FB Inquiry into Reincarnation on-1.11.

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Angie Angel I have a question – It’s about reincarnation. What is it that

reincarnates? Is it the ego- or does it die with the body? Is it the soul - but
isn’t soul supposed to be pure and therefore should not be carrying any
impressions with it after leaving the physical realm? If it’s all a dream then
does it mean a series of dream in the form of several lives? Could someone
please throw some light on this topic?

Kora Koos It is humanity or human consciousness that incarnates and

reincarnates through the process of procreation. Every individual person is a
unit and unique representative of human consciousness that underlies every
single unit. It is the universe that incarnates and reincarnates through human
consciousness and reproduction. Every human being is thus an incarnation
of the whole geosphere and biosphere. Moving from the divisive and petty
sense of separation through association and identification with a body-mind
complex having a particular personal history and reaching the grander,
macrocosmic view of existence, this question of personal or self
reincarnation just extinguishes.

Om Kiran most comprehensive answer, I have ever come across , to this oft
asked Question, @Kora Koos...fits in perfectly, erasing all
contradictions.......

Kora Koos @kiran dear. Thanks for the appreciation.

Angie Angel does the unique representation of human consciousness persist

as a separate unit even after death and then get born as such?

Kora Koos What would existence or humanity do again with an already

projected form with a unique and particular history? Every time, a unique
unit is born, whether it is human, dog, cat, virus, etc. This may appear as a
devastating statement to a self that clings to the idea of immortality. The self
or embodied consciousness is not immortal. This can be verified on a day-to-
day basis, directly and immediately. Pranaam.

Angie Angel @ KK- Thanks for that link (Vedic Revelations on scribd.com)
.Will go through it. If there is continuity of an embodied consciousness then
what is it that bears the fruit of karma said to be earned in previous lifetimes!

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Om Kiran actually Angie, this line of thought if taken further would, by my
perception, stand in direct contradiction with the Karmic
Philosophy.....where we speak of Liberation of the Individual Soul ....while
it is not my aim to contradict anything, my intention being merely
exploration .......I find that KK is saying exactly what my Consciousness
perceives as the Truth.....

Kora Koos So Liberation is NOW! Action is NOW! Forgiveness is NOW!

Repentance is NOW! Meditation is NOW! Eternity is NOW!

Angie Angel that’s exactly what I’m trying to explore too! Om Kiran.
Reincarnation and karmic philosophy seem to go hand in hand. One can’t
have one without the other. Hence, the confusion!

Om Kiran that is where KK's take about the incarnation of the Human
Consciousness, opens up a whole new avenue...I checked that Link
KK...thank you. I find it most helpful...

Angie Angel I was just going through it, I think I’ll have to read it again at
leisure to really comprehend it Thank you so much !

Kora Koos Thanks OMji! Contradiction seems to be in mind only dear.

There is no contradiction between the Gita and the Vedas. Every human
being, though unique, is also Manava, not a new entity because it is the
manifestation of the already manifest human consciousness (a manifestation
of existence in a species). Some ingredients of the lives of past units will
definitely flow into a new and unique form, which results in an upliftment of
the general quality of human consciousness at any given point in time.
Consciousness is basically living information, which is definitely a build up
from past experiences. The key is to view it all from a wider humanic
perspective than from a constricted personal self level. Pranaam.

Kora Koos @Angie. check an earlier post if u are interested and available.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=157848897574731 (see below)

Kora Koos All this is Meditation, not intellectual argumentation, dear!

Om Kiran this needs in-depth study Angie..not to jump to any

conclusions.......i would not deviate from the assertions of the Geeta so
easily......i am looking for any misinterpretation that might come to
light.......the human mind after all is not infallible...

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John Wilson Angie, this question is primary. An intellectual answer would
be inappropriate: each must re-member/re-experience their own re-
incarnation. Then you will know that from which you emerged into the
incarnated/embodied world. Knowing this unity/hiranyagarbha/golden
womb will help you remember that you never really left it. Then duality
melts into Reality. Humanity is an interesting answer, though I'd suspect that
include "all sentient beings" in that notion.

Kora Koos Rightly pointed out, sir. Humanity is a fragment of the whole
biosphere and thus each individual is a unique and unit representative or
incarnation of the whole biosphere (and geosphere). Thanks for the pointing.
Greetings.

Phalgun Desai Reincarnation implies a reincarnating self. There is no such

thing. The bundle of memories and hopes, called the 'I', imagines itself
existing everlastingly and creates time to accommodate its false eternity: to
be, i need no past or future.... All experience is born of imagination. All
exists in awareness and awareness neither dies nor is reborn. It is the
changeless reality itself. - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Ravi Dadlani " but isn’t soul supposed to be pure..." It is all a matter of
perspective. The highest understanding is that the "Soul" = "Brahman". If
the soul is supposed to be pure than who is in delusion, a separate self? By
definition all is one without a second. If there is strong identification with
the world of name and form then re-incarnation is real, if there is only
identification with the SELF, then what remains to be re-incarnated after the
death of this body?.

