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    int Ely of Opry ae PORTLAND, ONFGON, FUNDAY, SEPT recdom. “vue ree at ay ror bees eet ‘Communtat Contentions, © that [filed to make my positon i Use never articles whieh f The Firebrand, bu ts pothaps to convey tho ect impreon nin of oubers without going ito greater deta than woul be posible in vont Sting tthe colunine of aural woe apace is wo ‘ss that of Tho Fircrand, All that caw batted ia lily sbeurate pretation of Tae ion T Wil la down fw fenton. {al statenonts of my postion, which will probably 28d you to place me propery fn the ature doa ‘lay enable you to test the log of any the T—Tam am Anarchist, wih all that he tem Insti” Tutery cepadiate the late government, stathoriy ofall dovcrptionwhioh amauates rom {he bursa will; and Tho myel eabjet to the Aitats only of my ot roaon and of demonstra '2-—ueauee Lam an Anarchist, am a Com unit with al thatthe toms impli fn the ana ‘Shite see. T hold that onky in the commanintic Is evo Aparehy posible of atainment; a {ile lave rachel Conmaniam we have not yet nestle. Like yourull, can admit of no com ‘romive betwee the iden of w-clled Ladviduaiet- aichinm and tel Anarohist-Commain that sof cour, comsiering the Individual ies int te from in which fi at present bl | preceatod—as an utente theory. The ode | satin (ovaled) are not trae Anarohit.” Thy sre merely the plonens of Auarey. ‘They are mplyblaving tho way to Aarchy. “hey rela the | Mie of property ry of win endeavor, Tho untenable tel 7 icp tren cae I nally become patent to the verieds- 9) [Stearns pone 4 Steen re, hp ery.” There oan be no sueb thing as property. in” Sais f ancy Conte shan eae ea “puclnamniy oes anaes aseinead od ete pare Teer hoot srs fdaievbet opty. fahren ‘ah an tn pene ee besa ‘ihe iuegtton Sed ea fe Seeiten loys erat ot meee Ni Spuetba git at cee fread omer ot pag tno iopetoatelopeain gata ines tna cal al gaan ccna op a fee eo ‘alee vie man ee aha | Sather stanes aoe yee en |euer i ela cate (crmncee nig eae ec nate ts kno tna eh ices bly else aaa |stats es lta see ae ori oil oc he eteae ate opin alssdhcan ur poipeeeyeis lp nabey, ove ‘ot proprty, ii elly al hore into the right of property, andi rqsier the whole power ofthe ate for ie maintenant, From property and to limits ised in the atompt to role tiple igh [springs frst, value; ad, next, competition, ae a thes of ating sch Flo fn the averal eng ee—reot,intcet, proitin whilt appaaes: Whenever the right of propery a not exerial, at ‘wtmoon tho sveral thomber of «sila family oe (Tontanco, there ig never a thovght of vale, and ‘competition in the economic wens newer akon ite Appesrance.”"Mhese two msoiotations, which sre ‘ot separate mailetations of Ue ae fore, peo ‘erty, the abwence of property cant appear. ‘They are incongruous aad abvard they short anthinkable ia aach sconnesti male lay, Richie end « hak | Sfotheracentiasatoat the uals of patanal ‘an xing to hn el extnt of hl pl Spm foreojpmenty aod om sch owed asda By he right of property abla, re ER SINTERS {olte and poseasion meant absolute, un~ foreach individ ys attompt Lo qualify iin vome may, to degrees, or et Bonn to 1eby introducing ‘Gee word “equals” to say that men shal have ual “bot notabscite Uierty, to ay that euch ma thal be ented by dhe equa! iterty of every —ohhor ma, in merely & nonsensical play upon Iworde; 1 weans nothiog forther than that, the (Perans using theao valfying phrases have not yet reve at true conoeption of liberty—they arenot| (Jot Anarchist, There can bo no wach thing a8 Fimited or qualied liberty in the wense in which the ideale presented, that i, inthe monte Ut tis fnpabic of being mesaared by the Homan intellect, (rf having its boundaries dotined by w consensur ‘human opinion, The Tite to liberty have teen fntaliaed by nate. They exit in the nate of hinga, Such limila are not restsicions; they do fot pros upon on and are felt wo more than are ‘uber natura facta with whieh men are wurrounded find to whieh thei ives sus confor, because hey fie sot atthe extproe boundary ofeach ooe's apt {dos and eapacity, at point where iis simply Fmpossible for hin to go farther along the line of Haunts aed aepications.