resolution: The IAF and ILAC General Assemblies resolve jointly that when an accredited CAB is issuing a certificate of compliance to any standard used by ABs as basis for accrediting CABs (e.g., ISO/IEC 17025 or ISO 15189), the accreditation of that CAB shall be withdrawn, as this situation makes the CAB competing with an AB, in opposition with clause 4.3.6 of ISO/IEC 17011 standard. There was concern that the proposal could be challenged legally as being too draconian. There were also concerns about what accreditation would be withdrawn according to the proposal. While there was some agreement on the substance of the matter, it was recommended that the proposal be revised to refer to a situation that puts the AB in a position of competition with the CB. Mr. Dougherty said that based on the discussion, there was no consensus to move forward with the resolution and the TF would need to consider issues raised during the discussion.

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5.8 Application Guidance or Requirements on QMS Scopes of Accreditation Mr. Dougherty reported that while it was decided in Rome to de-link the annexes, TFs had not been established. The decision in Cancn to not develop guidance on ISO 17021 left a void as far as the annex topics, so the former ISO 17021 TF met in Cancn and set TF chairs for most topics. He invited others to participate in these TFs. Given the action under agenda item 7.4, each TF will be given latitude to decide if their documents are to be normative or informative criteria, with the understanding that consensus must be reached to adopt any document. In Cancn, nobody had stepped forward to chair the TF on QMS scopes. Mr. Dougherty said his personal sense was that there was no need for a document on scopes, though he understood not all ABs shared his view. He said he believed scopes would die a natural death with the transition to ISO 17021, and he was comfortable with allowing each CB to develop a system that it could then demonstrate was working. Some CB reps said they had indeed developed their own systems and didnt find the 39 scopes useful or adequate. There was some support for retaining scopes and concern with eliminating scopes altogether at this point. Mr. Dougherty noted that the decision on scopes would not be made during the meeting. Rather, that would be the charge to the TF. Dr. Croft noted that the same few individual seem to do all the volunteer work. He suggested those who had not done so should step up and would receive the support of the TC members. Action: Formed new TF on criteria for QMS scopes. Mr. Phua will lead the TF with Dr. Croft, Mr. Ezrakhovich, Mr. Poulton, and Dr. Thione participating. The charge is to look at annex 1 of GD 2 and decide if it is to be retained as normative or informative criteria and whether it is to be revised or not. 5.9 Application Guidance or Requirements on Audit Duration for QMS Audits Action: Formed new TF on criteria for audit duration for QMS and EMS audits. Mr. Ezrakhovich and a recruit Mr. Bennett enlists from IIOC will co-chair, with Messrs Beer, Feary, Owen, and Palmes, and Dr. Croft participating, plus the members of Mr. Ezrakhovichs former subcommittee. It was noted that a proposal was to be brought to the EC later in the week to sponsor a more scientific approach to audit times, and results would be some time in coming. The TF was directed not to wait for the outcome of that effort to move forward. 5.10 Application Guidance or Requirements on Audit Duration for EMS Audits Same item 5.9, above. 5.11 Application Guidance or Requirements on Multi-Site Sampling Action: Formed new TF on criteria for multi-site sampling. Mr. Bennett is working with a small TF and has made fairly good progress. Ms. Savant volunteered. Mr. Richter said a statistician had advised the developers of ISO 22003 that sampling would not be statistically valid for food safety management systems, so he recommended looking at multi-site requirements for ISO 22003. 5.12 Application Guidance or Requirements on Transfer of Accredited Certification Action: Formed new TF on transfer of accredited certification, with Mr. Inman as chair. Mr. Inman said it was a simple document to review and the TF was well down the line. He will liaise with Dr. Swift, and hoped to have an agreed-on draft within about a month.

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5.13 Application Guidance or Requirements on ASRP Action: Formed new TF on criteria for ASRP. Mr. Kawaberi will lead with Dr. Croft participating. They expressed confidence that they could combine EMS and QMS. 5.14 Application Guidance or Requirements on CAAT Action: Formed new TF on criteria for CAAT. Dr. Croft will lead with Mr. Kawaberi participating. There was not a standalone document previously but it was agreed that something would be lost if the criteria did not continue. Dr. Croft said it would probably only be necessary to change the title.

