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Aug 30, 2021  #1
Callmestar
C Member
I wondered what you guys think about this. Dmitry Kat's who is supposedly an epidemiologist/PHD was
recently gaining a lot of attention on twitter promoting his protocol of Niacin and Melatonin to cure Covid
and vaccine damage. He's since been banned and is now on telegram. He's kicked me out of his group as he
doesn't seem to like anyone questioning his protocol or his stance on Ivermectin (which he is completely
against). But I have seen quite a few people posting in his groups and on twitter with success stories of curing
long Covid symptoms and other health conditions.
He's advising on doses of 20mg melatonin and 1000mg niacin 2/3x a day but also encourages people to take
even higher doses of melatonin if they flush from the niacin as supposedly the flush is due to the body not
having enough Melatonin.
I am in no way promoting his stuff but am wondering if what he's saying is at all valid and he might be on to
something?
His details copied from his telegram group if anyone wants to check it out:
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/guy-claims-high-dose-melatonin-niacin-is-a-cure-all-and-also-cures-covid-long-covid-and-vaccine-d… 1/15
20/07/2022, 00:09 Guy claims high dose Melatonin & Niacin is a cure all and also cures Covid/long Covid and vaccine damage | Ray Peat Forum
ABOUT
• Created by Dmitry Kats, PhD, MPH
• Published research (during academic tenure): tinyurl.com/DKresearch
• Website: https://niacincurescovid.com/
• Telegram Group: NIATONIN
• Telegram Channel: Reversal of Vaccine Damage/C19 Testimonials
• GAB: Gab Social
• Facebook Group: Facebook Groups
INDIVIDUALIZED CONSULTATIONS
Book at: niatonin.youcanbook.me
FAQ's
• Should I take Ivermectin?
No, never
• Should I get a flush after taking Niacin?
No. If you have enough melatonin, the niacin will be completely used up. If you flush, you didn't take enough
melatonin. Take a bit more melatonin next dose.
• Is there audio/video available?
2-hour interview here:
Post not found

View: https://t.me/vaccinereversal/190
More coming soon...
Aug 30, 2021  #2
Callmestar
C Member
Thread starter
Here's his protocol:
Aug 30, 2021  #3
Callmestar
C Member
Thread starter
I started the protocol in lower doses and am working my way up, purely based on the fact I've seen so many
people posting positive results. I have to admit I've seen some improvement in my health and reduction
symptoms. My main health problems/symptoms are dehydration, dry mouth, frequent urination and
generally feeling completely depleted which I've posted about on this forum. I've used the protocol for a few
days now and have definitely noticed a reduction in urination. Placebo doesn't typically work for me so I can't
put it down to that. I've tried tons of supplements/protocols and never usually see any improvement.
Sep 2, 2021  #4
AndrewGesell
A Member
Callmestar said: 
I wondered what you guys think about this. Dmitry Kat's who is supposedly an epidemiologist/PHD was recently
gaining a lot of attention on twitter promoting his protocol of Niacin and Melatonin to cure Covid and vaccine
damage. He's since been banned and is now on telegram. He's kicked me out of his group as he doesn't seem to
like anyone questioning his protocol or his stance on Ivermectin (which he is completely against). But I have seen
quite a few people posting in his groups and on twitter with success stories of curing long Covid symptoms and
other health conditions.
He's advising on doses of 20mg melatonin and 1000mg niacin 2/3x a day but also encourages people to take
even higher doses of melatonin if they flush from the niacin as supposedly the flush is due to the body not having
enough Melatonin.
I am in no way promoting his stuff but am wondering if what he's saying is at all valid and he might be on to
something?
His details copied from his telegram group if anyone wants to check it out:
ABOUT
• Created by Dmitry Kats, PhD, MPH
• Published research (during academic tenure): tinyurl.com/DKresearch
• Website: https://niacincurescovid.com/
• Telegram Group: NIATONIN
• Telegram Channel: Reversal of Vaccine Damage/C19 Testimonials
• GAB: Gab Social
• Facebook Group: Facebook Groups
INDIVIDUALIZED CONSULTATIONS
Book at: niatonin.youcanbook.me
FAQ's
• Should I take Ivermectin?
No, never
• Should I get a flush after taking Niacin?
No. If you have enough melatonin, the niacin will be completely used up. If you flush, you didn't take enough
melatonin. Take a bit more melatonin next dose.
• Is there audio/video available?
2-hour interview here:
Post not found

