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The attitude of Russian Orthodox Church to the books by S. Lazarev What is the attitude of Russian Orthodox Church to the series of books 'The Clean Karma' by S. Lazarev? Rostislav Dear Rostislav, Lazarev, as many others, uses extrasensory abilities of man. He calls them 'the field' or 'karma' (i.e. quite different from their meaning in Hinduism). He uses his field as an instrument, by which he interferes into the field of his patient and tries to correct it. Lazarev does not prove that his corrections are true or adequate. He proceeds from his subjective experience and assures the reader that his experience is right. But Lazarev does not explain what gives him such confidence. He just suggests us to trust him, to believe in him. And many do. One should be afraid of such doctrines as of the dangerous and insolent intrusions into the inner world of man without God. Only the One Who created man can cure him. Priest Andrey Logrus 31.10.99 *** I've read the books of Lazarev 'The Diagnostics of Karma'. The main cause of recovery as the author sums up is the love to God and to one's neighbour. At the same time he operates such concepts as reincarnation and some other

Buddhist motives. What should be the attitude to his activity? Ighor Dear Ighor, The books of Lazarev are influenced not only by the Buddhist doctrine, but by the Christian as well, since there is the theme of repentance. But basically he is a liar, because he won't tell by what forces he cures. These are not human forces and not God's forces, but of spiritual quality, so they are 'dark' forces. Priest Andrey Logrus 20.09.00 *** Hi, I've read your answer on the question about Lazarev's books: The books of Lazarev are influenced not only by the Buddhist doctrine, but by the Christian as well, since there is the theme of repentance. But basically he is a liar, because he won't tell by what forces he cures. These are not human forces and not God's forces, but of spiritual quality, so they are 'dark' forces. Why do you think the author won't tell by what forces he cures? He tells about it in his books on every page. Many times he had told that he didn't cure, but helped the patient to recover. What is the ground for such an opinion? If the author himself tells that one cannot recover without love to God, why do you call him a liar? Yegor

Dear Yegor, I really think he is a liar, because he tells about correction of the field of man. He intrudes with his hands and his mind into the space of human soul, he tells about straightening, correcting karma. It's him who corrects it. He knows that he intrudes into the soul of man, not revealing how deep and in what way he enters the inner world of man. He acts occultly, because firstly he doesn't fully understand himself what he is doing, and secondly, he doesn't tell a man what he's doing. He tries to explain rationally what his hands and mind do. His gift surpasses his understanding, that is why his books are lie and his practice is dangerous. He doesn't quite understand what he is doing. He acts blindly. And his forces aren't purified from the sin. God had given no right to anyone to intrude into the privy rooms of the human soul, except the saints, and only by the special benevolence. And Lazarev

doesn't strive to purification and sanctity, though he tells about repentance. But the Lord can create the good from the evil, correcting the evil by His Wisdom. I know and witness: many people, directed by Lazarev to repentance, remained in the Church forever! Priest Andrey Logrus 24.10.00 *** What is the right attitude to the content of The Diagnostics of Karma by Lazarev? Simon, a Moscow student Dear Simon, you should regard it as a doctrine containing an idea of reincarnation, which was denounced by the Church at the fifth Oecumenical Council. Lazarev does not suggest anything new: partially there is some echoing of Gnosticism, though I doubt that he should know such a word at all, partially the motives from Blavatskaya and theosophy at a very primitive level. If you'd like to read a refutation of the similar doctrines (more serious than Lazarev's one), I can recommend you a book by Deacon Andrei Kuraev "Satanism for Intellectuals" *** Tell me please, how to regard the activity of Lazarev and his books The Diagnostics of Karma? Vlad Dear Vlad, Answering your question: Lazarev himself often emphasizes that his conception has been formed in the process of extrasensory and bioenergetics practical work with patients, and confesses that on his way to bioenergetics he learnt the magic techniques and witchcraft (The DK. Book I, p.7). Developing his theory he derived much from the occult practices. It's impossible to enumerate all the diversity of occult and spiritualist methods and techniques used by Lazarev (it would take half a page), but what is important here - Lazarev took for the basis what God unambiguously prohibits. Thus, the doctrine of Lazarev contradicts to Orthodoxy and can bring nothing except the death of a soul.

