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Who is Wayne Elise aka "Juggler"?
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Re: Doing vs Saying / Post 1
Re: Doing vs Saying / Post 1
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Post Date: November 4th, 2001 09:09:55 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
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Go to the bar alone. Approach the first girls you see and chat. Dont worry about their rating. This will warm you up for conversation with the more attractive girls. -juggler On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:14:48 GMT, del***e@de***.com [ safemail ] (Mindlink) wrote: >My life has changed in this way in the past year: When I see a >beautiful woman, instead of thinking what it would like to fuck her, I >know think about what I could say to meet her and get her interested >in me. This is all good. Some nights, when Im on, I will just roll >from one girl to the next, having a great time. But other nights, >maybe when Im meeting some boring friends, I just cant get started. >Ill see the HBs all around, sitting together, even looking bored. >Ill think about what I could say as an opener, and Ill know it will >work. But after Ive spent a few minutes thinking about it, I just >cant go do it. Maybe because I feel like every HB in the place has >already seen me sitting around with my lame friends looking lame. Ive >done the newbie mission and all that, and am not a chickenshit. But >does anyone have any suggestions for just putting yourself into PUA >mode after you feel like youve been sitting around like a wallflower >somewhere. > >I guess Im saying this because I saw two 10s tonight (actually a 10 >and a former-10 since the second woman was slightly older), and I knew >just what to say to get them to come with me to another bar. And I >didnt do it. How can I internalize this stuff, and just act instead >of think???
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Re: How to look at a chick while sarging / Post 2
Re: How to look at a chick while sarging / Post 2
Subject: Re: How to look at a chick while sarging // view thread online
My favorite way of approaching this is to say,"Dont tell me what you do for a living. Let me use my mind powers to figure it out." I then take half a step back and give their entire body a look-over from head to toe. You can make your guess funny "You train wild dogs to perform tricks in the circus." or leading, "You work in a competitive environment." etc.. After studying her body in this way, you have carte blanche to check her out anytime you want and shell ge a thrill from your act of appraising. -juggler On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 00:57:47 GMT, fun***e@ex***.com [ safemail ] wrote: >Say you run into a HB who has a great body. Do you let her see >you looking at her body? Or, do you pretend to be only >interested in making eye contact and "connecting"? Ive seen >recommendations on this group not to look at the chicks tits >when first meeting her, but WTF!? Chicks with great tits are >proud of em so why not show them that you can agree on that?
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Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks / Post 3
Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks / Post 3
Subject: Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks // view thread online

Take her hand and make patterns on her palm. Shell think you are writing a message but she will presume she is too drunk to spell it out. If she asks you what message you are giving her say nothing but simply take her arm and make your weird patterns on the inside of her arm. Keep goiing until you are doodling on her naked backside while she is lying in your bed. Forget words. Use the physical stuff. -juggler On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:29:19 GMT, del***e@de***.com [ safemail ] (Mindlink) wrote: >Okay, this should be easy. But Im having problems here. Whenever I >hit them with any clever opener or pattern, they are simply too drunk >to understand. In fact, they usually try to get away, because SS >engages a womans mind, and when shes drunk her mind is just not >working. So, how do you get and keep a drunk womans attention? > >(I would guess that she wants to have a good time. My problem is that >what Ive learned here TELLS a girl that I know how to have a good >time. Drunk girls need to be SHOWN this. How?)
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Re: parting is so sweet / Post 4
Subject: Re: parting is so sweet // view thread online

Post Date: November 4th, 2001 09:42:19 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
It is obvious you are not going to let a girl walk over you. That is a good trait. However I think this situation was winable. When she told you her friiend was with her you could have said, "No problem." Turned to the friend and said, "As long as she doesnt mind watching us kiss." If you said this in a playful way it would have been money. Dont think of the friend as poodle-headed. Think of her as another way to demonstrate how interesting/funny you can be. Charm her friend and they will both want you. When the friend chases you ask her if she would like to meet one of your friends. Write down her number. She will at that point be working for you cause you are going to fix her up with someone. -Juggler On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:19:51 GMT, "Colonel Monkey" <eat***z@ho***.com [ safemail ] > wrote: >one word...awesome, good luck upon your path to become a PUA >"Fatass" <user@127.0.0.1> wrote in message >news:2q2***g@4a***.com [ safemail ] ... >> Had a meeting scheduled today with a woman Ive seen about half a >> dozen times so far, over a period of about six months. Sounds sad >> already, huh? :-)) >> >> I first met her before I started reading this ng, and as Ive warmed >> up to being an RAFC Ive found myself cooling off to her. She flakes >> right and left, and she seems to think that I should accept it. Im >> in a major AFC country in Eastern Europe, and the guys here just kind >> of chase after these bitches like little dogs begging for a meal. >> >> The last time I was supposed to see her she wasnt where she was >> supposed to be at the right time, so after ten minutes I split. Fuck >> her, I thought. I dont want to waste ANY time waiting for her. She >> later e-mailed me and apologized, etc., and I waited ten days or so >> and then called her again. Told her we were going to go for a ride. >> >> Today was going to be the day that I either put it to her or got rid >> of her, no equivocation. You have to draw the line somewhere or they >> will string you along forever. Thats the game. >>
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>> So. Comes the time, comes the place, and there she was, with >> -SURPRISE!- her stupid, ugly, poodle-headed GF who I cant stand. >> They both ran right over and jumped in the car, my target in the front >> and the GF in the back. >> >> "Marias with me," she said, "I hope theres no problem." >> >> "Yes, there is a problem," I replied. >> >> "Why?" she asked. >> >> "Because you and I are not children," I answered. >> >> "But why is there a problem?" she asked. >> >> "Because Im not going to play this game with you anymore," I said. >> >> "But why -- ?" >> >> "Get out of my car, please." I reached across and popped the door >> handle. >> >> "But Maria and I want to have coffee with you." >> >> "Get out of my car." >> >> "Why?" >> >> I turned off the engine, got out of the car, walked around to her >> door, and opened it. "Please get out of my car." >> >> They both got out. I gave them a cheerful "Goodbye" and left. >> >> Maybe some of you guys would have turned that whole thing around, but >> I have just had fucking enough from this bitch. >> >> She is 31 years old. > >
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Re: getting with a girl i know / Post 5
Subject: Re: getting with a girl i know // view thread online

