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RECORDED JAIL CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL GARGIULO FROM EL MONTE JAIL, EL MONTE, CALIFORNIA.

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Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office July 2013

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D – Undercover Deputy Duncan S – Undercover Deputy Staley G – Michael Gargiulo J – Jailer(s) U – Unidentified Voice ***– Undescernible RED - Transcript Time BLUE - Real Time GREEN – Party Enters or Exits Cell

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CASE NO.: CASE NAME: CHARGE: RECORDING DATE: RECORDING TIME: RECORDING NO.: DEPUTY D.A.: D.A. UNIT:

SA068002 Michael Gargiulo PC187(a), et al June 17 – June 18, 2008 1504 hours Gargiulo Perkins.wma Daniel Akemon Major Crimes

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Mark Lillienfeld from L.A county Sheriff’s Homicide; and Mike Staley from L.A. Sheriff’s Major Crimes Bureau. *** and, yep, we’re on standby. *** the time, uh, again, 1348 hours -- Good luck. U U Thank you.

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:01-00:02> *** All right. ***. Okay.

No, I’m good. I am just gonna walk out that door. Thank you, buddy. All right, man. See you later. All right. *** *** <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 00:03-00:09> Here’s the, uh, *** you requested.
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Today’s date is June 17th, 2008, Tuesday, with Detective

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Oh, okay. All right. There you go. Thank you. You’re welcome, dude. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> 00:10-00:24> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time

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Yeah. I was coming ***. All right. *** You want to go in here?

Come in here. Be nice to this guy, alright? <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Yes? Do you know when I can be able to make a phone call, sir? There is a phone right up there. Oh. Oh. Okay? Thank you. I think *** they’re – they’re working. Okay. Thank you, sir. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> All that do is collect calls? Yeah. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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<Gargiulo enters cell.> <Transcript Time 00:25>

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Ready to go ***?

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Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. Michael Gargiulo. One moment, please. Thank you for using inmate <Unintelligible background noises/voices>

Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 – for the first minute plus a dollar for each additional minute. Your call – <Unintelligible background noises/voices> G S G J U U U <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Time for a new attorney. Thank you. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> You’re welcome. Oh, fuck. My own attorney is fucking refusing my call?

For English, dial 1. Para – <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices heard> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep> Michael. One moment, please. The number you called is not allowed. Oh, fuck. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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This is a collect call from Michael Gargiulo from the County

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communications. For a rate quote, dial 7.

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noises/voices> U U U G U G U U U G U U Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> ***. Michael. The number you called is not allowed. Holy shit. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. <Beep>

<Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Please say your name after the beep. Michael, Anthony’s client. One moment, please. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Thank you for using inmate communications. For a rate <Unintelligible background noises/voices> U This is a collect call from Michael, Anthony’s client, from the <Beep>

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quote, dial 7.

County Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute, one dollar for each additional minute--Your call was refused.
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Dial the phone number now.

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For English, dial 1. Para Espanol marca dos.

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Goddamn it. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Are they answering? No. They’re refusing my call – my own attorney. <Chuckle > For English, dial 1. Para Espanol – <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. The number you called is not allowed. For English, dial 1. Para Espanol – Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises/voices> The number you called is not allowed. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Oh, my God. That’s fucked up.

Or is the phone working? The phone –

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You’re actually getting through, they’re just not answering? My attorney is not gonna answer. Mmnh. I don’t get this -- my attorney. For English, dial 1. Para Espanol – <Unintelligible background noises/voices> Dial the phone number now. <Unintelligible background noises/voices>
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Anthony’s my attorney. I need to speak to him. It’s Michael. Thank you for using inmate communications. For a rate I cannot believe my attorney won’t answer. Mmnh.

This is a collect call from “Anthony is my attorney. I need to

speak to him,” in the County Jail using inmate communications. The charge for this call is $6.60 for the first minute. One dollar for each additional minute. Thank you for using inmate communications. G U G U G U Yes, I’m trying to get a hold of Anthony. He’s my attorney, And is this Michael? Yes. My name is Carrie. Carrie, I’m at – I’m in an El Monte jail. And, uh, Homicide – You’re – you’re fine. Don’t worry. I know exactly what’s Uh, there was nothing in court. They said “Homicide He said Homicide -- Homicide detectives wanted to talk to Exactly. So, I’m in the El Monte jail right now, waiting for Okay. Wait one second, Michael. We’re getting Anthony.
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going on. Uhm, what happened today, though?

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detectives wanna speak to me.” you? Homicide detectives to talk to me about another case.

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Hold on one second. G U U G U G Thank you. Mmnh-mmnh. Hello? Anthony. Yeah. I don’t know what’s going on. But, they have me in an Is that you Mike?

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Uh-huh. Well, that explains it, then. Well, you don’t have to

talk to them, obviously. And you definitely shouldn’t. And tell them that “On advice of counsel, you were specifically told not to speak to them.” U G They’ll take you back. G Okay. And then, where do I go from here, I mean? I’m being slammed all around here and there. They’re not

giving me any air. They’re putting me in a cell where I’m claustrophobic. El Monte Station is fine. They have me in an open cell. But, they’ve had attorney. I asked for medical advice. They – they refused medical advice for two days where I almost had a freaking attack and collapsed. U U What do you mean an attack? Like I have anxiety attacks. Oh. Okay. Well, we could probably get an order to have you me in 23 and a half hour lockdown, not being able to make calls to my

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seen, uh, by – by a prison, uh, or jail psychologist or psychiatrist for appropriate medication. But, you know, the – the immediate order of business here is just don’t, uh, – you know, just don’t make any statements. Just say *** your lawyer on a related other case and you were advised not to talk. Simple as that.
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El Monte jail right now saying that I need to speak to some Homicide

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Okay. I don’t even know what – I mean – I mean, you know, the other thing you could do is try

what I’m here for. I mean, are they – what are they trying to do, I mean? to get their cards. And I can give them a call, once you find out who they G U Okay.

And you could tell them that I’m happy to talk to them. Uh,

you – if you can get their card, and I get the information from you, or they can feel free to call me. G All right, Anthony. I know I’ve been refused calls earlier.

Uhm, if you can make sure, the office, like if I have to call you, again. I U Well, it’s not really that. If you were refused a call, it’s

limit ran out. But, we’ll take your call for sure. U line, ***. G U Yeah, he – uh, if the receptionist picks up in time, Michael, then, automatically, you’re sending a ***, uh, *** line. So, if – if you ***

everything on my towel, now.

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much longer we’re gonna be able to see you on this thing here. So, what I’d say is just, uh, if the police come – it’s kind of odd that they would be so late. You would think they would have tried to talk to you earlier. But, uh, just let them know that you’re represented and that you were advised not to speak. But, I’m more than happy to talk to them. And, uh, you, possibly, might talk to them. But, I need to, obviously, talk to them first,
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probably ‘cause you got put on hold or something. And then, the time

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but, uh, yeah, obviously, ***. But, uh, obviously, *** they can – they give

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to figure out what’s going on. G U G U G U G S G S G S G S Thank you, Anthony. And, if they given you any insight on what they might be Thank you, Anthony. Thank you. Okay. Bye.

interested in, ‘cause I simply don’t know. All right. Good luck. Hang in there, Mike.