Best wishes, Hegumen Aleksey, Superior of the monastery *** On my way to Orthodoxy I have collected lots of books from Roerichs and Gurdzhiev to Lazarev and the manuals on regular mode of living like those by Malakhov and Shatalova, not to mention the fiction like Richard Bach or Konkordia Antarova ('Two Lives'). Should I destroy all that? Won't it be an act of vandalism? These are the works of people who were seeking for truth, and its grains are scattered everywhere. Irina Dear Irina, In the Acts we read that after the sermon of Paul at Ephesus (Acts19.19.). Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. Was it an act of vandalism? The grains of truth are scattered everywhere and are often mixed with lie. Will you keep a barrel of honey with a spoonful of tar in it? Evil often hides under disguise of truth. Whether it was a deliberate deception or sincere delusion - leave it on the conscience of those seekers of truth you've listed. God alone knows. But I think it isn't worth while collecting rejected delusions. If you keep such literature it can avert somebody from Orthodoxy and prevent to learn the truth. Of course there are works of fiction, whose authors were also mistaken in their searching of truth, but which, nevertheless, rank among the treasures of world literature. I'm not speaking of them. Let God instruct you. With love of Christ, Archpriest Arkadiy Shatov *** And once more, to be sure: 'Is it obligatory to burn the occult literature (astrology, R.Bach etc) or can I destroy these books by tearing them into pieces?' Elena

Though the Bible often mentions burning the books in the (Acts 19.19): "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver", but you can throw out the soul-deranging literature into the dust-bin, tearing it into pieces beforehand, so that they could seduce no one again. With love of Christ, Archpriest Arkadiy Shatov
And so did I a few years ago after I had 'de-karmated' myself. Tore them into two - and threw into the dust-bin. up

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who live for long-long/for only 1000-1100 reincarnations? What is the ULTIMATE goal? ***
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'Alas, the souls of our contemporaries are morbid to such an extent that the Lord tolerates strange adventures to make these souls move. It's Him who guides the man across this swampy soil. This swampy soil may be better than no ground at all under one's feet. But if you stop there it can swallow you up. Therefore, jumping from hillock to hillock, try to reach the mainland - the rock of the Church.' (c) Dear Lazarev followers, don't stop on the swampy soil of the karmadiagnostic marsh. Try to reach the mainland.

*** /Here we have got a similar note about 'The Diagnostics of Karma' by Lazarev. And again it is outside the framework of the Christianity, science, sound human reason and sound mind. You see Suppose a person believes an idea of karma. It's not a Christian idea, but let him, if he wants to. Basically, the idea of Karma may be interpreted in terms of moral benefit for man. If a person says, for example: "My illness is a result of such and such sins I've made in my previous incarnation". This explanation can be wrong - it is wrong from the Christian point of view, but it is still moral. But Lazarev is saying quite a different thing everywhere. "You are ill because your grandmother had made an abortion". I apologize, but it is called 'the sin of Ham' - spying upon one's parents sins, or even more - inventing them and imputing them to my parents for my illnesses nowadays./

Source: A printout of the answers to the questions from the audio lecture of the deacon A.Kuraev "On the Contribution of the Christianity to modern culture".(The deacon is a clergyman. Let me remind you that from Lazarev's point of view they are "the specialists in the domain of moral and spiritual work")

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"A premature striving to develop in oneself the feeling of love to God is already a state of self-delusion." St.Ignatiy Bryanchaninov "Many ascetics mistook the common feeling of love for the love to God; they excited their blood and evoked their dreaminess. A state of excitement easily transforms into ecstasy. Those in the state of excitement and ecstasy were easily mistaken by many for the ones full of grace, but these miserable ones were only the victims of self-deception." Ignatiy Bryanchaninov, the bishop, vol.1, 'About Love to God, p.128

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Why does the Church reject Lazarev & Co? I was banned at Lazarev's forum / The Terminator... :))

I declare myself to be Laarev!

