Panel: Trauma-Informed Women in Leadership

FEATURED SPEAKERs
Deb Dana, LCSW | Author, Consultant, and Developer of the Rhythm of Regulation Training Series
Dr. Rola Hallam | Humanitarian, Trauma-Informed Life Coach, and Founder, CanDo
Maria Leister | Director, Harvard Program in Refugee Trauma

HOSTED BY
Kosha Joubert | Host, CEO of the Pocket Project, Former CEO of the Global Ecovillage Network

Kosha Joubert: Welcome back to the Collective Trauma Online Summit. My name is Kosha Joubert,
and I am one of the hosts of the summit, but also I work as CEO of the Pocket Project,
the non-for-profit entity in Thomas Huebl's field, where we dedicate our energy, our
love, to the global healing movement in the world, and to strengthening that,
especially in the area of integrating collective trauma. And as part of that, for the
past three years now, we've been running trauma informed leadership trainings to
global groups. We now have over 1,400 alumni from more than 70 countries around
the world. And this year we did something special because we've been noticing that
there's a very, very high percentage of women showing up to this kind of work. And
we thought it's time that we dedicate to space, to women, to women in leadership,
to empowering women in trauma-informed leadership.

So we offered a space for that this year. And today I have the joy to be here with you
with three other trainers of that training, women sharing their wisdom. And one of
these is Deb Dana who brings the lens of polyvagal theory to a practice of
befriending our nervous system as we move through the world. Rola Hallam who's a
medical doctor from Syria and who works on bringing new ways of support into war
torn places. And Maria Leister, who works as director for the Harvard program in
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refugee trauma. And I'm just so happy that these amazing, wonderful,
warm-hearted women are with me here today. And also that I'm able to get to know
them more deeply as part of this community of nearly 500 women going through
this training and course. And yeah, I'd love to start off by asking you all three about
leadership, which carries quite a bit of pain coming from the past. So what does
leadership mean to you, and what does it mean to you to be trauma informed? And
Deb, I'll hand it over to you to start to solve.

Deb Dana, LCSW: All right. And first I just want to say how lovely it is to be here, the four of us. It
feels already connecting and safe to begin to explore. So, yeah, leadership, I think
about leadership as a quality that emerges when we are anchored in enough safety
in our bodies. So that sense of regulation and safety then allows me to step into the
space of leadership because without that platform, my nervous system takes me to
survival energy. And survival energy makes it possible for me to command, I would
say, but not lead. And it feels very different to me. To be a leader is to be a part of a
community that's moving in a direction and I'm bringing some wisdom to that. And
I truly can only do that when I am feeling safe enough to bring that organization and
reach out and connect.

So, for me, as I look around, as I move through my professional world, I see many
people who we might consider leaders. And yet when I am in connection with them,
when I am with them or learning from them, it doesn't feel welcoming to my body,
to my nervous system. Very different from this experience here this morning where it
feels like we are sharing wisdom and collaborating, that I think is leadership. I think
competition is not, and competition emerges when I am in a state of fear, my biology
moves into dysregulation and fear emerges and then I have to do something or
should do something. And as soon as we move into those places, for me, I lose my
connection with safety and the ability to lead through connection, I think is what
I'm thinking of.

And then if you think about trauma-informed leadership, again for me, trauma,
there's so many different ways of thinking about it, but trauma is held in a
dysregulated nervous system, in a nervous system that moves into survival and can't
come back to safety and connection. So for me, trauma-informed leadership would
be leading through seeing others as regulated, dysregulated, and asking the
question, what does their nervous system need in this moment to feel a bit safer, to
feel ready to come into connection so that we could join together and move forward.
I think I'm going to leave it there. I think that speaks for what I feel right now.

Kosha: Yeah, it's beautiful, and I love that the way that you speak creates what you're
speaking of. So I feel myself sitting more fully in my leadership of a regulated

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nervous system now, so thank you. Yeah. And Rola, Maria, who of you would like to
pick the thread up here?

