45th Parallel Trial Transcript Volume X

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE STATE OF OREGON
FOR THE COUNTY OF MALHEUR
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STATE OF OREGON,
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Plaintiff-Respondent,
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vs.
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Malheur County Trial Court

No. 12-09-4824C
CA A157405
WILLIAM JAMES ESBENSEN, III,
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Defendant-Appellant.
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VOLUME X
VERDICTS OF COURT AS TO DEFENDANT KANGAS

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Fo r C
o u n t 44,, II ffind
i n d yyou
o u gguilty.
u i l t y.
For
Count
C o u n t 55,, II ffind
i n d yyou
o u gguilty.
u i l t y.
Count
A n d oon
n C
o u n t 99,, II ffind
i n d yyou
o u gguilty.
u i l t y . So,
S o , II need
n e e d to
to
II ttold
old
And
Count
t h e defendants
d e f e n d a n t s that
t h a t generally
g e n e r a l l y when
w h e n II find
f i n d someone
s o m e o n e gguilty
u i l t y they
they
the
w o u l d ggo
o tto
o jjail;
a i l ; bbut
u t aafterwards
f t e r w a r d s I was
w a s tthinking
h i n k i n g oof,
f , um,
um, w
e l l ffirst
irst
would
well
o f aall
l l I need
n e e d to
t o know
know w
h a t tthe
h e sstate
tate w
ants.
of
what
wants.
MR.
MR. D
DUGAN:
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor...
onor...
THE C
O U R T : DDo
o yyou
o u wwant
a n t mme
e t otot take
a k e tthem
h e m iinto
n t o ccustody
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THE
COURT:
a t this
t h i s time?
time?
at
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MR. D
U G A N : TThis
h i s iis
sM
ike D
u g a n aand
n d II'm
m oon
n tthe
h e phone
phone
MR.
DUGAN:
Mike
Dugan
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a n d II hhave
ave w
r i t t e n some
s o m e memorandums
m e m o r a n d u m s oof
f llaw
a w tthat
h a t II ssubmitted
u b m i t t e d in
in
and
written
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t w o pprevious
r e v i o u s ccases
a s e s which
w h i c h eessentially
s s e n t i a l l y say
s a y that
t h a t the
t h e RICO
R I C O ooffense
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two
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t h e y sshould
h o u l d bbe
e cclassified
l a s s i f i e d as
a s category
c a t e g o r y 8's.
8 ' s . The
T h e delivery
d e l i v e r y of
of
they
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m a r i j u a n a for
f o r consideration
c o n s i d e r a t i o n is
i saa category
c a t e g o r y4.
4 . Uh,
U h , RICO
R I C O is
is
marijuana
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u n c l a s s i f i e d . These
T h e s e were
w e r e commercial
c o m m e r c i a l offenses.
o f f e n s e s . The
T h e amount
a m o u n t of
of
unclassified.
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m a r i j u a n a exceeded
e x c e e d e d the
t h e amount
a m o u n t that
t h a t was
was
tthat
h a t should
s h o u l d be
b e aallowed
llowed
marijuana
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u n d e r ccategory
a t e g o r y 66.. T
h e r e s no
n o question
q u e s t i o n that
t h a t this
t h i s was
w a s commercial.
commercial.
under
There's
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W e bbelieve
e l i e v e iit's
t s aa category
c a t e g o r y 88 and
a n d II would
w o u l d ask
a s k the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o remand
remand
We
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t h e defendants
d e f e n d a n t s to
t o custody
c u s t o d y ppending
e n d i n g ssentencing.
entencing.
the
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THE C
O U R T : CCan
a n yyou
o u t etell
l l mme
e i if
f t the
h e oother
t h e r ddefendants
e f e n d a n t s in
in
THE
COURT:
t h e s e cases,
c a s e s , um,
u m , have
h a v e they
t h e y been
b e e n remanded?
remanded?
these
MR. D
U G A N : TThey
h e y hhave
a v e nnot.
o t . SSentencing
e n t e n c i n g hhas
a s bbeen
e e n sset
e t for
for
MR.
DUGAN:
K e r r y and
a n d Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n on
o n June
J u n e 24t
2 4 t hh .
Kerry
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THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d eeveryone
v e r y o n e eelse
l s e hhas
a s bbeen
e e n ssentenced?
entenced?
THE
COURT:
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MR. D
U G A N : UUh,
h , n no,
o , t hthere's
e r e s sstill
t i l l some
s o m e pending
pending
MR.
DUGAN:
DISCUSSION ON SENTENCING
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s e n t e n c e s for
f o r Mitch
M i t c h Rowland,
R o w l a n d , um,
u m , and
a n d I tthink
h i n k everybody
e v e r y b o d y eelse
l s e has
has
sentences
b e e n ssentenced.
entenced.
been
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , II...
...
THE C
OURT: U
m, M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Um,
Ms.
Gerber.
MS.
GERBER:
Your
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
o u r HHonor.
o n o r . FFirst
i r s t ooff aall
ll
regarding
iitt w
a s n t charged
c h a r g e d as
a s a commercial
c o m m e r c i a l drug
d r u g ooffense.
ffense. I
regarding
wasn't
t h i n k that's
t h a t s irrelevant.
i r r e l e v a n t .I Ithink
t h i n kthey
t h e yhave
h a v e to
t o charge
c h a r g e it
i t as
a s such
s u c h and
and
think
p r o v i d e the
t h e enhancement
e n h a n c e m e n t factors,
f a c t o r s , but
b u t most
m o s t immediately
i m m e d i a t e l y for
f o r my
my
provide
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c l i e n t and
a n d for
f o r Mr.
M r . Kangas,
K a n g a s , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , II would
w o u l d ask
a s k they
t h e y be
be
client
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r e l e a s e d pending
p e n d i n g aappeal.
ppeal.
released
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U m , iiff yyou
o u aask
sk M
r. D
u g a n wwhat
h a t tthe
h e ssentence
e n t e n c e tthat
h a t was
was
Um,
Mr.
Dugan
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g o i n g tto
o bbe
e ssuggested
u g g e s t e d ffor
o r tthe
h e ppeople
e o p l e tthat
hat w
e r e rreleased
e l e a s e d aafter
fter
going
were
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t r i a l , um,
u m , it
i t was
w a s ssignificantly
i g n i f i c a n t l y less
l e s s than
t h a n what
w h a t tthey're
h e y r e asking
a s k i n g for
for
trial,
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my
m y cclient.
l i e n t . II tthink
h i n k iit's
t s aa trial
t r i a l tax,
t a x ,more
m o r e or
o r less,
l e s s , not
n o t from
f r o m Your
Your
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H o n o r , bbut
u t II'm
m ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t iiff everybody
l s e iis
s ttreated
reated a
a ccertain
ertain
Honor,
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w a y ; uunder
n d e r tthe
h e eequal
q u a l pprotection
r o t e c t i o n clause
c l a u s e my
m y cclient
l i e n t should
s h o u l d be
b e as
as
way;
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w e l l and
a n d II w
o u l d rrespectfully
e s p e c t f u l l y ask
a s k you,
y o u , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , tto
o pplease
lease
well
would
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r e l e a s e my
m y cclient,
l i e n t , pending
p e n d i n g appeal.
a p p e a l . We
We w
i l l ffile
ile a
a bbrief
r i e f during
during
release
will
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s e n t e n c i n g if
i f you
y o u sset
e t iitt over,
o v e r , which
w h i c h II'm
m expecting
e x p e c t i n g you
yo u w
ill, I
sentencing
will,
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hope.
hope.
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A n d iif
f yyou
o u ccould
o u l d pplease
l e a s e rrelease
e l e a s e them
t h e m ppending
e n d i n g aappeal,
ppeal,
And
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c e r t a i n l y pending
p e n d i n g sentencing,
s e n t e n c i n g , II would
w o u l d ask
a s k you
y o u to
t o do
d o tthat
h a t jjust
ust
certainly
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b a s e d oon
n eevery
v e r y oother
t h e r cco-defendant
o - d e f e n d a n t rreceiving
e c e i v i n g tthe
h e pplea
l e a ooffers
f f e r s they
they
based
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r e c e i v e d ; but
b u t the
t h e fact
f a c t that
t h a t the
t h e two
t w o other
o t h e r co-defendants
c o - d e f e n d a n t s who
w h o went
went
received;
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t o trial
t r i a l are
a r e at
a t home
h o m e right
r i g h t now.
now.
to
MR.
DUGAN:
Well,
Your
Honor,
MR. D
UGAN: W
ell, Y
our H
o n o r , tthis
h i s is
i s Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan
a g a i n , um,
u m , tthey
h e y ccall
a l l it
i t a plea
p l e a offer
o f f e r and
a n d a pplea
l e a bargain
b a r g a i n because
b e c a u s e the
the
again,
d e f e n d a n t who
w h o eenters
n t e r s into
i n t o the
t h e plea
p l e a bargain
b a r g a i n gets
g e t s aa deal.
d e a l . Um,
U m , and
a n d iiff
defendant
y o u ddon't
o n t get
g e t a deal
d e a l Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n jjust
u s t ggot
o t cconvicted
o n v i c t e d of
o f tthree
hree
you
Esbensen
Class A
A ffelonies
e l o n i e s and
a n d I think
t h i n k 99 Class
Class
oor
r 88 C
lass B
elonies.
Class
Class
B ffelonies.
The R
I C O iis
s aan
n uunclassified
n c l a s s i f i e d ffelony.
e l o n y . The
T h e court
c o u r t has
h a s to
to
The
RICO
m a k e aa cclassification
l a s s i f i c a t i o n under
u n d e r the
t h e guidelines.
g u i d e l i n e s . Uh,
U h , under
u n d e r the
the
make
g u i d e l i n e s the
t h e court
c o u r t can
c a n look
l o o k at,
a t , and
a n d I don't
d o n t have
h a v e the
the
w
e ddidn't
idnt
guidelines
we
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h a v e tto
o ffile
i l e any
a n y aallegation
l l e g a t i o n about
a b o u t commercial
c o m m e r c i a l offenses
o f f e n s e s or
o r any
a n y of
of
have
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t h a t sort
s o r t of
o f stuff
s t u f f because
b e c a u s e the
t h e court
c o u r t has
h a s to
t o make
m a k e tthe
h e ffinding,
i n d i n g , and
a n d it
it
that
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w i l l not
n o t be
b e ooverturned
v e r t u r n e d on
o n aappeal
p p e a l iiff tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t makes
m a k e s tthe
h e sspecific
pecific
will
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ffinding
i n d i n g tthat
h a t ssupports
u p p o r t s tthe
h e cclassification.
l a s s i f i c a t i o n . Um,
U m , and
a n d tthat's
h a t s what
w h a t the
the
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llaw
a w iis.
s.
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THE
COURT:
more
THE C
O U R T : I It think
h i n k wwhat
h a t II'm
m m
o r e iinterested
n t e r e s t e d in
in
uh,
uh,
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y o u rreferred
e f e r r e d to
t o the
t h e Rhoan
R h o a n bbrothers,
r o t h e r s , um,
u m , Ms.
Ms. G
e r b e r rreferred
e f e r r e d to
to
you
Gerber
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t h e fact
f a c t that
t h a t they
t h e y are
a r e not
n o t in
i n custody.
c u s t o d y . What
W h a t were
w e r e tthey
h e y cconvicted
onvicted
the
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of?
of?
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MR. D
U G A N : TThey
h e y wwere
e r e cconvicted
o n v i c t e d of
of
ssee,
ee, K
erry
MR.
DUGAN:
Kerry
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Rhoan w
a s cconvicted
o n v i c t e d ooff oone
n e ccount
o u n t oof
f ddelivery
e l i v e r y aand
n d tthree
h r e e counts
c o u n t s of
of
Rhoan
was
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RICO. K
elly R
hoan w
a s cconvicted
o n v i c t e d ooff oone
n e ccount
o u n t ooff ddelivery
e l i v e r y and
and
RICO.
Kelly
Rhoan
was
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t w o ccounts
o u n t s of
of R
I C O , aand
nd w
a s aacquitted
c q u i t t e d oon
n tthe
h e cconspiracy
o n s p i r a c y to
to
two
RICO,
was
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c o m m i t RICO.
RICO.
commit
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THE
COURT:
Okay.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
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MR. D
U G A N : MMr.
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n aalso
l s o hhas
a s aapprior
r i o r ccriminal
riminal
MR.
DUGAN:
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h i st o ry.
history.
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3
MS. G
E R B E R : J Judge,
u d g e , IIwwould
o u l d oobject
b j e c t t to
o t that;
h a t ; iit's
t s over
o v e r 20
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MS.
GERBER:
y e a r s oold.
ld.
years
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5
MR.
DUGAN:
MR. D
U G A N : TThat
h a t sstill
t i l l aapplies
p p l i e s in
i n any
a n y type
t y p e of
of
guidelines.
guidelines.
MS. G
E R B E R : I It
t ddoesn't.
oesnt.
MS.
GERBER:
MR. D
U G A N : AAnd
n d i t it's
s s still
t i l l aaffact
a c t tthat
h a t hhe's
e s got
g o t tthe
h e pprior
rior
MR.
DUGAN:
c r i m i n a l hhistory
i s t o r y oof...
f...
criminal
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : TThat's
h a t s aabsolutely...
b so l u t e l y. . .
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MR. D
U G A N : . ....violation
. v i o l a t i o n oof
f tthe
h e ccontrolled
o n t r o l l e d ssubstance
ubstance
MR.
DUGAN:
act.
act.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWell,
e l l , l olook,
o k , bbefore
e f o r e wwe
e pproceed
r o c e e d ffurther.
u r t h e r . II'm
m
THE
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g o i n g tto
o hhear
e a r iit.
t . The
T h e ffact
a c t tthat
h a t it's
i t s on
o n there
t h e r e
now,
n o w , tthe
h e ffact
a c t that
that
going
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i t s 20
2 0 years
y e a r s old
o l d may
m a y mean
m e a n II ggive
i v e nno
ow
e i g h t tto
o iit,
t , bbut
u t iitt is
i s a ffact
act
it's
weight
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II'm
m going
g o i n g to
t o hear.
h e a r . So
S o overruled
o v e r r u l e d that,
t h a t , go
g o ahead
a h e a d Mr.
M r . Dugan.
Dugan.
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MR. D
U G A N : WWell,
e l l , aagain,
g a i n , hhe
e hhas
a s aapprior
r i o r cconviction
o n v i c t i o n for
for
MR.
DUGAN:
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a vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f the
t h e controlled
c o n t r o l l e d substance
s u b s t a n c e act,
a c t , um,
u m , and
a n d I think
t h i n k that
that
a
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t h a t just
j u s t demonstrates
d e m o n s t r a t e s his
h i s continued
c o n t i n u e d willingness
w i l l i n g n e s s to
t o violate
v i o l a t e the
the
that
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llaw.
aw. A
s hhe
e ttestified
e s t i f i e d iin
n ccourt,
o u r t , hhe's
e s got
g o t another
a n o t h e r contract
c o n t r a c t or
or
As
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( I N A U D I B L E ) tto
o oopen
pen m
o r e ddispensaries.
i s p e n s a r i e s . Um,
U m , now
n o w maybe
m a yb e
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more
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m a y b e tthey
h e y ccan
a n ddo
o tthat
h a t bbut
u t uunder
n d e r hhis
i s ccriminal
r i m i n a l convictions
c o n v i c t i o n s now
n o w he
he
maybe
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w i l l not
n o t be
b e able
a b l e to
t o do
d o tthat.
h a t . Um,
U m , aagain,
g a i n , I believe
b e l i e v e this
t h i s to
t o be
b e aa
will
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c a t e g o r y 8.
8 . The
T h e ccourt
o u r t could
could
tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t ccould
o u l d cclassify
l a s s i f y it
i t as
a s aa
category
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category 1
1 11oon
n t hthe
e gguidelines.
u i d e l i n e s . RRICO's
I C O s uunclassified.
n c l a s s i f i e d . Um...
Um...
category
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THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
l r i g h t , ookay.
k a y . Mr.
Mr. K
i yun a .
THE
COURT:
Kiyuna.
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MR.
KIYUNA:
Could
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , t thank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
udge. C
o u l d II rremain
emain
seated?
seated?
THE C
O U R T : PPlease.
lease.
THE
COURT:
MR.
KIYUNA:
Um,
well
well
MR. K
I Y U N A : TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou. U
m, w
e l l Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan
w
ell
he m
e n t i o n e d the
t h e Rhoan
R h o a n case
c a s e and
a n d ssubmitting
u b m i t t i n g aa legal
l e g a l memorandum
memorandum
he
mentioned
o r aa m
emoranda w
i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o ssentencing.
e n t e n c i n g . Um,
U m , II ddon't
o n t know,
know,
or
memoranda
with
ffirst
i r s t of
o f all,
a l l , that
t h a t that
t h a t applies
a p p l i e sto
t o our
o u r cases
c a s e s here.
h e r e . II don't
d o n t
to
t o be
be
h o n e s t , I don't
dont
I ddon't
o n t know
k n o w if
i f one
one w
a s aactually
c t u a l l y filed
f i l e d in
i n our
our
honest,
was
c a s e . Um,
U m , bbut
u t tthe
h e tthing
h i n g aabout
b o u t iitt iiss hhe
e ccan't
a n t argue
a r g u e for
f o r aa category
category 8
8
case.
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d r u g ooffense
f f e n s e when
w h e n tthe
h e tthing
hing w
a s n t even
e v e n plead.
p l e a d . It
I t was
was
commercial
wasn't
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n o t pplead
l e a d aatt all.
a l l . There
T h e r e was
w a s nno
o aallegation
l l e g a t i o n with
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
to
not
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s u b s t a n t i a l quantity
q u a n t i t yor
o r you
y o u know,
k n o w , any
a n y of
o f tthose
h o s e things.
t h i n g s . So
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substantial
13
he m
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a t e g o r y 44,, uum,
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hat.
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14
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h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g is
i s unclassified
u n c l a s s i f i e dand
a n dyou
y o u know
k n o w you
y o u look
look
Obviously
15
t o tthe
h e ppredicates
r e d i c a t e s for
f o r where
w h e r e you
y o u ggo
o w
i t h tthat,
h a t , aand,
nd, w
ell, w
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to
with
well,
we're
16
llooking
o o k i n g at
at
w
e r e looking
l o o k i n g at
a t category
c a t e g o r y 4,
4 , um,
u m , at
a t best.
b e s t . So,
S o , you
yo u
we're
17
k n o w , iinsofar
n s o f a r as
a s that,
t h a t , um,
u m , well
w e l l you
y o u know
k n o w yyou're
o u r e stuck
s t u c k with
w i t h aa
know,
18
c a t e g o r y 4.
4.
category
19
A s iindicated
n d i c a t e d Mr.
M r . Rhoan
Rhoan
w
e l l I should
should
tthere
h e r e are
a r e two
two
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well
20
Mr.
Mr. R
Rhoans.
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rials
21
a n d were
w e r e cconvicted,
o n v i c t e d , they
t h e y are
a r e
they
t h e y were
were
w
e r e aand
n d aare
r e out
o u t of
of
and
were
22
j a i l , still
s t i l lawaiting
a w a i t i n gsentencing.
s e n t e n c i n g .I Idon't
d o n see
t s e eany
a n yreason
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w h y
why
why
jail,
23
Mr. K
angas w
o u l d bbe
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n y ddifferently.
i f f e r e n t l y . My
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l i e n t , Raymond
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Mr.
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would
24
K a n g a s , hhas
a s nno
o ccriminal
r i m i n a l hhistory.
i st o ry. U
m , hhe's
e s nnever
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Kangas,
Um,
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ffor
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n y t i m e . He
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1815
1
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h o m e ; he
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h a s a job
job
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t h e r e . Uh,
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t o be
b e going
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a n ywh e re .
there.
1816
U m , II tthink
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lso
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n o t . Um,
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with
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Ms. G
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e n t i o n e d rrelease
e l e a s e pending
p e n d i n g appeal.
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w e l l to
t o make
m a k e a longer
l o n g e r story
s t o r y short
short
10
a t this
t h i s point,
p o i n t , um,
u m , you
y o u know
k n o w tthere's
h e r e s aa lot
l o t to
t o be
b e briefed
b r i e f e d and
a n d argued
argued
at
11
i n terms
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f that.
that.
in
12
U m , sso
o II,, you
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k n o w , ddefendants
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w
e l l , II represent
r e p r e s e n t Mr.
Mr.
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13
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t h e other
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14
d e f e n d a n t s aand
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15
THE
COURT:
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THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
l r i g h t , t thank
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m , II'm
m nnot
o t tthe
h e other
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16
j u d g e . I don't
d o n t know
k n o w what
w h a t was
w a s iin
n that
t h a t judge's
j u d g e s mind.
m i n d . II am
a m going
g o i n g to
to
judge.
17
r e m a n d yyou.
ou. W
e l l sset
e t tthis
h i s for
f o r sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g aand
n d II'll
l l have
h a v e the
t h e docket
docket
remand
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18
c l e r k from
f r o m Malheur
Malheur C
o u n t y sset
e t uup
p aa ttime
i m e with
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t h e docketing
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clerk
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19
ffrom
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20
r e m a n d e d tto
o tthe
h e ssheriff
h e r i f f at
a t this
t h i s time.
t i m e . Thank
T h a n k you.
yo u .
remanded
21
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , ccan
a n II m
a k e aa record?
record?
MS.
GERBER:
make
22
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou
o u vvery
e r y much.
much.
23
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , ddo
o yyou
o u mmind
i n d i if
f II jjust
u s t make
make a
a quick
quick
MS.
GERBER:
24
25
r e c o r d regarding
r e g a r d i n g that?
that?
record
THE C
OURT: C
a n yyou
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what?
THE
COURT:
Can
DEFENDANTS REMANDED INTO CUSTODY