‘Tholigit to liberty Te fn th conatitutio ofeach individual by himself ‘When man bas exprled hisuse and possession to the edtrems limit pt bis needs, ap eapaities for ‘Fbiatjing tem, ie bas reached the Tien of hi Ib ‘Sty, and cannot go beyond that point without ‘reueing on the ret and wo the ety, of other fen To enable fm to get beyond bis initations Mid 20 permit hich to tench upou the erty of ‘Tees, re mua lain and exercise right of proper «fp the right of property is the only thing tha makes ‘a bigger than pare intended he should be, aad aovlves im the power of invasion which the indi- ‘dala tak about 99 much. When there is no Tight of proparty, but only aright of axe and pos ‘Pabion, euch wat mst Keop within tho limits of as itare‘and there can be no such thing as 2 contict/ of liberty. At thls pot 1 may asert ha’, Lamm a thor cough, uncompromising advidalst in the ease ta ‘Ghleh we are all individualist, thats in he only (Ti in who he tem has any real meaning ‘Minty, Thott to be he ight ofeach individual {oraae and pooeba natural opportunities to the fll Tot of bio cnpacty for using untrammelled and ‘Mithout question or interference by any other indl- ual ater, Th cnn comet is ‘eatin canon be tampered with in any manner; he is he own sovereign. a On th asia we may take aceount of socal vvedin on teins of men, and don the form ‘t eaocation Which the etiataetion of thelr idl ‘dnt needa Mee to ead them to assume. Re~ “ndubering thet property no longer exis, and that, ‘withthe ofits forms of manifestation ‘Wee is abmlutely no further motive to wypport in (dutrnt co petition competion Is always an ef Grito reatae some formof property right, and wit atthe right the eort ol not te and renee fg Unt it a ataral for men to take the eases oe the slistation of thelr deses, thon tt © fe perecty rational to assume that men wit adopt _bigh forme of econo aaocaton as will most _“eaily iil fiectuallyconduce to tho satisfaction of| Hditdual wants, ‘TR vast eeonomles and icant ena are posite tobe enjoyed by te 4 ‘ough asocated etort and division of ‘vill be univecaly desired. And as, bacanse _ bf the alaenco of propery, these cannont be eajoyed Sy inirdl i ek ue form, bat ny in | Maton fr, he she ftom Wil aa | YGF beth nett oat tran he uve Aa ins cere nanobio iedoptaby 2S Tanne comivecommeninn tbe | Sotipaform ot eon tvetaton, fey en- ‘mtroducing a Dalanoe of tapacties and aptitudes for labor, td allowing even ti highest eapaclies torealize etter inaction and tore aele com: postion of wauts than would tn otberwive posible ‘Abthin point it booomes the Tzical, the only por Be ulate form of anarchist association. T. springs lot Leng naturall'andspootancotsly ox the abolition of Ue state, property, and all hat the tera impli, ad wo te regtaltion of ful, unee= silted and complet naval bets. Free com Petition It impossible, lecanse competition always plies a property Dai, Infact, only an effort to realae property right an prope isthe negation fottreedom, You wil then wondst at my use of the erga in No.24 of The Fizebrand. When {sad that T too the term from an Anarehist standpoint, 1 frould have been more cores, ad fs able to Disapprebsion, i bad sald rom the Inivid false Anarchist standpoint; Ghat was what T meant oway. My effort wasto Indicate a tine oF uoght along ine evolutionary hypothesis which would tend to mow the uijenablene ofthe Tedividulist pos tion.” Concedig, thus, the theoretical ownduess of {hts iain contention Ie ls poenble te show, by a logical application of thesis which they accept themselves as sound, that Ue development of thet eebete mast be to land thom ato moaopol, the complement, or oer side of tei initial fore, be use neither competition por monopoly can exist rthout the existenes of both together: and monop~ ey of