It would be good if you could become more outgoing. Working a group is a valuable skill. But using your present level of comfort: Your immediate goal is to seperate your girl from the friends. Consider teaming up with another guy who would chat up one or both of the friends so you could one on one your girl. Use a wingman in the lunch room. Another alternative would be to approach her friends seperatly and show them what a great guy you are. Once you are in with them approaching all three should be easier for you. As far as worrying about her being weirded out because you are acting differently; just tell her you finished reading a facinating book on interpersonal relationships and you foiund it very enlightening. This will help her see you in a new light believing that maybe you have found a way to be in touch with your previously untapped potential. -Juggler On 4 Nov 2001 17:53:10 -0800, rhi***n@cl***.edu [ safemail ] (Ryan) wrote: >There is this girl I know (yeah, yeah One-itis, i know) who ive known >for a little over a year now. Shes on the team with me here at >college, and we live in the same part of campus so we see each other >just about every day. Im interested in her, but since i know her >already its kind of different than just trying to get with some girl >who i dont know at all. > >Since, Ive known her I havent usually talked to her very much. maybe >some casual, friendly but short conversations every once in a while, >but not too much. I tend to be on the shy side and dont talk a whole >lot so that leads me to think that if i were to suddenly start talking >to her and flirting with her now it would seem very out of the >ordinary. I dont know how she would respond to this. > >Another thing is that I can talk to girls better when its just me and >the girl. when there are more people around it gets more difficult for >me to talk. there are 2 girls on the team (one is her roommate and the >other is one of her suite mates) who she is ALWAYS with - either with >both of the girls or just one of them. so, when she walks into the >dining hall while im in there or when i see her at practice, or at
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>one of the teams parties, shes with her trio. this makes it >difficult for me to talk to her. > >so, basically, how do i try to get her interested in me without just >making it immediately blatantly obvious that im interested. i dont >know. id like to get something started here, but i dont want to go >about it wrong. let me know what you think.
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Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6
Subject: Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) // view thread online
Good post. Brings up alot of things to think about. But two concepts jump out. This may seem counter intuitive but If you get along superbly with a girl. If the conversation is real smooth and you end up finishing each others sentences, this is usually a bad sign. A little awkwardness on her part is sexual tension which needs be relieved. I dont think she is trying to scam you. She may be afraid of sex. You may want to try attacking the problem through the back door. Tell her you have thought about things and that you can see alot of good in her ideas about waiting for marraige to have sex. Talk about the importance of self-respect and keeping boundries. Come off as believable, and maybe a little too much into these ideas. She may at this point try to back you off a little. From there try to transition into finding out what she would do with a husband on the wedding night. What will the passion be like when she finally has sex. She should get at least little horny talking about these things. Also pin down what qualifys as sex. Is a backrub losing her virginity? Is kissing? Is oral sex? If she tells you where the edge of the boundry is then you have permission to go there. Once you have arrived make it great. If thiis feels good enough she will let you sneak over the border. -Juggler On 4 Nov 2001 19:29:45 -0800, wil***0@ya***.com [ safemail ] (SuperBobo) wrote: >Hey I need your advice. Could you analyze this situation and let me >know if there is a possibility that this girl is scamming me? Thanks! > >Been seeing a girl (HB8Brainy) who, right off the bat, told me shes a >virgin saving it for marriage. But I paid about as much attention to >that as any ASFer would. So I chatted her up and kinoed her, and she >got all huffy about me touching her but .. like... well, she said, >"None of the other guys Ive met are this touchy. Most guys know I >dont like to be touched." But physically she didnt withdraw and >seemed okay with it. And she was smiliing the whole time and .. you >know when a girl protests against something youre doing but has a >certain smile on her face at the same time? Well thats how this girl >was acting. > >So I invited her out for ice-cream and we got our sundaes and I only
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>had a $100 bill and they wouldnt take it so she ended up paying. I >was kind of embarrassed but she was totally down with it for some >reason. (Previously I bought her a cup of coffee so its not like >Ive spent a ton of cash on this broad-- in fact after today shes >spent more on me!) > >So anyway we previously agreed wed "just be friends" because shes a >Christian and Im an Atheist and she wants to get married and I said >Im never getting married.. we are polar opposites in many ways (as >mentioned in another post)... > >So after the ice cream were out there on the shore walking around and >Im talking and I grab her and put my arm around her and she says, >"Thats not a friend thing to do." and I say, "On the contrary, >thats a VERY friendly thing to do." and she says "I think youre >going to have problems respecting the boundaries of our friendship." >and I say "heck no, we just have to define what those boundaries are, >right? If I layed a big hug on you right now, that would be what good >friends do, right? Friends are always hugging each other." and she >said, "You know Im not comfortable with people touching me." and blah >blah blah and anyway I got her to give me this really good hug that >she seemed all nervous about and then she was all excited and >immediately wanted to turn back so she could go to church (!) What a >bizarre chick. > >SOOOOOOOO my point with all this is, this is a chick who SEEMS like >shes all shy and not used to guys touching her. HOWEVER, she seems >down with it at some level, and almost as if shes looking to lose her >virginity but doesnt want her conscious mind to know it (shes 22). >ON THE OTHER HAND, since Im usually considered "marriage material" >because of my job and family background, Im thinking this could be a >"Rules-esque" plot to relieve me of my cherished bachelorhood. That >is, perhaps this chick has slept with a ton of guys and has NO PROBLEM >being touched, BUT once she sees me she thinks to herself (consciously >or unconsciously), "How can I get this guy to chase me and chase me >and chase me... by pretending Im all shy and then allowing him to >open me up bit by bit over a long period of time. He will feel all >happy that he was the first to get me to open up, and if he sinks >enough time and emotional energy into me he may just marry me. When >it comes down to it, I TOLD him from the start that Im not going to >fuck until married, so I can always play that card when I need to." >Yes, thats a pretty paranoid thing to think, but I certainly wouldnt >put it past a girl to do that, IF she was smart enough and desirous >enough to do it. > >Shes a very suave and smart girl, and she might be capable of playing >that game out. I already feel like a fool for going out twice with >her and coming out of it with a fucking HUG, but shes got a hot body >and I like her. IF Id been spending money on her Id be out the >door--because theres NO WAY I spend money on a girl whos not putting >out, but the fact that Ive spent basically no cash on her is part of >the reason Im not ditching her. > >Otherwise shes very EASY to get along with.. If I fuck up in convo or >say something dumb, she covers it like nothing happened. Ive called
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>and left dopey messages on her answering machine and we always seem to >get back together. > >Its like were complete opposites in most ways, but were totally the >same overall. Ever just resonate with some chick without even trying? > Thats kind of how we are (or how we SEEM to be). Shes three years >younger but our birthdays are 2 days apart in the same month. > >SOOOOOOOOo Im not sure if this girl, who is very sexual even though >she seems to "not want to be touched," is just playing me? OR if >shes really a virgin who is trying to break through all her fears and >learn how to enjoy physical intimacy. > >And for those who say Ive got "one-itis".. youre not far off, BUT I >have an emergency back-door escape hatch: if two months elapse from >the first "date" with a girl and no nooky has happened, shes >automatically out the door, no matter how close we are. Thats an >ABSOLUTE 60 days from the first date, even if we only see each other a >few times within that 60. This is a last-ditch bachelor escape hatch >-- it absolutely prevents string-alongs. Even if it seems Im one >step away from getting laid, at 60 days, its ALL OVER if it hasnt >happened, because Ive NEVER laid a girl if it didnt happen within 60 >days of our initial meeting. Yes, Ive been let down when Ive been >"that close" to laying a girl at 60 days, but Ive NEVER been strung >along since that rule took effect. YMMV. > >So in any event, from the modicum of info Ive given you, Id really >like it if you could give me your thoughts on whether this is a >marriage string-along or if this girl is really trying to lose it? >Are there any tests I could do to make sure? > >Thanks so much! > >BOBO
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Re: Foreiner / Post 7
Re: Foreiner / Post 7
Subject: Re: Foreiner // view thread online

On 4 Nov 2001 22:08:10 -0800, gry***n@ga***.edu [ safemail ] (~Raskolnikov) wrote: >Any advice for asking out a Russian hb foreign exchange student from >Saint Petersburg, at college here in Minnesot Tell her you need her advice on a good vodka. Take her with you to pick out a bottle then take her to your place so she can show you vodka drinking games which all russians know. -juggler
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Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 8
Subject: Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? // view thread online
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:59:22 GMT, "Mission Impossibilist" <jle***1@ho***.com [ safemail ] > wrote: >To All: > >I have a very interesting situation for you! I live in California and I >joined up in a nightly co-ed basketball league to see how well SS ect can >work on a singles sporting event. basically people join up and the >organizers split you up into co-ed teams and it may be a good way to meet >targets. They put me into a basketball team with one HB that I am >targeting. > >Target profile: Blue eyes blonde, UCLA educated in Archeology, 30 yrs old, >probably single, working low paying office secretarial job. Not very >talkative, very few physical actions to mirror, conservative in nature. Not >slutty and no visible "attitude" of supermodel. Eliciting values showed she >valued security, ect. Buying her own place is important to her. When I >mentioned I own a place she lit up! > >Situation profile: there are others guys in the group but they are AFCs, >ect ...in other words no valid threat. In these Tuesday basketball games >people come in to the gym every week and gather together (this is the first >chance to talk) before the game starts. We play the game and can sub off so >if HB subs off the sametime as me then we get to talk. Game ends and >typically HB would just walk off. If you can time it right you can walk >off with her and more time to connect. > > >Strategy: Depending on when the HB arrives the time between arrival and >game start (interruption) can vary. Since there is no extended time to >sargy and close smoothly...metapatterns may have to be used. Tactics >include finding commonalities what she values ect. > >Guys are afraid to talk to her and usually cluster together and she is too >cold or conservative to initiate talking so guys are no threat. > >So I started off and found many commonalities with her (i went to UCLA too, >visited Italy too, enjoy the same stuff, ect). > >I get rapport by using the words used in patterns and I used them (sounding >like an average everyday conversation -- ie no great seductive tonalities ->let the owrds work by themselves) and the patterns all involved Instant >Connections, how we relate, memory regression, ect. The idea is to gain the
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>rapport before you drop in the serious patterns at close on a "date" then >drop in the sexual ones ect when you know no one else will interrupt. > >Last Encounter: > >The idea was to work a bit slowly, find out about her...develop patterns >meant for this specific type, and then drop in a pattern and close. I think >I have rapport...so now I can drop in deeper more intense patterns without >as much fear...then close. > >One day I walked out the same time she did and had a chance to talk. It >went well. > >It was near time to close and I wanted to close on the way to the door. >However, there is this "moderately" attractive (6.5) single mom girl who I >overheard say to the HB how she (single mom)was afraid of her own safety and >she was afraid the last time she walked out to the parking lot alone. I >think there is a possibility that she doesnt like HB with me, she is >genuinely afraid for HB, or she is being an obstacle. I saw them leave and >I was trying to work the group (prevent obstacles...ect). I admit I didnt >spend as much time disarming the group and the single mom one but I find >that if I spend too much time working the crowd that I dont have any time >left to work the HB. > >In this case they walked out and I politely said good bye and walked out and >arrived at the aprking lot as I saw them pull away in their individal >vehicles. The problem is that I do not know what kind of payload the single >mom may have dropped (what she said to HB) if any in those 3 minutes. It >couldve been that the obstacle was too shy to say much damage. But then >again it doesnt take much...all she has to do is ask something like "Are >you actually going out with him?!" or "Is he hitting on you?!"...ect. This >will plant doubts in HBs mind. The other forecastable alternatives to >cock-blocking is mentioning various physical dangers (ie attack, rape, ect). >Or saying that all I want is sex ect... > >What I need to do is come up with a pattern/strategy/tactic to mitigate the >damage the obstacle may have already caused and get her enough into a state >to close on her. Please Help! Next Time I see her will be on Tuesday! > >John > Arrange a get together for after basketball at a nearby pub. Invite everybody including your girl. If she cant make it, go anyway and have a good time. Next time you see her talk about how much fun it was. She will eventually want to go out with the group. When she does be charming and seperate her in the pub - ask her to go play darts or something. You got to get her into a different environment where you can show you are not just ne of the basketball guys. -Juggler
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Subject: Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? // view thread online
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:59:22 GMT, "Mission Impossibilist" <jle***1@ho***.com [ safemail ] > wrote: >To All: > >I have a very interesting situation for you! I live in California and I >joined up in a nightly co-ed basketball league to see how well SS ect can >work on a singles sporting event. basically people join up and the >organizers split you up into co-ed teams and it may be a good way to meet >targets. They put me into a basketball team with one HB that I am >targeting. > >Target profile: Blue eyes blonde, UCLA educated in Archeology, 30 yrs old, >probably single, working low paying office secretarial job. Not very >talkative, very few physical actions to mirror, conservative in nature. Not >slutty and no visible "attitude" of supermodel. Eliciting values showed she >valued security, ect. Buying her own place is important to her. When I >mentioned I own a place she lit up! > >Situation profile: there are others guys in the group but they are AFCs, >ect ...in other words no valid threat. In these Tuesday basketball games >people come in to the gym every week and gather together (this is the first >chance to talk) before the game starts. We play the game and can sub off so >if HB subs off the sametime as me then we get to talk. Game ends and >typically HB would just walk off. If you can time it right you can walk >off with her and more time to connect. > > >Strategy: Depending on when the HB arrives the time between arrival and >game start (interruption) can vary. Since there is no extended time to >sargy and close smoothly...metapatterns may have to be used. Tactics >include finding commonalities what she values ect. > >Guys are afraid to talk to her and usually cluster together and she is too >cold or conservative to initiate talking so guys are no threat. > >So I started off and found many commonalities with her (i went to UCLA too, >visited Italy too, enjoy the same stuff, ect). > >I get rapport by using the words used in patterns and I used them (sounding >like an average everyday conversation -- ie no great seductive tonalities ->let the owrds work by themselves) and the patterns all involved Instant >Connections, how we relate, memory regression, ect. The idea is to gain the
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>rapport before you drop in the serious patterns at close on a "date" then >drop in the sexual ones ect when you know no one else will interrupt. > >Last Encounter: > >The idea was to work a bit slowly, find out about her...develop patterns >meant for this specific type, and then drop in a pattern and close. I think >I have rapport...so now I can drop in deeper more intense patterns without >as much fear...then close. > >One day I walked out the same time she did and had a chance to talk. It >went well. > >It was near time to close and I wanted to close on the way to the door. >However, there is this "moderately" attractive (6.5) single mom girl who I >overheard say to the HB how she (single mom)was afraid of her own safety and >she was afraid the last time she walked out to the parking lot alone. I >think there is a possibility that she doesnt like HB with me, she is >genuinely afraid for HB, or she is being an obstacle. I saw them leave and >I was trying to work the group (prevent obstacles...ect). I admit I didnt >spend as much time disarming the group and the single mom one but I find >that if I spend too much time working the crowd that I dont have any time >left to work the HB. > >In this case they walked out and I politely said good bye and walked out and >arrived at the aprking lot as I saw them pull away in their individal >vehicles. The problem is that I do not know what kind of payload the single >mom may have dropped (what she said to HB) if any in those 3 minutes. It >couldve been that the obstacle was too shy to say much damage. But then >again it doesnt take much...all she has to do is ask something like "Are >you actually going out with him?!" or "Is he hitting on you?!"...ect. This >will plant doubts in HBs mind. The other forecastable alternatives to >cock-blocking is mentioning various physical dangers (ie attack, rape, ect). >Or saying that all I want is sex ect... > >What I need to do is come up with a pattern/strategy/tactic to mitigate the >damage the obstacle may have already caused and get her enough into a state >to close on her. Please Help! Next Time I see her will be on Tuesday! > >John > Arrange a get together for after basketball at a nearby pub. Invite everybody including your girl. If she cant make it, go anyway and have a good time. Next time you see her talk about how much fun it was. She will eventually want to go out with the group. When she does be charming and seperate her in the pub - ask her to go play darts or something. You got to get her into a different environment where you can show you are not just ne of the basketball guys. -Juggler
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Re: turning around a LJBF / Post 10
Subject: Re: turning around a LJBF // view thread online

