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Fn 3,4b & 6 Updated April,2012 (MEO Class II)

Fn 3,4b & 6 Updated April,2012 (MEO Class II)

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Published by Arpit Goyal
Compiled Ques & Ans of Orals held in March-April,2012.
Taken from Facebook MEO Class II.
Compiled Ques & Ans of Orals held in March-April,2012.
Taken from Facebook MEO Class II.

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Fn 3,4 & 6 Ghosh 1st Attempt (All Cleared)
ORAL @DG, DATED 12.04.12SURVEYOR – INTERNAL- MR. BANARJEE, EXTERNAL-MR. GHOSHFN-3, 4B, 5Function 3:
1)ship is loaded upto 90 to 95 %.now bad weather and ship is rolling n pitching, so what arrangement in oil tanker is provided to avoidthis excessive sloshing on.2) tank gauge and UTI?3) What is MRCC?4) draw rudder.5) What is rise of floor, what is its use .6) what is multigas detector and any other method of instrument for checking gas?7) what are ambient limitation of using isotrope for co2 measurement?
Function 4b :
1) pitting of main bearing, reasons?2) Diagram - automatic air starting valve3) If fuel injection starts late and ends early, what is the problem.4) what is underslung crankshaft. draw and explain as to which component takes the load.5) power diagram and indicator diagram6) a/c and refrigeration expansion valve difference?7) t/c casing hole and bridge not ready to reduce rpm, how will u manage?RESULT- CLEARED FUNCTION 4B AND 5
 
FIRST ATTEMPT 11 April,2012
 
Fn 3,4 & 6 All ClearedSURVEYOR - Mr. GHOSHFunction 3:1)
ship is loaded upto 95 %.now bad weather and ship is pitching (said specifically not rolling) so oil is sloshing on the forward side of the transverse bulkhead, so what arrangement in oil tanker is provided to avoid this excessive sloshing on the transverse bulkhead.
2)
What is rise of floor, what is its use.
3)
What is MRCC
4)
In scrubber tower after IG passes through will the oxygen content increase or decrease and explain why.
5)
How to check CO2 level by radio Isotope method.
Function 4b :
1) Diagram - automatic air starting valve2) If fuel injection starts late and ends early, what is the problem.3) what is underslung crankshaft. draw and explain as to which component takes the load.4) M/E bearing removal of RTA engine
Function 6 :
1) How is the overboard valve connected to hull2) P/V valve stuck, what will you do.too much cross questioning.3) M/E T/C casing, water side leaking. how will you go about solving the problem.(CONDITION :- The load of the engine cannot bereduced)4) While tightening TIE RODS, what lubricant will you use on the threads before tightening. explain why and what will happen if oil isused.5) Ship in drydock you found that pipe after the boiler water circulating valve is corroded badly, you have to change the pipe what pipewill you use and lots of cross questioning.
 
6) ASKED ABOUT CHAIN BLOCK - FUNCTIONAL DRAWING AND EXPLANATION7) TURNING GEAR MOTOR REMOVED FOR OVERHAUL ,TURNING GEAR INTERLOCK SWITCH ALSO REMOVED FOR OVERHAUL.CONDITION:T/G IS ENGAGED NOW AND IF SOMEBODY GIVES AIR START TO THE ENGINE WHAT WILL HAPPENTOLD TO WAIT OUTSIDE, DUTTA SIR WILL COME AND ANNOUNCE THE ORALS,AFTER 1/2 HR DUTTA SIR CAME AND ASKED ME TO FOLLOW HIM TO HIS CABIN.THIS IS WHERE MY SECOND ORALS STARTED.1) Propeller removal procedure2) Propeller inspection3) How will you check propeller drop4) How will you carry out sea chest inspection
RESULT: ALL CLEAREDSOLUTIONSFUNC 3:
1) Deck transverse webs are provided to avoid this sloshing effect. Diagram - DJ EYRES sixth edition pg no 254.2) RIse of floor - rise of bottom shell plating line above the base line. Diagram - DJ EYRES - pg no 13. its use is since it is a rise it willcause all the sea water in the ballast tanks to accumulate on one side from where the suction to the ballast p/p is provided.
 
