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September 24, 2018 at 9:07 am REPLY #219238
AKB 2000012: How To Neutralize Telemetry and Sustain Windows 7 and 8.1 Monthly Rollup Model
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7/6/2020 Topic: 2000012: Neutralize Telemetry & Sustain Win 7, 8.1 Monthly Rollup Model @ AskWoody
by @abbodi86
Published September 24, 2018 | rev 1.0
# Background #
abbodi86
Microsoft had backported two main parts of Windows 10 Telemetry system to Windows 7 and 8.1
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1) Unified Telemetry Client
– introduced in updates KB3068708/KB3080149, and became part of the Monthly Rollup since October 2016
preview rollup
– represented by the Diagnostics Tracking Service (DiagTrack) and the event trace session (AutoLogger-
Diagtrack-Listener)
– handle the diagnosis tracking and logging, and the online telemetry reporting endpoints
2) Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser
– introduced in KB2952664/KB2976978, and now become part of the Monthly Rollup staring September 2018
preview rollup
– represented by the “Application Experience” schedule tasks (Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser,

ProgramDataUpdater, AitAgent)
– the actual telemetry controller and runner, handles the compatibility evaluation and collecting, and device
inventory
# Neutralization #
Despite the infamous reputation and some exaggeration, these Telemetry components in Windows 7/8.1 updates
are not deeply implemented into OS and can be easily disabled or eliminated
this can be done officially with few manual steps, or a simple batch script (with exra little-aggressive setings)
1) W10Tel.cmd
– copy or download the contents from this paste bin, and save as .cmd file
https://pastebin.com/zeJFe08G
– execute it after installing the Monthly Rollup and rebooting

you only need to run it once, and to be safe, once after each new rollup installation
– you can also use Task Scheduler to run the script with each system startup, e.g.
copy the script to C:\Windows directory
open command prompt as administrator, and execute:
SCHTASKS /Create /F /RU "SYSTEM" /RL HIGHEST /SC ONSTART /TN W10Telemetry /TR
"cmd /c %windir%\W10Tel.cmd"
2) Manual:
the demonstration is done on Windows 7, same steps applies for Windows 8.1 too
– DiagTrack service
open Services from Task Manager

or from Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services
find Diagnostics Tracking Service, right-click and select Properties

change Startup type to Disabled, then click on Stop button
– WMI AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener
right-click on Computer icon and select Manage (This PC in Windows 8.1)

or from Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Computer Management
expand to the node Performance > Data Collector Sets
from Event Trace Sessions, right-click on AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener or Diagtrack-Listener and Stop it

(you may also delete it afterwards)
from Startup Event Trace Sessions, right-click on AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener and select Properties, then
clear Enabled check from Trace Session tab (you may also delete it afterwards)
you can also disable AITEventLog and SQMLogger too (those are already exist in the system, not added by
updates)
– Compatibility Appraiser tasks
launch Task Scheduler from Start Menu

or from Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Task Scheduler
goto Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft > Windows > Application Experience
disable all tasks (you may also delete them too)
do the same with tasks in Customer Experience Improvement Program
# Closure #
Deleting schedule tasks or WMI logger is totally safe, and just to avoid being re-enabled unexpectedly
they don’t affect the OS functions in any way
Except the show stopper bugs and errors, Monthly Rollup does not need to be avoided for the sake of telemetry
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September 24, 2018 at 1:12 pm REPLY #219315
Thank you @abbodi86 , for collecting these ideas together at the top of a new topic. I think this option fits my
needs better than group hopping. My needs may be different than others. It is good to have alternative methods
described so well.
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Lori, jburk07, HiFlyer, Microfix, Pepsiboy
Egads this is too advanced for the likes of me. I’ll just have to consider going back to Group B or just accept the
tracking. Rats!
OldBiddy
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@abbodi86, Nice post! NEEDS TO BE AN AKB

I have a couple of questions..
1. Regarding switches: /d 1 /f do these switches signify:
/d=decimal 1=numerical value (1=on 0=off) /f= force (Thanks PKCano)
Microfix
2. Having run the cmd
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sc stop Diagtrack then sc delete Diagtrack
wouldn’t most of the pastebin script be redundant in that case? then I could manually adapt to suit the systems.
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walker, woody
Yes, 0 and 1 are mostly the binary translation of ON and OFF
i never use or recommend sc delete Diagtrack

disabling the service is perfectly enough
and WMI Autologger and Compatibility Appraiser can still function without it

abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP HiFlyer, Microfix
Had these done anyway for W7/ W8.1, just better to check against the script for anything I
may have missed. IIRC I done most of these via Task Scheduler, cmd prompt and registry
edits (exported before deletion where applicable) over a year ago. Just a different method
of what I’d already done All good!
Microfix Script is now on standby for October 2018 patches onward for re-introduction in SQMR
AskWoody MVP updates. sigh.
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OldBiddy wrote:
Egads this is too advanced for the likes of me. I’ll just have to consider going back to Group
B or just accept the tracking. Rats!
fernlady
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walker, OldBiddy
Thank you, @fernlady. Maybe it’s time for me to just move on to a Chromebook or MacBook at this
point. Although Google’s snooping may be worse than MS’s.
OldBiddy
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Nice script.
Only thing is that I tend more to disable jobs than delete them, though the point could be made that deleting a
job does make it more difficult for the software to re-enable.
Noel Carboni -Noel

