Toyotec's How To Integrate Megasquirt To Your 20vT Engine 140911

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Introduction.
So you have ripped your old 8v out and want more power. Something with VR6 like
character and torque ( thump) but without the ankorness and the bulk. Well only one
engine could do and that is VW's 20vT.
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For years since it first appeared in 1995 us enthusiasts have installed them from Golfs
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mk1 to Elises and as time moves on more engine component options become available
to tune these powerplants to as much power as your pockets can afford.
When it comes to the engine controller many options exist. One of these engine control
options is the humble MS engine controller.
Bens_cab was one of the first persons that I know who had a functional system working
on his 20vT Cabrio. His cabby still lives on and he was been very active with MK1
owners in supporting MS installs.
Some early pictures of his car below.
I have had the privilege to build, support and calibrate many of these VW 20vT MS
installations. However as other priorties begin to set in I thought I would share the
process of commencing to integrating the unit to a 20vT.
Please note, if you are a novice and are looking for a cheap ECU solution, have no
skills, do not understand a methodical approach to engineering, then please pay a
professional to fit and map a DTA, OMEX, Emerald, Motec, Linx, Haltec, EMS, KMS,
Motec, Petcel or any other more expensive system out there. If you are neither of the
above please read on . I shall give points how to start mapping but will not be
sharing any calibrated files.
Many variants exist now from the simple MS 1 to MS 3. The system I will cover is a MS1
with extra firmware assembled on a version 3 pcb using a 4 pole coil pack (Sagem,
Visteon or Ford Bosch coil pack. I will also mention other VW coil packs that have been
used.
Tools.
15w soldering iron
Solder sucker
1mm Solder (PB free)
STIM (JSTIM in my case)
3rd hand
Heat shrink
Blow torch
PCB cleaner
Purchasing a unit.
MS units can be purchased whole or as a bill of materials (BOM) that you can assemble
yourself.
There are many reputable suppliers that can sell you a unit.
In the case where you maybe up for a challenge to assemble then you can purchase full
kits from this link.
As an option it maybe worthwhile purchasing a stimulator either as a complete unit of