3) MRCC - MARITIME RESCUE CO-ORDINATION CENTRE. Centres are in UK AND SINGAPORE. During distress and alert signals, thesecentre are notified and they provide the information to the ships nearby agencies for rescue. They operate 24*7*365 days.4) In scrubber tower the o2 content increases because when s.w ( at around 30 deg ) cools the inert gas the dissolved oxygen getconverted to gas by taking the heatt from the gas. (same is the reason why hotwells for boiler water tank are operated at high temp)5) CO2 LEVEL MEASUREMENT -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
FUNC 4B :
1) DIAGRAM - Automatic air starting valve - Lambs pg no 296 - note the spring is not shown in the diagram. you have to show it whiledrawing in the exam.2) FUEL INJECTION STARTS LATE AND ENDS EARLY- Problems are fuel cam worn out- fuel p/p rollers are worn out- and in case of 4 stroke - push rods worn out, in some fuel pumps to adjust timings shims are added on the top of the rollerarrangements, those shims are very small (different sets are provided 0.1 mm, 0.2 mm, o.3 mm) and since these shims are very thin,sometimes they break.3) UNDERSLUNG CRANKSHAFT:http://www.marinediesels.info/4_stroke_engine_parts/The_4_stroke_engine_frame.htm4) RTA - MAIN BEARING REMOVAL - As per manual
Geiger counter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.orgA Geiger counter, also called a Geiger–Müller counter, is a type of particle detector that measures ionizing radiation. They detect theemission of nuclear radiation: alpha particles, beta particles or gamma rays. A Geiger counter detects radiation by ionization producedin a low-pressure gas in a G...
y lubricant will have its own friction value and the tightening values are mentioned with respect to the lubricant used............if another lubricant is used the tightening value will change and you can overtighten or undertighten the tie-rod.5 - change the pipe. the pipe should be of the same dimensions as the previous one......same in thickness.....cross Q :howwill you know the thickness, the pipe is corroded......my ans- sir will check the pipeline diag .......cross Q - ship is old donthave any diagrams......my ans - sir will check the inner dia of the pipe and compare it with the values from the IMPA CODEBOOK, and will come to know which schedule pipe is used........cross Q - IMPA CODE book not present what then .......myans then from experience SCH 80 or SCH 160 .......cross Q - do you know the cost of SCH 80 / SCH 160.......you will fit anypipe anywhere.......my ans - sir this pipe has to withstand high temperatures and pressures and if the last pipe used wascorroded so badly will certainly ensure that this should not happen next time during voyage and hammper the watertightintegrity of the ship so goin to a higher schedule should not be a problem. no reply
The piece that connects the ovbd to the hull is called the stub piece...any sorta work to do with these pieces involves the classapproval and the class surveyor to be present while the repair work is being carried out,we jst had a leaking stub piece rectified.il try nfind out about the schedule of the pipe.shoudnt it be the same as the pipe that follows after the valve...probably we could jst removethe pipe ahead of the valve and measure its thickness although it would not be possible always...il still find out.
Fn 3,4 & 6 Ghosh
 
FUNC 6:
1 - Overboard valve connected with the help of stiffeners and since you have made a hole in the side shell plating affecting thestrength, means should be provided to compensate for that a insert plate welded on the inner side and then means provided toconnect the pipe (TO MAINTAIN WATERTIGHT INTEGRITY - GIVE A STRESS ON THIS POINT) .....arrangement for my ship was......onepipe passing till the end of the bulkhead, one insert plate welded, then four strengthing members welded at right angles to this pipei.e top, bottom,port n stbd sides. And if boiler blowdown pipe is fitted insert plate welded at both sides (inner side of the side shellplating and the outer side of the sideshell plating)2 - P/V valve stuck - i said manual indication is provided as the p/v is operating or not, and if stuck then lift it manually........but hiscross question was what if all tanks P/V valve got stuck what wiil you do now..... my answer in each tank second means of protectionprovided P/V BREAKER so it will compensate for the overpressure or underpressure...cross Q - but on chemical tankers if you carrydifferent cargo in diff tank then mixing of vapours will be hazardous so in that case what will you do.....my ans - sir now a days in newship each tank P/V valve is incorporated with an HIGH VELOCITY VENT V/V....cross Q - if old ship dont have that arrangement whatthen ........and i was like sir good question....NEXT3 - M/E T/C Casing water side leaking - immediately inform bridge and tell to reduce the load.....cross Q -Captain says sorry notpossible what next.....my ans - close the water supply to the T/C run it as uncooled T/C......drain the T/C ensure no wateraccumulation in the T/C....cross Q - so blades will be overheated what then .....my ans - sir make some cooling arrangement givecontrol air supply line to the T/C CASING ......cross Q so you will allow to run the main air comp continuously.....my ans - (thinkinatleast till now the right approach) so after thinkin for a while answered ......sir tap a line from the scavenge air manifold and supply itto the T/C....agreed no more cross Q 4 - the lubricant to be used will be mentioned in the manual.......bcos.....ever
First attempt 11 April,2012SUrveyor MrGhoshasked me what type of ships U hv done reply 1 oil & then 1 Gashe said I'll go out to lit a cgi meanwhile u draw x-section of gas carrier & AVRfn 3
 