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Lori, WildBill
There is exactly that scenario Noel (I’m covering all bases), from my POV the Diagtrack service was
removed to make it more difficult for MS to re-introduce (unless a SFC repair is done). One has to
wonder whether the Diagtrack service will be introduced into SQMR patches as well as kb3068708/
kb3080149?
Microfix
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For what it’s worth, this script doesn’t break serviceability as checked by SFC, so I
wouldn’t think an SFC /SCANNOW would change anything back. DISM on the other
hand, I don’t know.
Noel Carboni
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-Noel
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abbodi86, Microfix
Diagtrack is part of SMQR since October 2016
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jburk07
abbodi86
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You are correct abbodi86. One observation I have found is, that having removed
Diagtrack completely a few months ago, I check after every monthly SQMR
patch installation and have found no evidence that it returns on two different
computers (both W8.1)
Microfix
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Ascaris, jburk07
October 18, 2018 at 2:39 pm REPLY #225511
Agreed… I had the same experience with 8.1 since the first SMQR to
contain the telemetry rolled my way. Wow, has it been two years since
Patchocalypse already??
I installed the rollup (following the Group A suggestions), then

Ascaris
immediately used Abbodi86’s guide that was current at that time to
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ferret out the nooks and crannies where the telemetry bits were hiding
(thanks once again for that, Abbodi86).
I removed rather than disabled the DiagTrack service, and as you said,
Microfix, it never came back while pursuing Group A (I kept checking
after each SMQR to be sure). I know that disabling it is sufficient to
keep it from doing what it does, but there is something satisfying
about deleting the loathsome thing rather than simply disabling it, and
as has been noted, it’s easier to simply turn a service back on than to
reinstall one (though the SMQRs could easily do either).
Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.19.2).

Microfix
@abbodi86, have you done performance testing to determine if not logging events gives back any machine
performance?
Long ago I had done all of what you described, except disabling the AutoLogger-Diagtrck-Listener trace
logging. I can’t imagine it will do THAT much for performance, but hey, every little bit helps. I’ll report back
Noel Carboni
after I get another run of nightly jobs tonight and can compare the times.
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge here!
-Noel

HiFlyer
Not really, the idea of this block/disable tweaks is not for the sake of performance
just to keep unnecessary addions away
Compatibility Appraiser (CompatTelRunner.exe) will cunsume high amount of system resources

during evaluation, specially first time
abbodi86
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WildBill
By the way, my nightly product builds took no less time last night than the night prior, when I had not
disabled the log. 55 minutes 14 seconds vs. 55 minutes 18 seconds. The builds vary more than that
from night to night.
-Noel
Noel Carboni
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Nadella’s gang has some competition in the race to collect Telemetry, it seems:
Google secretly logs users into Chrome whenever they log into a Google site
Firefox collects data on you through hidden add-ons

johnf
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Lori, WildBill, jburk07
There’s no monopoly on telemetry.
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Steve, jburk07
Thanks for these excellent and clear instructions, @abbodi86! I wouldn’t mind going to Group B for my own
machine, but it would be a pain to to go that route for the other 2 machines I update, and I wouldn’t have
attempted the script since I wouldn’t know how to undo something if I mess up in executing the process. But
these manual steps are very clear and not onerous. I had done some of them earlier, but I’ll be interested to see
jburk07 what happens to my settings after the October rollup.
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I really appreciate your time and effort.
Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.2

Group A:
Win7 Pro x64 SP1 Haswell, 0patch Pro, dual boot with Linux
Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Ivy Bridge, 0patch Pro, mostly offline
Win 10 Pro x64 v1909 Ivy Bridge, dual boot with Linux

walker
October 7, 2018 at 9:16 am REPLY #222570
abbodi86 wrote:
1) Unified Telemetry Client
– introduced in updates KB3068708/KB3080149, and became part of the Monthly Rollup

WildBill
since October 2016 preview rollup
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Did NOT know this was in Monthly Rollup. Never install previews (& never will), so it’s been baked in since
November 2016. I was surprised since Windows Update still shows as Recommended (do not receive
Recommended updates the same as Important). Followed your manual instructions for disabling Telemetry
Client services (I had already disabled DiagTrack) & Compatibility Appraiser tasks. Am still switching to
Group B after Patch Tuesday, especially if KB2976978 still shows in Windows Update as Important, like
KB3010149 does in Recommended. Would rather be Safe (& on Win8.1) than Sorry (& on Win10 whatever).
Windows 8.1, 64-bit, back in Group A... & leaning toward Windows 10 V2004. As long as it's a Lot Less
Buggy!
Wild Bill Rides Again...

abbodi86, walker
Some updates cannot be totally superseded (from Windows Update POV) except with metadata
and preview rollups cannot metadata-supersede important updates (KB2976978) in this case
KB3080149 is not completely superseded for Windows 8.1

likewise WU client update KB3044374
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP
Thank you so much for the script! Just to clarify: Is there any functional difference between running this script
after installing a rollup versus exclusively installing Security Only patches? In other words, does a Group A
system where one installs the latest rollup and then runs the above script make any additional network
connections than an identical system that has installed only Group B patches? Would there be any additional
anonymous (telemetry related) CPU usage on the Group A version?
Guest
If the answer is no, then it seems the reasons for going Group B are rapidly vanishing!

jburk07
No, the script disable any backported telemetry activity
i remember @MrBrian made a test to verify that, but i can’t find his post
you are welcome to take my word or doing a test
abbodi86
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Connections to @mrbrian ‘s tests may be under AKB2952664 in the Knowledge Base.

