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Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
The 'Underground' Approuchinu Secrets
- How To Smoothlg Open Lp Sets With Women At ANY Possible Sociul Settinu With Reluxed ConIidence & Style.
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The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 2 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Table Of Content
Structure........................................................................................................................3 Methodology..................................................................................................................4 Approaching Greatness The Essential Skill ............................................................6 Reality Check Out In The Field..............................................................................8 Approach Anxiety: Breaking Through.........................................................................9 What Is The Perfect Pick-up Line?.............................................................................10 Approaching Women In Bars & Clubs.......................................................................13 Adopt A Friendly, Sociable Persona..........................................................................15 Approaching Individuals.............................................................................................16 Opening Guy-Girl Sets................................................................................................17 Using A Wingman........................................................................................................18 Opening Girl-Girl Sets.................................................................................................24 Approaching Women In Cafes/Seated Settings........................................................27 Approaching Women In Bookstores..........................................................................32 Approaching Women At Grocery Stores...................................................................33 Approaching Women in Bus/Train Stations..............................................................36 Approaching Women Fitness/Health Centers...........................................................38 Approaching Women In Female HTOs (High Traffic Outlets)...................................41 Approaching Women In Parks....................................................................................42 Approaching Women In Wedding Dinner Receptions..............................................44 Approaching Women In Closed Settings House Parties.......................................45 To Sum It All Up.......................................................................................................46 The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 3 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Structure
I for one like to keep things simple with the sole reason of making it easy for you to remember. The approach structure consists of 3 main sections:
BEGINNING:
The stage where you open her up. This is where youll have to catch her attention by projecting a sociable, fun, laid back and relaxed positive vibe both verbally and non- verbally when you first approach her.
And how do you do this?
Simple.
You start chatting up with people around you; it can be anyone; be it the waitress, bartender, or anyone surrounding you. You do this to show her that you are NATURALLY a social, friendly person.
And when you do finally go over and talk to her with your various choices of openers, it wont seem as if youre trying to pick her up. Youre just being yourself; which is of course a friendly, fun and confident guy.
MIDDLE:
The stage after you begin talking to her; this is where its most important. Your focus here is to use sprinkle bits and pieces of ball-busting, kino connection, role reversals, etc and all the other bits of techniques which you have learned here to get her feeling comfortable talking to you, building rapport and connection with her and amping up her feelings of attraction for you.
CLOSE:
This is where youll close it off by either getting her phone number, email address or probably bringing her back to your place.
BEGINING MIDDLE END BEGINING The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 4 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Methodology
There are typically 2 types of approach:
Direct approach Indirect approach
A direct approach is where you express your interest (sexual or otherwise) known to your target upfront. An example would be where you just walk up to the girl and go
Hey, I think you seem like an interesting person, and Id like to get to know you better. Im Simon and you are Hi my names Simon nice to meet you and you are
An indirect approach is where you approach and talk to a girl and make it look as if youre casually talking to her with no hidden agenda, carefully disguising your interest in her.
As to which approach works best, its a pretty subjective matter, but all I can say is for you to TEST both methods out and see which ones suit your character/style best. Its up to you to choose the one youre most CONFORTABLE with.
As you can see, I personally prefer using indirect approaches simply because by going through this route, more often than not, youre not making it seem as if youre trying to pick up the girl at all, hence her defenses might not be held up too high to shield herself.
I love this form of approach mainly because it gives the guy a free hand to working his magic to spark attraction in her without her realizing it until its too late for her to do anything.
Whereas for direct approaches, since youve already made your intentions clear upfront, youre already giving her up the upper hand and power to either say a yes or a no to any of your advances. Ive found that this method works best for those super alpha type of guys.
And yes, I actually have seen several friends of mine who have achieved massive success going this route. Theyll just see a girl they like, walk right up to her, tell her how hot she looks and confidently starts touching them straight away, hugging her, playing with her hair, throwing her around, etc and I could immediately see how the girl seemed to LOVE every second of it!
Bear in mind however, these guys are what I call super alpha blokes guys who goes against all social norms as to whats socially acceptable and whats not and doing exactly what they want to do with NO hesitation and COMPLETE CERTAINTY what theyre doing WILL work.
But of course, they have already ASSUMED themselves as guys with high social status & power, and their body language, style, tonality and facial expressions are all CONGRUENT with that. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 5 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
Again, theres never a straight right or wrong way when it comes to approaching women, just as long as youre comfortable using them and especially if you feel theyre working for you and your results show itself, just keep on using them.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 6 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Greatness The Essential Skill
He who dares wins. Look around and youll see how most risk-takers tend to come out further ahead in life. The same applies if you want to be great at picking up women. Confidence & energy is key.
You can be ugly, short, fat (whatever) , but if you know what you want WHEN you want it, and you can SHOW it to women around you, believe me, approaching women and closing them will become second nature to you.
Guys often refrain and hold back, instead they usually act all gentlemanly, submissive and nice; they become the yes man with women thinking that such actions can score them more points with women when unbeknownst to them, that can be further off from the truth!
Submissive men, those who buy women gifts, flowers, take them out to expensive dinners to impress women sigh what can I say? Honestly when you think about it what good does that do anyway?
Dont you think almost EVERY guy does the SAME thing nowadays? So ask yourself, what can you actually achieve by doing the same exact thing? If you were to do the exact SAME thing, how different will that make you? How are you supposed to STAND OUT then?
Think about it, guys who buy gifts and stuff for women in a way are just trying to buy their affections and buy in to the womans heart and again feelings of attraction are not sparked this way.
On the other hand, women just LOVE guys who are not afraid to show who they really are inside guys who are at ease with themselves and are not afraid to show their real character with people around them now thats exciting!
When a guy does this, its like having a big, fat, bold sticker that shouts C-O-N-F-I-D-E- N-C-E on their forehead.
So just chill and let loose. If you like Chicago, if you like NSync just admit it!
For example just because shes into Hip-Hop doesnt mean YOU have to love it too
This is what goes on during a normal conversation with women:
Her: Im like sooo into the Hip-Hop scene right now You: Yeah, yeah me too! But inside hell be thinking (Oh shit, I know NUTS about it OMG! What can I talk about Hip-hop now?)
This is normally the route submissive guys will take thinking that by agreeing with women, itll score them points. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 7 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
Alpha type of guys (those who just dont give a shit) types will just go
Her: Im like sooo into the Hip-Hop scene right now Him: OMG! You freak! UUUgghh Hip-hop gives me goosebumps! I mean of all the music in the world you had to choose the most excruciating one! I mean how could you actually listen to. that? So when are you going to go heeeeyyy hoooooo.
Her: (Beats you) Hey stop it! Its not that bad you know Its real cool music Him: Heeeyy hoooo (Take hands and poke her)
Her: (Laughs) Im not talking to you. Him: (Poke her again) Heeeeyyy hoooo.. Her: Aaaargghh.. youre crazy (smilling to herself)
If you love collecting stamps, if you love fishing, dont be afraid to admit it!
Not HIDE it! And no, admitting them does not make you a dull, boring person. So, tell them, give them real SOLID stories of why and what made you take up those hobbies and why youre absolutely PASSIONATE about them!
If youre a joker by nature, SHOW it to the women around you. If you have a creative, artistic mind, flaunt it around.
The easiest way to explain this is this
Whatever you feel like doing JUST DO IT!
If you want to bust on them, if you want to make fun of them just the same like how you do to your bratty lil sister, if youll just hang lose and play with them GO for it and dont ever second guess yourself!
If she suddenly talks about how she came across a picture of Britney without her underwear, then go Sicko! Give her that disgusted stare then quickly withdraw yourself and distant yourself away from her, give her that look again and smile (youll get a nice whack for this ).
