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Fri., Oct. 11, 1991 THE ENGINEERING SOCIETY'S STUDENT FORUM Fri., Oct. 11, 199f
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Engineering Building ... To the Future!
Martin Zagorsek
2B Systems
Picture this: you arrive on campus
bright and early, only 15 minutes late
for your 8:30 class. You're stiII half-
asleep, so you wander over to the new
C & D and grab a sugar and caffeine
fix. A poster on the door reminds you
that you haven't bought your
Oktoberfest tickets yet, so you go
upstairs to the Orifice. After buying
your ticket, you still have half an hour
before next class. The dilemma ... do
you flop down on a couch in the
Engsoc Lounge, or do you watch last
night's hockey game on the big screen
in POETS?
The Engineering Student Centre
(for lack of a better name) would be a
building to house everything Engsoc
is, and a lot of the things engineering
students do. The C&D, the Orifice.
POETS, the Iron Warrior, the
darkroom, all of these operations are
currently scattered through CPH and
EL (the darkroom), stuck wherever
we can find space for them.
Space is the underlying problem.
Every one of Eng Soc's operations is
cramped for space. The Orifice is
often stuffed with people, the C & D
has lineups, and POETS runs out of
room whenever there's a big event
held. It's even possible that more
people would use these facilities if
there was more room for them.
A little elbow room may not be
enough incentive to build an entire
new building, but what if the space
we have is taken away? The faculty
has authority over the allocation of
rooms within the Engineering
buildings. They are being quite
generous in giving students the space
that we have, but how long will their
generosity last? There is no guarantee
that our space will not be re-allocated
as enrolment grows. This year there
are many more frosh than in previous
years. There have already been
thoughts of converting fourth-year
study rooms back to classrooms. The
pressure on available space will only
grow with more students coming in.
The concept of a building for
engineering students was introduced
at the Joint Executive Council Meeting
on July 6th. It was presented as
merely an idea to be looked into. Lots
of people would like a building, but
not everyone will agree on what kind
of building, how much it should cost,
and if it is worth the money. A lot of
input from a lot of people is needed
before any decisions can be made.
An architect was asked for a
feasibility study that same month.
The study is a rough proposal for a
two-storey building, which could be
located between E2 and CPH where
the portable is currently placed. (The
location is about as central as is
physically possible.) The building
would house the Engineering
Society's offices, meeting room and
reception area; the Coffee & Donuts
shop and storage, the Iron Warrior
office, and POETS pub/lounge/study
area. POETS would be about twice its
current size, which opens up
possibilities for a fourth-year study
area, a pool table or two, and much
longer hours. The pub could be run
as a regular establishment, rather than
the few hours a week that it currently
serves. The current supply
arrangement with Bar Services could
be improved upon.
Of course, the first questions in
many peoples' minds are: who pays
and how much? The proposal
described above has an estimated cost
of $916,000 in 1991 dollars. For future
construction start dates this increases
by $40,000 per year, which means
building it in 1993 would cost
$996,000. That does seem like a lot of
money, and it is. But when it gets
broken down to what you and I pay,
the numbers are much less
How Queen's Did It
Martin Zagorsek
2B Systems
While visiting the Queen's
Engineering Society and touring their
building, your trusty Iron Warrior
reporter had a chance to have a brief
chat with the society's President,
Steve Zoumtos, and VP 'Operations,
Paul Hart. I took the opportunity to
ask some questions about the building
and the pub, which they are quite
proud of and love to talk about.
IW: Do you think the building and
pub help your identity as an
engineering society?
Prez: Oh incredibly. Everything we
do is organized here. We're right in
the middle of campus, so we have all
kinds of people stopping in all the
time to talk about society business
and events. And of course there's the
pub. It's our social centre, really. All
of our council meetings are held there,
and it's pretty busy when it's open at
night.
IW: How busy is busy? Do you fill
the place often?
See Interview on page 6
intimidating.
In a worst-case scenario, if
absolutely no money was raised from
any outside sources, the building
would cost about $20 per student, per
semester, for 15 years. Not an
overwhelming amount, but money is
money, and no-one likes the idea of
yet another fee on their statement.
Possible sources for outside funding
would be donations from alumni (or
whoever else wants to give us
money), C & D profits (though they're
quite small), profits from POETS if it
was run by EngSoc, and any events
held for fundraising. With some
work and a lot of luck, the university
might be persuaded to pick up a small
part of the cost, since the building
would definitely add to the university
as a whole.
Extra funding could be used to
either reduce the fee or the payoff
period. Alternately, the fee could be
made optional like the VSC (or better
yet, like Imprint, which you can
simply cross off your fee statement
and not pay). The refund pro ess
could even be integrated with the
VSC's, so no-one would have to do
extra paperwork. With an optional
fee, outside funding could be used to
make up the difference between
student fees and payments.
Nothing has been set in stone, no
decisions have been made. The
architect's proposal was merely to
give some idea of where, how big and
how much the building might be.
That has been presented here because
it is the only proposal so far .. Other
proposals will quite probably be put
together, and ideas sought after. The
funding methods are all merely
suggestions, and will be considered
carefully.
Above all, nothing will be done or
decided without input from any
people who want to have some say.
The Student Life Flop should not
happen again. A committee is being
formed, to meet weekly (Monday
Nights at 4:30 in the Orifice), where
everyone is welcome. Even if you like
things the way they are, come and say
so. This could be a great
improvement for engineering student
life on campus, if a proposal can be
put together-that pleases everyone.
All it needs is some work, some luck
and lots of input from a lot of people.
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Grow your own DOPE ...
For the last-year I have tried not to
mention this but it's finally got the
better of me. Over the last year there
have been two posters on this campus
that have really struck me as odd and
I thought I might as well point them
out.
The first poster is one on the back
of the door to the E2 Copy Center. It
says something like "Grow your own
dope ... Plant a man" and has a picture
of a man's head growing out of a
garden. The second poster (which,
after a year and a half has finally been
taken down) was in the security
department front office. It hung
behind a desk and read: "1 only work
half as much as the men around
here ... I do things right the first time."
Y(iIJR owt) 001' J
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The posters never really bothered
me. I actually think they are kind of
funny, (if these ladies wish to send me
photocopies I'd be very appreciative).
