KRISHNA AND ALI

Tuesday, July 13, 2010

Krishna and Ali

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

Krishna and Ali (a.s)
The present subject under discussion is a controversial one and
may annoy many of the Muslims (Shies and Sunnis) and Hindus
as well. But the pivot of my discussion are only those broad
minded researchers who are ever in pursuit of truth and ready to
imbibe truth howsoever bitter it may be. Regarding the
bitterness of truth the Holy Prophet of Islam said,
Al-haqq-u-murrun: Truth is bitter
To swallow truth you have to first prepare yourself, and also you
have to give effort during the process of swallowing, and even
after giving all the efforts it sometimes regurgitates back.People
with strong conviction do not fear in going through even the
wildest and most radical of theories, just like a ocean explorer
who tethered to a ship with a very strong rope, possessing a big
oxygen cylinder, dares to go into the abyss of the ocean in
search of a treasure. Quran says,
Hold you tightly to the rope of Allah which shall never break
I am talking to those who are holding the rope of Allah very
tightly, and those who are in doubt of their grip of the rope
should avoid reading this piece of writing.

Well, coming back to the subject of discussion, Krishna and Aliibne-Abutalib (The first Muslim) are two different people, who
existed in different periods in history. Lord Krishna was born in
some 3300 BC(roughly) and Ali (as) was born in some
600AD.Both of them were the greatest personalities of their
times, both were great philosophers and both were men of
God(spiritual beings),both were the bravest, both of them were
killed during their prayer (Krishna was killed when he was in
yoga meditation by an arrow and Ali(as) was attacked by
poisoned sword when he was in prayer) both had an encounter
with a snake at their birth etc.The word Krishna(krish=one who
digs or ploughs the earth,na= peace,with control etc) means one
who ploughs or digs the earth with peace,control and
authority.Hence the meaning of Krishna can also be taken as one
who has control on the earth(field) or in slang "Father of
earth."And as a matter of pleasant surprise one of the popular
name of Ali(as) was Abu-Turab(father of earth);this title was
given to Ali(as) by the Prophet of Islam(as) when he found
Ali(as) asleep with sand covering his whole body(Ali(as) used to
work in fields and dig wells).Krishna is also know as
'Ilapatye(Lord of earth) and Abu-Turab(father of earth) also
means the same.Krishna is known as 'Satyavacha(speaker of
truth) and Ali (as) was given the title of 'Siddique-al-Akbar(the
greatest among truthful) by the Holy Prophet of Islam(as).
Ali,in arabic,means The topmost.It is mentioned in
hadith(traditions) that the name Ali was revealed(by Allah) to
the Holy Prophet of Islam for his cousin Ali-IbneAbutalib.Krishna declare himself as Ali-the topmost in
chapter-10 of the Bhagavatgeeta in the following verses,

The Supreme Lord said: O Arjuna, now I shall explain to you

My prominent divine manifestations, because My manifestations
are endless. (10.19)
O Arjuna, I am the Atma(topmost=Ali) abiding in the heart of
all beings. I am also the beginning, the middle, and the end of
all beings. (10.20)
I am Vishnu(vishnu was the topmost=Ali) among the (twelve)
sons of Aditi, I am the radiant sun(topmost=Ali) among the
luminaries, I am Maric(topmost=Ali) among the gods of wind, I
am the moon(topmost among the night luminaries=Ali) . (10.21)
I am the Sama Veda(sama veda is considered as the highest
among the vedas ,topmost=Ali) among the Vedas; I am
Indra(topmost=Ali) among the Devas; I am the
mind(topmost=Ali) among the senses; I am the
consciousness(topmost=Ali) in living beings. (10.22)
( I shall now mention 'Ali' in '()' to convey the meaning
"topmost) topmost=Ali
I am Shiva(Ali) among the Rudras; (I am) Kubera(Ali) among
the Yakshas and demons; I am the fire(Ali) among the Vasus;
and I am Meru(Ali) among the mountain peaks. (10.23)
Among the priests, O Arjuna, know Me to be the chief,
Brihaspati. Among the army generals, I am Skanda(Ali); I am
the ocean(Ali) among the bodies of water. (10.24)
I am Bhrigu(Ali) among the great sages; I am the monosyllable
OM(Ali) among the words; I am Japa(Ali) among the Yajna;
and I am the Himalaya(Ali) among the immovables. (10.25)
I am the Peepal tree(Ali) among the trees, Narada(Ali) among
the sages, Chitraaratha(Ali) among the Gandharvas, and sage