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PKCano
Da Boss
Is it safe to delete diagtrack.dll?
anonymous
Guest
SFC will nag about it and restore it, Win8.1 dism /restore-health likewise
so the deletion is not needed
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP
February 15, 2019 at 11:25 am REPLY #327473
I just noticed the cmd script is unable to access certain subdirectories under the
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Diagnosis path. (The icacls command issues “Access is denied.”) If I try to manually
view the contents of these subdirectories, it’s not enough to simply access as administrator; I’m told I have to
take ownership of the directory.
anonymous
Guest
February 15, 2019 at 11:33 am REPLY #327479
I believe the script that creates the Task Scheduler task sets it up to run as “System,” not as
administrator.
PKCano
Da Boss
March 31, 2019 at 9:11 am REPLY #347244
I’ve been in group b since the beginning.
The last time I updated though was the first important Service Stack update back in 05-26-2017 with
KB4019264. I knew there was things I had to do to keep up with Security since then, but every time I would
come here and try to figure out which I had to do the list was long and didn’t have the time to fuss, so I just kept
BobVila
procrastinating. Lately though I Knew it was time I had to do something. After spending a hour reading which
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ones I needed to install, and during that I came across Woody saying it’s just best now to just go to group and
save yourself all the hassle of keeping up with group B… and then I found this post thread he by abbodi86
Thank heavens, I absolutely love it! So simple. I’ve now become Group A and I’ll just run this script.
So I go to Windows update expecting to find all kinds things since I’ve been in group b for so long, but the only
thing I saw needed (besides NET, Visual c++) was this 2019-03 monthly Quality Rollup for Win7 KB4489878
..oddly though I did not see Service Stack Update KB4490628 that was suppose to be there, and I don’t have it
installed either – why did the SSU not show up? ..because as I said the last SSU or any update I did was back in
2017! I did not want to install KB4490628 separately though since it was not listed so I just went ahead with
KB4489878 ..hopefully since I assume it’s cumulative it contains everything I need?
Anyway I installed it, quick and easy, and after reboot I ran abbodi86 telemetry cmd and here’s what it did:
..it was nice not to fuss with doing it all manually any more! I see there was some things in the script it says it
did not do, and I assume that was because of obvious reasons? I changed the script to /t 30 ..only because I
needed an extra moment to take the screenshot and I only had one chance to catch what it said, so I made sure I
had time and gave it 30 secs
Thank you abbodi86
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March 31, 2019 at 9:12 am REPLY #347255
BobVila wrote:
So I go to Windows update expecting to find all kinds things since I’ve been in
group b for so long, but the only thing I saw needed (besides NET, Visual c++)
PKCano was this 2019-03 monthly Quality Rollup for Win7 KB4489878 ..oddly though I
Da Boss did not see Service Stack Update KB4490628 that was suppose to be there, and I
don’t have it installed either – why did the SSU not show up?
The Servicing Stack did not show up because it HAS to be installed exclusively (by itself). It does not
show up in the Important Updates queue until there are no pending updates (checked or unchecked) in
the update queue. The Servicing Stack is the update for the updating mechanism and is very
important. You should install it.
BobVila wrote:
I see there was some things in the script it says it did not do, and I assume that was
because of obvious reasons.
The script needs to be run as “System,” not just from an eleveted command prompt. Along with the
script, there is a command line in @abbodi86 ‘s AKB that sets up a Scheduled Task, run as “System”
on bootup. To make it work, locate the script in the correct folder and run the command to create the
Scheduled Task as per the instructions in the AKB.

abbodi86, BobVila
March 31, 2019 at 10:01 pm REPLY #347407
Like @PKCano said, while it’s best to create/run Scheduled Task as “System”, there is no need to
worry about those Access denied files, they don’t have an effect as long as DiagTrack service and
WMI tracker are disabled, and the Appraiser tasks
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BobVila
March 31, 2019 at 10:45 am REPLY #347276
I created a new reply to you PKCano and it showed up, but when I edited it and submitted then it completely
disappeared? Was it deleted? …I’m just learning this forums format so, pardon. I will retype it again…
The Servicing Stack did not show up because it HAS to be installed exclusively (by itself). It
does not show up in the Important Updates queue until there are no pending updates
BobVila
(checked or unchecked) in the update queue. The Servicing Stack is the update for the
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updating mechanism and is very important. You should install it.
Okay then, thank you. I created a partition image just before I started so I will just restore it and do it in the
correct order this time with the SSU manually done first – if that would be best? I don’t mind restoring at all it’s
easy, and actually prefer it if it’s the best thing to do here?
The script needs to be run as “System,” not just from an eleveted command prompt. Along
with the script, there is a command line in @abbodi86 ‘s AKB that sets up a Scheduled Task,
run as “System” on bootup. To make it work, locate the script in the correct folder and run
the command to create the Scheduled Task as per the instructions in the AKB.
Most things say succeeded, and I thought the few things listed in my screenshot that did not succeed was just
because I already had all the tasks previously set disabled and in Services had the tracking disabled too. Most of
his script worked and I see the things deleted out of the task scheduler now. PCKano you are saying not even if I
right click and run as Admin it won’t work?
I can set it up as a task but only want/need to run once, but reading it again abbodi86 says in the first post:
– execute it after installing the Monthly Rollup and rebooting

you only need to run it once, and to be safe, once after each new rollup installation
…that’s what I did – does his first posts first method need to be re-worded again because I’m confused. It says
just run it once each time you install a new rollup, and so it’s a cmd file and so I just ran it, even right click to
run as admin. If there was more to his first method why is it not listed? ..thanks for your patience.
March 31, 2019 at 10:54 am REPLY #347279
Your original reply got caught in the spambucket. It was due to too fast on the trigger with
submit/edit/submit/edit. Slow down and let the system catch up between operations.