6. Implementation of IAF Guidance Documents

Mr. Dougherty reported that no questions had been submitted since the Cancn meeting.

7. Issues Not Addressed Elsewhere

7.1 Proposal to Create a Product Certification Accreditation Working Group Mr. Hallenbeck said if the proposal to form a WG on product certification accreditation were supported, he would carry the message to Mr. Moliski (who had put forth the proposal but was unable to attend the TC meeting) and by June he would set up the group and hold a meeting. At the meeting in Cancn, Mr. Moliski had been concerned about CFA proposals that needed special consideration when applied to product certification. Dr. Thione suggested drawing on the expertise of the members of the former TF on guidance to ISO Guide 65. While caution was urged on assigning work items that apply to Guide 65 because it is about to be replaced by 17065, it was noted that there were appropriate areas for work. Mr. Dougherty said that generally a WG is formed without a specific charge but could come to the TC with specific recommendations for tasks. Mr. Beer said it would be a good idea to invite IEC via the CAB-IAF JTP. Action: Formed new WG on product certification accreditation: Mr. Moliski to chair with Messrs. Beer, Boboige, Chen, Dixon, Figueiredo, Hernandez, Inman, Mowry, Muller, Paladino, Phua, Romyanont, and Shaw, and Ms. Liu, Ms. Makino, and Ms. Savant participating. 7.2 Proposal to Create a Working Group on Certification of QMS for Medical Devices Mr. Ramaley said the Dental Trade Alliance represents small and medium-size manufacturers to facilitate legal dental trade in the global marketplace. He works for the U.S. dental industry on regulatory affairs and standards. He first heard about IAF when Health Canada regulated the medical device industry and clients were no longer to sell products in Canada, and was happy to see on the IAF Web site the certified once, accepted everywhere. His committee collects information and found the harmonized QMS is the biggest barrier to the medical device trade and threatens world health. Currently five countries/regions are members of Global Harmonization Task Force (GHTF). The QMS of choice is ISO 13485 and most medical device regulations are either harmonized with it or rely on it. Regulatory compliance is not voluntary. Because of this, medical device trade and healthcare are dependent on one another. As other countries adopt their own ISO 13485 accreditation, many healthcare products will cease to become available. Costs are skyrocketing beyond the benefit to the healthcare systems that rely on the products. DTA seeks one inspection for 150 countries instead of 150 inspections for each company. DTA advocates IAF using the GHTF guidance to develop an accreditation program for ISO 13485 and is seeking a formal proposal from IAF. This would lead