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:13:17 +0200, "MpegLayer4" <chr***x@so***.net [ safemail ] > wrote: >ok i got this HB8.5 i know, but the crap prob is she rates im just her >advisor, which wont cut it for me. Unfortunately we hang in the same social >circles and stuff a lot, so I cant just tell her to shove it if she doesnt >like my ideal for our relationship (were quite popular, and i think neither >of us wanna look like losers who cant pull it off, or in her case who has >some guy tuning crud about her). so how can i subtly pull her around. like >just gimme a plan or something of action to follow, and an example for each >phase and ill work it from there. >And also: when she starts telling me about her problems how do i turn that >around into her experiencing a positive experience, like not her problems. >(I tried something cuz when i was eliciting values what she said she likes >is someone who sticks by her side and listens to her and supports her >basically, but this isnt working for me. im just becoming a friend). Shes >just broken from a LTR and shes got problems (suicide in friend, etc...) and >shes not looking, but shes a challenge and I love a challenge. >What do you think? > >PS. I know it sounds like I got oneitis, but I dont, seriously, Im spading >this other chick and 90% of the time when I go out I get girls nrs, so I >reckon Im OK. > >shot a lot >~~Chris Invite her over. Ask her what is on her mind. When she starts in with her problems get behind her and rub her shoulders. Keep her talkng and sympathize with her gripes. Keep her talking. Then kiss the back of her neck. She will instantly stop talking. Tell her to go on. If she continues talking then you keep kissing and you are in. If she gets upset that you kissed her neck do not explain yourself. Just let her gripe about this too. Agree if she says you are a bad man. If she is attracted to you at all she will come back to you in a few days. Just do the same kind of thing - go for some physical stuff. This will break her perception of you as a safe friend. You just got to be prepared to wait out the time it may take for her to get used to the idea.
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If she tells your social circle that you made a move on her then all the good. Let the other chicks know you are a guy who is physical. Many girls are tired of the guys who are afraid to make a move. Above all be bold. It is very difficult to get out of friend land with words. Dont tell her the kind of man you are, show her the kind of man you are, Save the hocus pocus patterns for new girls. -Juggler
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Re: Do any of you have male buddies? / Post 11
Re: Do any of you have male buddies? / Post 11
Subject: Re: Do any of you have male buddies? // view thread online
You may find yourself shifting back and forth. When I was a beginner I wanted to have friends to go out with. I needed the security. As I became better at seduction I went out alone. Buddies just got in the way. Now, however, my game has gone to another level and I feel it doesnt matter one way or the other. I am good enough to overcome the obstacle of clueless hanger-ons. I actually enjoy the challenge. And lately, instead of wishing my friends were more skilled, I have been incorporating their ineptitude into my seduction. For example, I went to a new spot Tuesday night. Lots of cute girls. Five guys from this club meeting tagged along. Except for the giant Lars, they are unremarkable and never talk with women. They were completely out of their element and it showed. So as Im talking with a couple girls. They ask me who I am with. I gesture over at the row hugging the bar and say, "My fan club." All five guys waved in unison. It was a Kodak moment.
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ann arbor / Post 12
ann arbor / Post 12
Subject: ann arbor // view thread online

Looking for Wings and/or guys to talk shop with in the Ann Arbor MI area. If you are over 21 and dedicated to speed seduction drop me a line. Juggler email: jug***r@ti***.com [ safemail ]
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Re: ann arbor / Post 13
Subject: Re: ann arbor // view thread online

Hey David, Yeah, Ann Arbor is great. I really cant imagine a better PU environment for my type of approach. There are lots of cute grad students here and out of town women come here for a fun get-away and are very open to adventure. We should do the wing thing here. I usually go out four nights a week. What nights can you make it over? -Juggler On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 02:51:47 GMT, David Shade <dav***e@ho***.com [ safemail ] > wrote: > >Juggler wrote: >> >> Looking for Wings and/or guys to talk shop with in the Ann Arbor MI >> area. If you are over 21 and dedicated to speed seduction drop me >> a line. >> >> Juggler >> >> email: jug***r@ti***.com [ safemail ] > > >Hey Juggler, >Im in Detroit, and I love sarging in Ann Arbor, where the women are >intelligent and beautiful. Ive always had fun there. > >David Shade > >http://davidshade.com
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Re: What are your ANSWERS if a girl asks you Mystery ... / Post 14
Re: What are your ANSWERS if a girl asks you Mystery ... / Post 14
Subject: Re: What are your ANSWERS if a girl asks you Mystery QUESTIONS (back) ? //
view thread online Post Date: November 18th, 2001 10:01:20 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
That brings up an interesting point. Every question or idea I bring up with a girl I prepare an answer for in advacne in case she turns the question around on me. You sound like you are looking to do this too. If she turns around soemthing on you it is generally a good thing. Here is why. If you were to say something witty or insightful to a girl she will be impressed, but if you were to answer one of her questions in a witty or insightful way she will be doubly impressed - it has an unrehearsed quality about it. This is something I have learned as a performer. So much of what takes place in a good show is "tricking" the audience into asking for something you have planned for in advance.Therefore they think it was their idea and you have created ar chance to hit one out of the ball park So.... to answer your question. Do this when she asks what qualifications you have: Tell her you have to show her. Move around behind her and say, "I give really good back rubs." Rub her shoulders. Congrats - you are in. -Juggler
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Re: dinner, drinks, who gets the bill? / Post 15
Re: dinner, drinks, who gets the bill? / Post 15
Subject: Re: dinner, drinks, who gets the bill? // view thread online
These guys are right about not going on expensive "dates" But you can be even cheaper and still be smooth. Ask for the bill early. When it comes, just set it between you. Then ignore it. It will eventually weigh on her mind and she will pick it up. When she does, smile and make a joke. "Dont think you spending money on me means Im easy." -Juggler On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:05:53 -0600, "Read My Posts" <non***e@no***.net [ safemail ] > wrote: > post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com > >I have found all the information on here as well as seduction.com very >useful. The techniques make alot of sence (i just need to go put them to >use). The only thing I have a real question about is the "woman buying her >own drinks, food". When you meet someone from the internet and ask them to >meet you for a drink somewhere (first encounter together), how do you >tactfully let them buy thier own drink/food? I mean, its alot different if >you are approaching a woman for the first time at a bar/club and dont offer >to buy her a drink. It just doesent seem natural to ask a woman to meet you >(they think thats a date) then make her buy her own stuff. What is the >gracefull way to still be smooth and not buy her stuff on the first meet? >This may be a stupid question, "is it better to let the woman buy her own >stuff on a first meeting (date) or will she think you are an asshole if you >tell her she has to buy her own"? > > > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =---->http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 90,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
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Re: Elicited that she and her ex were both stubborn. ... / Post 16
Re: Elicited that she and her ex were both stubborn. ... / Post 16
Subject: Re: Elicited that she and her ex were both stubborn. Does she want a guy who compromises in arguments? // view thread online
She just likes to debate a little. The rule is: Dont try to change a womans mind. Change her mood. Well, you can follow that rule and break it at the same time in this case. Ask her what she thinks is the best way of kissing or sex or even a romantic evening. Then tell her your way is better. Have a fun debate which ends in you agreeing to try both ways to see which is better. -Juggler
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Re: Controlling your OWN state / Post 17
Re: Controlling your OWN state / Post 17
Subject: Re: Controlling your OWN state // view thread online