Maria Leister: I'm happy to Rola, if that's okay, because Deb said something that really resonated
with me and that I connect with in my own work. And this is the notion of
competition. So as a lawyer and my background in law and my background in
changing systems and influencing while other leaders show up. It's interesting how
through my observations of leadership, the best types of leadership are when groups
of diverse professionals get together and listen and hear what each other has to say.
Very similar to what we're doing now, we all come from very different backgrounds.
All four of us come from very different backgrounds, and we're here today to create a
synergy and provide information and hopefully provide some inspiration as well.
And in my work of trauma, typically I would look for the violations, particularly in
human rights work or going in to repair those things that have been broken or torn
apart.

And it's in this violation that I see this opportunity. What leadership means to me
really is to be able to recognize, fully recognize when those violations have
happened because sometimes they're not as overt as we may think they are, they can
come discreetly. So, a leader, a trauma-informed leader is someone who is able to
recognize when it happens, when those violations happen. And it's also the ability to
go into those spaces to attend to what happened and to have the capabilities and
the courage to go into those spaces. And I know that we'll talk a little bit about this
later, but as women many times what we seek globally is that women are thrown
into those positions more easily and we find ourselves in those positions because of
geopolitical forces, because of systemic influences.

And so it takes a special and a different type of leadership in that regard to be able to
really discern how we show up in those spaces for each other and how we begin to
create systems or change those systems through a relational lens to be able to really
start healing. Healing in the sense of not only the work that Deb does or Rola does,
but healing the entire systems and the structures that may have caused those
violations. So I'll take a pause there.

Kosha: Thank you. And Rola?

Dr. Rola Hallam: So, as the oldest of four, I thought that being a leader was being the boss above
everybody else for quite a while. But joking aside, I think for the longest time for me,
leadership was about taking responsibility and I think part of becoming an advocate
and an activist was in keeping myself accountable and in taking responsibility for
being the change and wanting to create the change that I wanted to see. So, that
took me to very many places, including Syria, my home country, which has been war

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torn for these last 12 years. And I'm embarrassed to say that I only know what
trauma informed me is because I was horribly trauma uninformed. I was saying to
myself, wow, it's amazing how untraumatized I am considering 30 members of my
family have been killed, considering how many severely bent children I've treated
considering all the devastation.

And it really took falling into a massive hole, I call it my valley of darkness burnout
and going on my own healing journey and actually learning what trauma really was
to realize, my God, it had taken up home in every cell of my body, I just didn't know
what it smelled, looked, sounded, and felt like. And so now for me, each former
informed, and at least what it means for me is I have gone on my own healing
journey, and that now I have the conviction in the power of vulnerability to stand up
and share my valley of darkness journey so that I can be role modeling for others.
That you can stand in that vulnerability that you can admit where you were not
informed and where you did learn and where you did grow and where you did
evolve and where you did heal, and lead from that place.

People have often said, I used to really cringe and say, your work is really inspiring,
and I really, really used to cringe about it until I actually got curious. And I was like,
but what is it that is inspiring? And the answer I got all the time was that you're
walking the walk. And I think that's what people really want from all of us, is you are
walking the walk, you're not just talking the talk, you are being authentic, you're
upholding your values, and when you screw up or when you've got it wrong, you
say, I got it wrong, and there is such a power in that.

Kosha: Yeah, amazing. I'm just happy for the power of what you just said, Rola. Trauma had
taken place in every cell of my body and I didn't know how to recognize it. And in a
way, I would say that is what's also happened to humanity as a whole. That trauma
has taken place, has situated itself and every cell of our global human body and we
didn't know how to recognize it and we're just starting to really wake up to it. And
the other beautiful thing, I also want to highlight this seeing fully what you brought
Maria, the witnessing of what is happening, our capacity to actually see and maybe
also notice the places where habit is wanting us to look away and the vulnerability
that maybe in those places where I notice that my nervous system is not regulated.
When I find myself in a leadership position, how do I work with that?

How do I express that? Where do I search for support? So I'm just touched by this
conversation. I know how often I grapple with these questions in my role and just
grateful to go deeper here. And because you come from such deep and as all of us,
the depth of where we come from and including the lineages that we come from that
go back through time. But just to hear a little snippet, maybe opening a window into

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an experience in your life that brought you to your decision or I don't know whether
it was a decision or you were pushed to step into trauma-informed leadership.