If she asks you, guess what my occupation is? (If shes a hot 9 plus model-looking smokin hot chick), just say Dog walker! hands down! (shield again... )
The easiest way to get this mindset drilled in your head is this, like I always say just take whatever advice your grandpa, grandma have taught you about how to date, treat and court a woman and do the exact OPPOSITE!
Guys often asks us How does one develop confidence?
Well, its a HUGE topic by itself but fortunately for you, we have painstakingly compiled an excellent resource for you that comes along as a bonus within this entire Program, so you better soak up all you can ok?
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 8 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Reality Check Out In The Field
In the real world, you only have ONE chance to approach and talk to a girl you like. Just one. You rarely get a 2 nd chance to do it, so once you missed it, itll be gone and shell be gone forever.
Harsh words. But in out in the field its something that happens ALL THE TIME whether you like it or not.
And in the real world, first impressions matters A LOT! You see, beautiful women need to weed out the losers from the winners to save time. So you only have 1 solid chance to approach them and do it right.
Heres a common scenario:
You spot a woman. You make eye contact. She knows youre looking. She knows youre interested. She throws you hints shes open and interested to be approached. You gather up your nerves, you walk towards her. As youre approaching her, you suddenly look away, pretending youre heading somewhere else. In her eyes, thats when your social value drops 10 feet. You let her down. Shes disappointed. You panicked and youve lost it. Your nerves got the better of you. And thats the END of it.
This WILL happen to you when youre first starting out so dont feel bad if it has happened to you too.
Youre just being overwhelmed and bogged down by the sheer anxiety of approaching.
Id also like to add how women like to make a quick decision on whether they are interested in continuing the conversation with you within that crucial 1-2 minutes of conversation you have with them. Be fully aware of that and thats exactly how much time you have to get it right with her.
If they can feel the vibe is right with you, theyll stick longer. If not, theyll quickly move on to the next guy. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 9 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approach Anxiety: Breaking Through
The 3-second rule applies when it comes to overcoming any of your approach anxieties. But trust me, you wont truly appreciate this rule until youve actually TRIED it out whenever youre out approaching, thats a GUARANTEED surefire bet!
Just in case youre not sure what it is, the 3-second rule states that the moment you spot your target, youve got to make your move, walk and start talking to her within 3 seconds. Anything longer than that, youll MOST DEFINITELY talk yourself out of approaching her.
This is where wimpy, negative thoughts like:
What if other people around see me get blown off? What if I walk up to her and I have nothing interesting to say? What if she already has a boyfriend?
will come into play and screw with your mind to give yourself excuses NOT to approach. You dont want that.
Seriously, the fastest, most effective way to overcome all your anxieties is to JUST DO IT! Stop thinking, stop analyzing the situation, just walk right up to her and start something ANYTHING!
This is by far the EASIEST, yet the most EFFECTIVE technique to overcome it. No fancy inner game confidence boosting prep talks needed but just for you do to ahead and DO it!
What counts is your confident manner, NOT what you say.
Youll find that once youve started talking to her, your confidence will eventually grow, youll be way relaxed than before you make the approach and somehow or the other, your brain will conjure up things to talk to her about (its plain basic human reflexes). Whats most important is for you to make the initial contact and thats it! Youll automatically know what to say next.
Thats why I keep stressing youve got to get yourself comfortable with talking and socializing with strangers; be it with both guys or girls and once youve mastered the art of socializing, itll just come along naturally to you.
So stop thinking youve got to bag this chick. Stop thinking youve got to pick her up. Stop EXPECTING anything when youre approaching women and let your natural game run its course. So again, you dont have to come up with unique, out of this world pick up line to impress her.
Stop thinking of wanting to get laid with women and youll instantly knock any pressure whatsoever just before you make the approach. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 10 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com So What Is The Perfect Pick-up Line?
Well, first off, Id just like to point out theres just been waaay, waaay too much emphasis on coming up with a killer opening or a pick-up line.
One of the most coming questions we get on a daily basis is Hey Simon, David, I saw this smokin hot chick the other day and I just couldnt figure out what to say to her? What should I say? How am I supposed to say it? Can you give me some killer funny opening lines that will get her to laugh, something which is purely original that no other guy uses?
And this is where most guys get it wrong!
You see, its not the first line that matters. Its actually in the 2 nd and subsequent lines you use that matters the most! You see the first line is usually forgotten by women since youve just caught them by surprise as you start talking to them.
What is more important is how you FOLLOW THROUGH after the opener to continue the conversation. The key here is to quickly move on from the opener and focus more in the conversation with her cos when you do that, it wont seem as if youre using a pick up line but instead, itll look like youre a social type of guy who just casually started talking to her.
Remember this: The opening line is supposed to be more of a casual greeting, remark or even an everyday, ordinary statement. Youre supposed to use it to hook them in, to catch their attention so to speak. And it can literally be ANYTHING.
Say youve just came across a girl waiting for cab standing right next to you. Just say, Hey, todays pretty warm huh? Shell be surprised at first but most probably shell say something like Yeah tell me about it.
And you can respond by following up with waiting for friend? And shell go yeah, my friend is supposed to be here anytime now and thats when you focus more on FOLLOWING THROUGH the flow of the conversation.
Theres so many options for you to follow through from there for example you respond with Uh-huh hey that top youre having there looks nice, whered you get it? And shell go bla, bla, bla And you can go I didnt get your name yet, Im Simon
You could literally follow through your opener with anything!
You could say something like Uh-huh. Geez Im starving right now. Know any place I could get some good food around here? And shell go Well, it depends on what youre planning to get youre up for pizzas? Burgers? Bla, blab la And you later on as youre talking to her you can go Hey I still didnt get your name yet by the way Im Simon
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 11 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com See how it works?
Does the opening or pick up line matter that much?
Did it even look like youre trying to pick her up?
I didnt think so too.
Its vitally very important for you to smile and be a naturally SOCIAL, friendly type of person. Be curious about people, and always be looking for ways to talk and meet new people and approaching will eventually be 2 nd nature to you.
And if youre still wondering about how you can come up with off the wall topics you can talk about? Well, just use youre surroundings; whatever thats around you as topics of conversation with women. If its a cold day, just start it off by saying Hey, cold day isnt or if you noticed her with a bag, say something like Hey nice bag you have there, whered you get it?
Like the other day, I stopped by for a quick drink at the local coffee place where I was supposed to meet up with an old friend. As soon as I sat down, I noticed a group of 5 sitting down chilling out. There was this one particular girl whos pretty hot lookin that caught my eye. Now, in a situation like this what do you think I should do?
Same thing.
I looked out for things to comment on.
I noticed how one of her friends had like this unique, zen-like tattoo on her hands with nothing on them but words. It looked sorta like a verse from the bible or something I couldnt really tell from that distance.
So I just acted curious and blurted out to the guys Hey guys, sorry for interrupting, but I couldnt help but notice the tattoo on your friends arm (now looking at her) whered you get that? Never seen anything like it before
And immediately I saw her face lit up, I could tell she was glad that a stranger noticed and shed go You noticed? But yeah cool isnt it? My cousin recommended me to this guy whos supposedly like THE man everyone goes to to get tattoo-ed
Again, there are easily tens or even HUNDREDS of things that you can literally pick up from your surroundings to strike up conversations with people around you at anytime you;ve just got to be observant.
Whats normally stopping guys from doing it is essentially their own limiting beliefs of whats possible and whats not possible as their interacting with women.
So remember: Commit to yourself from this day onwards on being a SOCIAL person. Dont be afraid to talk to strangers. Do this often enough and make it a habit.
