A couple of weeks ago I posted a topic called BACA, and had a number of emails asking what the hell

BACA meant (read above) I would be keen to see this organisation set up here in Australia and am asking for any people who have had any dealings in this area to drop me a line, for those of you who wish to see what these people do please go to their site and have a look http://www.bacausa.com/ Also as this organisation wears a back patch what kind of issues would I be dealing with here given the climate regarding patches. Please be advised this organisation IS NOT an MC I repeat it is NOT A Motorcycle Club but the wearing of back patches and therefore being plainly visible is paramount to the Organsations main aims. So once again BACA means Bikers Against Child Abuse, the organisations main aim is to provide an extended family to children in need and to give them a sense of empowerment over their lives. I am going to have to deal with cops over this and hopefully can get in the right ears to get their backing even in principle initially. I realise that I will have to sit down with a few people to discuss this one on one so to speak and would be happy to do that when and if it becomes necesary but for the moment I am asking for any help any of you can offer. Cheers Gutter november25-2003

Gutter you will find that I did my homework and I did approach the cops about this and was advised By Scooter national president back then to go ahead and start what ever I wanted, But as they are only USA I suggested BUACA and was going to get a chapter started in Sth East Qld back in 2001, but I got too sick to continue.... I dont think BACA is good for Australia as their charter breaks too many of our rules here so a independent club would have to be started...as with the BACA this could be financed by a small patch that bikers can buy at any bike shop or run or wherever for about $5 that identifies a biker who cares about his youngness and also does lots to deter some from giving kids a hard time....You can see from this link that I did attempt to get things on the road cept my recovery from lung disease took over until some have brought the matter back up. I have also had a few logo designs made up but I have to go through my gear to find them...... http://groups.msn.com/BaldyPetesBikersUnited/general.msnw?action=get_mes sage&mview=0&ID_Message=97&LastModified=46753417754878759 Nov 25-2003 Spook Nov 25-2003 who is going to deal with the Australian legal ramifications? You'd need a bloody good lawyer. The quote 'borderline vigilantes' springs to mind when the cops in Oz look at it....then the same for anyone wearing a patch in Oz,...permission and acceptance, given its a fukking good cause Gutter Nov 25-2003 Hey Baldy checked out your link and it sure looks like you put in some yards on it. I agree we may have to go slightly different route but i think for the sake of our kids we must do something. i realise that I must speak to many people before the wearing of backpatches of any

kind can become accepted and with anything time is the key here. Respect from Clubs is difficult to obtain "rightly so" and respect is earned through deeds. As this is in its extremely early stages I am just testing the water so to speak, but my first steps are to get hold of the Charter and see if it can be modified to suit our legal system here. Spook you are dead right about the coppers thinking we could be 'borderline vigilantes' but again I believe that with some thinking and reworking we can overcome the issues raised after all this is to benefit kids - end of story. It is good that some discussion has started over this very important area. As SG says "i know i would support the BACA if it was ever formed, i just wish it had been around a long time ago" thats what I'm talking about. So if any of you 1%ers reading this can give me a heads up on how your Club would feel about such an organization starting here please drop me a line and if you want it private I fully understand. Your opinions are both desired and respected. gutter I did mention this idea to the 60 mins program and was told they was going to do a story on them (BACA) I also spoke to a few VIPs like cops Judges and barristers who all agreed is a great concept but totally unworkable here in Australia due to our Laws of protecting the identity of not only the kids but also the scum that abuse them, My own son suffers from the abuse from his misguided mother and I have to step real lightly around her to get access to my son, I also witness first hand of abusive mothers who allow their many men deal out punishment to their children while Dad has been ordered to stay away from the kids, As in their charter(BACA) would have a dozen bikers standing on a corner near an abused child would be a crime here in Australia and other methods would have to be used, I have spoken to Scooter who is one of the many presidents to chapters in the states who told me that we could use their charter and guidelines to get a club up and running here in Australia...But as I see it I would want to present the idea to MC clubs as a way that all clubs could recommend the club as a way of showing their support for bikers and their kids...The court system provides us with many children who are taken away from their fathers or have been forced to live a life without any life in it and then they end up like our friend Eminem who bases his music on the subject...When you mention a group like the BACA to the cops most of them instantly get their balls in a knot as their manhood is once against challenged as Bikers want to do a job they cant, I was told by a barrister once that this idea is so outrageous that it just may work, We have also a submission before parliament at this moment into shared parenting that will also change the way our kids live their lives so now is a good time to press ahead with a idea that would see only praise for a our Bikers but also kids looking up to us for help in living again, I dont think the BACA is interested in forming a chapter in Australia but would bend over backwards in sharing their ideas, I would like to be involved in such a group but I also believe back patches are not needed until the group proved it was a group that provided a helping hand to those that need it, In America most bikers in Outlaw MCs wear the BACA patch wich cost them 5bucks to buy and it sort like Ya not cool unless ya wear their little patch, I also thought that it would be cool to have most clubs here in Australia have a member or two involved with this group and wouldnt that stick it to them cunts that reckon we all sell drugs to feed our kids...I dont think you should have to ask permission from the BACA to start here but I would be seeking their permission to use their charter, if you dont have it I can send it to you, I have also mentioned this idea to many bike shops who have all said they support such a great idea, I also