Dr. Rola: So I think that so very many of us normalize the abnormal. And back to what you
were talking about, Maria, these violations with some of us, you might witness it on
TV with some of it, you might be witnessing it face-to-face and dealing with those
injustices or even worse, the indifference on a daily basis. And I think we get to
normalize a lot of abnormal and we don't realize when our system is going into great
and greater states of dysregulation. That's if you were ever regulated, which is
another matter, right? Because so many of us didn't even grow up regulated.

And I thought I was fine until really I wasn't. And I remember on the 10th
anniversary of the Syria war, I was giving an interview on the BBC and I had an out
of body experience. I literally just watched myself and I was like, what the... I can't
believe I'm still talking about hospitals being bombed. I can't believe I'm still talking
about children and school being bombed. It's been 10 years. And in that moment,
the whole world disappeared around me and I just felt like the world's biggest
failure. And that just really started a whole period of an emotional rollercoaster of
sobs that I just didn't know I had coming out from God knows where, and really just
feeling utterly dysfunctional. And that was really, I then zigzagged and thought I'm
a doctor, I must know how to deal with this. And then I realized that actually
unfortunately my medical training had really woefully prepared me to recognize it,
let alone to do anything about it.

And it took learning from people like Deb Dana and various other teachers to
recognize and realize what trauma is and realize how much it had affected me. And
then guess what? You start to see it everywhere. Then I realized I am swimming in an
ocean of severely burnt out and traumatized health and healing workers. I realized
that actually there are so many of us who were there who are meant to be a healing
presence for our world, but actually we were all deeply dysregulated and
traumatized. And so that's why I am now so passionate about not just sharing my
experience, but supporting other frontline responders and health workers to help
them get trauma informed so that they can bring that health and healing to
themselves to be that healing presence that we all need.

Kosha: Deb, would you like to pick up there?

Deb: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm sitting back and listening to Maria and Rola, and again in
that place of really feeling of a heartfelt joy in the work you do, which then also takes
me to the place of feeling, which is interesting, a misfit experience for me because
my work is I don't go into these places. I stand back and help people. I'd like to help
the world understand their nervous system so that they can then be connected in

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these ways and go into, and I work with the people who are suffering with vicarious
trauma and burnout and how do we help systems do it differently? But when I was
sitting listening and I went back to my early experiences of feeling like a misfit,
which took me to this place of wanting to create something different.

I've always felt in my education and in my living my life that I didn't quite belong,
that sense of not belonging and rather well, at some point feeling this isn't going to
change, so I need to change. Do I need to change it? And so coming into that place of
stepping into creating something that doesn't follow the usual way, and I guess that
was my step into leadership, I think I didn't think about it like that in the time it was
more of a survival state. I can't keep feeling this way and moving through my life
and contributing. I've always felt a longing to change the world in some way, and I
can't do it when I feel as though I am not welcome. So I think that was my entry into
creating something where it looks different, where people feel welcome no matter
what they're doing and how they're doing it, they're welcome.

And then I think that place helps people then tune into their embodied experience.
This is what you did, really, you were disconnected from that and your nervous
system had to speak louder and louder and louder to get your attention. I think
that's probably what my nervous system was doing. I didn't have that language back
then, I do now, but that sense of, oh, there's something important I need to hear and
listen to so that I can then do what Maria talks about, walk into and witness because
I can't witness if I'm not here, here being here regulated, right?

Instead of healing presence or a true loving witness, I become a threat to the other
person. If I am dysregulated, I become a threat no matter what my brain intention is.
And I think that's really the place that I want to invite people into to be able to
anchor in their own regulation because then each of us finds our way to become a
leader. And as I'm saying all that and watching your smiles and your faces, and
you're welcome. I can feel okay, there is a place here, I do fit. So, thank you for that.
Thank you for that.

Kosha: Beautiful. Yeah. Two things I noticed so far. One thing is that it seems as if the places
where the wounds live is also the places that the treasure comes out of, which is so
interesting, right? That many people don't want to go to trauma because it's so dark
and it's the shadow. But that's also where the treasurer lies is one thing I hear from
both. So, yeah. Maria, how about you?