The one thing, however, that keeps
popping into my mind is ... what if a
man had put up similar posters
referring to women? Would there be
an outcry? Would there be lobbyists
picketing for the sexist's dismissal?
Would the university's policy against
sexual discrimination in the
workplace cover that situation?
Hmmmmm, something to think
about .. .
/
Hats Off to the E&CE Dept!
I would like to extend my thanks
to the Department of Electrical aRd
Computer Engineering for their new-
found initiative. On Tuesday October
8th they held a forum for all the
classes that are currently on stream.
The purpose of this
mass meeting was
to air any problems,
questions or
suggestio ns
students had
regarding
UW.
department
realized tha t
needs of
students are
continually
changing and has
finally come to the
students for advice.
From the
response of the
students there is
obviously a lot of
concern regarding this issue. A few of
the topics that were discussed were:
The order that we take courses in
The amount of emphasis that is
placed on labs
Improper timing / complexity of
labs
The narrow viewpoint most
engineering students develop
The fact that a lot of Professors treat
compu ter engineers as 2nd class
students next to electricals
I really feel that the Professors
who participated did a tremendous
job in running this meeting. On
behalf of my colleagues and myself I
would like to thank the department
for their efforts to include us in their
decision making process. It can do
nothing but
benefit the electrical and computer
students of the future.
One thing I would like to point
out is that the department can not
satisfy all of the people all of the time.
We all have very different ideas on
how the curriculum should be set up;
there are many personal factors that
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influence our
preferences.
Whether or not
grad studies are in
our future, whether
we want to work in
a technical field or
move into
management... all
of these fac tors
affect what we
believe we should
be taking in school.
What I'm trying to
say is that we
should all extend
our thanks to the
department for
showing they
care .. . even if we
don't get exactly
what we want.
If anyone has any comments to
add to this discussion I would be
more than happy to forward them to
the E&CE department if you leave
them in the IW box in the Orifice.
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Friday October 11, 1991
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The Value of EngSoc
Lately the TUmor mill has been
working overtime around EngSoc ,
with the most prominent topic
concerning the loss of the Orifice as a
result of the space problems that the
administration is having. First let me
quell your fears. I have it from a
reliable source that the Dean does not
intend to give EngSoc the boot and
the Orifice is in no danger, although I
can not promise that this also applies
to the fourth year study rooms ...
The discussions that have
centered around this topic have raised
some concern with myself and others
about the feelings of the
administration concerning EngSoc. It
seems lately that the guidelines that
flow out of the Dean's office are
beginning to become more limiting.
I've heard "We aren't supposed to be
doing this" more times this term than
I care too. Does the engineering
administration really understand the
level to which EngSoc contributes to
the high standard of education in
engineering at the University of
Waterloo?
A good education is made up of
many things. First and foremost is the
quality of the courses and the
professors that teach them ... or is it?
Although I agree that the courses
taught in engineering are good, the
teaching ability of the professors and
T.A.'s in my opinion leaves much to
be desired. There are exceptions, but
many professors are often unable to
successfully connect with their
classes. For this I do not blame them,
after all how many of them have
actually learned how to teach?
Prez Spews
Hello and Welcome to the
Engineering Wonderland!!
Well, I'd be lying if I told you that the
last two weeks were uninteresting
and unexciting, so I'll tell you what
has been going on.
Somehow the Arts Boar appeared in
the CPH Foyer on September 30th. 1
don't know what happened, and I do
not want to know. However, I did
have a meeting the Director of
Security, AI McKenzie, that
afternoon. It was a very faScinating
meeting. Mr. McKenzie infonned me
of the history of the Boar, as there are
only two in existence. Also, that the
Arts Boar is usually rubbed for luck,
and therefore holds a mystical quality
for some people. Anyways, the Boar
was picked up by university
personnel. I can only hope it doesn't
appear to soon in the CPH Foyer
again.
The issue of school spirit was brought
up by the president of MathSoc and a
few others from campus recreation at
a dinner I attended earlier this past
week. It was insinuated that we, as
engineers, don't care about school
spirit at all. I would like to retort that
we care a great deal and have made
The technical knowledge that we
gain in four years of study is vast, but
that knowledge only serves to make
us good lab rats, not good engineers.
If in the future engineering is to be
elevated in image and stature among
the general public, much more that
book knowledge is going to be
necessary.
In order to be a successful
engineer you need to be able to deal
with people, and this is a skill not
learned in lectures or in textbooks. (or
in management science courses,
contrary to that department's belief)
It is learned partly on the job, but
most of it comes as a resul t of
interaction with other students here
on campus. The "people abilities" and
self confidence that is formed while
attending university is a result of the
very things that the Engineering
Society promotes. Without the pubs,
contests, publications, council
meetings, organizations and day to
day contact that is the result of
EngSoc, many of the engineers
graduating from this school would
not do as well in business and
research as they do. Thjs would cause
the image of the university, as well as
the value of our degrees to suffer.
In many ways the organization
that is the Engineering Society is as
responsible for making this a world
class school as is the faculty. The level
of education here is much like the
level of education at many other
schools, (as all of them are
accredited), and the quality of the
equipment is not tremendous either.
Yet this school consistently produces
leaders in business and research.
an effort to involve the campus in our
events ie. Raft Race, Toga Party,
Scunt, etc ...
1 would hope that our efforts to bring
people into POETS for pre-game
warmups continue. It would also be
fantastic for us to show our support
for the Hockey team and any and all
Waterloo Varsity teams. To quote a
song that should give some special
meaning:
" We're here for a good time, not a
long time,
So have a good time, 'cause the sun
don't shine everyday"
Trooper
It is important to support all our
teams because there may be people
around you that are a part of these
teams, and they are important to
them. Therefore, I wish to
congratulate a couple of people in my
class who have made thus far on
Varsity teams: Dave Watson (squash),
Marc Gregoire (hockey), and all those
who have made an effort to join these
and other teams.
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR YOUR
TEAMS AND YOUR MASCOT.
I had a meeting with the Engineering
Alumni for the Waterloo Area and
they have suggested that we get
together with them for a social event.