Are we allowed to open those things for air? Or -Uh, I don’t know. Try and see if it’s open or whatever. Uh, I No. Yeah, you can’t get it out. Oh, shit. I can’t even ***. Yeah. ***. How you get in here? Mmnh. I have no idea. don’t freaking know. Probably painted shut, I guess, or –

No idea. You get in trouble once, and, ssh, the second one, Manslaughter. They’re sayin’. Some, uh – they picked me

up on a four-year old manslaughter case. They got me on some DNA I happened to have left in the parking lot, or, you know, the guy got I got in

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a fight with. And he took a licking and quit ticking. And what the fuck did I know? What was he gonna – uh, I guess he died later. I don’t know. So, I didn’t know shit. didn’t even know I was wanted for anything. I knew I got in a fight with the guy. But, I didn’t know the fucking guy died. You know, so, about four – I don’t know, four or five years ago.-- The next thing you know, I’m getting fucking stopped. They run me and, fuck, they tell me I’m –
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from every place. What are you doing here? What happened to you?

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They’re telling me I have court for

a warrant today. And then, they pulled me out of the court and said detectives want to talk to me. And then, they brought me here. S G S G S Yeah, I heard you say Homicide detectives? Yeah. I have no idea what they want. What’s up with that?

want you, they’ll come talk to you I’m sure. I’m still waiting for them – not the Homicide guys – I don’t think. Fuck, I don’t know, to come talk to me. I don’t know when that’s gonna happen. Mmnh. They don’t tell you a lot. -- So, they just ripped you off of court? You said? S G You were in court and they took you? G <No audible response>

into the court. When I got up there, they said that we have – we’re asking for him to be released early so he could go talk to the Homicide S G S What court case? Was it a court case you had? I have no idea. There’s no court case. They just lied. Mmnh. That’s weird. Well, it’s probably – well, not probably. detectives.

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I know this is their county. *** doing some time and sitting around. Where were you at, at County? G S G S G Oh, shit, 9 – level 9. Been to the pen? Fucking single cell 23-hour lockdown. High Power? Yeah.
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<Unintelligible background A lot of bullshit going on in County right now, I think. <Cough> Oh, man. Mmnh. Santa Monica. Santa Monica? <No audible> You from out here?

That’s a crazy place. and, uh, attempted murder. But, bullshit.

Mmnh-mmnh. They’re trying to charge me for burglary and – Burglary and attempted murder?

attempted murder.

No? Somebody you know? Or no? Huh.

your side of the story, and we’re charging you with the maximum.”

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have. But, they – they don’t have nothing on me. So, -Yeah. Well, sometimes they just stroke you with that bullshit. And sometimes you don’t know what they know what they don’t know. You know, and sometimes they know a little bit. And you – but, you don’t know which part that they know and which part they don’t.
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They just picked me up. The detective said “I want to hear Damn. Wow. They could charge me, uh, anything and everything they

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detectives are gonna be getting at straws, because I know nothing to help them out. S G S G S G week – S G S G S G S G S Nah, fucking two weeks. Mmnh. Mmnh. I’ve never been in trouble. Mmnh. How long were you at C.J.? Mmnh Uhm, what was that, buddy? Huh? <Cough/clear-throat>

What’d you say? I am sorry, I haven’t fucking slept in like a Oh, you sounded like you were ***down in C.J.?

And that’s a $1 million bail. Mmnh-mmnh. Oh.

Is that the same thing you talked about?

to jump on your tail and throw their case on yours.

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close cases and throw everything on one person. Sure. That’s what they do, man. Instead of knowing the real deal. They probably think you know something about it, even if you

didn’t do it. And they’ll charge you with it, you know, hoping that you
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And then, you know what? Like all the other detectives want What’s that? I said “That’s what detectives are good for.” They just try to

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I’ll be there for a long time I’m trying to fight a case right now.

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know who did it or something like that, and to see if you’ll give up something. G They could charge me uh for whatever. That’s why I have an attorney. You know, they’ve got to have a weapon – weapon – a witness and a DNA And they have nothing. too. <Chuckle> G S G S open that up? Yeah, if you can get it open, I’m good. It looks like that one opens right there. S Yeah. Of course, it helps if your attorney takes your calls,

Yeah? Well, those hinges look painted shut from here – from

for the big grate up here. I don’t know if it’s gonna have air coming in. S G S G S It’s taking it out you said? It’s taking our air out. Oh, is it?

<No audible response> Yeah, it probably is. Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises> <LAPSE TIME: no intelligible conversation; Transcript Time 00:50-00:57> You want to stop coughing? That’s not *** Oh, shit. I know. It sucks, uh, the truth, man. Shit, I don’t get water. So, -14

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S G S G S G S S G S G S G S G S G your chair. S S S G G

*** the top. On this? Yeah. It doesn’t come out very good. Like push it real hard. I’ll take this any day compared to that other cell I’m in. You’d take that any day compared to what? Oh, uh, down there? Yeah. I’ll take this any day compared to the cell I am in.

least, you know, -Yeah. And that is *** right there.

*** it gets all packed full of people and shit. But, -I’m so weak and tired, man, I can’t even move. I haven’t slept in days. *** Yeah?

I’ve been sick, man. They didn’t give me any covers. Yeah, it gets cold down there, too. My cell is the side of – size of from that gate to the end of Yeah. You’re in High Power down there, you said? <No audible response> Were you at ***? Or at, uh, Twin Towers? Or – Yeah, 2 – 231. Yeah. I was at 900 and uh – up at, uh, Super Max, up at, uh

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– up North or – a long time – well, a long time, well, not that long ago – a few years back. And that’s you’re locked down 23 out of the day. And you get to come out to come out to yard room – and it’s like this size – for an hour. You know, you could play basketball, which is you play
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basketball and you go back. Mmnh. Yeah, I’ve been trying to fight this fucking cough for, shit, like a month it seems like. G S G S G S G S G S G S G S S S G S G S G G Cops? Or detectives? Huh? No, cough. Oh, cough. No, it – I’m waiting on detectives, I think. The cops? Or detectives?

Mmnh. Your cough comes from your nasal. Trust me. If you Yeah? Yeah, I feel like I’m fucking drowning, man. I’d I know. But, fucking it’s either that or you cough, ‘cause that Yeah. Yeah.

snort some water -probably just –

I’m that way, ‘cause I am so congested from all the air. Now, I can breathe, though. Yeah, I just – uh, I don’t know if I could do that. So much fucking air pumping on you in those other places. Yeah. And it’s always circulated shit, too. Mmnh. My cell, no air circulation. Just air pumping in like that. That’s it, huh? Wow. <No audible response> You haven’t been to state you said? <No audible response> You ever been to state – state prison?
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drippage is just dropping in your throat.