View: https://t.me/vaccinereversal/190
More coming soon...
I’m healing from long covid. Lysine seems to help. Peaty diet no fasting. Red light used during my second
infection restored respiration, seems to restore respiration in general. Time has been the best factor I feel.
Seems like I experienced all the horrors of the spike protein (blood clots like you can’t imagine) and now i can
live my life and work out again normally.
I hope that protocol works
Sep 2, 2021  #5
LeeLemonoil
L Member
Is the guy explaining the alleged mechanisms of the protocol or a hypothesis?
I wasn’t aware of melatonin preventing Niacin flushes for a start
Sep 2, 2021  #6
 Callmestar Log in  
C Member
Thread starter
LeeLemonoil said: 
Is the guy explaining the alleged mechanisms of the protocol or a hypothesis?
I wasn’t aware of melatonin preventing Niacin flushes for a start
This has been my main question and I've tried to ask but face defensive responses. I'm not the most
knowledgeable in this area which doesn't help.
The doctor is very active in the telegram group if anyone wants to attempt to ask him.
Sep 3, 2021  #7
BibleBeliever
B Member
Serotonin and Melatonin Lower Progesterone – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

On Melatonin
Ray on melatonin:
Many health food stores are now selling melatonin, to induce sleep and "prevent cancer." They have
taken some information out of context, and don't realize how dangerous melatonin is. It makes the
brain sluggish, causes the sex organs to shrink, and damages immunity by shrinkingthe thymus gland.
It is the hormone of darkness and winter, and is produced in the pineal gland by any stress which
increases adrenalin. Adequate sun light suppresses the formation of melatonin.
"
In 1994 A.V. Sirotkin found that melatonin inhibits progesterone production but stimulates estrogen production,
and it’s widely recognized that melatonin generally inhibits the thyroid hormones, creating an environment in
which fertilization, implantation, and development of the embryo are not possible. This combination of high
estrogen with low progesterone and low thyroid decreases the resistance of the organism, predisposing it to
seizures and excitotoxic damage, and causing the thymus gland to atrophy. -Ray Peat, PhD
Although melatonin sometimes antagonizes serotonin in a protective way, in itself it can lower body
temperature and alertness, suppressing thyroid and progesterone. (Sirotkin, 1997) -Ray Peat, PhD"
Multiple sclerosis, protein, fats, and progesterone

Ray Peat
raypeat.com
Serotonin, melatonin, estrogen, and polyunsaturated fats all tend to lower body temperature. Since estrogen
and the unsaturated fats are cellular excitants, the actual decrease in body temperature helps to offset their
excitatory effects.
RayPeat recommends niacinamide instead of taking niacin.
Ray Peat on niacinamide inhibiting PARP enzyme. NAD+ and NADH.
Sep 3, 2021  #8
RealNeat
Member

BibleBeliever said: 
Serotonin and Melatonin Lower Progesterone – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=995J-wLnfwA
On Melatonin
I think elsewhere he says a very strong darkroast coffee (maybe 150 grams?) has about 50mg of bioavailable
niacin.
Ray on melatonin:
Many health food stores are now selling melatonin, to induce sleep and "prevent cancer." They have taken
some information out of context, and don't realize how dangerous melatonin is. It makes the brain
sluggish, causes the sex organs to shrink, and damages immunity by shrinkingthe thymus gland. It is the
hormone of darkness and winter, and is produced in the pineal gland by any stress which increases
adrenalin. Adequate sun light suppresses the formation of melatonin.
"
In 1994 A.V. Sirotkin found that melatonin inhibits progesterone production but stimulates estrogen production, and
it’s widely recognized that melatonin generally inhibits the thyroid hormones, creating an environment in which
fertilization, implantation, and development of the embryo are not possible. This combination of high estrogen with
low progesterone and low thyroid decreases the resistance of the organism, predisposing it to seizures and excitotoxic
damage, and causing the thymus gland to atrophy. -Ray Peat, PhD
Although melatonin sometimes antagonizes serotonin in a protective way, in itself it can lower body temperature
and alertness, suppressing thyroid and progesterone. (Sirotkin, 1997) -Ray Peat, PhD"
Multiple sclerosis, protein, fats, and progesterone