These people have the ability and
desire tha t causes them to be
recognized in the profession because
of the confidence and ability they
developed while going to this school.
Confidence that is developed as a
result of the student support network
that EngSoc provides and the
responsibility that being a student
leader entails.
Those who will succeed in life
and improve the image of engineering
are also those people who want more
from life than just engineering.
EngSoc, as a result of the programs it
runs, attracts the students who want
to experience university, not only
learn it. How many of us would
honestly recommend that a high
school student come here if EngSoc
did not exist? I wouldn't be here
myself. By attracting the best, the
faculty maintains its high standing in
industry, but the reaSOJl for. ibis
attraction lies with the students, not
They have put forward the idea of an
Engineering night at Yuk-Yuk's. Look
around for further info.
Other stuff happening ...
Engineering Studen t Centre
Feasibility Meetings will t.ake place on
Mondays at 4:30pm in the Backroom
of the Orifice. All are welcome. Yea or
Nay, I would like to hear from you.
If anyone is interested in attending
Student Life Building focus groups
please see me regarding meeting with
the Feds or contact Janine at x6329.
(Feds)
Oh yeah, Don't touch Amy's Mac!!!!
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the university. Through activities
such as the shadow program and
Science Quest, EngSoc is making sure
that the tradition of this school
continues.
I am sick of the administration
telling us what we are doing wrong.
EngSoc is the reason many come here,
and also the reason why so many
stay, despite the workload and stress
levels. The administration should be
falling over themselves trying to help
us promote engineering and make
university an rich experience. Without
EngSoc, engineering at Waterloo
would be a fraction of what it is now -
and it's about time the administration
realized it.
Remember this is supposed to be a
SOCIAL tenn. So be SOCIAL, buy me
a beer in POETS.
Congrats to Hammer & Screw for a
great Scunt. I hope the next team can
do half as good a job.
That's it for this week. Ciao!! Good
luck with Mid-terms ....
Sean Murphy
ThePrez
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DearIW,
Is it just me, or have most of the
engineers lost their sense of humour?
Last term, when J suggested "RIGID
and FRIDGID" as a class name, the
girls in the class were ready to form a
lynch mob. 1 thought that a name that
included a reference to the Ridgid
Tool as well as statics and
thermodynamics was appropriate for
a mechanical engineering class. In
fact, almost half of the class though it
was appropriate, with the exception
of most of the girls. It was not meant
to be sexist, it was meant to be funny!
You know ... ha ha, could you at least
smile?
I had the pleasure of sitting in a
Chern eng class which was trying to
pick a new class name. (at which they
failed J heard. ed.) The name that
won the class vote was fairly funny,
although the acronym for it cannot be
printed here. Some of the people got a
little bit upset because the name was
rude and could not have been printed
on a shirt. They were probably right,
but was it necessary to get that
worked up about it?
My nkknam for th 1a t few
years has been "the Wench with the
Wrench". I got it because I was
always fixing my mother's car which
kept breaking down. The name is
funny, perhaps rude if taken the
DearlW,
My middle daughter, Rachel, is in
first year at the Scarborough Campus
of the Unjversity of Toronto. She
moved i'nto residence about three
weeks ago and a phone was installed
at that time. Last Wednesday evening
she phoned to tell me that Bell was
asking for a deposit of $300 from her.
She is a first time Bell client, and has
no credit rating with them. She has
the $300, but we agreed that this
would be a poor investment for her.
She had tried to reason with Bell after
receiving the demand by mail the
previous Friday, but they threatened
to disconnect her phone on the
following Friday.
I agreed to act as a security
blanket by guaranteeing her credit,
and she gave me tn:. number of her
local business offit. After incurring
the long distancp. :harge necessary to
contact her B<:11 business office in
Toronto, I was place on a never
ending hold. When I phoned back I
was greeted by a recorded message
that the office was closed, even
though it was 8:50 am. I eventually
was able to convince Bell not to
disconnect my daughter's phone by
talking to my business office here in
town.
You can imagine how my
daughter was received when she tried
Iron Warrior Friday October 11, 1991
wrong way, but funny nonetheless.
Even if the name bothered me at first,
I laugh at it now and use the
nickname all the time.
Don't get the wrong idea about
me. The way in which women are
treated in society is important to me,
but there is a difference between what
is and is not harrassment. That line
seems to be getting pushed back and
forth all the time, and much of what
is considered insulting would be
better dealt with using a good sense
of humour.
Dear rw
The Red box or the Blue box?
Are you tired of carrying all your
junk mail to the curb every week?
Currently Canada Post deliviers
unsolicited mail regardless of whether
you have a sign requesting them not
to. This is in spite of the efforts of a
number of private citizens, WPIRG,
and the Ministry of the Environment
to get Canada Post to honor such
stickers. However, something can be
done. You are under no obligation to
accept unsolicited mail. If you receive
mail you do not want, return it to the
"red box". If enough people get
involved, the cost of delivering
unsolicited mail would soon proven
unfeasible.
A few points to consider:
- Return only those articles delivered
by Canada Post.
- Respectlegitimate mail. If you want
to return last weeks flyers do not pack
a red box to overflowing.
- If you want a sticker requesting you
not receive unsolicited mail, you can
get one from the Recycling Council of
Ontario (phone # 1-800-263-2849)
- Why not ask the store you regularly
shop at to make its flyers avaliable in
the store.