PKCano
BobVila
Da Boss
March 31, 2019 at 11:18 am REPLY #347284
The telemetry functionality of KB2952664 was built into the 2019-09 Preview Rollup and the
subsequent Monthly Rollups starting with 2019-10 SQMR. That’s the reason to necessitate rerunning
the script.
The command creating the Scheduled Task sets it up to run as “System” on bootup. I guess if you
have manually deleted the Diagtrack and CEIP related parts, you should be OK. But I don’t trust MS
to not put them back next month, so I set mine up to automatically execute as a Scheduled Task.
Maybe I’m just lazy! LOL (or my memory is failing in my old age)
PKCano
Da Boss
BobVila
March 31, 2019 at 1:30 pm REPLY #347314
Thank you PKCano. You really didn’t answer my main questions though; also to say I didn’t manually delete
Diagtrack etc but his script did, with his 1st way which just says to execute it and is how I ran it. But you said
no and that I needed to to it as a “System” task on boot up. Well so I just ran his 2nd way adding in
his scheduled task script was pretty easy. I even see the task added in there now as W10Telemetry, and so I
BobVila rebooted to let her run and tracked what it did but really don’t see it did anything more because I ‘think’ as my
AskWoody Lounger above screenshot shows, it already did everything that was there available to do in his first method.
Did you look at my screenshot above? Perhaps when abbodi86 looks at the screenshot since he wrote the script
he will understand right away what was done or what’s needed now. I really don’t think I need to do anything
more? The question though was and is his method #1 to Manually run his ‘W10Tel.cmd’ good enough?
Yes/No? ..or is it better to run his method 2 within the task scheduler – I like some clarification on this
from abbodi86 too if I may please.
Also my hinting asking you did I need to restore my OS image and do it all again just because I did not
install the latest KB4490628 Servicing Stack Update first? ..so just now instead of restoring I installed it
was very quick wanting no reboot. I see this SSU KB4490628 changed the previous version numbering from
6.1.7601.18766 up to 6.1.7601.24383. Also just checking at WU it still has nothing new for me.
I’ve now set his W10Telemetry task as disabled and won’t need to run it until I do the next rollup when its
imperative. Or like he says I will just run his method #1 ‘W10Tel.cmd’ Manually after the next time I do a
cumulative rollup. Yes/No
Thank you
March 31, 2019 at 1:36 pm REPLY #347319
Manually or as a Task – whatever gets the job done. Until you forget to run it……..
If the SSU installed, you should be good. No need to restore.
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Da Boss walker, BobVila
April 1, 2019 at 7:28 am REPLY #347487
abbodi86 wrote:
Like @pkcano said, while it’s best to create/run Scheduled Task as “System”, there is no
need to worry about those Access denied files, they don’t have an effect as long as
DiagTrack service and WMI tracker are disabled, and the Appraiser tasks
BobVila
Thank you. I’ll do both then, I like to manually look at what the cmd prompt says when I first manually run
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‘W10Tel.cmd’ after an update, and then manually reboot, but before rebooting I will also toggle my Schedule
Tasks W10Telemetry back on and then let it reboot… might not be necessary to do it both ways but won’t hurt
right… (then afterwards I’ll disable the task until the next time I update (which is not often) ..because no sense
to have it run everyday for no reason right ..until of course the next update. I only update once every few
months anyway when something is imperative or is the right MS-DEFCON
Thanks again, and nice work
PS – it feels GREAT to move to the easier Group A now.. I see why Woody (and others) suggest it.
April 2, 2019 at 2:45 pm REPLY #348182
Is there a script like this for Win10 to neutralize telemetry on Win10 too?
I’ve seen some programs like O&O etc, but just wondering if someone is maintaining a script to do it like is
done here, or if it’s not that easy since 10 is more complex, what is the best program to do it on Win10?
BobVila
AskWoody Lounger
April 2, 2019 at 5:56 pm REPLY #348257
No
Telemetry is deeply baked into Windows 10, disabling it completely is a lost cause
disabling it mostly might break other things
abbodi86
Microfix, woody, jburk07, Elly, BobVila
April 2, 2019 at 9:51 pm REPLY #348302
not only that but (here’s the shocker) disabling telemetry completely in win10
“encourages” the win10 update assistant to upgrade any machine to the newest feature
update available (unconditionally), regardless of windows update blocking settings,
bypassing them [aka. “forced automatic upgrades”].
EP
remember this old Computerworld article folks:
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https://www.computerworld.com/article/3261570/microsoft-forces-win10-1709-upgrades-
on-pcs-set-to-restrict-telemetry.html
back then in that article, someone using O&O Shutup10 to disable telemetry completely
(the diagnostic data set to 0) caused a Win10 machine to force upgrade to v1709.
so in essence attempting to disable telemetry completely in win10 seems to make things

worse, not better.

woody, jburk07, Elly, BobVila, abbodi86
April 3, 2019 at 7:37 am REPLY #348369
Okay thank you guys, I understand don’t try to disable telemetry completely, and so then what is the balance,
what is the most practical method that can be safely done with Win10?
I know I want to at least stop Win10 from auto updating itself, and perhaps this link below ‘may be’ the latest
method – have you seen this one: ?
BobVila
AskWoody Lounger https://github.com/WereDev/Wu10Man
…or is there something better? (Yes EP I read the Computer world article, thank you)
As far as telemetry, again what are the minimal things we can do to tame it, without causing a fuss?
(I don’t mind if you move this post as I don’t want to hijack this Win7/8.1 thread. I have Win7, Win8, and
Win10 computers on my network, and Win7/8 worked perfectly with your W10Tel.cmd – I love it, thank you!
…now I need to do a similar (or at least a minimum) of settings for Win10)
April 3, 2019 at 7:34 am REPLY #348367
Create a Topic under the version of Win10 you have. Make the title reflect your question about
limiting telemetry.
You can use the Forum tree at the bottom of the right-hand (woodgrain) panel to find the link you
need. Topic creation is at the bottom of the page in that Forum. Good exercise!
PKCano
Da Boss
woody, Elly, BobVila
July 14, 2019 at 4:00 pm REPLY #1874954
Many thanks for the removal script!
Just one question: If I understood it correctly, the script first adds a value HaveUploadedForTarget to the key
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Appraiser, and a few steps
after, it deletes the whole Appraiser key.
anonymous
Guest Is this supposed to be this way or should it be the other way round?