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Reference of link above”

Who are we really as human beings?

by Kora Koos on Friday, 17 September 2010 at 22:23

During a friendly meeting, a good friend and seeker of truth recently asked:
“Who are we really as human beings?”

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We are “humans” and “being” at the same time. Human is the perishable
aspect that is born through the process of procreation and sustained through
food, love, security, education and history. We all have a particular history
as a human person, born from the union of a given biological father and a
given biological mother, in a given family, in a given set of circumstances,
on a given date, under given climatic conditions, in a given country, at a
given historical juncture, in a given political and social milieu, in a given
religious community, and undergoing a number of experiences during a
whole lifetime starting from birth through infancy, through childhood,
through adolescence, through adulthood, through parenthood, through
education, work, associations, through retirement, to old age and death. The
totality of events and experiences associated with such a human individual,
when collected and recollected, makes the particular person we feel and
think we are. Each human person, given his or her specific set of
circumstances, whether genetic, biological, environmental, psychological,
social, cultural, political, climatic, etc, is a unique individual. However,
being given that we share a number of events and experiences with other
individuals in society, which tends to control and regulate our behaviour, we
develop a number of commonalities as members of the community.

However, my identity, as a unique personality and a socialised member of

the community to which I belong or identify with, is only a partial definition
of myself. I do not just live in the mind-space as an ego with a limited
history and in the human world-space as a member of the human world but
also in the boundless universe-space as a microcosmic representation of the
universe. Over and above being one among the multitude living
representatives of the human race, of the human mind, I am also a living unit
and a unique representative of the whole universe amongst other
representatives throughout the biosphere: the world of living entities.

As a living and conscious unit and unique representation of the universe, I

am like an instrument of experience for the boundless universe. I am, so to
say, the whole universe experiencing itself in its multiple manifestations
now through the limited instruments of experience that the universe has
evolved in the biosphere. The instruments of experience, along with their
capacities and limitations, are all connected to the mind, which is the seat of
consciousness and the processor of experiences, both internally and
externally. Consciousness refers to knowing, which when collected,
processed, recorded and recollected, becomes knowledge about things,
entities and events, that is, memory.

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As the mind sees itself, through the processing of such experiences and the
generation of related knowledge, it becomes that and it defines itself in such
terms. Identifying itself with personal historical memories tied to a particular
body-brain complex, the mind becomes an ego and lives in the egoic space.
Identifying itself with the human race, through intellectual ratiocination, and
seeing itself as a unit and unique representative of the human race, the mind
becomes a human person and struggles against the egoic self to live in a
wider humanic space. Seeing itself as the boundless universe, through the
process of direct attentive experiencing in the herenow without the
interference of any elements of the egoic or humanic spaces, the mind
becomes as the living universe: boundless, free, wild, ever-flowing, ever-
renewing, ever-expanding. Seeing itself as the Life that sustains and
maintains everything in the living universe, through mindful attention and
insight, the mind gets soaked into and dissolves in that Boundless Life. This
is the state of Being associated with a human person or rather with any
object in the universe.

This state of Being comes into being when the mind is anchored in the direct
attentive experiencing in the herenow, which is meditation. As meditation
deepens, the state of Being shines forth with full intensity and the human
being is said to have reached the state of spiritual enlightenment. In that state
of Being, one sees oneself more as the Life that animates and sustains
everything in the boundless universe. Seeing oneself other than THAT is
considered as an illusion. Seeing oneself as THAT is enlightenment. So we
exist both as illusion and enlightenment, as humans and being, the
indivisible dual or individual.

The body, along with its faculties and capacities, moving along with the
living universe is the actuality. Everything that the mind, operating from the
egoic (selfish) or humanic (intellectual) spaces, projects and weaves about
reality is but a fantastic illusion, which is part of our reality. The memory-
made self or ego is constantly telling tales to itself about reality on the basis
of its accumulated experiences and digested information. The ego is a
continuity of accumulated past experiences projected onto the actual
experiencing and it veils the actuality, transforming it into a myth or a tale.
The ego is a mere limited instrument of past experiences. It is not the
boundless universe experiencing itself. It is not the Life, the Being, THAT.
As long as the ego is dominant, the ego space is all that the mind can know
and identify with. For THAT to come into being, for Being to come into
being, for Presence to manifest, the mind should be in a state of meditation.

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One needs not pride oneself about one being a unique and unit representative
of the living universe. It is a universal honour gifted to every living entity.
No one has that identity as a special privilege. It is so stupid to think so.
Yes, the recognition of that universal identity is a special insight, which only
those living in direct experiencing of the now can attain. THAT, or the state
of being, is not attained by an ego, which can never move out of its egoic
space. It is realised only by the meditative mind illumined by the one Life
that comes into being in the silence and stillness of mindfulness.

“Our being is much more than our processing mind could ever think of,
imagine, experience or even dream about. It is the very Life of the whole
existence that shines beyond the realms of thought, experience,
imagination and dream.”

Koosraj Kora Venciah, Mauritius

koosradha@gmail.com