And thats exactly how most naturals get good at this stuff.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 12 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com See, if you look closer, most naturals are just average, everyday blokes who come off as real friendly, fun sort of guys and surprise surprise! Thats exactly the type of guys most women want to be with.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 13 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Bars & Clubs
Bars and clubs are definitely my all-time favorite hangout to approach women.
Why?
Well, people in general go there to chill out and have themselves a good time. Its a social setting and women are usually more open to being approached there. But admittedly, things can get pretty messy if one does not do it right, so here are a couple of ground rules to follow
Rule No.1:
You like hot women and youre tempted to go talk to them. But bear in mind however, there will also be OTHER guys who are doing the same. One thing you have to remember is NEVER to interrupt or to barge in halfway during a conversation when you see a guy talking to a woman.
Youll look bad doing so and women wont like that.
Imagine talking to a woman youre interested in and suddenly theres this other guy barging in and interrupting your conversation with her, wont you feel annoyed when that happens?
Let your target make up her own mind whether she likes talking to the guy and she will eventually end the conversation with him if shes not interested.
So be patient and let nature runs its course before you enter and open up the set.
Rule No.2:
It is best not to try opening a girl when shes walking or on the move. You see, some guys might think that this is the best opportunity because shes alone and is not distracted by anyone else.
Not really. See, theres definitely a specific reason why shes moving. She might be going out to make an important call, she might probably be rushing to go to the washroom, she might be looking for a friend, looking for her boyfriend, etc there can be thousands of reasons for it.
And when shes focused on something else, whatever you say will not register with her. What you should do is then to keep an eye on her or you could also follow her closely to see what or wheres she going next. When shes done with whatever shes supposed to do, that should be the best time for you to initiate conversation.
Rule No.3: The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 14 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
There will be times where youll be interrupted by other guys who are also eye-ing your target. When that happens, never talk bad about them, insult them or brush them aside. When you do that, it just shows how INSECURE and petty you may be at times. Just take it in your stride and let them in.
You couldnt care less, remember?
If a guy suddenly walks up to her, and say
Him: Hi there are you a sexy one You: Hey, thanks! Her: **laughs**
Or
Him: Hi there beautiful You: Come on you not in front of HER Her: **laughs**
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 15 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Adopt A Friendly, Sociable Persona
When you make your approaches in this setting, there are SO MANY ways which you can do it! Say youve just entered a club. Loosen up, always be ready to flash a friendly smile at whoever that comes your way and again adopt a SOCIABLE personality.
Remember, clubs are places you go to have fun! Not act all alpha and cocky trying to look cool to women; thatll get you nowhere!
Now, say you saw group consisting of just girls sitting around a table all having a good time. Just walk straight up, flash your biggest smile and go
You: Hey guys, you guys are having so much fun over here, whos birthday is it? Naa... hold on a minute wait dont tell me dont tell me.. Im guessing its you! Them: (Surprised) Howd you guess? You: The birthday girl always talks the most! Her: Well, I hate to rain on your parade but todays just a reunion between us girls You: Great! What should we talk about? Them: (Laughs)
Or if you see your target sitting next to you, you can just open up by going
You: Hey whats that youre drinking looks pretty neat Her: Bla, bla, bla You: Ok, youve sold me. Im having one of those. You must be doing top sales here Her: I dont work here You: Hehe Just messing with cha Im Simon by the way and you are Her: Janice You: Nice to meet you Janice, so who are you with? Her: Bla, bla, bla
Remember the key is to present yourself as a social, friendly type of guy whos just there to meet people and have fun! Thats it!
Still, your actions MUST be congruent with the image youre projecting to them do it with confidence, strong eye contact, firm handshake and do it in a relaxed, comfortable manner and you can never go wrong with this approach!
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 16 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Individuals
Now often times, when youre in clubs youre sure to come across girls (normally there should be a minimum of two girls together there) who are having a decent conversation but their eyes occasionally wonder around. These girls are usually the types who are more open to being approached by guys.
If you saw a particular girl youd like to meet, and if she happens to look your way, keep your eyes locked onto her (but dont stare!), and give her a warm pleasant smile. Dont look away and MAKE SURE she sees you smiling at her.
Once youve got her attention, get up and immediately walk towards her; dont hesitate (remember the 3-second rule), keep smiling and as youre in front of her, go
You: (Changes expression to look serious) Im feeling a little bit uncomfortable with you STARING at me like that Her: (Shocked) You: **smile** You shouldve seen yourself in the mirror. Thats soo funny lol. Just messing with cha so whats your name? Her: **relieved** bla, bla, bla
Or
You: Hey, Daphne, hows it going? Her: Im sorry, Im not Daphne You: Come on its me Her: I dont think Ive met you before You: Quit playing its me Jordan we made out in the elevator last week, remember?!! Jordan the Im sooo messing with you right now cant you even tell? (Smile) Her: (Laughs)
Or
You: Is this how you normally seduce people in clubs? Her: (Shocked) You: Frankly, Im feeling a bit violated by how you were checking me out a while ago I could sue you you DO know that, right? Her: (Laughs)
The underlying rule to your approaches is to not take yourself too seriously. Be willing to go all out and do outrageous stuff take risks! And more importantly, make it fun, in an unpredictable way!
Theres soo many ways to do it! You just have to be a little creative, thats all
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 17 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Opening Guy-Girl Sets
Whenever youre trying to open up sets which consist of both guys and girls, its very important for you to approach the GUYS first. Most guys do it the other way around. Wrong strategy.
You must talk to the guys first, and once you guys have developed a good rapport with them, they will naturally introduce you to their girlfriends.
Sample opener:
You: Hey guys, this clubs smokin huh you guys come down here a lot? Him: Nah not really, its probably our what2 nd time here?... You: No surprise there the musics pretty cool around here its my first time actually they sure dont have places like this where I come from anyway, so hows your day been? Him: Bla, bla, bla You: Oh by the way, Im Simon and you are? Him: Oh yea hi my names Mike and these are my friends Jack, Chloe and Rachel You: Yeah hi guys nice to meet all of you so how do you all know each other? Him: Bla, bla, bla
(Youre in the set)
Its good for you to use the line So how do you all know each other? the moment youve been introduced into a set because it allows you to immediately know which girls are attached and which ones are single within the group
You will know instantly which girls are open targets and which ones are with their boyfriends (closed targets) there. Obviously you should remember to keep your hands off the ones that are with their boyfriends there
Again, I personally prefer using indirect openers in guy girl sets.
Because if you were to talk to the girls first in these type of sets, it clearly shows the guys within the set that youre in there solely for their girls. Its just so obvious when you do so. This can easily create uncomfortable and unwanted feelings from them. Heck, most fights in bars/clubs actually get started because of things like these.
So remember, youre there to have fun and not to start fights, so play the game the smart way.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 18 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Using A Wingman
Im sure you know by now that girls are usually out together in pairs or in groups of 3 or 4. So what youd want to do in this case is to always try to bring along a guy friend together when youre out approaching women. Obviously you cant be out doing this alone cos girls might instantly think of you as some freak who has no friends and goes out alone.
Anyway, weve found that winging in pairs works best. 3 or more guys together hitting on women will seem a lil more intimidating to them but again this is arguable and is pretty subjective. So use your better judgment.
The purpose of having a wingman is because both of you can help and complement one another in your game. For example, if they are 2 girls out together, you and your wingman can each talk to them separately and OCCUPY them and each can run game together.
One guy talking to 2 girls can be pretty tricky at times. Say you like a particular one out of the two, and you keep focusing your game on her, her friend will definitely take notice, feel uncomfortable, out of place and not to mention be bored out of her wits as you run game on her friend.
Also, dont forget, your goal here it to subtly game her and not make it too obvious that youre into her, remember?