Microfix, abbodi86
July 15, 2019 at 4:05 am REPLY #1875123
It actually should be the other way around, but the HaveUploadedForTarget may not haveany effect
anyway, updated the script and added support for Win7 EOS KB4493132
abbodi86 5 users thanked author for this post.

AskWoody_MVP AJNorth, Elly, woody, PKCano, Microfix
July 15, 2019 at 1:48 pm REPLY #1875310
Great, thanks for the quick reply & fix!
anonymous
Guest
July 24, 2019 at 1:09 am REPLY #1883369
KB 4493123 has reared its ugly head again on PCs running Windows 7 Home Premium x64 as of today 24 July
(Sydney Australia date). Have hidden them again.

Pierre77
walker
AskWoody Plus
July 24, 2019 at 3:48 am REPLY #1883682
? says:
do you mean KB4493132 the Windows 7 SP1 Support Notification

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4493132/windows-7-update-kb4493132
anonymous
Guest
July 24, 2019 at 3:50 am REPLY #1883685
? says:
nevermind:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-pushing-out-windows-7-end-of-support-alerts/
from yesterday 7/22
thanks, Pterre77
anonymous
Guest
July 24, 2019 at 12:12 pm REPLY #1884955
born is reporting about the KB4493132 update showing up again recently:

https://borncity.com/win/2019/07/24/windows-7-new-notification-update-kb4493132-july-2019/
the enterprise and professional editions of Windows 7 will not be offered the KB4493132 update; only
“consumer” editions of Windows 7 (home and ultimate) will have it offered
EP
AskWoody_MVP
This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.

Chessie
July 29, 2019 at 5:29 pm REPLY #1896548
@abbodi86 and all –
Is it possible to get a listing of the W10Tel.cmd script if it is not too big? Our network policy blocks download
sites for security reasons. We would be violating policy if we download it from a different network… That’s a
no-no.
anonymous
Guest
July 29, 2019 at 5:30 pm REPLY #1896562
You can copy and paste it into Notepad. It’s just a small amount of text. Then save it as .cmd on your
computer.

PKCano
walker, abbodi86
Da Boss
July 31, 2019 at 4:05 pm REPLY #1899530
My home PC (Win 7 x64) has 3 user IDs defined on it: a user ID with administrative privileges which I use only
for system maintenance tasks, a user ID without administrative privileges which I use for day-to-day tasks, and
a similar user ID that my wife uses for her day-to-day tasks. If I wish to use W10Tel.cmd on my system, is it
sufficient to run it on the user ID that I use for system maintenance tasks, or do I have to run it on all 3 user IDs?
TonyC
AskWoody Lounger
July 31, 2019 at 7:45 pm REPLY #1899682
All the changes done by the script are system-wide (except the Win 7 EOS notification part (which
you don’t need if you don’t install KB4493132)
running it with the administrative user ID would be enough for all
abbodi86
TonyC, Elly, Carl D
August 2, 2019 at 7:17 am REPLY #1900975
? says:
sorry to bother, can i cut :
:: ############################
anonymous :: # End Of Support KB4493132 #
Guest :: ############################
From there to the end of this section.
to not run the EOL portion and still have the functionality of your patch? in case the winx
upgrade appraisal components are (somehow) added between now and 1/2019. i’m
planning to run without “Security Only” patches that contain this “appraisal” nonsense
while updating IE and MSE until then…
thank you!
Moderator note: Please do not publish @abbodi86 ‘s script on this site.
? says:
my apologies, will not do that again
anonymous
Guest
Yes, no problem
be sure to keep the :proceed line
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP
? says
abbodi86:
reply much appreciated, so i can cut from:

anonymous
Guest if (… blah blah…) (7601 go to) :proceed (from here)
cut all of EOS info
then pick up at:
:proceed
UTC stuff? just want it to work in case i need to run it.
Yes, basically from line 15 to 31
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP
? says:
got it, thank you, kind sir! i see the green defcon flag has been raised
and since i’m nowhere near to be considered a “normal,” (user) or
anonymous anything for that matter (left-handed, dyslexic) i think i’ll sit back,
Guest relax have a cold drink and see how this all plays out…
again, thank you abbodi86!
August 2, 2019 at 2:59 pm REPLY #1901257
@abbodi86: Since I don’t know what I’m doing (very computer

illiterate), I will just watch and see how things turn out (for the present
time). Thank you for all of the excellent information and guidance
you continually provide for all of us “users”. You do an
walker outstanding job, which is very much appreciated!
AskWoody Lounger
July 31, 2019 at 7:50 pm REPLY #1899689
Tony,
just run it with your Admin account and it will cover all 3 accounts.
I don’t have a Windows 7 setup to test it with at the moment but I have always right clicked on
Carl D W10Tel.cmd and selected “Run as Administrator” from my Admin account (it may prompt to run it
AskWoody Lounger as Administrator even if you don’t do that but I’m not sure).
If you run it from either of the 2 Standard accounts it would probably still prompt you to run it as
Administrator and it would probably cover all 3 accounts. Once again, I’m not sure about that so if
anyone else knows for sure please chime in.
Anyway, easiest thing to do would be to just run it from your main Admin account and it will cover
all 3 as I have already mentioned.
Edit: abbodi86 beat me to it (thanks, abbodi). Must learn to type faster.
Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX
1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD,
Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