Pauline
4th year Environmental Studies
The RIDGID TOOL is a classic
example. Anything produced by the
Ridgid Tool Company is a Ridgid
Tool is it not?! The name was not
chosen to be insulting to women, it
was chosen to be funny. Sure there
are morons who want to worship it

ahead, and feel free to laugh at them
as well. during its removal and moving. This
As women in a field such as On Thursday, October 3 a section damage cannot be repaired without
of wall was removed from room E2- re-plastering the wall, thereby forcing
engineering, you can expect to be
1303 in the systems corridor. This the repainting of sections of the
insulted or mildly harassed at least section of wall contained half of a drawing. To my knowledge the boar
once or twice a year. It takes more
painting depicting the famous was returned in one piece (despite the
than just a few years to change the LeonardoDaVinciman in the context suggestion that a proper response to
attitudes of thousands of people. of a engineer. The other half is on the the ruining of our wall would be to
Being harassed is not something we opposite side of the dividing wall slaughter the thing).
can control, but we can choose between the 1 A and the 2B I t f It k h'
whether or not to let it bother us. n er- acu y pran S are one t mg,
classrooms. This painting has been but the destruction of property is
Learning to laugh off stupid remarks there since I entered engineering and another. I have never seen an
could be the most important thing
is, in our minds, a fairly important engineering stunt that could not be
you ever learn. People do not always
part of the classroom. easily returned to its normal state. In
mean to offend, but it is easy to feel The removed section was the ones that I have been involved in,
offended. When you can honestly say
recovered the next day from the Arts we went out of our way to make sure
that a remark is not grounds for
Lecture hall. This location and the fact no iasting damage was done. I find
sexual harassment, then laugh at it
and the person that it came from, or if
you want to, just sock them in the h thO t t th cannot dl'fferentl'ate between fun
kisser (kidding ... ) per aps IS ac was a response 0 e
taking of ilie pig (which, incidentally, pranks, and hatred of the engineering
Michelle Skillen
2AMech
to convince Bell that $300 was an
excessive amount for a student to pay,
given that Bell holds the money, with
only a low interest rate as
compensation, for up to a year.
Several of her female friends received
the same letter asking for $300. My
son and my daughter's boyfriend tell
me they did not have to pay such a
deposit. A female faculty member told
me she and some other girls were
constantly being asked to pay when
their bill reached a certain limit when
she was an undergraduate. Bell does
not differentiate between those
proven bad risks and first time users
who intend to pay their bills, and it
remains to be determined whether
Bell has a sexist approach to who is
required to pay a deposit.
Bell uses the excuse of poor credi t
risks of some students (and others) to
raise cheap capital. This is an abuse of
power. Even when students attempt
to call Bell to clarify why they must
pay this deposit, they are put on hold
for excessive amounts of time.
Until now, J felt Bell provided
reasonable service, and was not very
concerned about whether or not they
had any competition. My interaction
with Bell this last week, despite the
gracious apologies I received later, (by
several phone calls, including one by
someone at least two levels above the
initial clerk I spoke to - Bell responds
we did not do). faculty. In the future, have a sense of
Normally this would be all very humor.
well and good, since both pranks
seem relatively harmless and are part
of an ongoing competition between
the Engineering and the Arts faculty.
The problem exists in the fact that a
to the initials CRTC) has convinced
me that Bell needs competition. Bell is
abusive and autocratic. "She" may
also be sexist.
Hugh W. Kerr
Professor of Mechanical Engineering
Chris DeBrusk
2A Systems
( I would be interested in finding out
other horror stories concerning treatment
by Bell Canada. If you have ever had to
wait around for a phone installer to come,
you know what I mean. Drop a note in the
lW box in the Orifice. - ed.)


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Colin Hung
Hammer and Screw
Congra tula tions to the seven
Scunt teams who battled through
wind and rain to complete the
Toronto portion of the Hammer and
Screw Scunt. Mother nature really let
us have it in Caledon and
Mississauga, but everybody hung
tough and survived until judging. All
in all it was a great day (except for the
weather of course) and the Scunt
Gods of Toronto hope that all of the
teams had a good time.
The day began early at
McDonald's where the team began
what would become a neck and neck
Math ran into car problems
and was forced out early
race to Caledon. E.W.A got lost while
Math ran into car problems and was
forced out early. The other five teams
continued and braved the slippery
conditions on Forks of the Credit
(how about that S tum!) ending up in
Belfountain Conservations Area. After
a quick run through the forest the
teams found the lists and were off to
Toronfo. Conrgats to Chemfusion
(lA) who got their list first.
The first event in Toronto, The
Tes t Drive, was a huge success. The
Mazda dealer didn't know what hit
them as four teams took out five of
their cars in the span of half an hour.
D.A.W.G.5, who managed to get a
1992 MX3, won the event but a couple
of teams deserve special mention.
Adheciv drove the most expensive car
of the day - a Celka turbo, while
Chemfusion's babes looked hot in
we got on City TV's Live Eye!
their Cavalier.
At City Hall five teams
participated in the first ever leap frog
race across the fountain. WHAT easily
took the event beating D.A.W.G.S
(cheaters) by a hefty margin. E.W.A.
got mega bonus points by doing the
race backwards and honorable
mention goes to Adheciv and Chained
& Bound who both changed their
minds and did the event. Congrats to
all the teams (we got on City TV's
Live Eye!!) and we hope your cold
doesn't last to long.
The TTC tour was the only event
completed by all seven teams and all
of them had a great time and Chester
station. The driving tour proved to be
a war of attrition as Math's car was
lost (they just literally disappeared),
The walking tour was (we'll
just leave it at that...)
Adhcciv was too intimidated to try
and Chemfusion lived up to their
names. Only WHAT, D.A.W.G.S,
Q: What is the most important thing on your mind right now?
Jane Alcott
'"' 2AGeo
A: Sex, sex, sex, beer, beer, beer,
rocks, rocks, rocks (in bed).

A: Sex, and my colon!
A: Gimme a beer .. .
John Poisner
Insane
Novelties
Guy
Modern
Languages
pig:
by Sean Johnson 3B Mech
Cheryl of the
Orifice
A: If you can't have sex and drugs,
then what's left... My husband!
Mike Devries
WHAT
A: Why is it that girls don't do what
you ask them to do, and why is it the
girls don't do what they say they're
going to do?
Jeannine
Hooper-Yan
4BComp
A: I don't think I have one anymore.
Chained and Bound and E.W.A.
triumphed (isn' t Hearn a great place
at night?!) The walking tour was
(we' ll just leave it at that. .. )
The final test of the Toronto
Adheciv came the closest to
getting Cindy Crawford
Scunt...judging. Fol1owing the Ohm
Rangers example, judging was long
and ended in the wee hours of the
morning (4:00am!); thanks to all the
teams who bared with us. WHAT put
on a great performance for the
General list and Steve Anthony's
signature was a big plus. Adheciv
carne the closest to getting Cindy
Crawford and E.W.A had the nearest
thing to a real street light. Special
mention must be given to Math who
were the only team to successfully get
a manhole cover and a semi-truck.