Even if she really did like you, chances are that particular girl will be reluctant to screw her friend and focus all her attention talking to you while neglecting her friend. Girls are not guys. They just dont act that way.
If there are 5 girls in the group, one guy occupies 3 and the other occupies 2. Get the drift? Imagine how awkward or how OVERWHELMING it can be if youre just a lone ranger there taking on 5 girls.
Well, Im not saying its not do-able; but all Im trying to say is that it makes it way easier to game groups if youre together with a wing.
Wingman Rules:
1 Purpose of winging: Helping each other to secure the target whatever way possible. Neither of you are supposed to compete with one another.
2 Never go for the same girl: There has to be a certain compromise on who gets what. Never go winging and competing for the same girl, its pure suicide and reflects your CHARACTER, it shows just how little value you place on your FRIENDSHIP just to get the girl which lowers your value in front of women.
3- Responsibilities of the wing: Your wing is supposed to be there to occupy any potential obstacles to your target (normally her friend/s) so that you can have more alone time with her. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 19 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
4 Your wing is more important to you than them: When your wing approaches the set, show enthusiasm and quickly introduce him into the set, never ever leave him standing around or out in the cold. Turn and face him when talking to him. Show the girls you value him HIGHER than them. Guys when theyre with women, they tend to focus all their attention talking to them and neglect their guy friends altogether. DONT do that. It will only lower your value in front of them. If your wing is talking to you, pay full attention and show the same level of excitement talking to him.
5 Never talk bad about one another: Youre not there to take the light off your partner. If your wing is telling an interesting story, dont interfere. If hes building good rapport with the girls, dont bud in. Allow it to progress further. As much as you can, the both of you are supposed to SUPPORT one another. If at all possible, always be looking for ways to make your friend look good within the set. Nothing negative should be made of him. No making women laugh at the expense of your wing. Nothing of that sort, please.
6 Never take sides: Your loyalty is to your wing. He is ALWAYS right. Never take the womans side within your interactions with them. Some women like to test and see whether youre the type whod do anything just to score points with women by agreeing with what they have to say. When you stay true to your wing, it shows that youre not submissive, youre in control, you dont sway easily, and your wing is more important to you than anything else.
7 Never feel jealous: if your wing is performing better at getting more connection with the women within the set than you. If the women seem to be more responsive to your wings advances; touching, laughing and flirting with him more than you, youre supposed to be happy for him; amp it up further; or at times we willing to sacrifice a little even if it means putting yourself on the spot; NOT be jealous because of it. The both of you are supposed to work as a TEAM, so irrelevant of who wins, at the end of the day, as long as either member of the team scores, thats all that matters.
8 - Increasing each other value proposition: Both you should be open to increase the perceived social value of each other by casually mentioning good things about one another be creative it could just be anything!
9 Setting each other up: You can also help to set one another up to help escalate his game
Examples:
(a) When Wing A goes off to the toilet, you can tell his target Im not too sure what it is about you, but you sure caught his attention alright. Did you guys know Wing A heres the skins man for this awesome rock band where we came from hes practically got like TONS of girls just waiting to bag him every night he goes on stage but he pretty much couldnt be bothered by it and just does his own thing But with you he seems different, you know hey but dont tell him I told you that ok? Oh hes coming back, lets talk about something else
[Note]: Casually blurting out statements like this sounds 10 times more impressive when they come from someone else as opposed to you bragging The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 20 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com about yourself and blowing your own horns. Theres so many ways in which you can do this to increase your partners value in front of women, think out of the box, be creative
The key is is to be subtle in your comments, it has to sound genuine and real and not like some rehearsed story youve picked up from some seduction newsletter youve picked up online
But never, EVER lie!
Women are EXCELLENT at detecting lies so whatever you do, be as truthful with your stories as possible.
(b) Whilst talking, Wing A can suddenly goes
Wing A: Hey! Any of you guys caught the latest on Amazing Race? Who got booted off this time?
Girls: Bla, bla, bla
Wing A: Hey since were talking bout far-out adventure stuff, youve got to check out what (your name) did just last month when he was in Bangkok that guy was freakin messing about petting wild, huge ass tigers!
Girls: Oh my God! Petting what? Thai girls?
You: (Poke her) Is that the only thing you can think off you pervert! (Move away and give her the disgusted stare)
Sandy (your target): Hey! (whacks you)
You: Oh yeah, I almost forgot bout it man you guys have you any idea what it feels like to be freakin petting monstrous 2 meter wide wild TIGERS that looks like they havent eaten in 3 weeks staring the bejesus out of you as youre petting them? Thats what I went through, I almost pissed in my pants, I swear!
Girls: Oh my God are you serious? Youre just making that up no way!
You: Waaaayyy. Yayyy yayyyy (Poking her)
Girls: (Laughs)
In this set, Wing A is casually demonstrating how adventurous a guy you really are and he also give you an open option to tell interesting, exciting, entertaining stories to stir and evoke their feelings as youre talking to them its another example of how your value in front of them is increased
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 21 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Examples
Scenario 1:
(Talking bla, bla, bla) You: Hey doesnt Ellen (Wing As target) here know you read Palms?
Wing A: You had to bring that up, did you? Now theyll be bugging me all night just to find out how many kids theyll have in the future
You: Uh-oh! Forgot bout that one sorry dude ok guys, forget I even brought that up!
Ellen: Hey no wait, wait wait! I want to know (takes out her hand)
Wing A: Im so gonna get you (staring at you) *starts kino routine on Ellen*
Wing A has multiple options to escalate his teasing & flirting efforts with Ellen
Here youre casually setting up an opportunity for Wing A to run the kino routine on Ellen doing so seems so in the spur of the moment Ellen wont even suspect anything at all and Wing A makes his move
Scenario 2:
(Talking bla, bla, bla) Wing A: Dude, whens the next time you guys are going for karaoke? Stacy was just asking
You: Nothing solid yet. Next weekend perhaps.
Girls: So whos the American Idol?
Wing A: Oh, (your name) no Idol. Hes more Axl Rose.
You: Dont listen to him Im no Axl. More like Justin Timberlake. Lol
Sandy: Oh really! So youre a singer, huh?
You: Yeah, people call me Justin, minus the voice haha but yeah we just love goofing around with the mike sometimes helps take stress off work Hey now that youve mentioned it whatcha guys doing next week Saturday? Well be goofing around then and what could be more fun than to have an additional 2 more people watching us make a fool of ourselves!
Sandy: Sounds fun
Here, Wingman A is setting up opportunities for you to casually ask your target out on a date without making it seem too obvious of your interests in here which is always a good thing at the very beginning when youve just met her. You dont want to give her too much power so early into the relationship as youre still courting her The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 22 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
There are various ways in which winging can be done.
Example:
You came across 2 girls happily chatting and laughing. You spot your target. Your wing is supposed to help you get your girl. Wing successfully approaches them and opens up the set. As hes talking to them, you suddenly walks past them and
Wing : Hey Adrian, its about time you arrived wheres the rest of the them? (demonstrating you guys are social dudes and are there with others and not just there to game women) They here yet?
You: Neh, they just called and seems that theyre still stuck in traffic might take a while
Wing A: No worries bro, hey by the way I just met Sandy and Ellen over here
You: Hey guys, whats up bla, bla, bla
(Youre in the set)
Wing A then occupies Ellen whilst you start talking to Sandy (your target).
Example:
Wing spots his target. You approach and open up the set using your favorite openers. Wing A suddenly walks past and you pull him in
You: Hey girls, now this is someone youve got to meet hes Adrian but we usually call him the chosen one (here youre pulling your Wingman into the set and make it look accidental, at the same time trying to create intrigue and a sense of mystery and fun for them to be more engaged in the conversation).
Girls: The chosen one? Whats with the name?