Ray Peat
raypeat.com
Serotonin, melatonin, estrogen, and polyunsaturated fats all tend to lower body temperature. Since estrogen and
the unsaturated fats are cellular excitants, the actual decrease in body temperature helps to offset their excitatory
effects.
RayPeat recommends niacinamide instead of taking niacin.
Ray Peat on niacinamide inhibiting PARP enzyme. NAD+ and NADH.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=995J-wLnfwA
I think elsewhere he says a very strong darkroast coffee (maybe 150 grams?) has about 50mg of bioavailable
niacin.
These statements on melatonin are taken out of context. Meaning, melatonin is a signal (go to bed, it's dark,
your night vision sucks and it's dangerous), when the signal is ignored, it's stressful. When melatonin builds
and the person can not sleep and stares at the ceiling in the dark, it's stressful.
I don't know why the thread below is labeled anti-Peat, as he's not wrong, melatonin just has a specific bodily
context and outside of that it can be harmful or more actually lead the way to inducing harm.
good info in the thread: Anti-Peat - Melatonin prevents progression/improves macular degeneration instead
of causing it, as Ray surmises
it's also important to point out that melatonin is being used mainly as an anti inflammatory and antioxidant in
this "Niatonin" protocol, no grogginess should occur if the ratio of Melatonin to Nicotinic Acid is dialed in
correctly. Peat has also mentioned that it (Mel) does both of these things and actually had nothing negative
to say when taken in physiological doses, around 1mg.
Last edited: Sep 3, 2021
Sep 3, 2021  #9
Motif
M Member
The niacin flush is a lack of melatonin?
that’s bull****, right?
Sep 3, 2021  #10
LeeLemonoil
L Member
Motif said: 
Motif said: 
Yes
Sep 3, 2021  #11
RealNeat
Member

Motif said: 
No. That's not what he is saying. It's not a deficiency of melatonin that's causing the niacin flush, it's to
oppose the flush of the supplement for this regimen. No one made the statement that people with sufficient
melatonin won't flush, especially since melatonin is a cyclical hormone.
Sep 3, 2021  #12
TurboTime
T Member
It's unfortunate that he got banned from twitter because he explained things in more detail and answered
questions there. Plus you could see the feedback and other people's experiences. That's all gone now. Having
all posts deleted on banning is bull****, I really hate TPTB. He was also learning how it all worked and refining
the protocol as he went. I guess telegram will be the place for updates now.
Sep 3, 2021  #13
Callmestar
Member
Thread starter
C
RealNeat said: 
No. That's not what he is saying. It's not a deficiency of melatonin that's causing the niacin flush, it's to oppose
the flush of the supplement for this regimen. No one made the statement that people with sufficient melatonin
won't flush, especially since melatonin is a cyclical hormone.
I'm pretty sure he does say the flush is due to a lack of melatonin. He states that having enough Melatonin in
the body is what allows the niacin to be used and therefore there is no flush when Melatonin is sufficient.
Again I'd check his telegram group to be sure though.
Sep 3, 2021  #14
Perry Staltic
Member
I don't doubt that niacin is beneficial, and maybe his protocol is really good, but Kats strikes me as an
attention seeking whack job. For several reasons: Despite there being much positive evidence from around
the world of ivermectin's benefit, he has claimed ivermectin doesn't work at all and is very dangerous, and he
has labeled its proponents as pharma shills (all of which is preposterously out of touch with reality). He claims
high dose niacin is a miracle cure without much evidence to back it up. Someone claimed he got banned for
threatening to slit someone's throat and slaughter their family, and posted a screenshot of said post. He used
to carry on extended conversations with himself on twitter, which was really pathetic and funny at the same
time. His twitter profile was plastered with about a half dozen ways to send him money. So caveat emptor.
Last edited: Sep 3, 2021
Sep 3, 2021  #15
Homo Consumericus
Member
Anecdote from my experience: taking 500mg niacin while I had covid made it very difficult to breathe
through my nostrils for quite a few hours after. Most unpleasant it was. Half an aspirin, 5 drops of methylene
blue, and a large glass of orange juice with 100mg thiamine fixed the breathing problem and allowed me to
sleep.
Also, if you're experiencing a mid-39 Celsius fever like I did for 3 nights, you may not enjoy pushing it to 40
by stacking a niacin flush on top.
Sep 3, 2021  #16
RealNeat
Member
Perry Staltic said: 
I don't doubt that niacin is beneficial, and maybe his protocol is really good, but Kats strikes me as an attention
seeking whack job. For several reasons: Despite there being much positive evidence from around the world of
ivermectin's benefit, he has claimed ivermectin doesn't work at all and is very dangerous, and he has labeled its
proponents as pharma shills (all of which is preposterously out of touch with reality). He claims high dose niacin is
a miracle cure without much evidence to back it up. Someone claimed he got banned for threatening to slit
someone's throat and slaughter their family, and posted a screenshot of said post. He used to carry on extended
conversations with himself on twitter, which was really pathetic and funny at the same time. His twitter profile was
plastered with about a half dozen ways to send him money. So caveat emptor.
I have clarified what I believe to be the protocol he is recommending to my knowledge, so it may sound like
I'm a fan or support him, but in reality I'm just trying to respresent his views accurately. but I agree with these
warnings as he gives off some weird vibes. If true what you write is concerning. However Ray has also warned
against Ivermectin.
Sep 3, 2021  #17
RealNeat
Member