eure x only the manifestation of peop ery, or pivlge, With thir competition they may estoy the presentapitallat oopoty, bit oaly fstablsh wat might be termed Avarchist Monopo!y and that, ofcourse sa contraction in terns, "he soundaes of my postion was vttoally on ceded by Fulton, ia ptsoual Teter wich Thad from him some tine ago, the following extract from whl T quote: “Scoupttion wil Ye out of place in Anarchy, a8 the competitors would only rain homselves. But ther would be the possibilty of competition ia fre to destroy the possbility of monopoly in any Tne: o if 8 monopoly or ove sysom should grow out of an function, ole te posit of cometi- on goat it frm becoming exorbitant in its charges iE ‘As monopoly fs aot potibe without property, the avove quotation is oqavalent to amision thatthe ovate Individuals Anarchists are not Anarelats fatal. Of eauas i posible to kill monopoly by competition, jut aa its possble to kill competition toy mouopoly, but bot term ip aight of pro perty wt is inconaisteat with the fundamental Principles of Anarchy. Under true Avarly there ould arse neither posiiity, andthe admission of ch posfilty few virial vartender of the whole Janartiati contention. The dividuals, then, a> fara ey retain this property form, ar wot Anar- fehiste. ‘he tvuble withthe Indviduahsts i, tele potion of Communism is antiquated. ‘They be ot improved a bair' breadth on Proudon's these, {ana his esis i ewsentially unaound. The Cou aura which be ondemabed and whieh he laced atthe oppodte pole from property, saying tat prop ty nthe robber ofthe weak fr the benedt ofthe stcong while Communism Is the robbery ofthe strong forthe heuet ofthe weak, was naught but Fourer im and St Simonism, Thi isthe sort of Common lam he erties, and he nowhere gives evidenes of uaviog any conception of any othersort of Commun fam. Thattempting to establish a correct principle fo the aksumed eqibiam ofthe peiciples whieh be placed a epponton to eachother, be made a Tnmentabe heetrpote of oand philosophy and octal selene, which be denowinated Anarchy, and i followers to ts day have copied is erzors relate (ruths. “hey bave not advanced an ine Teoning the coretaes of his line of reasoning, ‘Sout that the tow nial rine to be found tween the te principles nih he condtnns thea that mile principe can be mat le tha Fee ‘Communion which wis one of the el either of property oF eotboritalan com Solar asthe eflot tha Tndivideints to destroy ay the tations of property rg, sach as prof interest, oe, consersel, by mene of wt Booking, ator exchange and eo ike asses, 1 have hem, and frely Goncede that hy are theoretically wound, and an fare they goa ort ot nd, -And Ihave no bjetion to taka pat them, ‘tan an Anarchi 1 Jona fel Dando do 30, ed thon they are preeated nthe gui of linate a> te tt ebjet to thee tally vex in the Wey of he labor nove hin iy hava Aarti wads sucha von petion ech enant a sonederate eogon 2 tha matey Jobe Tarr. Sox oe newepers reel tim, tens witha tence dae tone (tint lugar eters, il the bes rene from menting tena tl raliig probly that he "Sebo rand th strains wonrteorng et cal St snk arom ret Asachy or Aaah wil tho and discontented, i in hes “ogy witht threo higher than ever owe th ator the eldea inbaitent Sohn Parsee acon wn atte ocala Sani aurea, bh is nde fruying especialy co oth ator Chur’, which Betcha of orc wile Chis. his ar a tn anomaly anonet Char. So tera y at icin chorchwitheat «Go, » le oa ope, ts the motto’ ho rater of ana tho aay aber, ang cing he ay a rom tl who earth ining oe poeta focare toca rode Cea Tn fat in & Mewting Mase othe pati by fit sci eon nd inal pobims, rm the ‘Minin a wotingnan be Tarcr spoke tice eto this oly subjects Beto “Char and State i enemin fhe pean vation ad The flog Te allman packed aimot owes oe fet cco “Turocr pe ony fxr times daring the goon ite marin iy, baer seg ep to Hae, ‘Wy to spa ite th ae tat on "ho than tal sypatary,epecly the Chien fo coat, anf the falling onan for fn tonal wept Brower