True Position

Basics
NOTICE :

This presentation was given at the October 2007
Lunch N Learn at J&H Machine Tools in
Charlotte.
The presentation is meant to be viewed with the
narration and detailed explanation of the presenter.
True Position
Basics
Understanding True
Position
Part 1 : Grasping the Basics
True Position
Basics
2.000.01
1.000.01
The Part
True Position
Basics
2.000.01
1.000.01
The Tolerances
1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
True Position
Basics
1.99
2.01
0.99
1.01
The Tolerance Zone
Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
True Position
Basics
1.99
2.01
0.99
1.01
The Question Which Part is Better?
Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
True Position
Basics
0.99
1.01
Part 1 is within the tolerance zone,
but
Part 1 Center
1.99
2.01
True Position
Basics
0.99
1.01
Part 2 is closer to the Nominal Center and will
assemble easier than Part 1
Part 2 Center
1.99
2.01
True Position
Basics
How can we set up a tolerance band that
fairly and functionally judges the position
of features?
True Position
Basics
1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
Use a Circle instead of a Square!
True Position
Basics
Definition Time!!!
The result of a True Position Characteristic is the
diameter of a circle, centered on the basic
dimensions from the specified datums, that
contains the actual center point.
True Position
Basics
Mathematically Speaking.

True Position = X
2
+ Y
2
* 2


X = Difference from Basic X value from Actual X value
Y = Difference from Basic Y value from Actual Y value
True Position
Basics
2.00
1.00
New Part Print w/True Position
No Tolerances
0.01 A B C
A
B
C
True Position
Diametral Zone
Primary,
Secondary,
Tertiary Datums
Tolerance
True Position
Basics
2.00
1.00
Heres an Example Calculation
0.01 A B C
A
B
C
True Position
Basics
2.00
1.00
CAN WE SHIP IT?
0.01 A B C
A
B
C
Actual
Measurements
:
X=2.003
Y=1.004
True Position
Basics
Actual X = 2.003 Actual Y=1.004
Basic X=2.000 Basic Y=1.000
X = 0.003 Y = 0.004

TP = 0.003
2
+0.004
2
* 2 or
TP = 0.009+0.016 * 2 or
TP = 0.025 * 2 or
TP = .005 * 2 so..
True Position
Basics
True Position = 0.010

Hole Center
0.005 from
Nominal
True Position
Result = 0.010
Nominal Center at
X=2, Y=1 from Basic
Dimensions
True Position
Basics
2.00
1.00
0.01 A B C
A
B
C
Our True
Position is
within the
Specification.
Barely!
CAN WE SHIP IT? YES, WE CAN!
True Position
Basics
Lets do this very example in
Calypso and see if the math
works out!
True Position
Basics
True Position
Basics
This is a Theoretical
feature with X Y
coordinates placed
exactly at 2.003 and
1.004.
True Position
Basics
True Position
Basics
2.00
1.00
Same Print, this time a Real Part
0.01 A B C
A
B
C
True Position
Basics
On a Real Part:

X= 1.9619
Y= 1.0081
True Position
Basics
Actual X = 1.9619 Actual Y = 1.0081
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
X = -0.0381 Y = 0.0081

TP = -0.0381
2
+0.0081
2
* 2 or
TP = 0.0015+0.0001 * 2 or
TP = 0.0016 * 2 or
TP = .0390 * 2 so..
True Position
Basics
True Position = 0.0779

Hole Center
0.0390 from
Nominal
True Position
Result = 0.0779
Nominal Center at
X=2, Y=1 from Basic
Dimensions
True Position
Basics
True Position
Basics
Explanation Time!!!
The GD&T standard specifies that the
FUNCTIONAL center be used for
calculations. This means for a hole,
that the Maximum Inscribed fit be
used. Calypso does this automatically!
True Position
Basics
Lets see how this changes
things.
True Position
Basics
True Position
Basics
Watch out for
Outliers!
True Position
Basics
True Position
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Now that we have
that sorted out,
ONE MORE TIME!

X= 1.9504
Y= 1.0104
True Position
Basics
Actual X = 1.9504 Actual Y = 1.0104
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
X = -0.0496 Y = 0.0104

TP = -0.0496
2
+0.0104
2
* 2 or
TP = 0.0025+0.0001 * 2 or
TP = 0.0026 * 2 or
TP = .0507 * 2 so..
True Position
Basics
True Position = 0.1014

Hole Center
0.0507 from
Nominal
True Position
Result = 0.1014
Nominal Center at
X=2, Y=1 from Basic
Dimensions
True Position
Basics
True Position
Basics
So if True Position only gives me distance from center,
how do I know how to make my offsets?
ONE MORE THING..

You might say :
True Position
Basics
Turn on Additional Position
Result in the Characteristic
Settings Editor.
True Position
Basics
Understanding True
Position
Youve got Questions, We have answers.
Part 1 : Grasping the Basics