Homo Consumericus said: 
Anecdote from my experience: taking 500mg niacin while I had covid made it very difficult to breathe through my
nostrils for quite a few hours after. Most unpleasant it was. Half an aspirin, 5 drops of methylene blue, and a large
glass of orange juice with 100mg thiamine fixed the breathing problem and allowed me to sleep.
Also, if you're experiencing a mid-39 Celsius fever like I did for 3 nights, you may not enjoy pushing it to 40 by
stacking a niacin flush on top.
How do you think you "caught" it?
Sep 3, 2021  #18
Homo Consumericus
Member
RealNeat said: 
How do you think you "caught" it?
I considered starting a thread about it, but didn't know if there would have been enough material to discuss.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/guy-claims-high-dose-melatonin-niacin-is-a-cure-all-and-also-cures-covid-long-covid-and-vaccine-… 10/15
I want everyone on the RPF to know: I have no way of ascertaining if I had covid or not. My PCR positive test
result in France and my PCR positive test in the Netherlands were both potentially indicative. Of course we
know it could have been Influenza A or B or whateverthefucc. As we know, PCR tests are about as accurate as
a broken clock, but our governments consider me to have been a covid patient, so I'm discussing, in this
context, as if I agree with the status quo.
How did I catch it? Okae.. total broscience moment: I caught it from my gf's family (imho). They all got the
Pfizer stabs, so they are all spike protein producing factories. 2+2=4. I've been trying to catch the 'Rona for
1.5 years (I hug and kiss the fucc out of everyboody, if they are like minded of course) and I catch it while
living in an Airbnb castle in the south of France for just 8 days??? Without ever leaving the general property?
Give me a break. But I can't prove it. Plus my rapid antigen test before leaving the Netherlands (8 days earlier)
was negative.
But if not my extended family, perhaps a French gas station supermarket entity infected me. We stopped at 5
on the way from NL to FR.
If anyone wants to know details about recovery, supplementation, timeline (two-three weeks ago, but happy
to share more), please just post a comment. I'm happy to talk. My girlfriend's experience will impress even
more
Summary: Covid is a variant of the flu (even if they gain-of-functioned it, humans suck at "enhancing"
biology). You will experience fever for a few days and maybe 1) cough, 2) stuffy nose, 3) poor circulation
(subjective), 4) "fatigue" (chicks, not so much dudes, lol).
Feel free to ask me questions. And let me know if it's better for us to start a new thread.
Sep 3, 2021  #19
androgenmax
New Member
is this helpful for preventing any vaccine damage too?
Sep 3, 2021  #20
Callmestar
C Member
Thread starter
Homo Consumericus said: 
I considered starting a thread about it, but didn't know if there would have been enough material to discuss.
I want everyone on the RPF to know: I have no way of ascertaining if I had covid or not. My PCR positive test
result in France and my PCR positive test in the Netherlands were both potentially indicative. Of course we know
it could have been Influenza A or B or whateverthefucc. As we know, PCR tests are about as accurate as a broken
clock, but our governments consider me to have been a covid patient, so I'm discussing, in this context, as if I
agree with the status quo.
How did I catch it? Okae.. total broscience moment: I caught it from my gf's family (imho). They all got the Pfizer
stabs, so they are all spike protein producing factories. 2+2=4. I've been trying to catch the 'Rona for 1.5 years (I
hug and kiss the fucc out of everyboody, if they are like minded of course) and I catch it while living in an Airbnb
castle in the south of France for just 8 days??? Without ever leaving the general property? Give me a break. But I
can't prove it. Plus my rapid antigen test before leaving the Netherlands (8 days earlier) was negative.
But if not my extended family, perhaps a French gas station supermarket entity infected me. We stopped at 5 on
the way from NL to FR.
If anyone wants to know details about recovery, supplementation, timeline (two-three weeks ago, but happy to
share more), please just post a comment. I'm happy to talk. My girlfriend's experience will impress even more
Summary: Covid is a variant of the flu (even if they gain-of-functioned it, humans suck at "enhancing" biology).
You will experience fever for a few days and maybe 1) cough, 2) stuffy nose, 3) poor circulation (subjective), 4)
"fatigue" (chicks, not so much dudes, lol).
Feel free to ask me questions. And let me know if it's better for us to start a new thread.
I had Covid last week. I hadn't really had any close contact with any body in weeks, the closest I got to people
was in the supermarket. I live alone and work from home.
I had to go into work for a meeting on the Thursday so was around 5 or so work colleagues who I know are
all Vaccinated. Coincidence or not, the next day I felt off, then the day after developed typical Covid
symptoms and tested positive....
I also got a cold/virus the one and only previous occasion I was around these same people about 2 months
earlier. Although that time it wasn't Covid (according to the test).
Coincidence, I'm not so sure.
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20/07/2022, 00:09 Guy claims high dose Melatonin & Niacin is a cure all and also cures Covid/long