Fn 3,4 & 6 Ghosh & Dutta
1) X-section of gas carrier, I hv drawn a LPG tank but not shown secondary barrier told him no primary & secondar bariers. actuallytemp below -55 so hull can be secondar barrier so totally wrong in concept2) SCABA bottle wen do u pressure test? reply was during evry fire drill okthen wat is the speciality abt the compr ans was it will have canister filter at the delivery which turns frm green to red when filter ischoked. satisfied wid that before that I told all bullshit that it is 3-stage compr at deliver ratings upto 300 bar not interseted in all thisstuff 3) what is the m/l of gasket/joint used in gas carrier? no ansactually this 1 q gave him the complete impression abt my gas knowledge that I know nothin. acc to my 2/e its a sin ot to know4)what is ship squat? told him in layman words but needs xaclty what is the conceptso told me u didn't got the concept right so wrong there5) radio isotope co2 level measuring: told him how it done & temp. I was having 2 temp in mind 32 & 40 but asked me to stand on 1.so told him 32 as it is the critical temp. but shld hv told him 32 is not possible as ambient T @sea, so 40 is used.correct me regarding this but he is ok wid my ans
fn4
1) indicator diagram & cross q's2) what is the use of regenarator & ref compr in IG of gas carrier--gone wrong wid thatafetr that there were some regular motor stuff which I did ans but no ans to gas carrier part like cat fines & their origins etc
fn6
1) centrifugal p/p clearance & show in fig.----ok wid that2) draw flaring tool & usage ---- showed him k wid that3) why slow turning of cargo p/p's in gas carrier--no idea its actually suicidal ans4) how will u test cargo condenser leakage --- told him the regular condenser stuff actually not that wayresult is obvious --- washout he said I cant let a gas guy this wayactually got LPG x-section wrong there is a centre line blkhd to reduce sloshing wid a equalizing v/v didn't shown that
DATE: 10/04/2012PLACE: D G SHIPPINGINTERNAL EXAMINER: MR. DUTTAEXTERNAL EXAMINER: MR GHOSHFUNCTIONS APPEARED FOR: 3, 4, 5 & 6
 
RESULT: Cleared Function 5 & 6
It all started @ 10 AM with Going to MMD n then signing the register n ended with Oral @ 5PM...The information stored in the brain forthe last couple of days was wiping out very fast as the oral got delayed and the way Mr. Gosh was asking questions to candidates andtheir failing rate added to my nervousness. Anyways the end result was good…Opening acchi hui :)Mr Gosh was taking orals in a separate room, He is not like others who demoralise you or shout at you, so no need to panic, He askedme all the questions from his “QUESTION BANK” paper that he has got!As soon as I entered his cabin he told me that he’s going out to smoke, till that time to keep me busy he asked me 3 questions & toldme to answer them in not more than 10 minutes.1) Draw CLASS B RudderI drew Spade Rudder but didn’t know the location of key as as far as I know then transmission is through bolt located below pintle buthe said your drawing is wrong as you’ve not shown any key or rudder stock bolts so this answer was wrong2) Draw AVRI drew the one given in macgeorge, labelled the drawing exactly as given in macgeorge so no issues with it, my first right tick \m/3) 2 stroke engine, N- 1400 RPM, Fuel Inj start: 15.5 BTDC, Fuel Inj End: 5.5 ATDCWhat will be the Fuel injection time (Sec.) in 1 revolution?Ans: Total time to complete one revolution = 60/1400 sec.Total Fuel Inj Time: 15.5+5.5=21 degreesSo 360 deg is 1 rev then 21 deg will be 21/360 revTime of fuel injection in 1 rev is (60X21)/(1400X360)i.e Ans: 7/2800 sec He said its correct and made right tick against it.
Function 3
1) What is rise of floor? And after answering this next question was its use?Drew the diagram but didn’t know its use. So answer was wrong as I could not answer the later part.2) Have you ever been to dry dock?No.3) What is MERR (M not sure if it’s MERR or some other word)I said don’t know.4) What is heavy weather hold ballast?I answered as it is done in hatches to submerge propeller and for stability then started the cross questions series…any speciality? Isaid ballast pump line and strength is increased compared to other hatches & we can isolate alarm for hold flooding for that individualhold but he wanted more so again cross mark.5) SCBA bottle why it is not charged with MAC?I said its pressure is high then asked me what else I said air quality ‘cause MAC oil carryover but he said even the SCBA comp has gotoil I said it’s the special filter cartridge that purifies air of dirt and oil then he was satisfied so that was the only correct answer insafety.

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