Justin J.

Pearson: David, it is so wonderful and fantastic to be here with you. I admire your leadership in
the UK and across the globe for the work that you do, and so many folks in this room are being inspired
by you consistently. When you think about leadership in this movement for climate justice, how would
you characterize it at this time?
00:17
David Lammy: So look, I look at this through the lens of foreign policy. We are in a tough geopolitical
moment. We've got the United States, obviously as the world's superpower, but China rivaling now the
United States. We've got the emergence of these middle states like UAE, where the next COP will
be, India and others. And at this moment, there is a degree of short-termism, particularly as populism
enters politics in northern Europe, in the United States and other places. There is, I think, also a degree of
underestimating our populations and social media and other is driving that. And so I guess there is a
tendency to focus too much on small things and not the big things that bring us together as we challenge
the politics that divides us and doesn't bring us together.
01:27
JJP: Yeah. You know, when I think about this movement and politics, it matters so much to how we
act and what happens in our lives consistently. So I really appreciate that.
01:39
DL: Thank you. And tell us about your journey in climate and leadership.
01:43
JJP: Well, my journey started in Memphis, Tennessee, the greatest place on Earth.