sod Saters Unio, Dirgle Workers Union No Garman Typo Union ion No er Bare Coopers nie, Bers Heeative Boar, Saal Workers Union Novi; German inating Cah, Torer sake hele {ho loning ble, fr one Noo of mre on 8 wether proiomytingecied wih re ecublatentne so jeteea. His been aed Ep everl aio to agua urs them when He “Tue Catal Litr Uae, Te Tabor Congres, tuldng Tree Covel, Atalgate Shet Metal Workers, store and tone Sass Union, Wor trortrs Cason No.6 Jonreymen Tore No.5, Tce ecm Uri Not Carpenters Unions Nn. td 1, Seta Tere Union 6 an stand toe aie wing th Pople Pas, Tho Tint Hoo Soi Btoment Grp, the Chiao {Commons and The Sel Cstae Sotaty Te a ke tore a Demlalnny ea tothe mold” lage a few mies out of Chango, Latoe orth nga Tre clb ou dnrchiCommsav war wf the vt ediping tjopble meting ef the erie ‘Krust cowhing fo ar a alg taser cones pub tt ebad earned someting, ad that (a denied Sour, Providnce oriin’ that a thee sng ite thos be eee on athe tae tor nit a hee, asthe Clea Choi naid taste tggot crowd the snl tx la hat en {Leite vaunin many moons ‘We ied oar saat onde he pita eoiaists tcme oto tnt shainand debate wits Tarr, tering opy sl expense and varanre ai et fants Chneoge efeced i prnmestary nod cour {eos lnguags ree fnt wal th onder the col of plican andere econo retaatin- fsa '"Ramy® fod th sazamor fn al Aros ony sh a be tops hiking wen rare the word nrc ffse a eter he ea, {hong the move wae aba, ane erty waned sarin bette rad el tsa eprenctatvs tr Sue pga of oto arent longs es: m: Fovence ell hn pot eodte Kar Mare scat Toantate, song sb Da Delain» ed ie “St + iar, which be acepad in the epi in which it waa] given. Pal Ehrman, the right bower Morgan an Satin) ofthe ical LP whose wort inasy tl declined without thanks.” Win Bester nator ean tthe 81. Pm in town, bt bene ecined Yo date, ‘Tosh the courery a the alling aen Coad ‘arate grated the rivilpg of wxng tei al orn ‘Sedat betmeen John Torn aid John Wh igh pia nd ders of the cal "nthe alear palane of ‘Tirper “dda doa thing to Whiter and to edge ‘tom the expressions of many rest White oe ‘winltcwo briliany atom ltr xcs Rea {ng thi, as proabiy th rasan when sopag sta unniog oa of argument, be wrapped hima pie tbe Stare and Stipes, and Siebel inc wttwind ‘word, denonncing Trot for advoratngresaton ‘25d dincontent, alla elation wan inet {bt eranring the fat tat he waa helen osen| ‘be laut forth wil his harang teach the pane see, saldusesanadcters who sympatined Sak od at down ama applaie fo thn gly, ‘eply to or courteons and fay hv ‘mate meting mas hl by the palieal Scala As ‘ertnameate yee pat othe papers, at pa ase fon, fr seved or eight day, ig Tare fr by word, bat of the fossbitin of anarchists act on hil hg preeat gener seanomie eoaions eontinn, Suen action, of ear, cannot be caried 50 fa Lo atthe Stata aide utogeter at once hough we ight com nearer to tht thin some ot us think; but i we mast beg by seting ade pat, of the la is cetaaly wath while toes if we |aavee as to what laws ace the sroughld of gov ments power against have no pas of campaign; am tying to get a clear idea ofthe conditions wader whlch we have to Baht, aod tose whether ethers agree with me 1 o uot kaow, or instance, wheter wil be reac | cally taiportant to anow whether the ation of sae goverment oar most dangtour epi, | we should want to sow that, the guostian neve) ised would be helpful. started ity the Mea that the enomle oppression enme mostly fom he nied States other oppreaion fom the, tnd States: but in waking oat yt of eon nota oporessions { concludad that State and Maton wer Petty evenly balan In tha regard -Auother important qieston Is wht pgtca pats of of goreramest do most to maintain the Public fling that goveraueat is necenary. Seems to me tat the money question has «dip fograh of «ner ot the worl bison iscraatihnmee In tia replat oc of bt you ca ne sort rate at ‘the ay epee What iu Absolute Liberty:? ¥ 0x oot rudy to condemn te ringplen of Anarchy longa don't lly underatand tam. am tbe