believe them Black shirts stole this idea as their own and coz of them a group would have to be not seen to harass anyone .... Sexy Goddess your situation is not one where the baca could intervene but it would be there for your kids if they were threatened by his actions etc...The BACA is there for the kids and how they are treated by those that are supposed to love them...Most bikers know what that means....

Gutter NOV 27-2003

It does the heart good to see that support comes fast for ideas that help kids. Baldy if you could send me the Charter it would be cool gutterman@hotmail.com I will be back at work next week and will be organizing a meeting with a Superintendent of the Aust Fed Police to discuss this issue if there is some way around this then i damn well will find one. I understand that our laws are somewhat different here than in the States but I'll be fucked if I am gonna stand by forever and watch our kids beaten abused and murdered by gutless fucks. By hook or by crook I WILL get something started here. Baldy did you put some designs together for BACA type patches here? I'd be interested in seeing them also. Tbirds Nov27-2003 Bloody good idea, I'd put one on me vest tomorrow if it was available, $10 well spent. The whole concept of BACA is spot on and if it could be set up here in Oz in such a way as to comply with legal requirements I'm sure it would win wide support. I don;t see a need for a back patch. A front patch/badge/tag, call it what ya will, would be sufficient. That Dri-rider obvioulsy comes from a big family of boys cause they're in a number of clubs.... BTW...intel and pig are not synonomous terms Gutter Nov25-2003 I think you guys are right about the front patch idea, stickers and the like. I will make some enquiries about costs, I think the BACA logo is a good one and could be used here with the permission of BACA in the States. That way we have artwork already, I will speak to Skol at Ozbike and also Meat at LTR and see if i can get some backing from them, "free advertising is always good". I like what i am hearing now comes to hard bit BaldyPete Nove27-2003 Sorry Goddess our wires keep getting crossed, Your kids do qualify for what the BACA stands for except our laws dont ... Gutter beware when mentioning this great idea to anyone within the law as our Charter would have to be dramatically different than that of our American brothers and I did ask one of my mates yesterday about a back patch and it was a definate NO....I agree as this would only make it look like a group of try hards wann to cash in a our biker lifestyle, This country needs this as a way of showing that at the end of a long line of abuse and derogation bikers will always shine through with saving the sanity of kids who dont have a life.. What a lot of us gotta remember is that when we attend our mates bike shows and