Hey Spawn. Dont listen to the nae sayers. I for one, like your posts. Thoughtful stuff. But I have to disagree on this point. I take a page from Mystery here. The state you want to be in is talkative. I have been in bad moods and talkative about what was bothering me and met and seduced girls very well. Talkative is the mode. And Im afaid many guys use the "Im not in the proper state" as an excuse for not approaching. -Juggler On 16 Nov 2001 19:37:31 -0800, tom***0@ho***.com [ safemail ] (BurgerSpawn) wrote: >I have much easier times changing other peoples states compared with >changing my own. Things should be the other way around. To be >effective in mastering bitches, you must first master oneself. [quote >off of someone here.. maybe alphahot1,...] > >Im current experimenting with the PROGRESSION theory in my previous >post. Whenever I feel down, or unmotivated ... I want to go directly >to a super charged state, or a really excited, adventurous state. >Doesnt work most the time though. I believe changing ones state >lies within step by step progression, likewise with changing other >peoples states. > >To be the most effective PUA we can be.. we must first be in the best >possible states for sarging before we take our women there.
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Re: Seduction in the Sheets / Post 18
Re: Seduction in the Sheets / Post 18
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Hey Kipp, To get the girls to take more of a proactive lead in bed you may want to alter your behavior from the get go. We all know the benefits of applying keno early on. But what I think you ought to consider is working on getting her to apply reciprocating keno to you early on as well. Rub her back and then tell her its her turn to rub yours, use games to get her touching you early on, etc. This may get her used to being an initiator with the physical stuff. -Juggler
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Re: Failure Report / Post 19
Re: Failure Report / Post 19
Subject: Re: Failure Report // view thread online

Have you read the recent Alphahot1 thread on initiating keno from the beggining? This would have helped tremendously. When you went for the kiss you were acting incongrous with the behavior you had demonstrated up to that point. Thus she freaks out cause you have become a different person. You also need to compress the time frame. Do all that stuff in a single night. -Juggler
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Re: Big Questions (??) / Post 20
Subject: Re: Big Questions (??) // view thread online

You should become a club guy. You need the numbers that a club provids to practice. All begginnners should start in a club. To begin with go in and talk to some girls you are not attracted to. This will get you used to making approches in clubs. Make friends with them and then branch out to the girls you are attracted to. BTW If a girl you are not attracted to hits on you, be nice, tell her you are looking for a very specific girl and she is not quite your type but tell her you have a friend you would like to introduce her to. Get her number and maybe set her up with a more suitable/desperate buddy. -Juggler On 17 Nov 2001 12:30:24 -0800, wor***c@ya***.com [ safemail ] (Prime Minister of AFC-land) wrote: >I have tried malls and bookstores and other places like that and they >dont seem to be working for me. Contrary to what lots of people >claim, malls are full of ugly old women and girlfriends with >boyfriends, and lots of young teenage girls just going through >puberty. Plus its hard to tell a lot of the time if the girl is at >least 18 while she is moving, which makes things harder. Not only >that but I cant approach the young women who work there because with >all of the times I have walked alone around there many recognize me >and I get self-conscious about that, which is one reason I have >decided to try something else out. >So I have decided to try out clubs, although I am totally >inexperienced with this and have not gone to them yet. If one really >has no social life or friends, how should one go about in these clubs >to pick up HBs??? Usually when I go out to try to PU my level of >anxiety rises to levels where I am forced to take a few drinks in >order to relax, and that gives me slightly more control. I am just >thinking about going into the clubs blasted, because then I am a >totally different person and more confident. For those who say I need >meds to control anxiety or need some psychotherapy, please do me a >favor and do not respond. This is the way I am and I am just going to >get blasted, end of story. Anyway I will be trying it out solo. :) > >Another RAFC
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Re: Controlling from excessive sexual desire / Post 21
Re: Controlling from excessive sexual desire / Post 21
Subject: Re: Controlling from excessive sexual desire // view thread online
During those times use GM style. Your sexual feelings will help that type fo game. -Juggler On 18 Nov 2001 01:28:35 -0800, bro***o@ou***.edu [ safemail ] (Kontol) wrote: >Okay, another question. This sounds almost like a troll, but > >Have you ever been in situation or one-of-those-weeks when youre >extremely sexual (ie. gets horny easily) that it greatly affects your >PUing game? > >Aside from freaking (my previous post), I noticed that when Im in >those weeks when Im "easily aroused", it influences me back to AFC >and degrades my game severely. I mean, we maintain the >chicks-are-dimes-a-dozen frameset, so sexuality is ignored completely >at first (and eventually being brought up depending on how the >situation goes). Just like what Svengali mentioned on his MLTR >article, put away their sexual attraction first. > >But when a person is so enormously horny, its like pushing him to >must-get-the-girls-to-bed-no-matter-what regardless their HB ratings, >so hes going back to AFC frameset and pressurize his PUAing. > >Some people says masturbation helps reduce the urge, but for me it >does the complete opposite. > >Any tips or advices how to keep yourself under control from your >extreme sexual desires during PUing? Other suggestions?
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Re: Get Freaky? / Post 22
Subject: Re: Get Freaky? // view thread online

Yeah, dancing is really not a smart thing to do in most situations. But if you must here are is the way: Forget the grinding. Girls grind with a lot of guys. It means nothing. What you want is hand contact. Take a girls hand and do a few turns with her.This can really be done to any music. Lead her. This will set you apart from all the horn-dogs trying to grind on her hip. Put her hand on your abs and turn. Lift her arms up over her head and keno both sides of her entire body top to bottom. When the song changes, lead her by the hand off the dance floor and to a quiet corner. Keep Keno up and seduce. -Juggler On 18 Nov 2001 00:35:46 -0800, bro***o@ou***.edu [ safemail ] (Kontol) wrote: >This is a little out of topic because its about approaching girls to >"freak" with me in clubs, not necessarily PUAing them. > >2 general things I used to do to get freaked: > >- grinding the girls side by side or from the back. Results: most of >the time they turn away to their friends. I got freaked few times, but >mostly becuz the girls are very very open to freaking. > >- Dancing alone. Results: totally random. > >I finally realized that most of the time Im freaking with girls, they >were always be the one who initiate it first. So tonight I decided to >be different. > >I started approaching and maintaining eye contact with the girls I >wanna freak with. They were okay and started to dance close with me. >BUT when I decided to touch them (either on hips or back), they >creeped out big time. > >Dancing in clubs is not a good way to PUA in general, but freaking, >however, is really interesting because this is when reading body >language and initiating/pacing/leading are much more essential than >any verbal communication. >
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>Any advise to do better in approaching for freaking?
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Re: online dating tip / Post 23
Subject: Re: online dating tip // view thread online

Tzeen is right. Try to meet grils in person. If you insist on following up with this girl, send her a pic. Just make it one of girls hanging on you. Then invite her to a party or a club where there are lots of people around. Tell her to bring her friends. Then get her alone in the place and work from there. She is just being cautious. -Juggler On 17 Nov 2001 18:32:50 -0800, hig***6@ya***.com [ safemail ] (ladejaman) wrote: >Seducers and negotiators, > >Ok. The situation is this girl digs me >for intelligence for whatever reasons she >thought I was :-) > >We didnt exchange pics (i knew about her fig) >I asf supplicated with a full fledged dinner >(damn!) proposal(making blinding seem exciting) >with details. >she never responded. >i lost battle-I. > >i cancelled(as if there was a confirmed plan) >date saying u didnt confirm i made other plans. >she responds, says she has exams in two weeks >and i should send her my pic, she has sent hers. > >Now, I want to say it in a few words that >she misses out on me if she isnt showing >up for a coffee/drink within next week. i >could send her my pic without sounding >supplicating. > >Whats a good way to say that in as FEW WORDS >AS POSSIBLE and sound casual? > >"hmmm... lets get together for a "short" while >this week over coffee/drink to see if we
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>have a chemistry... > >life is mysterious... the stranger knocking >at the door with flowers may not be there >tomorrow ... >who knows whats in store for next moment, afterall? >bad, i may miss out on knowing an intriguing >personality." > >I have a feeling that I am overdoing the missing out >part above ... that takes away the punch. >Is it? > >Besides, she may have exams... i dont have great >online skills so dont want to exchange emails. > >Suggestions ? Corrections ? Proposals ? > >Thanks. >high
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Subject: Re: ann arbor // view thread online

Youll love it. Look me up when you get here. -Juggler On 21 Nov 2001 04:29:19 GMT, sandhkman317@aol.competency (James Dickson) wrote: >>Subject: ann arbor > >Sorry for breaking into your thread Juggler, but I just wanted to announce to >the group that I just got accepted to the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor. >Thats where Ill be for the next four years: with about 20,000 girls to keep >me company. This year is gonna be a crashcourse in seduction before I head off >to college > >------------------------------------------------------------------------->-------------------------------------------->"Im the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" >Bret Hitman Hart.
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She is walking out of my life.... / Post 25
Subject: She is walking out of my life.... // view thread online

Post Date: December 2nd, 2001 10:17:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Good response from Fatass. All true. However I have come to believe very few situations are not winable - including getting a girl back - if you have the skill and apply it properly. In this case, since you are a begginner you should probably just move on and sleep with other girls, etc.. So I guess my suggestions go out to the rest of the group here who are a little more experienced. It all goes back to the axiom: Dont try to change a girls mind. Change her mood. So... dont fight the break-up. Talk to her about other stuff.. like patterns and funny stories and charming things... Im sure you will think of something. Keep the lines of communication open and talk with her, apply keno etc.. But do not suggest getting back together. Just do the shit that you need to re-attract her. If you do that WELL, she will be wanting to get back with you. It may not be immediate but it will happen once she really learns that you are asking nothing of her but you are great to be with. If you always work at putting her in the mood there are very few rules you can not break. An example, once upon a time I used to fret over caller ID. Should I use *67? Should I just let her see my number on the display. If she doesnt answer should I call back. What is she going to think if she sees my number? If she sees a pattern of ID block she will figure it was me when she picks up a blocked number and it is me. I used to get so stressed. Now I just call. Let her see the number. Call a few times. I called a girl five times. Got her on the phone finally. She asks if that was me who called all those other times. I said, "Yep. People need to hear my important thoughts asap." Then I went right into a funny story about my neice. Later in the conversation she got off on my bedroom voice routine. She loved the conversation. She asked me out. The fact that I called five times like an AFC is washed out by how good I was in the conversation.
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So my advice to many people in here is to forget alot of the "rules". Focus on getting real good at putting a woman in the mood. Once you can do that, little else matters. -Juggler
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High School Girls!!!!!!!! / Post 26
High School Girls!!!!!!!! / Post 26
Subject: High School Girls!!!!!!!! // view thread online