You: This guy can tell you whether youll end up marrying a jerk or a two-timing nice guy who cooks like Jamie Oliver!
Sandy: Oh, so your friend Adrian here is a fortune teller then huh?
You: Aaaaaack. Geez which school did you go to? I sure as hell will be making sure our kids wont be going there
Sandy: (Whacks) Oh youre so mean!
You: Oh you have NOOOO idea, darling... (wink at her)
Sandy: ** Giggles **
You: Anyway, he reads palms and is freakin killer at it I might add. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 23 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Ellen: Oh really! Why dont you read my palm, Adrian
In this set, youve immediately increased Wings social value (by stating his uniqueness as a Palm Reader, chicks dig this but more importantly its different and interesting to them, not say something like hes an accountant, banker, etc which is too boring) to both the girls the moment he enters the set.
Also, by using the Palm Reader technique, you immediately gave Wing a chance to run kino on his target. Theres an endless stream of possibilities for him to run game here eg. Be playful as hes reading her palm eg. bust on her, tickle her hand, poke her, etc
Its for him to decide which route hell be taking.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 24 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Opening Girl-Girl Sets
Girls usually head on to bars in groups. As much as you wish it were true, the reality is youll RARELY catch them alone in a bars/clubs. So just accept this fact and practice opening up group sets in bars. Be comfortable with it.
Most guys tend to wait til their target is alone before they make their move. Again, this rarely happens. In case you havent noticed, girls practically go everywhere in pairs. Theyll go the washroom together, theyll put on make-up together, head to the bar together, etc so wise up ok?
When youre approaching girl groups, always be looking to talk to the LEAST attractive ones in the group first. Most guys will talk to the hottest one there, offering to buy her drinks, focusing SOLELY on her and neglecting her friends all together. Thats dumb.
When you do that, it clearly shows your DISRESPECT for her friends, which is NOT what you want to do. Your target will not feel comfortable with you doing so and could easily show her disinterest and brush you off easily.
Instead, you want to have her friends to like you; to be on YOUR side. Once you have gained the approval of her friends, its way easier to get to her. Her friends will eventually know what to do and will probably give you guys time alone. They might even make fun of you both as couple (this creates a special connection between you both).
As you can see, the possibilities are endless when you have her friends on your side.
This is what you should do
You enter the set, talk to her friends, and neglect her. She talks, you neglect her again and continue talking to her friends. (At this point, shell be wondering why you havent made your move on her like how the rest of the other guys have done to her; at some point of time, shell be wondering whether is there anything wrong with her and shell subconsciously be seeking YOUR attention then).
You talk about interesting stories, funny stuff, make fun of her friends, play with them; social stuff, your goal is to go in and add VALUE and EXCITEMENT and elements of fun in their group; doing all the right things so that youll end up being the life of the group.
You have an advantage here because dont forget, youre a new face to them, you go into the set with fresh stories, fresh experiences, a totally whole new, raw vibe their unfamiliar with.
Things To Talk About:
Make it DIFFERENT, unpredictable, playful and interesting. You can talk about
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 25 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Your exciting, hair-raising trips to exotic places (use this if youve been to any, however if you dont have any, just dont lie women can sense lies a mile away) Ghost stories and your escapades to haunted places (if youve ever been to one) Whos your favorite singer on American Idol; you can start an entire debate on whos the best, worst, cutest guy, etc (women dig this stuff!) Actors/actresses you hate and why you hate them (a debate will start from there) How a close friend of yours dumped her boyfriend for another guy whos more financially stable and how you think its totally unacceptable (you purposely do it to start controversies and pick arguments with them) Celebrity relationships and their quirkiness, (this topic alone can be the start to MANY funny comments) Dating dos and donts Relationships amongst your friends and their complexities/ironies TV/dramas showing and what is it about them you love/hate so much, etc, etc
Their listening to you, looking up to you and are secretly glad that youre there. You could bring your wingman into the group at this stage. He in turn adds FURTHER excitement and fun into the group.
Once you have her friends on your side, thats when you start focusing your attention to your target, you bust her, make fun of her, play with her, share stories together, share secrets together, call her names, mess with her, connect with her.
If youre doing everything right, shell see you in a different light; shell feel comfortable in your presence and will eventually see you as the one shed have to impress. Youre different.
Her friends like having you around. She starts hitting on you, demonstrating signals of interests in you and thats when you capitalize on it by flirting with her even more.
Conversational No-Nos:
One of the reasons why most guys get rejected often is mainly because they make it too easy for women to say no to them. They usually ask closed ended, boring questions that will lead to yes/no answers like:
Examples:
You: Do you live nearby? Her: No
You: Do you work nearby? Her: No
You: Have you been to? Her: No
You: You come here often? Her: No
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 26 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com You: Do you like? Her: No
Instead
You should always be asking OPEN ENDED questions in all your interactions with women youre striking up conversations with for the first time.
An open-ended question is designed to encourage a full, meaningful answer using the subject's own knowledge and/or feelings. It is the opposite of a closed-ended question, which encourages a short or single-word answer.
One of my favorite one is "How does (whatever) make you feel?" or some variation thereof. It could go along the lines of
Wow! Ive never been to the Eifel Tower before what was it like there? How did it feel the moment you conquered your first mountain? What was going through your mind when you first stepped out of the plane?
[Note]: When you specifically asks a woman how she FEELS about a particular subject/topic, thats how you focus in directly into their feelings and get her to express her thoughts and emotions more.
Women LOVE expressing themselves emotionally.
Tell me, why do women LOVE watching Oprah so much? What is it about that show?
Get it?
Try it and youll see how womens eyes will light up when you actually asks questions that stir up her emotions.
Talk about things that are GIRL RELEVANT
So tell me, whats the 3 most exciting things youve did last month? What do your and your friends do for fun to relax and unwind? Name me 3 of your top all-time favorite shows and I can tell straight away what sort of person are you Who do you think are the sexiest male singers alive? Tell me something Im baffled as to why women love fooling around as if one guy is not enough for them (this will strike a chord in them and the conversation can go on for hours!) Whats with shoes, and bags with you women? Why is it NEVER enough? I just cant seem to figure it out why do women bring their cameras EVERYWHERE they go? Why?
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 27 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Cafes/Seated Settings
Cafes, dining places and seated settings are also very good areas to get to meet women. At places like these, everyone is pretty close to one another as theyre not moving about too much when compared to bars/clubs which could be real advantageous to you and it can be the easiest places to approach.
Remember the basic structure for all approaches; as you enter the set, be sociable, friendly and warm to the people around. Have a big fat smile on your face at all times, when people smile back, just greet them and say Hi. Guys or girls, it doesnt really matter.
One way I always like to use is again to use whatever thats around me to chat with women there.
Say a girl is sitting just at the next table. Ill just lean over and ask for something. It could be ANYTHING.
Ill go Excuse me, could I borrow your pen for a sec? if I see her writing on something. And once she has lent it to you and youve finished using it, as youre returning it, Id say something like thanks for the pen, you have no idea but your pen really saved my life!
Shell be naturally be curious and ask why is that?.
Then you can just cook up some DRAMATIC story about how you arent seeing eye to eye with your dad, which made you move out of your house, 3000 miles away in a foreign place, youre barely surviving, almost dying but youre sticking by your goals of becoming a movie producer when everyone keeps saying you couldnt do it, and how its been months now without income and then you suddenly saw a job ad in the papers looking for a young movie producer, and there you are meeting her by chance, and borrowing from her the very pen you need to draft the letter thatll make or break your dreams
Or something along those lines
This is yet another example of using STORY TELLING to hook her in
Do you get where Im trying to get at? Again its not so much of witty lines to open, but more of just having an EXCUSE to start off a conversation with her. Any excuse will do. As long as the both of you gets talking, thats it! You can follow up with literally ANYTHING after that to get to know her.