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<No audible response> That’s a fucked place. Man, I’ve never been in trouble. I don’t get how they Yeah. Most of the fucking –

freaking, all of a sudden, I’m in all this trouble. I mean, it’s bullshit. I would do nothing to jeopardize being with my kids or my Yeah. How many kids you got? Two. Two? And I’m freshly married.

Wow. Cool. Kids will keep you centered. What kind of work I’m in electrical in Beverly Hills.

the plumbers all the time. They’d run their fucking shit out three feet past Mmnh.

We had to carry our shit on our shoulders. I don’t – I don’t do new construction. Yeah, man, I’ll tell you, that’s where the money’s at, doing, I do remodels. Quick money. Oh, that’s good money, too, especially, in Beverly Hills. I think detectives, uh, for that other case, shut my business Which – what case? The Santa Monica thing you were

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Yeah. They shut your business down? They took my van with everything. Oh. I don’t know why they do all that, man. They’re not gonna

They’re just trying to make trouble for me. S G S G S G S G S What are they doing that for?

I don’t know, man. I’m guessing they don’t like you when you Yeah, that’s true. <Cough> Mmnh.

don’t talk and you have an attorney. Then, they don’t like you. My body’s all weak and achy, shit.

the water, and put it in your nose like that. Yeah? Or take toilet paper and stick it all the way up flat. Trust me. <No audible response> I’m sure you feel like that dripping in the back of your throat, <No audible response> That’s why you got a cough. Now, it’s just kind of numb, dude. Yeah. Trust me. The more water you put in there, the better Okay. Witch doctor, I’m gonna try this shit.
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find anything. I don’t get ‘em – anyone. I haven’t been in any trouble.

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G friends.

I got it from many of my doctor < Cough>

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And you’ll start spitting all that shit out. And you start drinking Damn, I don’t know how you can do that shit.

a ton of water. And start drinking a ton of water and all this yellow shit will <Cough> G S G S G S G S they’re gonna think I’m crazy.

I wish we could get some air in here. But, if I climb up there, I don’t know if this thing will even open.

that should be *** in there.

The one up at the top’s open. *** the corner. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> They’re all painted shut? Well, these are. But, this has been – well, yeah, I can’t tell. It Fuck. It’s all painted –

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something in there. ***. G S Imagine having what you have, and then, I have acid reflux Ssh. That’s tough stuff. With that, you get all that vile acid coming up and choking me, too. and shit all – that will wreck your, uh – your esophagus, your throat and shit. I had a friend who had had that – but, of course, he had other shit too. He had ulcers and everything else. But, he had to go to the
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hospital. And then, he had a surgery from that. G S G S G Yeah, I hear you. Dude, this is great talking to someone. I Yeah? don’t get to talk to nobody under 23-hour lockdown in a *** cell. Now, we – we – if I don’t talk to them, they’re gonna try to What’s that?

charge me for something – who knows what?

If I don’t talk to them, they’re gonna try to charge me with

another *** in here, even though I have nothing to do with it. ***. If I don’t talk to them ***, they’ll try to charge me for whatever they have here. ***. And then, I’m gonna be *** serious fucking lockdown, then. G S <No audible response> S You think so?

you in here. *** they only have cameras. Because, that phone right here, because of the – uh, the outside speaker telephone, they’re not privilege that kind of shit. G S S G allowed to record this shit in here, because the, uh, attorney/client

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drag-out fight. And he’s yelling and shit. Fuck, that went on for like 15 minutes, the fight, the guys finally like stop. And, you know, you think they’d be able to watch it with the fucking camera. Well, they got it on tape. But, they weren’t – uh, whoever was supposed to be watching wasn’t watching it. And this was at night. he said, “we could have a fucking heart attack in here, and we fucking G S Man, wish we could get some air. Motherfucker was sleeping or whatever. But, uh, fuck. He said “Man,” die, and they wouldn’t know it.”

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today.” I said “For what?” S G S G S G S G S G You were in County Jail for? Another case. Something completely unrelated? <No audible response> No. They took me out of there. And they said, “You have And then, when you got to court, what happened? Okay. And they took you to court for that case?

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everything’s locked down or some shit like that. I don’t know. It’s hard to say. Did they say who – what detectives? Was it Sheriff’s? LAPD? Or -G S G S What was that? Was it Sheriff’s? Or LAPD? Wow. You’ll have to ask them that. But, uh – I bet you, Sheriff’s probably. Or the –

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told my attorney, I said “Oh, it’s no big deal.” S G S G S some ***. G S G S G it’s about? S G S G S in any shit? Or what? No. You’ll spit all that shit out. Man, I know ***. You know what? That shit works, dude. I told you. Fuck. You got to do it a lot. Yeah, I only did it on one side. But, I can feel the difference

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been nowhere where I shouldn’t be. So, if anything’s happened to somebody, it’s because I knew them or I’ve been there. So – S G S G G S G S Well, they have DNA shit on – No. I’m just saying that – that’s just me. There’s – there’s no Oh, so, you – yeah.

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rammed with that shit. I had to, uhm, -- I guess they got it –

where – wherever it’s at, like you said, you’ve got a reason to be there, then, it’s on them to try to figure out anything else. DNA for that shit, then, you know, you’re – if you – you better make – you know, make your – fucking did some shit, and you try to say you weren’t there, and they got your DNA, then, you’re fucked, ‘cause it’ll match up, -- All I know is, if you – if you’re there, and they got you on

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that she got raped. And your DNA – uh, my buddy did that. He – him and his girlfriend were on the way out, and, uh, she called him over. And they did the fucking wild thing and all that shit. And two hours later, he left, she called the cops and said he came over and fucking raped her and all that. And they took her to the hospital and hooked up with this other chick, at the time. So, he fucking lied about it. you know, it – it – and then, he tried to tell them the truth. And, you know, they – uh, he – it worked out because she ended up telling them, later on, that she was just fucking him over, just cause, you know – in fact, I think they took her to jail. -- But, uh, you know, shit like that, you – that’s how they catch all these fuckers on, you know, uhm, -- what’s that show? Most – America’s G S G the person. S Mmnh-mmnh. Most Wanted. took tests and all that shit. And – and he lied about it because he was

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if you are – and, you know, maybe *** – this whole thing is about sweating you for somebody else. And you may not have no idea who that other person is. G S Mmnh-mmnh. You know, so – man, my fucking nose is cleared out, dude.

showerhead off. It’s on one of those hoses. And she turns her head

tried to get me to do it. There’s no fucking way I could do that. She – she sits there and lets it run. Anyways, she swears up and down by that. G S Mmnh. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> <Unintelligible background noises heard/voices> 01:26-02:57> U S D S Thank you. Not much. <Sigh> *** Welcome to Hotel California. What’d they get you for? Mmnh, fuck, me and the old lady had a fucking blowout. <Unintelligible background noises/voices> S D J D Mmnh *** Okay. There you go. Thank you.
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don’t even get to see.