the great ent snd fora beter ad higher Tondastand tat ot advocate “abacat iberty™ sod tiberty of opportunity.” Now tia, por my stiey to meng rom wih to ge hse ho Sault and joe, reqel bua rightasroee purely mora standpoint ea be anata, or how human ie cite protected rom ernial thot a ceria cole of il ams, whic, ofcourse, cannot soaraioe abot bury t any Indie wtoat Tadhg him an attorat over ther. "every porn cold bo taht to arty bears the pinion ot Sorlity, odo righ I, todo to thers ax me would have tes do tou, and ot dot tere al ics re woalt aot have them do oon, ant every son ould be isned to do w-slntrily paused fo to She we could al enjoy alacaaly liber, re, we, uid enor al thelr we dai, Wak ooo ane evry paren rights ea Iery pw sna as pat ows and hang no desire for any iby tha wel afore, bare aterere with ti pope hte and beri of cers, wo might then ai "bese be sty” oF iverty of opportunity. Bat wien i ay come? Are thes the piotpo tha the sly at Anarchinie advocate Iso, than iia grand, bot st racial, ert forall nts, Now fr example, hoe fo vdae property ox cept thoes we wear anal are one tit ‘oy med; it may be cai ha her wld bs esi for robbing or wealng and thas wip ot the ie of wean, but what prevent edbans ot sone kind through whisk one ee Gay or ety) "any kill wither pomon, what iw be doe wl a? at bingo alas, with abst ity, ohare? ‘Wily kindy ealighen me on thee potnta? ow wil you dea with vista einen? Portionateintoence in tat dreton, cause tte | raenpeead conviction that monty Is of supra ln portance ad that he govecament stamps wnt kes money. orth rewon think we co har hy set thigh a value an Labor Excnge soganic soo, which sets mento furnahing tel owe money without looking to the goverment, ad thera ge tng beter quality nt money than the goverment furnishes, tn iy judgeaeat no Anarciat peat eal and up to dato sles he Is posted oa the Laas xchange: abil the best way 1 koow for geting Posted iso tae the “ow Chart” 1h. Sen Fernando St, San Jou, Cal, whieh ie S04 jour or tire monte onal forte et mo aay i conctison thst thio the lg ate telerel to, containing) Instancos of successful disregard of government aad saggetins of deste thing that might bn dons, in What tine, i ag to bet for practic! value ing sual space, Thope ay uae who ean givesiajnors ofthe aime sort wil doen. Ss. TBeincto “Another Victim, ras Bien, the rgpcker pet, ino mor, Readers wil emeatber the noe is umber Saying hat Coma Hie had stared on a propagnads toe othe ety without soney or eanoporaisn Tha ‘asada atempe proved bis en At ck Spring, Wyo, ng 21 in conmonsones at is having me teey soi his tem to goth wal van o isto the cut the aloud company which hae bed eh {nd his ike to the extent sllon, be mp entra ofthe tan mul in motion bya baka, andi his ates to comply be fl, wa xt bythe we sod bane. Ths ended thee ofa man to amos happiness was a steangerani whose pluses were ow and asap, He wet a German Jw abuat 32 year ol, ttn lowed the calling of fokinan fe wan one to be anpected of «synyahatc or ter mates, orf ality to expren bi innnt evant Inoawage othe pot. ath contains to The Finbar valssen forte wth nate td tive train hidden under ao raged a ota lo Tat he wan mnie, he falowng srs om ie panel ont Sect td ealty mete to al se Sa ‘peter ae Wis Baca Bay Bake icnclen ant leaps De Leo ete Shares mano Tne she fie soph ne penny wu gee er. "ears ed i Ba Se teil th capiinTorer tae get Fors and he Soros Fern tata Sea oe ten impr ty Gomer rte arte ‘thingie trie ont otra a {eatin om aon teses Theron | Iti itt ot cn ea se ‘chenlnar he mane tow cant oath ‘enforce oa ee stig Tarra wei ange See eat mam tng rel peso the de- tate of Trmr or Oa weed Folin Socata o pve htt asta re ‘atin aed other {Serie fal wn ara eng Seana gute! wh te enna sane ana Asko er mao open an tinal he vt ofr nae en a tas of ann ta owe we veo inne nome ae) eon coe contr Mery Mr. Byington Agreon. onan 0 wint Commie Aidsoayary cow. seating on my alin The Meteo Oat he sug nt a prety eon on ie awit