1
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THE
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E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
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o n o r . UUm,
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THE
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second.
10
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E R B E R : YYeah,
e a h , II wwas
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o tthe
h e ppoint.
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GERBER:
11
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : TThis
h i s i sist the
h e i issue
s s u e aat
t tthis
h i s ttime
i m e aafter
f t e r they
they
THE
12
h a v e bbeen
e e n ffound
o u n d gguilty.
u i l t y.
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13
MS.
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MS. G
ERBER: R
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14
THE C
O U R T : PPrior
r i o r tto
o tthey've
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a l w a y s been
been
had
h a d the
the
THE
COURT:
15
p r e s u m p t i o n of
o f innocent.
i n n o c e n t . I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o have
h a v e them
t h e m bbe
e rreleased
eleased
presumption
16
a t this
t h i s time.
t i m e . It
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at
17
t o hhave
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e o p l e rreleased
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b e e n found
f o u n d cconvicted
o n v i c t e d uuntil
ntil
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18
s e n t e n c i n g . So,
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w e r e going
g o i n g to
t o just
just
II ddon't
o n t need
n e e d to
t o hear
h e a r that
that
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19
piece...
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20
MS.
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Okay.
k a y.
21
THE C
O U R T : . ...because
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THE
COURT:
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22
m a n y ttimes
i m e s oon
n tthe
h e rrecord
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h u s far.
f a r . So
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we w
i l l have
h a v e the
t h e trial
trial
the
the
many
will
23
s e n t e n c i n g date
d a t e scheduled
s c h e d u l e d and
and w
e l l get
g e t that
t h a t taken
t a k e n care
c a r e of.
o f . So
So
sentencing
we'll
24
t h a n k you,
y o u , sso
o yyou're
o u r e remanded
r e m a n d e d at
a t this
t h i s time.
t i m e . Bye.
Bye .
thank
25
*************
***********
1817
PRELIMINARIES
1
MR.
DUGAN:
Morning.
MR. D
UGAN: M
orning.
MR.
KIYUNA:
Morning.
MR. K
IYUNA: M
orning.
MS. G
ERBER: M
orning Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
Morning
Your
Honor.
THE C
OURT: W
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r e t ataking
k i n g uup
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he m
a t t e r oof
f SState
t a t e of
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COURT:
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a n g a s iin
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Malheur
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s b e n s e n , III,
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a g a i n in
i n Malheur
M a l h e u r County,
C o u n t y , in
i n case
case
William
Esbensen,
n u m b e r 11 22-0
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o u n t y ffor
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f ssentencing
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10
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o n June
June 6
6 th,
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2 0 1 4 II ssigned
i g n e d vverdicts
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n a multi-day
multi-day
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11
b e n c h ttrial
r i a l that
t h a t was
w a s held
h e l d in
i n Malheur
M a l h e u r County
C o u n t y that
t h a t II was
w a s down
d o w n at.
at.
bench
12
A n d ttoday's
o d a y s tthe
h e time
t i m e set
s e t for
f o r sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g so
s o I want
w a n t to
t o explain
e x p l a i n to
to
And
13
e ve ryo ne w
h a t II w
o u l d llike
i k e to
t o do.
do.
everyone
what
would
14
1818
Because C
o u n t s 11 aand
n d 22 ddeal
eal w
i t h rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g aand
n d iitt is
is
Because
Counts
with
15
a n unranked
u n r a n k e d ffelony,
e l o n y , I have
h a v e to
t o determine
d e t e r m i n e the
t h e crime
c r i m e category
c a t e g o r y and
and
an
16
s t a t e on
o n the
t h e record
r e c o r d the
t h e reasons
r e a s o n s for
f o r the
t h e offense
o f f e n s e classification.
c l a s s i f i c a t i o n . So
So
state
17
w h a t II eexpect
x p e c t tto
o do
d o is
i s to,
t o , um,
u m , proceed
p r o c e e d as
a s follows.
f o l l o w s . II would
w o u l d like
l i k e to
to
what
18
h e a r from
f r o m tthe
h e state
s t a t e first
f i r s t on
o n its
i t s sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g recommendations
r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s for
for
hear
19
Mr. E
s b e n s e n ; aand
n d tthen
h e n for
f o r Mr.
M r . Kangas.
Kangas. A
f t e r I hear
h e a r from
f r o m the
the
Mr.
Esbensen;
After
20
s t a t e then
t h e n I'd
I d like
l i k e to
t ohear
h e a rfrom
f r o m Ms.
M s . Gerber
G e r b e r on
o n behalf
b e h a l f of
o f Mr.
Mr.
state
21
E
s b e n s e n , and
a n d then
t h e n Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a on
o n behalf
b e h a l f of
o f Mr.
M r . Kangas.
Kangas.
Esbensen,
22
w o u l d eexpect
x p e c t it
i t would
w o u l d take
t a k e maybe
m a y b e 20
2 0 minutes
m i n u t e s for
f o r the
the
II would
23
s t a t e and
a n d 20
2 0 minutes
m i n u t e s ffor
o r eeach
a c h oof
f tthe
h e attorneys
a t t o r n e y s tto
o lay
l a y out
o u t their
their
state
24
argument. A
f t e r tthat
h a t II intend
i n t e n d on
o n taking
t a k i n g a break
b r e a k and
a n d review
r e v i e w what's
whats
argument.
After
25
b e e n ttold
o l d to
t o me
m e so
s o that
t h a t II can
c a n make
make a
a decision
d e c i s i o n as
a s to
t o how
h o w to
to
been
PRELIMINARIES
PRELIMINARIES
1
c l a s s i f y the
t h e racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g charges
c h a r g e s and
a n d be
b e prepared
p r e p a r e d to
t o set
s e t forth
f o r t h my
my
classify
r e a s o n s ffor
o r tthe
h e cclassifications
l a s s i f i c a t i o n s on
o n the
t h e record.
r e c o r d . After
A f t e r that
t h a t II plan
p l a n on
on
reasons
d o i n g tthe
h e ssentencing.
entencing.
doing
e e d tto
o m
a k e ssure
u r e eeveryone
v e r y o n e iis
s aaware
w a r e oof
f tthe
h e ffact
a c t tthat
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I nneed
make
h a v e rreceived
e c e i v e d assessments
a s s e s s m e n t s from
f r o m the
t h e Malheur
C o u n t y Parole
Parole &
&
have
P r o b a t i o n office
o f f i c e on
o n both
b o t h Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s aand
nd M
r . EEsbensen.
s b e n s e n . II've
v e also
also
Probation
Mr.
r e c e i v e d aa sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g memorandum
m e m o r a n d u m from
f r o m tthe
h e state;
s t a t e ; and
a n d II have
have
received
r e c e i v e d aa letter
l e t t e r from
f r o m Mr.
M r . Lee
L e e Burger
B u r g e r on
o n bbehalf
e h a l f of
o f Mr.
Mr. E
sbensen,
received
Esbensen,
t h a t II also
a l s o gave
g a v e aa copy
c o p y of
o f to
t o Mr.
M r . Kiyuna.
K i y u n a . And
And M
r. D
u g a n , II ttake
a k e it
it
that
Mr.
Dugan,
10
y o u hhave
a v e rreceived
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a ccopy
o p y oof
f tthat
h a t aalso?
lso?
you
11
MR. D
U G A N : II hhave
ave Y
our H
onor.
MR.
DUGAN:
Your
Honor.
12
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . AAs
s I Il olooked
o k e d aat
t t the
h e ccopy
o p y I Ij just
u s t ddidn't
idnt
THE
COURT:
13
s e e Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a oon
n tthere
h e r e and
a n d so
s o I wanted
w a n t e d to
t o make
m a k e sure
s u r e he
h e had
had a
see
14
c o p y oof
f iit.
t . SSo,
o , iis
s tthere
h e r e aanything
n y t h i n g eelse
l s e tthat's
h a t s been
b e e n filed
f i l e d that
t h a t II need
need
copy
15
t o be
b e aaware
w a r e oof
fw
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o tthe
h e ssentencing?
entencing?
to
with
16
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , t the
h e sstate
t a t e hhas
a s nnot
o t ffiled
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MR.
DUGAN:
17
a n y t h i n g additional.
a d d i t i o n a l . Uh,
U h , we
w e do
d o hhave
a v e ssome
o m e aadditional
d d i t i o n a l evidence
evidence
anything
18
t h a t I'd
I d like
l i k eto
t oput
p u ton
o n today
t o d a y but
b u t we
w e can
c a n do
d o that
t h a t after
a f t e r we
w e do
d o the
the
that
19
a r g u m e n t s oon
n ccategory
a t e g o r y oof
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m , aand
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20
t h e value
v a l u e of
o f property
p r o p e r t y that
t h a t Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n owns,
o w n s , um,
u m , both
b o t h here
h e r e and
and
the
21
i n IIdaho;
d a h o ; and
a n d II tthink
h i n k that
t h a t goes
g o e s for
f o r the
t h e ability
a b i l i t y for
f o r him
h i m to
t o make
make
in
22
p a y m e n t s oon
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i n e s or
o r ffees
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i m p o s e d by
b y tthe
h e ccourt.
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payments
23
24
25
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAlright.
lright. M
s . GGerber,
erber, w
a s tthere
h e r e aanything
nyt h i n g
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t h a t you
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n e e d to
t o have?
have?
that
MS. G
ERBER: N
o, Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
No,
Your
Honor.
PRELIMINARIES
1819
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Kiyuna?
THE C
OURT: M
r. K
iyu n a ?
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , nno,
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MR.
KIYUNA:
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k a y. G
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e c o n d . Okay,
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Mr.
THE
COURT:
Give
me
4
5
6
Dugan.
Dugan.
ARGUMENT F
OR T
HE P
E T I T I O N E R BY
B Y MICHAEL
M I C H A E L DUGAN
DUGAN
ARGUMENT
FOR
THE
PETITIONER
MR. D
U G A N : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
o n o r . You
Y o u have
have
MR.
DUGAN:
Your
Honor.
r e c e i v e d , of
o f course,
c o u r s e , the
t h e sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g memoranda
m e m o r a n d a that
t h a t I submitted
submitted
received,
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o the
t h e category
c a t e g o r y
cclassification
l a s s i f i c a t i o n of
o f the
t h e RICO
RICO
with
allegations.
allegations.
10
A s tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t ppointed
o i n t e d oout
u t tthey
h e y aare
r e uunclassified,
n c l a s s i f i e d , um,
u m , on
on
As
11
t h e sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g guidelines.
g u i d e l i n e s . There
T h e r e was
w a s aa memo
m e m o ssubmitted...
ubmitted...
the
12
THE C
O U R T : YYou
o u ccan
a n ggo
o aahead
h e a d aand
n d sstay
t a y sseated.
eated.
THE
COURT:
13
MR. D
U G A N : OOkay.
k a y . TThere
here w
a s aa m
emo, Y
our H
onor,
MR.
DUGAN:
was
memo,
Your
Honor,
14
s u b m i t t e d in
i n aa rrelated
e l a t e d case
c a s e tthat's
h a t s set
s e t for
f o r sentencing
s e n t e n c i n g tomorrow
t o m o r r o w by
by
submitted
15
W i l l i a m Perkinson
P e r k i n s o n who
w h o aargues
r g u e s tthat,
h a t , um,
u m , categorizing
c a t e g o r i z i n g the
t h e RICO
R I C O at
at
William
16
a n y t h i n g other
o t h e r than
t h a n aa category
c a t e g o r y 44 would
w o u l d be
b e aa vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f both
both
anything
17
C
r a w f o r d and
a n d tthe
h e rrecent
e c e n t United
U n i t e d States
S t a t e s Supreme
S u p r e m e Court
C o u r t ccase,
ase,
Crawford
18
A l l e y n e v.
v . United
U n i t e d SStates.
tates.
Alleyne
19
A n d hhe's
e s mistaken
m i s t a k e n in
i n tthat
h a t because
b e c a u s e what
w h a t tthe
h e ffederal
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And
20
c o u r t s have
h a v e said
s a i d and
a n d aass aapplies
p p l i e s to
to C
r a w f o r d and
a n d oother
t h e r cases
cases
courts
Crawford
21
r e l a t e d there
t h e r e too,
t o o , is
i s that
t h a t when
w h e n the
t h e court
c o u r t is
i s making
m a k i n g a ddecision
e c i s i o n as
as
related
22
t o hhow
o w tto
o cclassify
l a s s i f y aa pparticular
a r t i c u l a r ffelony
e l o n y tthat
h a t iis
s uunclassified,
n c l a s s i f i e d , uh,
u h , iiff
to
23
t h e court
c o u r t is
i s going
g o i n g to
t o impose
i m p o s e a ssentence
e n t e n c e greater
g r e a t e r than
t h a n the
t h e maximum
maximum
the
24
s e n t e n c e allowed
a l l o w e d under
u n d e r the
t h e law
l a w then
t h e n that
t h a t would
w o u l d be
b e aa rrequirement
equirement
sentence
25
o f aa jjury
u r y ffinding,
i n d i n g , uh,
u h , before
b e f o r e you
y o u can
c a n exceed
e x c e e d the
t h e maximum
m a x i m u m ppenalty
enalty
of
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1820
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
2
t h a t s provided.
provided.
that's
I n tthis
h i s pparticular
a r t i c u l a r case,
c a s e , as
a s the
t h e court
c o u r t knows,
k n o w s , rracketeering
acketeering
In
is a C
lass A
A ffelony.
e l o n y . As
A s aa C
lass A
e l o n y , tthe
h e maximum
m a x i m u m ssentence
entence
is
Class
Class
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a l l o w e d under
u n d e r Oregon
O r e g o n llaw
a w iis
s 220
0 yyears
e a r s iin
n pprison
r i s o n aand,
n d , ooff ccourse,
ourse,
allowed
t h e large
l a r g e fine.
f i n e . By
B y cclassifying
l a s s i f y i n g this
t h i s at
a t any
a n y level
l e v e l on
o n tthe
h e ssentencing
entencing
the
guidelines
Mr.
g u i d e l i n e s with
with M
r . EEsbensen's
s b e n s e n s pprior
r i o r ccriminal
r i m i n a l history,
h i s t o r y , uh,
u h , there
there
i s no
n o ooption
p t i o n for
f o r the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o exceed
e x c e e d the
t h e maximum
m a x i m u m ppenalty
e n a l t y as
as
is
i m p o s e d by
b y llaw
a w ooff 220
0 yyears.
ears.
imposed
Uh, w
hat w
e aare
r e aasking
s k i n g tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t tto
o ddo
o iis
s ccategorize
a t e g o r i z e tthis
his
Uh,
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we
10
as a
a ccategory
a t e g o r y 8.
8 . Um,
U m , II've
v e set
s e t that
t h a t out
o u t in
i nmy
m y memorandum
m e m o r a n d u m and
a n d the
the
as
11
u n d e r l y i n g reason
r e a s o n for
for a
a ccategory
a t e g o r y 88 iis
s bbecause
e c a u s e tthis
his w
a s sstrictly
trictly
underlying
was
12
speaking a
a ccommercial
o m m e r c i a l ooffense;
f f e n s e ; not
n o t only
o n l y iin
n tthe
h e ssense
e n s e tthat
h a t they
they
speaking
13
a c q u i r e d more
m o r e than
than 1
1 110
0 ggrams
r a m s oof
f mmarijuana
a r i j u a n a oon
n sseveral
e v e r a l ooccasions
ccasions
acquired
14
a n d they
t h e y sold
s o l d more
m o r e than
t h a n 11 1100ggrams
r a m s oof
f mmarijuana
a r i j u a n a oon
n sseveral
everal
and
15
o c c a s i o n s , but
b u t they
t h e y had
h a d more
m o r e than
t h a n the
t h e minimum
m i n i m u m amount
a m o u n t of
o f money
money
occasions,
16
t h a t is
i s required
r e q u i r e d under
u n d e r the
t h e category
c a t e g o r y for
f o r commercial
c o m m e r c i a l ooffenses.
ffenses.
that
17
U m , iif
f iit's
t s aa commercial
d r u g ooffense
f f e n s e iitt iis
s ccategorized
ategorized
Um,
18
a s aa ccategory
a t e g o r y 88 iin
n ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g gguidelines.
u i d e l i n e s . IIf
f iit's
t s just
j u s t simply
s i m p l y aa
as
19
d e l i v e r y ooff ccontrolled
u b s t a n c e ffor
o r cconsideration
o n s i d e r a t i o n iitt is
is
delivery
20
c a t e g o r i z e d as
a s aa category
c a t e g o r y 4.
4 . II would
w o u l d point
p o i n t out,
o u t , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , tthat
hat
categorized
21
t h e Malheur
Malheur C
o u n t y PParole
arole &
robation D
e p a r t m e n t ssentencing
entencing
the
County
& PProbation
Department
22
r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s hhave
ave m
i s c a t e g o r i z e d the
t h e ddelivery
e l i v e r y of
o f marijuana
marijuana
recommendations
miscategorized
23
ffor
o r cconsideration.
o n s i d e r a t i o n . II think
t h i n k in
i n Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n s report
r e p o r t they
they
Esbensen's
24
c a t e g o r i z e d them
t h e m all
a l l as
a s level
l e v e l 8's;
8 ' s ; and
a n d in
i n Mr.
Mr. K
a n g a s s they
t h e y also
also
categorized
Kangas's
25
c a t e g o r i z e d them
t h e m as
a s level
l e v e l 8's;
8 ' s ; and
a n d they
t h e y should
s h o u l d be
b e ccategorized
a t e g o r i z e d in
in
categorized
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1821
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
2
t h a t report
r e p o r t as
a s category
c a t e g o r y 4.
4.
that
T h e qquestion
u e s t i o n then
t h e n becomes
b e c o m e s whether
w h e t h e r or
o r not
n o t the
t h e court
c o u r t can
can
The
i m p o s e oor
r ddetermine
e t e r m i n e aa cclassification
l a s s i f i c a t i o n greater
g r e a t e r than
t h a n what
w h a t the
the
impose
u n d e r l y i n g ppredicate
r e d i c a t e offense
o f f e n s e is.
i s . The
T h e predicate
p r e d i c a t e offense
o f f e n s e is
i s simply
simply
underlying
d e l i v e r y ooff aa ccontrolled
o n t r o l l e d ssubstance,
ubstance, m
a r i j u a n a , for
f o r cconsideration
onsideration
delivery
marijuana,
a s aa llevel
e v e l 4.
4 . Um,
Um, m
ym
e m o ssets
e t s fforth
o r t h tthe
h e aapplicable
p p l i c a b l e law
l a w with
with
as
my
memo
r e g a r d to
t o what
w h a t tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t can
c a n and
a n d ccan't
a n t do.
d o . And
A n d in
i n essence,
e s s e n c e , Your
Your
regard
H o n o r , tthis
h i s iis
s oone
n e oof
f tthose
h o s e rrare
a r e iinstances
n s t a n c e s tthat
h a t tthe
h e llegislature
e g i s l a t u r e has
has
Honor,
g i v e n ccomplete
o m p l e t e ddiscretion
i s c r e t i o n to
t o the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o fashion
f a s h i o n whatever
whatever
given
10
s e n t e n c e the
t h e court
c o u r t so
s o ddesires;
e s i r e s ; so
s o long
l o n g aas
s tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t ccan
a n eestablish
stablish
sentence
11
i n iits
t s reasoning
r e a s o n i n g some
s o m e ffacts
a c t s that
t h a t will
w i l l not
n o t be
b e disturbed
d i s t u r b e d by
b y the
t h e Court
Court
in
12
of A
ppeals.
of
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13
Y o u hhave
a v e tto
o m
a k e ssome
o m e ffinding
i n d i n g tthat
h a t iis
s rrelevant
e l e v a n t to
t o the
the
You
make
14
p a r t i c u l a r sentencing,
s e n t e n c i n g , um,
u m , categorization.
c a t e g o r i z a t i o n . And
A n d iit's
t s pretty
p r e t t y simply,
si m p l y,
particular
15
a t least
l e a s t in
i n my
m y aanalysis,
n a l y s i s , that
t h a t this
t h i s was
w a s a commercial
c o m m e r c i a l ddrug
r u g ooffense.
ffense.
at
16
T
here w
e r e nnumerous
u m e r o u s eexhibits
x h i b i t s eentered
n t e r e d into
i n t o evidence;
e v i d e n c e ; many
m a n y of
of
There
were
17
which w
e r e rreflected
e f l e c t e d in
i n the
t h e grower
g r o w e r reimbursement
r e i m b u r s e m e n t forms
f o r m s and
a n d then
then
which
were
18
t h e ddaily
a i l y ttransaction
r a n s a c t i o n logs
l o g s that
t h a t were
w e r e aattached
t t a c h e d thereto.
t h e r e t o . Those
Those
the
19
g r o w e r rreimbursement
e i m b u r s e m e n t forms
f o r m s showed
s h o w e d over
o v e r and
a n d over
o v e r and
a n d oover
v e r llarge
arge
grower
20
a m o u n t s ooff m
a r i j u a n a coming
c o m i n g in
i n and
and w
i t h i n two
t w o oorr tthree
h r e e or
o r four
four
amounts
marijuana
within
21
o r ffive
i v e days
d a y s aafter
f t e r the
t h e marijuana
m a r i j u a n a was
w a s received
r e c e i v e d it
i t was
w a s sold
s o l d to
to
or
22
n u m e r o u s ddifferent
i f f e r e n t members
m e m b e r s oof
f tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l cclub.
l u b . Albeit
A l b e i t they
they
numerous
23
w e r e aall
ll m
edical m
a r i j u a n a cardholders,
c a r d h o l d e r s , uh,
u h , as
a s the
t h e court
c o u r t knows,
knows,
were
medical
marijuana
24
s e l l i n g marijuana
f o r consideration
c o n s i d e r a t i o n even
e v e n to
t o another
a n o t h e r cardholder
cardholder
selling
25
w a s pprohibited
r o h i b i t e d by
b y Oregon
O r e g o n law.
law.
was
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1822
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
Uh, w
e aalso
l s o kknow
n o w tthat
h a t there
t h e r e was
w a s a ton
t o n of
o f money
m o n e y tthat
h a t was
was
Uh,
we
o b t a i n e d during
d u r i n g the
t h e course
c o u r s e of
o f tthe
h e ooperation,
p e r a t i o n , roughly
r o u g h l y about
a b o u t 18
18
obtained
m o n t h s , of
o f ooperation
p e r a t i o n of
o f this
this
oof
f tthis
h i s eenterprise.
n t e r p r i s e . The
The
tthe
h e ttotal
otal
months,
d e p o s i t s that
t h a t we
w e had
h a d in
i n the
t h e bank
b a n k aaccount,
c c o u n t , the
t h e Malheur
M a l h e u r Federal
Fe d e r a l
deposits
C r e d i t Union
U n i o n bank
b a n k account,
a c c o u n t ,exceeded
e x c e e d e d$8
$ 860,0
6 0 , 00
0 00,, aand
n d tthat
h a t does
d o e s not
not
Credit
i n c l u d e the
t h e $5
$ 5 00-some-thousand
- s o m e - t h o u s a n d ddollars
o l l a r s that
t h a t was
w a s located
l o c a t e d in
i n Mr.
Mr.
include
E
s b e n s e n s cardboard
c a r d b o a r d box
b o x above
a b o v e his
h i s washer
w a s h e r and
a n d dryer
d r y e r at
a t his
his
Esbensen's
h o u s e . Um,
U m , so
so w
e ccan
a n ssee
e e tthat
h a t there
t h e r e was
w a s more
m o r e money
m o n e y tthat
h a t was
was
house.
we
o b t a i n e d during
d u r i n g tthat
h a t the
t h e ooperation
p e r a t i o n oof
f tthe
h e eenterprise.
nterprise.
obtained
10
W e aalso
l s o kknow
n o w tthat
hat M
r . EEsbensen
sbensen w
r o t e hhimself
i m s e l f checks
c h e c k s as
as
We
Mr.
wrote
11
a ssalary
a l a r y perhaps
p e r h a p s or
o r bonuses
b o n u s e s perhaps,
p e r h a p s , to
t o pay
p a y for
f o r aa number
n u m b e r of
o f iitems
tems
a
12
a n d pprimarily
r i m a r i l y his
h i s own
o w n ssalary;
a l a r y ; which
w h i c h I tthink
h i n k the
t h e evidence
evidence
and
13
d i s c l o s e d was
w a s in
i n excess
e x c e s s of
o f $40-some-thousand
$ 4 0 - s o m e - t h o u s a n d dollars.
d o l l a r s . Um,
U m , Mr.
Mr.
disclosed
14
K a n g a s ddidn't
i d n t have
h a v e nearly
n e a r l y that
t h a t amount
a m o u n t of
o f money
m o n e y tthat
h a t hhe
e rreceived.
eceived.
Kangas
15
But M
r. E
sbensen w
a s tthe
h e pperson
e r s o n iin
n ccharge
h a r g e ooff tthe
h e ffinances.
i n a n c e s . He
He
But
Mr.
Esbensen
was
16
w a s iin
n ccharge
h a r g e ooff tthe
h e ddeposits.
e p o s i t s . He
H e was
w a s iin
n ccharge
h a r g e ooff tthe
h e cchecking
hecking
was
17
a c c o u n t . He
H e was
w a s in
in
hhe
e w
a s tthe
h e oonly,
n l y , bby
y tthe
h e ttime
i m e tthe
h e ssearch
earch
account.
was
18
w a r r a n t was
w a s executed
e x e c u t e d and
a n d for
f o r some
some 7
7 oorr 88 m
o n t h s pprior
r i o r tto
o tthat,
h a t , he
he
warrant
months
19
w a s tthe
h e oonly
n l y pperson
e r s o n aallowed
l l o w e d to
t o sign
s i g n checks.
c h e c k s . According
A c c o r d i n g to
t o his
h i s own
own
was
20
t e s t i m o n y and
a n d ttestimony
e s t i m o n y of
o f oother
t h e r witnesses,
w i t n e s s e s , every
e v e r y night
n i g h t he
h e took
took
testimony
21
t h e cash
c a s h register
r e g i s t e r home
h o m e and
a n d tthe
h e ccash
a s h tto
o m
a k e tthe
h e ddeposit
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22
r e a d y ffor
o r the
t h e next
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23
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w e had
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a n y rrecord
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o f the
the
Uh,
24
c a s h tthat
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h e 445th
5th P
a r a l l e l that
t h a t was
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not
cash
Parallel
25
d e p o s i t e d . We
W e don't
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h a v e the
t h e records.
r e c o r d s .We
W eonly
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t h a t$5
$ 5 00deposited.
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1823
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
s o m e - t h o u s a n d dollars
d o l l a r s cash
c a s h was
w a s obtained
o b t a i n e d from
f r o m his
h i s house.
h o u s e . And
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o w n ttestimony
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t h a t was
w a s money
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e oobtained
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t h e 45th
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i s aa
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f f e n s e . It
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c o m m e r c i a l activity.
a c t i v i t y . And
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by
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c a t e g o r i z i n g this
t h i s as
a s aa category
c a t e g o r y 88 for
f o r Mr.
M r . Esbensen,
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u h , he
h e would
would
categorizing
ffall,
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b e l i e v e , according
a c c o r d i n g to
t o the
t h e parole
p a r o l e and
a n d probation
p r o b a t i o n report,
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a n d 8 prior
p r i o r non-adult
n o n - a d u l t misdemeanor
misdemeanor
non-person
10
c o n v i c t i o n s . So
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t h e two
t w o pprior
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e l o n y nnon-person
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11
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a t e g o r y 88E,
E , II tthink
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entencing
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12
u n d e r tthe
h e guidelines
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i s 22
2 2 to
t o 24
2 4 months
m o n t h s iin
n pprison.
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13
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h e ccourt
o u r t can
c a n also
a l s o impose
i m p o s e and
a n d should
s h o u l d impose
i m p o s e some
some
Um,
14
ffines
i n e s and
a n d iimpose
m p o s e aarrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n ffor
o r tthe
h e ccost
o s t oof
f tthe
h e sstate's
tates
15
p r o s e c u t i o n as
a s permitted
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b y Oregon
O r e g o n law
l a w under
u n d e r the
t h e RICO
R I C O ppenalty
enalty
prosecution
16
s t a t u t e . Uh,
U h , there
t h e r e has
h a s been
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e x p e n d e d by
b y the
t h e Malheur
County
statute.
17
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d a t in
e i nthis
t h icase
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e $ 9,0
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in
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18
c o s t s of
o f pprosecution.
r o s e c u t i o n . That
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i s primarily
p r i m a r i l y the
t h e salary
s a l a r y that
t h a t was
was
costs
19
a s s i g n e d to
t o tthe
h e pprosecutor.
r o s e c u t o r . It
I t does
d o e s not
n o t include
i n c l u d e the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f the
the
assigned
20
t r i a l assistants
a s s i s t a n t s or
o r secretarial
s e c r e t a r i a l assistant
a s s i s t a n t in
i n the
t h e District
At to rn e ys
trial
21
o f f i c e . Certainly
C e r t a i n l y it
i t doesn't
d o e s n t take
t a k e into
i n t o consideration
c o n s i d e r a t i o n the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f the
the
office.
22
c o u r t s , but
b u t the
t h e RICO
R I C O sstatute
t a t u t e ddoes
o e s nnot
o t aallow,
l l o w , II tthink;
h i n k ; iitt allows
allows
courts,
23
ffines
i n e s but
b u t ddoesn't
o e s n t allow
a l l o w recovery
r e c o v e r y of
o f the
t h e court
c o u r t costs
c o s t s for
f o r the
t h e court
court
24
itself.
itself.
25
Your H
o n o r , uum,
m , II ddon't
o n t know
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i f you
y o u want
w a n t me
m e tto
o pprovide
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Honor,
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1824
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
t h e information
i n f o r m a t i o n about
a b o u t Mr.
M r . Esbensen's
E s b e n s e n s property
p r o p e r t y holdings
h o l d i n g s now
n o w or
o r at
at
the
a ddifferent
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i m e , bbut...
ut...
a
THE C
O U R T : NNo.
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a t e r . II jjust
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THE
COURT:
want
u n d e r s t a n d exactly
e x a c t l y what
w h a t you're
y o u r e looking
l o o k i n gat.
a t .So
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y o u want
w a n t Count
Count 1
1
understand
and C
o u n t 22 cclassified
l a s s i f i e d aas
s 88E's?
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and
Count
MR. D
U G A N : CCorrect.
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MR.
DUGAN:
THE
THE C
COURT:
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Okay.
k a y.
MR. D
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i t h rregard
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o m
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um,
MR.
DUGAN:
With
merger,
i t s clear
c l e a r to
t o me
m e that
t h a t the
t h e conspiracy
c o n s p i r a c y to
t o commit
c o m m i t rracketeering
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a s in
in
it's
10
Count 3
3 w
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e r g e iinto
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C o u n t 1 aand
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o u n t 22.. Whether
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11
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n d CCount
o u n t 22mmerge
e r g e i sisa another
n o t h e r qquestion.
u e s t i o n . IIt think,
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12
JJudge
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a s e s iindicated
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t o us
u s on
o n tthe
h e rrecord
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Sullivan
13
t h a t she
s h e thought
t h o u g h t they
t h e y merged.
m e r g e d . II was
w a s looking
l o o k i n g at
a t the
t h e law
l a w on
o n merger
merger
that
14
a n d iiff tthere
h e r e are
a r e separate
s e p a r a t e elements
e l e m e n t s of
o f the
t h e two
t w o ooffenses
f f e n s e s they
they
and
15
w o u l d n t necessarily
n e c e s s a r i l y merge.
m e r g e . Uh,
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Count 1
1 iiss tthe
h e oorganization
r g a n i z a t i o n of
of
wouldn't
16
t h e eenterprise
n t e r p r i s e and
a n d the
t h e association
a s s o c i a t i o n of
o f the
t h e enterprise
e n t e r p r i s e with
w i t h the
t h e goal
goal
the
17
t o ccommit
o m m i t tthe
h e vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f llaw
a w aas
s ccontained
o n t a i n e d iin
n tthe
h e vviolations
i o l a t i o n s of
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to
18
t h e ccontrolled
o n t r o l l e d substance
s u b s t a n c e act,
a c t , as
a s alleged
a l l e g e d in
i n tthe
h e iindictment.
ndictment.
the
19
C o u n t 22 iis
s tthe
h e ssame
a m e aallegations
llegations w
i t h oone
n e aadditional,
d d i t i o n a l , um,
um,
Count
with
20
t e r m oorr oone
n e aadditional
d d i t i o n a l element;
e l e m e n t ; and
a n d that
t h a t is
i s they
t h e y had
h a d tthe
h e iintent
n t e n t to
to
term
21
v i o l a t e the
t h e law
l a w tthrough
h r o u g h tthis
h i s eenterprise
n t e r p r i s e and
a n d acquire
a c q u i r e proceeds.
p r o c e e d s . So
So
violate
22
t h a t s the
t h e difference
d i f f e r e n c e between
b e t w e e n the
t h e two.
t w o . If
I f the
t h e court
c o u r t is
i s considering
considering
that's
23
m e r g e r , um,
u m , I think
t h i n k Count
Count 1
1 would
w o u l d merge
m e r g e into
i n t o Count
C o u n t 2.
2 . Count
Count 3
3
merger,
24
would m
e r g e iinto
n t o Counts
C o u n t s 1 aand
n d 22,, aand
n d tthat
h a t would
w o u l d leave
l e a v e you
y o u with
with
would
merge
25
o n e ccount,
o u n t , 3,
3 , or
o r Count
C o u n t 22 bbecause
e c a u s e tthat
hat w
a s tthe
h e oone
n e tthat
h a t aacquired
cquired
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ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1825
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
p r o c e e d s . But
B u t II'm
m not
n o t necessarily
n e c e s s a r i l y admitting
a d m i t t i n g that
t h a t that
t h a t does
d o e s merge
merge
proceeds.
with C
o u n t 11 bbecause
e c a u s e tthere
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r e ttwo
w o sseparate
e p a r a t e eelements.
lements.
with
Count
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4
U m , tthe
h e oother
t h e r 88 ffelonies
e l o n i e s that
t h a t Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n was
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Um,
c o n v i c t e d of
o f are
a r e cclassified
as 4
4 because
b e c a u s e we
w e ddid
i d nnot...
ot...
convicted
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : TThe
h e c classification
l a s s i f i c a t i o n for
f o r Count
C o u n t 3 iiss what?
what?
THE
MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
m , t hthat's
ats
a i n , t hthat's
a t s aan
n uunclassified
nclassified
MR.
DUGAN:
a gagain,
c a t e g o r y , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
category,
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o yyou
o u bbelieve
e l i e v e iitt w
o u l d aalso
l s o be
b e an
a n 8E?
8E?
THE
COURT:
would
MR. D
U G A N : IIwwould
ould
o u l d aargue
r g u e tthat
h a t iitt would
w o u l d be
be
MR.
DUGAN:
I Iwwould
10
a n 88E.
E. U
m , tthe
h e ddelivery
e l i v e r y oof
fm
a r i j u a n a ffor
o r cconsideration
o n s i d e r a t i o n should
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ll
an
Um,
marijuana
11
b e cclassified
a s category
c a t e g o r y 4 uunder
n d e r tthe
h e gguidelines.
uidelines.
be
12
Um, M
r. K
a n g a s sstands...
tands...
Um,
Mr.
Kangas
13
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o wwhat
h a t yyou're
o u r e ttelling
e l l i n g me
m e iiss what
w h a t the
the
THE
COURT:
14
s t a t e sasking
a s k i n gfor
f o risi s25
2 5 to
t o 26
2 6 months
m o n t h s in
i n the
t h e custody
c u s t o d y of
o f Department
Department
state's
15
of C
o r r e c t i o n s for
f o r Mr.
M r . Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , with
w i t h a possibility
p o s s i b i l i t y of
o f 50
5 0 to
t o 52
52
of
Corrections
16
m o n t h s . IIs
s tthat
h a t ccorrect?
orrect?
months.
17
MR. D
U G A N : TThat's
h a t s ccorrect,
o r r e c t , Your
Your H
o n o r , bbut
u t II'm
m not
not
MR.
DUGAN:
Honor,
18
a s k i n g ffor
o r cconsecutive
o n s e c u t i v e ssentences.
e n t e n c e s . I'm
I m asking
a s k i n g for
f o r the
t h e imposition
imposition
asking
19
o f tthe
h e ccategory
a t e g o r y 8E
8 E ssentence.
e n t e n c e . The
T h e other
o t h e r 8 felonies
f e l o n i e s would
w o u l d be,
b e , on
on
of
20
t h e delivery
d e l i v e r y of
of m
a r i j u a n a ffor
o r cconsideration,
o n s i d e r a t i o n , would
w o u l d be
b e ooptional
ptional
the
marijuana
21
II m
e a n aautomatic
u t o m a t i c pprobation;
r o b a t i o n ; t there's
h e r e s nno
o ooptional
p t i o n a l pprison
r i s o n tthere;
h e r e ; iit's
ts
mean
22
j u s t presumptive
p r e s u m p t i v e probation
p r o b a t i o n and
a n d II tthink
h i n k iit's
t s aa 24
2 4 month
m o n t h pprobation.
robation.
just
23
S
o tthat
hat w
o u l d bbe
e sserved
e r v e d aat
t tthe
h e ssame
a m e ttime
i m e hhe's
e s sserving
e r v i n g aa jjail
ail
So
would
24
sentence.
sentence.
25
THE C
O U R T : BBut
u t I I'm
m jjust
u s t ttrying
r y i n g to
t o make
m a k e sure
sure I
THE
COURT:
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1826
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
u n d e r s t a n d . So,
S o , even
e v e n with
w i t h your
y o u r merger
m e r g e r aarguments,
r g u m e n t s , the
t h e only
o n l y tthing
hing
understand.
t h e state
s t a t e is
i s asking
a s k i n g is
i s for
f o r 25
2 5 or
o r 26
2 6 months
m o n t h s in
i n the
t h e custody
c u s t o d y of
o f the
the
the
D e p a r t m e n t ooff C
orrections?
Department
Corrections?
4
5
MR. D
U G A N : WWell,
e l l , wwe're
e r e aalso
l s o aasking
s k i n g ffor
o r aa ssubstantial
ubstantial
MR.
DUGAN:
ffine.
ine.
6
7
THE C
O U R T : I Iggot
o t t hthe
e f fine
i n e ppart.
a r t . II'm
m wanting
w a n t i n g to
t o know
know
THE
COURT:
a b o u t tthe
h e pprison.
rison.
about
8
9
10
11
12
13
MR. D
U G A N : TThe
h e pprison
r i s o n ttime
i m e iis
s 225
5 tto
o 226
6m
o n t h s , Your
Your
MR.
DUGAN:
months,
Honor.
Honor.
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d s so
o yyou're
o u r e nnot
o t aasking
s k i n g ffor
o r iitt to
t o be
b e for
for
THE
COURT:
C o u n t s 1 and
a n d 2,
2 , to
t o be
b e 52?
52?
Counts
MR. D
U G A N : I It hthink
i n k t they
h e y ccould
o u l d bbe
e ssentenced
e n t e n c e d bbut
u t tthey
hey
MR.
DUGAN:
s h o u l d be
b e ssentenced
e n t e n c e d consecutive
c o n s e c u t i v e Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
should
14
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : CConsecutive
o n s e c u t i v e oor
r cconcurrent?
o n c u r r e n t ? II tthought...
hought...
THE
15
MR. D
U G A N : I Immean
e a n c concurrently.
o n c u r r e n t l y . CConcurrently.
o n c u rre n t l y.
MR.
DUGAN:
16
THE C
O U R T : AAlright.
lright. O
k a y , II jjust
ust
II jjust
ust w
a n t e d to
to
THE
COURT:
Okay,
wanted
17
m a k e ssure
u r e II uunderstood
nderstood w
h a t yyou
o u wwere
e r e s seeking.
e e k i n g . AAlright,
l r i g h t , l let's
e t s ttalk
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make
what
18
a b o u t Mr.
M r . Kangas.
Kangas.
about
19
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
onor, M
r . KKangas
a n g a s i is
s i in,
n , II bbelieve,
elieve,
MR.
DUGAN:
Mr.
20
a n eentirely
n t i r e l y different
d i f f e r e n t situation
s i t u a t i o nthan
t h a nMr.
M r . Esbensen.
E s b e n s e n . Mr.
M r . Kangas
Kangas
an
21
p a r t i c i p a t e d in
i n this
t h i sand
a n dhe
h e was
w a s one
o n e of
o f the
t h e founding
f o u n d i n g members
m e m b e r s of
of
participated
22
t h e 445th
5th P
a r a l l e l . Um,
U m , hhe
e ddid
i d pparticipate
a r t i c i p a t e in
i n the
t h e delivery
d e l i v e r y of
of
the
Parallel.
23
m a r i j u a n a down
d o w n aatt tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l dispensary
d i s p e n s a r y and
a n d he
h e did
did
marijuana
24
p a r t i c i p a t e with
w i t h the
t h e clinic.
c l i n i c .Um,
U m , but
b u t II believe
b e l i e v e from
f r o m the
t h e evidence
evidence
participate
25
a n d iinformation
n f o r m a t i o n that
t h a t we
w e have
h a v e hhad
a d tthat
h a t hhe
e iis
s lless
e s s cculpable
u l p a b l e in
i n terms
terms
and
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1827
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
of
o f tthe
h e ccriminality
r i m i n a l i t y than
t h a n Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
Esbensen.
Mr. K
a n g a s ffiled
i l e d bbankruptcy
a n k r u p t c y tthrough
h r o u g h tthis
h i s process.
p r o c e s s . Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Kangas
Kangas w
a s rreceiving
e c e i v i n g some
s o m e monies,
m o n i e s , but
b u t not
n o t very
v e r y much,
m u c h , from
from
I
Kangas
was
t h i n k it
i t was
w a s about
a b o u t $1
$ 1 5,0
5 , 0 0000t ototal
t a l ffor
o r tthe
h e 118
8m
o n t h s tthat
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h e was
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months
t h e r e . And
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e ppretty
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m u c h ddeparted
e p a r t e d aany
n y oof
f hhis
i s ddirect
i r e c t involvement
involvement
there.
in
i n the
t h e operation
o p e r a t i o n of
o f equipment
e q u i p m e n t sometime
s o m e t i m e in
i n May
M a y or
o r June
J u n e of
o f 2012.
2012.
t i l l believe
b e l i e v e that
t h a t my
m y arguments
a r g u m e n t s with
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o the
the
I sstill
r a n k i n g that
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t should
s h o u l d impose
i m p o s e is
i s aa category
category 8
8 for
f o r the
the
ranking
r a c k e t e e r i n g and
a n d category
category 4
4 for
f o r the
t h e delivery
d e l i v e r y of
o f marijuana
for
racketeering
10
c o n s i d e r a t i o n ; but
b u t II am
a m not
n o t opposed,
o p p o s e d , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
consideration;
11
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o aa ddownward
o w n w a r d ddispositional
i s p o s i t i o n a l ddeparture
e p a r t u r e to
t o probation
p r o b a t i o n and
and
Kangas
12
t h e aamount
m o u n t oof
f ttime
i m e tthat
h a t hhe's
e s sserved
e r v e d ccurrently.
u rre ntl y.
the
13
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d hhe's
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a n I?
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14
MR. D
U G A N : HHe
e i is
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, Y
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MR.
DUGAN:
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Honor.
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15
criminal
c r i m i n a l history.
h i st o ry.
16
THE C
O U R T : CCould
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o u t tell
ell m
e oof
f tthe
h e ffounding
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THE
COURT:
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17
m e m b e r s oof
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h e 445th
5 t h PParallel,
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h o w many
m a n y oof
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h e sstate
t a t e is
is
members
18
s e e k i n g for
for a
a pprison
r i s o n sentence
s e n t e n c e on?
on?
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19
MR. D
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e l l , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , t this
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s tthe
h e ffirst
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w
ell,
MR.
DUGAN:
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well,
20
i t s not
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t h e first,
f i r s t ,uh,
u h ,Mark
M a r k Young
Y o u n g was
w a s sentenced
s e n t e n c e d to
t o probation
p r o b a t i o n on
o n aa
it's
21
ffelony
e l o n y conviction.
c o n v i c t i o n . He
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w a s one
o n e of
o f the
t h e founding
f o u n d i n g members.
m e m b e r s . Kerry
Kerry
22
R h o a n aand
nd K
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r e sscheduled
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o r ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g tomorrow.
tomorrow.
Rhoan
Kelly
Rhoan
23
S
o tthe
h e oonly
n l y oother
t h e r founding
f o u n d i n g members
m e m b e r s are
a r e Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s and
a n d Mr.
Mr.
So
24
E
sbensen.
Esbensen.
25
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O U R T : AAnd
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THE
COURT:
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1828
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
Rhoans?
Rhoans?
MR. D
U G A N : I I'm
m aasking
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h a t tthey
h e y bbe
e ccategorized
a t e g o r i z e d as
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MR.
DUGAN:
c a t e g o r y 8 aass w
e l l , Your
Your H
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e r e aa llittle
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Honor.
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Rhoans
were
d i f f e r e n t than
t h a n Mr.
M r . Kangas,
K a n g a s , in
i n that
t h a t they
t h e y were
w e r e there
t h e r e every
e v e r y day.
d a y . Um,
Um,
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t h e y uused
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he
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uppose.
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h e y ddid
i d nnot
o t hhave
a v e tthe
h e ccontrol
o n t r o l ooff tthe
h e ccheckbook,
h e c k b o o k , they
they
Although
w e r e ccontinually
o n t i n u a l l y getting
g e t t i n g both
b o t h free
f r e e marijuana
m a r i j u a n a from
f r o m tthe
h e ddispensary,
i sp e n sa ry,
were
w h i c h rresulted
e s u l t e d iin
n tthe
h e sshortages
h o r t a g e s oof
f aall
l l tthose
h o s e ddaily
a i l y ttransaction
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10
r e c o r d s , but
b u t also
a l s o being
b e i n gpaid
p a i d
paid
p a i d more
m o r e and
a n d more
m o r e and
a n d more
m o r e the
the
records,
11
llonger
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h , II'm
m going
g o i n g tto
o bbe
e aasking...
sking...
worked
Uh,
12
13
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o aare
r e yyou
o u aasking
s k i n g ffor
o r pprison
r i s o n ttime
i m e for
for
THE
COURT:
them?
them?
14
15
MR. D
U G A N : I Iwwill
i l l bbe
e aasking
s k i n g ffor
o r pprison
r i s o n ttime
i m e ffor
o r them
them
MR.
DUGAN:
Your
Honor.
Your H
onor.
16
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : SSo
o i fifI I'm
m hhearing
e a r i n g yyou
o u ccorrectly
o r r e c t l y tthe
h e rreason
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THE
17
y o u r e not
n o t asking
a s k i n g for
f o r prison
p r i s o n time
t i m e with
w i t h Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s is
i s because
b e c a u s e he
he
you're
18
g o t oout?
ut?
got
19
MR. D
UGAN: W
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n l y ddid
i d hhe
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e t oout
u t bbut
u t he
h e has
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no
MR.
DUGAN:
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20
prior
p r i o r criminal
h i s t o r y . Uh,
U h , the
t h e Rhoan
r o t h e r s , I believe,
b e l i e v e , have
have
21
p r i o r criminal
c r i m i n a l history;
h i s t o r y ; one
o n e of
o f them
t h e m has
h a s some
s o m e fforgery
o r g e r y cconvictions,
onvictions,
prior
22
u m , aand
n d II ddon't
o n t have
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h e i r records
r e c o r d s right
r i g h t here
h e r e in
i n front
f r o n t of
o f me
m e but
but
um,
23
t h e y ddon't
o n t fall
f a l l within
w i t h i n that
t h a t II category.
c a t e gory.
they
24
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : AAlright.
lright.
25
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , i titj just
u s t sstrikes
trikes m
e tthroughout
hroughout
MR.
DUGAN:
me
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1829
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
t h i s whole
w h o l e proceeding,
p r o c e e d i n g , and
a n d I've
I v e been
b e e n involved
i n v o l v e d in
i n iti t up
u p to
t o my
my
this
e y e b r o w s as
a s yyou
o u pprobably
r o b a b l y know,
k n o w , tthat
h a t the
t h e person
p e r s o n who
w h o was
w a s the
the
eyebrows
w h e e l e r dealer
d e a l e r was
w a s Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
E s b e n s e n . The
T h e person
p e r s o n who
who
everybody
e ve ryb o d y
wheeler
w e n t to
t o talk
t a l k to
t o Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n when
w h e n
when
w h e n a grower
g r o w e r came
c a m e by
b y to
to
went
s a y , hey,
h e y , I'm
I m aa grower,
g r o w e r , what
w h a t can
c a n you
y o u do
d o for
f o r me?
me? T
h e y ttalked
a l k e d to
to
say,
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Mr. E
s b e n s e n . IItt w
as M
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sbensens w
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his
Mr.
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work
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sbensen w
h o sset
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h e pprice
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t h e growers
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to
worked.
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who
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t h e i r so-called
s o - c a l l e d reimbursement.
r e i m b u r s e m e n t . ItI t was
w a s Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n that
that
received
10
11
s e t the
t h e price
p r i c e of
o f the
t h e marijuana
m a r i j u a n a to
t o be
b e ssold.
old.
set
THE C
O U R T : II
d e r s t a n d t that;
h a t ; II jjust
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a n t e d to
to
THE
COURT:
I II Iu nunderstand
wanted
12
g e t an
a n iidea
d e a of
o f what
w h a t was
w a s bbeing
e i n g asked
a s k e d and
a n d why.
w h y. A
n d II tthink
h i n k yyou've
ouve
get
And
13
a l r e a d y set
s e t that
t h a t out
o u t for
f o r me.
m e . Thank
T h a n k you.
yo u .
already
14
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
15
THE C
OURT: M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
16
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OR T
HE D
E F E N S E BY
B Y SUSAN
S U S A N GERBER
GERBER
ARGUMENT
FOR
THE
DEFENSE
17
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : UUm,
m , t thank
h a n k yyou,
o u , YYour
o u r HHonor.
o n o r . I I'll
l l try
t r y to
to
18
b r i e f but
b u t I don't
d o n t know
k n o w that
t h a t I can
c a n bbe.
e . II ffirst
i r s t have
h a v e tto
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19
s o m e t h i n g . The
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20
the
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21
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : YYeah,
e a h , t that's
hats w
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e ssaid.
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what
22
MS.
GERBER:
My
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MS. G
ERBER: M
y cclient
lient
k a y , II tthought
h o u g h t hhe
e hhad
a d ssaid
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23
t h e PSI
PSI w
a s aan
n EEaand
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the
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24
MR.
DUGAN:
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MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
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he
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a s tthe
h e PPSI...
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25
THE C
OURT: W
h a t hhe
e ssaid
a i d wwas
a s t that
h a t tthey
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THE
COURT:
What
ARGUMENT DEFENSE (GERBER)
1830

