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Subject: Re: in response, Double Standards of Nasir Ahmad Sb
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 06:11:35 -0400
To: aghani@live.co.uk
I feel the same way for you Abdul Ghani Sahib. What an unfortunate (BADNASEEB) person you are
that you turned against him on whose hands you got the blessing of Ahmadiyyat,I.e., Hadhrat
Khalifatul Masih-IInd (ra)!
This is what happens to unfortunate people like you that they walk on straight path or the whole life
but in the end they deviate from it.
You did not ponder that it is Khilafat e Ahmadiyya on whose hands the revelation of the Promised
Messiah (as) fulfilled that I shall cause thy message o reach the corners of the earth, but you declare
this blessed Khilafat wrong and follow some stupid psychos like Janba and Sultani.
BTW! I had a debate with your so called stupid mujaddad and in the end he started barking like a mad
dog
Sent from my iPad

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 19:59:43 -0500
Subject: Re: MGAQ claims God and more....
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: minayet@yahoo.com
CC: rockyhannan@hotmail.com;
It is very funny Hannan Ahmad Sahib that first you challenged me to debate without asking your Imam
but now, after I accepted your challenge, you are hiding in the pretext of seeking approval and also
giving explanations about the kind of Prophethood of the Promised Messiah (as).
You may know, if you were in that mailing list, that I requested Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib to upload
his latest video with the latest newspaper in his hands showing the date and assert his claim of
Mujaddad of 15th century, quoting and reading the revelations he claims to receive from Allah.
I made this request because some people claim that Nasir Ahmad Sultani has either died or severly ill
and has become handicap. They allege that some other person or group is playing these tactics
under his name. So far he has not responded to my request. So, when you visit him seeking approval
for debate with me, also ask him to present his video.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:03 PM, hannan ahmad <rockyhannan@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mohtram ansar sahib ,
I don't think so anything funny because I wrote that hope u would debate with us , and I had in mind
the challenge of our imam to all missionaries .
Nasir Ahmad sultani sahib warmly welcomes that you accept to debate so I don't think so there is
hiding problem with me .
As malik mushtaq sahib has stated that this debate should be on Skype with Nasir sahib so I agree
and hope so you can have a video chat with Nasir Ahmad sultani sahib and you will yourself come to
know the reality of alleged statements by people .

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Hope so you will accept this video debate request challenge now
.and as if you are on the right path
you will have no problem at all to face anyone .
Inshallah there would be no disrespect shown to you . I ve no problem at all facing you on debate and
i ve been given permission aswell but
mohtram as mushtaq sahib and other people are intersted that
this handful debate should held between nasir ahmad sultani sahib and you
so it is no doubt
preferable and desirable and as i am his follower so it is always best to debate with prominent
person so people can get more benefit . Waiting for a fair response so debate can be managed at
suitable time.
JazakAllah

Hannan

Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:14:23 -0500

Subject: Re: MGAQ claims God and more....
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
Good to know that my debate is not with you but with Nasir Ahmad Sultani Sahib.
You must
remember that initially you challenged me to debate about the verse 3:82. Then you explained that
you believe in the continuation of Prophethood but not of that type as we Ahmadi Muslims believe but
of the type as Lahori group believe.
So, in that case the debate would be about the kind of the Prophethood the Promised Messiah (as)
claimed, not about whether according to the verse 3:82 a Messenger after the Holy Prophet (sa), who
was given the Book and the Wisdom, can come or not. Right?
Secondly, I wish to let you know that I am going to have a debate with a Molvi in Pakistan, via Skype,
on Feb-11, 2013. This week I am busy in collecting and arranging all references. So, if we are having
a debate, it can be after that debate on Feb-11. But, first of all we need to decide the topic.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:35 PM, hannan ahmad <rockyhannan@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mohtram ansar Raza sahib ,
Sure you are going to have debate with Nasir Ahmad sultani sahib inshallah and hope so you will be
well aware of his arguments or otherwise you can study from his books or article through website
as
he doesn't totally agree with Ahmadiyya Lahore group in this matter and he has no concern with them
in this matter and I didn't mention Lahore Jamaat faith and mentioned that mubashirat has left which
is not more than wahi e wilayet and wahi e muhadasiyyat

and that's why Hazrat Mirza ghulam Ahmad

a.s never claimed to be prophet in real sense after Muhammad (saw) in Islam ..so the topic will be in

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urdu :
Khatm e Nabowat Mirza ghulam a.s ki nazr main.
. Yes you keep on your concentration with upcoming debate and after 13th of February we will decide
the day and time.