Maria: So many things I could say based on what Deb just shared and Rola shared, but for
me, I think the most important piece here is the importance of lived experience that
Rola spoke a lot about. And in my own personal journey, life's journey, as a young
new graduate of law school, working with people seeking asylum in the United

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States, I didn't recognize at all what was happening internally for me when I sat
there across the desk from individuals who were telling me their trauma stories. And
it was my job as a young 20 something year old to write these stories in a way that
would convince immigration judges to approve their asylum applications. And I
would go home every day carrying the weight of their stories and not understanding
what was happening to me. But then also wondering things like how many times
did my client share this awful story with other people along the way in their
journeys to convince somebody that they needed relief from their suffering?

How many times and how many times were they re-traumatized? And then how
does my questioning contribute to their increased level of suffering? So I didn't
know how to handle all of this as a young professional and similar to you, Rola, no
one in law school taught me any of these skills to be able to work with clients like I
was working with the level of care and concern that they deserve. So, on top of this,
it took me many, many years, many decades to realize what brought me to that work
in the first place. And it was my own experience of being an orphan in South Korea
back in the seventies of being in a Korea where they were opening up their doors to
democracy, where there was military occupation for decades and decades. And
where there was a military dictatorship where people who look like me who were of
many different ethnic backgrounds, we weren't allowed to be in that country.

And where I was finally exiled from the nation, I didn't realize that all of those
experiences I was carrying in my body and in my cells to use your words, I didn't
realize I was carrying all of that to my work, working with individuals seeking safety
and security and a relief from suffering. And it took me many, many years after
working with those clients to finally start integrating my personal lived experience
with those individuals I wanted to help so deeply. And it was there that I realized
that to bring my own lived experience to my work to show up fully and showing up
fully to me means what we're talking about today. And that is to be a true
trauma-informed leader as a woman, bringing my experiences to the table, being
vulnerable, being able to share what I experienced and then also being able to say,
I'm still going through that, yet here are all the things that I've learned in my journey
and this is how I can possibly support and help and care for individuals and
populations who are being presented to me.

Kosha: Wow, I feel very moved hearing each of you. And there's something about the
sentence that you said that you and echoing what Rola and Deb had said, that you
didn't learn how to offer the people you were working with, the care and the concern
that they deserve. And the universality of that experience that we do not learn or
let's say in the western world or I don't want to say because for sure there's
indigenous pockets where I think young people do grow up learning exactly that.

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There's pockets in the world, but most of us grow up literally having no idea how we
could bring to the world, to other humans, to all living beings, the care and the
concern and the respect and the humility in ourselves that they deserve. And I was
very touched the World Economic Forum each year, or they didn't do it during
COVID I believe, but they bring out a map of global risk perception.

So what is seen globally as carrying the highest risk and mental health issues have
come out of nowhere, like in the 2020 map there, were not really even on the map,
they've come to sit centrally in the middle. And when I believe that, especially in
young people, topics like climate anxiety, but whatever job you go in, the sense of
not knowing how to bring the care and the concern that in our hearts we know we
want to bring, we wish to bring, we can feel how needed it is as soon as we feel the
world that this is what is most needed and there's such a not knowing around it that
touches me deeply, the levels of anxiety, of depression, of seeking, and also to say
how many people with amazing leadership skills hidden are not able to fully bring it
out because of this gap. Right?

So thank you for all of your work and it leads me to this next question. What do you
feel passionately is needed for the global healing movement to thrive and to grow?
That's a big question and it bulls of course on things that you've already said, but
what would you ask the listeners here to get? What would you like the world to,
where would you like us to start? And Maria, maybe this time you start.

Maria: I'd be happy to. I'm feeling very passionate about right now in this sense of urgency
as well about the issue of forced migration globally and the increasing rates of
individuals and populations who are forced to leave their homes, whatever they
consider their homes. And it's concerning to me because of the increased rates of
conflict, global conflict and climate change that is really disrupting how humans
and also the environments are able to live on this planet and are then subsequently
forced to leave their places of comfort. And I think about even in the United States
where the increased rates of people who are being internal displaced that have never
seen it before, are facing this issue of needing to not just leave their homes but also
get along with each other.

So how do we now get along with each other in civil discourse where we are coming
together as very diverse communities, where we are coming together as very
different cultures, and we are now faced with the reality that we have to begin to get
along and learn how to care for each other because if we don't, we're losing those
spaces where we can feel comfortable. We are losing those spaces where we can call
our homes because the planet can't sustain the way that we're living for much
longer. So changes need to be made here and how do we thrive and grow in this new
environment? I don't know the exact answers right now, but I think part of it has to
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do with rethinking how we relate to one another, rethinking how we bring in new
neighbors, especially new neighbors that have been displaced from places where
they may have come from very different cultures.