rallies run by all OMCs around Australia a lot of the money raised go.s straight to charities around that all benefit from and then Low and behold comes the creeps like Knitwit rann and his mates that then tell everyone that they only donate the money to make themselves look good meanwhile our kids who are suffering in silence are left to sit on the fence until they can work out how to get away from the abuse they suffer, That abuse most of us have suffered and thats what the BACA stands for, We all must not forget that there are also a lot of other setups that also help these kids and they must be included or they will all label the BACA as a bunch of DoGooders attaching themselves to the weak....Most of us on the internet have learnt many skills in asking our friends for a helping hand so setting up a chapter of our own here in Australia shouldnt be a problem, I will see if I can get the president of One of their chapters in the states to come visit us here to have a chat, but I still think it would be more beneficial to run our own as last time I inquired they were not interested in spreading to Australia...That was 2 years ago....Gutter my pc has spat the disc drive and I cant read my discs so I will try me mates pc shop and use theirs and get that charter to ya if not I will send it via post ... I was also given official rights to display the BACA logo on my website and I have been given the right t allow others to use this logo as long as its not displayed on sites that deal in Pornography etc...By the way the size of the patch is about the size of a matchbox and if I had my way every biker in australia would have one as a sign of respect to our young ones...I will post some more details on how you can help with this as soon as gutter posts the info...... Pedro Nov28-2003 This is a top idea. I would support for sure. Respect to Gutter & Baldy Pete for take time to get it up and running etc. If it only saves a couple of kids it well worth it. As these sub-humans are low weak scum etc, maybe knowing that such a movement is out there, it could make em think twice before they try any of that shit. This sort of movement would be well received by the wider community, one would think. Sexy G sorry to hear about your drama, remember every dog has there day. His will come. Gutter 28-2003 Its 1am here and I have just read your posts people and am really blown away by what i am reading. S.G the whole point of an organization like BACA is to empower children so of course you could be involved, the actual membership would be limited to Bikers for obvious reasons but most definitely there would be a need for supporters and that I am sure you are. What I need to do is organize myself when I get back to work, luckily during the day I am a shiney bum (and yes that does mean I am a Public fuckin Servant but I have a mortgage and gotta pay me way just like everybody else so please don't hold that against me) so it gives me time to do shit that matters. Once again I'd like to public thank you all especially Sid and Baldy for their support and I'll keep you all posted on my progress with the wallopers.

BaldyPete Nov28-2003 Dont worry guys Membership of a this idea has to be talked between all those that will get this club up and running, I guess we will be a part of the American scene cept we have to bend the rules a little ..The American charter which means it is thrown into 3 categories.. 1) supporter... Shall abide by the clubs codes of conduct while representing the club, may also attend all rallies , court hearings, events and meetings etc, 2)Associate...Shall abide by the clubs codes of conduct while representing the club..Shall wear an identifying patch at all times while representing the club, must complete and pass a back ground investigation to be able to work with kids.. Must ride with the club and attend 60% of all scheduled activities for their chapter for one year (unless excused by absence) before being approved for membership by the board of directors. Must have access to a motor cycle Shall have voting rights after 6 months of join date 3)Member ...Shall abide by the clubs codes of conduct while representing the club..Shall wear an identifying patch at all times while representing the clubMust ride with the club and attend 70% of all scheduled activities for their chapter for one year (unless excused by absence) Must own a motor cycle..Shall have full voting rights... I have used what the BACA have used in their application form cept once again we would have to talk about what we would want when it is a done deal....But as I see it membership would be open to anyone willing to be associated with the biker lifestyle and full membership would be there for those that ride, We have to remember that to make this work we have to include members from all walks of life as well as those that represents the kids in court...If we dont get the blessing of some cops then they can make it hard for us as you may have witness when them yank Guardian Angels came here to take over our trains ...I would hope that the cops would be there to do the jobs we cant but that can all be talked about at a later date, More important would be the fact that for once and all we can help our young mates as well as gain a name for ourselves and have a good time doin it.. I personally have about 20 or so kids who would benefit from this idea as well as showing my town that the elders here may think the kids are scum but with the help of Bikers can realize that they too are important, These kids are snorting Paint and other crap and the only man in town they either fear or respect is me, and I would rather help them with kindness rather than be just another do gooder that tells them they cant do that...The cops in my town say that Im a hypocrite coz of my past but thats where this club would be such a great idea as them cops are right coz I have snorted lots of things and I was living on the streets when I was 14, I did have abusive parents and did time for stupidity...I know can safely say that I have been thee and I want to pass on my experiences and how I learnt to deal with them onto these kids who dont have a life, When we publish our own charter you will see how all of us here can become involved and also be respected amongst your own communities as the ones that got it right, once again it takes real men and real women to get the job done....It would also pay to spread the word amongst your mates and tell them what this club would be all about and if they would support a great idea... Bobnov28-2003 Hate to put a downer on such an up topic but, 1/ How do we screen potential members/ associates? We could lead the rockies straight to some fresh meat. This worries me.