Kapila(Ali) among the Siddhas. (10.26)

Know Me as Uchchaihshrava(Ali), born at the time of churning
the ocean for getting the nectar, among the horses;
Airaavata(Ali) among the elephants; and the King(Ali) among
men. (10.27)
I am thunderbolt(Ali) among the weapons, Kaamadhenu(Ali)
among the cows, and the cupid(Ali) among the procreators.
Among the serpents, I am Vaasuk(Ali). (10.28)
I am Sheshanaaga(Ali) among the Naagas, I am Varuna(Ali)
among the water gods, and Aryamaa(Ali) among the manes. I
am Yama(Ali) among the controllers. (10.29)
I am Prahlaada(Ali) among Diti's progeny, time or death among
the healers, lion among the beast(Ali) and the Garuda(Ali)
among birds. (10.30)
I am the wind(Ali) among the purifiers, and Lord Rama(Ali)
among the warriors. I am the shark(Ali) among the fishes, and
the Ganges(Ali) among the rivers. (10.31)
I am the beginning, the middle, and the end of the creation (Ali),
O Arjuna. Among the knowledge I am knowledge of the supreme
Self (Ali). I am logic (Ali) of the logician. (10.32)
I am the letter "A"(Ali) among the alphabets, among the
compound words I am the dual compound, I am the endless
time, I am the sustainer of all, and have faces on all sides (or I
am omniscient). (10.33)
I am the all-devouring death (Ali) and also the origin of future
beings. Among the feminine nouns I am fame (Ali) prosperity,
speech, memory, intellect, resolve, and forgiveness. (10.34)
I am Brihatsaama(Ali) among the hymns. I am Gaayatri(Ali)
among the mantras, I am Maargsirsha (November-December)
among the months, I am the spring(Ali) among the seasons.
(10.35)

I am the fraud of the gambler; I am the splendor of the splendid;

I am victory (of the victorious); I am resolution (of the resolute);
I am the goodness of the good(Ali). (10.36)
I am Vaasudeva(Ali) among the Vrishni, Arjuna(Ali) among the
Paandavas, Vyaasa among(Ali) the sages, and Ushanaa(Ali)
among the poets. (10.37)
I am the power of rulers, the statesmanship of the seekers of
victory, I am silence among the secrets(Ali) and the Selfknowledge(Ali) of the knowledgeable. (10.38)
I am the origin(Ali) or seed of all beings, O Arjuna. There is
nothing, animate or inanimate, that can exist without Me. (See
also 7.10 and 9.18) (10.39)
There is no end of My divine manifestations, O Arjuna. This is
only a brief description by Me of the extent of My divine
manifestations. (10.40)
Is not Krishna trying to say(in code language) that he is Ali,the
topmost in every aspect?
Now it may be argued that,when Krishna is saying he is 'Ali(as)'
did Ali,at any point of time in his life, declared himself as
Krishna.Well ,I am quoting a hadith form the book 'Kaukab-eDurri',page.no 364-365,which runs as follows,
It is narrated thgrough Ammar-e Yasir, Jabir bin Abdullah,
Malik-e Ashtar and Miqdad Aswad al Kindi, that when
Imam Ali [s] was proceeding towards Shaam [for the battle
at Siffin], he stopped and turned his horse away from the
direction of Shaam and looked around for quite some time
and then proceeded in one direction [away from Shaam].
His companions were astonished at this and asked him
the reason for the change of direction.
Imam Ali [s] replied: "I see what you are unable to see,

for the hidden [Ghaib] is screened from your eyes.