1
a s an
a n 88 tthroughout
h r o u g h o u t and
a n d iitt was
w a s nnot,
o t , and
a n d it
i t should
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4.
as
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t e l l i n g me
m e it's
i t saa G,
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n o t an
a n E?
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MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
m , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , I I'm
m aadopting
d o p t i n g the
the
MR.
DUGAN:
s e n t e n c i n g conclusions
c o n c l u s i o n s by
b y the
t h e presentence
p r e s e n t e n c e report
r e p o r t that
t h a t says
s a y s he
h e has
has
sentencing
t w o pprior
r i o r felony
f e l o n y convictions.
c o n v i c t i o n s .II have
h a v e on
o n my
m y desk,
d e s k , however,
h o w e v e r , um,
um,
two
o n e pprior
r i o r ffelony
e l o n y cconviction
o n v i c t i o n certified
c e r t i f i e d judgment
j u d g m e n t of
o f that,
t h a t , um,
u m , and
and I
one
d o n t know
k n o w if
i f there
t h e r e was
w a s a ssecond
e c o n d ffelony
e l o n y cconviction;
o n v i c t i o n ; II could
c o u l d never
never
don't
ffind
i n d the
t h e certified
c e r t i f i e d judgment
j u d g m e n t of
o f that.
t h a t .So
S o II would
w o u l d agree
a g r e e with
w i t h Ms.
Ms.
G e r b e r that
t h a t we
w e could
c o u l d classify
c l a s s i f y iti t as
a s aa G,
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a s opposed
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10
e v e n aas
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, uum,
m , wwell
e l l tthat
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o u l d pprovide
r o v i d e ssome
o m e aability
b i l i t y for
for
even
G,
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11
o p t i o n a l probation,
p r o b a t i o n , um,
u m , there
t h e r e is
i s no
n o specific
s p e c i f i c treatment
t r e a t m e n t program
p r o g r a m for
for
optional
12
a pperson
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h o iis
s sselling
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a r i j u a n a tto
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et m
arijuana.
a
who
marijuana
marijuana.
13
THE
COURT:
Okay.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
14
MR. D
U G A N : TThere's
h e r e s aa ttreatment
r e a t m e n t pprogram
r o g r a m ffor
or m
o n e y. . .
MR.
DUGAN:
money...
15
THE C
O U R T : SSo
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h e ggrid
rid
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h o u l d be
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a n 8G,
8G,
THE
COURT:
tthe
16
yo u w
o u l d aagree
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i t h tthat?
hat?
you
would
with
17
MR. D
U G A N : IIwwould
o u l d aagree
g r e e wwith
i t h tthat.
hat.
MR.
DUGAN:
18
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou. G
Go
o aahead
head M
Ms.
s. G
Gerber.
erber.
19
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
o n o r . Regarding
Regarding
you
yo u
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
20
21
22
j u s t want
want m
e tto
o aaddress
d d r e s s tthe
h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g iissue
s s u e aand...
nd...
just
me
THE C
O U R T : YYou
o u ccan
an
e r e ddealing
ealing w
i t h the
the
THE
COURT:
wwe're
with
racketeering.
racketeering.
23
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: O
k a y.
MS.
Okay.
24
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I Iddon't
o n t wwant
a n t tto
o gget
e t iinto
n t o tthe
he m
o n e y ppiece...
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THE
money
25
MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay,
k a y , I Iddon't
o n t eeither.
ither.
MS.
GERBER:
1831

1
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....until
. u n t i l aafter
f t e r II ddetermine
etermine w
h a t s going
g o i n g to
to
THE
what's
happen.
h a p p e n . I'm
I m really
r e a l l y trying
t r y i n g to
t o figure
f i g u r e out
o u t how
h o w I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o rank
r a n k the
the
r a c k e t e e r i n g and
a n d the
t h e other
o t h e r cases
c a s e s that
t h a t flow,
f l o w , so
s o as
a s yyou
o u ccan
a n ttell
e l l II've
ve
racketeering
a s k e d Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n tto
o ttell
e l l me
m e eexactly
x a c t l y what
w h a t he
he w
a n t e d , um,
u m , as
a s far
f a r as
as
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p r i s o n time
t i m e or
o r pprobation
r o b a t i o n or
o r tthings
h i n g s like
l i k e that.
t h a t . I'd
I dlike
l i k eto
t oknow
k n o w why
why
prison
II sshouldn't
h o u l d n t rank
r a n k iti t as
a s certain
c e r t a i nways
w a y s and
a n d how
h o w you'd
y o u d like
l i k e me
m e to
t o do
do
it.
it.
8
9
10
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
onor. I
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m e bbegin
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MS.
GERBER:
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Honor.
b y ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t II ddo
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g r e e tthat
h a t tthe
h e uunderlying
n d e r l y i n g ppredicates
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my
11
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h e rracketeering,
a c k e t e e r i n g , the
t h e only
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a s i s that
t h a t the
the
Now
12
s t a t e has
h a s alleged
a l l e g e d the
t h e racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g should
s h o u l d be
b e placed
p l a c e d at
a t aa level
level 8
8 is
is
state
13
t h a t this
t h i s was
w a s aa ccommercial
o m m e r c i a l ooffense.
ffense. U
m, w
h a t tthey're
h e y r e ffailing
a i l i n g to
to
that
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what
14
p o i n t out
o u t to
t o the
t h e court
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t h a ORS
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15
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16
T H E COURT:
C O U R T : Hold
H o l d on.
o n .4477 5.9
5 . 9 99 66(4)?
(4)?
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17
MS. G
E R B E R : YYes,
e s , YYour
o u r HHonor.
o n o r . AAnd
n d t that
h a t ssays
a y s tthat
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MS.
GERBER:
18
d r u g ooffense
f f e n s e sub-factors
s u b - f a c t o r s have
h a v e to
t o be
b e plead
p l e a d in
i n the
the
commercial
19
i n d i c t m e n t and
a n d proven
p r o v e n beyond
b e yo n d a
a rreasonable
e a s o n a b l e doubt
d o u b t in
i n order
o r d e r to
t o be
be
indictment
20
c o n s i d e r e d and
a n d cclassified
a s aa level
level 8
8 on
o n tthe
h e gguideline
u i d e l i n e grids
grids
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21
u n d e r tthe
h e cconsideration
onsideration
uunder
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r u g ooffense.
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under
22
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s tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t iiss w
e l l aware,
a w a r e , the
t h e commercial
drug
And,
well
23
o f f e n s e factors
f a c t o r s all
a l l you
y o u have
h a v e to
t o pick
p i c k are
a r e three:
t h r e e : you
y o u know,
know,
offense
24
p a c k a g i n g , in
i n possession
p o s s e s s i o nof
o fmore
m o r ethan
t h a n$3
$ 300 00,, eetc.
t c . And
A n d tthose
h o s e were
were
packaging,
25
n e v e r oonce
n c e pplead
l e a d iin
n tthe
h e iindictment
n d i c t m e n t aas
s ssub-category
u b - c a t e g o r y ffactors
a c t o r s and
and
never
1832

1
t h e y must
m u s t be.
b e . Um,
U m , ORS
ORS 1
1 3322.5
. 5 7 7 ,7,
a nan
i nindictment
d i c t m e n t mmust
u s t i include
n c l u d e aall
ll
they
s u b - c a t e g o r y factors
f a c t o r s in
i n addition
a d d i t i o n to
t o the
t h e elements
e l e m e n t s of
o f the
t h e crime
c r i m e iiff
sub-category
t h e state
s t a t e wishes
w i s h e s to
t o enhance
e n h a n c e tthe
h e ccrime
r i m e ffor
o r ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g ppurposes.
urposes.
the
S
u b - c a t e g o r y factors,
f a c t o r s , once
o n c e again,
a g a i n , must
m u s t be
b e plead
p l e a d in
i n the
t h e same
s a m e count
count
Sub-category
a s tthe
h e ccrime
r i m e iitself;
t s e l f ; and
a n d under
u n d e r that
t h a t same
s a m e sstatute,
t a t u t e , subsection
s u b s e c t i o n 2,
2 , um,
um,
as
t h e state
s t a t e must
m u s t prove
p r o v e beyond
b e yo n d a
a rreasonable
e a s o n a b l e doubt
d o u b t each
e a c h and
a n d every
every
the
s u b - c a t e g o r y ffactor
a c t o r tthat's
h a t s alleged.
alleged.
sub-category
8
9
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hat w
e hhave
a v e hhere
e r e i is
s aan
n i indictment
n d i c t m e n t tthat
h a t aalleges
lleges
And
what
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m e r e l y ddelivery
e l i v e r y oof
f aa ccontrolled
u b s t a n c e ffor
o r cconsideration.
o n s i d e r a t i o n . It
It
merely
10
d o e s nnot
o t aallege
l l e g e any
a n y ssub-factors
u b - f a c t o r s as
a s rrequired
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b y tthe
h e sstatute.
t a t u t e . And
A n d it
it
does
11
h a s tto
o bbe
e hheld
e l d bby
y tthe
h e ggrand
r a n d jjury.
u r y . IItt hhas
a s tto
o bbe
e bbrought
r o u g h t bbefore
e f o r e the
the
has
12
g r a n d jjury
u r y bbefore
e f o r e iitt ccan
a n bbe
e bbrought
r o u g h t bbefore
e f o r e tthe
h e ccourt.
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l l ccite
ite
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13
t h e ccourt
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i t h aa sspecific
p e c i f i c ccase
a s e tthat
h a t iis
s ddirectly
i r e c t l y oon
n ppoint.
o i n t . IIt's
ts S
tate,
the
with
State,
14
a n d II'm
m going
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t o spell
s p e l l the
t h e last
l a s t name,
n a m e , P-A-E-T-E-H-R.
P - A - E - T - E - H - R . The
T h e ssite
i t e is
is
and
15
1...
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16
THE C
O U R T : PP-A-E-T-E-H-R?
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THE
COURT:
17
MS.
GERBER:
Yes
MS. G
ERBER: Y
e s ssir.
i r . And
A n d the
t h e site
s i t e isi s169
1 6 9 OR
O R App
A p p 1157.
57.
18
A n d tthe
h e ffacts
a c t s aare
r e basically
b a s i c a l l y the
t h e same.
s a m e . And
A n d the
t h e Court
C o u r t of
o f Appeals
Appeals
And
19
r e j e c t the
t h e state's
s t a t e sargument
a r g u m e n t that
t h a t if
i f the
t h e evidence
e v i d e n c e is
i s produced
produced
reject
20
d u r i n g ttrial
r i a l they
t h e y don't
d o n t need
n e e d to
t o allege
a l l e g e it
i t in
i n the
t h e indictment.
i n d i c t m e n t . And
And
during
21
t h e Court
C o u r t ooff A
p p e a l s ssaid
a i d aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y not.
n o t . It
I t says,
s a y s , and
and
the
Appeals
22
( I N A U D I B L E ) OORS
R S 1 135.711
3 5 . 7 1 1 t hthat
a t t the
h e aaccusatory
c c u s a t o r y iinstrument
n s t r u m e n t sshall
hall
(INAUDIBLE)
23
a l l e g e facts
f a c t s sufficient
s u f f i c i e n t to
t o constitute
c o n s t i t u t e aa crime
c r i m e or
o r a specific
s p e c i f i c subsuballege
24
c a t e g o r y of
of a
a ccrime
r i m e aand
n d iitt m
u s t bbe
e pplead
l e a d iin
n tthe
h e aaccusatory
ccusatory
category
must
25
i n s t r u m e n t sufficient
s u f f i c i e n t factors
f a c t o r s of
o f aa drug,
d r u g , commercial
d r u g ooffense.
ffense.
instrument
1833

1
A n d tthose
h o s e ffactors
a c t o r s aare
r e tthree
h r e e of
o f aa vvariety
a r i e t y of
o f ffactors.
a c t o r s . And
A n d iin
n tthis
his
And
c a s e they
t h e y argued
a r g u e d the
t h e same
s a m e tthat
h a t Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n jjust
u s t aargued,
r g u e d , iin
n tthat
hat
case
Dugan
t h e r e cannot
c a n n o t be
b e no
n o doubt
d o u b t there
t h e r e was
w a s lots
l o t s of
o f money
m o n e y and
a n d tthere
h e r e were
were
there
s u b s t a n t i a l quantities
q u a n t i t i e s and
a n d that's
t h a t s the
t h e exact
e x a c t same
s a m e factual
f a c t u a l scenario
scenario
substantial
i n this
t h i s case,
c a s e , um,
u m , where
w h e r e they
t h e y said
s a i d iti t involved
i n v o l v e dover
o v e r150
1 5 0 grams
g r a m s of
of
in
m a r i j u a n a . The
T h e court
c o u r t said
s a i d absolutely
a b s o l u t e l y not,
n o t , um,
u m , you
y o u must
m u s t aallege
llege
marijuana.
t h o s e substantial
s u b s t a n t i a l quantity
q u a n t i t yand
a n d you
y o u must
m u s t allege
a l l e g e commercial
drug
those
o f f e n s e as
a s ssub-category
u b - c a t e g o r y ffactors
a c t o r s if
i f you're
y o u r e going
g o i n g to
t o seek
s e e k the
t h e level
level 8
8
offense
enhancement.
enhancement.
10
U m , aalthough
l t h o u g h tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t ddoes
o e s hhave
a v e jjurisdiction
u r i s d i c t i o n to,
t o , of
of
Um,
11
c o u r s e , place
p l a c e racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g where
w h e r e it
i t wants
w a n t s to;
t o ; the
t h e only
o n l y argument
argument
course,
12
t h e sstate's
t a t e s resting
r e s t i n gon
o n is
i s that
t h a t this
t h i s is
i s commercial
d r u g offense
o f f e n s e and
and
the
13
i t s not.
n o t . Under
U n d e r the
t h e law
l a w they
t h e y have
h a v e aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y ffailed
a i l e d to
t o plead
p l e a d it
it
it's
14
p r o p e r l y . The
T h e courts
c o u r t s have
h a v e been
b e e n very
v e r y clear
c l e a r about
a b o u t it
i t and,
a n d , you
y o u know,
know,
properly.
15
o n e ooff tthe
h e tthings
h i n g s ooff tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t iin
n tthe
h e ccase
a s e tthat
h a t I mentioned
m e n t i o n e d said
s a i d is
is
one
16
y o u ccan't
a n t possibly
p o s s i b l y determine
t h e ggrand
r a n d jjury's
u r y s intent,
i n t e n t , um,
u m , if
i f those
those
you
17
s u b - f a c t o r s aren't
a r e n talleged.
a l l e g e d .And
A n d you
y o u can't
c a n tsimply
s i m p l y say
s a y that
t h a t the
the
sub-factors
18
t h e evidence
evidence w
a s bbrought
r o u g h t fforth
o r t h dduring
u r i n g tthe
h e ttrial.
r i a l . It
I t is
i s unequivocal
unequivocal
the
was
19
t h a t those
t h o s e factors
f a c t o r s must
m u s t be
b e alleged.
a l l e g e d . Just
J u s tlike
l i k eaagun
g u n minimum
m i n i m u m or
or
that
20
a n y oother
t h e r kkind
i n d ooff ssub-factor
u b - f a c t o r that
t h a t enhances
e n h a n c e s aa crime.
c r i m e . Uh,
U h , and
a n d they
they
any
21
s i m p l y ffailed
a i l e d to
t o do
d o iit.
t.
simply
22
A n d uunder
n d e r tthat
h a t ccase
a s e tthat
h a t I ccited
i t e d they
t h e y made
m a d e aa sspecific
pecific
And
23
ffinding
i n d i n g but
b u t it
i t then
t h e n goes
g o e s down
d o w n from
f r o m a level
l e v e l 88 to
t o aa level
l e v e l 4.
4 . Um,
U m , and
and
24
II w
o u l d aask
s k tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t tto
o aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y ffind
i n d tthat
h a t the
t h e reliance
r e l i a n c e by
b y the
the
would
25
s t a t e that
t h a t this
t h i s is
i s aa commercial
d r u g ooffense
f f e n s e aand
n d tthat
h a t iitt jjust
u s t is
is
state
1834

1
b e c a u s e it
i t is,
i s , and
a n d therefore
t h e r e f o r e racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g is
i s an
a n 8,
8 , is
i s simply
s i m p l y wrong.
wrong.
because
A n d yyou
o u ccan
a n ssee
e e ffrom
r o m t the
h e ppresentence
r e s e n t e n c e iinvestigation
n v e s t i g a t i o n tthat
h a t the
the
And
p r e s e n t e n c e investigator
i n v e s t i g a t o r writer
w r i t e r also
a l s o fell,
f e l l , um,
u m , with
w i t h no
n o ddisrespect
isrespect
presentence
m e a n t , for
f o r the
t h e argument
a r g u m e n t tthat
h a t you
y o u ddon't
o n t have
h a v e to
t o plead
p l e a d those
those
meant,
ffactors
a c t o r s but
b u t we
w e aall
l l know
k n o w tthat
h a t yyou
o u hhave
a v e tto.
o. A
n d i it's
t s bbeen
e e n llike
i k e that
that
And
ffor
o r quite
q u i t e some
s o m e time
t i m e now.
now.
U h , aand
nd m
o s t oof,
f , iiff not
n o t all
a l l of,
o f , the
t h e case
c a s e law
l a w
and
and I
Uh,
most
c o u l d probably
p r o b a b l y cite
c i t e to
t o Mr.
M r . Dugan's
D u g a n s sentencing
memorandum
could
w h e r e hhe
e aactually
c t u a l l y does
d o e s say
s a y that
t h a t most
most
iitt says,
s a y s , um,
u m , most
m o s t ooften
ften
where
10
t h e court
c o u r t will
w i l l rank
r a n k it
i t at
a t the
t h e same
s a m e llevel
e v e l as
a s tthe
h e uunderlying
n d e rl yi n g
the
11
p r e d i c a t e s , which
w h i c h is
i s 4.
4 . Um,
U m , aand
n d tthe
h e oonly
n l y ccases
a s e s tthat
h a t tthey've
h e yve
predicates,
12
p r o v i d e d iis
s aa pprostitution
r o s t i t u t i o n case
c a s e tthat's,
h a t s , II would
w o u l d say,
s a y , fairly
f a i r l y heinous
heinous
provided
13
i n aand
n d oof
f iitself
t s e l f and
a n d pprobably
robably w
a s jjustified
u s t i f i e d to
t o raise
r a i s e the
the
in
was
14
r a c k e t e e r i n g , in
i n and
a n d of
o f itself,
i t s e l f , up
u p aa higher
h i g h e r level
l e v e l than
t h a n in
i n fact
f a c t what
what
racketeering,
15
t h e underlying
u n d e r l y i n g predicates
p r e d i c a t e s were.
w e r e . But,
B u t , you
y o u know,
k n o w , tthe
h e sstate
tate
the
16
s p e c i f i c a l l y says
s a y s racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g is
i s an
a n 8 bbecause
e c a u s e iit's
t s aa commercial
commercial
specifically
17
d r u g ooffense.
f f e n s e . That
T h a t is
i s simply
s i m p l y nnot
o t tthe
h e ccase.
ase.
drug
18
U m , aand
n d II'm
m qquoting
u o t i n g on
o n ppage
a g e 33 ffrom
r o m tthe
h e sstate,
t a t e , and
and
Um,
19
t h e y r e quoting
q u o t i n g II believe
b e l i e v e from
f r o m State
S t a t e v.
v . Coleman
C o l e m a n where
w h e r e they
t h e y say,
sa y,
they're
20
a n d tthey're
h e y r e also
a l s o stating
s t a t i n g from
f r o m the
t h e Oregon
Oregon S
entencing G
uidelines
and
Sentencing
Guidelines
21
IImplementation
m p l e m e n t a t i o n Manual
M a n u a l tthat
h a t aalthough
l t h o u g h rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g is
i s an
a n unranked
unranked
22
o f f e n s e , its
i t s seriousness
s e r i o u s n e s s in
i n most
m o s t cases
c a s e s is
i s determined
d e t e r m i n e d by
b y the
t h e crime
crime
offense,
23
s e r i o u s n e s s of
o f the
t h e underlying
u n d e r l y i n g crime.
c r i m e . And
A n d the
t h e underlying
u n d e r l y i n g crime
crime
seriousness
24
h e r e , as
a s Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n hhas
a s eexplained,
x p l a i n e d , is
i s aa level
l e v e l 4.
4 . Um,
U m , it
i t would
would
here,
25
s i m p l y bbe
e iillegal
l l e g a l aatt tthis
h i s ppoint
o i n t tto
o jjustify
u s t i f y rraising
a i s i n g tthe
h e rracketeering
acketeering
simply
1835