Great advice by FinalD. I might add, that you should take a long view of this. Which is not easy, I know. But for all highschool is played up in movies - the real fun starts when you get older, go to college, etc. For a guy, opportunities generally get better as you get older. I now look forward to ten years from now when I am in my 40s as the best years. With that in mind, focus on your skills. You would be far ahead, getting real good at chatting up girls and never scoring in highschool as opposed to scoring because you were in the right click or you spread a juicy rumor. Once you can talk in seductive ways nothing will stand in your way. -Juggler
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Opinions wanted on a hot redhead! / Post 27
Opinions wanted on a hot redhead! / Post 27
Subject: Opinions wanted on a hot redhead! // view thread online

You probably have not sufficiently attracted her. Next time you see her, spend 15 minutes putting her in a mood. it can be fun, passionate adventurous mood - whatever - learn a pattern. Just do that before you go for the close. Then CLOSE. Do not wait around. Do not try to figure out if she likes you from afar. Do not waste time! Heres a tip: If a girl smiles at you it means she likes you and feels comfortable with you. Not neccesarily sexual. You have more work to do. -Juggler
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Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR / Post 28
Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR / Post 28
Subject: Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR // view thread online
You must be a very smart guy cause that is a lot to follow, let alone figure out. Phycological hocus pocus is interesting and I have no doubt it works. But you could have gotten your fun with alot less trouble if you would have thought of her rejection of sex as an oportunity instead of a hurdle. You dont need to pull out the bass knuckles and have her crying and upset. I know that worked in this case but long term this will hurt your relationship with this girl and your skills as a seductionist. When a girl denies you sex it is an opportunity to practice patterns and sexual language which puts her in the mood for sex. You dont need to bully to win this one. Your game has to be good enough that you can have a "date" and still not be lumped into a category of regular dude. Think about how congruency is important. If you are congruently an interesting, sexual guy you will not have this problem. Can you imagine Mystery or Svengali or any of the great artists having to make a girl cry to get their sex? You got to go above that. -Juggler
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What do think is the best answer? / Post 29
Subject: What do think is the best answer? // view thread online

Post Date: December 3rd, 2001 09:23:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
First, general observations. If you approach a girl and you say things which are insightful and seductive, that is good. But if she ask you a question and you reply with something insightful and seductive then you will really bowl her over. Dont resent girls throwing up questions or hoops. I came to realize this on stage. So much of what we do as performers is set an audience up to provoke a response from us. This has a spontaneous feel and is very powerful even though it was all planned. If she asks if you have a girlfriend it is an opportunity for you to hit one out of the park. Look upon it as a good thing. Matter of fact, try to "trick" her into asking you that specific thing. Then have a really great answer. You should do this with any and all questions she could ask you and maybe some uncommon ones which you can "trick" her into asking you. Now what I say when a girl asks that question is: "To be my girlfriend is a very prestigeuos thing. A girl has to qualify. I have a test." Of course the chick wants to know what my test is. So let her take it. It is great. The last part of the test is kissing skills related. Try that answer. Funny how you dont ever really answer the question but by the time they realize that, they dont care. -Juggler
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Christmas Gifts / Post 30
Christmas Gifts / Post 30
Subject: Christmas Gifts // view thread online

Buy her one of those remote control vibrators. But you keep the remote. -Juggler
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HELP!!!!! / Post 31
HELP!!!!! / Post 31
Subject: HELP!!!!! // view thread online

Michael and Illpapiny both gave excellent advice. You should follow it. But if you are bent on pursueing this one girl, keep in mind that she knows who you are. She knows stuff about you. She probably knows where you live and who your friends are. Be somebody different. Dress in a radically different style from what you normally do. Cop a new attitude. Be someone she hasnt seen before. Then go in for the kill. Do it in fifteen minutes or it probably wont happen. -Juggler
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Re: girls view on other girls / Post 32
Re: girls view on other girls / Post 32
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Post Date: December 3rd, 2001 10:02:32 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
Your friend is trying to set you up with her single friends. A girl who doesnt have a boyfriend tends to be less atractive. The problem is not that your friends perceptions are warped. The problem is that she doesnt think it is "right" to have you meet her girlfriends who are hooked up. Tell your froiend that you want to meet her friends who are hooked up already. Or bettter yet, take your friend to pick up other women that neither of you know. -Juggler
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Re: Help With Single Mommy!!!!! / Post 33
Re: Help With Single Mommy!!!!! / Post 33
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Remember, you have only about twenty minutes to atttact a girl. If you cant or if you fail to move to the close within that time frame girls will not consider you as a sex partner. Since you have known her for awhile and not slept with her you may want to try being someone else. Change your persona. Then try to go for it again. But remember only spend fifteen - twenty minutes to attract her and then close. -Juggler
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Re: Getting her back to my place / Post 34
Re: Getting her back to my place / Post 34
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Yeah, having a wingman in this situation will make it easier in a sense. But in terms of your long run skills it is best to find a way of doing this alone. This girl knows her friends will try to block you from taking her home. She knows she would have to fight them in order to go with you. You have to work harder at leeting her friends see you as a good and trustworthy guy. Also try suggesting an itermediate destination. Such as a late night diner. This is a good middle ground. Just make sure to get a booth and then slide over next to her and apply kino. -Juggler
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Re: Rewriting the lay guides / Post 35
Re: Rewriting the lay guides / Post 35
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Good post Neo-Rio. Everybody should be having great-sex. Even girls who you are not attracted to. Our methods may seem underhanded to some. But I take a different slant. Sure I lie to girls. And I am not monogamous like they wish. But it is like a magicain performing a show. We want to know how the tricks are done but once we find out, much of the enjoyment is gone. Girls are our audience. We perform for their pleasure. We see into a womans soul and try to fill her dreams. We should never blame the audience for a bad performance. Or get upset because it is a tough crowd. I see your point about girls being selfish. But I see it like the audience which expects to be entertained. They want you to succeed but if you are doing badly they just want you to get off the stage and let the next act come on. -Juggler
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Re: Approaching school moms / Post 36
Re: Approaching school moms / Post 36
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Almost any situation is winable if you have the proper skills. But you have picked an especialy tricky and dangerous one. My guess is that you dont have the experience to pull it off without messing up your life in a big way. If you are going to cheat on your wife, go to clubs or coffee shops. Pick-up girls she doesnt know. Do this alot. That way you get the experience you need. Then maybe... geeez I wouldnt even try it then with your kid in school there and such. Be careful. By the way. Dont put much trust in the way you look or what the women say about you. Attarcting them in the way you need in order to seduce them is much different and intense than fielding comments about your looks. In general, if a woman you are not intimate with tells you she finds you nice looking it is usually not a good thing. If she found you hot she would never say it to you. Girls like that have not been sufficiently attracted. Also, do not try to figure out if a girl likes you by the way she looks at you or the way she acts when you have forced contact. That will encourage you to waste time and stale entries by holding back to see if she is interested. Presume all women are uninterested in you until you have worked to attract them with your humor, patterns and sensual talk. Only after you have done those things should you even consider that she may be attracted to you. -Juggler
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christmas seduction / Post 37
christmas seduction / Post 37
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Maybe it was just me but I thought those Santa questions from UnderWearMan were very good. Playful and funny. -Juggler
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Jugglers phone guidelines / Post 38
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Post Date: December 3rd, 2001 09:17:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Jugglers phone guidelines: This will help some guys who have difficulties over the telephone. People with very different styles form mine may not consider this useful. But for most this should help. 1. No matter who answers the phone announce who you are, "Hi this is Juggler. Is Katie there?" This shows you are proud and confident to be you and it establishes some repore with a housemate or parent which can be used later. (By the way meeting a girl with her parents is a very good situation. I use my parents routine which many times has gotten the folks pushing their daughter into my arms) 2. If Katie is not there, chat up the person on the phone. "So whats your name? Im not coming on to you or anything, as far as I know you could have three eyes and green skin but has anyone ever said you have a real sweet phone voice?" etc.. If this person asks to take a message after you ask for Katie, ignore it and ask who they are and begin to charm them. Do not be in a hurry. This shows you feel you are not worthy of a persons time and shows a lack of confidence. Also, when you slow down, your delivery will improve with clarity and nuances in your voice. I do not subscribe to the belief that you need to be the first to end the conversation. As long as you are being charming do not be quick to let this person go. Having said that, try to keep it to about five minutes with this person and do not feel bad if they have to cut you off. Many ASF people read way too much into what is alpha, supplication and all that. If you are being interesting it doesnt matter. On the other hand, if you have run out of material end the conversation. I can not over-emphasize the worth of getting a person who shares her house to like you over the phone. It will make your life much easier. 2b. Try getting off the telephone without leaving a message. The best way is to just say something like, "Pleasure chatting with you XXXXX. Bye." If she asks to take a message at this point just say, "Thanks but no message."
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Of course Katie will hear you called but there will be a little mystery. 3. Okay, you get Katie on the phone. Do not ask her if she is busy. Do not ask her what she is doing. Do not remind her where she met you. Do not believe you need to be the first to end the conversation. That will make you rush and ruin your rap. Talk slowly and confidently. "Hi Katie. This is Juggler. You would not believe what my niece did yesterday." Or "Remember how we were talking about the sexiest food and you said watermelon. Well I fed some watermelon to my cat and he is looking at me in the strangest way..." Do not expect a 50-50 conversation. At least not at first. You will have to give it alot of momentum. Go right into material. (I define material as a funny story, patterns, an addendum to the conversation you had when you met the girl - whatever works for you.) 4. Keep the charm flowing and return her to the fun, sexy mood you left her in. Slow down your delivery and put sensualness in your voice. DO NOT think about the close. Work to re-attract her. 5. After fifteen minutes or so, the close should be easy. Almost an afterthought. Just talk about it as if it is already a done fact - hardly worth mentioning. Casual like, "Lets get together this week." Then shut up. She will then recite her schedule and let you know where her free-times are. Pick out a day and time which will work for you. I dont want to make this post so long by typing up the details of why it is important for you to hear her schedule first or let her suggest times first. If someone really wants the breakdown on this let me know and I will post. Some guys may think accommodating her schedule is supplicant. Maybe. Heck if I know. What is alpha, whats not alpha... Guys make themselves crazy thinking about that stuff. I just know my flaking is virtually nil. 6. If she claims to be too busy to get together, either act like you didnt even hear it, go back into material and then try to re-close with different language or try to do something immediately, "Lets go for ice-cream. I can pick you up in ten minutes." If that still doesnt work just say, Nice chatting with you." and let her go. Maybe repeat the process in a couple weeks or call other girls. 7. In practice, if you put her in the right mood you will have very little problem arranging a meet. Half the time the girls will bring up a meet. Sometimes Ill just keep talking material and try not to arrange a meet. She brings it up a meet and I will just keep talking material. I like to do seemingly counter-productive stuff like that just to wallow in how effective good material is.
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Always work on her mood. As an example, a couple weeks ago, I called this girl to re-confirm our meet. She had cancelled on me before. From the tone of her first few words I knew she was planning on canceling on me again. But I never gave her the chance. Went right into good material. Steam rolled her into a mood of laughing and fun. Her mind was then changed to, "This guy is making me laugh. I guess Ill give him a shot." I re-confirmed in a very casual way. We met up that night and she ended up sleeping over. I have since lost her. Too bad she was really a sweet girl. But that is another post. One last word. In order to work the phone well, you must have confidence in your verbal abilities. Work on your tone. Work on you speed. Work on your material. Practice steamrolling your friends into a good mood. -Juggler
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Subject: What do think is the best answer? // view thread online