Trivia proved to be the back-
breaker for Chain & Bound but they
still finished string, placing the
highest of the frosh teams (4th).
Adheciv scratched and clawed their
In the end the shear numbers
of D.A.W.G.S. prevailed.
way into third and the experience of
WHAT buoyed them to second.
These teams must be congratulated
for giving D.A.W.G.S. "a run for their
money" even though they had half
the number of team members. In the
end the shear numbers of D.A.W.G.S.
ONLY AT .
McGINNIS'
All Dav!
..
Every Day!
prevailed.
I personally want to thank all the
people who helped out both before
and during the Toronto Scunt:
(alphabetically) Chris Bryant, Ellie
Cochien, Frederic Guilbeault, Sean
Kiung, Bill Kowalchyk, Gordon Lok,
Tom Lovie, Bhadrcsh Modi, Rob
Pistor, Ben Shen, Brian Thorne, Lieh
Wang, Rob Wong, Chet, Tequila, Erin,
Angela, Branko and anybody else I
might have missed. Good luck with
next year's Scunt D.A.W.G.5 .... you're
going to need it.
Congratulations fa Hammer and Screw
for running a fantastic scunt - ed.

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Clarke Hall - Queen's EngSoc's Student Building
Martin Zagorsek
2B Systems
Anytime you're about to try
something new, a new job, a project,
or even a new idea, it's always
advisable to find out what you're
getting into. In any situation, the
people who will have the best advice
are those that have already done what
you're thinking of doing. Have you
ever, when picking your jobs from the
Want Ads, talked to people you know
who worked there, or checked the
Un want Ads? Nobody likes to make
mistakes. Why not try to learn from
the mistakes of others?
When the idea of an Engineering
Student Building started to appear
around EngSoc, the same thought
came up. There is already at least one
Engineering Society that has built its
own building: Queens. They are an
Engineering school much like us, with
many similarities and a few
differences. They have one great
advantage: they have been around
much, much longer than us. Their
one-hundredth anniversary is coming
up in 1996. Improving a little bit
every year (and backsliding now and
then), they have had a long time to get
themselves organized.
Their EngSoc lives in a building
called Clarke Hall. Built in 1952
(before UW Engineering existed!), it
was paid for by the society and sold to
the university for one dollar.
Originally, it actually had a residence
section for the President and VP as
part of the building as well as the
EngSoc offices and a bookstore. The
store grew until it became the main
campus bookstore, supplying all
textbooks along with Queens clothing.
It now occupies the main floor of the
building. Clarke Hall Pub opened 15
years ago as the social centre of the
society. The offices for their
newspaper and various other
programs are all in the same building.
The pub forms a large section of
the building, and gets a large portion
of the student traffic as well. It opens
from 8pm until lam from Monday to
Saturday and from noon until 6pm on
Fridays. The bar is fully stocked, and
the prices are about as good as they
get ($2.35 for a beer, $1.90 for draft).
The floorspace is about half as big as
the Bombshelter, and their capacity is
about 90 people. It stays full from
opening until closing on weekends,
and stays busy during the week.
Class pubs are held often, and not just
by engineering classes. While it is still
mainly populated by engineers, a lot
of students from other faculties like it
for its cheap drinks and relaxed
atmosphere.
The place looks very ... pubby.
Slightly worn wooden tables and
chairs, beer logos on the walls, one
clear corner that serves as a dance
floor and a big screen on one of the
walls all make you feel like you
should be sitting down with a beer in
hand. Big windows let in lots of light
during the daytime, and big shutters
cover them up at night. The pub is
used for large meetings (including
council meetings), with the bar
opening up afterwards. Since their
licence requires them to serve food as
well as alcohol, there are subs,
sandwiches and pizza slices available
at the bar as well.
Staff in the pub consists entirely
of students. Two bartenders and four
"Science Constables" are on duty
whenever the bar is open. The name
"Science Constable" has historical
origins, since their faculty is called
Applied Science.*u To keep the
number of hours for each staff
member low, a total of 70 staff are
hired, with each working three shifts
every two weeks. All staff are paid $6
an hour. Any full-time student can
apply for a bartending position, while
the Science Constables must be
Engineers.
One of the reasons the name
Constable was kept is that the society
does not want them to be viewed as
bouncers. Both males and females are
hired, and they are allowed to mingle
and socialize while on duty (but not to
drink). They are there to keep an eye
on everything and to keep things
under control. Any incidents are
handled quickly and as smoothly as
possible. The Constables are a
compromise between keeping the bar
as relaxed as possible and having staff
on hand to handle potential trouble.
On the other half of the same floor
are the Engineering Society offices. A
large central lounge, with a pool table
and couches, is surrounded by doors
to the various offices. The central
room looks much like any fourth-year
study room, and is used for any and
all EngSoc activity just like the Orifice.
There are separate offices for the Prez
& VP's, for the newspaper, the pub, a
few special project offices, and a
meeting room. It's a busy place
during the daytime and it's hard to
tell that they have only half as many
engineering students as we do.
The building is owned by the
university, as mentioned above, and is
leased to the Engineering Society. The
rent is equal to the utilities for the
building, so the universi ty makes no
money from the society. The bulk of
the rent is paid by the bookstore and
the remainder comes from the pub.
The maintenance is still done by the
university, and any changes to the
interior (Le. paint) must be approved,
but space allocation is entirely up to
the society. This arrangement allows
the society to be self-sufficient, while
giving them a very central location on
campus.
Having a central building gives
the Queen's Engineering Society a
tremendous sense of identity.
Everyone on campus identifies them
with the building, and all of their
activities are in one location. While
putting up the building was not a
magical solution to all of their
problems (it created a few of its own),
it was a positive step to establish them
as a solid service to all Engineering
Students, providing no shortage of
fun and social events to keep stressed
students (semi-) sane during the four
years that they're there.