TonyC, abbodi86
July 31, 2019 at 10:11 pm REPLY #1899868
In recent years I religiously kept doing a number of tweaks (some described in this thread, some on other blogs)
to stop telemetry on my Win 7 systems. But MS kept pushing updates that re-activated telemetry. So frustrating
& disappointing.
ek The only thing that really works for me – and is easily reversible – was implementing a Pihole adblocker at
AskWoody Lounger home and adding a blocklist a github site maintains for blocking MS telemetry. The blocklist works well, is
easy to disable if needed and is completely independent of Windows.
The only one I was able to find there appears to be designed for Win 10’s telemetry and I don’t know if they’d
be the same for Win 7. Since you specifically stated you’re running Win 7 is there any chance you could provide
more specific info? Like the list’s file name maybe?
Ed
AskWoody Lounger
I ran W10Tel.cmd for the first time on my W7x64 (Home Premium) system today. It generated a number of
error messages which are displayed on the screen shot of the command prompt window below.
TonyC
AskWoody Lounger
W10Tel2.cmd is W10Tel.cmd without the W7 EOS KB4493132 section (lines 15 to 31) – I don’t have
KB4493132 installed. As can be seen, I redirected the normal output to a text file, but the error messages
appeared in the command prompt window.
I’m not expecting an explanation of what each error message means. But I would like to be reassured that such
error messages are expected simply because every W7 system is different.
Attachments:
Such errors are expected, the script is straight forward, it try to remove the registry values and/or files
without checking if they exist or not
actually, running reg query will also output error, therefore, it will not make a difference to check or
add
abbodi86
so, just ignore the errors
AskWoody_MVP
to redirect error output add 2>&1 after text file

W10Tel2.cmd W10Tel2.log 2>&1

DriftyDonN, BobVila, TonyC
@abbodi86
Reassured. Thank you.
TonyC 1 user thanked author for this post.

AskWoody Lounger BobVila
? says:
TonyC, maybe have a look at the powershell Bob Villa posted up in #347244 on march 31st while awating
abbodi86’s reply?
anonymous
Guest 2 users thanked author for this post.
tonyc035, BobVila
Yes, I did see Bob’s post and noticed a number of error messages in his command prompt window.
Bob appeared to be seeking the same reassurance that I was seeking.

BobVila
TonyC
AskWoody Lounger
I had been holding back updates on my systems (Windows 7 and 8.1), and liked the sentiment behind this
“script”.
Anyway, long story, I did not see anything specifically mentioning in this thread that you may need to enable
DiagTrack in to install some updates. In my case, KB4507448.
anonymous
Guest Check your “Application” event log, and if you see an ‘0x800f0816’ error. Try enabling DiagTrack.
NOTES:
Essentially, the message states that it cannot change the state of the update to “staged”:
Package KB4507448 failed to be changed to the Staged state. Status: 0x800f0816.
After enabling:
Initiating changes for package KB4507448. Current state is Resolved. Target state is Staged. Client id:
WindowsUpdateAgent.
That error does not appear to be documented\detailed. For example, in this powershell snippet (NOTE: I feed in
two error codes just to confirm the Win32Exception object actually works for the ‘Facility’):
0x800f0816,0x800f0001 | % { ‘Facility: {0}, Error: {1}, {2}’ -f @(($_ -shr 16 -band 0xfff), ($_ -band 0xffff),
([ComponentModel.Win32Exception]$_).Message) }
I get these results:
Facility: 15, Error: 2070, Unknown error (0x800f0816)

Facility: 15, Error: 1, A section name marker in the INF is not complete, or does not exist on a line by itself
Regard,
Richard Rudek
? says:
@abbodi86,
if you can tell me why Application Experience (CEIP) runs (RunAsInvoker) (compatibility fix runs because it it
anonymous blocked?) when i update MSE even though it is disabled in the Task Scheduler i would appreciate it. i am opted
Guest
in to Basic spynet in MSE settings because the real time scanning only works if opted in. i see the invoker run in
event log\application experience and can flush out the xml to %temp% (users\appdata\local\temp:
“xml version=”1.0″
Event xmlns=”http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event”
System
Provider Guid=”{EEF54E71-0661-422D-9A98-82FD4940B820}” Name=”Microsoft-Windows-Application-

Experience”/
EventID>500</EventID Version>0</Version Level 4 /Level Task 0 /Task
Opcode 0 /Opcode Keywords 0x1000000000000000 /Keywords
TimeCreated SystemTime=”2019-09-01 Z”/
EventRecordID 514 /EventRecordID Correlation/ Execution ThreadID=”2184″ ProcessID=”2540″/
Channel Microsoft-Windows-Application-Experience/Program-Telemetry /Channel
Computer ?-PC /Computer Security UserID=”S-1-5-20″/ /System- UserData
CompatibilityFixEvent xmlns=”http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/Diagnosis/PCA/events”
xmlns:auto-ns2=”http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events”
ProcessId>2540</ProcessId
StartTime 2019-09-01 Z /StartTime FixID {1C2D58C3-DCD2-41E3-BD0B-25F05028C655} /FixID
Flags 0x40102 /Flags ExePath C:\Windows\SERVIC~2\NETWOR~1\AppData\Local\Temp\MpSigStub.exe