Post Date: December 4th, 2001 06:36:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Ill try to post it in a couple days. Probably in a separate thread. -Juggler
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Re: In AFC hell over here...help. / Post 40
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Post Date: December 4th, 2001 10:24:10 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
Neo-Rio posted some good advice. Here is my spin: >or to quote from somewher else in this group, > >"Talk to her about other stuff.. like patterns and > funny stories and charming things... Im sure you will > think of something. Keep the lines of communication open >and talk with her, apply keno etc.." > >"But do not suggest getting back together. Just do the shit >that you need to re-attract her. If you do that WELL, she >will be wanting to get back with you. It may not be immediate > but it will happen once she really learns that you are asking > nothing of her but you are great to be with." Of course that is great advice. Especially since you are quoting me there. ha ha ha But your situation is further gone than the guy who I was advising there. It will be tough to recover your girl from the situation you put the two of you in. And since you are a begginer you probably dont have the skills to do this yet. But you could try, which would be further education in itself. I dont know.... What are your skills like? I wish I could be next to you on the phone and tell you what to say. I might be able to win this one for you. Tell you what, if you try to get her back, email me, Ill give you my number and we can call me sometime for advice. You have a good attitude about this stuff but I have to disagree about the caring thing. I am a pretty good PUA and I care about each and every girl. I usually am seeing three or four at a time but when I lose one I am sad. Lost one this week. A really sweet girl. She had an innocent and affectionate personality I really enjoyed. It pains me she is out of my life. However, the pain IS different from what you feel when you lose a girl you have oneitis over. You will get to the point where you see this. You will care more for a girls soul then you care for her being in your life. Does that make sense? I am sad she will miss the things I can bring to her. I am sad I will miss
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seeing the things I could bring out of her. It is like being a hunter. You study the prey. You learn how the prey thinks. You try to anticipate the preys moves. After awhile you cant help but somewhat admire, understand and care for the prey. Of course, when you see the prey you are still going to kill it but you have a kind of compasion in your heart. Many people in this group will cop an antitude of not caring for girls. I think they are not really being honest with themselves or they are not real artist or they are sloppy typers and they mean they dont NEED any PARTICULAR girl. If you come with the attitude that Neo-Rio suggests and remember you are the prize and you can do many good things for a girl you will always win. Do not hibernate. Read - yes. But go out as much as possible and approach new women. Make mistakes. Improve your rap. Learn patterns. Speak in tongues. Okay, maybe not the last things but you get my drift. -Juggler
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Re: Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR / Post 41
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Post Date: December 4th, 2001 10:32:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Thanks for the reply. You make some interesting points. I see a little more of where you are coming from. You are not interested in the sex that particular night but control of the whole relationship and thus control of all future sex. But maybe I think about sex different than you. All of my MLTR have been very pleasurable. Never have had to worry about who controls the fun. If you took the time and energy you put into figuring out all the ways to manipulate the relationship and put it into improving your sexual technique, she will never consider using sex as a control weapon. After you are a sex-god she will have to control you by hiding the TV remote or something. Really, control should be a non-issue. When you are really good at all aspects of your pick up and relationship life, it will cease to be a concern. Ferrari does not have to trick its customers to stay with the brand. They just build a great car. But if you are Ford - you have to manipulate the heck out of your customers. Be a Ferrari. Spend your time improving yourself. Relationships will come and go - even this one despite your very smart maneuvers. You will have no use for control when you become good at all aspects of yourself. Look in the mirror. Be honest. Look deep down and find out where you can improve. Maybe you are a sex god. But maybe you need to be more affectionate. I dont know. Maybe you are perfect. Maybe you are perfect and you flaunt it in her face - fix that. Whatever it is, there is always room to get better. You may not have imagined how good you can become. Anytime a person has to control another, it is a lack of confidence in their life somewhere. As far as Svengalis rule #10 I have always read it as: Give her something to push against occasionally. Something UNIMPORTANT or she might find something important. Seems you are battling over the whole relationship. I usually let girls spar over the color of my socks. By the way I am not really a pattern guy. I have my own method.
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-Juggler
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RAFC Needing some advices... / Post 42
RAFC Needing some advices... / Post 42
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It is lame to become a girls friend and use that position to hit on her. She resents men who do this. If she is attractive this has happened since she was thirteen. I know that was not your intent. But that is how she will see it. So you must overcome that prejudice along with her seeing you as a non-sexual friend along with the fact that she instinctively thinks guys who dont make their intentions clear early on are wimps (even though she had a BF). You have much to overcome. But she is in your car. Go for it. Do all the stuff the other posters have suggested just be bigger than your usual self - more seductive, better dresser, funnier. Show her a you she hasnt seen before. You will lose her as a friend. But that is a good thing. Having attractive female friends will only make a begginer feel more AFC. You are a wolf! Kill the sheep or drive them off. It is humiliating living in peace with them. -Juggler
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Which is better? / Post 43
Which is better? / Post 43
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Bobo makes a good point here. Dont encourage people to laugh at you. Instead show them a guy who can help them laugh at life. A guy who can stir their imagination. Forget the idea about self-deprecating humor helping people relate to you and thus like you more. They will feel comfortable around you but your personality will have no edge. The problem with being the opposite - low-key, is that it makes it much harder to work groups and the girls who are really attractive. It is good that you have a natural ability to be the center of attention. You should stick with that. It will help you become a powerful artist. Just keep in mind, it is easy to be the center of attention being a goof. It is much more challenging to be in the spotlight with interesting, funny material. That is something you will have to develop. Also, you dont want to be seen as trying. Have an easy grace about yourself. Always look relaxed. -Juggler
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Group / Post 44
Group / Post 44
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Post Date: December 5th, 2001 10:56:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
To understand the group approach you need to first understand something about regular, blind, never spoke to her, she has not winked at you approaches. Then you can scale up from there. Many guys make the consistent mistake of believing an approach should allow the beggining of a fifty-fifty conversation. But most girls, experiencing a stranger, are not going to provide anywhere near 50%. More like 10%. Shell answer questions with lines like "fine" or "Its a girls night out" - useless comments like that. You have to get her warmed up before she will give back more substance. She has to get used to the idea of you. This period can take a few minutes. Meanwhile, you have to keep things going. Most guys stall. They are just plain, not used to doing this type of work. Its akin to being a on stage by yourself. it may look like you are with someone but you are in fact all alone. Most guys get freaked, dont have material, lack confidence or whatever - they can not do it. it is not something that happens in their daily life. Develop material which can stand alone or develop some routines which have the illusion of needing support but in fact stand alone - very powerful. Ill explain more detail on that later. To return to the subject of groups. You have all of these challenges only magnified. Suddenly you have 2 or 5 or 10 people from which you have to keep attention. And the percentage dynamic is still in effect. So if you work a set of three the ratio is now 270%-30%. Seems impossible to provide 270% You are just one man. Work it. Get as close as possible. Be big. Commit all the way. Anything less than 100% will get you killed. Okay, not really killed. Just humiliated in front of a group, which for some people is worse than death. Use sweeping gestures. Slow down. Use routines which allow illusionary input. Do not expect help from the group or a wing. You are surrounded by people, but you effectively are all alone.
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Group / Post 44
But you will win them over with your humor and charm. Be prepared to make many new friends. Buy a bigger calender. Be ready to one on one the groups beautiful women. You will succeed. Once you are in with the group you will be returned to the 90-10% scenario again when you one-one the groups cute girl. Sheeesh...more work... but you are in - in baby! After you turn around a few skepticle groups into liking you it will give you great confidence and understanding. You may arrive at a new level of consciousness. Of course there is much more to working groups than this. If this topic continues I will post more. -Juggler
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Re: Which is better? / Post 45
Re: Which is better? / Post 45
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SELF-INFLATING is golden. It really sets you apart from most men who approach. Lets practice together - the whole group. Say with a playful smile: "Im so bad Satan has me on speed dial." "See all these other guys around here. They cant hold a candle to my secret, hindu, tantric, tiger-style love-making." "No I am not always funny. Sometimes Im dashing or charming." If you are the introspective astronomer type: "Yeah, (crack knuckles here) Steven Hawking has a hard time keeping up with my brilliance." Her mind races: What kind of guy talks like that?! Where did he come from?! Funny and confident all in one package! Slam! bang! Im in lust. And yes, she will believe there must be something to your boasts - good humor is always based in truth. Beware though, dont make it competitive with her. This is an easy path to get on because she may challenging you. I know this could sound like a useful dynamic but I have been down that road and it leads to trouble. Unless the challenge is about kissing or sex. That road leads to Nirvana. -Juggler
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im the prize attitude / Post 46
im the prize attitude / Post 46
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Yes, you are a challenge and seem in demand. That is good. However I would caution you away from making an abrupt change. Dont abandon what has been working. Serious and sexual may get her thinking you are actually just like the other needy boys she meets. Keep your attitude. You can be sexual and still be aloof. Talk about what a good kisser or love-maker you are. Make her give you a back-rub. -Juggler
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Re: Jugglers phone guidelines / Post 47
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Thanks for letting me know Im being helpful LoverBoy. Sometime ago, I quit reminding girls where they met me. It is a way of further demonstrating and enjoying your confidence. You believe in yourself so much that you know she remembers you. Sort of like in the same vein as when you meet people. Dont ask their name. I introduce myself, "Hi. My name is Juggler." and let that soak in before they tell me their names. This demonstrates that you are proud to be you and are a worthy person to get to know better. Right from the approach or the beginning of the call I dont think you should sound like anyone she has ever met before. That is why I would recommend getting away from phrases she hears everyday. If you use one of them you have in effect said nothing. However if you feel really comfortable saying standard things try my class of openers I call Trojans. These begin like everyday generic conversation but go in a fun or sexy direction. You: "How are you?" Her: "Fine." Pause You: "You know it is kind of rude not to ask how I am after I asked how you are." Her: "Okay, how are you?" You: "I am wonderful. In fact I am doing so well my skin is tingling. Here feel my hand. (Hold out hand. She touches it. You grab her fingers and go dzzzz like you are shocking her. She laughs. You follow up with more good material. Be sure to wear a condom) The whole idea of routines like this is that it lets her be 10% of the conversation. Not that you dont want her to be an equal partner, but you realistically know she probably wont be able to fill that role in the beginning. Be sure to only ask questions which you have good material on. "What are you up to right now?" I think is tough to work with. Maybe you have a way.
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"Hows your day?" Is good. Prepare a great answer for when she asks you back the same question: "Its been interesting. I went to the zoo. You would not believe the naughty things monkeys do to each other." The other conversational examples you posted are great stuff. We are in agreement on feelings and rapport. You have my vote for board chairman. -Juggler
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passive reaction (was re: Group) / Post 48
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Good questions, Condor. It should in theory be easier if she likes you at first sight. But in my experience the conversation ratio can be even more pronounced. If she likes you she can get nervous and clam up or say really dumb things from the pressure of your god-like aura. I have had it all kinds of ways. I have approached many girls who appeared cold and distant and have successfully turned it around. And I have approached girls who looked open and inviting and just could not work with them. You will find this a rarity, but it will happen to you occasionally. Do not put much faith in how a girl looks at you. This can lead you into a trap. I work alot of clubs and I see hoards of guys along the rail who are caught in this web of wasted time and opportunity. I just want to shake them sometimes. Presume every girl you approach is NOT interested in you. Presume they will never give you a favorable glance. Matter of fact, you dont want a girl to give you a visual invitation. You want your words, sexualness and persona to be used and challenged. It is all about you and getting these skills better. Having said that, if a girl smiles or gives you a wink, of course waltz over immediately but still do not expect her to provide more than maybe 20% I understand where you are coming from. You dont want to have her liking your awesome persona and then have her balk because of your looks when it is time for the lip smacking. I would also prefer to be liked for my whole package. But consider the possibility that your looks will only matter for a split second - when she first sees you. After that it will not matter because you will be having sex the moment you begin the interaction. Okay, fore play. You are having fore play. It should NOT feel like discovering a new friend. It should be like the begginings of making love. Apply kino right from the start. When you walk up, touch her arm just before you speak. Or put your hand on her lower back. Lower your voice and speak slow and seductive like. Be sensual right at the start and your looks will be a very small part of the equation.
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Subject: passive reaction (was re: Group) // view thread online