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the drop of a hat. Fuck.

they – they want to question -- talk to me here? Tsk. They always try to tack on everything, man. What kind of – what kind of – what kind of DNA do they got? Well, they took my blood, my hair and my saliva. Shit. Oh. Even blood? Yeah. They’ve had it thrown around all over the place. Well, uh, did – you know what? It didn’t sink OJ. My

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skinned girls. But, I – and she – you know what? She’s a – she’s a great girl. Okay. But, she’s got this fucking temper. D G D G D her that. G S S D S D S D S Wait. Wait. Brown-skin or like brown brown skin? Oh, well. ***. I mean, *** Fuck. You know what is fucked up It doesn’t work that way, though. I know it. Now –

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connect me, you know. D G D S Yeah, right. Yeah, I – I know that. Yeah. They say “Oh, wait a second. He’s a serial killer.” Yeah, what do they call that? Serial or – yeah, I got, you Yeah, it’s a, uh – man, I forgot what it’s called. ***.

know, uh – they call it MO? They – you know, they track shit on computers, too. The

just know I was ***crime shows and shit that *** track down people to do stuff on the computers. And, they – they still got to prove everything. They got me on manslaughter charges. This fucking guy I got in a fight with four, almost five years ago, in the fucking parking lot. And we got in of the fight. I didn’t even know the guy fucking died. I was – I was gone found my DNA there, too. They found blood and – and, uh, skin from me. I don’t know where the fuck they found it. But, uh – S huh? D S S D D You’re probably gonna have probation come talk to your ass, Yeah. You know what? That fucking P.O. of mine, too. *** You got a P.O.? Yeah. You’re fucked. And he’s fucking on my ass. And you know what? I mean, D Hmm, I’m telling you *** a fight. And they say he’s fucking dead. And they’re saying it’s because – long gone. So, I don’t know how the hell they’re gonna do that. They

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reason for that, man. Bullshit. D S D G Mmnh. What’s the Sheriff coming down to El Monte – why

are you here in El Monte and Sheriff’s fucking want to talk to your ass?

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jail for some stupid shit.

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Twenty-three hours? Yep. No phone. No visits. <Cough/clear-throat> Fuck that. They’re just trying to freaking cause more problems.

Regardless, I’ll fight this case, too. I mean, fuck, it’s gonna cost me S G S D one. ***. S D S D Hmm. D S How many cases you got? Two? One. One?

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restraining order against me, now. G D G D G D S D G D S D S D S D S D S S Man, I made a call for ten minutes. And it was 50 bucks. Whoa. From here? <Chuckle> No, in the County. <Laughter> Oh. Damn. What kind of work do you do? I’m in electrical. Wiped out my wife’s card.

Oh. That’s gotta be all right. Guess it doesn’t pay at all when What kind of a job you are gonna be missing out on? Me? Yeah.

you’re locked down.

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Marina Del Rey is?

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fucking *** put the plumbing up, five feet over the *** so we had to carry all our shit over the stuff. We get *** wars with the plumbers and plumbers cutting pipes off it for fucking ***wash down our shitter-trashed. <Clear throat> D Yeah, seems like *** both – both of these fucking jobs. But,

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Uh-huh. Yeah. Fuck. Fuck me. So, you did pretty much, when you saw her show up, you’re Oh, yeah. And, you know, she was – I mean, you know, she

going to jail, huh? had -- my fucking old lady had her convinced. And, uh, she was a fucking bitch to me, uh, all the way over here, you know. S <Clear- throat> <Unintelligible background noises> D S D S G S Yeah.

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*** open that. *** shut. I got it ***. No, that’s all. Oh, they Yeah. they did.

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up and says “You know what? You don’t have nothing***. Why are you charging him?” D G S D S D S D S Yeah. Yeah, Yeah—Yeah.

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I’m fucked up no matter what, Oh, ‘cause your first case *** Piling*** Well, how did – what are you – what’s your theory? You think Yeah. They don’t care.

since they have another case, they’ll charge me *** sitting here.

to do with nothing. Then, they’re just wasting time. <Clear-throat> Fucking system man. <Sigh> Bullshit. <Sigh> -- Well, yours does not sound too bad. You know, it could happen, right. You get in a fight, somebody falls on the curb or something. Is it – you know, is it S D G D D D S *** it’s still manslaughter. Still get time for that. really your fault? Everybody’s drunk.

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he just go home and drop dead in his house? I have no idea. D S G D G So, you haven’t talked to any detectives, yet? No. My first case. There’s not much *** the person that – that happened *** Yeah?

me just around. D G D G G Can’t identify you? No. What the fuck, man? <Sniff>

someone running out, saying “I’m sorry. I’m sorry.” So, how is that attempted murder? D G blood. D S So – yeah. And, as long as there’s nobody to – as long as Well, they said they found my blood next to the person’s Well, that’s kind of fucked up. But, is--is that – without getting personal, is that possible that

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didn’t have the thing. You better hope, for your sake, it’s all right, man. And like I

experience with it. But, you know attorneys they ***come and get 'em out right? But – <Cough> D

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consensual shit. But, if you said you didn’t do it, and your shit’s there, then, you got problems. D S D S So, like, you can’t like – well, I see what you’re saying. Yeah. They can prove you had sex with – with a girl. They can ID – Really? Yeah. Fuck, yeah, dude. That’s – you’re fucking shit’s got

DNA all over it. And they – they take her to the hospital and give her like they’re coming up with your fucking DNA. And and you try to say you didn’t have no sex. And they say, “Yeah, well, guess where we pulled it out of?” And you’re – you’re done. So, -D S D S Wow. Huh.

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year old prison.

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round fucking pie-shaped room. It’s got – they’ve got about eight cells. looks like a big pie with different slices. And the room is weird. And, if they got some guy, you know, being an ass-hole, they’ll open up the main door and fuck everybody else off in the whole place. D S main door and throw a fucking can of, uh, tear gas in there and shut the

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on me. I’m pretty sure that’s how they got me.

say. I don’t – I haven’t talked to anybody. So, I don’t know what the fuck, you know, they’ve got or – S D S S S D S D D D Yeah.

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for ***. D S Well, I’d rather be here. Yeah, that’s true. I ain’t no hurry to get out of here. I mean,

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And who’s the other – what’s your name who uses the meds?

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Mmnh, mmnh. I’m gonna try to eat. Shit, this is fucking not bad. Good stuff. Mmnh-mmnh. I want to know what the hell I’m doing here. Man, this is Yeah.

out of here. Fucking, at least you got food <Chuckle> S D G S D S and – you know, you’re not Yeah, ***, too. locked down or nothing or shit ***.

I’m worried about what they’re trying to stack on to me now Yeah.

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My DNA, uh, won’t end up on Oh. Oh. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. So – Well, that depends. You know – Yeah. True. <Clear-throat> Unless they planted it on you.

you, unless I knew you.