2/ Where is the line drawn for abuse? The school teachers these days dont punish kids anymore, they read em their "rights". My youngin was about 13 I think, when he informed me of his rights (as told by teachers). One day he decides its his right to tell his mum to get fucked. I decided it was my right to kick him up the arse. He decides he can call the coppers and inform them of this "abuse". I decided to hold his ear hole while he dialed and told him to tell them to "Send a couple big cunts cause your old man is quite angry". He decided not to make the call. What if he had? Like I said, where do you draw the line, and how do you not empower the kids to act like arseholes? Just a couple of what I'm sure are many questions that need to be addressed. Believe me I know this is serious shit, it just has to be genuine. DownUnder1%Nov29-2003 Let me say this,it is a great idea this b.a.c.a thing and i support it 100% as would any decent person,end of story!!! Gutter, this is for a great cause and good onya for doin it,but for fuck sake leave the back patch issue out of it!,you always seem to be involved in areas where a back patch is considered to be worn by a social organization. this matter has been covered many times on this forum so there should be no reason for it to be debated. A small patch to wear on the front of a vest is the way to go for some, and t shirts and stickers are a must because some clubs arent allowed to wear anything else on their vest but their own thing no matter how noble the cause. So when the shirts are made i would proudly wear one. *************************************************** BaldyPetenov29-2003 Bob I agree with ya as I have a couple of stepsons who have used me as their scapegoat a few times cept Im well known and so are they so its not much of problem...As Ive told gutter the BACA has its own agenda to take care of what the cops cant within reason yet our laws in Australia wont allow this type of intervention, But as in your case that is not what the BACA is about , Its there to protect kids that are abused and need to break out of the abuse by way of befriending the kids with outings etc..Presents on birthdays and runs to provide funds for kids days out, Our setup would be more bringing all bikers together with a common cause and thats to look after them forgotten kids and we can deal with the parasites that molest them by turning up at their court cases so as they know when they are released back into society that they have to leave by the back door coz their is a bunch of ugly looking bikers hanging around the outside, Sort of make ya think twice bout playing with kids hey...This is not going to be setup for parents who smack their kids or whatever. Abuse comes in many ways, It may be that some parents and mostly step parents dont give their kids a life for what ever reasons and then when it has been discussed between parents and reps of our set up then that kid becomes one of our recipients of rides and activities of the group, What is needed is a group of men to sit around a table to discuss the agenda that would have to be approved by our cops and by some of our political friends who wont send out the army to quash a good concern, Another thing to ponder is the fact that most bikers got kids and these kids will meet loads of other kids from the other side of the fence and there they will se how good they get it when it comes to having a family and more important having a family that cares about others, There are many towns around Australia where the kids are forgotten and when we come along them towns are gonna see what we do