Good question, MiCapitan and thanks for letting me know Im helpful. Yes, you should presume she does not like you. But presume you have the ability to change her mind. Also, see my post of phone guidelines. Specifically steamrolling a girl into the mood you want her to be in. Do not give her a chance to flat out reject you. Your positive thinking should reside in your skills. Expect the worst from the girls and expect the best from yourself. -Juggler
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How do I play this? / Post 50
How do I play this? / Post 50
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This reminds me of a girl I went out with back in the day. Her father was Indian. Her mother American. An ex advised me to take it slow and not make a move early. This girls cultural and family background would frown on that. Well, it turned out this girl was bisexual and into picking up other girls together and real kinky stuff. You just can never tell. But Im sure you have read this girl better than I did my girl. Anyway..... If she is friendly with everyone else but ignoring you this is usually a GOOD sign. She may be avoiding you because she is attracted to you. But dont give much credence in how she looks at you. This will only waste your time. Find some girls who are giving the cold shoulder or better yet, girls who you know do not like you. Practice charming these girls into liking you. Once you can do that you will stop caring if she seems interested before the approach. Returning to your girl. You should go talk to her and be seductive. I think it will be doubly important to get this girl alone before you work the sensual stuff. She may be very concerned what her friends and other people see her doing with you. But she will do things with you because you will be very smooth. -Juggler
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talking to chicks infront of their parents... / Post 51
talking to chicks infront of their parents... / Post 51
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Post Date: December 8th, 2001 11:51:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
When a girl is with her friends. The friends have their own agenda. They may become jealous of the time you spend with the girl. They may want to take the girl to meet other guys...whatever. Friends are sort of looking out for her but mostly they are into what they can get out of the night. Parents on the other hand care much more about her. This means if they take a dislike to you they will stop you in your tracks. But if they like you they will help you alot. Parents want their daughter to find someone kind and someone who has something on the ball. Show them that side of you and you will be in. You should develop a parent routine like I have. Other tips: 1. Be polite and charming 2. This may sound weird but I have found kinoing the mom a little helpful. 3. If you feel they like you, try asking them what their daughters status is. -Juggler
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Plan the Close / Post 52
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Many beginners and even some seasoned pick-up artists too often fail to close when they should. This can be frustrating to watch. They get in with a girl and either wait too long or fail to see the signs of her interest or she hides her interest or he just does not know when to close. It is important to structure your encounters with girls. Within that structure plan the close. Try this structure: 1. Opening - 1 minute 2. Set a mood or entertain - 10 minutes 3. Qualify/EV - 5 minutes 4. Close This structure is not based on indicators of interest. If she is there after you set the mood that is your indicator - you close. Sure, if you are getting bad signals, eject or vanish or whatever you want to call it. But do not wait around for indicators which may never come. In fact, if a girl is very attracted to you, she may actively work at hiding those signs. Presume, if you have any sort of game that you have attracted her. Then confirm this by closing. Also, closing off an EV question is very effective. Make the values questions into hoops. You are qualifying them. Give her a few. The moment she passes one in flying fashion by giving you an answer that is poignant or to which you can really relate, look deep in her eyes and ask her if she wants to kiss you or ask her how you two can continue your conversation another time or whatever works for you. This will appear natural and smooth. Do not waste time. Have faith in your abilities. A structure will give you even more confidence in yourself. -Juggler
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LJBF Turnaround / Post 53
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Invite her over. Do not talk. Give her a back rub. Kiss her neck. Apply kino. If she freaks, she freaks. You are a wolf! Kill the sheep or drive them off. It is humiliating living in peace with them. -Juggler
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HB9 - HB 10 and personality / Post 54
HB9 - HB 10 and personality / Post 54
Subject: HB9 - HB 10 and personality // view thread online

I find many 9s & 10s to be sweet girls who are very open, almost innocent and many who are smart, shrewd girls. Many have had access to the best education and have met tons of successful people. They are not easily impressed. However, consider the influence a 10s beauty has on your interactions. Her shield could be a negative reaction to your usually flawless game being affected by your mind focusing on how hot she looks. Concentrate on smoothing your rap. -Juggler
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End of this NewsGroup / Post 55
End of this NewsGroup / Post 55
Subject: End of this NewsGroup // view thread online

Post Date: December 12th, 2001 10:19:35 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast Article Author: "Juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "Juggler" on mASF // contact "Juggler"
This group is slowly grinding to a halt. Any serious posters who are left here please use Formhandles forum. He has done a great job makling it very usable. One of the things I really like is the ability to edit a message even after it was posted. Sad to see this newsgroup disolve but everything must end eventually. -Juggler
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Sex Techniques / Post 56
Sex Techniques / Post 56
Subject: Sex Techniques // view thread online

Good technique is important to keeping and getting great women. Improving you bedroom skills will give you more confidence and help enable your pick-ups as well. It will reinforce that I am the prize attitude. Take Davids advice. Being good in bed will give you many many options. Giving oral sex to a woman can be a great way to give her an orgasm. But it can also be a cop-out from learning advanced techniques which may take some effort to learn but once mastered will really set you apart from any of her other lovers. -Juggler
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Subject: LJBF Turnaround // view thread online

Yeah, this is good. Talk is permitted if you have a plan and stick to good material like Kooper demonstrates here which is not LJBF fluff. But, make no mistake. You must go for the kill when you get her over. -Juggler
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Re: Plan the Close / Post 58
Subject: Re: Plan the Close // view thread online