as a BOM.
You will be expected to pay duty plus handling charges for the unit when purchased
from the links.
Unit assembly
With the unit in hand, use this site to help with assembly MSEFI site for assembly
instructions for MS1 or 2 on Ver 3 PCBs
Follow these steps to build the unit, these are similar to the How to MS your ABF
thread.
Here are some highlights of various stages if the build.
Bare PCB
Steps 1-3 Board w/ DIP 28 socket and D37 and D15
Steps 4 to 23 5V+UART
Testing 5V supply to CPU socket
Steps 24 to 41 Comms/Clock install and test
Steps 42 to 55 Adding input circuit ( more on VW VR sensor later)
Steps 56 to 80 Output stage added.
When the type of engine speed sensor is to be configured on the ecu follow these
steps.
1.8T engine use a variable reluctance (VR) trigger (G28) which, on cranking can
generate up to +/-2v AC. Locate the 2 wires that generate this voltage and label.
Information regarding the correct sensor is shown in the image for G28.
On the MS V3 PCB jumper TACHSELECT to VRIN also Jumper TSEL to VROUTINV.
Install and solder 2 330 Ohm resistors to R26 and R29. Solder to the resistors on the
side towards the DB9 connector.
Install at least 2 IGBTs, one per channel for ignition as the system will be run in wasted
spark config. use the case for a good heat sink.
Connect IGBT Pin 1 the the exposed end of the 330 Ohm resistor, IGBT Pin 2 to the
spark outputs, pin 36 (spark A) and *pin 6 spark B on "spare 4" and IGBT pin 3 to Gnd
from proto area.
The current track on spares 1-4 will need to be made more robust. Use a component
end from a resistor or capacitor and fit as in the picture.
Assembling the stim
Please click on link.
Connecting to the stim and powering up for the first time.
Downloading firmware
The latest MS1 extra code firmware can be found here.
Downloading the user interface
The most popular GUI is Tuner Studio. Prior to this many users used and still use
Megatune. You download and use either to achieve the same effect.
Once your MS unit has been updated with the latest software code and it can be tested
on the stim.
Typical 20v sensors/actuator connections
Bosch NTC Coolant temp sensor/ Cluster gauge G62 and G2, N75
Bosch NTC Manifold temp sensor G42, and EV1/6 injector connection
Older G62/2
Newer G62/2 sensor found on ME7.x systems
N75
Older G42
EV6, EV1 similar
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Toyotec,
Apr 1, 2011 #1
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Engine speed sensor. G28
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AUM/AUQ/BAM
J338 8-1pin throttle module.
2E 8v/ ABF 3 pin throttle body and sensor
Pin 1 5v tach ref
Pin 2 Signal to MS pin 26
Pin 3 Earth
Non amplified coil packs (3 pin) and amplified coil pack (4 pin)
3pin external amplified
4 pin internal ignition
Low amp cluster tach mod
Ford Visteon or Bosch 4 pole pack wiring and tach mode for high amplified clusters (
MK2 and 1)
Renault/ Peugeot Sagem 4 pole coil pack wiring.
ECU supply and engine I/O connection
RS Autosprt MS schematic
1.8 T to MS wiring
Getting the engine started.
In the case where the engine controller does not come with a base map, here are some
basic tips that you can use to begin the calibration.
Use these config. settings for:
Engine constants
Wheel Trigger
Conclusion
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Toyotec,
Apr 17, 2011 #2
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Eddie, I have said this to you before, but I'll say it again:
"I do not necessarily wish to undertake the 'How To' subjects that you post, but I read
them in awe!"
Brilliant stuff again Eddie. Not just a great piece of workmanship, but a superb piece of
Dave documentation. The wiring diagrams are perfect, and fully detail all connections in an
Pedantic Old Fart uber clear manner.
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Praise over!
ps. Shame that you have not worked out how to spin photos through 90 deg. clockwise
yet!
Toyotec said:
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Introduction.
So you have a good old 8v, but want more power, and can't afford a G60 conversion.
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Dave,
Apr 18, 2011 #3
Great work Eddie
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Apr 18, 2011 #4
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Really nice work!
If you feel that there might be any valuable information on my site
H (http://eight620vt.tk) feel free to add!
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god damnit i wish i had found this when i was doing that loom i wouldn't have had to
bombard you/everyone with questions
its worth noting that the Renault/ Peugeot Sagem 4 pole coil pack can have pins 3 and
4 either way round, and still work
rubjonny oh and re: the rev counter wiring, so you dont need an extra Zener diode between the
Administrator 2 in4001 diodes and the clocks? all the diagrams ive seen use one of these and
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peterg60s rev counter doesnt work, so this could be why...
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rubjonny said:
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god damnit i wish i had found this when i was doing that loom i wouldn't have had to bombard
you/everyone with questions
its worth noting that the Renault/ Peugeot Sagem 4 pole coil pack can have pins 3 and 4 either way
round, and still work
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oh and re: the rev counter wiring, so you dont need an extra Zener diode between the 2 in4001 diodes
and the clocks? all the diagrams ive seen use one of these and peterg60s rev counter doesnt work, so
this could be why...
Mine has the zener diode and works perfectly - did you put it in the correct way round?
It needs to be the oposite way round to the diodes. Click pic to enlarge.
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Admin,
Apr 18, 2011 #7
bugger it, that'll be why. no-one said they needed to be a certain way round
rubjonny,
Apr 18, 2011 #8
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nice one eddie. this will come in really useful in the near future.
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fantastic eddie the cabby is out on the road again for 6th year with its ms install
hopefully i can get it down to you again for some tweaking now it has the ko3s
B What i will say is when i first installed mine if it hadnt been for meeting eddie the car
would have just been poodling around not running great lol
bens_cab after a few telephone conversations and a visit from eddie the car was mot'd and
Forum Junkie driven despite a few issues which were ecu related eddie was able to resolve these
Joined: Dec 30, 2005 issues in the ecu's he builds now so my cabby had become some kind of test bed in a
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to date i have fitted 3 of these ecu's built by eddie for people with very little hassle
unlike the hassle i had when i first installed mine so im glad to see ive been of some
help in the process
bens_cab,
Apr 18, 2011 #10
rubjonny said:
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bugger it, that'll be why. no-one said they needed to be a certain way round
if you had asked i could have sent you the rev mod already soldered and ready to go lol
ive done a few now
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Cheers for the kind words guys. More content will be added in due time
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Awsome Eddie, this thread is just what I needed!
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DIYAutotune Loom update 140911
With RSA looms hard to source, DIYAutotune is now used to source both ECU
kits/components and looms.
Below is the typical loom explaination and ECU pin out that are used in an ECU that
Toyotec was configured by Toyotecwerke.
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As some most 20vT vehicles run wasted spark with a 4 pole coil pack a flylead is added
to pin 6 on the MS loom. This is "spark B". So far they look like this.
Any questions please feel free to ask.