There is a monastry in this forest in which a Christian
Monk is waiting with the sword tied around his waist
and is ready to blow the trumpet. I want to break his
sword and shatter his trumpet to pieces. If you are
with me then follow me".
He, along with his companions then proceeded to the
place where they found the monastry and the hermit.
The hermit was attracted by the luminiscent face of
Imam Ali [s] surrounded by his companions.
The herimt asked: "O, You Fair Gentleman where are
you coming from?"
Imam Ali [s] replied : "I am coming from Madina and
we are proceeding to fight a battle at Shaam"
The personality of Imam Ali [s] so impressed the
hermit that his heart was illumined with faith.
The hermit asked: "O, you, Young man with the
effulgent face are you an angel or a human being?"
Imam Ali [s] replied: "I am a human being and a Guide
to the Djinns and leader of the angles"
The hermit said: "In the Bible I have read the name as
Taab Taab. O you the Effulgent One, Is that your
name?".
Imam Ali [s] replied: "Taab Taab is the name of
Muhammad the Chosen One [Mustafa]. My name is
Santiyya".
The hermit asked: "Is your name mentioned as Meet
Meet in the Torah?"
Imam Ali [s] replied: "Meet Meet is the name of
Muhammad the Chosen One [Mustafa] and my name
is Aeliya"

The hermit asked : "Are you the Messiah who has

descended from the skies to alliviate the melancholy
and sorrow of the denizens of the earth?"
Imam Ali [s] replied: "No. I am not Jesus, but Jesus is
one of those who adore me"
The hermit asked: "Are you Moses come down with
his staff to show his miracles to mankind?"
Imam Ali [s] replied: "Iam not Moses but Moses is one
of those who loves me"
The hermit said: "For God's sake tell me your name
and your descent [geneology]"
Imam Ali [s] replied: "In every country and community
I bear different names. The Arabs call me Hal `Ata and
search for me in this title. The people of Tayif call me
Tahmeed. Among the Meccans I am known as Babul
Balad. The denizens of the skies write my name as
Ahad. The Turks call me Balya and the Zangis call me
Majeelan. And the Hindus call me Kishen Kishen. The
Firangis call me Hami Isa. And the peoplke of Khataya
call me Bolya. I am reknowned in Iraq as Ameerun
Nahl. In Khurasan I am knoewwn as Haider. In the first
firmament I am known as Abdul Hameed. In the
second fiermament I am known as Abdul Samad. In
the third firmament I am known as Abdul Majeed. In
the fourth firmamwnt I am known as Zul `Ulaa. In the
fifth firmament my nanmew is Ali al `Aalaa. The
Glorious Lord has made me sit upon theThrone of
Authority [Musnad-e-Imaarat] and designated me as
Ameerul Mominin. The Chief of the two worlds
[Khwaja-e-Do-Saraa] Muhammade Mustafa [s] named
me Abu Turaab. My father gave Abul Hasan as my

agnomen and my mother gave the agnomen Abul

`Ashar"
There are many false allegations(that he was a womaniser,he
was 'makhan choor'etc) attributed to Krishna and similarly there
are many false stories attributed to Ali to the extent that a group
of Muslims used to curse him(as)(God forbid) from the pulpit as
their religious duty(Imam Ahmed-ibne Hambal stopped the
cursing of Ali(as) from the Jummah-sermon).Krishna was a
great orator and his book of sermons is called The Bhagavat
Geeta.Ali(as) is considered as the greatest of Muslim orators
and his anthology of sermons is called Nahjulbalagha-peak of
eloquence. If you read Nahjulbalagha and Bhagavad-Gita you
will find the same tone, same spiritual energy and the same
philosophical frequency and many of the pearls of wisdom are
common to both.

Fig.1.The script of 'OM' in Sanskrit resembles the script of 'Ali'

in Arabic.
If you read Geeta from chapter -9 along with the sermon of
Bayan of Imam Ali(as) it appears as if both of them are one
personality existing in different periods of time. Because in
Geeta Krishna says I am Saguna Brahman(God with attributesnot real, the real true God is formless and cannot be conceived