/ExePath
FixName>RunAsInvoker /FixName/CompatibilityFixEvent /UserData /Event”
thank you!
This is not the Appraiser running
it’s just regular compatibility fix that’s get applied for some programs, part of Application Experience
service
abbodi86 like i said before, the Telemetry Appraiser hooks in (or hijack) the built-in Application Compatibility
AskWoody_MVP Experience tasks and event log channels
but it’s still function as old behavior and provide compatibility shim for programs

BobVila
? says:
ok, great! i missed it when you said it before so thank you for repeating yourself and now i
know why it’s in the logs. on another note i was checking for old telemetry patches and i
have KB3021927 showing in
anonymous
hklm\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\componentbasedservicing\applicability\evalua
Guest
with current state value=0 (not installed) and applicability state value=112 (fully installed,
available for binding) i installed it when it was offered as an “enhancement” in 2015 and
then uninstalled it via wusa when i found out what it really was, so i gusee it is stuck in the
win sxs basement…
thanks again for your reply
You probably mean KB3021917
ApplicabilityEvaluationCache reflect the result of Windows Update

it’s deleted with each new update installation or uninstallation, and created by WU upon
search
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVP ApplicabilityState 70 (112) means the update is considered valid by WU and will be
offered
it doesn’t mean the update is installed

BobVila
? says:
abbodi86, you make the world a much better place! yes, i have middle number
dyslexia and KB burnout it is KB3021917 and it only shows up in Nir’s
WinUpdatesList tool. and yes as you say the correct ApplicabilityState value is
anonymous
0x70 (112) (valid).
Guest
so the …\cache is a what if pile rather than a what is pile? no wonder i can’t
wusa it out of existence, i already did. i really do appreciate you always
generously sharing your knowledge…
thank you!

BobVila
You are welcome
Yep, only CurrentState reflect the updates status on the system

0 – not installed
50 (80) – installed / superseded
abbodi86
70 (112) – installed / active
AskWoody_MVP

BobVila
Thank you so much. After finding out, Mic-SOB’s again added their telemetry BS, I was ready to throw in the
towel. Giving up on all updates, till the bitter end of Win 7. I had already done everything you suggested long
ago. The one thing I wasn’t sure about, if I downloaded updates with telemetry included, would telemetry reset
what I disable and/or create new files that were deleted? Now I know the answer is No. Thanks again, your hard
Jim C work is very much appreciated!!!
AskWoody Lounger
BobVila
Using the physical-sciences principle of “confirm what you think you know” (but really, I believe am just
kicking a dead horse), with the new inclusion (in Sep 2019) by MS of telemetry in Win7 & 8.1 “security only”
patches, it appears that there is absolutely no reason to stay in Group B, as you have to use one of the methods
of this thread in either Group B or Group A, and in Group B you are passing up Win fixes and improvements.
WSkxxxk True?
AskWoody Plus
Any reasons for the contrary?
You hit the nail on the head.

If you pass up security-only patches, well, you pass up security.
You can stop the telemetry, but if you don’t have the security…………
PKCano 1 user thanked author for this post.

Da Boss
Microfix
Thanks! I wouldn’t know how to do the script, but the manual steps were very clear and easy. Much
appreciated!
Lori
AskWoody Plus
Could the script be added to include the following?
The July Security Only update that adds telemetry creates a folder, Migration\WTR, with a file,
CompatTelemetry, that lists the changes that include some not already in the script. They are..
Guest [System.File]
AskWoody Lounger “%windir%\system32\CompatTel\* [*]”
“%windir%\system32\ [aepdu.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\ [devinv.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\appraiser\* [*]”
“%windir%\system32\ [acmigration.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\ [appraiser.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\ [invagent.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\ [generaltel.dll]”
“%windir%\system32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ [Microsoft
Compatibility Appraiser]”
“%windir%\system32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\
[ProgramDataUpdater]”
“%windir%\appcompat\programs\ [FullCompatReport.xml]”
“%windir%\appcompat\UA\* [*]”
“%windir%\appcompat\Appraiser\* [*]”
[System.Registry]
“HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\ClientTelemetry\* [*]”
“HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Appraiser\*
[*]”
NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\UpgradeExperienceIndicators\* [*]”
NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\OneSettings\* [*]”
NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\TelemetryController\* [*]”
“HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Shared\
[UpgExIndChecksum]”
CompatTelemetry.inf is used to exclude the listed files and registry if you decided to upgrade
Windows 7 to Windows 10 (or 8.1)
removing that file or any other related system files will break SFC integrity
abbodi86 and it’s not needed at all

AskWoody_MVP like i said, disabling the schedule tasks and WMI logger should be enough

Microfix, PKCano
December 10, 2019 at 6:19 pm REPLY #2017648
Updated W10Tel.cmd script with entries to suppress Win 7 EOS notification (installed with KB4530734 and SO
KB4530692)
https://pastebin.com/zeJFe08G
abbodi86 This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by abbodi86.

AskWoody_MVP

bitbasher, Kranium, Microfix, PKCano
January 17, 2020 at 9:39 pm REPLY #2086491
Aside from a current disk image, is there a way to undo w10tel.cmd?
Not sure why but ya never know what MS might do next…..
Great tool BTW!