Interview with Queen's EngSoc Prez
VP: Well our capacity is 86 people, so
that's not hard to do. Thursday to
Saturday, we're pretty much 90%
guaranteed to be full from the minute
we open. Especially Thursdays,
which is the fundraising night for the
Grad Formal, there's usually a lineup
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before it opens. Weeknights there are
a lot of class pubs, which we call
Smokers, where it'll be full. Other
times you might get maybe 40 people
in there watching a hockey game or
something, but it's never empty.
Friday afternoons are moderately
busy during Ritual too.
IW: What exactly is Ritual?
Prez: It started off as just a Friday
afternoon beer. It's a really laid back
time, with people dropping in
between classes for a beer and just to
relax. It's become a real tradition
now, it was on the official list of
things not to miss on the Queen's
200th Anniversary Homecoming
weekend. A lot of people really like
it.
IW: What proportion of the people in
the pub are usually Engineers?
VP: Usually around two-thirds. It
used to be entirely an engineering
hangout, known as a smelly beer-hole.
That's changed quite a bit in the last
few years, with some renovations and
better management. We have been
trying to promote it as a campus pub,
and in the last few years groups of
Arts or Science students coming in
have become very common. Along
with friends of engineers that come in
with them, it makes for a pretty
diverse crowd. The laid-back and fun
atmosphere attracts a lot of people,
and it's developed a reputation as a
place to have a great time.
IW: Who manages the pub?
VP: We have three operating
managers, and another two for
advertising and promotion.
IW: How often do you have managers
returning for consecutive years?
VP: Very rarely. The positions
provide an incredible learning
experience for the students who fill
them, and that's part of the reason
Eng Soc is here. Managing a place
like Clarke teaches you things most
summer jobs can't. We encourage
people to apply for the positions,
which are chosen by our exec, and the
managers usually move on to
something else after their year is up.
There's a one-month overlap period
near the end of the school year where
the new people are brought up to
speed so things run smoothly in
September.
IW: How does the pub dispose of it's
income, after operating costs?
VP: Because we keep prices
reasonably low, we don't make much
of a profit. What's left after expenses
is usually used to subsidise various
events for Eng Soc. Any group on
campus can apply for a Clarke Pub
Grant, worth a few hundred dollars,
for any event or project, and we also
advertise in all of the campus
newspapers.
IW: On top of the 5 managers, you
have Science Constables. How are
they hired or chosen?
Prez: We're looking for people with a
lot of common sense. We want to
keep the pub relaxed and fun, but we
also want people who can handle any
kind of situation that might happen.
Fights are rare in Clarke, since
everyone inside is a student, but the
odd push and shove does happen
when people are drinking. We don't
want bouncers, just people to keep
things calm and under control.
IW: Does the exec have any input on
who is hired for the pub?
VP: Technically, the exec has final say
on all pub matters, but we avoid
intervening. The managers do a good
job and operate fairly independently,
and we'd only mess things up by
Continued on page 7
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constantly second-guessing them.
Occasionally a manager doesn't get
along well with the exec, but things
usually run very smoothly.
IW: Who has authority over your
building in the university
administration?
Prez: Their Vice-President of
Operations. He holds the liquor
licence for the campus, and has
authority over the campus buildings.
We deal with him through a person
who is his liason to student societies.
We keep in very close contact, making
sure they're up to date on anything in
the pub or any major society events.
As long as we keep everything in the
open and they see that we have things
under control, they're happy. If
something goes wrong in the pub, like
a fight or if we let too many people in,
Interview - continued
it's still better for them to hear it from
us than from rumours circulating on
campus. We generally have very
good relations with the
administration.
IW: Has there ever been any pressure
from the outside against the pub,
from administration, media or
anyone?
Prez: Mostly from the administration
in the past. The society has been seen
at times as a bit of a fly-by-night
operation, with sloppy books and
poor management. The pub was
pretty chaotic it first opened,
with no-one really sure who was
responsible for what. Nothing has
happened in the last few years
though.
IW: If you were starting this building
now, how would you do things
differently?
Prez: Right now, most of what we do
is covered by written policies, and all
the posi tions are set up to ensure
continuity through different people in
the positions. We're lucky in that
these things evolved over time, since
our society is so old. If we were to do
the same thing now, we'd have to
make sure all this was in place as we
started. The pub has a detailed
written operating policy, and each
engsoc position has a written guide,
as well as for the society itself.
Continuity becomes mue more
important as the society grows and
projects continue while the people in
the positions change.
lW: So what's your advice to UW
Engineering?
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Prez: Go for it, definitely. The
rewards are well worth anything you
put into it. We're incredibly glad to
have our facilities, and we keep
improving them. It's great to have a
place everyone associates with Eng
Soc and engineering, and a great
centre to operate out of. If you decide
to build, we'll be more than happy to
answer any questions and give you
any information we have that might
help. I really hope you succeed.
And there we have it, the view
from those who've done it before.
Whether w 0 som n mar,
something completely different, or
nothing at all remains to be' seen.
They havl' at I('ast shown us on ' w.IY
of doing it, <mJ mon' importnntly,
that it can b' don ' . Nnw <\11 w ' nel-u
to do is de id ' if we w,mt to do it.
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Arts
Lynn and Rob
Arts Directors
Howdy! Your dandy arts
directors are back with some
handy how-to-enter tips for all
the great events going on.
Short Story Contest
Short stories are due
Monday, October 21 tho Submit
previously written or just-for-us
stories of no more than 5000
words to the Arts Director's
mailbox in the Orifice. The
winning entry will be published
in the November 8th edition of
the 1ron Warrior.
Photo Contest
Photos are due Monday,
November 11th. The categories
are as follows:
Iron Warrior
International
News
The Exchange Directors
.. The International News bulletin
board is up outside the Orifice (PS:
the extra cool permanent sign is on
the way ... ) Get info on exchanges,
employment opportunities overseas,
and other exiting stuff.
.. Exchange students: if you want
copies of the group photo that was in
the Iron Warrior, come see Cheryl in
the Orifice before October 25.
.. The International Pub ... still
coming to a P.O.E.T.S. near you.
.. In case you missed that ad
elsewhere in this issue .. .its Crazy
Hat Day Friday the 11 th, so wear
one!
