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How Wide Should Your 18th Century Panniers Be?

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I've set out on the adventure of making a Grand Pannier to wear under voluminous 18th century apparel, and the first question that came to mind is - how wide was the typical pannier? I thought perhaps they ran the gamut (and they do), but the more I looked at various mid-18th century gowns, the more I noticed the same proportions. Proportion in historical costume is just as important today as it was then. Proportioned garments are why that 1760s Robe a la Francaise looks itty-bitty, but actually has a 30 inch waist. Too wide in the panniers didn't seem to be a problem, but too narrow does not flatter the figure. So what are these magical proportions?

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Thirds and Quarters.
The A, B, and C boxes represent the thirds - the blue box in the center is the width of the
waist (your waist measurement divided by two). The yellow boxes roughly measure the distance from the side seams to where the pannier begins to slope downwards. Surprise! The blue and

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or else you pannier. and my bottom hoop 54 inches across. then your grand pannier should be 30 inches across at the waist. this proportion should work for you.. then your grand pannier should be 54 inches across at the waist. will be 39 inches across.Questions Answered! 2 hours ago We Heart Vintage Queen of the tiny waist: Betty Brosmer 5 hours ago converted by Web2PDFConvert.. bigger is always fine.YEA or NAY? 8 hours ago Cation Designs Accidental Aladdin Pants 11 hours ago Tilly and the Buttons Sneaky Peek of My New Pattern! 15 hours ago Lilacs & Lace Eva Dress Pattern Contest Open for Voting! 19 hours ago kickshawproducti ons. will "shrink") Whether you are robust or thin.Vulgar Tongue 7 minutes ago The Hair Hall of Fame Profiles in Courage 1 hour ago WeSewRetro. You can use Thirds and Quarters to break down the width of the hoops in your pannier. 1 hour ago Show All The Then and Now – Shoes inspired by the past 1 day ago Show All So with these measurements. Victorians! weirdvintage: “No musty flavor…the only healthy beverage that. These are not hard and fast rules. too. when wrangled into hooped position. If your waist is 36 inches. like this: MORE COSTUME BLOGS: male pattern boldness Metallics for Men . at the top. and 4 on the bottom are the quarters . just some things to consider when planning your side-hooped ensembles. Remember. If your waist is 20 My Retro style wedding dress 1 hour ago OMG that dress! okay seriously tumblr needs to fix the reblog-to-thewrong-blog thing 1 hour ago Fuck Yeah. my bottom hoop will be 2 thirds added to two quarters. and that will help determine the length of your pannier hoops. (You will need to add the depth to this front/back measurement. 2. These parts are roughly equal to the width of your shoulders. to account for front and back. but too narrow and you may not be displaying yourself or your gown in the best way. For . I know that my pannier. Multiply each of these by two.these divide the hem of the skirt into four parts.. 3. EVEN MORE COSTUME BLOGS: Bunny's Vintage Victory Ask Bunny.

. 2013 at 3:31 PM However you arrive at the same idea.Auvergne March 16.sometimes.. thank you:) Reply Replies Lauren R March 17. and the myriad other incredible and creative ideas that we are so fortunate to benefit from? :) Reply Replies Lauren R March 17. proportional keys. and maybe the diff between this and the circumference of the waist could give a tracking proportion for the rest of the depths since they are all ovoid not circular? It could be the Robe a la Francaise Pi! (which as Paula . is probably somewhere between 2 and Pi) So. I am sure. do you ever sleep.. a couple of sticks or rulers held against the sides of your waist while someone measured the distance between them would do it. Undies 7 comments: Mona March 16.Posted by Lauren R at 10:30 AM 5 hours ago Recommend this on Google Labels: 1765 LACMA Sacque-ma. or do you just lay awake coming up with gorgeous shoes. thanks! I think I'm not gonna make one but this is very helpful when drawing 18th century fashion! Yay. costumes. So each box is waist divided by Pi. :) I wonder if mantua makers knew this or just eyeballed it. clothes. really helpful! Reply Paula March 16. Reply Replies Lauren R March 17... Tell me. 2013 at 3:30 PM Oh So Lovely Vintage It's Stef's birthday! 11 hours ago Folklore Fashion blogg Photo exhibitions and new releases.. 2013 at 2:06 PM As a math enthusiast I have to comment on your calculations.. 2013 at 3:32 PM I don't know if 18th century makers were using the math calculations. It's like the golden proportion in architecture. each layer as you go down would be its apparent width x RalF Pi. this is such a great revelation! To get the apparent width of the waist. photo shoots. but proportion. It's not half of your waist measurement but the diameter of your waist measurement (now assuming the waist is roughly a circle..). 2013 at 1:15 PM Great post. For a less circular approximation one could and probably should pick something between waist/Pi and waist/2 so the pannier doesn't end up being too narrow. Reply MrsC (Maryanne) March 17.. 2013 at 12:37 PM Wow..? I sleep. Research. 18th Century. converted by Web2PDFConvert.. I wonder if anything was published in surviving manuals. Reply Enter your comment. most certainly. 20 hours ago Lucy's Corsetry Corsets I’ve tried – in order of price range 1 day ago Show All Glad it is helpful! Reply Comtesse Olympe de la Tour D&#39. 2013 at 1:00 PM Lauren you have a fantastic eye. hehe. Comment as: Select profile.

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