and then may feel a little upstaged by what we have shown the forgotten few and the flow on would all be coz of our Group...If you think this group would be of a vigilante type then your wrong as thats against the law and who are we to judge...I havent got the time to get this show on the road but I do have the time to help it get to its starting stage and whats needed to get it on the road so all need to talk about it and I wouldnt worry about the back patch as I have researched it a little and it never was on the agenda as I have more respect for my mates to ask them to accept another goodwill group to fly colours...If you have been to the BACA website from the link I left you will see that their setup is huge and they fund their cause with the sale of patches and tshirts etc, This would fund days out where we get to take kids for rids and then we give em a present for being special and then we (if we have to) Their parents are always advised and permission sought so as they know that we about doing what their towns wont do, As for abused kids then we will walk with the Dept of Family Services as to what we may be able to do to help this kid, and when we are needed to park our bikes on a certain cnr we will...We will also make sure when a certain creep who has been arrested for being a creep we will park our bikes outside the police station, We will not allow bad sentencing go in silence and we will unite on these subjects Australia wide ,It may take only a day of your time a year as well as wearing the patch on your vest or the car sticker and the Tshirt, but within a short time we would have show them fuks that allow scum to roam amongst our kids that ya being watched by sum angry Bikers somewhere....Most of you have read what Sexy Goddess wrote about how she was being stalked by her x, the cops couldnt do much as it was not in teir jurisdiction cept had this group been around then they would have taken them kids onto one of their many rides with the ride going straight past this creeps home and ya cant tell me that aint sending a message to stop the abuse....Off course her accusations would be researched by a few in the group that knows how to research and that when certain members of the group are needed...If ya know what I mean.........Cheers Fistly let me get one thing straight, this organization once it is established will have members that wear a front patch ONLY. No backpatches will be even considered and I appologise publically for my ill-considered original post. The question has been raised that if we sell t-shirts and patches, stickers etc what do we do with the money well to be honest at this stage all I can say is funding kids initiatives. Please be aware that when this is up and running I will make sure that everybody knows exactly were the money is going and that the money goes to kids and kids only. I will keep you all posted, and Du1%er my apologies once again to you and yours. regards and respect Gutter BaldyPeteDec21-2003 I agree spook cept this is Australia and I agree with No More Back Patches, This rule should be respected by all bikers and no new back Patches until its an accepted club by all clubs, Only then will we be a respected charity type club that will make a difference once and for all to our young ones, Most of you dont know me so I could be anyone trying to set up something that at the end of the day shits on those that wear a back patch and seeing that my respect is non questionable I just could not wear one...If and when we consider we deserve to make this idea a back patch then it will be done on a we deserve it basis, Another reason the back patch is a no no is

the fact that we want associate members from OMCs all around Australia as they will be our major contributors and allies to a showing of force etc....We are talking about changing bullshit image as well as showing that it takes us to take care of a situation that others shy away from, If you ride a bike or if you can help out with anything then you will qualify to be part of the BUACA...I hope that in a couple of years if ya not with the buaca then you aint shit if ya know what I mean....Dont worry Gutter has a lotta good shit to tell ya as soon as he talked to his mates and then we will have our patches designed and for distribution... Gutter Dec2-2003 Done some prilim work on a website. Check it out and give me some feedback bear in mind that it is fully under construction http://www.geocities.com/BUACA2003 BaldyPete and I would like to rope in as many people who can help as possible, so here's the deal if you have a dab hand in art do up some designs for a patch (front only) about the size of a cigarette packet and also for T-shirts there we will need two designs one with the Logo on it and the other with the logo and the word Member underneath. So get drawing and send em to me at BUACA@yahoo.com or maybe Sid could set up a forum here so we as a group can decide which would be the best design. Any offers for the donation of a prize for the best design would be appreciated and maybe also would get the less interested (or maybe shyer types) drawing like demented Picasso's. Remember it dosn't matter if you think your drawings are shit we may like it and if not we may at least get a good laugh out of it. Please remember they must be in colour but try to limit the use of too many colours as this will effect the costs of production and therefore the end cost. **************************************************************** Spook Dec2-2003 oh ok,..Ill go get my crayons see what I can conjure up graphically... ...also, next week it appears I'll be talking with SW from GJMC on a professional level. I asked him if we could speak later today after the filming. Initially he agreed. Word came back later that I have to wait. I have to wait for the outcome of the interview he did today before he'll agree to any further discussions....quite understandable. With Sid's suggestion, I will ask him his perspective on the BUACA should he agree to return to let me interview him

Our Patch Issue

Gutter Dec 2-2003 I think the patch needs to have some kind of graphic (image) aspect including the letters BUACA. The fist I think would not be good to use as it implies force, I know that sounds soft but with this issue we must ensure that we do not in any way upset the powers that be cause in the end were doing this for kids. As for the colours of lettering, shit to be honest I had not thought that would be an issue but I will make some quick enquiries and get back to you.