.. Apologies to Rich Kidd
(formerly known as ????????). He's
actually a real person, from the
University of Hull, in England. 1
guess his head should have had a
Union Jack on iLl screwed up, so
sue me! Richard, come into the
Orifice and see us some time ... we'd
like to talk to you.
I WEEF I
LiehP. Wang
How would you spend $50 OOO?
The Waterloo Engineering
Endowment Foundation (WEEF) has
approximately $50,000 in funds to be
used for the enhancement of
undergraduate engineering.
The WEEF has been instrumental
in improving the WATSTAR
computing facilities and in the
purchasing of new equipment for labs
in various departments. Many other
areas and special projects require
funding that fall within the objectives
of the Endowment. This $50 000 is to
be allocated in the beginning of the
Winter 1992 term and the Endowment
is now inviting everyone from frosh
to faculty staff to submit suggestions
on how this fund should be spent.
Proposals should be submitted to
Dave Morton, Endowment Director,
at the Engineering Society office (the
Orifice) or to your department
Friday October 11, 1991
ENDOWMENT
UPDATE
chairman. The Funding Council,
composed of representatives from
each class, will review all proposals
and refer approved proposals to the
WEEF Board of Directors.
The proposal should contain:
1. The amount of money requested
2. What is to be purchased or funded
3. Who will benefit (include specific
classes if possible)
4. Justification for why funding is
needed.
It is recommended that a short
presentation be made to the Funding
Council next semester, on your
proposal. All proposals will be
considered. If you have any further
questions regarding the Endowment
or the allocation of funds, contact
Dave Morton, Endowment Director,
in the Orifice.
1. Photo Essay
2. Effective Use of Colour
3. Effective Use of Black and
White
Are you sick of this yet?
4. Still Life
5. Spirit of Engineering
If you have a category you
would like to see added, submit
your idea to our mailbox or to
Elisa, the photo director.
Winning photos will be
displayed in the class case
outside the orifice.
TAL-ENG
Last but not least, the
famous TAL-ENG show is
coming to campus!! Now is the
time to get your act together and
audition; tryouts begin next
week and run until November
8th. Pick up an entry form from
Cheryl in the Orifice and leave it
in our mailbox. Be sure to
include a phone number so we
can arrange a time and place to
meet!
Everyone is welcome to
enter all three of these contests,
so wake up your creative half
going! Watch our J
L:n board for details.
Chris DeBrusk
IW Staff
There has been talk about
changing the orange sculpture
between E1 and CPH to reflect
something meaningful (as opposed to
what now exists - see picture). Some
suggestions include:
Replacing it with a monument to
the 14 not forgotten at Ecole
Polytcchnique.
Replacing it with a form of
artwork glorifying Engineering.
Replacing it wi th a statue
depicting both male and female
engineers succeeding together.
What is needed from the
engineering students is some
feedback. Do you feel there is a need
to change the orange sculpture? If so,
what TYPE of art form would you like
to see in its place? If not, do you like
the orange sculpture? Or are you
indifferent (ie, you really don't care)?
If you have any suggestions or
comments please leave them in the
Public Relations box in the Orifice.
An Engineer's guide to the
'THIi' Bombshelter:
Come down to ...
. Computer - get With the program
other
C. !lve wires
, I Clvll- burn bridges
mochanlcal - get things gOing
Systoms Dosign - use your tlowpath (glug glug)
Fresh food and beverages dallyl
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Iron Warrior Page 9
co-op JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN JAPAN
John Westlake
Co-op Services
The Department of Co-Operative
Education and Career Services has
been actively involved in the
formation of a consortium of four
Canadian Universities (the University
of Waterloo, Universite de
Sherbrooke, University of Victoria
and Simon Fraser Uni.versity) for the
purpose of developing employment
opportunities in Japan for co-
operative education students enrolled
in Engineering, Applied Science and
Mathematics programs. The
consortuium has the full support of
the Federal Government.
The director of this placement
program (entitled the Co-op Japan
Program) is actively developing job
opportunities with prospective
employers in Japan. We expect that
placement of students under the
program will begain in 1992 with
perhaps 5-10 students, and increase in
the following years as interest and
participation of employers in Japan
increases.
We anticipate that the jobs will be
made available to senior (3rd or 4th
year) students in the above mentioned
programs and that placements will be
for a period of between 4 and 12
months, depending upon the
particular situation.
Students who are interested in the Co-
op Japan program will be required to
prepare themselves prior to
embarking on the work term in Japan.
They must have language capability
in Japanese, aquired by successfully
completing at least 1 or 2 of the
Japanese language courses offered by
the East Asian Studies program at
Renison College, or by some other
means. Equivalent background in the
Japanese language will be considered.
If you are interested in participating
in the Co-op Japan Program, please
see John Westlake, program
administrator for the Engineering
program, in Needles Hall, Room 1011.
Spirit . Fry-Days
Remember those Wonderful Spirit
days in High School? Remember how
much FUN they were??? Well,
welcome back to ...
CRAZY SPIRIT FRI-DAYS!!
Oct 4 Pyjama Day
Its already happened (did ya notice?)
Oct 11 FUnky Hat Day
Wear your craziest top piece .. .if you
don't got it, invent it!
Oct 18 Plaid and Polyester Day
... or Mary Snyder look-alike day ...
Oct 25 Big Hair Day
... or Joel Singer look-alike day ...
Nov 1 Pumpkin Day
Carry around your pumpkin ... or wear
it on your head!
Nov 8 Vegetable Day
No, don't come as.yourself ...
Nov 15 Loud Tie Day
Dig out your father's old tics ...
Nov 22 Body Paint Day
Paint your faces, or go for the gusto!
Nov 29 Beach Day
Shorts & Shades mandatory.
Come into the Orifice and model your
apparel for Cheryl...give her your
class name for pt*5 points!
Engineering Student
Centre Feasibility
Meeting
Where: Engineering Society
Boardr om- CPH 1327
When: Mondays at 4:30 pm
Who: Eveyone is welcome.
Committee Deadline is November
13, 1991.
25 YEARS!!
The at Iron Warrior would like to congratulate Cheryl on her 25th
weddmg anmverslty last week. Come on down to the Orifice and ask her how
her dinner was ...
"Boat Racing" - Yeah; right ...