Any kind of bullshit. That’s pretty – that’s a pretty tough thing You know how many pieces of hair they took from me? No. Over 75, cut it in all different ways it would fit. And, for what

reason? And, now, all of a sudden, there’s a warrant out for my arrest Mmnh-mmnh. This is freaky shit for ***. Yeah, Mmnh-mmnh. I was fucking hungry. <Chuckle> I’m gonna start doing more fucking crimes in El Monte -- And come here. <Laughter> I know – I know fucking guys that *** that would do a crime Well, I’ll tell you what. Yeah. If you were living on the street, Okay. You’re lucky I caught my watch commander before he, <Chuckle>
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don’t need your jacket. You’re coming right back. You’re not going anywhere. Keep your hands –Keep your hands in your pockets, please. <Unintelligible background noises> D S D S D S I’ll help him to concoct his story. What’s that? I’ll help him to concoct his story. <Gargiulo EXITS cell.> <Transcript Time 3:43>

No, you should <Clear-throat> probably just let it ride right ***.

I think he’s gonna be up tonight, because ***. *** tonight’s gonna be ***, D S D S D S S D He hasn’t talked to them. Not tonight. ***. Yeah, I agree. And I already told ***. Tomorrow morning. What? Tomorrow morning. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Or, the other side*** if, uh, he goes and talks to them, and Mmnh-mmnh. -- A lot of it’s gonna depend on what they say, you know, if I’d like to see ***. And then, he fucking ***.
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tries to reach *** or something. so -- showing up. D S D You going out next? Mmnh?

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You got asthma or something? No, just a cold from all the AC blowing in my face. Wow, hey, I could use a little AC in here today. I’m about Oh, man.

ready to take this fucking shit off. I had a warrant out to go to court today. And then, the court What’s that? Man, that – I’ve never, in my life, heard of that. No, they did that to get me out here without an attorney. Really? My attorney said “You don’t need me. Why?” It’s just – Well, he thought that – that there was just a mistake.

was released. And, now, I’m being questioned by Homicide detectives? What if they just fucked up?

a good story. Seriously, 'cause you know that they could come at you. Even if I had an attorney? Well, no, no, no. Well, whatever. Give – you know, give Yeah.

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watching the Lakers game. You know what I mean? *** just gonna fight as hard as you are for yourself. That’s been my experience. But, God, I don’t know. I’m just one of those guys that kind of takes care of himself and – I mean, I understand you need an attorney, man. G D G This last case I’m in -Yeah. -- they didn’t even hear my side, and they still charged me
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with the worst. D G They charged you with what? The worst. Like they don’t know if it was a burglary that went

wrong – wrong – went wrong. And – and they’re saying it’s attempted murder. They don’t know. G D G D G I’m fighting it now. D Well, can you do something with that?

good story? Mmnh, I’ll tell you what ***. Okay, man. <Chuckle> I don’t know.

All the -- the papers speaks by itself. They said that they

running out and say “Sorry.” D G D G D it. ***. G D D G D G G “Sorry”?

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Listen, I beat a case once Well, my wife even stated I was at home. But, they’re still Okay. Well, let me tell you something. Again, I don’t know

because I – not my lawyer – I --could gave myself an alibi. So, -saying my blood’s there. shit about DNA. But, let’s just pretend – let’s just pretend for a second – and if they – and – G D guy right? G D G D G D G D D D G glass. D Right out here?
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Yeah, to the left there. See it to Uh, no, no. You know what that is, dude? That’s the shower. Oh. That’s the shower. Yeah. I know, I thought it was a hole or That was freaking me out, dude.

I’m here to tell you, this is an old jail.

And you know how the Sheriffs are like “Get off the phone.”

They’ve been telling me that that’s the last time you’re gonna see your girl here. She’s not coming. And you’re never gonna see her again. G D G D The Sheriffs. At? At County. D Holy shit. Who said that?

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really ‘cause ***. Because I left her for someone else when she was Well, look. Let me tell you something. If – if they’re saying

around that. And you’re gonna need a story to say why you were there. that’s just me, dude. I’m just here to tell you. I’m being real. I’m keeping it real. But, I’m just here to tell you, uh, if they can pinpoint that you were there, like you said, though, you know, – there’s no – no DNA anywhere, dude. I’ve been around too long. Uh, again, uh, – uh, I just – I fucking – I thing I can do pretty good is, uh, create. So, that’s what I do. That’s one ***. And there’s no – there’s no wriggle room for a second fuck. D G D Really? G Well, on this other case *** I know they don’t have shit. Yep. I don’t know. They don’t – they’re just trying to question Could be? Yeah. It could be. *** And because they couldn’t find a case that was by me, where you can’t – that you can’t explain away don’t even know. I don’t know, think – I think my own shit out. I’m pretty – you know what? --That’s one

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***, yeah. So, there was a *** murdered nearby ***. Yeah. What the fuck, man? How many people – how many of those

fucking computer heads do you think they got? Some people get their dude, you know, you may have to think about, I don’t know, that, uh – – you have to be creative. That’s all there is to it. G D Yeah.

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can do it. *** matter of fact, I know I can do it.

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Yeah. Fucking walking the other side *** And fucking snapped a Fuck, ***. That’s pretty funny if you weren’t me. You know, it’s okay. It’s *** shit for now. Yeah, I’m going. Yeah. If you can beat this case, huh? Yeah, well, I’m gonna***. I’m sorry? No. Yeah. It’s like a Wiley Coyote cartoon ***.

band and the whole fucking shit fell over on my ass.

Where? You still got a job when you get out of here?

Do you – do you have button fly pants, either one of you? Do you have button fly pants? Oh. I was gonna say we could take the button out and use Oh, yeah. Get the screw out. Fuck that. I can’t. Probably would file a fucking escape Would they? I don’t know, man. Does that lead to the outside? Or does Yeah. It’s open air. Open air?
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Mmnh-mmnh. Wow. No wonder they screwed it shut. Well, fuck, dude. Yeah. Well, what’s a heavy sentence? Well, to try to, you know – -- Try to put your hand out the window or something. I should have asked the fucking jailer. Yeah, what we could do – The next time he shows up, ***. You know what?

That’s a heavy sentence, too.

Yeah. I mean, you know what? This guy’s been all right. He But, if we’re quiet, we are not causing no problems. Nah, nah. Yeah.

didn’t give me any shit.

Nah. We’re not fucking gang-bangers. *** We’re damn lucky that there’s not a bunch of fucking No, not gang-bangers. El Monte’s full of gang-bangers. Monte Flores. Yeah. *** Motherfuckers. <Unintelligible background noises> You know what this guy showed me? *** Mmnh. *** water through nose. Yeah. *** it stops that.
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Oh. Well, it was only the drip. Yeah. I fucking had a hard time doing it. But, it worked. Snorting like water up your nose? Oh, you know what, dude? When I was learning how to dive, Snorting water, dude.

fucking thing I could have done. G D Salt water would kill everything.