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to worldwide recognition. The system will model the Canadian Medical Device Conformity Assessment System (CMDCAS), the only system that will work for a global approach because it uses national ABs. The Global Medical Device Conformity Assessment System (GMDCAS) vision is: Providing opportunities to develop national medical device regulations without loss of access to safe and effective healthcare technologies. Mr. Dougherty noted that what is being sought now is formation of a work group. Mr. Ramaley said the biggest hurdle to overcome is lack of knowledge of IAF and perceived lack of standing of IAF. He said he would not expect GHTF to participate in an IAF WG but believes IAF could participate in GHTF (that is, submit a proposal to observe study group 4 of GHTF). After GHTF gains awareness of IAF, perhaps then there would be interest in participating in an IAF WG. Access to GHTF documents is available online. Action: Formed new WG on certification of QMS for medical devices: Mr. Ramaley will chair with Messrs Arnold, Keeling, and Richter, Ms. Brough-Kerrebyn, Ms. Liu, a GHTF person to be named by Mr. Beer, a BSI person to be named, and a JAB person to be namedMs. Azusa Nakagawa (JAB) participating. Mr. Ramaley will work with Mr. Dougherty to identify a co-chair. 7.3 CB Organizational Structure Re: ISO/IEC 17021 Mr. Shaw said he submitted the paper (TC-06-07) to stimulate debate but he also hoped the TC would agree to a policy statement of normative criteria. The crux of the matter is what part of its own organization means. UKAS has an example close to what is presented in the paper, in which the CB relies almost entirely on hired in resources and functions essentially as a virtual CB. During the ensuing discussion, it was noted that outcomes matter, and that there could be concerns about what an auditor who works for a CB on a very limited part-time basis does during the time he or she was not working for the CB (that is, potentially engaging in activities that could be in conflict with auditing). It was noted that there is not a single model that is acceptable to the standard, and the key issue is managing and monitoring. The TC took no action. 7.4 Requirements vs. Guidance Mr. Dougherty noted that the position had been taken to de-link the annexes from the guidance. In Cancn it was decided not to write any guidance to ISO 17021 but continue to apply the annexes until they are superseded by standalone guidance. Guidance is applied inconsistently because some ABs apply guidance as requirements and others do not. (It was noted that there was no knowledge of any MLA signatories not applying guidance as intended.) Renaming guidance was proposed to improve consistency so there is no ambiguity of intent. Mr. Inman noted that the paper (TC-10-07) had stemmed from the concern of EFAQ EFAC members, and he reviewed two comments added to the paper after it had been distributed with the agenda. It was noted that no matter what terminology was used, it would be necessary to distinguish clearly between the shoulds and the shalls. Mr. Inman suggested incorporating the language of the introduction to the GDs that clarifies the distinction between them. Mr. Dalrymple said ISO 17021 starts from the premise that it does not contain all the rules for management systems, so there was clearly a need for other rules from other sources. A potentially confusing issue is that some documents clearly give advice and others that include both shoulds and shalls. Action: There was consensus to move ahead using the terms normative criteria (for mandatory documents) and informative criteria rather than the term guidance. 7.5 EMS Multi-sites

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Mr. Dougherty had drafted the paper on behalf of Mr. Janhager of SCC. Following the decision in Cancn to maintain the annexes until they are superseded, the matter of EMS multi-sites (which are not discussed in the annexes) was left without guidance. Mr. Bennetts TF is addressing EMS multi-sites, so there is a longer term solution on the horizon. For the interim, the TC could log a decision stating that the specific clauses in GD6 continue to reply. Action: There was consensus that the specific clauses in GD6 relating to EMS multisites should remain in effect until they are superseded. 7.6 IAF Strategic Plan Mr. Dougherty said three strategic initiatives of IAFs strategic plan had been assigned to the TC. There was consensus to form TFs for initiatives 4 and 5, and have the reengineering TF take on initiative 6. Initiative 4: Review and revise, as needed, the process for managing IAF liaisons to industry to improve the exchange of information that will contribute to increased end-user satisfaction with accredited certification. Action: Formed new TF on IAF strategic Initiative 4: Mr. Borzek and a co-chair to be named with Ms. Rantanen and current TC liaisons participating. Initiative 5: Identify, document, and widely communicate concise statements of the outcomes required by the management system standards ISO 9001 and ISO 14001. Mr. Dougherty noted that the Executive Committee had discussed whether the effort should be expanded beyond ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 but decided to put the initial focus on these two and try to set a basis to raise the bar. Action: Formed new TF on IAF strategic Initiative 5: Dr. Croft and Mr. Dunning as cochairs with Messrs Beer, Ezrakhovich, Oh, Owen, Sall, Shaw, and Scicchitano, and possibly Ms. Shah participating. It was noted that the TF should try to get more participation by global industry and end users, who need not be IAF members to participate. Mr. Beer said he would recruit others. Mr. Dougherty will see if Mr. Church will participate. Initiative 6. Develop and revise IAF application guidance, as needed, to establish appropriate means by which ABs and CBs can increase confidence that an organization with IAF accredited certification of its management system is consistently achieving required outcomes. Action: Dr. Thione agreed to add strategic initiative 6 to the work of the TF on reengineering. 7.7 Review of IAF GD3 Mr. Dougherty said GD3, IAF guidance on cross frontier accreditation, will eligible for review at the end of the year. ISO 17011, which came about after GD3, does not correctly align with GD3. Action: Formed new TF to review of IAF GD3: Mr. Inman and Mr. Romyanont as cochairs with Messrs. Balakrishnan, Bennett, Dalrymple, Kawaberi, Masri, and Phua, and Ms. Leballo participating.