DriftyDonN
AskWoody Plus DriftyDonN
"Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."
February 3, 2020 at 2:31 pm REPLY #2125285
abbodi86 wrote:
Updated W10Tel.cmd script with entries to suppress Win 7 EOS notification (installed with
KB4530734 and SO KB4530692)
bitbasher https://pastebin.com/zeJFe08G
AskWoody Lounger
This reply was modified 6 months, 4 weeks ago by abbodi86.
Will this script work with the last JAN 2020 SO update KB4534314 which also contains EOS notification?
I’m still going to wait for JAN 2020 SO update so MS can fix their black background bug.
February 3, 2020 at 3:07 pm REPLY #2125295
I am using the script as a startup task in Task Scheduler, and I haven’t seen the EOS nag on any of my
8 Win7 computers (up to date through Jan).

PKCano
abbodi86, bitbasher
Da Boss
May 7, 2020 at 9:38 pm REPLY #2260681
And for those who find this level of task too fiddly and or too complicated there is a nice auto-pilot one click
app ‘SpyBot Anti-Beacon’ which makes life easier available from
Safer-Networking.org .
Latest download v3.5 comes as a free version and covers approx 50% of the Microsoft telemetry spy zones and
Gordski the paid for ‘Plus’ version (€7.99 p/a) is available which enables 100% coverage of all Microsofts embeded
AskWoody Plus telemetry.
G.
May 8, 2020 at 2:54 am REPLY #2260699
Gordski wrote:
free version and covers approx 50% of the Microsoft telemetry spy zones and the paid for
‘Plus’ version (€7.99 p/a)
Alex5723
AskWoody Plus The free, portable Debotnet does much more and doesn’t cost a dime.

7ProSP1
May 8, 2020 at 8:04 pm REPLY #2260900
Alex5723 wrote:
Gordski wrote:
free version and covers approx 50% of the Microsoft telemetry spy zones
and the paid for ‘Plus’ version (€7.99 p/a)
7ProSP1 The free, portable Debotnet does much more and doesn’t cost a dime.
AskWoody Lounger
I had never heard of this extremely useful utility until I read your post.
It has now been added to my arsenal of Microsoft anti-snooping software.
Thanks for sharing.
This reply was modified 1 month, 4 weeks ago by 7ProSP1.

Alex5723
May 19, 2020 at 9:06 pm REPLY #2264237
7ProSP1 wrote:
The free, portable Debotnet does much more and doesn’t cost a dime.
satrow It’s already been deprecated in favour of sharpapp, ghacks report.

AskWoody MVP
May 20, 2020 at 1:03 am REPLY #2264279
satrow wrote:
7ProSP1 wrote:
The free, portable Debotnet does much more and doesn’t cost a dime.
Alex5723
AskWoody Plus
It’s already been deprecated in favour of sharpapp, ghacks report.
Sharpapp is inferior to Debotnet, which still can be used.
June 12, 2020 at 7:56 pm REPLY #2271894
This being almost 2 years old, I get quite a few”file does not exist lines” but then the cmd box disappears quick!
Isn’t it likely win10 has changed enough that some of this needs updating? Just curiosity. I run this religiously
every month!
Thank You!
"Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."
DriftyDonN
AskWoody Plus
June 12, 2020 at 9:36 pm REPLY #2271910
This is only for Windows 7/8.1, not Windows 10

Steve, PKCano, satrow
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September 24, 2018 at 9:07 am REPLY #219238

Published September 24, 2018 | rev 1.0

1) Unified Telemetry Client

2) Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser

– represented by the “Application Experience” schedule tasks (Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser,

– execute it after installing the Monthly Rollup and rebooting

open Services from Task Manager

find Diagnostics Tracking Service, right-click and select Properties

right-click on Computer icon and select Manage (This PC in Windows 8.1)

expand to the node Performance > Data Collector Sets

from Event Trace Sessions, right-click on AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener or Diagtrack-Listener and Stop it

– Compatibility Appraiser tasks

launch Task Scheduler from Start Menu

do the same with tasks in Customer Experience Improvement Program

September 24, 2018 at 1:12 pm REPLY #219315

anonymous 5 users thanked author for this post.

September 24, 2018 at 1:20 pm REPLY #219320

September 24, 2018 at 1:49 pm REPLY #219332

@abbodi86, Nice post! NEEDS TO BE AN AKB

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September 24, 2018 at 10:50 pm REPLY #219491

Yes, 0 and 1 are mostly the binary translation of ON and OFF

i never use or recommend sc delete Diagtrack

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September 25, 2018 at 6:21 am REPLY #219522

September 24, 2018 at 3:06 pm REPLY #219353

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September 24, 2018 at 5:12 pm REPLY #219401

September 24, 2018 at 11:06 pm REPLY #219503

Noel Carboni -Noel

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September 25, 2018 at 6:31 am REPLY #219523

September 25, 2018 at 8:30 am REPLY #219547

You must be logged in to access attached files.

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September 25, 2018 at 9:21 am REPLY #219561

Diagtrack is part of SMQR since October 2016

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September 25, 2018 at 9:43 am REPLY #219565

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October 18, 2018 at 2:39 pm REPLY #225511

I installed the rollup (following the Group A suggestions), then

Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.19.2).

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September 25, 2018 at 8:55 am REPLY #219557

Thank you for sharing your knowledge here!

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September 25, 2018 at 9:25 am REPLY #219562

Compatibility Appraiser (CompatTelRunner.exe) will cunsume high amount of system resources

September 25, 2018 at 11:31 pm REPLY #219755

September 25, 2018 at 9:47 am REPLY #219566

Firefox collects data on you through hidden add-ons

Lori, WildBill, jburk07

September 25, 2018 at 9:50 am REPLY #219567

There’s no monopoly on telemetry.

G{ot backup} TestBeta

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September 25, 2018 at 3:18 pm REPLY #219660