And also reorganizing how we communicate and relate to each other in ways that
we're building new societies. I think that's where we might want to start. Hopefully
Rola and Deb have other ideas because I don't know that I have the best solution,
but I think that's where we can start.

Dr. Rola: So when I emerged from my valley of darkness, I found the line by the poet and Sufi
mystic Rumi that so beautifully encapsulated one of my major lessons. And he says,
"Yesterday I was clever, so I tried to change the world. Today, I am wise, so I'm
changing myself." And I think the global healing movement would benefit greatly
from each one of us doing the work that we each need to do on ourselves, for
ourselves to move from that clever to wise, to really prioritize our healing, our
growth, and our own evolution, not from a place of selfishness, but to recognize that
is my highest act of care and compassion for myself and for all around me.

I feel like that for me helped me transition from the savior that I thought I was with
the superwoman cape on, I'm off to save the world to saying, no, my role is to be my
most healed best version of myself and be a north star for someone during their own
dark night of the soul so that they too may find their way back to oneness and back
to wholeness. And so it's really how to bring it home for each one of us knowing very
profoundly that you cannot heal the world if you're deeply traumatized and you
cannot bring down systems of prejudice and oppression if you despise yourself. And
you cannot bring global peace if you have a conflict raging within. So it really, we are
the microcosm reflected in the macrocosm. And so do you look after you, especially if
you are in a position of leadership, especially if you are that someone who's there to
be a healing, meant to be a healing presence, do that work because that is the surest
way to be able to energize and uplift and heal everyone else around.

Deb: That is so beautiful. And I love what Marie, you said about relational. It's a relational
change we need to make. And Rola, you're bringing us here to this relationship first,
right? The relationship to our own being is where it begins. And I know the humility,
the humbleness, that the way I keep bumping up against the fact that I teach this
much better than I practice it for myself, and I think many of us do. We keep coming
to this place of, oh, right. Now I've got to do this again. But when you're all talking,
it's interesting to me that when I look at these systems that are so big and
overwhelming to me, and I don't know where to go, I come back here because this is
where I can be responsible. And if I am in a place of biological regulation, I am
putting that energy out into the world and every being around me, every nervous
system around me feels that, right?
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There's a transmission that happens nervous system to nervous system, whether I'm
talking as we are or whether I'm just moving through the world. And I think that is a
powerful thing for us to recognize that we are responsible for the autonomic
information we're putting out into the world. And when we walk through the world
from this place of regulation, we are letting every being around us know that we are
safe and inviting them to feel that and come into connection. And I think, I joke, I say
we change the world, one nervous system at a time, but I do think this is how it
begins. And we get enough, a critical mass of people who are feeling safe enough
and none of us feel this all the time.

We all move into survival and find our way back to safety, that happens all the time,
normal expected experience, but not getting stuck in survival, coming back to safety.
And when enough of us can do that, then I think the systems will begin to change
and we will have people in leadership positions and who can go in and say, here is
how these systems can change. So I think I'm going to stay on the individual nervous
system. Let me do that work. And then the two of you are going to carry that upward
and forward. How about that?

Kosha: Beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. And just as you'll speak this, and you speak about healing
Rola as coming home to oneness and wholeness, it reminds me also of the Hopi
prophecy, which says the time of the lone wolf is over. And exactly as you just said,
that we are providing each other with a space. And as you said, Maria, that this in
the moments where there might be fear, who is this new neighbor? Can we speak
out a welcoming? Can we welcome each other in a place where, in a world where
there's so much fear and to be part of the oneness is a higher trust, that there is
something moving through all of us that really none of us have to do this alone? We
cannot do this alone. The time of the idea of the hero, the lone wolf is over and each
of us has our unique contribution and a trust.