8. ISO Liaison Reports

8.1 ISO CASCO WG23 Common Elements Mr. Dougherty said WG 23 has one last document to produce, a PAS on management systems. Mr. MacCurtain said it had gone through the ISO TMB and should be balloted soon. That will

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complete existing work of the group. The long-term objective is that when an ISO standard deals with the topics of the five PASs developed by WG23, the wording of the relevant PAS will be used and any variation will have to be justified to CASCO. 8.2 ISO CASCO WG21 Mr. Dalrymple and Mr. Dougherty, the co-conveners of WG 21, feel there should be a separate liaison to report to the IAF TC on what occurs in WG 21, replacing Mr. Jaunin, who has retired. Lacking a volunteer, they will try to recruit someone. Mr. Dalrymple reported that there had been two meetings on part 2 on third-party auditing of management systems and competence. There is no output document currently. The next meeting will be in June with hopes of producing a first draft. The key issue is how the group reaches out to all the technical bodies involved in management systems, particularly with respect to auditing of management systems of all sorts. 8.3 ISO TC 176 Mr. Owen said there was little to add to his written report. The amendment to ISO 9001 and revision of ISO 9004 had been circulated for comment. Approval to go to ballot was 21-16, which in ISO terms is almost a vote of no confidence. Dr. Croft said the schedule for the amendment to ISO 9001 is driven by the schedule for ISO 9004, which is undergoing a major overhaul. The market does not want major changes on ISO 9001. The dilemma was whether to publish quickly with minor changes or publish in tandem with 9004 as a consistent pair (with flexibility as to what is meant by that), and it was decided to go with the latter. Regarding the adequacy of ISO 9001, one thing that came out of the IAG white paper was a number of action items for IAF and CASCO. Are requirements taken as whole sufficient to achieve the stated outcome of producing consistent conforming products? The preliminary report has not been formally approved by TC 176; Dr. Croft offered to provide it to anyone who would like to comment. The basic conclusions are that the requirements in standard if properly implemented are adequate, but it is written such that it requires referring back to definitions in the standard. One of the recommendations is to repeat the definitions in the relevant clauses to produce not a changed or new requirement but a more aggressive stance to emphasize existing requirements. 8.4 ISO TC 207 Mr. Owen said staged implementation of EMS, which will be ISO 14005, is the only real work of TC 207 at this time. SC2 will meet in June in Beijing, China. 8.5 ISO TC34 JWG 11 ISO/TS 22003 Mr. Dalrymple reported that the standard had been published in February. The JWG took on work of monitoring implementation of ISO 22000. The list developed in February identified 360 organizations that had achieved certification to ISO 22000. Publication of ISO/TS 22003 means some of those certifications will have to be revisited to be sure they meet the requirements. Certain sectors, such as retail, view ISO 22000 with some doubt. Outside the retail and distribution sectors, there are very different requirements across the world, ranging from none to many, and ISO 22000 will probably fill a gap. A lot of this hinges on credible certification. 8.6 ISO JTC1/SC27 ISO/IEC FCD 27006 Mr. Borzek said there was little to report. He had not received the last draft circulated at the end of 2006, but ISO/IEC 27006 was published in March 2007. 8.7 ISO 14065 Mr. Shaw had reported under item 5.1 on the anticipated publication of ISO 14065 within a couple of months following a positive vote the previous week.

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8.8 ISO/CASCO WG29 to Develop ISO/IEC 17065 Mr. Dougherty asked for a volunteer to serve as liaison to report to the TC on ISO/CASCO WG29, and Mr. Keeling agreed to do so. The first meeting will be in April in Geneva. Mr. Mario Wittner is chair of the work group and the first task is to examine scoping.