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Is that gonna happen tonight? I – they said that’s it got to be, uh – The number you called is not allowed. <Dial tone> -- 5:30 or something by now. So, I don’t know. <Dial tone> For English, dial 1. <Beep> <Dial tone> <Clear-throat> I don’t know why my wife didn’t hook up her phone.

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Yeah. Yeah, you can’t cross over the number here, unless Oh, fuck. Does she know you’re here? No. Huh?

you go through a landline. Hmnh Hmnh.

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breathing water. D S D S shit. ***. D drowning? S D S G D S D S D S Do what? Drown – drown to death? Oh, no. Good. You know, it fucking works for ya. I’ll tell you what, it burned like a mother fucker. <Chuckle> Yeah, I hear you, pal. I mean, *** you got like a *** that comes up to your nose and How would you like it – how would you like to die fucking ***

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about that. If it burns, it hurts, and all that shit. I – ***. skin surface – ‘cause that’s where all your pain cells are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how many times have you cut yourself – -- And you don’t – you know, you barely feel it, because the Yeah. I mean, you feel it, ‘cause you know you’ve been cut but Fuck that, dude. *** mother fucking ***. Yeah. Needles I What about ***, did you guys – did they fill out any paper Yeah. Yeah, well, I don’t know.
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At the court, they – they took my Really? But, you did that before, right? Oh, no. That was here at this court – the Foley courthouse. That’s probably because they moved you here. That’s For the records or something?

picture and made me put my fingerprints on it.

County guy. Right, ‘cause we weren’t in uniform.

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<Clear-throat> I know. Why would they pick El Monte if the Sheriffs want to talk to I bet you we’ll find out later it’s because it’s just convenient for You think so?

you? They got their own Sheriffs station down here.

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Mmnh-mmnh. Dude, I don’t fuck around and risk it. I’m here No one’s being charged.

to tell you. I don’t need a fuckin another charge.

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them to turn on the fucking air conditioner. G D G D Then, they freeze you all night, dude. That’s true. Then, you get sick, again, and you have ***two fucking bullshit things to fight. Yeah, sounds like a ***. Well, Although that blood thing

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<Water flow> *** charges *** violent crimes the kind of bullshit the officers Yeah. -- For everything. I hear you. I’m just telling you like – like my friend here, you try to come ***after.

know, when that happened a long time ago, and, uh, he – you know, good? G <Flush-toilet> *** What’s that?

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So, you got that. So, they – the

girl wakes up. There’s a guy standing over here with a knife. Uh, -- uh, - uh, she’s stabbed. Your blood’s found there. Uh, you know, um, think about it and think of fucking a lof of different ways to get around it really. ***. I mean, it’s dicey. But, you – you got to – do you trust your G D G D G D G D G Mmnh-mmnh. Come up with a good plan, and then, sell it. What do you say? Well, you know, think about it. attorney?

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type of story?

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threatening. One detective took my blood a few years ago and says “I’m D G D So, you think they planted your blood there? Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, you know, that’s a possibility, dude. I am here to So, you, in general, how do you explain that? Well – You’re – uh--without going around – With-- what? Without beating around the bush, how do you – Without beating around?
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If I’m talking to you without fucking, uh, ***, they can’t fucking *** *** <Cough>

We’re talking about you being there. Well, if you’re gonna go ***.

with the fact that – that you were framed, uh, I am telling you right now. Okay. And that’s fine. That’s fine. But, I mean, if that’s the

fact, that’s the fact. You know, you gotta—you gotta work around it. Uh, you know, it’s, uh, -- it’s, uh – you have to come up with ***. I mean, ***

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what? G D *** . Okay. Well, I wouldn’t--I wouldn’t fucking say to the

detectives put it there because that dude, I am telling you, it’s such a big fucking gamble. D Okay. This is a – this is a – this is just out of my ass. Okay. G I know, I understand, ***.

into your fucking house. Okay. It’s her house, you know. G D Mmnh-mmnh.

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you think he is chasing you. And you split. And she gets fucking fucking you’re out of here. Right? G D G D G D

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okay. He’s a fucking tweaker. Okay? You’re going through. You fucking break open you know--you open the door, uh, into a room. And, guess what, there’s a fucking bitch laying there. Right? G D G D G D G D G D <No audible response> <No audible response> Right?

right? And he is a fucking ass-hole, ‘cause he’s a tweaker. got to ***another person that has to do with ***. rat out my buddy. Would you? robbery? Someone wakes up.

And then, you try to – then, you got to get a name. And you They can’t make you fucking do that shit. I wouldn’t wanna What about just random--What about just uh random Yeah. yeah, uh --yeah. they call it by the way, they call it. Uh, and then you get into a scuffle –you get in a scuffle a person Yeah, you could do that. Uhm, you know, uh, -- uh, you

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anybody who uses a fucking knife is gonna get cut. I’m here to tell you, dude. Okay. Almost every time. Okay. Think about it. Your hand is in a fucking sling. You know, there’s all kinds of shit happening. So, you use the knife – your blood. Or maybe she scratched the shit out of you, right? Uh, girls do that. You know, it’s just a defensive mechanism. Okay. Look. If you’re saying it’s a – G I know you *** that girl, man. *** statement *** the girl. I
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don’t know anything. D G D I thought you said it was a girl. No, they say they don’t know—girl or guy. Okay. Whatever, dude. Guys do it, too. You know, if I

fucking was on your ass, you’d fucking tear my hair out and fucking right.? But, if it was---was ***ass kicked, if you were desperate and you me, fucking do whatever it took. You’d beat my ass. You’d try. You’d fucking do – you’d tackle me, whatever it took-- to get away, is your big thing, right? You’re on – you’re on your defensive. Okay. Hmnh. okay. So, let’s talk about your--your theory. You go in. You do it, fucking run across her and she – you scare her. Uhm, she’s scared. know, people fucking do that shit all the time. They’re carrying weapons. People that do break-ins, almost always have a fucking knife or somebody else’s palace. Right? Somebody else’s castle. Right? Yeah—you – G D D G D something on them – some kind of weapon. Why? Because it’s right? People do that all the time. You don’t think anybody’s home. You You know, she startles you. Uh, you know, you – you fucking – you

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*** us and deny that you’re fucking ***. *** try to ***.

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in to homes aren’t violent. Right? They consider themselves as a sneak thief. Then, they go in and steal shit when people are away. You thought she wasn’t there. You tried to steal her shit. And she was there, okay. God, you know, God, who knows what she did to you. Uh, but, uh, -- uh, you had to finish something and know, whatever, dude. I don’t know. I’m just saying that’s a – uh, you G D G D I *** . get the fuck on. Uh, you didn’t know how fucking bad you hit her, you know, it’s not a bad plan. But, to deny it?