JazakAllah . Hannan

Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 22:37:51 -0500

Subject: Re: MGAQ claims God and more....
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:14 AM, hannan ahmad <rockyhannan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mohtram ansar Raza sahib,
As you had a debate with Asif sahib on 11th so it is in public now and you are free from that reference
collecting and other works.As per your request and my promise I am contacting you after 11th on
13th of feb today . So as the topic is been decided and you have agreed to have the debate after 13th
inshallah that's why I'm requesting you now to decide day and time and let me know so I can confirm
it by asking Nasir Ahmad sultani sahib ... Ws.

Hannan

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:21:06 -0500

Subject: Re: Assalamo alikum wrhamtullah
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
I need at least two weeks time to prepare for the debate with you or Sultani sahib. I'll let you know as
soon as I am ready. I believe the topic is whether the Promised Messiah (as) claimed prophethood or
not. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:21:06 -0500

Subject: Re: Assalamo alikum wrhamtullah
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
I need at least two weeks time to prepare for the debate with you or Sultani sahib.
I'll let you know as
soon as I am ready. I believe the topic is whether the Promised Messiah (as) claimed prophethood or

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not. Please correct me if I am wrong.

On 2013-02-13, at 1:30 PM, hannan ahmad <rockyhannan@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mohtram Ansar Raza sahib,
Yes you can have your time for the preparation of debate
and please let me know when you are ready
as Nasir sultani sahib is ready to debate ...yes the topic is that was promised messiah a.s claimed
prophethood or not . Or in urdu I had mentioned in one of my earlier mail the topic can be : khatm e
Nabowat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad A.s ki nazr main
... So I will be waiting for your mail when you are ready
.. Ws.

Hannan

Subject: Re: Assalamo alikum wrhamtullah

From: ansar58@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:31:31 -0500
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
Dear Hannan
I thought about the topic and here is what I concluded:
I accepted the claim of the Promised Messiah (as) on the basis of Quran. So I think that it does not
matter whether he claimed to be a prophet in the real sense or metaphorical one. What matters is
whether prophethood is continued according to Quran or not. If anyone proves from Quran that
prophethood in the real sense has ended but continued in metaphorical sense then I can either
revoke altogether or modify my belief in the Promised Messiah (as).
I have read Sultani Sahib's article and other writings on this topic and I have come to the conclusion
that they are nothing but deception
and that we cannot come to any decision if we pursue that course
to clearly discern what was the real claim of the Promised Messiah (as).
Therefore, I propose that we discuss the continuation or otherwise of Prophethood, in any sense you
believe, on the basis of Quran.Please let me know what you think about it.
Sent from my iPad

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:15 AM, hannan ahmad <rockyhannan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mohtram Ansar Raza sahib,
I received your mail on 15th of feb ..we agreed to have a debate .The topic should be " khatm e
Nabowat Hazrat Mirza Ghulam A.s ki nazr main".Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a.s is hakm o adal for
you and for us aswell. As you said in your previous mails " I need at least two weeks time to prepare

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for the debate with you or Sultani sahib" so would you like to decide the time and date Now or
later?You can decide date and time according to GMT.
JazakAllah

ws

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 07:24:23 -0500

Subject: Re: Assalam o alikum
From: ansar58@gmail.com
To: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
Dear Hannan
I think you did not read my message. I have decided to change the topic as I firmly believe that Quran
and the teachings of the Promised Messiah (as) cannot be separated or in contradiction with each
other. He drew his teachings from Quran and as I understand from Quran, prophethood in its real
sense, not the metaphorical one, is continued. You people are misinterpreting the writings of the
Promised Messiah (as), deceiving people and yourself.
So, if you agree to discuss on this topic of continuation of Prophethood on the basis of Quran, which is
the ultimate standard to judge every thing, including Ahadith of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sa) and
the writings of the Promised Messiah (as), then I am ready to debate.

From: rockyhannan@hotmail.com
To: ansar58@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Assalam o alikum
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:06:28 +0500
Mohtram Ansar Raza sahib,
You wrote""No, it is not right. The topic is "CONTINUATION OF PROPHETHOOD ON THE BASIS OF
QURAN"
So it means you Rejected both topic which we suggested in urdu
1."khatm e Nabowat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad A.s

ki nazr main"

2."khatm e Nabowat Quran , hadees or Hazrat Maseeh e maud a.s k irshadat ki roshni main"
so now the topic would be "Khatm e Nabowat on the basis of Quran" now you agree JazakAllah
??
ws