9. Sector Liaison Reports

9.1 Aerospace IAQG Mr. Borzek said there had been no meeting of IAQG since the meeting in Cancun. The next IAQG meeting will be in April. The next meeting of aerospace ABs will also be in April; the regular agenda includes exchange of experience, plus some issues that have been identified, including accreditation of CBs in an additional sector. Dr. Thione said the European Aviation Security Administration is interested in using the scheme. Mr. Dougherty said the aerospace industry has been watching development of end-user group with interest, and is interested in becoming a liaison industry member of IAF. 9.2 Forestry PEFC Mr. Tymrak reported that PEFC continues to endorse schemes and the process takes about 10 months and costs 20,000 to 30,000 euros. There is a five-year re-endorsement process, and about half of members are undergoing this process. The four-year transition period, which was very difficult to argue, was dropped. Some schemes have difficulty meeting the requirement because they have been operating a scheme prior to seeking PEFC endorsement for a very long time and recertifying within a year can be difficult. Another problem is in countries in which there is no AB. There is a new mechanism of notification of CBs that includes no technical requirements and is mainly for exchange of information and so PEFC know who is operating. It was decided that chain of custody is a product certification and the process will be based on Guide 65. The market, both public and private, is the main driving force for PEFC certification. Some big companies are participating as part of social responsibility initiatives. PEFC is engaging in promotional activities in primary countries. 9.3 Telecoms QuEST Forum Ms. Shah reported there are now more than 1,650 TL 9000 certified sites worldwide, with more than 50% in Asia. In 2006, QuEST issued release 4 of its Requirements and Measurements Handbooks in multiple languages. The focus is on intended results rather than on methods. Major projects for 2007 determined based on the industry served. Upcoming QuEST Forum events are open to anyone and papers can be submitted via www.questforum.com. Dr. Thione asked for recommendations relative to the reengineering TF based on industry experience. Ms. Shah said the AB-CB sub-team was reviewing current practices and remains in a learning mode. 9.4 Food GFSI and EurepGap Mr. Dougherty reported that GFSI has an active TF looking at ISO 20000 and also auditor competence, as reported in the paper provided by Mr. Pina. 9.5 Information Security Management Systems Mr. Bennett noted that ISO 20006 27006 had been published. Two other standards, ISO 20004 on information security measurements, and ISO 27005 on information security risk management are in development.

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9.6 ITF Mr. Hallenbeck reported that comments were welcome on the paper Mr. Figueiredo had submitted (TC-21-07). The document concerns certification requirements for the organic foods sector based on Guide 65. IFOAM is involved with standards for organic foods and has been interacting with IAF for several years with an objective of becoming a member. To date IAFOAM has been ineligible for IAF membership because it has designated IAOS is the officially recognized body for IFOAM standards. The document would thus have little impact for IAF members. IAOS has filed a formal complaint against IAF for not accepting its membership and IAF has replied that as soon as it becomes an open process it could become an IAF member. The hope is that IFOAM will open its program and other ABs will be able to participate.

10. Regional Accreditation Group Liaison Reports

10.1 EA Liaison Report Mr. Mller reported that the main issue with EA is the discussion with the EU Commission regarding restructuring the EA to meet the needs of regulators. Technical work focuses on the needs of the near future and ensuring that relations with partners remain stable. Activities of the EA Certification Committee include definition of scopes with a focus on product certification; a TF on combined audits based on ISO/IEC 17021, any combination of management systems, and input to further IAF guidance; a TF on multi-site accreditation with requirements for branch offices and question of legal entities; and publication of EA 7/04 regarding the relationship between ISO 14001 MS conformity assessments and regulatory compliance. 10.2 PAC Liaison Report Ms. Brough-Kerrebyn reported that the PAC plenary will be in July in Singapore. PAC and APLAC signed an MOU in Cancn, and the PAC chair and vice chair met with their IAAC counterparts to discuss a similar MOU. PAC is also looking to closer cooperation with SADCA. There is cooperation between APEC specialist regional bodies. SAC was welcomed as a signatory for product certification in December. ISO TS 22003 training was held recently in Malaysia, and courses on ISO/IEC 17021, ISO/IEC 27006, and ISO/IEC Guide 65 will also be held. If space is available, interested parties are welcome to participate. There is a continuing project to revise and amend internal documents in conjunction with adoption of IAF/ILAC Joint A-series documents. PAC is exploring initiatives to encourage cross frontier implementation, and adopting a liaison practice of having ISO/CASCO representatives report to PAC. 10.3 IAAC Liaison Report Mr. Dougherty reported that there had been no meeting of IAAC since the Cancn meeting. At the Cancn meeting, IAAC was recognized as an official IAF region, meaning IAAC signatories are recognized as IAF MLA signatories. The IAAC EC will meet in Santiago, Chile in May, and the IAAC general assembly will meet in Canada in August. IAACs intent is not to develop additional documents but to focus on providing IAAC input to IAF TC projects.