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Engineering Memorial
Foundation Tops $500,000
Reproduced in condensed form from
Engineering Dimensions, 1991, Volume
12, no 5, page 16, by permission of the
publisher.
The 1989 Candain Engineering
Memorial Foundation is half way to
its goal of raising $1 million to
support a national scholarship
program to attract students -
particularily women into
engineering. Created in memory of
the 14 women slain at Montreal's
Ecole Poly technique in 1989, the
foundation has so far received
donations totalling over $500,000. It
began collecting funds in January
1990.
This fall, two $5000 scholarships
will be presented. The scholarships
will be awarded annually to two
promising female engineering
students - one entering first year, the
other fourth year. The scholarships
are targeting women who are
excellent role models for future
female engineers. Winners must have
solid academic standings and
demonstrate leadership in the
community.
As funds increase the foundation
plans to broaden its activities to
include: monetary assistance to
innovative projects to encourage
women to become engineers, or to
promote women's advancement
within the profession, and non-
monetary awards program to
recognize significant contributions to
furthering women's role in
engineering.
The foundation is administered
by the Canadian Council of
Professional Engineers. For
information contact Lorelei Scott,
national programs officer, (613) 232-
2474.
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Friday October 11 , 1991
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Important bulletin from your
P**5 director!!
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books o..n6 RetcReJ)CE.. ,guides
p S scores and breakdown are now
available on the WA TST AR network.
To get a point distribution for your
class at the OOS prompt type:
n:\> PS <your class>
This did not happen ...
for example:
Vanities
PS DivS
PSlasys
PS 2bmech
PS2bciv
PS 3achem
P54ageo
P54acomp
P53belec
If you would like a list of the ranking
type:
n:\>PS rank
For a summary of Stunts performed
this term type:
n:\> P5 Stunts
If you have any questions about the
'P5' command mail them to PS@1302!
The University of Waterloo Drama
Department is pleased to present VANITIES, by
Jack Heifner, October 22 to 26 at 8:00 pm in the
Theatre of the Arts.
Vanities follows three women from their
comfortable lives as high school cheerleaders,
through college sorority life at the height of the
sixties, and into the harsh realities of life in New
York,1974.
Here's what the critics say about Vanities:
"Unnervingly funny - like flipping through
an old yearbook ... "
NEW YORK TIMES
" ... a satirically disenchanted look at the
life and growing up times of three daughters of
self indulgent American families
VILLAGE VOICE
TIckets and more information are also available
through the Drama Department at 885-1211
CALL FOR ACTS
Needed :
c o ~ ~
Math & Computer Bldg
Room 2018 Ext 4636
Mon. - Frl. : 10:00 am - 3:00pm
Magicians, Acrobats,
Comedians, Skits,
Musicians, or anything
else that we might
consider entertaining
Pick up audition forms in the Orifice
and return to the Arts Director's
Mailbox.
All acts must be auditioned before
Friday November 8, 1991
The Show will be Sunday, November 24, 1991
For more information contact
Rob McGeachy, Arts director's mailbox in
the Orifice
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The Nostalgia Page
IW remembers the summer of '83
Some things have changed for the better ... (Check out those stubbies ... )
and some things haven't changed at all!
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Personals / 1m personals
This section is something new to IW (actually we stole the idea from
Queens ... shhh!). Its operation is really simple. If you want to say something,
anything, be it funny, serious, insulting ... whatever, and it is 30 words or less
simply write it down on a sheet of paper and tape a dollar (the funny
looking gold coin with a bird on one side) to the note and submit it to the
Iron Warrior editor's box in the Orifice and we'll print it next issue right
here. (Please, no ads, we really don't want this to be a classified section)
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Spews ... LATE!
Varsity Figure Skating e a ~
Competition
We put Serge's article way back here
on the 14th page because he gave it to
us really late ...
The worst time of the term is
here!
Midterms, interviews and
Oktoberfest are conflicting with our
busy schedules. Fourth year students
have it the worst, despite their lighter
schedules, since they must search for
permanent jobs. They will be entering
the real world soon, on the way to
becoming Professional Engineers.
I learned all about Professional
Engineer's at a conference last
weekend. The annual APEO student
conference was hosted by the
University of Western Ontario and
was sponsored by the Association of
Professional Engineers of Ontario
(APEO). The agenda was full of
presentations, plant tours, round table
discussions and a fair amount of
socializing.
Jonathan Lee and I represented
EngSoc B. We were with 50 other
students representing engineering
societies across Ontario. We all
stayed at the coolest hotel in London
(it had a talking elevator).
The second-best part of the
conference was the presentations (the
bc!:t part being the social activities of
course). Barry Hitchcock, President of
the APEO, and Claudette Mackay-
Lassonde, Deputy Trade Minister of
Ontario were among the speakers.
Topics included: APEO's Goals for
the Next Five Years, Environmental
Law, How to Portray a Positive
Image of Engineering, and Shaping
the Engineer of Tomorrow. There
was also a presentation from Spar
Aerospace on the history of the
Canadarm and the future of the
Mobile Servicing System.
The round table discussions were
also very good. The lack of pre-
university education was the topic at
my table. Many interesting views
were brought up but one particularly
struck me. The professor leading the
discussion had a Hippy-Theory on
why young students of today are less
attracted to the maths and sciences.
His theory was that in the late 60's,
during the war, people lost
confidence in technology. Therefore
these people did not study the maths
and sciences. At that time there was
also a shortage of teachers and these
people were hired to fill the positions.
The new teachers taught the kids
what they knew. These kids would
then grow up, without a particular
liking for maths and sciences, and
would become teachers on their part
(an endless DO loop). I found this
explanation a bit f ~ r fetched, but it did
create some discussion. What do you
think?
It was a good conference overall
and it doubled my motivation to
continue the promotion of
engineering. The Engineeri .... g
Promotion Committee will have it s
first meeting Wednesday, October 16
at 3:30 pm in the orifice. We'll discuss
the Hippy-Theory and get to know
more about promoting engineering to
high schools. Everyone is welcome!
. Saturday November 2, 1991
Columbia Ice Fields
Come on out and support the engineers who skate ...
STUNT!
As long as they serve beer ... who cares?
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