1
b a s e d oon
n tthe
h e sstate's
t a t e s argument
a r g u m e n t because
b e c a u s e they
t h e y ffailed
a i l e d to
t o properly
properly
based
p l e a d tthese
h e s e things
t h i n g s iin
n tthe
h e ppredicate
r e d i c a t e offenses
o f f e n s e s themselves.
themselves.
plead
N o w tthe
h e oother
t h e r tthing
h i n g II w
o u l d aargue
r g u e tto
o tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t iiss tthat
hat
Now
would
e v e r y ssingle
i n g l e count
c o u n t in
i n 1,
1, 2
2 aand
n d 33,, aand
n d aall
l l tthe
h e sseparate
e p a r a t e counts
c o u n t s are
are
every
c o m m i t t e d on
o n the
t h e same
s a m e ddate,
a t e , by
b y the
t h e same
s a m e ppeople,
e o p l e , and
a n d to
t o the
t h e same
same
committed
p e r s o n . Some
S o m e hhave
a v e uunknown
n k n o w n ppersons
e r s o n s t they're
h e y r e ddelivered
e l i v e r e d tto,
o , but
b u t all
all
person.
t h e s e charges
c h a r g e s are
a r e the
t h e same
s a m e eexact
x a c t ccharges;
h a r g e s ; tthey're
h e y r e the
t h e same
s a m e exact
exact
these
p r e d i c a t e s . So
S o it's
i t smy
m y argument,
a r g u m e n t , absolutely,
a b s o l u t e l y , under
u n d e r conspiracy
c o n s p i r a c y as
as
predicates.
t h e court
c o u r t is
i s well
w e l l aware,
a w a r e , any
a n y underlying
u n d e r l y i n g crimes
c r i m e s merge
m e r g e with
w i t h aa
the
10
c o n s p i r a c y . You
Y o u cannot
c a n n o t run
r u n Count
C o u n t 1 and
and C
o u n t 22 cconsecutive
onsecutive
conspiracy.
Count
11
when C
o u n t 22 aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y hhas
a s tto
o hhave
a v e aappredicates...
redicates...
when
Count
12
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o yyou
o u wwould
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o u wwould
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g r e e tthat
hat
THE
COURT:
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13
C o u n t 33 m
e r g e s iinto
nto C
o u n t 22.. Y
o u aalso
l s o aare
r e aarguing
r g u i n g that
t h a t Counts
Counts 1
1
Count
merges
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14
and 2
2m
erge?
and
merge?
15
MS.
GERBER:
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my
MS. G
E R B E R : YYes,
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16
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
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17
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E R B E R : . ...is
. . i s yyes,
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merge.
MS.
GERBER:
18
T H E CCOURT:
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e c a u s e I I'll
l l bbe
e rreally
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l u n t sso
o II ddon't
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19
h a v e tto
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e a r aa w
h o l e bbunch
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n t hthis.
i s . IIf
f t the
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t a t e s not
n o t asking
asking
have
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20
ffor
o r consecutive
c o n s e c u t i v e sentences
s e n t e n c e s on
o n 11 and
a n d 2,
2 , there
t h e r e would
w o u l d be
b e no
n o reason
reason
21
w h y II w
o u l d nnot
ot m
e r g e tthem
h e m ttogether.
ogether.
why
would
merge
22
MS.
Okay.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: O
ka y.
23
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o ggo
o aahead
h e a d t to
o yyour
o u r nnext
e x t ppoint.
oint.
THE
COURT:
24
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou.
o u . TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
u d g e . My
M y nnext
ext
25
p o i n t is
i s simply
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u m , rregarding
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h e uunderlying
n d e r l y i n g ccounts
o u n t s tthey're
h e yre
point
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1
n o t aasking
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o r cconsecutive
o n s e c u t i v e aand
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h a t s nice,
n i c e , but
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o
n d I Ihhave
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a i s e t these
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aand
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o n o r , bbut
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n t o aaccount,
c c o u n t , is
is
Your
Honor,
t h a t Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n uunder
n d e r tthe
h e eequal
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r o t e c t i o n clause
c l a u s e and
a n d the
the
that
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a n d immunities
i m m u n i t i e s clause
c l a u s e has
h a s chosen
c h o s e n my
m y client
c l i e n t to
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the
privileges
o n l y pperson
e r s o n in
i n this
t h i s case
c a s e who
w h o should
s h o u l d spend
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a s much
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i m e iin
n pprison
rison
only
t h a t he's
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a s k i n g for.
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o n everybody
e v e r y b o d y else
e l s e who,
w h o , for
for
that
llack
a c k of
of a
a bbetter
e t t e r phrase
p h r a s e where
w h e r e II come
c o m e from,
f r o m , snitched
s n i t c h e d and
a n d took
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d e a l as
a s quickly
q u i c k l y as
a s tthey
h e y ccould;
o u l d ; and
a n d iit's
t s not
n o t based
b a s e d on
o n Mr.
M r . Esbensen
Esbensen
deal
10
b e i n g some
s o m e rring
i n g llord.
ord.
being
11
Um, w
h a t II'd
d llike
i k e tto
o tthrow
h r o w tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t iis,
s , aand
n d II've
ve
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12
s u b m i t t e d these
t h e s e as
a s eexhibits
x h i b i t s because
b e c a u s e privileges
a n d immunities
immunities
submitted
13
c l a u s e iiss vviolated
i o l a t e d quite
q u i t e clearly,
c l e a r l y , um,
u m , aand
n d II'll
l l cite
c i t e the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o aa
clause
14
c a s e . State
S t a t e v.
v . Cunningham,
C u n n i n g h a m , 232
2 3 2 OR
OR A
p p 1135.
35. A
n d iitt ssays
a y s tthat
h a t you
yo u
case.
App
And
15
h a v e tto
o llook
o o k aat
t tthe
h e ddefendant's
e f e n d a n t s situation
s i t u a t i o n compared
c o m p a r e d with
w i t h the
the
have
16
o t h e r s who
w h o have
h a v e bbeen
e e n ccharged
h a r g e d with
w i t h the
t h e same
s a m e crimes
c r i m e s in
i n the
t h e same
same
others
17
c o u n t y.
county.
18
N o w , II kknow
n o w i it
t m
i g h t iirritate
r r i t a t e Your
Your H
o n o r , yyou've
o u v e heard
heard
Now,
might
Honor,
19
t h i s before,
b e f o r e , but
b u t every
e v e r y single
s i n g l e person
p e r s o n in
i n this
t h i s case,
c a s e , now
n o w iincluding
ncluding
this
20
Mr. K
a n g a s , uum,
m, w
h o II w
o u l d llove
o v e tto
o hhave
a v e bbe
e ggiven
i v e n pprobation,
r o b a t i o n , but
but
Mr.
Kangas,
who
would
21
e v e r y ssingle
i n g l e one
o n e ooff tthese
h e s e ppeople
e o p l e have
h a v e bbasically
a s i c a l l y walked
w a l k e d out
o u t of
of
every
22
h e r e with
w i t h a tton
o n ooff m
o n e y ddoing
o i n g tthe
h e ssame
a m e eexact
x a c t tthings
h i n g s aand
n d tthey've
h e yve
here
money
23
a l l been
b e e n given
g i v e n aa ddismissal
i s m i s s a l ooff tthe
h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g charges
c h a r g e s and
and
all
24
b a s i c a l l y been
b e e n given
g i v e n a fine
f i n e payable
p a y a b l e to
t o the
t h e sheriff
s h e r i f f and
a n d aa
basically
25
c o n d i t i o n a l release
r e l e a s eor
o rdischarge.
d i s c h a r g e .Uh,
U h ,Mark
M a r kYoung
Y o u n g was
w a s one
o n e of
o f the
the
conditional
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1
owners. T
h e oonly
n l y rreason
e a s o n hhe's
e s oon
n pprobation
r o b a t i o n iis
s bbecause
e c a u s e hhe
e ccouldn't
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p a y tthe
h e ffine
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heriff.
pay
U m , aand
n d II w
a n t tto
o bbring
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a c t tthat,
h a t , you
y o u know,
know,
Um,
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Trish
T
r i s h Gardner
G a r d n e r is
i s an
a n iimportant
m p o r t a n t factor
f a c t o r here,
h e r e , Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . When
W h e n it
it
c o m e s tto
o tthe
h e cconstitutional
o n s t i t u t i o n a l principles
p r i n c i p l e s of
o f equal
e q u a l privileges
and
comes
immunities,
i m m u n i t i e s , Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n made
m a d e aa ppoint
o i n t aatt the
t h e very
v e r y bbeginning
e g i n n i n g and
and
s a i d , the
t h e reason
r e a s o n he
h e ffeels
e e l s Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n ddeserves
e s e r v e s tthis
h i s ttreatment
r e a t m e n t is
is
said,
Esbensen
h i s criminal
h i s t o r y . This
T h i s man
m a n has
h a s one
o n e crime
c r i m e from
f r o m 1987.
1 9 8 7What
. W h a tthe
the
his
s t a t e has
h a s failed
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t o prove,
p r o v e , however,
h o w e v e r , is
i s these
t h e s e crimes
c r i m e s and
a n d the
t h e one
one
state
10
t h e y sstate,
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t h e crime
c r i m e from
f r o m 1987,
1 9 8is
7 , from
is from
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. A n dthe
t h ePSI
P S I writer
writer
Idaho.
they
11
h a s aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y failed
f a i l e d under
u n d e r the
t h e Oregon
O r e g o n sstatutes
t a t u t e s to
t o prove
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t h a t the
the
has
12
c h a r g e tthat
h a t they're
t h e y r e citing
c i t i n g to
t o is
i s aa felony,
f e l o n y , which
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i s conspiracy
to
charge
13
c o m m i t aa vviolation
i o l a t i o n oof
f tthe
h e ccontrolled
o n t r o l l e d substances
s u b s t a n c e s act
a c t is
i s the
t h e exact
exact
commit
14
s a m e ccrime
r i m e yyou
ou w
o u l d ffind
i n d iin
n tthis
h i s sstate,
t a t e , the
t h e same
s a m e level.
l e v e l . And
A n d Your
Your
same
would
15
H o n o r iis
sw
e l l aaware
w a r e oof
f tthe
h e ffact
a c t tthat
h a t uunder
n d e r tthe
h e ffelony
e l o n y ssentencing
entencing
Honor
well
16
g u i d e l i n e s tthe
h e sstate...
tate...
guidelines
17
MR.
DUGAN:
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , I I'm
m ggoing...
oing...
18
MS. G
E R B E R : . ....bears
. b e a r s tthe
h e bburden
u r d e n tto
o pprove...
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MS.
GERBER:
19
MR. D
U G A N : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g t to
o oobject
b j e c t aat
t tthis
h i s ppoint
o i n t bbecause
ecause
MR.
DUGAN:
20
Ms. G
e r b e r ddid
i d nnot
o t ggive
ive w
r i t t e n nnotice
o t i c e that
t h a t they
t h e y were
w e r e going
g o i n g to
to
Ms.
Gerber
written
21
c h a l l e n g e the
t h e prior
p r i o r conviction
c o n v i c t i o n of
o f Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
E s b e n s e n . Under
U n d e r the
the
challenge
22
s e n t e n c i n g guidelines
g u i d e l i n e s criteria
c r i t e r i a and
a n d the
t h e statute
s t a t u t e she
s h e has
h a s to
t o give
give
sentencing
23
w r i t t e n notice
n o t i c e to
t o the
t h e state
s t a t e to
t o do
d o tthat
h a t and
a n d sshe
h e hhasn't
a s n t done
d o n e tthat.
hat.
written
24
25
S
e c o n d l y , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , II do
d o have
h a v e a copy
c o p y ooff tthe
h e judgment
judgment
Secondly,
o f cconviction
o n v i c t i o n in
i n that
t h a t case,
c a s e , um,
u m , and
a n d iitt iiss cconspiracy
o n s p i r a c y tto
o vviolate
i o l a t e the
the
of
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Uniform C
o n t r o l l e d Substance
S u b s t a n c e Act
A c t ffelony
e l o n y iis
sw
h a t tthe
h e eentitlement
ntitlement
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what
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u d g m e n t oof
f cconviction
o n v i c t i o n iis,
s , bbut...
ut...
of
3
4
THE C
O U R T : AAre
r e yyou
o u c contesting
o n t e s t i n g tthe
h e jjudgment
u d g m e n t tthat
h a t he
he
THE
COURT:
has?
has?
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , t there
h e r e aare
r e ttwo
w o sseparate
e p a r a t e tthings
h i n g s tthat
hat
MS.
GERBER:
y o u hhave
a v e tto
o aargue.
rgue. Y
o u ddo
o hhave
a v e tto
o ggive
i v e nnotice
o t i c e iif
f yyou're
oure
you
You
c o n t e s t i n g that
t h a t it
i t was
w a s aa...
...
contesting
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : NNo,
o , t hthat's
a t s nnot
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y qquestion.
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THE
my
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : . ....prior
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10
11
THE C
OURT: M
y q question,
u e s t i o n , aare
r e yyou
o u ccontesting
o n t e s t i n g the
the
THE
COURT:
My
j u d g m e n t that
t h a t he
h e has
h a s on
o n his
h i s desk?
desk?
judgment
12
MS. G
E R B E R : I Iddon't
o n t kknow;
n o w ; I Ihhaven't
a v e n t sseen
e e n iit,
t , jjudge.
udge.
MS.
GERBER:
13
THE C
O U R T : TTake
a k e aa m
o m e n t aand
n d llook
o o k aatt iit.
t.
THE
COURT:
moment
14
MR. D
UGAN: W
e p provided
r o v i d e d ccopies
o p i e s oof
f tthat
h a t iin
n ddiscovery
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to
MR.
DUGAN:
We
15
her.
her.
16
THE C
O U R T : JJust
u s t ttake
a k e aa m
i n u t e aand
n d llook
o o k aatt iit.
t.
THE
COURT:
minute
17
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , II hhave
a v e hhad
a d aa cchance
h a n c e tto
o rreview
e v i e w iitt
MS.
GERBER:
18
a n d iiff II ccan
a n aanswer
n s w e r tthe
h e ccourt's
o u r t s question.
q u e s t i o n . Um,
U m , is
i s the
t h e court
c o u r t asking
asking
and
19
me w
h e t h e r oor
r nnot
o t II hhave
a v e aabbasis
a s i s tto
o oobject
b j e c t bbecause
e c a u s e II ddidn't
i d n t give
give
me
whether
20
n o t i c e ? Is
I s that
t h a t what
w h a t yyou're
o u r e concerned
c o n c e r n e d about?
about?
notice?
21
22
THE C
O U R T : NNo,
o , mmy
y qquestion
u e s t i o n i is:
s : IIs
s tthat
h a t tthe
h e jjudgment
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THE
COURT:
t h a t you
yo u w
e r e qquestioning?
uestioning?
that
were
23
MS. G
ERBER: Y
e s , iitt iiss Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
Yes,
Your
Honor.
24
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . TTalk
a l k tto
o m
e aabout
bout w
h y yyou
o u ddidn't
idnt
THE
COURT:
me
why
25
g i v e nnotice.
otice.
give
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1
MS. G
E R B E R : BBecause
e c a u s e yyou
o u ddon't
o n t hhave
a v e tto
o ggive
i v e nnotice
otice
MS.
GERBER:
u n d e r tthe
h e ffelony
e l o n y ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g guidelines
g u i d e l i n e s act
a c t if
i f you
y o u are
a r e simply
simply
under
c o n t e s t i n g the
t h e fact
f a c t that
t h a t it
i t is
i s not,
n o t , and
a n d that
t h a t the
t h e state
s t a t e has
h a s failed
f a i l e d to
to
contesting
p r o v e iitt is
i s the
t h e same
s a m e ooffense
f f e n s e that
t h a t is
i s the
t h e same
s a m e offense
o f f e n s e in
i n Oregon.
Oregon.
prove
Y o u ddo
o hhave
a v e t to
o ggive
i v e nnotice
o t i c e i if
f yyou're
o u r e ccontesting
o n t e s t i n g tthe
h e ffact
a c t tthat
h a t there
there
You
w a s aa cconviction
o n v i c t i o n tto
o bbegin
egin w
i t h oor
r tthat
h a t tthey're
h e y r e counting
c o u n t i n g it
it
was
with
c o r r e c t l y . You
Y o u do
d o hhave
a v e tto
o ggive
i v e nnotice
o t i c e ooff tthat.
h a t . You
Y o u ddon't
o n t have
h a v e to
to
correctly.
g i v e nnotice
o t i c e of
o f the
t h e fact,
f a c t , um,
u m , and
a n d I have
h a v e iitt with
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m e , jjudge,
u d g e , because
because
give
II kknew
n e w iitt w
o u l d bbecome
e c o m e aan
n iissue;
s s u e ; uum,
m , bbecause
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e r e not
not
would
we're
10
c o n t e s t i n g that
t h a t conviction
c o n v i c t i o n at
a t all.
a l l . What
W h a t we're
w e r e saying
s a y i n g is
i s the
t h e sstate
tate
contesting
11
fforgot
o r g o t that
t h a t they
t h e y have
h a v e tthe
h e bburden
u r d e n oof
f pproving
r o v i n g tthat
h a t tthose
h o s e cconvictions
onvictions
12
a r e comparable
c o m p a r a b l e exactly
e x a c t l y to
t o aa felony
f e l o n y crime
c r i m e in
i n Oregon
O r e g o n and
a n d they
t h e y have
have
are
13
a b s o l u t e l y failed
f a i l e d to
t o do
d o that.
t h a t . The
T h e PSI
P S I writer
w r i t e r did
d i d not
n o t do
d o that.
t h a t . And
And
absolutely
14
t h e y bear
b e a r the
t h e burden
b u r d e n of
o f proof
p r o o f today.
t o d a y . And
A n d be
b e tthey
h e y hhave
a v e ffailed
a i l e d to
t o do
do
they
15
t h a t they
t h e y ccannot
a n n o t bbring
r i n g iit
t bbefore
e f o r e tthis
h i s ccourt's
o u r t s aattention.
ttention.
that
16
THE C
O U R T : Why?
Wh y?
THE
COURT:
17
MS. G
e c a u s e t hthat's
a t s ppart
a r t ooff tthe
h e ffelony
elony
MS.
GERBER:
18
s e n t e n c i n g gguidelines,
u i d e l i n e s , judge,
j u d g e , and
a n d II ccan
a n ffind
i n d iit...
t...
sentencing
19
THE C
OURT: W
h y ddoes
o e s i titssay
a y t hthat
a t tthey
h e y ccannot
a n n o t ppresent
resent
THE
COURT:
Why
20
t h a t judgment?
j u d g m e n t ? II mean
m e a n I nnever
e v e r gget
et a
a P
S I rreport
e p o r t except
e x c e p t out
o u t of
o f your
yo u r
that
PSI
21
c o u n t y , Malheur
M a l h e u r County;
C o u n t y ; so
s o why
w h y ccan
a n tthe
h e state
s t a t e not
n o t show
s h o w me
m e tthat
h a t he
he
county,
22
h a d aa jjudgment
u d g m e n t aand
n d ppresent
r e s e n t iitt ttoday
o d a y aatt ssentencing,
e n t e n c i n g , which
w h i c h is
is
had
23
n o r m a l l y when
w h e n II w
o u l d rreceive
e c e i v e iit.
t.
normally
would
24
25
MS. G
u d g e , t they're
h e y r e ppresenting
r e s e n t i n g Idaho
Idaho
MS.
GERBER:
c o n v i c t i o n s , though.
t h o u g h . And
A n d under
u n d e r the
t h e felony
f e l o n y ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g gguidelines
uidelines
convictions,
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a c t in
i n Oregon
O r e g o n aany
n y oout-of-state
u t - o f - s t a t e conviction
c o n v i c t i o n must
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b e proven
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b y the
the
act
s t a t e to
t o be
be a
a ccomparable
o m p a r a b l e ffelony
e l o n y hhere.
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state
3
4
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . SSo
o tthey
h e y ppresent
r e s e n t that
t h a t and
a n d II
and
and I
THE
COURT:
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o o k and
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e e and
a n d II ffind
i n d it
i t is,
i s , why
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6
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7
8
T H E CCOURT:
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would
MS.
M S . GERBER:
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10
11
T H E CCOURT:
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e s . S So,
o , t hthey're
e y r e ggoing
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13
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o r not
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m y cclient's
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14
g r i d b l o c k . Those
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u n cconcurrent.
oncurrent.
gridblock.
15
16
THE C
O U R T : YYou
o u aare
r e ssaying
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e s aa G?
G ? Or
O r are
a r e you
yo u
THE
COURT:
s a y i n g he's
h e s not
n o t aa G?
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saying
17
18
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , II tthink
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e aagree
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h a t he
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MR.
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G.
19
M S . GERBER:
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k a y.
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20
MR. D
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MR.
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21
THE C
OURT: M
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i s a g r e e tthat
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THE
COURT:
Ms.
22
h e s aa G?
G?
he's
23
24
25
MS. G
E R B E R : YYeah,
e a h , I Ij just
u s t wwanted
a n t e d tto
o cclarify.
l a r i f y . II aagree,
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MS.
GERBER:
judge.
judge.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
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MS.
GERBER:
will
MS. G
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d o c t o r s clinic.
c l i n i c .The
T h e business
b u s i n e s s records
r e c o r d s that
t h a t were
w e r e voluminous
voluminous
entire
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t h i s case
c a s e show
s h o w that
t h a t actually
a c t u a l l y my
m y client
c l i e n t was
w a s not
n o t the
t h e one
o n e who
who
in
d e t e r m i n e d the
t h e price
p r i c e for
f o r every
e v e r y single
s i n g l e thing
t h i n g that
t h a t came
c a m e in
i n to
t o the
the
determined
s t o r e . Whoever
W h o e v e r signed
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d i d . And
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y o u hhave
a v e tthose
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store.
b e f o r e you.
yo u .
before
10
W h a t II ffind
i n d aamazing,
m a z i n g , aand
n d II ttruly
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r a y tthis
h i s ccourt
o u r t will
will
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11
llook
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a n d II do
d o hhave
a v e aa ffew
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i t n e s s e s tto
o ccall
a l l jjust
u s t as
as
witnesses
12
c h a r a c t e r witnesses,
w i t n e s s e s , that
t h a t Tricia
T r i c i a Gardner
G a r d n e r was
w a s just
j u s t as
a s culpable
c u l p a b l e as
as
character
13
Mr. E
s b e n s e n , hhad
a d aa pprior
r i o r cconviction
f o r manufacturing
m a n u f a c t u r i n g and
and
Mr.
Esbensen,
14
d e l i v e r y of
o f methamphetamines
m e t h a m p h e t a m i n e s within
w i t h i n five
f i v e years
y e a r s and
a n d was
w a s given
g i v e n an
an
delivery
15
i l l e g a l sentence
s e n t e n c e in
i n this
t h i s case.
c a s e . And
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t h e n registered
r e g i s t e r e d with
w i t h the
the
illegal
16
S
e c r e t a r y of
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t a t e the
t h e day
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h e rraid
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Secretary
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17
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o n v i c t i o n and
a n d a ffine
i n e and
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n o w aallowed
l l o w e d tto
o bbe
e rrunning
u n n i n g an
an O
M M P cclinic
l i n i c iin
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what
now
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19
JJudge
u d g e SSullivan
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r d e r e d , but
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i n vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f the
t h e moratorium,
moratorium,
20
and
a n d iin
n vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f exactly
e x a c t l y what
w h a t Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n is
i s claiming
c l a i m i n g Mr.
Mr.
21
E
s b e n s e n iiss doing.
doing.
Esbensen
22
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
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e . TThe
he m
oratorium
MR.
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i t y of
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a n d city
c i t y of
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a r e moratoriums
m o r a t o r i u m s on
on
24
m a r i j u a n a dispensaries
d i s p e n s a r i e s within
w i t h i n the
t h e various
v a r i o u s geographic
g e o g r a p h i c llocations
o c a t i o n s of
of
marijuana
25
t h o s e cities.
c i t i e s . And
A n d the
t h e county
c o u n t y of
o f Malheur
C o u n t y also
a l s o has
h a s aa
those
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1
2
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4
m o r a t o r i u m . But
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THE
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAlright,
l r i g h t , wwell,
e l l , II tthink
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v e kind
k i n d of
o f got
g o t ppart
art
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a h e a d Ms.
Ms. G
erber.
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MS. G
E R B E R : YYour
o u r HHonor,
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t s bbeen
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a d e cclear
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Ms.
MS.
GERBER:
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n d aapart
p a r t from
f r o m the
the
Gardner
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hes
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it.
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u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l to
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s a y that
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m y client
c l i e n t should
s h o u l d go
g o to
to
completely
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p r i s o n because
b e c a u s e he
h e so-called
s o - c a l l e d ran
r a n this
t h i s thing
t h i n g and
a n d Trish
T r i s h Gardner,
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who
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11
ran
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he m
e d i c a l cclinic
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t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
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a n d had
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a l l the
the
12
p a t i e n t records
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g e t hhis
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w a l k s out
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o f here
here
get
was
14
a f t e r a recent
r e c e n t conviction
c o n v i c t i o n for
f o r unlawful
u n l a w f u l delivery
d e l i v e r y of
of
after
15
methamphetamine
m e t h a m p h e t a m i n e aand
n d iis
s ooperating
p e r a t i n g tthis
h i s clinic,
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t h e OMMP
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16
w i t h i n 1,0
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18
e v e n kknow
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n y t h i n g in
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o tthe
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19
a n d immunities
i m m u n i t i e s clause,
c l a u s e , judge,
j u d g e , can't
c a n tbe
b e any
a n y more
more
privileges
20
v i o l a t e d in
i n this
t h i s case
c a s e by
b y Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n and
a n d how
h o w hhe
e hhas
a s eexercised
x e r c i s e d his
his
violated
21
d i s c r e t i o n in
i n pleading
p l e a d i n g every
e v e r y single
s i n g l e person
p e r s o n out,
o u t , including
i n c l u d i n g Ann
Ann
discretion
22
S
w a l l o w , who
w h o jjust
u s t rrecently
e c e n t l y took
t o o k aa deal
d e a l and
a n d was
w a s given
given a
Swallow,
23
c o n d i t i o n a l discharge.
d i s c h a r g e .Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s was
w a s given
g i v e n a deal
d e a l the
t h e morning
morning
conditional
24
o f ttrial,
r i a l , um,
u m , for
f o r aa conditional
c o n d i t i o n a l discharge
d i s c h a r g e and
a n d aa level
l e v e l 44 and
a n d walked
walked
of
25
t o o . Everybody
E v e r y b o d y hhas
a s eexcept
xcept m
y cclient.
l i e n t . And
A n d he
h e hhas
a s oone
n e cconviction,
onviction,
too.
my
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1
o n e ffelony
e l o n y cconviction
o n v i c t i o n from
f r o m 1987.
1987.
one
U m , oother
t h e r tthan
h a n that,
t h a t , you
y o u know,
k n o w , the
t h e money
m o n e y that
t h a t Mr.
Mr.
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aised
w
h a t hhe
e ffails
a i l s tto
o ttell
e l l the
t h e court
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a n d remind
r e m i n d the
the
Dugan
what
c o u r t is
i s my
m y cclient
l i e n t invested,
i n v e s t e d , and
a n d that's
t h a t sunrebuttable,
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, o v e$1
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o f hhis
i s oown
wn m
o n e y wwhen
h e n hhe
e s osold
l d h his
i s c car
a r ddealership
e a l e r s h i p i into
n t o tthis
h i s cclinic.
linic.
of
money
IIt's
t s not
n o t like
l i k e he's
h e saarich
r i c hman
m a n running
r u n n i n g around
a r o u n d and
a n d selling
s e l l i n g drugs
d r u g s to
to
e v e r y b o d y ; he
h e invested
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o v e r$1
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hats w
h y hhe
e w
r o t e cchecks
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everybody;
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wrote
b a c k tto
o hhimself
i m s e l f aand
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e v e pproved
r o v e d tthat
h a t aand
n d iit's
t s gone
g o n e uunrebutted.
nrebutted.
back
we've
A n d II jjust
u s t ccontain
o n t a i n myself
m y s e l f sometimes,
s o m e t i m e s , judge,
j u d g e , when
w h e n I hear
hear
And
10
Mr. D
u g a n aattack
ttack M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n aas
s tthis
h i s rringleader
i n g l e a d e r when
w h e n tthere
here
Mr.
Dugan
Mr.
11
w e r e oother
t h e r oowners
w n e r s hhere
e r e aand
n d tthey've
h e y v e all
a l l been
b e e n given
g i v e n offers.
o f f e r s . Um,
U m , the
the
were
12
Rhoans w
e r e ggiven
i v e n ooffers
f f e r s bbefore
e f o r e ttheir
h e i r ttrials.
r i a l s . Um,
U m , there
t h e r e has
h a s never
never
Rhoans
were
13
b e e n aan
n ooffer
f f e r tto
o m
y cclient
l i e n t oother
t h e r tthan
h a n tto
o ggo
o sstraight
t r a i g h t to
t o prison,
p r i s o n , and
and
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my
14
II jjust
u s t ddon't
o n t tthink
h i n k tthat's
h a t s appropriate.
appropriate.
15
1844
And
A n d tthe
h e oother
t h e r thing
t h i n g is,
i s , you
y o u know,
k n o w , Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n pputs
u t s iin
n his
his
16
m e m o , uum,
m , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , a and
n d i tit's
s aasside
i d e ppoint
o i n t bbut
u t IIt think
h i n k iit's
ts
memo,
17
i m p o r t a n t , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , tto
o ppoint
o i n t out
o u t for
f o r purposes
p u r p o s e s of
o f complete
c o m p l e t e lack
lack
important,
18
o f ddiscretion
i s c r e t i o n and
a n d I'll
I l l end
e n d there.
t h e r e . Is
I s that
t h a t Mr.
M r . Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , if
i f for
f o r some
some
of
19
r e a s o n Your
Your H
o n o r ffinds
i n d s he
h e sshould
h o u l d be
b e pput
u t oon
n pprobation
r o b a t i o n which
which I
reason
Honor
20
b e l i e v e is
i s the
t h e only
o n l y tthing
h i n g tthat
h a t iiss ffair
a i r in
i n this
t h i s case,
c a s e , is
i s that
t h a t he
he
believe
21
s h o u l d n thave
h a v ean
a nOMMP
O M M P card.
c a r d . Yet
Y e t Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n e-mailed
e - m a i l e d me
m e May
May
shouldn't
22
th
o f 2014
2 0 1 4 aand
n d ssaid,
a i d , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , hhaphazardly,
a p h a z a r d l y , jjust
u s t yeah,
y e a h , I think
think
7 th
of
23
T
r i s h Gardner
G a r d n e r aand
n d JJon
on T
urner m
a y hhave
a v e ssome
o m e bbut
u t II'm
m not
n o t sure,
sure,
Trish
Turner
may
24
u m , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , aand
n d II ddon't
o n t know
k n o w aabout
b o u t JJason
ason G
a r d n e r . II jjust
u s t think
think
um,
Gardner.
25
i t s incredible
i n c r e d i b l e to
t osinglehandedly
s i n g l e h a n d e d l y single
s i n g l e out
o u t one
o n e man
m a n who
w h o was
w a s the
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1
p e r s o n who
w h o iinvested
n v e s t e d his
h i s money
m o n e y iinto
n t o tthis
h i s case,
c a s e , thus
t h u s was
w a s allowed
a l l o w e d to
to
person
t a k e out
o u t checks
c h e c k s to
t o reimburse
r e i m b u r s e him
h i m for
f o r his
h i s own
o w n iinvestment;
n v e s t m e n t ; and
and
take
e v e r y b o d y , including
i n c l u d i n g Trish
T r i s h Gardner,
G a r d n e r , was
w a s found
f o u n d with
w i t h aa voluminous
voluminous
everybody,
a m o u n t ooff m
o n e y iin
n ttheir
h e i r hhomes,
o m e s , nnot
o t jjust
u s t Mr.
Mr. E
sbensen.
amount
money
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i n g l e pperson
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a s pplead
l e a d gguilty
u i l t y iin
n tthis
h i s case
case
Every
a n d ggotten
o t t e n these
t h e s e amazing
a m a z i n g deals,
d e a l s , um,
u m , had
h a d money
m o n e y or
o r guns
g u n s oorr oother
ther
and
drugs,
d r u g s , including
i n c l u d i n g mushrooms
m u s h r o o m s aand
n d oother
t h e r ttypes
y p e s ooff tthings
h i n g s iin
n ttheir
heir
h o m e s dduring
u r i n g tthe
h e search
s e a r c h warrants.
w a r r a n t s . And
A n d nothing
n o t h i n g was
w a s found
f o u n d in
i n my
my
homes
client's
c l i e n t shome
h o m e in
i n Idaho,
I d a h o , nothing,
n o t h i n g , um,
u m , except
e x c e p t ffor
o r aantique
n t i q u e ffirearms
irearms
10
t h a t his
h i s father
f a t h e r provided
p r o v i d e d to
t o him.
h i m . There
T h e r e was
w a s no
n o marijuana.
m a r i j u a n a . And
A n d the
the
that
11
o n l y tthing
h i n g that
t h a t was
w a s found
f o u n d was
w a s money
m o n e y tthat
h a t he
h e said
s a i d he
h e was
w a s ssaving,
aving,
only
12
a f t e r reimbursing
r e i m b u r s i n g himself,
h i m s e l f , which
w h i c h I kknow
n o w tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t ddidn't
i d n t find
find
after
13
c r e d i b l e , but
b u t I have
have w
i t n e s s e s tto
o ttestify
e s t i f y tto
o hhis
i s ccharacter,
haracter,
credible,
witnesses
14
i n c l u d i n g a ppolice
o l i c e officer
o f f i c e r here
h e r e today,
t o d a y , who
who w
i l l ssay
a y tthat
h a t hhe
e ddidn't
idnt
including
will
15
d o tthis
h i s just
j u s t for
f o r money.
m o n e y.
do
16
U m , bbut
u t iit's
t s incredible
i n c r e d i b l e to
t o me
m e that
t h a t the
t h e state
s t a t e would
w o u l d want
want
Um,
17
25 m
o n t h s ffor
o r Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n for
f o r aa conviction
c o n v i c t i o nfrom
f r o m1987
1 9 8 7 and
a n d give
give
25
months
18
t h e s e other
o t h e r people
p e o p l e with
w i t h aa much
much m
o r e hheinous
e i n o u s ccriminal
r i m i n a l hhistory
istory
these
more
19
i n ffact
a c t I'll
I l l stop
s t o p after
a f t e rthis,
t h i s ,but
b u tTrish
T r i s hGardner
G a r d n e r had
h a d aa pending
p e n d i n g felony
felony
in
20
t h e f t when
w h e n she
she w
a s bbrought
r o u g h t oover
v e r hhere
e r e aand
n d tthat
hat w
a s ccivilly
ivilly
theft
was
was
21
c o m p r o m i s e d aafter
f t e r she
s h e already
a l r e a d y had
h a d aa civil
c i v i l compromise
c o m p r o m i s e and
a n d aa
compromised
22
ffelony,
e l o n y , ID
I D ttheft,
h e f t , which
w h i c h we
w e bboth
o t h kknow
n o w ccan't
a n t happen.
h a p p e n . So
S o this
t h i s is
i s aa
23
woman w
h o s rrunning
u n n i n g rampant
r a m p a n t through
t h r o u g h the
t h e city
c i t y doing
d o i n g what
w h a t she
she
woman
who's
24
w a n t s while
w h i l e Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n iiss aasking
s k i n g to
t o go
g o tto
o pprison
r i s o n and
a n d bbeing
e i n g ttold
old
wants
Esbensen
25
h e s going
g o i n g to
t o prison.
prison.
he's
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1
S
o , jjudge,
u d g e , tthere's
h e r e s no
n o basis,
b a s i s , II would
w o u l d suggest
s u g g e s t after
a f t e r you
yo u
So,
h e a r some
s o m e oof
f tthe
h e ccharacter
h a r a c t e r witnesses
w i t n e s s e s on
o n behalf
b e h a l f of
o f my
m y cclient,
l i e n t , um,
um,
hear
of M
r. D
u g a n s oopinion
p i n i o n tto
o rraise
a i s e the
t h e racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g to
t o aa level
l e v e l 8.
8 . Um,
Um,
of
Mr.
Dugan's
t h e y v e admitted
a d m i t t e d all
a l l the
t h e underlying
u n d e r l y i n g charges
c h a r g e s are
a r e level
l e v e l 4.
4 . Everybody
Eve ryb o dy
they've
h a s ggotten
o t t e n off
o f f with
w i t h just
j u s t aa discharge
d i s c h a r g e and
a n d aa fine
f i n e payable
p a y a b l e to
t o the
t h e DA
DA
has
o r ssheriff,
h e r i f f , and
a n d my
m y cclient
l i e n t iiss iiff aappropriately
p p r o p r i a t e l y sentenced
s e n t e n c e d at
a t aa level
level 4
4
or
i n tthe
h e rracketeering,
a c k e t e e r i n g , which
w h i c h is
i s presumptively
p r e s u m p t i v e l y what
w h a t the
t h e case
c a s e law
l a w has
has
in
h e l d these
t h e s e should
s h o u l d be
b e done
done w
h e n tthe
h e uunderlying
n d e r l y i n g ooffenses
f f e n s e s are
a r e the
the
held
when
s a m e ggridblock,
r i d b l o c k , II would
w o u l d ask
a s k you
y o u tto
o ggive
i v e hhim
i m tthe
h e ssame
a m e ccourtesy.
o u rt e sy.
same
10
B e c a u s e other
o t h e r than
t h a n out
o u t of
o f Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n s mouth
m o u t h aand
n d hhis
i s ppersonal
ersonal
Because
Dugan's
11
ffeeling
e e l i n g for
f o r Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n tthere's
h e r e s no
n o evidence
e v i d e n c e that
t h a t he
h e was
w a s alone
a l o n e in
in
12
t h i s and
a n d intended
i n t e n d e d to
t o do
d o anything
a n y t h i n g wrong
w r o n g whatsoever.
w h a t s o e v e r . Um,
U m , II would
would
this
13
p r a y , Your
Your H
o n o r , rreally
e a l l y ttake
a k e tthat
h a t into
i n t o consideration
c o n s i d e r a t i o n when
w h e n you
y o u are
are
pray,
Honor,
14
i m p o s i n g ssentence
e n t e n c e today.
t o da y.
imposing
15
U m , tthe
h e llast
a s t tthing
hing I w
o u l d aargue
r g u e jjust
u s t ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord
e c o r d only,
o n l y,
Um,
would
16
Your H
o n o r , uum,
m , iis
s tthe
h e eex
x ppost
o s t ffacto
a c t o ppart
a r t of
o f tthis,
h i s , um,
u m , that
t h a t when
when
Your
Honor,
17
t h e r e s an
a n ex
e x post
p o s t facto
f a c t o application
a p p l i c a t i o n II would
w o u l d ask
a s k that
t h a t the
t h e ex
e x post
post
there's
18
ffacto
a c t o clause
c l a u s e of
o f the
t h e constitution
c o n s t i t u t i o n apply
a p p l y to
t o my
m y client
c l i e n t based
b a s e d on
o n the
the
19
n e w llaw
a w tthat
hat w
a s ccurrently
u r r e n t l y ppassed;
a s s e d ; that
t h a t this
t h i s would
w o u l d simply
s i m p l y be
b e aa
new
was
20
v i o l a t i o n . Um,
U m , ex
e x post
p o s t ffacto
a c t o only
o n l y aapplies
p p l i e s when
w h e n iitt bbenefits
e n e f i t s aa
violation.
21
d e f e n d a n t . And
A n d II would
w o u l d ask
a s k the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o apply
a p p l y the
t h e new
n e w law
l a w to
t o my
my
defendant.
22
c l i e n t in
i n an
a n ex
e x ppost
o s t ffacto
a c t o ffashion
a s h i o n bbecause
e c a u s e iitt w
i l l benefit
b e n e f i t him.
him.
client
will
23
A n y b o d y ddoing
o i n g tthis
h i s nnow
ow w
o u l d gget
e t aa vviolation
i o l a t i o n when
w h e n as
a s oopposed
p p o s e d to
to
Anybody
would
24
my
wants
m y cclient,
l i e n t , Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan w
a n t s to
t o send
s e n d him
h i m tto
o pprison.
r i s o n . Um,
U m , and
a n d with
with
25
t h a t Your
Y o u r Honor
H o n o r uunless
n l e s s yyou
o u hhave
a v e aany
n y sspecific
p e c i f i c qquestions
u e s t i o n s for
f o r me,
me,
that
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1
u m , II'm
m just
j u s t didn't
d i d n tknow
k n o w when
w h e n you
y o u wanted
w a n t e d me
m e tto
o ccall
a l l any
any
urn,
w i t n e s s e s to
t o make
m a k e aany
n y qquick
u i c k sstatements.
tatements.
witnesses
THE C
O U R T : IIwwant
a n t t to
o hhear
e a r ffrom
rom M
r . KKiyuna
i y u n a ffirst.
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THE
COURT:
Mr.
MS.
GERBER:
Okay,
Your
Honor.
MS. G
ERBER: O
k a y , tthank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
onor.
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUrn,
m , ookay,
k a y , t thank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
udge. C
o u l d II jjust
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MR.
KIYUNA:
Could
h a v e oone
n e ssecond?
e c o n d ? I nneed
e e d tto
o ask
a s k Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n aa qquestion,
u e s t i o n , okay?
o k a y ? This
This
have
Dugan
will
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e r y bbrief.
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8
9
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , wwe're
e r e ggoing
o i n g tto
o bbe
e oon
n aa bbrief
r i e f rrecess
ecess
THE
COURT:
w h i l e you
y o u ttake
a k e tthat,
h a t , okay?
o k a y?
while
10
(RECESS)
(RECESS)
11
MR. D
UGAN: M
s . GGerber's
e r b e r s nnot
o t hhere
e r e Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
MR.
DUGAN:
Ms.
12
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , wwell
e l l wwe'll
ell w
a i t aa m
inute.
THE
wait
minute.
13
MR. D
U G A N : SShe's
h e s hhere
e r e Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
MR.
DUGAN:
14
THE C
O U R T : AAlright.
lright.
THE
COURT:
15
16
ARGUMENT
THE
A R G U M E N T FOR
FO R T
H E DEFENSE
D E F E N S E BY
B Y GARY
G A R Y KIYUNA
KIYUNA
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , jjudge,
udge, w
e
y cclient
l i e n t aand
nd M
r . Dugan,
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MR.
KIYUNA:
we
m
my
Mr.
17
u m , iironed
r o n e d oout
u t aa ffew
e w ddetails
e t a i l s here
h e r e and
a n d in
i n exchange
e x c h a n g e for
f o r my
m y cclient
lient
urn,
18
a g r e e i n g for
f o r a level
l e v e l 8,
8 , he's
h e s going
g o i n g to
t o recommend
r e c o m m e n d downward
downward
agreeing
19
d e p a r t u r e on
o n his
h i s 81
8 I ggridblock.
ridblock.
departure
20
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : AAlright.
lright.
21
MR. K
I Y U N A : AAnd,
n d , uuh,
h , l elet's
t s ssee
ee
e l l aactually,
c t u a l l y , you
yo u
MR.
KIYUNA:
wwell
22
k n o w aa llot
o t ooff tthis
his
tthis
h i s segment
s e g m e n t of
o f argument
a r g u m e n t II was
w a s going
g o i n g to
t o be
be
know
23
a r g u i n g for
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t h e , urn,
u m , llevel
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4 ggridblock
r i d b l o c k iin
n tterms
e r m s ooff ccrime
r i m e sseverity
everity
arguing
24
b u t tthat
h a t iissue's
s s u e s pretty
p r e t t y much
m u c h resolved.
resolved.
but
25
o hhave
a v e aa ccouple
o u p l e oof
fw
itnesses w
i t h rregard
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t o the
t h e next
next
I ddo
witnesses
with
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1
p h a s e . Urn,
U m , nnow
o w j just
u s t sso
o II'm
m cclear
l e a r hhere,
e r e , oour
u r ccurrent
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p h a s e of
of
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argument w
a s tthat
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o bbe
e pprimarily
r i m a r i l y oon
n tthe
h e ggridblock?
ridblock?
argument
was
THE C
OURT: A
nd w
h a t yyou
ou w
ant.
THE
COURT:
And
what
want.
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : I I'm
m ssorry,
o r r y , IIccouldn't
o u l d n t hear
h e a r you.
yo u .
THE C
OURT: A
nd w
h a t yyou
ou w
ant.
THE
COURT:
And
what
want.
MR.
Okay.
M R . KIYUNA:
KIYUNA: O
ka y.
THE C
O U R T : YYou
o u kknow,
n o w , IImmean
e a n uultimately
ltimately w
h a t are
a r e you
yo u
THE
COURT:
what
s e e k i n g for?
f o r ? II mean
m e a n II
IIhhave
a v e ffrom
rom M
r. D
u g a n tthat
h a t ffrom
r o m Count
Count 2
2
seeking
Mr.
Dugan
b a s i c a l l y seeking
s e e k i n g 21
2 1 to
t o 22
2 2 months
m o n t h s of
o f custody
c u s t o d y for
f o r Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
E s b e n s e n . He
He
basically
10
h a d ttold
o l d me
m e ffrom
r o m tthe
h e bbeginning
e g i n n i n g he
h e was
w a s ookay
kay w
i t h yyour
o u r cclient
lient
had
with
11
receiving a
a ddispositional
i s p o s i t i o n a l departure.
d e p a r t u r e . Ms.
M s . Gerber
G e r b e r has
h a s iindicated
n d i c a t e d that
that
receiving
12
e v e r y t h i n g should
s h o u l d be
b e at
a t a 4,
4 , which
which w
o u l d bbe
e aa pprobationary
robationary
everything
would
13
s e n t e n c e and
a n d tthat
h a t tthe
h e ffirst
i r s t three
t h r e e counts,
c o u n t s , she
s h e agreed,
a g r e e d , would
w o u l d also
also
sentence
14
m e r g e ; aand
n d tthen
h e n tthe
h e oother
t h e r ccounts
o u n t s aare
r e jjust,
u s t , tthey're
h e y r e whatever
whatever
merge;
15
c o u n t s , the
t h e 88 counts,
c o u n t s , that
t h a the
h e has.
h a s .So
S o II wanted
w a n t e d to
t o know
k n o w what
w h a t you
yo u
counts,
16
wanted.
wanted.
17
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , wwell
e l l j judge,
u d g e , II ccertainly
e r t a i n l y would
w o u l d agree
agree
MR.
KIYUNA:
18
w i t h tthe
he m
e r g e r iissues
s s u e s tthere.
h e r e . Urn,
U m , oobviously
bviously m
y cclient's
l i e n t s record
record
with
merger
my
19
s p e a k s for
f o r itself.
i t s e l f . Urn,
U m , he
h e has
h a s nno
o ccriminal
r i m i n a l rrecord.
e c o r d . During
D u r i n g the
the
speaks
20
c o u r s e of
o f oour
u r ttrial
r i a l I think
t h i n k it
i t became
b e c a m e ppretty
r e t t y apparent
a p p a r e n t that
t h a t my
m y cclient
lient
course
21
w a s aa ffamily
amily m
a n , uurn,
m , hhe's
e s a working
w o r k i n g person,
p e r s o n , urn,
u m , he
h e had
h a d very
very
was
man,
22
s t r o n g personal
p e r s o n a l reasons
r e a s o n s as
a s to
t o why
w h y he
h e ggot
o t iinvolved
n v o l v e d with
w i t h medical
medical
strong
23
c a n n a b i s tto
o sstart
t a r t with.
with.
cannabis
24
25
A n d , uurn,
m , aand
n d ffinancially
i n a n c i a l l y it
i t was
was
iitt w
a s ppretty
r e t t y cclear
lear
And,
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t h a t he
he
w
h e n tthe
h e eeconomy
c o n o m y wwent
e n t bbad
a d aand
n d hhe
e sstarted
tarted w
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that
when
withdrawing
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1
h i s ppension
e n s i o n ffrom
r o m tthe
h e ppipe
i p e ffitter's
i t t e r s union,
u n i o n , uh,
u h , he
h e had
h a d tto
o rrelocate
e l o c a t e his
his
his
ffamily
a m i l y from
f r o m Nevada
N e v a d a to
t o this
t h i sarea.
a r e a Um,
. U m ,he
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t o o k$1
$ 10,0
0 , 000 00 ooff tthose
hose
d o l l a r s and
a n d the
t h e thought
t h o u g h t was
w a s that
t h a t marijuana
m a r i j u a n a was
w a s going
g o i n g to
t o become
become
dollars
llegal
e g a l in
i n the
t h e state
s t a t e of
o f Oregon.
O r e g o n . There
T h e r e was
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p , II bbelieve.
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p u r c h a s e of
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k n o w n as
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a l e s Meat
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purchase
Dale's
M a r k e t , that
t h a t became
b e c a m e the
t h e 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l club.
c l u b . Um,
U m , and
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Dr.
Group
was
medical
11
H a t l e s t a d over
o v e r from
f r o m Portland
P o r t l a n d once
o n c e aa month
m o n t h for
f o r two
t w o or
o r three
t h r e e days
d a ys
Hatlestad
12
w h e r e hhe
e w
ould m
e e t wwith
ith m
e d i c a l ppatients
a t i e n t s aand
n d vview
i e w ttheir
h e i r rrecords
ecords
where
would
meet
medical
13
t o determine
d e t e r m i n e whether
w h e t h e r or
o r not
n o t they
t h e y would
would
tthey
h e y ccould
o u l d ffall
a l l in
i n the
the
to
14
m e d i c a l marijuana
m a r i j u a n a act
a c t and
a n d bbecome
ecome m
e d i c a l ccannabis
a n n a b i s ccardholders.
ardholders.
medical
medical
15
H e sspent
p e n t qquite
u i t e aa llot
o t ooff ttime
ime w
i t h tthat
h a t eentity.
n t i t y . The
The
He
with
16
t e s t i m o n y pretty
p r e t t y clearly
c l e a r l y was
w a s that
t h a t primarily
p r i m a r i l yMr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s and
a n d Ms.
Ms.
testimony
17
G a r d n e r aand
nd D
r . HHatlestad
a t l e s t a d rran
a n tthat
h a t pportion,
o r t i o n , tthat
h a t pparticular
articular
Gardner
Dr.
18
ffunction.
u n c t i o n . Whether
W h e t h e r or
o r not
n o t a patient
p a t i e n t chose
c h o s e to
t o join
j o i n the
t h e club
c l u b was
w a s aa
19
c o m p l e t e l y ddifferent
i f f e r e n t issue;
i s s u e ; not
n o t every
e v e r y person
p e r s o n did.
did.
completely
20
U m , tthere
h e r e aare
re m
a n y iissues
ssues w
i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o m
i t i g a t i o n in
in
Um,
many
with
mitigation
21
t e r m s ooff m
y cclient.
lient. C
e r t a i n l y his
h i s lack
l a c k of
o f aa ccriminal
r i m i n a l hhistory
i s t o r y is
i s one.
one.
terms
my
Certainly
22
U m , tthe
h e ffact
a c t that,
t h a t , well,
w e l l , arguably
a r g u a b l y he
h e was
was
hhe
e w
a s llesser
e s s e r iinvolved
nvolved
Um,
was
23
i n tterms
e r m s ooff tthe
h e ddecision
e c i s i o n making
m a k i n g iin
n tthis
h i s ooperation;
p e r a t i o n ; and
a n d his
h i s time
time
in
24
w a s ssplit
p l i t between
b e t w e e n tthe
h e cclinic
l i n i c with
w i t h Dr.
Dr. H
a t l e s t a d and
a n d tthe
h e cclub.
lub.
was
Hatlestad
25
U m , tthere
h e r e iiss aalso
l s o aanother
n o t h e r issue
i s s u e in
i n that
t h a t the
t h e harm
h a r m or
or
Um,
1849