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no fucking idea what that’s about? G D

out of ***. I have a clear record. I’ve never been in trouble. Okay. But, fucking, you know, start making your game. Uh, man, the last thing you wanna do is just to hope they don’t find out. You got to think, I am telling you. Those fuckers they fucking *** in chains. All the dumb fucks that you see catching the chains, okay. If you took ten of those guys, fucking nine of those mother fuckers stood up and say “I

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fucking – I can get creative. Uhm, I know you’ve been thinking about it. And just to walk in and say “I don’t know what the fuck are you talking about,” uh, ain’t gonna fly. You gotta start thinking. You know, uh, you know--think of a plan, you know. G D G happened. <Close-door> D What if the forensics guy see? The cuts – they’re covering the way the cuts were made. The What’s that?

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story. I’m your attorney. I’m thinking up a persona. “My client—ladies and gentlemen of the jury, okay, uh, is a dope – is a dope fiend. He’s got an addictive personality. He needed drugs in the worst way. He’s not a confrontational guy. He doesn’t stick up banks. He doesn’t go into 7-Elevens and rob em at gunpoint. He money. He doesn’t trash the houses. He doesn’t do anything else. He it’s the drugs.” Okay? doesn’t pistol-whip people. He breaks into houses to get jewelry, to get goes in and steals it. Is it terrible? Yes, it’s terrible. But, is it him? No, Now, you take that Mr. Sneak Thief, okay, who he’s gonna build you up, he’s gonna – he’s gonna say “Here’s this poor pathetic creature just trying to kick the habit, “ go into the house and-– you know, you – you’re sure – you’re knocking on the door. Nobody fucking came to the You don’t want any problems. Right? Am I making sense? G D Mmnh-mmnh. So, you do what you do. You fucking get inside. You’re you scope the house out before you do it. You watch it for a while. And door and are you convinced nobody’s in there? Okay. *** is terrible.

looking around. Easy enough. She fucking startles you, or he – whatever it is. Now, ***, dude, you don’t know, right? G D Mmnh-mmnh. Uhm, fucking—uh—he--uh, you know, uh –you know—uh—

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– everybody does, and what happens when they’re startled, you fucking lash out and fucking bolt. G D G D So, what do they charge you for that shit? What’s that? What do they charge for – charge for that shit? Uhm, well, I mean, there’s charging, and then, there’s being

found guilty. Uh, burglary? You bet. Uh, could they throw a, uh, -- could there? Sure. But, are you trying to fucking kill her or him? You – you know what I mean? I mean, if – would – honestly, do burglars fucking try to kill people, generally, – unless generally Richard Ramirez – no. You’re fucking in there and– you’re just trying to get in there, take the your story. That’s a fucking bitching story. You’re gonna do time for it. gonna get the worst case scenario. G D G D D G What’s that? Yeah. shit, and fucking split. That’s all. That’s fucking – man, that’s – that’s I’m here to tell you, but you’re not gonna fucking, uh, the wor -- you’re not My first offense I’ll still do time, huh? My first offense – -- With that—the time like? 15 years? Well, I don’t know, dude, because, you know, I don’t know. No record. I don’t know, man. Think about it. You know, uh – I have a felony for taking *** when I was 16 or 17. What was it? Taking a garage door opener from someone’s car ***.
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mean, if it’s – if it’s dropped, it – it can’t be held against you. was seeing. Yeah. But I – but, I’ve had zero– no problems.

Well, then, uh, look. No violence ***. Uh, think about it.

Uhm, L.A. County Jail is--the state prison system – uh, system are fucking way, way, way overcrowded. Right? Yeah. I mean, sure, you They’ve got floor-sleepers and shit. Do you really think - does anybody they’re getting these fuckers out at ten percent, yeah, you know. I mean, (exhales)– I don’t know. it’s – it’s just – it’s just – uh, you know what? I believe you and I get along really nice, uhm, because you’re a smart guy. I’m a smart guy. Uh, it seems like we got kinda personalities alike. Uh, and you don’t like to think about getting locked down. You seem like an all right guy. And, you know what? On the outside, I – may have one-man cell. But, that’s not the norm in L.A. County Jail. really want you *** locked there any longer than you have to? That’s why

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houses are a whole different class of – of – of crook to the legal system. They’re not violent Richard Ramirez kind of guy. Right? G D <No audible response> This is what I think. Uhm, I’m just – you know, I’m just

you know, I gave you an idea and you had a great idea. Uh, either one of that drop of blood, steal yourself, understand you’re probably gonna

do some time. How much is important. You’ve got two children at home. You don’t wanna do fucking forever. Are they your kids? G D Yeah, I’m married and my wife’s about to.

wife is fucking – or a good girl – a good lady, anyway -- I ain’t married. the fucking home fires lit for you, you know. But, the thing is, uh – uh, you’re in a world of hurt right now. And ignoring it ain’t gonna fucking And that’s why they didn’t have ***. The guy that came up with a plausible alibi – that’s what the attorney called it – a plausible alibi, Number 1 – and sure, you may – you may take – you may take – you help. I told you, nine of those ten people in that fucking chain, ignored it.

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may catch a chain for awhile. But, a plausible alibi is gonna fucking get you out of trouble every time, ‘cause it’s all about the jury and that whether the, uh – uh, oh, it’s – it’s the doubt factor. Is it possible that he’s telling the truth? And that’s what they have to consider. If it’s possible that – that he’s telling the truth, then, they can’t convict you for a serious crime. G I’m so fed up with these fucking detectives here.
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doing, yet. Hell, they – they might – you know, they might just be, uh, out fishing, you know. You don’t know. You know, well – or, if you’re lucky,-they’ll come up to you and tell you, uh – uh, here’s our case. And what they got in it. Now, you think “Well, I’m not that lucky, that sounds like know. And you can come up with an explanation. <Close-door> D G D G D G killer. ***. D shit.” But, the fact is, it is lucky, because you, now, know what they

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sure it’s not a – it’s not like you’re not a witness in something?

doing it for years. Okay.

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it was a mistake and they forget to fucking give him something, like a – you know, a piece of paper. I don’t know how it works. Isn’t the D.A. supposed to give them something? Uh, because it wasn’t a mistake he showed up. Maybe it just – the whole thing is a mistake. D G D G D G D D Why? G No, they did it on purpose.

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you to testify to anything. As much as you want to testify, he won’t let you. G D Yeah. Yeah. Anybody else can testify. ***, but, ***, you know, uh, <Sigh> D

an attorney just doesn’t wanna do that. Why? ‘Cause the D.A. can cut you to ribbons. You know,

make you look real bad in front of the jury. G D G D

Well, they – they told my wife already “Oh, he’s – he’s Fuck that—***.

married to you and he’s on Match.com cheating on you.” My wife knows I already know.

But that’s not –you know what though? That’s not gonna

guys fucking around on their wives. Right? G D G D D G Yeah. I just – I don’t know. That’s just me. Uh, look. Whatever you ***.

do, you take it one at a time. Otherwise, it will get overwhelming for you.