I think Thomas Huebl said this one time that if each of us would fully rest in our
purpose in this life and express that fully, none of us would've too much to do, and
together we would respond perfectly as the healing movement that goes global.
That is my dream. And I feel like it's so wonderful to be on that path. You say, oh, I'll
just stay down here and work on one nervous system at a time that actually we're all
part of this amazing opening, collective opening into that care and concern that is
needed. Yeah. Beautiful. So we're already closing in on the completion. We want to
leave all of you listeners hanging on and wanting more. But yeah, maybe just some
last words of what has touched in you, what would you like to leave us with?
Whoever wishes to go first?

Deb: I think I'd like to leave us with a reminder that that place of safety and connection,
that place of biological regulation, lives inside all of us, inside every human, it is
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biologically present. And it may be a place that you haven't been able to find recently
or visit often or feel like you spend a lot of time in, but I tell people, you have a home
there. You have a home in this place in your nervous system, this brain body
connection that will then allow you to move through the world in this new way. So
just that reminder that I think our nervous systems inherently long to help us get to
this place and inherently know the way. So when you begin to touch on that path,
your nervous system will continue to help you get there. And I think that's the hope
that I'd like us to all hold and carry with us.

Maria: And I want to reflect on really the power and the beauty of bringing together a
diverse group of individuals like us here today, and the synergy, and I've learned so
much from all of you already, and the ideas and the solutions that come from
bringing it together, our lived experiences and our professional experiences and how
we can come together and solve some of the world's biggest problems or as we like
to call it, the enormity problems of the day. Because to solve those enormity
problems, it requires that we come together and step over those professional and
personal boundaries that make us feel like we need to be separate and working as
lone wolves, as cautious as. So coming together and working together I think is the
best way to move forward in our reality today.

Dr. Rola: I almost don't want this conversation to end. So what really came up for me when
you asked that was about how a trauma-informed leader is one who looks at things
and deals with things holistically. And it has enabled me when I'm working with
teammates, colleagues, even within family or friends, to really see that whole
person, your spiritual dimension, emotional, physical, mental dimensions, and
really at the heart of that holistic approach, whichever way you get to do your own
trauma-informed approach and your own healing, how much compassion sits at the
heart of it all. You cannot heal trauma within yourself or within anyone else. And
you cannot really, by definition, I think, become trauma-informed until you have
developed yourself compassion and therefore you can radiate it out to other people.
It really is, I feel the central tool and the central force at the heart of all of it.

And I think that speaks to what you were talking about, Maria, with the refugee
crisis and the migration crisis. I think when we know our own pain, we get to know
other people's pain and that compassion starts from within us. So, I guess that's just
my parting comment to all of us here. It may feel overwhelming, but start with you
and feel you bring compassion to you in everything that you have felt, really look
after your whole person. And that will surely then help you to radiate that out and
bring that to your leadership in whichever capacity. It is

Kosha: Amazing what a shower, it feels like a blessing listening to you, and maybe just to
add one voice myself to what you've shared. And I feel that giving myself permission
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and understanding that me feeling you has an effect and that taking the time to
sense into someone before I speak, to sense into my team, before I come to them, to
sense into a system, a tree before I touch, and to sense into myself before I judge
myself. Yeah. So, just bringing that to the pot and yeah, beautiful. I feel so deeply
grateful to all three of you.

And I can say that for me as a woman in a small scope of leadership, it means the
world that there are other women in leadership, amazing leaders in the world like
you, who shine in the way that you do with vulnerability, humility, love. I'm sorry
maybe that's too sweet, but for me it just means the world that you're here on the
planet at the same time. Thank you so much for being here, and I know there's so
many of us out here, so thank you to all of you for being here today.

Maria: I just feel blessed and I feel so honored to be a part of this group and part of the
summit, and it's just amazing to know that there are so many people out there that
we can't see. Learning and resonating with each other. And so it just feels like a true
blessing.

Kosha: Yeah, beautiful. And I'll just say maybe even a gift from my side that you're warmly
invited to visit the Pocket Project website, pocketproject.org, where we have so many
free calls. So if you want more of these spaces, you want spaces to practice in this
community, that's one of the places to go where we support each other as we unfold
the global healing movement together. So, thank you so much to you all for being
here today, and thank you to everybody who is hosting this summit in so many
ways. Even by participating, you're supporting it to happen. So, thank you for being
here. Thank you for your care and your concern for the world. Thank you.

Dr. Rola: Thank you.

Deb: Thank you.

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