1
p e r c e i v e d harm
h a r m in
i n this
t h i s enterprise
e n t e r p r i s e was
w a s less
l e s s than
t h a n normal.
n o r m a l . And
A n d what
what I
perceived
mean
m e a n bby
y t that,
h a t , sspecifically,
p e c i f i c a l l y , is
i s normally
n o r m a l l y aa ccriminal
r i m i n a l eenterprise
n t e r p r i s e that
that
c o m p r i s e s a racketeering
r a c k e t e e r i n g endeavor,
e n d e a v o r , the
t h e goal
g o a l is
i smoney,
m o n e y , you
y o u know?
know?
comprises
Al C
a p o n e ddoes
o e s nnot
o t llive
i v e hhere.
ere. H
e ddoes
o e s nnot
o t ssit
i t hhere
e r e aat
t tthis
h i s ttable.
able.
Al
Capone
He
W e aare
r e nnot
o t llooking
o o k i n g at
a t a figure
f i g u r e such
s u c h as
a s that.
t h a t .We
W e are
a r e
we
w e are
are
We
c l e a r l y , through
t h r o u g h the
t h e course
c o u r s e of
o f our
o u r trial
t r i a l and
a n d I think
t h i n k the
t h e court
court
clearly,
r e c o g n i z e s that,
t h a t , um,
u m , my
m y client
c l i e n t was
w a s operating
o p e r a t i n g under
u n d e r aa
well
w e l l in
i n aa
recognizes
c l o u d y ggrayish
r a y i s h llegal
e g a l aarea.
r e a . Um,
U m , tthe
h e eenabling
n a b l i n g sstatutes
t a t u t e s under
u n d e r the
the
cloudy
Oregon M
e d i c a l Marijuana
M a r i j u a n a Act
A c t was
w a s very
v e r y ffuzzy.
u z z y . Um,
U m , tthe
he A
ttorney
Oregon
Medical
Attorney
10
G e n e r a l hherself
e r s e l f indicated
i n d i c a t e d such
s u c h to
t o senators
s e n a t o r s and
a n d the
t h e Oregon
Oregon
General
11
llegislature.
egislature.
12
A n d SStormy
tormy R
a y, w
ho w
a s oone
n e oof
f tthe
he m
o v e r s aand
n d sshakers
hakers
And
Ray,
who
was
movers
13
t o get
g e t Oregon
Oregon M
e d i c a l Marijuana
A c t signed
s i g n e d into
i n t o law
l a w gave
gave
to
Medical
14
testimony w
i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o tthe
h e ddifficulties
i f f i c u l t i e s in
i n terms
t e r m s of
o f tthe
h e sstatutory
tatutory
testimony
with
15
llanguage.
a n g u a g e . Um,
U m , sshe
h e iindicated
t h a t she
s h e was
w a s on
o n the
t h e board
b o a r d for
f o r the
the
16
m a r i j u a n a program
p r o g r a m and
a n d tthat
h a t she
s h e hhad
a d hhad
a d cconversations
onversations
medical
17
w i t h tthe
he A
ttorney G
e n e r a l s office
o f f i c e and
a n d others
o t h e r s to
t o fix
f i x aa lot
l o t of
o f the
the
with
Attorney
General's
18
a m b i g u i t i e s in
i n the
t h e then
t h e n current
c u r r e n t law.
l a w . The
T h e result
r e s u l t of
o f that
t h a t was
w a s House
House
ambiguities
19
B i l l 33 44660,
0 , oof
f ccourse,
ourse, w
h i c h ffixed
ixed
f ifixed
x e d t hthose
o s e aambiguities
m b i g u i t i e s and
and
Bill
which
20
e s s e n t i a l l y allowed,
a l l o w e d , um,
u m , or
o r legalized,
l e g a l i z e d , um,
u m , removed
r e m o v e d the
t h e ambiguity
ambiguity
essentially
21
w i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o ooperations
p e r a t i o n s llike
i k e tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l club.
club.
with
22
U m , tthe
h e ddifficult
i f f i c u l t legal
l e g a l position
p o s i t i o n II feel
f e e l that
t h a t exists
e x i s t s now
n o w in
in
Um,
23
t h i s case
c a s e for
f o r my
m y cclient
l i e n t iis
s tthat
h a t he's
h e s really
r e a l l y being
b e i n g sentenced
s e n t e n c e d on
o n aa
this
24
d e a d lletter
e t t e r of
o f law.
l a w . Um,
U m , if
i f they
t h e y were
w e r e in
i n operation
o p e r a t i o n now
n o w under
u n d e r House
House
dead
25
B i l l 3460
3 4 6 0 wwe
e
e wwouldn't
o u l d n t hhave
ave
e l l , t there
h e r e jjust
ust w
o u l d n t be
b e aa
Bill
wwe
wwell,
wouldn't
1850

1
prosecution.
prosecution.
THE
iis
much
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I Is
s i it
t mmuch
u c h ddifferent
ifferent
s iit
t m
u c h ddifferent
ifferent
ffrom
r o m having
h a v i n g a young
you n g m
an w
h o hhad
a d ssex
ex w
i t h ssomeone
o m e o n e uunder
n d e r the
t h e age
age
man
who
with
o f 117,
7 , tthen
h e n the
t h e victim
v i c t i m turned
t u r n e d 18
1 8 and
a n d he
h e continued
c o n t i n u e d to
t o have
h a v e sex
s e x with
with
of
t h e m ? II kknow
n o w t that
h a t tthere's
h e r e s a change
c h a n g e iin
n tthe
h e llaw;
a w ; bbut
u t tthe
h e ffactual
actual
them?
t h i n g s suddenly
s u d d e n l y takes
t a k e s something
s o m e t h i n g out
o u t of
o f the
t h e
out
o u t of
o f being
b e i n g aa
things
c r i m e . Is
I s there
t h e r e much
m u c h ddifference
i f f e r e n c e between
b e t w e e n those?
those?
crime.
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , I It hthink,
i n k , jjudge...
udge...
MR.
KIYUNA:
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWasn't
a s n t iit
t aa ccrime
r i m e aat
t tthe
h e ttime
i m e tthat
h a t the
t h e sex
sex
THE
10
o c c u r r e d underage
u n d e r a g e just
j u s t as
a s because
b e c a u s e the
t h e law
l a w had
h a d not
n o t passed
p a s s e d at
a t the
the
occurred
11
t i m e was
w a s aa ccrime
r i m e aatt tthe
h e ttime
i m e oof
f tthese
h e s e aacts?
cts?
time
12
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , wwhether
h e t h e r oor
r nnot
o t tthe
h e aact
c t was
w a s aa ccrime
r i m e in
in
MR.
KIYUNA:
13
t e r m s ooff tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l group
g r o u p operation
o p e r a t i o n was
w a s eextremely
xtremely
terms
14
ambiguous.
ambiguous.
15
16
MR. D
U G A N : NNo,
o , i it
t wwas
a s nnot
o t aambiguous
m b i g u o u s aatt aall,
l l , Your
Your
MR.
DUGAN:
Honor. Y
o u ccannot
a n n o t ssell
ell m
arijuana.
Honor.
You
marijuana.
17
MR.
KIYUNA:
Well...
MR. K
IYUNA: W
ell...
18
THE
THE C
COURT:
OURT: W
Well,
e l l , II'm
m aasking
s k i n g Mr.
Mr. K
Kiyuna.
i yu n a .
19
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
20
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I Immean
e a n u ultimately
l t i m a t e l y II've
v e aalready
l r e a d y made
m a d e tthat
hat
THE
21
determination...
determination...
22
MR.
KIYUNA:
Right.
MR. K
IYUNA: R
ight.
23
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....that
. t h a t iitt w
a s n t ambiguous
a m b i g u o u s and
a n d tthat
h a t it
i t was
was
THE
wasn't
24
t h e law
l a w ooff tthe
h e lland.
a n d . I just
j u s t wanted
w a n t e d to
t o know
k n o w ffrom
rom M
r. K
iyu n a s
the
Mr.
Kiyuna's
25
a r g u m e n t hhow
o w t that's
h a t s ddifferent.
ifferent.
argument
1851

1
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , wwell,
e l l , iin
n tterms
e r m s oof...
f...
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : YYou're
o u r e jjust
u s t ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t it
i t was
w a s ambiguous
ambiguous
THE
a n d sso
o II sshouldn't
h o u l d n t hold
h o l d your
y o u r client
c l i e n t as
a s accountable
a c c o u n t a b l e as
a s someone
someone
and
h a v i n g sex
s e x with
w i t h someone
s o m e o n e under
u n d e r the
t h e age
a g e of
o f 18
1 8 that
t h a t they
t h e y knew
k n e w were
were
having
a s uunder
n d e r 118,
8 , iis
s tthat
h a t rright?
ight?
as
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , yyes.
e s . AAnd
n d yyour
o u r eexample,
x a m p l e , tthough,
h o u g h , of
of
MR.
KIYUNA:
c o u r s e there's
t h e r e saa victim
v i c t i min
i nyour
y o u r example.
e x a m p l e . Uh,
U h , in
i n the
t h e
for
f o r our
our
course
s i t u a t i o n there
t h e r e is
i s no
n o victim.
v i c t i m . Um,
U m , aall
l l tthe
h e iindividuals
n d i v i d u a l s tthat
h a t received
received
situation
m a r i j u a n a from
f r o m tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l group
g r o u p ddid
i d sso
o vvoluntarily,
o l u n t a ri l y,
medical
10
they w
e r e aall
ll m
e d i c a l ppatients
a t i e n t s with
w i t h chronic
c h r o n i c and
a n d acute
a c u t e medical
medical
they
were
medical
11
c o n d i t i o n s , they
t h e y were
w e r e under
u n d e r physicians
p h y s i c i a n s care
c a r e and
a n d their
t h e i r records
r e c o r d s were
were
conditions,
12
r e v i e w e d by
by D
r. H
a t l e s t a d , who
w h o was
was a
s aan
n OOregon
r e g o n ccertified
ertified
reviewed
Dr.
Hatlestad,
iis
13
m e d i c a l doctor.
d o c t o r . He
H e was
was m
e d i c a l examiner
e x a m i n e r for
f o r Deschutes
D e s c h u t e s County
County
medical
medical
14
a n d hhe
e ssaw
a w tthe
h e bbad
a d eeffects
f f e c t s and
a n d ddeaths
e a t h s that
t h a t occurred
o c c u r r e d when
w h e n he
h e was
was
and
15
p e r f o r m i n g autopsies
a u t o p s i e s for
f o r people
p e o p l e that
t h a t overdosed
o v e r d o s e d themselves
t h e m s e l v e s using
using
performing
16
p r e s c r i p t i o n medications;
m e d i c a t i o n s ;that
t h a twas
w a s one
o n e of
o f the
t h e reasons
r e a s o n s he
h e was
w a s in
in
prescription
17
s u p p o r t of
o f iindividuals
n d i v i d u a l s resorting
r e s o r t i n g to
t o the
t h e use
u s e of
o f medical
medical m
arijuana;
support
marijuana;
18
u h , bbecause
e c a u s e tthe
h e ddeath
e a t h tthreat,
h r e a t , with
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o overdosing,
o v e r d o s i n g , did
d i d not
not
uh,
19
exist.
exist.
20
A n d aas
s hhe
e iindicated,
n d i c a t e d , tthe
h e ppatients
a t i e n t s that
t h a t he
h e saw
s a w averaged
a v e r a g e d in
in
And
21
a g e between
b e t w e e n 50
5 0 and
a n d 60
6 0 years
y e a r s of
o f age.
a g e . Um,
U m , there
t h e r eare
a r e4411 88 m
edical
age
medical
22
m a r i j u a n a card
c a r d users
u s e r s on
o n rrecord,
e c o r d , uh,
uh, w
i t h tthe
h e sstate
t a t e in
i n tthis
h i s county.
c o u n t y.
marijuana
with
23
A n d , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , aaccording
c c o r d i n g tto
oD
r. H
a t l e s t a d most
m o s t ooff tthose
h o s e people
people
And,
Dr.
Hatlestad
24
w o u l d bbe
e bbetween
e t w e e n 550
0 aand
n d 660.
0 . SSo
o II w
o u l d ssay,
a y, w
e l l aas
s iinsofar
n s o f a r as
as
would
would
well
25
p u r e iintent,
n t e n t , um,
u m , my
m y cclient
l i e n t did
d i d not
n o t iintend
n t e n d to
t o violate
v i o l a t e the
t h e laws
l a w s of
o f the
the
pure
1852