and is called Nirguna Brahman)(1):Ali (a.s) in his sermon of

Bayan says I am the face of Allah which shall not perish:
Krishna says I made the creation(2): Ali (a.s) says I raised
the seven heavens and established the earth with the
permission of almighty Allah :Krishna says I am the
soul(atma)(3):Ali (a.s) says I am the Rooh (atma-soul)
:Krishna says I am the rites and ritual of scriptures(4): Ali
(a.s) says I am the salat(prayer), Zakat, Hajj and Jihad(holy
struggle) of a true believer: Krishna says I am the
buddhi(intellect) which differentiates between truth and
falsehood(5): Ali(a.s) says I am Furquan(differentiator of
truth and falsehood):Krishna says I am time(6):Ali(a.s) says
I am the regulator of time: Krishna says I am the syllable
OM(7): The author,Mr.Muhammad Geelani, in his book
OM and Ali proved that the syllable OM is Ali because in
Upanishads it is mentioned that OM is Saguna Brahman(Not God) and the meaning of OMin Sanskrit are, the hand
of God, father of earth and power of God which are the exact
synonym of Yadullah, Abu Turab(father of earth) QuwatteParwardigar which are again titles given to Ali by The Holy
Prophet of Islam. Krishna says I am Gods thunderbolt, which
descends on the wicked(8): Ali says I make the clouds and
produce the thunderbolt, and make it fall on the enemies of
Allah: Krishna says I am the beginning, the middle and the
end of every thing(9): Ali says I am the beginning and the
end of every thing: Krishna says I am the Fig tree(10): Ali
says I am the Fig and the Olive: Krishna says I am the
scriptures ever written(11) :Ali says I am the master of
previously reveled books and the Holy Quran: Krishna says I
will be coming again and again to establish religion(11):Ali
says I had been send by God in erstwhile times in different

forms and a thousand nations were destroyed for not believing in

me.
I have quoted only those parts of the sermon of 'Bayan' which
are similar to those of 'The Bhagavatgeeta and hence, my
readers may be tempted to presume that the sermon of Bayan is
just a copy of 'Geeta'. But the reality is,the sermon of Bayan
contains words of great scientific wisdom which are nowhere
found in the Bhagavatgeeta.For instance Ali says,
"I am standing in the skies where only souls are able to travel
and I am the only 'one' who is able to breath there." NahjulAsrar:Sermon of Bayan,page,192
The great astronomer 'Johannes Kepler' in his fictional work
"Somnium (Dreams)" predicted that animals could not breath
between the earth and the moon.Only in the 20th century, it was
prooved that space is without oxygen, and that we cannot breath
in space.This scientific fact should be enough to establish the
validity of sermon of Bayan and that it is not just a copy of
Geeta.
As the Geeta is older than the sermon of Bayan it will be
irrational to presume that it has be copied from the sermon of
Bayan.Just finding a 800 years old copy of geeta,and subjecting
it to dating study(by Geiger Muller counter),shall solve the issue
.
There are people who declared themselves to be God, but
despite of saying such huge things both,Krishna and Ali(as)
denied themselves to be God(Krishna says to Arjuna in chapter12 that he is Saguna Brahman and the real formless God is
Nirguna Brahman and the real goal of life is to reach Nirguna

Brahman(Formless God).The amazing similarity of tone and

subject matter of Geeta and the sermon of Bayan will be a topic
of research for both the Hindu and Muslim philosophers.
Only Islam is the ultimate truth
The following hadith is mentioned in "Kitaab-ul-Mubeen" by
Mohammadkhan Kirmani,
"One day the Omar ibn Khattab was copying the traits of
Prophet Mohammad (saw) from taurait (torot),the book of Jews,
as he was with a Jewish scholar.When the Holy Prophet of Islam
came to know of this, he (saw) became very angry and said to
Omar: "Even if Moses where here and you "O' Omar would
have followed him instead of me then you would have turned an
unbeliever."
According to the above hadith Islam's verdict is always the final
one and only Islam should be followed.If there are common
points between Geeta and Islam then Islam should be followed
and not Geeta;there is a rule that latest is preferred over the
old.And out of Krishna and Ali, Ali should be followed and not
Krishna.
References
(1)Geeta,ch-8;12-13,ch-9:4-6,ch-12:3-4,ch-9:17
(2)Geeta,ch-9:18-19,ch-9:11
(3)Geeta,ch-9:16,ch-10:20
(4)Geeta,ch-10:10-11,ch-7:10
(5)Geeta,ch-11:32
(6)Geeta,ch-9:17,ch-7:8

(7)Geeta,ch-10:28
(8)Geeta,ch-9:18
(9)Geeta,ch-10:26
(10)Geeta,ch-15:15
(11)Geeta,ch-4:7-8

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