You can ask for her to lend you her newspaper for all I care you can ask her to pass you the sugar, the salt, the milk who cares really?
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 28 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Remember: what is most important is how you FOLLOW THROUGH the conversation after that. You can ask her whos she with or whats she doing there, working on her college assignment, work stuff or practically anything under the sun!
Or you could use the role reversal technique Ive explained earlier
Her: Excuse me, could I borrow your pen for second, please? You: (Look serious and stare at her blankly) No, you cannot
Her: (Stunned) You: Neh just kidding here you go
Her: Excuse me, could I borrow your lighter for second? You: Wow... so THIS how you normally seduce men in cafes, huh? (smile)
Her: Excuse me, can I borrow your pen, please? You: Sure Ill even let you write down your number and email when youre done (smile)
Be creative.
Theres much you can do with what youve learned here.
Now, if shes sitting further away, the trick is for you to position yourself FACING her direction. This way, its EASIER for you to initiate eye contact when the time arises.
There will bound to be a time where her eyes will be looking around and all you have to do is smile at her when she looks your away. At first, shell think nothing much of it, but if youve done it 2-3 times and shes smiling back, dont hesitate, get up and walk over to her sit and go
You: I cant believe you. Once or twice is fine but then you went overboard after that Honestly, Im feeling a little uncomfortable with you checking ME out like that (smile) do you ALWAYS do that?
Her: (Laughs) Hey, howd you notice?
You: Its really not funny you know... For all I know you could be following me home after my drink and they say this towns a safe place
Her: (Laughs) Stop it
You: Ok. So whats your story?
Her: Bla, bla, bla
I like using the line so, whats your story? as openers with women Ive just met because its such an open-ended question that can lead on to almost anything else.
Its a very casual & natural question to ask someone, itll NEVER look like youre doing a pick-up when you use it. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 29 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
On a more playful note, this is another thing which I LOVE to do when Im in a more playful note.
Heres what you do
Take a napkin, take a pen and draw a tic-tac-toe "board" on the napkin.
Start the game off by putting an "x" on it, then ask the waiter/waitress to take both the pen and the napkin over to her.
When she gets the napkin, look at her and give her the coolest *smirk* you can ever give to her ;-)
Now, 8 out of 10 times, she'll usually accept the invitation to 'play'.
She will naturally put an "o" and you guys can have like a secret "game" going on between the both of you.
Now once she's 'in' the game and the moment you get back the napkin for your turn, right after you have marked your spot, make sure you write down something wacky/funny like "I am SOOO gonna kick your ass!" next to it ;-) and get the waiter/waitress to hand it back to her.
When she gets back the napkin, she'll usually laugh and will probably write back something 'nasty' to you too...
Once that happens, you know you're in the 'game' with her.
Now, don't be surprised SHE'LL be the one that walks up and brings the napkin back to you when the both of you have finished the game...
You'll know what to do after that... ;-)
Another technique I like to use especially when I'm at a restaurant, cafe or any 'seated' place for that matter is this...
The moment I spot a girl I'd like to meet and she's sitting there all by herself, I'll immediately walk up and sit right next to her and I'll say, "Did you save this seat for me?" *Smile*
Most of the time, she'll be so surprised and lost for words, she won't even know what to say.
But notice how powerful this technique can be.
When you do this -- you'll instantly project and show how amazingly confident and over- the-top you are as a person.
Often times, the girl will find it rather fun if you do so.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 30 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com The key here is to be extremely confident and RELAXED when you use this approach -- basically do this as if you've done this a thousand times and am very sure that you'll get a positive response from her.
You have to make as if you just DON'T CARE of the outcome.
This technique is the TRUE example of what you SHOULD be doing and acting when I stress the point of you having to have that certain degree of CONFIDENCE (some call it playful cockiness) when you're approaching or when you're WITH women.
Confidence doesn't mean reminding yourself or talking to yourself in your brain to "be confident".
You have to SHOW her YOUR confidence.
Do it with flair, do it with style.
Always remember, you don't HAVE to make her like you.
Yes, let me repeat that.
You don't HAVE to make her like you.
I've said it many times over and I am going to say it again.
When you're approaching women, DON'T THINK OF THE OUTCOME.
Stop pressuring yourself into thinking
"Oh, what should I say to make her like me?"
"How should I act to make her like me?"
Stop that!
Instead -- always remember the keywords that I've taught you -- just as long as you're wacky & funny enough when you're with her, you've got it made.
The results will eventually take care of itself as you go along.
Id like to add when youre approaching women in seated settings, its important for you to NOT to do it standing all the time. Its awkward when you do so. You dont have to wait until the girls invite you to sit down with them. Just ASSUME they want you to sit with them.
If youre just starting out and your confidence level isnt really there yet, you can start it off with the simplest of things if shes sitting away from you and notices youre looking smile!
If she smiles back, just wave your hand gently and go Hiiii then walk right up to her and you can start off your conversation by going Hey you have nice smile The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 31 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com there what s your name no wait dont tell me Im guessing your friends call you Winnie the pooh?
When she laughs follow through with fluff, small talk
Remember the flow keep it light and you should be able to do well naturally
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 32 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Bookstores
Meeting women in bookstores can be fun too!
I like using opinion openers there. Say you just saw your target, just grab yourself a girly or female type of book; they can be anything, from romance novels, cook books, baking books, knitting, coloring books and just walk up right next to her and go
Hey, you look like someone who can help me out here See, Im actually looking for a book as a birthday gift for a friend of mine, but Im just lost when it comes to choosing books for girls that theyd be REAL interested in so I was wondering if you could be a kind sport and help me pick out something for her?
Or if you really feel like your energy level is up that day, try something more fun. There was once I was in Borders and I suddenly saw this pretty little cutie like 8 or 9 meters away checking out the magazine section I couldnt resist going for it so heres what I did I picked up a pick-up book and I went up to her and said
Hey, I was just skimming through this pick-up book and Im testing to see whether it really works on girls so hows my approach? Have you fallen in love with me yet?
Man you shouldve seen the look on her face, she practically stared at me like shes just seen a ghost or somethin and she mumbled Do yourself a favour DONT buy that book and then she broke out laughing!!
Damn, Im good.
And of course I just went Hey at least Im talking to you, right? And shell go well yeah but its sooo cheesy, dont you think?
The rest as they say is history
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 33 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women At Grocery Stores
Opinion openers work best here. Asking questions about food/beverage stuff as an opener is pretty standard here but try to ask something really specific to avoid making it look like a lame pick up line.
The fruit sections normally a pretty good place to start as buying fruits can be known to be rather tricky at times and women know guys pretty much suck when it comes to choosing and buying fruits on their own. So its more or less expected if you touch on topics such as fruits.
Examples:
Do you by any chance know how to tell whether this mangos sweet? Ive always wondered how people can tell
Hi, how can you tell whether this orange is still fresh or whether its been here for weeks now? Im just hopeless when it comes to choosing fruit (by poking fun at yourself, youre disqualifying yourself and making it seem like youre not there with an agenda to pick her up, you can sometimes draw women in and engage them into a conversation by using disqualification)
Hey, which do you think makes better juices red or green apples?
You: Hi, I know this is a pretty silly question to ask, but does this honeydew look ripe to you?
Her: (Smiling) Dont worry about it. I had the same problem when I first started out myself Heres how to differentiate them bla, bla, bla
You: Hey thanks! Youre a lifesaver! You know, Im supposed to be in charge of getting a whole bunch of stuff from this list I got here for my nieces birthday next week and Ive never felt as lost as I am right now! I mean, who wouldve thought buying fruits of all things could be this hard? But thats my problem anyway Hey by the way Im Simon and you are?