1
s t a t e of
o f Oregon.
O r e g o n . I rrealize
e a l i z e that
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t has
h a s made
m a d e a ruling
r u l i n g on
o n tthat
hat
state
but
mind,
motivations,
b u t I tthink
h i n k tthat
h a t his
h i s frame
f r a m e of
of m
i n d , hhis
is m
o t i v a t i o n s , are
a r e very
very
c r i t i c a l to
t o what
w h a t we
w e are
a r e doing
d o i n g here
h e r e today.
t o d a y . He
H e had
h a d nno
o iintent
n t e n t to
to
critical
commit
c o m m i t rracketeering.
a c k e t e e r i n g . He
H e had
h a d no
n o iintent
n t e n t to
t o make
m a k e himself
h i m s e l f rich.
r i c h . He
He
llives
i v e s in
i n aa very
v e r y modest
m o d e s t home
h o m e purchased
p u r c h a s e dfor
f o rabout
a b o u $4
t $ 40,0
0 , 000 0
0 iin
n the
the
s t a t e of
of
iin
n O
ntario. A
n d , uum,
m , jjudge,
u d g e , aas
s iindicated
n d i c a t e d um,
u m , tthis
his
state
Ontario.
And,
g e n t l e m a n even
e v e n ffiled
i l e d tax
t a x returns
r e t u r n s with
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o the
t h e money
m o n e y that
t h a t he
he
gentleman
r e c e i v e d from
f r o m tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel.
a r a l l e l . Exhibit
E x h i b i t 192,
1 9 2 , ttrial
r i a l eexhibit
x h i b i t 192,
192,
received
w a s aa llist
i s t of
o f various
v a r i o u s checks
c h e c k s on
on
ddrawn
r a w n oon
n tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
arallel
was
10
C o m p a s s i o n Group
G r o u p account.
a c c o u n t . Um,
U m , aa number
n u m b e r of
o f which
w h i c h were
w e r e to
t o my
my
Compassion
11
c l i e n t and
a n d tthey
h e y iindicated
n d i c a t e d ppretty
r e t t y cclearly
l e a r l y that,
t h a t , um,
u m , aa ssignificant
ignificant
client
12
a m o u n t oof
f tthose
h o s e cchecks
hecks w
e r e cclearly
l e a r l y ddesignated
e s i g n a t e d as
a s reimbursement
reimbursement
amount
were
13
to
with
t o hhim
im w
i t h rregard...
egard...
14
THE C
O U R T : LLet
et m
e
et m
e
et m
e jjust
u s t kkind
i n d of
of
THE
COURT:
me
l let
me
l let
me
15
j u m p tto
o tthis
h i s sso
o eeveryone
v e r y o n e uunderstands.
n d e r s t a n d s . I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o have
h a v e to
to
jump
16
d e t e r m i n e if
i f it's
i t san
a n88 or
o r aa 4.
4 . If
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i t saa44Mr.
M r . Kangas
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w i l l be
b e at
a t aa 4
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17
r e g a r d l e s s ooff tthe
h e sstipulation.
tipulation.
regardless
18
MR.
M R . KIYUNA:
KIYUNA: O
Okay.
k a y.
19
T H E CCOURT:
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n 88,, tthen
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o u aalready
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20
d i s p o s i t i o n a l end.
e n d . II guess
g u e s s the
t h e bottom
b o t t o m line
l i n e I'm
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l o o k i n g at
a t is
i s what
what
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21
a r e you
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o r your
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l i e n t if
i f he's
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a n 8,
8 , with
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are
22
d i s p o s i t i o n . What
W h a t are
a r e you
y o u looking
l o o k i n g for?
for?
disposition.
23
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , wwell
e l l II'm...
m...
MR.
KIYUNA:
24
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : BBecause
e c a u s e I I'm
m ssorry
o r r y ffor
o r iinterrupting
n t e r r u p t i n g you
y o u but
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25
II've
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a l l of
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d e g r e e and
a n d I uunderstand
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1
y o u r e bringing
b r i n g i n g up
u p points.
p o i n t s . But
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s i n c e I kknow
now w
h a t t the
h e sstate's
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w h a t yyou're
o u r e looking
l o o k i n g ffor.
or.
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , wwell
e l l oobviously
b v i o u s l y pprobation,
r o b a t i o n , judge.
j u d g e . My
My
MR.
KIYUNA:
c l i e n t is
i s not
n o t an
a n individual,
i n d i v i d u a l , um,
u m , that
t h a t needs
n e e d s or
o r deserves
d e s e r v e s punishment.
punishment.
client
U m , hhis
i s aactions
c t i o n s rresulted
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n m
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a r i j u a n a ppatients
a t i e n t s getting
g e t t i n g the
the
Um,
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marijuana
m e d i c i n e that
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w a n t e d bbut
u t nneeded.
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m , II ddon't
o n t tthink
hink
medicine
Um,
t h a t there's
t h e r e s any
a n y question
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a b o u t tthat.
hat.
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s aa
e i sisaas solid
o l i d ccitizen,
i t i z e n , aa ccontributing
o n t r i b u t i n g ccitizen.
i t i z e n . He
He
He
hhe
h a s aa w
i f e aand
n d tthree
h r e e cchildren?
hildren?
has
wife
10
M R . KANGAS:
KANGAS: T
wo.
MR.
Two.
11
MR. K
I Y U N A : TTwo
w o c children.
hildren. H
e iis
s aan
n iintegral
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MR.
KIYUNA:
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12
i n t e g r a l , but
b u t vital
v i t a lpart
p a r tof
o fPayette
P a y e t t eRock
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w o r k s . One
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the
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13
o w n e r s aand
n d hhis
i s bboss
o s s iis
s hhere
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o ggive
i v e ttestimony
estimony w
i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o tthat.
hat.
owners
with
14
U m , aand
n d II
e
e j ujust
s t d doesn't
oesnt
e s nnot
o t aa ccriminal-type
ri mi n a l -t yp e
Um,
hhe
h he
hhe's
15
p e r s o n . It's
I t snot
n o tlike
l i k ehe's
h e sgoing
g o i n gtot obe
b edoing
d o i n gany
a n y
any
a n y kind
k i n d of
of
person.
16
c r i m i n a l activity;
a c t i v i t y ; he's
h e snot
n o tgoing
g o i n gto
t obe
b e doing
d o i n g any
a n y kind
k i n d of
o f drug
drug
criminal
17
a c t i v i t y . He
H e indicated
i n d i c a t e d in
i n his
h i s testimony
t e s t i m o n y that,
t h a t , II mean
m e a n hhe
e ddoesn't
oesnt
activity.
18
even
e v e n ddrink.
rink.
19
W h e n hhis
i s rresidence
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a s rraided
a i d e d aand
n d ssearch
e a r c h warrant
warrant
When
was
20
e x e c u t e d , there
t h e r e was
w a s no
n o money
m o n e y sseized,
e i z e d , tthere
here w
e r e nno
o rrecords,
e c o r d s , tthere
here
executed,
were
21
w e r e nno
o ddrug
r u g pparaphernalia,
a r a p h e r n a l i a , he
h e had
h a d less
l e s s than
t h a n one
o n e ounce
o u n c e of
o f medical
medical
were
22
m a r i j u a n a in
i n his
h i s freezer,
f r e e z e r , which
w h i c h he
h e was
w a s llegally
e g a l l y eentitled
n t i t l e d to
t o have
have
marijuana
23
b e c a u s e he
h e was
w a s aa ccardholder
a r d h o l d e r for
f o r his
h i s back
b a c k problem.
p r o b l e m . Uh,
U h , even
e v e n then
then
because
24
h e ssaid
a i d hhe
e m
e d i c a t e d vvery
e r y rrarely.
a re l y.
he
medicated
25
S
o , iin
n tterms
e r m s of
of w
h e t h e r or
o r not,
n o t , um,
u m , society
s o c i e t y would
w o u l d be
be
So,
whether
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1
b e t t e r served
s e r v e d if
i f he
h e was
w a s allowed
a l l o w e d to
t o bbe
e oon
n pprobation,
r o b a t i o n , I tthink
h i n k that
t h a t the
the
better
a n s w e r tthere
h e r e is
i s unquestionably
u n q u e s t i o n a b l y yes.
y e s . He
H e just
just
w
e l l , his,
h i s , I guess
guess
answer
well,
h i s record
r e c o r d speaks
s p e a k s for
f o r itself
i t s e l f in
i n terms
t e r m s of
o f complete
c o m p l e t e lack
l a c k of
o f any
a n y kind
kind
his
o f ccriminal
r i m i n a l activity.
a c t i v i t y . He
H e just
j u s t does
d o e s not
n o t have
h a v e that
t h a t kind
k i n d of
o f mental
mental
of
fframework.
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what
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAlright.
l r i g h t . TThank
h a n k yyou.
o u . OOkay,
k a y , hhere's
eres w
h a t II'm
m
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o bbecause
e c a u s e II ccan
a n ttell
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y ggreat
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l a n s aaren't
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quite
9
10
F i r s t thing
t h i n g II have
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t o the
t h e staff.
s t a f f . Um,
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t , um,
u m , 33:30
: 3 0 yyour
o u r ttime?
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do
11
C O U R T RREPORTER:
E P O R T E R : TThat
h a t i sisaavailable,
v a i l a b l e , jjudge.
udge.
COURT
12
T H E CCOURT:
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s t t told
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t. U
m , sso
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THE
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13
w h a t II w
a n t tto
o ddo.
o. L
e t s go
g o ahead,
a h e a d , since
s i n c e you
y o u have
h a v e aa bunch
b u n c h of
of
what
want
Let's
14
p e o p l e tthere
h e r e to
t o testify,
t e s t i f y , let's
l e t sgo
g oahead
a h e a d and
a n d take
t a k e the
t h e testimony.
t e s t i m o n y . And
And
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15
t h e n if,
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u m , we
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a c k aatt 33:30
: 3 0 yyour
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i m e , 2:30
2 : 3 0 mine,
mine, I
then
16
c a n . Okay?
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o M
r. D
u g a n , IIt take
a k e iit
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Mr.
Dugan,
with
17
a n d why
w h y II sshould
h o u l d ddo
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and
18
MR.
MR. D
DUGAN:
UGAN: U
Uh,
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Your
our H
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19
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
20
MR.
MR. D
DUGAN:
U G A N : BBrad
r a d WWilliams.
i l l i a m s . I I've
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21
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWell,
e l l , n no,
o , I I'll
l l hhear
e a r aabout
b o u t tthe
h e ffines
i n e s llater.
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THE
22
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
23
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I Iddon't
o n t wwant
a n t tto
o hhear
e a r aabout
b o u t tthe
h e ffines
i n e s rright
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THE
24
n o w ; II w
a n t tto
o hhear
e a r aabout,
b o u t , uum,
m , tthat's
h a t s kind
k i n d of
o f llike
i k e the
t h e last
l a s t thing
t h i n g on
on
now;
want
25
t h e list.
l i s t . Um,
U m , II want
w a n t to
t o go
g o aahead
h e a d aand
n d hhear
e a r ffrom
rom M
s. G
erbers
the
Ms.
Gerber's
1855
1856
1
w i t n e s s e s and
a n d tthen
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r. K
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itnesses.
witnesses
Mr.
Kiyuna's
witnesses.
2
3
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , YYour
o u r HHonor.
o n o r . II aappreciate
p p r e c i a t e your
yo u r
a l l o w i n g us
u s tto
o ddo
o tthis.
his.
allowing
THE C
O U R T : HHold
o l d oon
n oone
n e s second.
e c o n d . II'm
m ggetting
e t t i n g some
s o m e hand
hand
THE
COURT:
s i g n a l s from
f r o m my
m y sstaff,
t a f f , just
j u s t aa minute.
m i n u t e . Hold
H o l d on
o n one
o n e second.
s e c o n d . Okay,
Ok a y,
signals
w e r e good.
g o o d . Go
G o aahead,
head, M
s. G
e r b e r , ccall
a l l yyour
o u r ffirst
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itness.
we're
Ms.
Gerber,
witness.
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , II w
was
a s wwondering
o n d e r i n g iiff iitt would
would
be m
o r e cconvenient
o n v e n i e n t for
f o r the
t h e court
c o u r t if
i f they
t h e y stood
s t o o d up
u p and
a n d gave
g a v e aa
be
more
s t a t e m e n t or
o r if
i f you
y o u want
want m
e tto
o ccall
a l l tthem
h e m tto
o tthe
he w
i t n e s s sstand.
tand.
statement
me
witness
10
THE C
O U R T : UUm,
m , I I'd
d rrather
a t h e r hhave
a v e tthem
h e m ggo
o tto
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he w
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THE
COURT:
witness
11
s t a n d and
a n d I can
c a n have
h a v e them
t h e m be
b e pput
u t uunder
n d e r oath
o a t h and
a n d we
w e ccan
a n pproceed
roceed
stand
12
ffrom
r o m tthere.
h e r e . II just
j u s t need
n e e d to
t o ask
a s k my
m y cclerk
l e r k there
t h e r e to
t o move
m o v e the
t h e camera
camera
13
a w a y ffrom
r o m tthe
h e jjudge
u d g e sseat
e a t oover
v e r tto
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i t n e s s sseat.
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14
y o u ccan.
an.
you
15
16
MS. G
E R B E R : AAnd,
n d , j ujudge,
d g e , wwe're
e r e ccalling
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r . EEsbensen's
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MS.
GERBER:
Mr.
s t e p s o n , for
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stepson,
17
( W I T N E S S SWORN)
SWORN)
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18
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
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o n o r , iif
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MR.
DUGAN:
would
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20
21
22
have...
have...
THE C
O U R T : CCould
o u l d yyou,
o u , ccould
o u l d yyou,
o u , ccould
o u l d you
y o u zoom
z o o m iitt in
in
THE
COURT:
a llittle
i t t l e bit
b i t closer
c l o s e r to
t o the
t h e witness?
witness?
a
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , IIhhave
a v e nno
o oobjection
b j e c t i o n iiff the
the
MR.
DUGAN:
23
w i t n e s s wants
w a n t s to
t o sit
s i t at
a t counsel
c o u n s e l table
t a b l e where
w h e r e the
t h e camera
c a m e r a gets
g e t s you
y o u aa
witness
24
g o o d vview,
i e w , uum,
m , aas
s oopposed
p p o s e d tto...
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25
THE C
OURT: W
e l l , t that's
h a t s not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o help
h e l p me
m e any
any
THE
COURT:
Well,
ALVES-FORTES, D. - D.
1
b e c a u s e I don't
d o n t see
s e e Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a at
a t all;
a l l ; II just
j u s t know
k n o w what
w h a t he
h e looks
looks
because
llike
i k e so
s o II'm
m okay.
ok a y.
MR. D
U G A N : HHe
e hhasn't
a s n t cchanged
h a n g e d much.
much.
MR.
DUGAN:
THE
His
T H E CCOURT:
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e a h , I Ik nknow,
o w , i t it's
s aalright.
lright. H
i s hhair
a i r hhasn't
asnt
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l i k e mine.
m i n e . Okay,
O k a y , and
a n d your
y o u r nname
a m e pplease?
lease?
changed
MR.
ALVES-FORTES:
MR. A
L V E S - F O R T E S : DDonald
o n a l d AAlves-Fortes.
l ve s-Fo r t e s.
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , ggo
o aahead
head M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
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9
D O N ALD A
LV E S -FO R T E S ,
DONALD
ALVES-FORTES,
a w
i t n e s s ccalled
a l l e d on
o n bbehalf
e h a l f of
o f tthe
he D
e f e n s e , having
h a v i n g bbeen
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i r s t duly
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witness
Defense,
10
s w o r n bby
y tthe
he C
l e r k oof
f tthe
he C
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a s eexamined
x a m i n e d aand
n d ttestified
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his
sworn
Clerk
Court,
was
11
o a t h as
a s ffollows:
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12
D I R E C T EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
DIRECT
13
BY
MS.
GERBER:
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
14
Q
Q
15
E
sbensen?
Esbensen?
16
17
they
t h e y were
w e r e my
m y hhost
o s t ffamily.
a mi l y. I w
e n t tto
o hhigh
i g h sschool
c h o o l in
i n Boise
B o i s e and
and
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18
they
II w
a s aa sstudent
t u d e n t and
a n d they
t h e y gave
g a v e me
me a
a hhome;
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e aand
n d oone
n e oother
ther
they
was
me
19
student.
student.
20
Q
Q
21
know w
h a t tthat
h a t iis,
s , bbut
ut w
h a t iis
s tthat
h a t eexactly?
x a c tl y?
know
what
what
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23
t h e m . I lived
l i v e d with
w i t h them.
t h e m . They
T h e y took
t o o k care
c a r e of
o f me.
m e . They
T h e y supported
s u p p o r t e d me
me
them.
24
e m o t i o n a l l y , monetary
m o n e t a r y wise,
w i s e , everything
e v e r y t h i n g that
t h a t aa family
f a m i l y does.
does.
emotionally,
25
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w ddo
o yyou
o u kknow
n o w tthe
h e EEsbensens,
s b e n s e n s , Mr.
M r . and
a n d Mrs.
Mrs.
And
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i n the
t h e summer
s u m m e r of
o f 2008
2 0 0 8 tthe
h e EEsbensens
s b e n s e n s took
t o o k me
m e in
i n as
as
Uh,
And w
h e n yyou
o u ssay
a y aahhost
o s t ffamily,
a m i l y , tthe
h e jjudge
u d g e might
m i g h t not
not
And
when
IIt's
t s aa
they
t h e y ffilled
i l l e d the
t h e role
r o l e as
a s my
m y family.
f a m i l y . I stayed
s t a y e d with
with
A n d hhow
o w llong
o n g ddid
i d yyou
o u llive
ive w
i t h them?
them?
And
with
ALVES FORTES, D. - D.
1857
1
U h , iin
n ttotal
o t a l II lived
l i v e d with
w i t h them
t h e m for
f o r two
t w o years.
y e a r s . My
M y ssenior
e n i o r in
in
Uh,
h i g h sschool,
c h o o l , but
b u t tthroughout
h r o u g h o u t ccollege
o l l e g e for
f o r every
e v e r y ssingle
i n g l e break,
break,
high
h o l i d a y I would
w o u l d aalways
l w a y s ccome
o m e aand
n d vvisit.
isit.
holiday
Q
Q
A n d yyou
o u hhang
a n g aaround
r o u n d qquite
u i t e aa bbit?
it?
And
Yes.
Yes.
Q
Q
You w
e r e tthere
h e r e yyesterday?
e st e rd a y?
You
were
Yes.
Yes.
Q
Q
A n d yyou're
o u r e iin
n ccollege?
ollege?
And
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r a d u a t e d llast
a s t year.
ye a r.
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10
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here?
From
where?
11
U n i v e r s i t y of
o f South
S o u t h Dakota.
Dakota.
University
12
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u pplay
l a y aany
n y ssports?
ports?
Do
13
II w
a s aa DDivision
i v i s i o n II ffootball
o o t b a l l pplayer
l a y e r tthere.
here.
was
14
Q
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And w
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s b e n s e n iinvolved
n v o l v e d iin
n yyour
o u r ssports
p o r t s aatt aall,
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And
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Mr.
15
y o u r sschooling?
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your
16
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m u c h sso.
o.
Very
17
Q
Q
A n d ccan
a n yyou
o u ttell
e l l the
t h e judge
j u d g e how
h o w much
m u c h hhe
e w
a s iinvolved?
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was
18
Uh, B
i l l Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , he
h e was
w a s aalways
l w a y s aatt eevery
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Uh,
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19
s p o r t i n g event
e v e n t that
t h a t II was
w a s at.
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H e always
a l w a y s ssupported
u p p o r t e d me
m e eemotionally,
m ot i on a l l y,
sporting
20
t o o , when
w h e n I hhad
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i m e . Called
C a l l e d me
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on
too,
21
a v e r a g e and
a n d was
w a s aalways
l w a y s tthere
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me.
average
22
Q
Q
D i d hhe
e ggo
o tto
o yyour
o u r ggraduation
r a d u a t i o n with
w i t h you?
yo u ?
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23
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i g h sschool
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and
Yes,
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my
24
i n ccollege.
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25
Q
Q
A n d ddid
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o o . He
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i s now
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n tthe
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he
he
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a l s o vouch
v o u c h for
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Mr. E
sbensen.
also
Esbensen.
Q
Q
m a d e yyou
o u aa bbetter
e t t e r man?
man?
made
t h e biggest
b i g g e s t role
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in m
y llife
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ived w
i t h tthe
h e Esbensens
E s b e n s e n s has
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M o s t ddefinitely.
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B i l l , Bill
B i l l Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , has
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b e e n bbasically
asically
10
s u p p o r t i v e for
f o r everything,
e v e r y t h i n g , so.
so.
supportive
11
Q
Q
12
h i m sspend
p e n d ttime
i m e iin
n pprison?
rison?
him
13
14
m o v i n g bback
a c k home
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n August
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a n d I would
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spend
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moving
15
s o m e ttime
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i t h hhim
i m bbefore
e f o r e II lleave
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a n d jjust
u s t having
h a v i n g that
t h a t good
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of a
some
with
16
r o l e model.
model.
role
17
Q
Q
IIss hhe
e llike
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a t h e r ffigure?
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18
Most
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a t h e r ffigure.
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19
Q
Q
And w
h e n yyou
o u wwere
e r e lliving
iving w
ith M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n ddid
i d tthey
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And
when
with
Mr.
20
llive
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s o m e eextravagant
x t r a v a g a n t llifestyle?
i f e st yl e ?
21
N o t aatt aall.
ll.
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22
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Q
S
h o w ooff
f f aa llot
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o n e y oor
r aanything?
n yt h i n g?
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money
23
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ll.
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24
Q
Q
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h a n c e tto
o ttalk
a l k tto
o hhim
i m ssince
i n c e hhe's
e s been
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Um,
25
incarcerated?
incarcerated?
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o w , iif
f aatt aall,
l l , would
w o u l d it
i t impact
i m p a c t you
y o u if
i f you
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h e phone.
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Q
Q
h o w yyou
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e e l aabout
bout w
hat M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n sshould
h o u l d rreceive
e c e i v e as
a s aa
how
what
Mr.
sentence?
sentence?
c o n s i d e r a t i o n , be
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a s lenient
l e n i e n t as
a s possible
p o s s i b l e if
i f you
y o u can.
can.
consideration,
IIss tthere
h e r e anything
a n y t h i n g else
e l s e you
y o u want
w a n t tto
o ttell
e l l the
t h e judge
j u d g e about
about
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l e a s e take
t a k e his
h i s character
c h a r a c t e r and
a n d his
h i s good
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10
MS. G
E R B E R : I Ihhave
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r t h e r qquestions,
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MS.
GERBER:
11
THE
COURT:
Mr.
THE C
OURT: M
r . DDugan,
u g a n , aanything?
n yt hin g?
12
MR. D
UGAN: W
e l l , II'd
d llike
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do.
MR.
DUGAN:
Well,
13
CROSS
C R O S S EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
14
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
BY
MR.
15
Q
Q
W o u l d yyou
o u pplease
l e a s e sspell
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o u r llast
a s t name
n a m e ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord?
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16
A - L - V - E - S sspace
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-O-R-T-E-S.
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17
Q
Q
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o w
h a t yyear
e a r ddid
i d yyou
o u ggraduate
r a d u a t e ffrom
r o m hhigh
i g h sschool?
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Okay.
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what
18
II ggraduated
r a d u a t e d high
h i g h school
s c h o o l in
i n 2009.
2009.
19
Q
Q
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South
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21
22
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Arizona.
23
then I w
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he U
n i v e r s i t y of
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S o u t h Dakota.
Dakota.
then
went
University
24
Q
Q
25
E
s b e n s e n , on
on a
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s i n c e 2009
2 0 0 9 ggraduation?
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o yyou
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a v e n t lived
l i v e d with
w i t h the
t h e defendant,
d e f e n d a n t , Mr.
Mr.
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1
u n t i l November;
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h e i r house.
house.
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Q
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t h e n , from
from
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O c t o b e r 2012
2 0 1 2 or
o r 2010
2 0 1 0 through
t h r o u g h September
S e p t e m b e of
r o2
f 20011 2?
2?
C h r i s t m a s , Thanksgiving,
T h a n k s g i v i n g , every
e v e r y single
s i n g l e holiday
h o l i d a y II would
w o u l d bbe
e tthere.
here.
Christmas,
Q
Q
U h , aand
n d yyou
o u llive
i v e iin
n tthe
he N
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10
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11
Q
Q
A n d yyou're
o u r e going
g o i n g back
b a c k home
h o m e tthere
h e r e in
i n August?
August?
And
12
IIn
n A
ugust.
August.
13
14
N o , II've
v e actually
a c t u a l l y lived
l i v e d with
w i t h him
h i m this
t h i s past
p a s t year
y e a r from
f r o m May
May
No,
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e r m a n e n t bbut
u t II hhave
a v e vvisited
i s i t e d during
d u r i n g the
t h e summers,
summers,
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MR. D
U G A N : OOkay,
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n y ffurther
u r t h e r qquestions
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MR.
DUGAN:
Your H
onor.
Your
Honor.
15
THE
COURT:
Ms.
THE C
OURT: M
s . GGerber,
e r b e r , aanything
n y t h i n g eelse?
lse?
16
MS. G
ERBER: N
o, Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
No,
Your
Honor.
17
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , ssir.
ir.
18
MR.
MR. A
ALVES
L V E S FFORTES:
O R T E S : TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou.
19
THE C
O U R T : YYour
o u r nnext
ext w
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THE
COURT:
witness?
20
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : UUh,
h , RRich
i c h PPelker,
e l k e r , II bbelieve,
elieve, P
Pelkey.
e l k e y.
21
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22