11. Any Other Business

It was noted that the IAF Web site includes a summary of the membership of all TFs, which is updated twice a year.

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12. Meeting Conclusion and Results

12.1 Updating the IAF TC Decision Log Dr. Thione reviewed decisions made during the meeting. The TC was unable to reach consensus on a resolution about the practice of a CB accrediting to a standard that would put them in position of competition with the AB. New TFs and work groups were established as indicated below under item 12.2. IAF Strategic Initiative 6 was added to the mandate of the TF on reengineering. 12.2 Update of the Work Program The work program for the IAF TC following the meeting in San Francisco includes 24 active projects, including 12 continuing projects and 12 new projects. The TF developing guidance on ISO/IEC Guide 65 has completed its work and was terminated. Continuing projects: IAF-ILAC JWG developing guidance on the application of ISO/IEC 17011 Log of key IAF TC decisions Development of guidance on the application of ISO 14065 Development of revised guidance on the application of ISO/IEC 17024 Improve accredited certification/reengineering with addition of IAF strategic initiative 6 IEC/CAB-IAF Joint Technical Panel IAF-ILAC JWG for accreditation assessor competence Guidance on the transition to ISO/IEC 17021:2006 CBs issuing certificates of compliance to ISO/IEC 17025 or Guide 62 or 66 WG on ISO/IEC 17024 WG on PEFC WG on ISO/IEC 20000 New projects: WG on product certification accreditation WG on certification of QMS for medical devices TF on criteria for QMS scopes TF on criteria for QMS audit durations TF on criteria for EMS audit durations TF on criteria for multi-site certification and sampling TF on criteria for transfer of accredited certification TF on criteria for ASRP TF on criteria for CAAT TF on IAF strategic initiative 4 TF on IAF strategic initiative 5 TF on review of GD3, cross frontier policy 12.3 IAF TC Resolutions for the IAF General Assembly Consensus could not be reached on the resolution proposed regarding CBs issuing certificates of compliance to a standard used by ABs as a basis for accrediting CBs. There was consensus to submit a resolution for consideration by the General Assembly with regard to using the terms normative criteria and informative criteria instead of guidance. Mr.

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Dougherty and Mr. Inman will draft a resolution to put before the TC members prior to the Sydney meeting.

13. Next Meetings

13.1 19-31 October 2007 Sydney, Australia (TC 24-25 October, Wednesday-Thursday) 13.2 [Early March] 2008 Madrid, Spain 13.3 10-22 October 2008 Stockholm, Sweden 13.4 [March] 2009 India