Her: Oh hi Im Janine so nice to meet you
You: Yeah nice meeting you so who are you here with?
Her: Bla, bla, bla
The key here is for you to be in a friendly, talkative mood and to just go with the flow. I always like to follow up with the line so who are you here with? right after Ive introduced myself so that I can immediately qualify her and tell whether shes there alone or with her other half. The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 34 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
Again, its a very good line to remember as it comes off as non-intrusive and it always makes good conversational flow
If shes with the later, then Ill just politely excuse myself, but if shes there alone, then great!
Apart from the fruit section, I guess it pretty much is open as to how you want to approach
Examples:
Hey Ive always come across that particular brand of milk before but just wasnt up to getting it til now have you ever tried that before?
My goodness, so many brands to choose from. Errm, excuse me, could you help me out here Im pretty bad at this but which brand do you think is the best one here?
You: Hi, hows your day been?
Her: Hi, yea its alright.
You: Wonderful. Hey you know what, Im actually thinking of getting a box of chocolates for my sisters 19 th birthday and I really need a girls opinion on this. Which one of these do you think makes the perfect birthday present?
Her: I dont know what types does she like?
You: bla, bla, bla
As your target is picking up a tub of ice-cream, you can go
You: I wouldnt take that if I were you
Her: (Looking surprised) Why not?
You: Lets just say I tried it once and it led me to an awfully dreadful visit to my bubbly, gay-ish dentist. Trust me, youll be way better off if you were to spend your money on that one
Her: Hmmm
You: Im Simon by the way
Her: Bla, bla, bla
Your goal in all your approaches is to make it seem like the both of you are talking to one another as if you have known each other for years thats why busting on her, challenging her on your first meeting works so well! Its because only old buddies pick on one another!
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 35 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Now, dont forget, women LOVE accidental romance! They love the fact through some cosmic forces up above, the both of you just happened to meet, and suddenly clicked with one another thats how cupid works sometimes according to them anyway!
Remember, often times as you do your approaches, again I want to remind you its not what you say to her that matters, its HOW you deliver the materials that matters most.
It could just be a slight wink at her as youre busing her balls, a playful poke at her as youre teasing her or any small lil gesture you do the moment youre talking to her that will ultimately decide whether youve bombed or succeeded in your approach so be wary of this.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 36 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women in Bus/Train Stations
Its pretty easy to meet women at bus/train stations you see regularly on your way to work. Say youve spot your target. Note down the exact time and day which you saw her this is most likely her daily schedule to go to work.
It is very important that the moment she first noticed you and sees you looking at her, make sure you SMILE at her. Just a warm smile wont kill ya will it?
Dont look away, dont try to pose, dont try to act cool. Just smile. As she returns your smile you can walk up to her and greet her with a warm nice Hi, so hows it going? On your way to work huh?
Once youve initiated conversation, great! You can ask her basic, simple stuff: where she works, what does she work as, where she lives and stuff like that. Feel free to sprinkle bits of playful stuff here and there.
At daytime settings like this, the energy level that you bring in your interactions with her need not necessarily be at the same level as when youre approaching women at night in bars, clubs.
You do not want to be looking like youre trying to hit on every girl thats there on the train, do you? You also do not want to be walking up to every girl and introducing yourself do you?
Often times, you have to use your own better judgment in your approaches.
Its crucial for you to make your move as early as possible and not wait too long. Waiting too long to make your move shows your lack of confidence to approach and talk to her. You dont want to make it seem like youve been trying so hard all this while to gather your guts just to talk to her, do you?
Here, your goal is to get to know one another, become acquaintances first and get comfortable with one another before you actually ask her out on a date.
The rule to remember is not to reveal too much about yourself to her too fast. A magician doesnt show all his tricks at one go, does he?
You have to maintain a little mystery about yourself so that the girl feels she needs to go out with you to get to know more about you.
Once you have secured the date, youll have to avoid seeing her in between the time you first asked her and the time in which the both of you will be going on a date together. If not, itll feel weird if you guys were to meet before the actual date.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 37 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com The reason why youre doing this is to create a sudden sense of loss for you. Imagine, the both of you constantly meeting one another when suddenly you just disappear. Give her a sense of missing you.
Shell naturally be wondering what happened to you and thinking about you more small subtle things like these might seem like trivial things to you, but believe me, it is with these minor, minor details that eventually add up and stir those feelings of attraction for you
When you give her the gift of missing you, youre building up the anticipation, building it up to a level in which shell be anxiously looking forward to her date with you
So until the first date, take the liberty to leave a little earlier or later just to avoid bumping into her before the actual big day.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 38 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women Fitness/Health Centers
This is my all-time favorite place to meet women fast. Gyms/health centres can be one of the best places for you to quickly build your own network of both male and female friends.
Its a place you go to frequently, the people there are generally all friendly and outgoing, girls go there to meet guys, guys go there to meet girls, everyone knows that its a great place to meet new people I mean, what more can you ask for?
Notice how gyms/health centres now incorporate aerobics/fitness/dance/yoga classes within their entire premise together with the main center? Well, thats your gold mine right in front of you!
There are 4 different groups of people there you can run game on:
1 Sales consultants (who normally will look hot, as with all sales people nowadays) 2 Personal trainers 3 Gym members 4 Members of the aerobic/body pump/yoga/dance classes, etc
1- Sales Consultants
If youve spot one you fancy, just go right up and talk to her. As consultants, it is their job to be friendly with gym members so make the most out of it. Whenever you see her, smile at her and say hi as you see her more often, begin the conversation with fluff talk, fluff talk, get to know her better and move on forward from there
Now, I know of guys who can get too nervous and will be at a loss for words with girls they like if thats your case, find an EXCUSE to talk to her ANY excuse to talk to her is ok ask her about the latest membership promotions they are having now as you have a friend who might be interested to join, ask her anything which has got to do with the gym and shell be more obliged to talk and spend time with you
Some people might think of this tactic as lame but as with all things in life, its always the END RESULT that matters not how you get it.
So, if this means youll have to find out ways (however lame they might seem to other people) to get to know her and have more time alone to run game with her, who cares what fancy techniques youll be using
As long as you get her in the end, right?
2- Personal Trainers
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 39 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com As with personal trainers, if you see someone you like, again make a habit of using your surroundings to strike up conversations with her. Theres so many ways you can do this when you see her just go
You: Hi, hey you look like the best person here who can help me
Her: Oh yup hi. And yes, what can I do for you?
You: Well, heres the thing You see, Ive been doing lots of cardio training lately and its been working well and fine but unfortunately, my legs are starting to ache and Im starting to wonder whether Ive been doing my regime wrong all this while Maybe you could help me out in my training perhaps ?
Her: Sure bla, bla, bla
(Run game)
3 - Gym Members
Youve got to realize that most girls are very focused with their regime as their working out and some may not be as responsive to any of your advances as their running away on the treadmill. But theres no harm in trying though.
What you could in turn do is to acknowledge her when she looks your way and just give out a friendly greeting to her when youre walking past her. Dont be like the rest of the guys who only knows how to stare and gawk at chicks there without doing anything. Youre way passed that stage. Sometimes youll be surprised by what a simple hi greeting to a girl can do to your game.
Once shes familiar with you, the next time you see her, talk to her and ask her name small talk, fluff talk, and slowly get to know her because shes already used to you saying hello and acknowledging her several times before, talking to her will seem like the most natural thing for you to do in most cases, itll be done out of plain courtesy and most important of all, it doesnt look and feel like youre picking her up at all!
The waiting area just outside the aerobics/dance, body pump classes is probably the best place for you to meet people. This is the one place where most people tend to group up and chill out within the gym so that makes it the place you should be in to run game.