THE C
OURT: W
o u l d yyou
o u pplease
l e a s e sstate
t a t e yyour
o u r ffull
u l l name,
name,
THE
COURT:
Would
23
s p e l l your
y o u r llast
a s t name
n a m e ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord.
ecord.
spell
24
MR.
M R . PPELKEY:
E L K E Y : RRichard
i c h a r d PPelkey,
e l k e y , P-E-L-K-E-Y.
P -E -L-K-E -Y .
25
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , ggo
o aahead
head M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
1861
PELKEY, R. - D.
1
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
MS. G
E R B E R : TThanks
hanks Y
our H
onor.
RICHARD
R I C H A R D PELKEY
P E LKE Y
a w
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DIRECT
EXAMINATION
BY
BY M
MS.
S. G
GERBER:
ERBER:
Q
Q
U m , hhow
o w ddo
o yyou
o u kknow
now M
r . aand
nd M
r s . EEsbensen?
sbensen?
Um,
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Mrs.
Um,
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Diana
i a n a iis
sm
my
y ssister,
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Bill
i l l iis
sm
my
y bbrother-in-law.
rother-in-law.
10
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u kknown
nown B
ill?
And
Bill?
11
3 5 yyears,
e a r s , 3 00-somewhere
- s o m e w h e r e rright
i g h t aaround
r o u n d there,
t h e r e , 33 00-plus
-plus
35
12
ye a rs.
years.
13
Q
Q
And w
h e r e ddo
o yyou
o u llive?
ive?
And
where
14
U h , ccurrently
u r r e n t l y I live
l i v e in
i n Nampa,
N a m p a , IIdaho.
daho.
Uh,
15
Q
Q
And w
h a t ddo
o yyou
o u ddo
o ffor
o r aa lliving?
iving?
And
what
16
II'm
m a police
p o l i c e officer
o f f i c e r for
f o r the
t h e City
C i t y of
o f Caldwell.
Caldwell.
17
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w ooften
f t e n ddo
o yyou
o u s see
e e t the
h e EEsbensens,
s b e n s e n s , sspecifically
pecifically
And
18
Mr. E
s b e n s e n aand
n d ggoing
o i n g oover
v e r tto
o ttheir
h e i r hhouse
o u s e aand...
nd...
Mr.
Esbensen
19
20
k i n d oof
f rrotate
o t a t e tto
o ddifferent
i f f e r e n t venues
v e n u e s for
f o r different
d i f f e r e n t holidays;
h o l i d a y s ; my
my
kind
21
h o u s e , my
m y pparents'
a r e n t s house,
h o u s e , their
t h e i r house
h o u s e depending
d e p e n d i n g which
w h i c h holiday
h o l i d a y it
it
house,
22
is.
is.
23
Q
Q
24
h a s bbeen
een m
a r r i e d to
t o his
h i s wife?
wife?
has
married
25
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o oover
v e r tto
o ttheir
h e i r hhouse
o u s e oon
n aa llot
o t ooff hholidays;
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we
Um,
we
A n d hhow
o w llong
o n g ddo
o
o yyou
o u kknow
n o w hhow
o w llong
ong M
r . EEsbensen
sbensen
And
ddo
Mr.
W e l l , for
f o r about
a b o u t as
a s long
l o n g aas
s II've
v e known
k n o w n tthem
h e m tthey've
h e y v e been
been
Well,
PELKEY, R. - D.
1862
PELKEY, R. - D.
1
t o g e t h e r ; they
t h e y lived
l i v e d together
t o g e t h e r for
f o r aa number
n u m b e r of
o f years
y e a r s before
b e f o r e they
t h e y got
got
together;
m a r r i e d so
s o tthe
h e exact
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n u m b e r ooff yyears
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or m
a r r i a g e II ddon't
o n t know,
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married
marriage
II'm
m sorry,
s o r r y , but
b u t they've
t h e y v e been
b e e n together
t o g e t h e r for
f o r 33 00-plus
- p l u s yyears.
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Q
Q
E
s b e n s e n what
w h a t ttype
y p e of
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h e iis?
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p e o p l e wherever
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a s aan
n oopportunity
p p o r t u n i t y tto.
o . He's
H e s gone
g o n e out
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his
people
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o hhelp
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y pparents
a r e n t s ddo
o ssome
o m e rremodeling
e m o d e l i n g oon
n ttheir
h e i r hhouse.
o u s e . Things
Things
way
my
t h a t he
h e wasn't
w a s n t able
a b l e to
t o do
d o he
h e was
w a s always
a l w a y s aable
b l e to
t o try
t r y to
t o find
find
that
A n d ccan
a n yyou
o u ttell
ell m
e bbased
a s e d oon
n yyour
o u r eexperiences
x p e r i e n c e s with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
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me
Um, B
i l l hhas
a s aalways
l w a y s hhad
a d aa ccaring
a r i n g hheart;
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e ttries
r i e s to
t o help
help
Um,
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10
s o m e b o d y eelse
l s e and
a n d bbring
r i n g them
t h e m in
i n to
t o take
t a k e care
c a r e of
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t h e m . II know
k n o w the
the
somebody
11
s a m e tthing
h i n g hhas
a s hhappened
a p p e n e d t to
o oother
t h e r ppeople
e o p l e wwithin
i t h i n BBill's
i l l s llife;
i f e ; hhe's
es
same
12
a l w a y s ttried
r i e d to
t o help
h e l p them
t h e m out
out w
h e r e v e r hhe
e hhas
a s tthe
h e aability;
b i l i t y ; where
where
always
wherever
13
h e ddidn't
i d n t he
h e tried
t r i e d to
t o arrange
a r r a n g e for
f o r somebody
s o m e b o d y else
e l s e to
t o take
t a k e care
c a r e of
o f that
that
he
14
need.
need.
15
Q
Q
16
v o l u n t e e r activities
a c t i v i t i e s in
i n the
t h e community?
c o m m u n i t y?
volunteer
17
18
h e s talked
t a l k e d about
a b o u t different
d i f f e r e n t activities
a c t i v i t i e s that
t h a t he's
h e s done;
d o n e ; whether
whether
he's
19
t h r o u g h ddifferent
i f f e r e n t fundraisers
f u n d r a i s e r s or
o r other
o t h e r community
c o m m u n i t y aactivities.
ctivities.
through
20
Q
Q
21
p e r s o n a l l y , if
i f Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n was
w a s ssent
e n t tto
o pprison?
rison?
personally,
22
23
d o e s n t have
h a v e any
a n y other
o t h e r family
f a m i l y members
m e m b e r s sstill
t i l l living
l i v i n g in
i n her
h e r house;
house;
doesn't
24
h e r two
t w o ssons
o n s hhave
ave m
oved
e l l , aactually
c t u a l l y I tthink
h i n k Brandon
B r a n d o n has
has
her
moved
wwell,
25
m o v e d bback
a c k rrecently
e c e n t l y bbut
u t sshe
h e hhas
a s aadult
d u l t cchildren.
h i l d r e n . Bill
B i l l is
i s the
t h e main
main
moved
A n d hhave
a v e yyou
o u eever
v e r sseen
e e n hhim
i m eengaged
n g a g e d iin
n any
a n y kkind
i n d of
of
And
U m , II hhaven't
a v e n t personally
p e r s o n a l l y seen
s e e n it
i t but
b u t II have
h a v e heard
h e a r d and
and
Um,
A n d hhow
o w ddo
o yyou
o u t think
h i n k iit
t w
o u l d aaffect
f f e c t tthe
h e family
f a m i l y and
a n d you,
yo u ,
And
would
U m , II kknow
n o w iit
t w
o u l d aaffect
ffect m
y ssister
i s t e r ggreatly.
r e a t l y . Um,
U m , she
she
Um,
would
my
PELKEY, R. - D.
1863
PELKEY, R. - D.
1
ffigure
i g u r e in
i n her
h e r life
l i f e at
a t this
t h i s point.
p o i n t . II know
k n o w it
i t would
w o u l d ccreate
r e a t e a hardship
hardship
o n hher.
e r . As
A s ffar
a r aas
s iitt ggoes
o e s ffor
or m
e , tthe
h e hhardship
a r d s h i p that
t h a t II have
h a v e and
a n d bear
bear
on
me,
w o u l d ssee
e e tthe
h e ppain
a i n tthat
hat m
y ssister's
i s t e r s going
g o i n g through.
through.
would
my
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w ddo
o yyou
o u f feel
e e l aabout
b o u t BBill
i l l ppersonally?
e r so n a l l y?
And
Um, B
i l l s my
m y bbrother-in-law;
r o t h e r - i n - l a w ; we
w e don't
d o n t always
a l w a y s see
s e e eye
e y e to
to
Um,
Bill's
e y e oon
n tthings,
h i n g s , um,
u m , bbut
u t I ddo
o ccare
a r e ffor
o r him
h i m aand
n d II kknow
n o w tthat
h a t hhis
i s hheart,
eart,
eye
h i s intentions,
i n t e n t i o n s , are
a r e generally
g e n e r a l l ygood,
g o o d ,and
a n d you
y o u know,
k n o w , we
w e get
g e t aalong.
long.
his
Q
Q
a bbetter
e t t e r person
p e r s o n for
f o r the
t h e community?
c o m mu n i t y?
a
A n d ddo
o yyou
o u tthink
h i n k ssending
e n d i n g him
h i m tto
o prison
p r i s o n would
w o u l d make
m a k e him
him
And
10
U m , iif
f yyou're
o u r e asking
a s k i n g me
m e iiff II tthink
h i n k pprison
r i s o n oorr pprobation
robation
Um,
11
w o u l d bbe
e bbetter,
e t t e r , I tthink
h i n k probation
p r o b a t i o n would
w o u l d be
b e bbetter.
e t t e r . II don't
d o n t
kind
kind
would
12
o f llike
i k e what
what w
as m
e n t i o n e d eearlier,
a r l i e r , um,
u m , aalthough
l t h o u g h tthis
h i s isn't
i s n t
the
the
of
was
mentioned
13
c r i m e tthat
h a t hhe's
e s been
b e e n convicted
o f iisn't
s n t aa violent
v i o l e n t crime.
c r i m e . All
A l l of
o f the
the
crime
14
v i c t i m s that
t h a t have
h a v e been
b e e n involved
i n v o l v e d in
i n this
t h i s crime
c r i m e have
h a v e been
been
victims
15
v o l u n t e e r e d , they've
t h e y v e been
b e e n willing,
w i l l i n g , uh,
u h , and
a n d so
s o my
m y ffeelings,
e e l i n g s , like
like I
volunteered,
16
s a i d , is
i s I don't
d o n t know
k n o w if
i f prison
p r i s o n would
w o u l d nnecessarily
e c e s s a r i l y be
b e the
t h e best
best
said,
17
b e n e f i t for
f o r Bill
B i l l or
o r the
t h e family.
f a m i l y . II would
w o u l d llike
i k e tto
o ssee
e e pprobation.
robation.
benefit
18
Q
Q
19
t h i n k Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan m
i g h t ask.
a s k . Um,
U m , hhave
a v e yyou
o u sseen
een M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n fflash
lash
think
might
Mr.
20
t o n s of
o f money
m o n e y aaround
r o u n d iin
n tthe
h e llast
a s t few
f e w yyears?
ears?
tons
21
22
II've
v e been
b e e n at
a t their
t h e i r house
h o u s e and
a n d for
f o r as
a s llong
o n g aas
s II've
v e known
known B
i l l tthey've
h e yve
Bill
23
n e v e r llived
i v e d aa llavish
a v i s h llifestyle;
i f e s t y l e ; they've
t h e y v e never
n e v e r lived
l i v e d in
i n extravagant
extravagant
never
24
h o u s e s ; nnever
e v e r ddriven
r i v e n eextravagant
x t r a v a g a n t ccars.
a r s . Uh,
U h , everything
e v e r y t h i n g tthey've
he yve
houses;
25
a l w a y s bbought
o u g h t hhas
a s bbeen,
e e n , aa llot
o t ooff ttimes
i m e s hhave
a v e bbeen
e e n uused
s e d aand
n d hhe's
es
always
A n d II gguess
u e s s jjust
u s t ttwo
w o oother
t h e r qquestions
u e s t i o n s rrelated
e l a t e d to
t o what
what I
And
N o . II ccan
an
e a n ffrom
r o m ppersonally
e r s o n a l l y ffrom
r o m tthe
h e ttimes
i m e s tthat
hat
No.
II m
mean
PELKEY, R. - D.
1864
PELKEY, R. - X. (DUGAN)
1
e i t h e r remodeled
r e m o d e l e d iitt oorr rrebuilt
e b u i l t it,
i t , whether
w h e t h e r it's
i t s aa car
c a r or
o r aa house.
house.
either
T
h e y v e always
a l w a y s llived
i v e d aa vvery
e r y ssimple
i m p l e llifestyle.
i fe st yl e .
They've
3
4
MS. G
E R B E R : AAnd
nd
o , I Ihhave
a v e nno
o f ufurther
r t h e r qquestions.
uestions.
MS.
GERBER:
n no,
Thank
T
h a n k you.
yo u .
THE C
OURT: M
r. D
ugan.
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Dugan.
CROSS
EXAMINATION
BY
BY M
MR.
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
Q
Q
Mr. P
e l k e y , how
h o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u bbeen
e e n aappolice
o l i c e oofficer?
fficer?
Mr.
Pelkey,
1 1 yyears.
ears.
11
10
Q
Q
A n d ffor
o r tthe
he C
i t y ooff C
aldwell?
And
City
Caldwell?
11
Yes.
Yes.
12
Q
Q
U m , aand
n d iin
n CCaldwell,
a l d w e l l , IIdaho
d a h o iis
s iitt llegal
e g a l to
t o possess
possess
Um,
13
marijuana?
marijuana?
14
N o , iitt is
i s not.
not.
No,
15
Q
Q
D o tthey
h e y hhave
a v e aa m
edical m
a r i j u a n a program
p r o g r a m in
i n Idaho?
Idaho?
Do
medical
marijuana
16
N o , tthey
h e y do
d o nnot.
ot.
No,
17
Q
Q
D i d yyou
o u kknow
n o w yyour
o u r bbrother-in-law
r o t h e r - i n - l a w was
w a s iinvolved
n v o l v e d in
i n aa
Did
18
m a r i j u a n a program?
program?
medical
19
I ddid.
id.
20
Q
Q
IIss tthat
h a t one
o n e of
o f tthe
h e things
t h i n g s you
y o u ddisagreed
i s a g r e e d with
w i t h him
h i m aabout?
bout?
21
Yes.
Yes.
22
Q
Q
O k a y. Y
o u kknew
n e w tthat
h a t hhe
e wwas
a s sselling
e l l i n g iitt tto
o ppeople
e o p l e through
through
Okay.
You
23
h i s dispensary?
d i sp e nsa ry?
his
24
MS. G
E R B E R : OObjection,
b j e c t i o n , rrelevance,
e l e v a n c e , ffoundation.
oundation.
MS.
GERBER:
25
THE C
O U R T : OOverruled.
verruled.
THE
COURT:
1865
1
U m , II kknew
n e w tthat
h a t hhe
e oowned
w n e d aabbusiness
u s i n e s s hhere
e r e iin
n O
ntario.
Um,
Ontario.
U m , II ppretty
retty m
u c h sstayed
t a y e d aaway
w a y ffrom
r o m t that;
h a t ; wwe
e ddidn't
i d n t ttalk
a l k about
a b o u t it
i t aa
Um,
much
llot.
o t . Um,
U m , tthe
h e tthings
h i n g s and
a n d tthe
h e conversations
c o n v e r s a t i o n s that
t h a t we
w e did
d i d have
h a v e is
is I
t o l d him
h i m aas
s llong
o n g aas
s yyou're
o u r e not
n o t breaking
b r e a k i n g the
t h e laws
l a w s in
i n Oregon
O r e g o n that
that
told
w e r e okay.
o k a y.
we're
Q
Q
W e l l hhe
e bbroke
r o k e tthe
h e llaw
a w iin
n O
r e g o n sso
o aare
r e yyou
o u sstill...
till...
Well
Oregon
Well...
Well...
Q
Q
Y o u r e still
s t i l l okay
o k a y with
w i t h him?
him?
You're
U m , nnot
o t kknowing
n o w i n g aall
l l tthe
h e ffacts
a c t s aand
n d aall
l l tthe
h e cconditions
o n d i t i o n s and
and
Um,
10
e v e r y t h i n g and
a n d nnot
o t ssitting
i t t i n g through
t h r o u g h the
t h e trial,
t r i a l ,um,
u m , II mean
m e a n if
i f he
h e was
was
everything
11
ffound
o u n d gguilty
u i l t y tthen
h e n tthat's
h a t s the
t h e case.
c a s e . II don't
d o n t
II don't
d o n t know
k n o w any
a n y ffacts
acts
12
a n d II ddon't
o n t tend
t e n d to
t o make
m a k e judgments
j u d g m e n t s without
w i t h o u t knowing
k n o w i n g ffacts;
a c t s ; II can
can
and
13
j u s t go
go w
ith w
h a t II've
v e hheard
e a r d tthe
h e jjudge's
u d g e s rruling
uling w
a s aand
n d t that's...
hats...
just
with
what
was
14
MR. D
U G A N : I Id don't
o n t hhave
a v e aany
n y f further
u r t h e r qquestions.
uestions.
MR.
DUGAN:
15
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : IIhhave
a v e nnothing
o t h i n g ffurther.
urther.
16
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou
o u vvery
ery m
uch.
THE
COURT:
much.
17
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : I I'm
m jjust
u s t ggoing
o i n g tto
o ccall
a l l Mrs.
M r s . Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , Your
Your
18
Honor.
Honor.
19
SWORN)
(WITNESS
20
MS. G
E R B E R : I If
f yyou
o u nneed
e e d s some
o m e wwater
a t e r i tit's
s uup
p tthere.
here.
MS.
GERBER:
21
DIANA E
SBENSEN,
DIANA
ESBENSEN,
22
a w
i t n e s s ccalled
a l l e d on
o n bbehalf
e h a l f of
o f tthe
he D
h a v i n g bbeen
e e n ffirst
i r s t duly
duly
a
witness
Defense,
23
s w o r n bby
y tthe
he C
l e r k oof
f tthe
he C
ourt, w
a s eexamined
x a m i n e d aand
n d ttestified
e s t i f i e d on
on
sworn
Clerk
Court,
was
24
h e r ooath
a t h aas
s ffollows:
ollows:
her
25
EXAMINATION
DIRECT
1866
ESBENSEN, D. - D.
1
BY
MS.
GERBER:
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
Q
Q
H o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u bbeen
een m
a r r i e d tto
o M
r. E
sbensen?
How
married
Mr.
Esbensen?
THE C
OURT: W
o u l d yyou
o u pplease
l e a s e sstate
t a t e yyour
o u r nname,
a m e , pplease?
lease?
THE
COURT:
Would
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
MS. G
E R B E R : SSorry
orry Y
our H
onor.
MS. E
SBENSEN: D
i a n a EEsbensen.
sbensen.
MS.
ESBENSEN:
Diana
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d ccould
o u l d yyou
o u sspell
p e l l yyour
o u r llast
a s t name,
name,
THE
COURT:
please?
please?
MS. E
S B E N S E N : EE-S-B-E-N-S-E-N.
-S-B-E-N-S-E-N.
MS.
ESBENSEN:
THE C
OURT: G
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
Go
10
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
11
Q
Q
H o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u bbeen
een m
a r r i e d tto
o M
r. E
sbensen?
How
married
Mr.
Esbensen?
12
2 6 yyears.
ears.
26
13
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w wwould
o u l d yyou
o u cconsider
o n s i d e r yyour
o u r rrelationship
e l a t i o n s h i p with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
And
14
E
s b e n s e n iin
n tthat
h a t 26
2 6 years?
ye a rs?
Esbensen
15
16
u m , II llove
o v e hhim
i m ggreatly;
r e a t l y ; hhe's
e s aa big
b i g part
p a r t of
o f my
m y life
l i f e and
a n d our
our
um,
17
c h i l d r e n s life.
l i f e .Our
O u r life
l i f e has
h a s been
b e e n good.
good.
children's
18
Q
Q
19
y o u r kkids?
ids?
your
20
21
t h a t , you
y o u kknow,
n o w , tthere's
h e r e s some
s o m e ddistance
i s t a n c e tthere
h e r e now
n o w tthat
h a t tthey're
h e yre
that,
22
o l d e r . But
B u t when
w h e n they
t h e y were
w e r e young
y o u n g and
a n d growing
g r o w i n g up
u p he
h e was
w a s always
a l wa ys
older.
23
t h e r e when
w h e n they
t h e y got
g o t out
o u t of
o f school
s c h o o l so
s o they
t h e y could
could
there
t h e r e would
w o u l d be
be
there
24
a pparent
a r e n t in
i n the
t h e home.
h o m e . FFrom
r o m TT-ball
- b a l l tto
o ssoccer
o c c e r tto
o ffootball;
o o t b a l l ; every
every
a
25
p r a c t i c e , every
e v e r y game,
g a m e , PTA's,
P T A s , booster
b o o s t e r club
c l u b in
i n high
h i g h school.
school.
practice,
U h , hhe's
e s my
m y best
b e s t friend
f r i e n d and
a n d my
m y partner
p a r t n e r and
a n d we
we
ssorry,
o rry,
Uh,
And w
h a t aabout
b o u t yyour
o u r cchildren?
h i l d r e n ? How
H o w iinvolved
n v o l v e d is
i s he
h e with
with
And
what
U m , ssince
i n c e tthey
hey w
e r e yyoung,
o u n g , tthey're
h e y r e adult
a d u l t kids
k i d s now
n o w so
so
Um,
were
ESBENSEN, D. - D.
1867
ESBENSEN, D. - D.
1
Q
Q
And w
h a t aabout
bout w
i t h yyour
o u r hhost
o s t sson,
o n , ffor
o r llack
a c k ooff aa bbetter
etter
And
what
with
phrase?
phrase?
g r a d u a t e d and
a n d went
w e n t to
t o college
c o l l e g e so
s o we
w e ttook
o o k iin
n D
o n n i e aand
n d JJeffrey,
e f f r e y,
graduated
Donnie
a n d he
he w
a s tthere
h e r e for
f o r them
t h e m the
t h e same
s a m e as
a s he
h e was
w a s for
f o r my
m y kkids.
i d s . Donnie
Donnie
and
was
i s one
o n e of
of m
y kkids.
ids. U
m , ggames,
a m e s , ppractices,
r a c t i c e s , anyway
a n y w a y tthat
h a t we
w e ccould
ould
is
my
Urn,
s u p p o r t him,
h i m , traveling
t r a v e l i n g to
t o see
s e e football
f o o t b a l lgames
g a m e s to
t o give
g i v e him
h i m some
some
support
s u p p o r t ffor
o r tthat,
h a t , graduation.
graduation.
support
Q
Q
And w
h e r e aare
r e you
y o u eemployed?
m p l o ye d ?
And
where
10
B o i s e SState
tate U
n i ve rsi t y.
Boise
University.
11
Q
Q
A n d pprior
r i o r tto
oM
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n bbeing
e i n g aarrested
r r e s t e d iin
n tthis
h i s ccase,
ase,
And
Mr.
12
what w
o u l d yyou
o u cconsider
o n s i d e r yyour
o u r sstandard
t a n d a r d ooff lliving?
i v i n g ? Was
W a s iitt llavish?
avish?
what
would
13
N o , iitt was
w a s nnot.
ot.
No,
14
Q
Q
U m , ddid
i d yyou
o u hhave
a v e nnew
e w ccars
a r s aand
nd w
as M
r. E
sbensen
Urn,
was
Mr.
Esbensen
15
bringing
b r i n g i n g home
h o m e ccash
a s h aall
l l the
t h e time?
time?
16
N o , hhe
e w
a s nnot.
ot. W
e hhave
a v e uused
s e d vvehicles.
ehicles.
No,
was
We
17
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Q
II'm
m sorry.
so rry.
18
W e hhave
a v e uused
s e d vvehicles,
ehicles, w
e ddon't
o n t have
h a v e new
n e w ccars.
ars.
We
we
19
Q
Q
And w
h a t ttype
y p e ooff hhomes
o m e s ddo
o yyou
o u llive
i v e iin?
n?
And
what
20
Uh, w
e v e rented
r e n t e d homes
h o m e s ffor
o r tthe
h e ppast,
a s t , II ddon't
o n t know,
k n o w , five
five
Uh,
we've
21
y e a r s . We've
W e v elived
l i v e dini na a1199 5500-something
- s o m e t h i n g hhome.
o m e . Urn,
U m , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , jjust
ust
years.
22
a v e r a g e homes,
h o m e s , you
y o u kknow,
n o w , tthree
h r e e bbedroom,
e d r o o m , rregular
e g u l a r ssized
ized
average
23
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
(INAUDIBLE).
24
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25
prison?
prison?
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u r hhost
o s t kid,
k i d , urn,
u m , oour
u r two
t w o bboys
o y s hhad
a d aalready
lready
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A n d , uurn,
m , hhow
o w wwould
o u l d iit
t aaffect
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o u iiff B
i l l was
w a s ssent
e n t to
to
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Bill
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II w
o u l d llose
o s e ssomeone
o m e o n e tthat's
h a t s been
b e e n aa part
p a r t of
o f my
m y llife
i f e for
for
would
more
m o r e tthan
h a n hhalf
a l f of
o f my
m y llife;
i f e ; my
m y bbest
e s t friend
f r i e n d and
a n d my
m y ppartner.
a r t n e r . My
M y kids
kids
a r e grown
g r o w n aand
n d ggone.
one. M
y ffather
a t h e r rrecently
e c e n t l y ppassed
a s s e d away
a w a y sso
o II ddon't
ont
are
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have
my
Bill
h a v e him,
h i m , I just
j u s t have
h a v e my
m y mom
m o m aand
nd m
y bbrother
r o t h e r aand
nd B
ill.
Q
Q
k e e p i n g tthe
h e hhousehold
o u s e h o l d ttogether
o g e t h e r ffinancially?
i n a n c i a l l y?
keeping
Me.
Me.
Q
Q
A n d iis
s tthat
h a t hhow
o w iit's
t s going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e if
i f he
h e goes
g o e s tto
o pprison?
rison?
And
JJust
u s t me;
m e ; ttrying
r y i n g tto
o ttake
a k e ccare
a r e ooff eeverything.
ve ryt h i n g.
10
Q
Q
A n y t h i n g else
e l s e you
y o u want
w a n t tto
o say
s a y tto
o tthe
h e judge
j u d g e about
a b o u t what
what
Anything
11
y o u tthink
h i n k sshould
h o u l d happen?
happen?
you
12
13
probation,
p r o b a t i o n , not
n o t any
a n y prison
p r i s o n time;
t i m e ; that
t h a t will
w i l l not
n o t help
h e l p him
h i m or
o r the
the
14
c o m m u n i t y oor
r tthe
h e ffamilies
a m i l i e s oof
f aanyone
n y o n e tthat's
h a t s involved.
i n v o l v e d . Um,
U m , hhe's
e s aa
community
15
g o o d pperson
e r s o n and
a n d hhe
e m
eans w
e l l aand
n d hhe
e w
a n t s tto
o ttry
r y and
a n d hhelp
elp
good
means
well
wants
16
p e o p l e whenever
w h e n e v e r he
h e can.
c a n . And
A n d for
f o r him
h i m to
t o not
n o t be
b e able
a b l e to
t o be
b e with
w i t h me
me
people
17
right
would
r i g h t now
n o w when
w h e n I need
n e e d him
h i m and
a n d my
m y ffamily
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o u l d jjust
u s t be
be
18
d e v a s t a t i n g to
t o everyone.
e ve ryo n e .
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19
Q
Q
20
b r o u g h t up
u p aa pprior
r i o r ffelony
e l o n y conviction
c o n v i c t i o n from
f r o m 1987.
1 9 8You
7 . Y o and
u a n dBill
B i l lhave
have
brought
21
t a l k e d about
a b o u t that?
t h a t ? You
Y o u were
w e r e aware
a w a r e ooff iit?
t?
talked
22
Yes.
Yes.
23
Q
Q
O k a y . SSo
o iit's
t s not
n o t like
l i k e something
s o m e t h i n g he
h e tried
t r i e d to
t o hide
h i d e from
from
Okay.
24
yo u ?
you?
25
A n d , uum,
m , ssince
i n c e tthis
h i s ccase
a s e has
h a s bbeen
e e n ppending
ending w
h o s been
been
And,
who's
Your H
o n o r , II tthink
h i n k my
m y hhusband
u s b a n d sshould
h o u l d rreceive
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Your
Honor,
A n d jjust
u s t oone
n e ffinal
i n a l qquestion.
u e s t i o n . The
The D
i s t r i c t Attorney
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e v e bbeen
e e n ttogether
o g e t h e r for
f o r 32
3 2 years,
y e a r s , married
m a r r i e d 26
26
No.
We've
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though.
though.
Q
Q
T
h a n k yyou,
o u , II hhave
a v e nno
o ffurther
uestions.
Thank
1870
S
o yyou
o u ppretty
retty m
u c h kknow
n o w eeverything
v e r y t h i n g aabout
b o u t him.
h i m . Okay.
Ok a y.
So
much
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EXAMINATION
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
BY
MR.
Q
Q
W i l l i a m , is
i s that
t h a t what
w h a t you
y o u jjust
u s t ssaid?
aid?
William,
Iw
o u l d hhope
o p e tthat
h a t I ddo
o kknow
n o w eeverything
b o u t him,
h i m , yes.
ye s.
would
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u kknow
n o w tthat
h a t hhe's
e s buying
b u y i n g and
a n d owning
o w n i n g a house
house
Do
Mrs. E
s b e n s e n , you
y o u kknow
n o w eeverything
b o u t your
y o u r hhusband,
usband,
Mrs.
Esbensen,
10
th
llocated
o c a t e d at
a t520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15
1 5 th
S t r e e t in
i n Vale?
Vale?
Street
11
Yes.
Yes.
12
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u kknow
n o w tthat
h a t you
y o u and
a n d he
h e purchased
p u r c h a s e d on
o n February
F e b r u a r y 1st
1 s t of
of
Do
13
2 0 1 2 aa llot
o t iin
n tthe
h e Cascade
C a s c a d e Reservoir
R e s e r v o i r Subdivision?
Subdivision?
2012
14
Yes.
Yes.
15
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m , aand
n d tthat
h a t you
yo u w
e r e ppurchasing
u r c h a s i n g tthe
h e house
h o u s e at
at
Okay.
Um,
were
16
. W
i n t h r o p Way?
Wa y?
1 11661 1S S.
Winthrop
17
No.
No.
18
Q
Q
Y o u r e renting
r e n t i n g that?
that?
You're
19
Correct.
Correct.
20
Q
Q
You're
Y o u r e renting
r e n t i n g iti t from
f r o m Winthrop,
W i n t h r o p , LLC?
L LC ?
21
U h , II pay
p a y the
t h e rent
r e n t to
t o Ocean
O c e a n Property
P r o p e r t y Management.
Management.
Uh,
22
Q
Q
W e l l what
w h a t is
i s Winthrop,
L LC ?
Well
23
II have
h a v e no
n o idea.
idea.
24
Q
Q
U m , aare
r e yyou
o u ffamiliar
a m i l i a r tthat
h a t tthat
h a t house
h o u s e tthat
h a t yyou're
o u r e living
l i v i n g in
in
Um,
25
w a s rrecently
e c e n t l y transferred
t r a n s f e r r e d to
t o Winthrop,
LL C ?
was
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T
h e hhouse
o u s e oon
n W
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The
Winthrop?
Q
Q
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YES).
Mmm H
m m ((INDICATING
INDICATING Y
ES).
No.
No.
Q
Q
And w
h a t s the
t h e value
v a l u e of
o f the
t h e property
p r o p e r t y at
at
in
i n the
t h e Cascade
Cascade
And
what's
S
ubdivision?
Subdivision?
$ 1 8,0
8 , 000 O.
0.
$1
Q
Q
th
O k a y . And
And w
h a t s the
t h e value
v a l u eof
o f520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15
1 5 th
Okay.
what's
?
II don't
d o n t know.
know.
10
Q
Q
th
D i d you
y o u ever
e v e r live
l i v e at
a t 520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15
1 5 th
Did
?
11
U h , jjust
ust a
a brief
b r i e f period
p e r i o d of
o f time.
time.
Uh,
12
Q
Q
A n d tthat
h a t building
b u i l d i n g was
w a s actually
actually
or
o r that
t h a t house
h o u s e was
was
And
13
a c t u a l l y built
b u i l t as
a s aa property
p r o p e r t y to
t o be
b e able
a b l e to
t o grow
g r o w your
y o u r marijuana,
m a r i j u a n a , is
is
actually
14
t h a t right?
right?
that
15
U h , it
i t was.
was.
Uh,
16
Q
Q
Y o u ddon't
o n t know
know w
h a t tthat
h a t vvalue
a l u e oof
f tthat
h a t property
p r o p e r t y is?
is?
You
what
17
No.
No.
1871
U h , tthe
h e ttax
a x sstatement
tatement w
e jjust
u s t rreceived,
e c e i v e d , II tthink,
h i n k , said
said
Uh,
we
18
MR. D
U G A N : I Iddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aany
n y ffurther
u r t h e r questions.
questions.
MR.
DUGAN:
19
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20
BY
B Y MS.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER:
21
Q
Q
22
o n Winthrop
W i n t h r o p you
yo u w
e r e renting
r e n t i n g from
f r o m Winthrop,
LLC ? W
e r e n t you
yo u
on
were
Weren't
23
r e n t i n g that
t h a t home?
home?
renting
24
25
M a n a g e m e n t ; II ddon't
o n t know
k n o w Winthrop,
W i n t h r o p , LLC,
L L C , II ddon't
o n t know
k n o w who
w h o that
that
Management;
And M
r s . EEsbensen,
s b e n s e n , i isn't
s n t iitt true
t r u e that
t h a t the
t h e house
h o u s e you
y o u are
a r e in
in
And
Mrs.
We w
e r e rrenting
e n t i n g iit.
t . II pay
p a y them
t h e m rent
r e n t to
t o Ocean
O c e a n Property
Property
We
were
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is.
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o w n e r s h i p iinterest
n t e r e s t in
i n that
t h a t house?
house?
ownership
A s ffar
a r as
a s I know.
know.
As
Q
Q
A n d tthis
h i s pplace,
l a c e , I believe,
b e l i e v e , that
t h a t raised
r a i s e dby
b y Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n in
in
And
Donnelly...
Do nn e ll y. . .
Mmm
Mmm H
Hmm
m m ((INDICATING
INDICATING Y
YES).
ES).
Q
Q
. . . t h e last
l a s t payment
p a y m e n t for
f o r that
t h a t was
w a s made
m a d e in
i n February
F e b r u a r y of
of
...the
2 00112 ?2?I sIst hthat