Toyotec,
Sep 14, 2011 #14
can you get a better quality scan, or confirm what the note says about the CLT and IAT
earth, i think it says earth them to the same spot as the megasquirt ecu?
some questions re: grounding for them. do you recommend that 7-9 and 17-19 each
have their own ground wire, or is splicing them to a thicker wire ok as i have seen on
some megasquirt d plugs supplied to me.
rubjonny
Administrator Also where is the best place to earth the head or the battery -ve? I've seen conflicting
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information. I tend to wire them as per oem ABF, all sensors ground together to the
Admin head, and ecu wires to the same spot also
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rubjonny said:
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can you get a better quality scan, or confirm what the note says about the CLT and IAT earth, i think
it says earth them to the same spot as the megasquirt ecu?
1) All sensors can be grounded on any ecu earth lead.
Toyotec
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Admin ground wire, or is splicing them to a thicker wire ok as i have seen on some megasquirt d plugs
supplied to me.
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2) As this diagram shows, pins 7-9 and 17-19 are common ( as are the pin between)
manage the flyleads from these are required.
Also where is the best place to earth the head or the battery -ve? I've seen conflicting information. I
tend to wire them as per oem ABF, all sensors ground together to the head, and ecu wires to the same
spot also
3) Hope the conflicting infomation is not in this thread !
Take the unused wires, connect togther and send out to battery -ve/earth on 2.0-4.0
mm flylead.
Toyotec,
Sep 15, 2011 #16
cool thanks. its come from various places, as you know there are around 20million
different ms diagrams out there and they all differ slightly
reason i asked about the earth is one ms loom i got had them all joined, but the maker
of the ecu told the customer that this was an error and he should use separate wires
instead and earth them all to the same point
rubjonny
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each pin. now I'm a bit annoyed that I wasted my time
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rubjonny said:
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cool thanks. its come from various places, as you know there are around 20million different ms
diagrams out there and they all differ slightly
They tend to be generated depending on who built the ecu and what extras are fitted.
When the ECUs are built, I tend to follow the pattern set by the supplier, in this case
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Location: told the customer that this was an error and he should use separate wires instead and earth them all
to the same point
Then do as you are told by the ECU maker. It would be nice if ECU builders follow the
base ECU guidlines as demonstrated above, but without inspecting the ECU build I
could not comment any further.
which made my life much harder as i had to desolder them all and add a new wire to each pin. now
I'm a bit annoyed that I wasted my time
When you do not know you have to try. Now go build them the "proper" way .
Toyotec,
Sep 15, 2011 #18
cool thanks for all the info
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cracking info as ever.
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Some early pictures of his car below.

15w soldering iron

1mm Solder (PB free)

STIM (JSTIM in my case)

As an option it maybe worthwhile purchasing a stimulator either as a complete unit of

Here are some highlights of various stages if the build.

Steps 1-3 Board w/ DIP 28 socket and D37 and D15

Testing 5V supply to CPU socket

Steps 24 to 41 Comms/Clock install and test

Steps 42 to 55 Adding input circuit ( more on VW VR sensor later)

Steps 56 to 80 Output stage added.

On the MS V3 PCB jumper TACHSELECT to VRIN also Jumper TSEL to VROUTINV.

Assembling the stim

Please click on link.

Connecting to the stim and powering up for the first time.

The latest MS1 extra code firmware can be found here.

Downloading the user interface

Typical 20v sensors/actuator connections

Newer G62/2 sensor found on ME7.x systems

EV6, EV1 similar

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Engine speed sensor. G28

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J338 8-1pin throttle module.

2E 8v/ ABF 3 pin throttle body and sensor

Pin 1 5v tach ref

Pin 2 Signal to MS pin 26

3pin external amplified

4 pin internal ignition

Low amp cluster tach mod

Renault/ Peugeot Sagem 4 pole coil pack wiring.

ECU supply and engine I/O connection

Getting the engine started.

basic tips that you can use to begin the calibration.

Use these config. settings for:

Nige likes this.

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Great work Eddie

Really nice work!

If you feel that there might be any valuable information on my site

H (http://eight620vt.tk) feel free to add!

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Awsome Eddie, this thread is just what I needed!

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DIYAutotune Loom update 140911

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Any questions please feel free to ask.

1) All sensors can be grounded on any ecu earth lead.

3) Hope the conflicting infomation is not in this thread !