4 Members of the aerobic/body pump/yoga/dance classes, etc
This is one of the most overlooked places where you can meet women very quickly its something you simply must explore and leverage on if youre currently a member of a health/fitness club.
I love these classes! Think about it. First off yoga classes. In most cases, 90% of people who join yoga classes are females.
So, why arent you there? And for those who think doing yoga is too gay-ish, screw them. Who cares what they think? The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 40 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com
Youre just there to learn a new art form whilst meeting chicks at the same time.
Do you see anything wrong in being surrounded by sweaty, sexy, fine young thangs? I dont think so too. And the best thing about these classes are that as a class, youre supposed to know another.
I mean, everyone is EXPECTED to get acquainted with each other. What approaches do you need to do there? Thats right. Nothing. Youll just have to smile and introduce yourself to people there. How hard can that be?
Another favorite of mine is the dance classes, especially the more classy ones eg. Salsa, ballroom, etc. You see, the best thing about these classes is that everyone is supposed to be partnered up with someone else.
As youre dancing with her, youre leading her, youre touching her, just imagine 2 perfect strangers who know absolutely nothing of each other, suddenly put into a position of such physical intimacy, both your arms locked above her waist, hers holding firmly around your neck/shoulders. How much more sexier can it get?
In those classes, everyone is supposed to learn from one another and is required to change partners every once in a while. Youre practically forced to know girls there almost automatically.
Life couldnt be sweeter
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 41 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Female HTOs (High Traffic Outlets)
HTOs (high traffic outlets) are places where a LARGE concentration of women normally flock to. The most notable places are obviously are the ones selling womens clothing and accessories mainly because women just love to shop!
Example:
When I see the target, Id just go
Hey, you look like someone who knows how to accessories. I know this is kind of awkward but Im actually looking to for something unique for my cousin sisters birthday. I was wondering whether you could help out a poor soul over here to pick out some stuff for her? I could show you some magic tricks if you like? Ha ha ha!!
(Here youre using female opinion openers which works extremely well because youre asking for a females opinion on fashion and most girls know guys totally SUCK when it comes to fashion/dress sense).
Female opinion openers work EXTREMELY well especially if you ask them to help you in the fashion department whatever they may be for some funny reason, women simply LOVE to accessorize guys and help them pick out clothes.
In day-game sets, one of the most natural ways to approach women is to subtly comment on their appearance, NOT their looks, but their appearance.
Hey, that bracelet looks really unique whered you get them? (If you see her wearing a funky charm bracelet) Hey that blouse youre having on is exactly what Im looking for Whered you get it? Hey, that tattoo on your backs awesome! Whered you get those? I know my sis would love to those too
Get the drift?
Always keep an eye out for unique marks, clothing pieces, accessories you can compliment or comment on as indirect openers it works everytime!
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 42 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Parks
Admittedly, women are very wary of talking to strangers (guys especially duh!) in a park. This is where a lot of crimes and rape cases tend to happen so its not surprising that theyre highly guarded against guys approaching them there.
If its someone you tend to see often, the best way for you to approach a girl here is to just say hi whenever you bump into each other. Thats it.
Continue doing the same for another 2-3 times before you start talking to her. When you do this, it comes off to be more natural when you actually do approach and talk to her. By then, youre just being polite and friendly to strike up a conversation with her.
Youre not a stranger to her anymore and more importantly it doesnt make you look like some life-threatening, weird-ass desperado trying to pick up chicks in the park.
Topics of conversation:
- Hey youre kind of a health freak, arent you? I seem to bump into you here everytime My names Simon by the way and you are? - Do you live nearby? You seem to be here all the time - Hi there, I guess its just proper for me to introduce myself My names Simon and you are? - Your dogs real cute whats her name? (if shes there walking her dog) - Hey thats a neat bike whered you get it? (if shes there riding her bicycle) - Hey those trainers look real cool bet itd make an excellent gift for my sister whered you get them by the way?
Just use whatevers around you as your topic of conversation. You could also start off by talking about both your common interests say if youre there jogging and shes there jogging you can ask her why shed took up jogging in the first place. What got her to take up jogging? Stuff like that.
However if you were to approach a girl whos not a regular at the park, well, the best way is for you use direct openers. You wont get a second chance meeting her again, so its best for you to be direct.
When you see her, walk up to her, smile and say
- Hi there, you come here often? - Hi my names Simon. Nice to meet you and you are?
There are 2 things that might happen when you do this
(a) Shell either give you that you are not worthy stare and just walk away (b) Shell respond to your question and you continue on from there
If she responds to you, then great! But if she brushes you off, then remember that its just a natural defense mechanism for women to not simply talk to strangers in parks The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 43 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com especially, so dont beat yourself up over it just move on to the next approach its just part and parcel of playing the approaching game
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 44 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Wedding Dinner Receptions
Wedding events are very good places to meet women. Its a social event and everyone is supposed to be friendly and mingle around with one another. The ambience is perfect, the lighting/decorations divine, the musics just right, everyones dressed their very best, in fact women LOVE meeting men at events like these (its a girl thing). Women will not be as guarded at events like these which makes it a perfect venue to approach them.
All you need is just a big, warm smile and dressed to your very best. No routines needed.
Remember social etiquette no.1 at any social setting. Always start off small talk by bringing up things that everyone has in common there. In wedding dinners/receptions, one of the best ones to use is this:
You: Hi there so how are you related to the groom/bride?
Of course you can strike up small talk by bringing up work related stuff like so what do you do for a living, where do you work, etc but can you imagine how weird itll sound when you suddenly ask a stranger so, where do you go to work? Theres just something not right there, dont you think?
Know that, at ANY social setting where everyones expected to mingle with one another, youll always be safe when you use the How are you related to the (host)? line.
Its a natural and an easy-to- use ice-breaker and most importantly people use it all the time!
Also remember, at wedding events, never be too picky with the choices of women youd strike up conversations with.
Events like these are the best places to mine for women, just aim to get to know as many acquaintances there, get as many numbers as you can. You can treat it as your very own mining field if you will. And once youre done, you can slowly start getting to know her friends.
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 45 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com Approaching Women In Closed Settings House Parties:
This is an excellent place to meet women.
If you see a girl you like, you open up using the same line I just mentioned awhile ago.
You: Hi there, hows the party been for you so far? Her: Yeah hi Bla, bla, bla You: So how are you related to the (host)? Her: Bla, bla, bla
The Social Proof technique works extremely well in settings like these. All you have to do is to mingle and talk to women there whoever they may be. It doesnt have to be the girl youre eye-ing for. As long as youre having fun talking to the women around you, other women in the room will surely notice. If you want faster results, just make sure you do it close to the proximity of your target.
Naturally when she sees other women having fun talking to you, shell automatically be curious to get to know who you are as well. In a way, youre subtly giving her the perception that youre in demand with the women around you this is social proof at its best.
So once youre finished talking to your female friends, just smile at her, walk up to her, flash that warm smile of yours and get talking
Youll know what to do next
The 'Underground' Approaching Secrets - 46 - Copyright 2007 Simon Heong http://ApproachingWomenTips.Com To Sum It All Up
There is never a hard and fast rule when it comes to approaching women. If youve found a technique that works best for you and youre comfortable using it, then by all means, go ahead with it.
I believe by now you can see how its never about using the most creative pick-up lines, but again more on how you follow through based on her responses that determines the outcome of the approach.
Bear in mind that every woman out there is different, their responses will differ from one woman to the other, some will be open to your advances, some wont. So be flexible in adapting your responses with whatever theyll be throwing at you, and with enough practice, you should come out on top of this Game in no time.
Until then, happy hunting and all the best my friend