>The point >of all of this >is not to get chicks phone >numbers. The phone number is >just a (sometimes) >needed tool in order to >progress toward your REAL >goal. You may want to re-read the post. It says close. Not number close. >Why would you put >yourself on a time schedule if >you arent pressed for time? You miss the point. Re-read the post. Know where the close lies in the plan. You are allowed to spend more time on any stage if you want to. However you will find that if you do not turn the corner toward sexual interest in a short amount of time you will probably never do it. This is fast-seduction after all. >If youre in a >club and youre getting good >signals from a woman, why only >spend 16 >minutes with her? Under the example given you are only allowed 16 minutes until the close. That does not mean you have to stop being with her. You just do not waste anytime chatting after 16 minutes. Here is the breakdown: Chat up: 16 minutes Drive back to her place: 20 minute Sweaty sex: 2 hours Sleep: 8 hours Morning sex: 2 hours Breakfast: 15 minutes Okay, so the real amount of time suggested to you to spend with a woman is...12 hours 51 minutes. But you may want to check my math.
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>The close that should be your >main goal is the F-CLOSE. Your >post makes it >appear that youre referring >to a phone number when you say >"close". Re-read the post. >I do agree with you, Juggler, >on knowing when to PROGRESS >the sarge to the >next level. But you have as >much of a chance of fucking up >by going too >fast as you do by going too >slow. LEARN to read womens >signals, and base >your movements on THEM, not on >a set time schedule. Not fast. No. Intense. It is like lifting weights. Lift slow. Lift heavier. Intensity! Once you find this state you wont wait for signals. You will know. Yes learn to read a woman. Read what is in her soul but she is not a mirror. Have confidence in yourself. Once you figure out how to get into her soul via AAA material you will never have to wait for her to give you a sign. -Juggler
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>Its not just a numbers game >(i.e. collecting numbers) I >prefer a free-form >approach to PU where Ill >spend as much time as I want >to on each stage. Close refers to telephone number, kiss or F-close. Whatever you feel is possible. Sure, spend more time if you like, but turn the corner towards a clear sexual connection in fifteen minutes or you are very likely never to do it. Sure if you want to draw out a stage go ahead. Read the original post more closely. The sixteen minute plan given is an example. Use your own. The point is to have a plan and know where in that plan you will close. Feel free to stretch anything out. However you may be making a mistake in thinking the more time you spend with a woman the better. No. What you want is intensity. If you can go thirty minutes and keep her laughing and having fun, try to condense down to half that time. Quality. Not quantity. >problem with a structure like >this is that you might get >alot of numbers but >youll also miss out on >potential FCs or potential >lays as shell >potentially see you as one of >those guys who just collects >numbers No. If you were using the example structure you would begin the FC after sixteen minutes. Of course that does not mean you will be having sex in sixteen minutes - that is unrealistic. But you should know if it is going to happen and begin to move in that direction. Make a stronger impression and you will never be seen as one of those guys. Concentrate and improve your game. See into her soul and make a connection. If you do just get her number she will be to stunned from the impression you left on her life to think you are just a number collector. Once you begin to concentrate and use AAA material you will see this and come to realize it does
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not matter if you collect every girls number. >Its not about wasting time, >as long as youre in control >of the situation >and things are going well >youre building up more and >more rapport by taking >as long as it takes, other >girls see you chatting to her >( Social Proof ) >and so on... Control is important - agreed. But forget social proof. A waste of time to think about the subject. You use top rate material, you dont have to think this. It will just happen. Also, forget rapport. You do not want rapport. You want something deeper. Rapport is only a step. >Why close when youre having >fun? To have naughty fun. Sticky, sweaty fun. >Structure is good to a certain >extent but once you do what >you do >subconsiously - thets when >you really got game... Agreed. Practice a structure until you do not have to think about it. It becomes infused with your personality. -Juggler
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>Close refers to bringing the situation >to a CLOSE >You dont always know whats possible >unless you spend a little more time >with someone... Close in the original post refers to turning a corner to sexual interest. It could be a finish to the interaction but not neccesarilly. >In my experience I can and have turned >things to a clear sex connection in >less then 3mins and after many hours... Many hours should be a rarity. >My point was that a true PUA doesnt >need a plan A true PUA does not APPEAR to follow a plan. Once you are in control of the interaction you will have the skills to follow a plan. >The more time you spend with people the >more comfortable they tend to be >with you being around them. You need to get better at relaxing the situation and then you will see that it is not a factor of spending more time. >Intensity is great on some people but >not on others... being full on, in >your face all the time just limits the >types of girls you get... IMO Intensity has nothing to do with being in anyones face. It refers to the ability to cut to the good stuff. You can still be light and fun. But you need to cut the fat to get to the meat. >Why would I want to cut short a great >time? You dont have to. You can spend as much time as you want. But if you are just chatting you will be less effective in achieving your goal unless your goal in going out is chatting. >I can chat for hours and keep people >entertained and have fun and enjoy >myself and get laid at the end of the >night...
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You are probably laying whichever girl you end up with at the end of the night. Kind of random. >Why bother limiting the >amount of fun QUALITY time I can spend >with one person to go trying for >others? Depends what you want. >Unless you were going somewhere to fuck >its not an FC >No it isnt Depends on the situation. >Its not a close unless you walk away >and if you walk away without her its >not an FC Refer to definition of close above. >I dont get seen as one of those guys >who works the room Good. But consider the pay-off of working the room while not appearing to work the room. >Until she sees you leaving the same >impression on all the other HBs in the >room and they go talk about you at the >bar, in the toilets etc She will think of you as a special person who of course touches everybodys lives in such a way. Like Jesus or Satan. She will expect everybody to enjoy you and you to enjoy everybody. >Social proof is a reality - its a waste >of time to deny it Agreed, social proof is a reality. However, it will not be something you will think about once your game is strong enough. >Material?!?! Who needs canned >patterns? Agreed. Canned patterns suck. Material refers to anything you do to make yourself more attractive and build a connection. >Rapport is oneof the most important >steps there is... It is a baby step. >Its not a close if you both go >somewhere - thats a continuation of the >seduction If you want to call it that, sure. Agreed. >No, you just become another guy >following a set of rules very well....
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Have a plan. It is like a road map to get where you are going. >If >you know what youre doing you dont >need a fixed structure, youre more >adaptable and responsive. Youre less >likely to get thrown when she doesnt >conform to your structure... Yes, be flexible. But know where you are going and how to get there. -Juggler
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Table of Contents
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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101 . . . . Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Doing vs Saying / Post 1 . . . . . . . . . . Re: How to look at a chick while sarging / Post 2 . . . . . Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks / Post 3 . . . . . . . Re: parting is so sweet / Post 4 . . . . . . . . . Re: getting with a girl i know / Post 5 . . . . . . . . Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6 . . . . . . Re: Foreiner / Post 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 8 . Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 9 . Re: turning around a LJBF / Post 10 . . . . . . . . Re: Do any of you have male buddies? / Post 11 . . . . . ann arbor / Post 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: ann arbor / Post 13 . . . . . . . . . . . Re: What are your ANSWERS if a girl asks you Mystery ... / Post 14 Re: dinner, drinks, who gets the bill? / Post 15 . . . . . . Re: Elicited that she and her ex were both stubborn. ... / Post 16 . Re: Controlling your OWN state / Post 17 . . . . . . . Re: Seduction in the Sheets / Post 18 . . . . . . . . Re: Failure Report / Post 19 . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Questions (??) / Post 20 . . . . . . . . . Re: Controlling from excessive sexual desire / Post 21 . . . . Re: Get Freaky? / Post 22 . . . . . . . . . . Re: online dating tip / Post 23 . . . . . . . . . . Re: ann arbor / Post 24 . . . . . . . . . . . She is walking out of my life.... / Post 25 . . . . . . . High School Girls!!!!!!!! / Post 26 . . . . . . . . . Opinions wanted on a hot redhead! / Post 27 . . . . . . Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR / Post 28 . . What do think is the best answer? / Post 29 . . . . . . Christmas Gifts / Post 30 . . . . . . . . . . . HELP!!!!! / Post 31 . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: girls view on other girls / Post 32 . . . . . . . . Re: Help With Single Mommy!!!!! / Post 33 . . . . . . . Re: Getting her back to my place / Post 34 . . . . . . Re: Rewriting the lay guides / Post 35 . . . . . . . . Re: Approaching school moms / Post 36 . . . . . . . christmas seduction / Post 37 . . . . . . . . . . Jugglers phone guidelines / Post 38 . . . . . . . . What do think is the best answer? / Post 39 . . . . . . Re: In AFC hell over here...help. / Post 40 . . . . . . . Re: Mental Programs / Creating Addiction for your MLTR / Post 41 . RAFC Needing some advices... / Post 42 . . . . . . . Which is better? / Post 43 . . . . . . . . . . . Group / Post 44 . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Which is better? / Post 45 . . . . . . . . . . im the prize attitude / Post 46 . . . . . . . . . . Re: Jugglers phone guidelines / Post 47 . . . . . . . passive reaction (was re: Group) / Post 48 . . . . . . . passive reaction (was re: Group) / Post 49 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 10 13 14 17 20 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 33 34 36 38 39 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 56 57 59 61 62 63 65 66 67 69 71
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How do I play this? / Post 50 . . . . . talking to chicks infront of their parents... / Post 51 Plan the Close / Post 52 . . . . . . LJBF Turnaround / Post 53 . . . . . HB9 - HB 10 and personality / Post 54 . . . End of this NewsGroup / Post 55 . . . . Sex Techniques / Post 56 . . . . . . LJBF Turnaround / Post 57 . . . . . Re: Plan the Close / Post 58 . . . . . Re: Plan the Close / Post 59 . . . . . Re: Plan the Close / Post 60 . . . . . DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . .
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Re: Doing vs Saying / Post 1

Re: Doing vs Saying / Post 1

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Re: How to look at a chick while sarging / Post 2

Re: How to look at a chick while sarging / Post 2

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Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks / Post 3

Re: Openers for Drunk Chicks / Post 3

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Re: parting is so sweet / Post 4

Re: parting is so sweet / Post 4

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Re: parting is so sweet / Post 4

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Re: getting with a girl i know / Post 5

Re: getting with a girl i know / Post 5

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Re: getting with a girl i know / Post 5

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Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6

Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6

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Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6

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Re: Should I trust this virgin? (long) / Post 6

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Re: Foreiner / Post 7

Re: Foreiner / Post 7

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Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 8

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Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 8

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Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 9

Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 9

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Re: Stopping an obstacle ater they drop their payload? / Post 9

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Re: turning around a LJBF / Post 10

Re: turning around a LJBF / Post 10

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Re: Do any of you have male buddies? / Post 11

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