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good fucking woman. You got – you got two kids. G D G That one’s hers though. Two others. Those two – oh, okay. Okay. Well, the fact is, dude, a good Nah, she’s got *** and her, uh -- she leads her –
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Yeah. -- Life with God. She’s religious? Yeah. Well, you know what? Uh, you know what, that’s even better.

they’re kinda follow the scriptures. They don’t wanna – they don’t wanna she’ll, uh – G D G D G D Her mom’s told her that ***. Yeah? Well –

I can’t believe she didn’t hook up her phone, though, man. I called there at 2:00 in the morning, and told her to hook it No. Listen, man. She didn’t – she probably didn’t

understand how important it is right now. Who knows, dude? You never uh, anyway, my advice is just take it one at a time. Don’t worry about the fucking detectives right now, the – the Homicide detectives. You worry about what you’ve got and what you know is, uh, what we talked about.

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up with a story. I came up with a story. They’re both fucking good. They’re both fucking good. I like yours better, actually. That’s one person that, you know was seen there. So, – and there’s, also, something to be said, you know, uh, when – when – when, uh, a jury looks at – if drugs are a big problem, obviously, right?
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mess up. So, with any luck, if you got a good church-going lady, and, uh,

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<No audible response> Especially when, you know, you got – meth everywhere. Even if there’s no drugs in my system? Yeah, but, it doesn’t matter. The fact is you’ve got to steal for

it. Right? I mean, you could think of a million more reasons why you gonna get her up there. Uh, maybe, uh, you know, uh – you know,

big issue, man. What if you got fucking a gambling problem and you owe, uh, somebody big-time money? Hey, maybe – you know what? Maybe you lost a load. Maybe you – you’re dealing dope. You lost a – a key or something or a pound, right. Man, fuck, you don’t use it. Right? D G D G And then, -- then, what happens is – that--that you know, you <No audible response> G Mmnh-mmnh.

So, what do you do? You fucking, uh, do something that you Man, that just broke my heart. I should have *** you know.

That part where we had good business, but he’s like “How come you haven’t been working for two weeks? You blew me off?”

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you’re not doing anything *** house?” I said “Because I was going to do another job for my brother.” And it – and, uh, he’s like “You’re a liar. You were not sick. You keep lying. You’re lazy. You do nothing for the business.” I’m the one that found sells all the jobs, owned the truck, bought all the equipment to – with him, taught him I said “I’m gonna teach you how to sell this way. And this is how we’re D G So, you’re the brains *** ? how to sell, and pull them out of a hole, even though he had no clientele. gonna make a lot more money.”

Yeah, so, what he did is that he threatened me and, says –

you know what? I told him “Don’t you dare talk to me that way. I’m not the owner, I am not their employee. If I get – uh, I said “We need to sit control it. You bring – you bring all the invoices and keep them at your Like fuck the contract. I don’t need to listen to the contractor, ‘cause we have a partnership agreement.” He’s like “You go your way. I go my because of the.” And he’s like “You wanna sue me?” So, he hadn’t been at his house. D way. I’ll take the tools out of the truck tonight.” And I said “I’ll sue you, down and talk. The way you run the business is wrong. You try to house instead of calling the customers. Nothing goes to our contractors.

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employed guy, right? You’re – G D The business is over, no money coming in. Yeah, you got – well, not just that. Well, -- well, maybe you

fucking owe your partner money. That’s the only way it’s gonna happen. You need to fucking, uh, -- you know what I mean? Think about that. It’s G D G D about that? G D I know. I mean, I own the truck. Yeah. more***.

Some girl invested in it. And I’ve not been able to pay her Okay. So, you’re trying to pay her back. What do you think It’s the facts, dude. It’s fucked up.

back, ‘cause my partner kept blowing all the money.

It is fucked up. And, dude, it’s – I mean, it’s better than

and going fucking, uh, – uh, you know, Richard Ramirez on them. That’s fucked up. G D G D D G This guy disappeared, huh? Oh, this dude? <No audible response> What’d they say they were taking him out for? Fingerprints. Maybe he’s just got fucked up fingerprints. A lot of

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construction types too. I don’t know about you – I don’t know. And – and, again, we’re talking bigger problems. That is fucking ***. G D I cannot believe my wife didn’t open the phone. <Sigh> Yeah, hopefully, there’s a good – uh, you know what, dude?
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I’ll be she has a good explanation. She has a good explanation for it. Keep trying. I have faith in you, man. You’re a fucking ***. You’re gonna come up on this one. G D G D G D G D G D G My daughter’s fucking mom, man, has been the biggest How old is your daughter? She’s two and-a-half, dude. Oh, fuck. July 6th, my son turns five. Good kid? He’s great. God damn. nightmare of my life.

Isn’t that a reason for fucking needing money?

not the kid. And, always threatening to take the kid away. Anything but lie, say “Oh, you – you’re violent.” G D D G D What?

Yeah, so, she—so she could take the kid away. Well, they all say that, man. Saying that I said I was gonna shoot her parents and – I think they learn that from birth. I think that they learn that *** trying – she’s been trying to ruin my life. Yeah. Well, let me tell you something. I don’t think pushing Man, I am so fucking dizzy and feel like collapsing. Really? Why?
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my old lady is fucking violent. You know what I mean?

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I haven’t slept. Oh, that’s probably – you’re probably exhausted. <Sigh> Well, what – what happens if the detectives come in tonight, <Laughter>

man? <Chuckle> *** fucking sleep in the back seat. G D G D Hey, I was – I was told not to say a word. Yeah. Okay. *** call my attorney.

Yeah, that’s what -- you know, an attorney always says that.

Although, it’s got to be killing you not knowing what you’re charged with – I mean, not knowing what the fuck – what they have on your ass. You G D G don’t know. D G D D D G D G G *** a homicide probably somewhere around where I used to It’s about what? don’t have any idea of what the fuck they want, eh? live, or who knows?

Probably a – a homicide around where I used to live. Or I Oh. Oh. Oh, Oh, okay. I used to live in El Monte. But – Oh, did you? Yeah. That’s fucking weird you ended up back here. Yeah. Me, I’m a west side boy, man. How much money is this gonna cost for the attorney? I don’t know. Yeah, but, see, man, uh, again, I don’t know,

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hand, uh, you think of it’s – you think uh, he’s, uh, it’s great, uh, stories. It’s that reasonable doubt, that the jury has to consider. You’re doing the – you’re doing heavy lifting for the attorney, ‘cause that’s what he gets paid to do. Right? G D G D G D G D G the money. D G D G D Yep. Yep. You got to admit, most people in jail don’t have much of an <No audible response> I don’t think so. Nope. <No audible response>

imagination, do they?

Nope? Now, attorneys have good imaginations. But, you’re different. And I’m different. Attorneys’ imagination is to live in a big house and having all

And I don’t give a fuck if you go to jail. But, *** acquittals and Yeah.

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would be a trophy for this guy. You know, why don’t you – you know, what if you walked in there with your idea and told the jury “My client did this, this, this and this. Yeah, he was in there. He’s not trying to deny it. He went there and he did this, this and this. Convict him if – of the – of, you know, uh, breaking and entering into a house. But, don’t convict him with fucking attempted murder.” G Man, I have had no sense of *** hurting anyone.
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