S.N. Lazarev About the Origins of his 'Divine' Lazarev writes that Jesus Christ deserves a golden monument Laposcopy. Rereading classics of karmizm - reincarnizm / A man wanted to repent ***

Even Lazarev Sometimes Says Sensible Things!

'Tell me, says the patient, if all the men, as says the Bible will build the temple in their hearts, and not outside, may be very soon the religions will become unnecessary?' 'Tell me, please, do you know our legislation well enough?' I asked him. 'More or less', he shrugs his shoulders. 'But if you are to resolve a serious question, you won't decide it by yourself, will you? You'll turn to an experienced lawyer. The same way the priests are the specialists - in the field of moral and spiritual work.' (The Diagnostics of Karma, book 3)

Guys, do you believe these words of Lazarev about priests as the specialists - in the field of moral and spiritual work. If you do, then, deciding a serious spiritual question - which way to get close to God, you apparently will not rely on your experience and knowledge, but turn to the specialists, i.e. the priests, for consultation, who, unlike Lazarev and lawyers do not take any money for that. So, go to the nearest Orthodox temple (since Orthodoxy had proved its verity by thousands of years -Catholic and Protestant Churches are less than 1000 years old), ask for the most experienced priest there, show him the books of Lazarev and ask him a straightforward question of the kind: "Father, can I reach God relying upon these books?" I think you can guess what will say the _s p e c i a l i s t_ about these books and their author.
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//A question: A part of the priests consider your doctrine to be devilish. There are many contradictions with Christianity: karma and the previous lives, the advice not to strive for the Christian ideals, rejection of the claims to oneself (absence of repentance), a program of self-destruction and so on. Any refutations? The answer of Lazarev: Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism also contradict to Christianity, since they assert the idea of reincarnation. But I would refrain from calling them heresies, all the more that they appeared before Christianity//(The DK-5) Thus, S.N. Lazarev himself confirms that his system contradicts to Christianity (but he is not really upset about the fact). From this we can draw a conclusion that it's impossible to be both a Christian believer and a follower of Lazarev. When a Christian follows Lazarev s/he stops being Christian at the same time. It is possible to believe that Christianity and Lazarev's doctrine are compatible only by virtue of ignorance - because s/he knows little about both of them. If a person knows both these doctrines well and considers him/herself to be an adept of both, then s/he might have a split personality. Dear Lazarev's followers, either you are ignorant or you are twice as many as you seem. :) By the way, Christianity appeared long before the doctrine of Lazarev.

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A problem:

"At the same time Christ said: "If somebody is destined to betray me, he is condemned to do it, but woe is the one who does it." - The DK-8 by Lazarev Attention, a question: Where did Lazarev take these words from? Of course we understand that Lazarev's followers love him not only for his religious ignorance and non-professionalism But nevertheless If Lazarev is unable to open a material "heavy-layer" Bible and to write out correctly the quotations into his Diagnostics, why do you consider him capable to give a correct judgment about 'subtle layers' and other spiritual problems? His position can be easily explained: 'Why bother myself? That will do for them!' But why do you let him feed you with all that stuff?

*** Browsing over Lazarev places of the Web:

The Official Site of Mr.Lazarev Its old mirror The Current Guestbook of Mr.Lazarev (they will consider first whether to accept your question
there or not)

The Old Guestbook of Mr.Lazarev (guests still continue to unmoderatedly ask their questions
there)

The Old Forum of Mr.Lazarev The New Forum of Mr.Lazarev The Newest Forum of Mr.Lazarev (official) - new! Lazarev's Chat Gallery (photos of chat / forum participants are available there)
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Extra English links:

An Orthodox Christian Journal for Doubting Thomases - interesting! Cosmic mentors, humanoids, energy allies, UFOs - myth or reality? - great! (a sort of
encyclopedia)

"Even A Rock Concert Can Be A Sermon."

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