well” I w:lterey iit te tind the econo de tino tp at Treat y saying ide tenga ak aecrotitelines was ti wu sarae inet inva vesting bons wo tal ary ae tira ite oie mit tna ae ea Tue ga i fal eg sticion Ie er sphere would porary ts Oe St retitins on anny xe oy {forthe hai mt cng fora ae Uist aco roa Well ote ded fin it itn tinier Wo tos a Sie fu nwo i somsaiees ‘Tagree also to Comrade Morris? words, “It seems totmethat to mow Aoucht propane Aion of spi avs te ua as the dae of ning vat atthe al nae fhion «=. Govetnats te eg nef ae trl soaps rete at ees post haps Conray ors wil repeat a etten or anybody se ay anyhing Wat a Shdeiod as kop ing the tay eles saan tigiy ingore! fan mice oe tenet to forgot wha a as was be "eka » scm na fo ples ein A.D. Dace 1 wo lok upon te “qreatont bene a6. marly attr ofthe posesion of wealthy ten Che "peste et ened to the greatantaumbec™ might mua to sujet poverty of ibe amar umber, "There is no smmbianoe of use tn the proplaltoa, therefore. ‘Wo must deay at once the ight ofthe maj fo rue, becanae tere io email deren be tween the “seas Dealt to graiet mums and the “geatet good tothe king” I hamaa Fights at hey exit withthe lady, notin the aan. ight doesnot res upon opto, but upon exe ence. ‘That is to aay, my right to the bene of natural oppertanti dows act dapend spony b= og ofthe maorty's opinion, and he ruerslp of he majority sno less the ight of might thal the ralerhip of te eaporens = ‘Auarchiay, thes, snot « movement for the gaa: test good ofthe greatest nus, butte gral ood fora, with the opportunity foreach to eboove or hme what is aod what ot good. ua o€ opportunity i absolut berty, To, sake one the autora oer ethers ot og absolute bri, but contering the power of ‘subjugation, One term isthe oppo o¢ the othe. ‘Ove principle cannot be attained bythe prntce of the ote. Ad for hi earth a burst soe a ‘And hall we conta tat twas leona? ‘efor aarting os hilt jae, car omrade et it rat only forthe parpove ut pholdig& ar “tam ot exploitation. Tn the absence of exploitation "here can b¢ 0 need of “oral precepts.” A thor- ‘ough grounding of the ide of bers In the mid ‘iluproot the lst vestige of the "moral cove.” | ‘But to fully grasp the subject one must under stand something of human motive andthe causes of ‘hose acs whlch are called crimes. Ts necessary ‘to know that deft i the result of monopoly, the ‘property system; 20 called sexual crimes and abuses fre the rent of improper sex relations, based on ‘the property dea; and murder is undoubtedly an outgrowth of property in wealth and our sex rela ‘lone. Now, when wo sdertand thst property ean fooly exist ander some form of government, we aro ‘hatair way to solve tho cciminal problem. ‘Tae subject, however, is too vast fr any ting but tis lmao olin in angle article, and a clear under- tiuding can only be guined by 8 thorough study: ‘ati te gene grand it certamly Is worthy of ‘careful snd, and 1 Tosomand to friend Beck acon fined redding of The Firebrand and other Anarch {atiltertare, If reac core ctin our dnalais of the caueesofsrcalled erime, we undoabted\y have atedter remedy Usan “morality,” heavens and bells, tallows and prison a Louiag Michel Coming. ‘We take pleas in announcing hatin the interxt ‘ot propaga ye aye eon abo to induce our fearless Shiro, Lovie Michel, to make stip through North ‘Tmerca sho consent the sre ready av ae think ow more than ever propaganda it needed, since the cthortraninn sown by the fterationaleongrs ‘She wil be sccompaniod by ber nmeparable rend, ‘Charlee Vavyll, who i necesery to heron toon Tice Advanced age andthe care sho mont ave daring ‘he fong, oars eee that our comrade's tour be well avert, {in order make her propaganda ax eetive tx poi mp slet donations af money to delay the oeans in ur poteaion ar ver Ui [ea Donations should be addrned to Pietro Gori | ia High St Ilngton N. London, Eogland. Merron ‘Ae anould bo wade at onc, ante departure is expec

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