IAF TC Meeting 26-27 March 2007 in San Francisco Attendees

Surname Arnold Balakrishnan Beer Bennett Blazik Boboige Borzek Breitzmann Brennan Brough-Kerrebyn Carmody Caruso Chen Conboy Croft Daiman Daisuke Dalrymple Dixon Dougherty Dunning Ezrakhovich Feary Fei Fung Gamach Gyani Hallenbeck Hernandez Iguchi Inman Iwamoto Jensen Kasim Kawaberi Keeling King First Name Thomas Venkataram Gnther Roger Carl Terry Norbert Kevin Mike Joan Michael Michael Jeff Connie Nigel Sugawara Hashimoto Alister Brian Randy Steve Alex Simon Yang Tommy Penny Girdhar Lane Fabian Shinichi Tim Takeo Karen Ridzwan Tetsuro Steve Bob Organization IAAR NABCB BDI IIOC SAI Global Perry Johnson DAR/TGA ANAB IAOB SCC RABQSA UL TAF Bayer ISO/TC176 JASC JASC AFAQ-AFNOR EFAC ANAB KEMA IQNET IPC CNAS HKAS IAF TC Secretary QCI ANAB EMA JAB EFAC JACB DANAK DSM JAB JAS-ANZ ANAB E-mail Address trarudd@aol.com nabcb@qcin.org guenther.beer@siemens.com roger.bennett@bsi-global.com carl.blazik@sai-global.com tboboige@pjr.com norbert.borzek@tga-gmbh.de kbreitzmann@anab.org mbrennan@ioab.org jbrough-kerrebyn@scc.ca mcarmody@rabqsa.com michael.j.carusom@us.ul.com jchen@taftw.org.tw connie.conboy.b@bayer.com nhc@isto.ch jasc@meti.go.jp hashimoto-daisuke@meti.go.jp alister.dalrymple@afaq.afnor.org b.dixon@moodyint.com rdougherty@anab.org steve.dunning@kema.com alex.ezrakhovich@sai-global.com sfeary@irca.org feiy@cnas.org.cn tfung@itc.gov.hk pgamache@anab.org sg@qcin.org lhallenb@ansi.org fhernandez@ema.org.mx siguchi@jab.or.jp tinman@efac.demon.co.uk iwamoto@jcqa.jp kje@danak.dk ridzwan@dsm.gov.my tkawaberi@jab.or.jp steve@jas-anz.com.au rking@anab.org

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Leballo Li Li Lin Liu Lorenzoni MacCurtain Makino Masri Mawatari McKiel Mikami Mller Nilsen Oh Owen Paladino Pattison Phua Poulton Prayongpetch Ramaley Rantanen Richter Romyanont Rujiratron Sall Savant Scheid-Gillespie Scicchitano Shah Shaw Smith Sukel Swift Thione Tymrak Uchida Waite Woodley Wu Xiao

Christinah Bruce Yan Feng Xiaohong Roberto Sean Chikako Khaled Shunichi Mary Toru Norbert Elva Chang-Hoon John Pat Craig Kim Chua Lee Prasong Grant Varpu Scott Ekanit Sunisa Pierre Nathalie Lori Paul Usha Phil Laura Hans Roy Lorenzo Jaroslav Haru Jeff Cynthia Jing Jianhua

SANAS TAF CNAS CNCA CNAB JACB ISO/CASCO JAB Standards Associates JQA US EPA JQA BMWA (and EA) SCC KAB IAF Secretariat SCC itSMF Internatl SAC EFAC NAC DTA FINAS ANAB NAC NAC IAAR COFRAC ANAB QSU Publishing QuEST Forum UKAS Quality Digest RvA ANSI SINCERT PEFC JACB USDA Prof. Testing CNAS IAF MLA/CNAS

christinahl@sanas.co.za phli@taftw.org.tw liy@cnas.org.cn linf@cnca.gov.cn liuxh@cnas.org.cn rl@jpn.tuv.com maccurtain@iso.org cmakino@jab.or.jp kmasri@standardsassociates.com mawatari-shunichi@jqa.jp mckiel.mary@epa.gov mikami-toru@jqa.jp norbert.mueller@bmwa.gv.at enilsen@scc.ca ancor99@kab.or.kr secretary@iaf.nu ppaladino@scc.ca craig.pattison@itsmf.org phua_kim_chua@spring.gov.sg l.poulton@moodyint.com prasong@tisi.go.th gramaley@aseptico.com varpu.rantanen@finas.fi srichter@anab.org ekanit@tisi.go.th sunisar@tisi.go.th pierre.salle@kema.com; nathalie.saveant@cofrac.fr lscheid@anab.org isoeditor@aol.com R11623@email.mot.com phil.shaw@ukas.com lsmith@qualitydigest.com hans.sukel@rva.nl rswift@ansi.org l.thione@sincert.it tech@pefc.org uchida@jtccm.or.jp jeffrey.waite@usda.gov cdwoodley@proftesting.com wuj@cnas.org.cn xiaojh@cnas.org.cn

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