ovid/long Covid and vaccine damage | Ray Peat Forum

Aug 30, 2021  #1

• Created by Dmitry Kats, PhD, MPH

• Published research (during academic tenure): tinyurl.com/DKresearch

• Telegram Group: NIATONIN

• Telegram Channel: Reversal of Vaccine Damage/C19 Testimonials

• GAB: Gab Social

• Facebook Group: Facebook Groups

Book at: niatonin.youcanbook.me

• Should I take Ivermectin?

• Should I get a flush after taking Niacin?

• Is there audio/video available?

2-hour interview here:

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More coming soon...

Aug 30, 2021  #2

Here's his protocol:

Aug 30, 2021  #3

• Created by Dmitry Kats, PhD, MPH

• Published research (during academic tenure): tinyurl.com/DKresearch

• Telegram Group: NIATONIN

• Telegram Channel: Reversal of Vaccine Damage/C19 Testimonials

• GAB: Gab Social

• Facebook Group: Facebook Groups

Book at: niatonin.youcanbook.me

• Should I take Ivermectin?

• Should I get a flush after taking Niacin?

• Is there audio/video available?

2-hour interview here:

Post not found

More coming soon...

I hope that protocol works

Is the guy explaining the alleged mechanisms of the protocol or a hypothesis?

I wasn’t aware of melatonin preventing Niacin flushes for a start

Is the guy explaining the alleged mechanisms of the protocol or a hypothesis?

I wasn’t aware of melatonin preventing Niacin flushes for a start

Serotonin and Melatonin Lower Progesterone – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

Multiple sclerosis, protein, fats, and progesterone

RayPeat recommends niacinamide instead of taking niacin.

Ray Peat on niacinamide inhibiting PARP enzyme. NAD+ and NADH.

Serotonin and Melatonin Lower Progesterone – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

Multiple sclerosis, protein, fats, and progesterone

RayPeat recommends niacinamide instead of taking niacin.

Ray Peat on niacinamide inhibiting PARP enzyme. NAD+ and NADH.

The niacin flush is a lack of melatonin?

that’s bull****, right?

Sep 3, 2021  #10

The niacin flush is a lack of melatonin?

that’s bull****, right?

The niacin flush is a lack of melatonin?

that’s bull****, right?

Sep 3, 2021  #11

The niacin flush is a lack of melatonin?

that’s bull****, right?

Sep 3, 2021  #12

Sep 3, 2021  #13

Again I'd check his telegram group to be sure though.

Sep 3, 2021  #14

Sep 3, 2021  #15

Sep 3, 2021  #16

Perry Staltic said: 

Sep 3, 2021  #17