a t rright?
ight?
A n d aas
s ffar
a r aas
s yyou
o u kknow
n o w yyour
o u r hhusband
u s b a n d hhas
a s aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y no
no
And
10
I ddon't
o n t recall
r e c a l lwhen
w h e n the
t h e last
l a s tpayment
p a y m e n twas
w a s made.
m a d e . We
W e had
had
11
b e e n making
m a k i n g ppayments
a y m e n t s oon
n tthat
h a t ffor
o r qquite
u i t e a few
f e w yyears.
ears.
been
12
Q
Q
O v e r ffive,
i v e , ssix
i x years?
ye a rs?
Over
13
A
A llong
o n g ttime,
i m e , yeah.
ye a h .
14
Q
Q
O k a y . And
A n d hhow
o w bbig
ig w
e r e tthose
h o s e ppayments?
a ym e n t s?
Okay.
were
15
U h , maybe
m a y b e around
a r o u n d$3
$ 300O.
0.
Uh,
16
Q
Q
$ 3 0 00??
$3
17
Mmm
Hmm
YES).
Mmm H
m m ((INDICATING
INDICATING Y
ES).
18
Q
Q
O k a y . SSo
o wwe're
e r e nnot
o t ttalking
a l k i n g aabout
b o u t aa ffive
ive m
i l l i o n ddollar
ollar
Okay.
million
19
h o m e ssomewhere
o m e w h e r e iin
n tthe
he C
ascades?
home
Cascades?
20
N o , iit's
t s aa piece
p i e c e of
o f land.
land.
No,
21
Q
Q
O k a y . IIn
n ffact,
a c t , uum,
m , ddidn't
i d n t Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n aafter
f t e r aall
l l tthis
his
Okay.
Esbensen
22
h a p p e n e d hhave
a v e tto
o ssell
e l l everything
e v e r y t h i n g he
h e owned,
o w n e d , bbasically,
a s i c a l l y , to
t o pay
p a y for
for
happened
23
me?
me?
24
25
s o l d anything
a n y t h i n g that
t h a t we
w e could
c o u l d of
o f any
a n y sort
s o r t of
o f value
v a l u e to
t o pay
p a y for
f o r the
the
sold
U h , yyeah.
eah. W
e hhad
a d rrecord
e c o r d ccollections
o l l e c t i o n s and
a n d antiques.
a n t i q u e s . We
We
Uh,
We
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1
services.
services.
Q
Q
O k a y , sso
o yyou
o u ddidn't
i d n t just
j u s t have
h a v e tons
t o n s of
o f cash
c a s h laying
l a y i n g around?
around?
Okay,
No.
No.
MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay.
k a y . I Ihhave
a v e nno
o f ufurther
r t h e r qquestions,
u e s t i o n s , jjudge.
udge.
MS.
GERBER:
R E - C R O S S EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
RE-CROSS
BY
MR.
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
Q
Q
$ 5 00,0
, 0 000 0a nand
d c hchange
a n g e i nina ac cardboard
a r d b o a r d bbox
o x aabove
b o v e yyour
our w
ashing
$5
washing
machine?
machine?
T
h e ttons
o n s ooff ccash
a s h llaying
a y i n g around,
a r o u n d , did
d i d you
y o u know
k n o w tthat
h a t he
h e had
had
The
10
I kknew
n e w hhe
e hhad
ad m
o n e y ssaved
a v e d tto
o ppay
a y ffor
o r aa bballoon
a l l o o n payment
p a ym e n t
money
11
t h a t was
w a s ccoming
o m i n g ddue.
u e . II ddidn't
i d n t know
k n o w where
w h e r e iitt was
w a s aat,
t , though.
though.
that
12
Q
Q
13
s h o e box
b o x aabove
b o v e yyour
our w
ashing m
achine?
shoe
washing
machine?
Y e a h , but
b u t aa pretty
p r e t t yordinary
o r d i n a r yplace
p l a c etot oput
p u$5
t $ 50,0
0 , 000 0 in
in a
Yeah,
14
MS. G
E R B E R : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g t to
o oobject,
b j e c t , aargumentative.
rgumentative.
MS.
GERBER:
15
MR. D
U G A N : I I'll
l l wwithdraw
i t h d r a w tthe
h e qquestion.
u e s t i o n . II ddon't
o n t have
have
MR.
DUGAN:
16
a n y m o r e qquestions.
uestions.
anymore
17
THE C
O U R T : SSustained.
ustained.
THE
COURT:
18
MS. G
E R B E R : AAnd
n d I Ihhave
a v e oone
n e f ufurther
r t h e r qquestion
u e s t i o n tthen.
hen.
MS.
GERBER:
19
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
20
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E - R E - D I R E C T EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
21
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
BY
MS.
GERBER:
22
Q
Q
23
return?
return?
24
25
Did m
o n e y tthat
hat w
a s ttaken
a k e n ffrom
r o m yyou,
ou, w
a s tthat
h a t your
y o u r tax
tax
Did
money
was
was
Yes.
Yes.
MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay,
k a y , tthank
h a n k yyou.
o u . II hhave
a v e nno
o ffurther
urther
MS.
GERBER:
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1
questions.
questions.
RE-RE-CROSS
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E - R E - C R O S S EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
BY
MR.
Q
Q
i n your
y o u r 2201
0 1 11t tax
a x r returns
e t u r n s nnever
e v e r pput
u t aany
n y oof
f hhis
i s iinformation
n f o r m a t i o n iin,
n , did
did
in
he?
he?
W e ffiled
i l e d jjust
u s t ppersonal
e r s o n a l ttaxes
a x e s aatt tthat
h a t time.
time.
We
Q
Q
Oka y.
Okay.
A n d tthe
h e bbookkeeper
o o k k e e p e r was
was w
o r k i n g oon
n tthe
h e bbusiness
u s i n e s s income
income
And
working
W e l l tthe
h e ttax
a x rreturns,
e t u r n s , you
y o u brought
b r o u g h t that
t h a t up,
u p , Mr.
M r . Esbensen
Esbensen
Well
10
taxes.
taxes.
11
Q
Q
12
t e s t i f i e d that
t h a t his
h i s information,
i n f o r m a t i o n , his
h i s income
i n c o m e from
f r o m the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h PParallel
arallel
testified
13
w a s n t included
i n c l u d e d in
i n your
y o u r ttax
a x rreturns?
eturns?
wasn't
14
15
b o o k k e e p e r to
t o do
d o tthe
h e bbusiness
u s i n e s s ttaxes
a x e s so
s o tthat
h a t they
t h e y ccould
o u l d rreport
e p o r t to
to
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16
a l l of
o f the
t h e partners,
p a r t n e r s , owners
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i n tthe
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17
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n e v e r reported
r e p o r t e d his
h i s income
i n c o m e from
f r o m that
t h a t business
b u s i n e s s to
t o the
t h e IRS
I R S has
h a s he?
he?
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20
Oka y. A
n d hhe
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estified
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e r e yyou
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r e c o r d e d tthen,
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hhe's
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MR. D
U G A N : OOkay.
k a y . I Id don't
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n y f further
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MR.
DUGAN:
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R E - R E - R E - D I R E C T EXAMINATION
EXAMINATION
RE-RE-RE-DIRECT
22
BY
MS.
GERBER:
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
23
Q
Q
24
g u y s nneeded
e e d e d tto
o ffile
i l e tthose
h o s e ttaxes?
axes?
guys
25
IIss tthat
h a t because
b e c a u s e Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n sseized
e i z e d aall
l l tthe
h e records
r e c o r d s that
t h a t you
yo u
Yes.
Yes.
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MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay,
k a y , I Ihhave
a v e nno
o f further
uestions.
MS.
GERBER:
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou.
MS. G
E R B E R : IIhhave
a v e nnothing
o t h i n g ffurther,
u r t h e r , Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . Thank
Thank
MS.
GERBER:
yo u .
you.
THE C
OURT: M
r. K
i yu n a .
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Kiyuna.
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUh,
h , t hthank
a n k yyou,
o u , j judge.
u d g e . II'd
d llike
i k e to
t o go
g o ahead
ahead
a n d ccall
a l l Mrs.
M r s . Kangas.
Kangas.
and
SWORN)
(WITNESS
THE C
O U R T : CCould
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o u pplease
l e a s e sstate
t a t e yyour
o u r ffull
u l l name,
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THE
COURT:
10
s p e l l your
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a s t name
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o r tthe
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12
MS.
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HUNTER-KANGAS: M
y nname
a m e i is
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indy H
unterK a n g a s . It's
I t s K-A-N-G-A-S.
K-A-N-G-A-S.
Kangas.
13
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C I N D Y HUNTER-KANGAS,
HUNTER-KANGAS,
14
a w
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he D
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DIRECT
EXAMINATION
18
BY
BY M
MR.
R. K
KIYUNA:
IYUNA:
19
Q
Q
20
R a y m o n d SScott
c o t t Kangas?
Kangas?
Raymond
21
Y e s , I am.
am.
Yes,
22
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u bbeen
een m
arried?
And
married?
23
Uh, w
e v e been
b e e n married
m a r r i e d for
f o r 27
2 7 yyears.
ears.
Uh,
we've
24
Q
Q
A n d ddo
o yyou
o u hhave
a v e cchildren?
hildren?
And
25
W e ddo.
o. W
e hhave
a v e ttwo
w o bboys;
o y s ; a 1 44-year-old
- y e a r - o l d and
a n d aa 11 00-year
-ye a r
We
We
Um, w
ell M
rs. K
a n g a s , yyou're
o u r e oobviously
b v i o u s l y married
m a r r i e d to
to
Um,
well
Mrs.
Kangas,
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1
old.
old.
Q
Q
A n d tthey
h e y llive
i v e at
a t home
h o m e with
w i t h you?
yo u ?
And
T
h e y ddo.
o.
They
Q
Q
N o w hhow
o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e yyou
o u l lived
i v e d i in
n yyour
o u r ccurrent
u r r e n t rresidence?
esidence?
Now
U h , ffor
o r tthree
h r e e yyears.
ears.
Uh,
Q
Q
A n d pprior
r i o r tto
o tthat
h a t you
y o u llived
i v e d in
i n Nevada?
Nevada?
And
W e ddid
i d ffor
o r 88 yyears.
ears.
We
Q
Q
N o w tthe
h e eeconomic
c o n o m i c ddownturn,
o w n t u r n , t the
h e ggreat
r e a t rrecession
e c e s s i o n aas
s iit's
ts
Now
c a l l e d , uh,
u h , how
h o w ddid
i d tthat
h a t affect
a f f e c t your
y o u r family?
fa m i l y?
called,
10
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a y m o n d llost
o s t hhis
i s jjob
o b aand
nd w
e llost
o s t oour
u r hhome
o m e aand
n d iit's
ts
Well
Raymond
we
11
b e e n vvery
e r y ddifficult.
ifficult.
been
12
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Q
13
ffrom
r o m tthe
h e ppipe
i p e ffitters?
itters?
14
H e ddid,
i d , yes.
ye s.
He
15
Q
Q
A n d iis
s tthat
hat w
h a t tthe
he m
o n e y yyou
o u uused
s e d tto
o rrelocate
e l o c a t e hhere?
ere?
And
what
money
16
Yes.
Yes.
17
Q
Q
U m , aabout
b o u t hhow
ow m
u c h ddid
i d iitt ccost
o s t yyou
o u tto
o ppurchase
u r c h a s e your
yo ur
Um,
much
18
c u r r e n t house?
house?
current
19
O u r home
h o m e was
w a s worth,
w o r t h ,I Ithink,
t h i n k$4
, $ 45,0
5 , 000O.
0.
Our
20
Q
Q
Oka y. N
o w yyou're
o u r e ccurrently
u r r e n t l y working?
working?
Okay.
Now
21
I am.
am.
22
Q
Q
And w
h e r e do
d o you
yo u w
ork?
And
where
work?
23
II w
o r k aatt SSt.
t. A
lphonses M
edical C
e n t e r iin
n O
ntario.
work
Alphonses
Medical
Center
Ontario.
24
Q
Q
And w
h a t do
d o you
y o u do?
do?
And
what
25
II'm
m a housekeeper.
housekeeper.
O k a y . Um,
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o w RRaymond
a y m o n d hhad
a d tto
o wwithdraw
i t h d r a w hhis
i s ppension
ension
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1
Q
Q
U m , nnow
o w aand
n d IIrreally
e a l l y hhate
a t e tto
o aask
s k yyou
o u tthis
h i s qquestion
u e s t i o n but
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Urn,
h a v e tto
o aask
s k iit,
t , okay?
ok a y?
have
Mmm H
m m ((INDICATING
INDICATING Y
ES).
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YES).
Q
Q
Um, w
h a t s your
y o u r income?
income?
Urn,
what's
Y e a r l y II probably
p r o b a b l ymake
m a k e$2$ 22,0
2 , 000O.
0.
Yearly
Q
Q
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And R
a ym o n d w
o r k s aat
t PPayette
a y e t t e Rock.
Rock.
Okay.
Raymond
works
H e ddoes.
oes.
He
Q
Q
And w
h a t s hhis
i s iincome,
n c o m e , aapproximately?
p p ro x i m a te l y?
And
what's
$ 3 00,0
, 0 0000aayyear.
ear.
$3
10
Q
Q
O k a y. N
o w , uurn,
m , ddo
o yyou
o u hhave
a v e aany
n y oother
t h e r ssources
o u r c e s ooff ffamily
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Okay.
Now,
11
i n c o m e oother
t h e r than
t h a n your
y o u r ssalary
a l a r y and
and R
a ym o n d s?
income
Raymond's?
12
No.
No.
13
Q
Q
U m , sso
o bbasically
a s i c a l l y yyour
o u r ccombined
o m b i n e d ssalary
a l a r y ttakes
a k e s care
c a r e of
o f the
the
Urn,
14
ffamily
a m i l y and
a n d hhouse
o u s e ppayments
a y m e n t s aand
n d iinsurance,
n s u r a n c e , tthat
h a t kind
k i n d of
o f tthing?
hing?
15
Y e s , iitt does.
does.
Yes,
16
Q
Q
Uh, w
h a t kkind
i n d ooff vvehicle
e h i c l e do
d o you
y o u have?
have?
Uh,
what
17
I hhave
a v e aa 22008
0 0 8 KKia
i a aand
n d RRaymond
a y m o n d hhas
a s aa,
, I It hthink
i n k iit's
t s a `99
99
18
Dodge D
urango.
Dodge
Durango.
19
Q
Q
20
h o w s that
t h a t going
g o i n g to
t o affect
a f f e c t you?
yo u ?
how's
21
22
j o b and
a n d oour
u r cchildren
h i l d r e n will
w i l l be
b e home
h o m e by
b y tthemselves
h e m s e l v e s most
m o s t of
o f the
t h e day.
d a y.
job
23
Q
Q
24
habits
w
h a t kkind
i n d ooff bbad
a d hhabits
a b i t s does
d o e s Raymond
R a y m o n d hhave
a v e bbesides
esides
habits
what
25
s m o k i n g ccigarettes?
igarettes?
smoking
O k a y. U
h, w
e l l iiff yyou
o u ddon't
o n t have
h a v e Raymond's
R a y m o n d s income
income
Okay.
Uh,
well
W e l l , iitt will
w i l l affect
a f f e c t us
u s greatly.
g r e a t l y . II will
w i l l have
h a v e to
t o get
g e t aa second
second
Well,
W e l l llet
e t me
m e sshift
h i f t gears
g e a r s on
o n you
y o u aa llittle
i t t l e bit
b i t here.
h e r e . Urn,
U m , bad
bad
Well
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1877
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1
H e hhas
a s nno
o bbad
a d hhabits.
abits. H
e ddoesn't
o e s n t drink,
d r i n k , no
n o drugs;
d r u g s ; he
h e is
i s aa
He
He
s i m p l e man.
m a n . Goes
G o e s tto
o w
ork, w
o r k s hhard,
a r d , comes
c o m e s home
h o m e aand
n d ttakes
a k e s ccare
are
simple
work,
works
o f hhis
i s ffamily.
a m i l y.
of
Q
Q
Uh, w
e l l hhe
e ddid
i d hhave
a v e aa m
edical m
a r i j u a n a ccard,
a r d , rright?
ight?
Uh,
well
medical
marijuana
H e ddoes,
o e s , yes.
ye s.
He
Q
Q
And w
h e n tthe
h e ssearch
earch w
a r r a n t was
w a s iissued
s s u e d and
a n d your
y o u r house
house
And
when
warrant
w a s ssearched
e a r c h e d tthey
h e y ttook
o o k hhis
is m
edical m
arijuana?
was
medical
marijuana?
T
h e y ddid.
id.
They
Q
Q
U m , aactually
c t u a l l y did
d i d you
y o u ever
e v e r see
s e e him
h i m uuse
s e iit?
t?
Um,
10
Never.
Never.
11
Q
Q
D i d hhe
e eever
v e r uuse
s e iitt iin
n ffront
r o n t oof
f tthe
h e cchildren?
hildren?
Did
12
Never.
Never.
13
Q
Q
U m , aand
n d ccould
o u l d II
e a l l y hhate
a t e tto
o aask
s k yyou
o u tthis
h i s but
but I
Um,
IIrreally
14
h a v e tto,
o , um,
u m , tthis
h i s whole
w h o l e issue
i s s u e of
o f drug
d r u g dependence
d e p e n d e n c e became
b e c a m e very
very
have
15
p e r s o n a l and
and a
a vvery
e r y sserious
e r i o u s ffamily
a m i l y ssituation
i t u a t i o n for
f o r you
y o u at
a t one
o n e ppoint,
oint,
personal
16
right?
right?
17
Yes.
Yes.
18
Q
Q
What w
a s tthat?
hat?
What
was
19
U m , II w
o r k e d aa rreally
e a l l y pphysical
h y s i c a l job
j o b and
a n d II hurt
h u r t my
m y back
back
Um,
worked
20
and w
a s pprescribed
r e s c r i b e d ppain
ain m
e d i c a t i o n and
a n d bbecame
e c a m e aaddicted.
ddicted.
and
was
medication
21
Q
Q
O k a y . Um,
U m , tthat
h a t was
w a s when
w h e n yyou
ou w
e r e iin
n N
evada?
Okay.
were
Nevada?
22
IItt was.
was.
23
Q
Q
A n d , uum,
m , hhow
o w llong
o n g ddid
i d iitt ttake
a k e yyou
o u tto
o cconquer
o n q u e r tthis
h i s pain
pain
And,
24
m e d i c a t i o n aaddiction?
ddiction?
medication
25
U h , pprobably
robably
II uused
s e d ffor
o r ttwo
w o yyears
e a r s aand
n d tthen
h e n II ddecided
ecided
Uh,
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1
t o choose
c h o o s e aa pprogram
r o g r a m aand
n d ttake
ake m
e t h a d o n e ssubstitute,
ubstitute, a
a rreplacement
eplacement
to
methadone
ffor
o r an
a n oopiate
p i a t e addiction;
a d d i c t i o n ; and
a n d II think
t h i n k II was
w a s on
o n tthat
h a t for
f o r about
a b o u t five
five
ye a rs.
years.
Q
Q
h a v e tto
o ggo
o tto
o aacclinic
l i n i c oor
r ddoctor's
o c t o r s ooffice,
f f i c e , right?
right?
have
Yes.
Yes.
Q
Q
A n d gget
e t tthe
he m
e a s u r e d dosage?
dosage?
And
measured
Yes.
Yes.
Q
Q
A n d tthey're
h e y r e gradually
gradually
tthe
h e ddosages
o s a g e s aare
r e rreduced,
e d u c e d , is
is
And
O k a y. A
n d dduring
u r i n g tthat
h a t pperiod,
e r i o d , well
w e l l the
t h e methadone
m e t h a d o n e you
yo u
Okay.
And
10
that...?
that...?
11
12
of m
ethadone.
of
methadone.
13
Q
Q
14
a r e ssubject
u b j e c t tto
o uurinalysis
r i n a l y s i s ttesting,
e s t i n g , right?
right?
are
15
Yes,
Y e s , I am.
am.
16
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u uuse
s e aany
ny m
edical m
arijuana?
Do
medical
marijuana?
17
N o , II ddon't.
ont.
No,
18
Q
Q
Um,
U m , nnow
o w iis
s RRaymond
a y m o n d a an
n i nintegral
t e g r a l ppart
a r t oof
f yyour
o u r cchildren's
hildrens
19
upbringing?
upbringing?
20
Y e s , hhe
e iis.
s . He's
H e s their
t h e i r father
f a t h e r and
a n d they
t h e y need
n e e d him
h i m at
a t home.
home.
Yes,
21
Q
Q
O k a y. U
m , yyou
o u kknow
n o w wwere
e r e hhe
e nnot
o t iin
n jjail
a i l hhe'd
e d be
b e home
home
Okay.
Um,
22
e ve ryd a y?
everyday?
23
Y e s , he
h e would.
would.
Yes,
24
Q
Q
D o e s hhe
e ccook?
ook?
Does
25
H e ccan,
a n , yyeah.
eah.
He
Y e s . It
I t took
t o o k me
m e aa yyear
e a r aand
n d aa hhalf
a l f tto
o gget
e t ooff
f f 550
0 m
illigrams
Yes.
milligrams
O k a y. U
m, w
e l l rright
i g h t nnow
ow w
o r k i n g ffor
o r tthe
h e hhospital
o s p i t a l you
yo u
Okay.
Um,
well
working
KANGAS, C. - D.
1879
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1
Q
Q
disciplining?
disciplining?
Y e s , he
h e ddoes.
oes.
Yes,
Q
Q
D o e s hhe
e llecture
e c t u r e tthem
h e m iiff tthey
h e y nneed
e e d llecturing?
ecturing?
Does
Y e s , he
h e ddoes.
oes.
Yes,
Q
Q
U m , ddoes
o e s hhe
e ttell
e l l tthem
h e m tto
o ddo
o rright?
ight?
Um,
H e s aa good
g o o d eexample
x a m p l e ffor
o r ddoing
o i n g tthe
h e rright
i g h t tthing.
hing. H
e s aa...
...
He's
He's
Q
Q
Oka y.
Okay.
. . . h o n e s t , caring,
c a r i n g , loyal,
l o y a l ,beautiful
b e a u t i f u lhuman
h u m a n being;
b e i n g ; we
w e need
need
...honest,
10
11
12
Oka y. D
o e s hhe
e
o e s hhe
e ddiscipline
i s c i p l i n e tthem
h e m iiff they
t h e y need
need
Okay.
Does
ddoes
h i m tto
o come
c o m e home.
home.
him
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , mma'am,
a a m , IIddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aanything
n yt h i n g
ffurther,
u r t h e r , judge.
judge.
13
MR. D
U G A N : I Iddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aany
n y qquestions.
uestions.
MR.
DUGAN:
14
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, m
a a m . We
W e aare
r e going
g o i n g to
t o go
go
THE
COURT:
ma'am.
15
a h e a d and
a n d ttake
a k e a lunch
l u n c h break
b r e a k and
a n d I will
w i l l see
s e e you
y o u at
a t 3:30
3 : 3 0 your
y o u r ttime.
ime.
ahead
16
T
h a n k you.
yo u .
Thank
17
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COURT:
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O r e g o n v.
v . Raymond
R a y m o n d Scott
S c o t tKangas
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c a snumber
e n u m b e1r 2-0
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0 9 - 48822 8C.
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Hey,
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Mr.
r. K
Kiyuna.
i yu n a .
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MR. K
IYUNA: Y
e s , jjudge.
udge.
MR.
KIYUNA:
Yes,
22
THE C
O U R T : IIssigned
i g n e d tthat
hat m
o t i o n aand
n d oorder
r d e r for
for
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COURT:
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23
a p p e a r a n c e iin
n nnon-jail
o n - j a i l clothing.
c l o t h i n g . Just
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s o the
t h e court
c o u r t staff
s t a f f knows,
k n o w s , that
that
appearance
24
s h o u l d be
b e in
i n this
t h i scase
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n u m b e of
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25
n u m b e r of
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i n k t hthere
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a s aa ttypo.
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number
was
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BAILEY, K. - D.
1
MR.
Okay.
M R . KIYUNA:
KIYUNA: O
k a y.
THE C
OURT: S
o.
THE
COURT:
So.
MR. K
I Y U N A : TThank
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ou.
MR.
KIYUNA:
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Kiyuna,
THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
lright, M
r. K
i y u n a , do
d o yyou
o u hhave
a v e aany
n y oother
ther
witnesses?
witnesses?
MR. K
IYUNA: U
m , II ddo
o jjudge.
udge.
MR.
KIYUNA:
Um,
THE C
OURT: G
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
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MR. K
IYUNA: K
e v i n BBailey.
a i l e y.
MR.
KIYUNA:
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SWORN)
(WITNESS
10
THE C
O U R T : CCould
o u l d yyou
o u pplease
l e a s e sstate
t a t e yyour
o u r ffull
u l l name,
name,
THE
COURT:
11
s p e l l your
y o u r last
l a s t name
n a m e for
f o r the
t h e record.
r e c o r d . And
A n d if
i f II could
c o u l d have
h a v e the
t h e camera
camera
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12
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a d y try
t r y and
a n d zoom
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n sso
o II ccan
a n ssee
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he w
i t n e s s . Thank
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yo u .
witness.
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14
MR.
BAILEY:
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KEVIN
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16
a w
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o n bbehalf
e h a l f of
o f tthe
he D
h a v i n g bbeen
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s w o r n bby
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l e r k oof
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he C
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a s eexamined
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o n his
his
sworn
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Court,
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18
o a t h as
a s ffollows:
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19
EXAMINATION
DIRECT
20
BY
BY M
MR.
R. K
KIYUNA:
IYUNA:
21
Q
Q
Mr. B
a i l e y , what
w h a t do
d o you
y o u ddo
o ffor
o r aa lliving?
iving?
Mr.
Bailey,
22
I oown
w n PPayette
a y e t t e Rock
R o c k and
a n d Redi-Mix
R e d i - M i x and
a n d Vale
Vale
or
o r Oregon
Oregon
23
T
r a i l Sand
S a n d and
and G
ravel.
Trail
Gravel.
24
Q
Q
O k a y . How
H o w ddo
o yyou
o u kknow
n o w RRaymond
a y m o n d SScott
cott K
angas?
Okay.
Kangas?
25
H e s one
o n e of
o f my
m y kkey
e y eemployees.
m p l o ye e s.
He's
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1881
BAILEY, K. - D.
1
Q
Q
And
A n d hhow
o w llong
o n g hhave
a v e you
y o u known
k n o w n him?
him?
O h , aabout
b o u t ffive
i v e years
y e a r s now,
n o w , rroughly.
ou gh l y.
Oh,
Q
Q
Oka y. N
o w hhe
e w
o r k s ffor
o r yyou
o u ccurrently?
u rre nt l y?
Okay.
Now
works
Right.
Right.
Q
Q
And w
h a t s hhis
i s pposition?
osition?
And
what's
H e s my
m y yyard
a r d fforeman,
o r e m a n , lloader
o a d e r ooperator,
p e r a t o r , equipment
equipment
He's
o p e r a t o r ; he's
h e spretty
p r e t t ymuch
m u c h the
t h e backbone
b a c k b o n e of
o f the
t h e company
c o m p a n y in
i n the
the
operator;
ya rd .
yard.
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m , sso
o iit
t iis
s ffair
a i r tto
o ssay
a y tthat
h a t hhe's
e s aa key
k e y part
p a r t of
o f your
yo u r
Okay.
Um,
10
operation?
operation?
11
O h yyeah,
e a h , vvery
e r y kkey
e y ppart.
art.
Oh
12
Q
Q
U m , iif
f hhe's
e s not
n o t there
t h e r e what
w h a t happens
h a p p e n s to
t o your
y o u r bbusiness?
usiness?
Um,
13
W e l l ssince
i n c e hhe's
e s been
b e e n tthere
h e r e we've
w e v e lost
l o s t business
b u s i n e s s because
because
Well
14
II've
v e had
h a d to
t o retrain
r e t r a i n somebody
s o m e b o d y to
t o try
t r y to
t o help
h e l p us
u s out
o u t to
t o get
g e t through
through
15
t h i s time.
t i m e . So
S o aactually
c t u a l l y we're
w e r e losing
l o s i n g money.
m o n e y.
this
16
Q
Q
O h , ssince
i n c e hhe's
e s been
b e e n in
i n jail
j a i l you
y o u mean?
mean?
Oh,
17
Yeah.
Yeah.
18
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m, w
e l l , obviously
o b v i o u s l y you
y o u rely
r e l y on
o n him.
h i m . Is
I s he
h e aa
Okay.
Um,
well,
19
s t e a d y worker,
w o r k e r , show
s h o w up
u p on
o n ttime?
ime?
steady
20
21
t o , he's
h e s there
t h e r e all
a l l the
t h e time.
time.
to,
22
Q
Q
Oka y. A
n y bbehavioral
e h a v i o r a l pproblems?
roblems?
Okay.
Any
23
None. H
e s an
an A
e m p l o ye e .
None.
He's
Al1 employee.
24
Q
Q
O k a y . How
H o w ddoes
o e s hhe
e ddo
o w
i t h ppeople?
eople?
Okay.
with
25
H e s got
g o t very
v e r y ggood
o o d ppeople
e o p l e sskills.
kills. A
c t u a l l y aall
l l tthe
h e ddrivers
rivers
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Actually
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e a h , hhe's
e s aalways
l w a y s tthere
h e r e eearly,
a r l y , stays
s t a y s late
l a t e if
i f he
h e needs
needs
Oh
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1882
BAILEY, K. - D.
1
a r e wondering
w o n d e r i n g where
w h e r e he
h e iiss because
b e c a u s e they
t h e y all
a l l know
k n o w him
h i m and
a n d llike
ike
are
h i m ; sso
o tthey're
h e y r e wondering
w o n d e r i n g where
w h e r e he
h e is.
i s . And
And w
e v e kind
k i n d of
o f nnot
o t ttold
old
him;
we've
a n yb o d y w
h e r e hhe's
e s been.
been.
anybody
where
Q
Q
g o o d , ffair,
a i r , poor?
poor?
good,
Excellent.
E
xcellent.
Q
Q
Y o u kknow
n o w aany
n y ssick
i c k ddays,
a y s , aany
n y kkind
i n d oof
f tthing
h i n g llike
i k e tthat?
hat?
You
No. N
o , hhe
e ccomes
o m e s tto
o wwork
o r k ssick.
i c k . IIf
f hhe's
e s nnot
o t ffeeling
e e l i n g well
well
No.
No,
h e l l come
c o m e to
t o work
w o r k ssick.
ick.
he'll
O k a y. U
m, w
e l l yyou
o u kknow
n o w hhis
i s aattendance
t t e n d a n c e and
a n d work
w o r k is
is
Okay.
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well
10
Q
Q
W e l l , um,
u m , you
y o u know
k n o w yyou
o u hhave
a v e aany
n y pproblems
r o b l e m s with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
Well,
11
K a n g a s sshowing
h o w i n g uup
p iintoxicated,
n t o x i c a t e d , aany
n y kkind
i n d oof
f tthing
h i n g llike
i k e tthat?
hat?
Kangas
12
N e v e r , no.
no.
Never,
13
Q
Q
N o w , uum,
m , II tthink
h i n k yyou
o u ssaid
a i d eearlier
a r l i e r oon
n tthat
h a t ssince
i n c e hhe's
e s been
been
Now,
14
i n jjail
a i l you
yo u
o u n d s llike
i k e yyou've
o u v e bbeen
e e n hhaving
a v i n g ttrouble
r o u b l e rreplacing
eplacing
in
ssounds
15
him?
him?
16
17
will
w i l l fill
f i l l his
h i s shoes.
shoes.
18
Q
Q
Okay.
O k a y.
19
B e c a u s e tthe
h e jjob
o b tthat
h a t he
h e ddoes
o e s iisn't
s n t something
s o m e t h i n g you
y o u pick
p i c k up
up
Because
20
overnight.
overnight.
21
Q
Q
22
t h i n g , II mean
mean w
h a t aare
re w
e ttalking
a l k i n g aabout
b o u t hhere?
e r e ? TTechnical
e c h n i c a l tthings,
hings,
thing,
what
we
23
c i v i l engineering
e n g i n e e r i n g things?
things?
civil
24
25
t h e rock
r o c k is
i s stocked
s t o c k e d the
t h e way
w a y iitt should
s h o u l d be.
b e . If
I f we're
w e r e running
r u n n i n g low
l o w on
o n aa
the
W e v e been
b e e n having
h a v i n g a hhard
a r d ttime
i m e finding
f i n d i n g somebody
s o m e b o d y tthat
hat
We've
O k a y. B
u t oother
t h e r tthan
h a n tthe
h e ppeople
e o p l e sskills
k i l l s and
a n d tthat
h a t kind
k i n d of
of
Okay.
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N o , bbasically
a s i c a l l y he's
h e smy
m y yard
y a r d foreman.
f o r e m a n . He
H e makes
m a k e s ssure
u r e tthat
hat
No,
BAILEY, K. - D.
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BAILEY, K. - D.
1
p r o d u c t he's
h e s the
t h e man
m a n that
t h a t tells
t e l l sthe
t h eother
o t h e rguys
g u y swhat
w h a t we
w e need
n e e d to
t o do
do
product
t o get
g e t the
t h e rock
r o c k piles
p i l e s back
b a c k where
w h e r e they
t h e y need
n e e d to
t o be.
be.
to
Q
Q
O k a y , sso
o kkeep
e e p yyour
o u r iinventory
n v e n t o r y up?
up?
Okay,
Right.
Right.
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m , aanticipates
n t i c i p a t e s jjob
o b oorders,
r d e r s , that
t h a t kind
k i n d of
o f thing?
thing?
Okay.
Um,
Y e a h , II kkind
i n d ooff ttell
e l l him
him w
h a t s going
g o i n g on
o n and
a n d then
t h e n he
h e ssets
ets
Yeah,
what's
u p tthe
h e rrest
e s t of
o f tthe
h e gguys
u y s aaccordingly
c c o r d i n g l y tto
o gget
e t tthe
h e pproduce
r o d u c e rrolling.
olling.
up
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m , iis
s i it
t ffair
a i r tto
o ccall
a l l hhim
i m aasself-starter?
elf-starter?
Okay.
Um,
Oh
O h yyeah.
eah.
10
11
MR. K
I Y U N A : OOkay,
k a y , t hthank
a n k yyou.
o u . IIddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aanything
n yt hi n g
MR.
KIYUNA:
ffurther,
u r t h e r , judge.
judge.
12
EXAMINATION
CROSS
13
BY
MR.
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
14
Q
Q
15
week w
o u l d he
h e hhave
ave a
a jjob
o b with
w i t h you?
yo u ?
week
would
16
17
18
IIff he
he w
a s rreleased
e l e a s e d from
f r o m jjail
a i l tomorrow
t o m o r r o w or
o r today
t o d a y or
o r next
next
was
O h yyeah.
eah.
Oh
MR. D
U G A N : OOkay.
k a y . I Id don't
o n t hhave
a v e aany
n y ffurther
uestions
MR.
DUGAN:
Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
19
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , ssir.
ir. N
e x t , Mr.
Mr. K
i yu n a .
THE
COURT:
Next,
Kiyuna.
20
MR.
MR. K
KIYUNA:
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , yyou
o u kknow
now M
Mr.
r. M
Mink,
i n k , II tthink
h i n k aa llot
o t of
of
21
w h a t yyou
ou w
e r e ggoing
o i n g tto
o ssay
a y iis
s kkind
i n d oof
f dduplication
u p l i c a t i o n tthere,
h e r e , okay?
o ka y?
what
were
22
U m , jjudge,
u d g e , II tthink
h i n k II'm
m good
g o o d iin
n tterms
e r m s oof
fw
itnesses.
Um,
witnesses.
23
24
25
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . LLet's
e t s ggo
o aahead
h e a d aand
n d hhear
e a r your
y o u r money
money
THE
COURT:
r e q u e s t , Mr.
M r . ----request,
MR. D
U G A N : OOkay,
k a y , wwe
e ccall
a l l BBrad
rad W
illiams.
MR.
DUGAN:
Williams.
BAILEY, K. - X. (DUGAN)
1884
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
1
THE C
O U R T : . ...your
. .yo u r w
i t n e s s on
o n the
t h e money.
m o n e y . Okay.
Ok a y.
THE
COURT:
witness
SWORN)
(WITNESS
S
G T . BRADLY
B R A D L Y WILLIAMS,
W I L LI A M S ,
SGT.
a w
i t n e s s ccalled
a l l e d oon
n bbehalf
e h a l f oof
f tthe
h e PPetitioner,
e t i t i o n e r , having
h a v i n g been
b e e n ffirst
i r s t duly
duly
a
witness
s w o r n bby
y tthe
he C
l e r k oof
f tthe
he C
ourt, w
a s eexamined
x a m i n e d aand
n d ttestified
e s t i f i e d on
o n his
his
sworn
Clerk
Court,
was
o a t h as
a s ffollows:
ollows:
oath
DIRECT
EXAMINATION
BY M
R . DUGAN:
DUGAN:
BY
MR.
Q
Q
Mr. W
i l l i a m s , state
s t a t e your
y o u r name
n a m e and
a n d spell
s p e l l your
y o u r last
l a s t name
name
Mr.
Williams,
10
ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord,
e c o r d , pplease.
lease.
11
Bradley
B r a d l e y Dean
D e a n Williams,
W i l l i a m s , W-I-L-L-I-A-M-S.
W -I-L-L-I-A-M -S .
12
Q
Q
A n d hhow
o w aare
r e yyou
o u ccurrently
u r r e n t l y employed?
e m p l o ye d ?
And
13
II'm
m employed
e m p l o ye d w
i t h tthe
he M
a l h e u r CCounty
o u n t y SSheriff's
h e r i f f s ooffice.
ffice.
with
Malheur
14
Q
Q
A n d yyou
o u wwere
e r e t the
h e l lead
e a d iinvestigator
n v e s t i g a t o r iin
n ccharge
h a r g e ooff tthis
his
And
15
i n v e s t i g a t i o n of
o f the
t h e 445th
5 t h PParallel?
arallel?
investigation
16
Y e s , I was.
was.
Yes,
17
Q
Q
W e r e yyou
o u aasked
s k e d tto
o ddo
o ssome
o m e rresearch
esearch w
i t h rregard
e g a r d to
to
Were
with
18
p r o p e r t y ownership
o w n e r s h i p that
t h a t Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n may
m a y have?
have?
property
19
20
I ddid.
id.
MS. G
E R B E R : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , II'm
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o oobject
b j e c t to
t o any
any
MS.
GERBER:
21
i n t r o d u c t i o n of
o f evidence
t h a t we
w e hhaven't
a v e n t seen
s e e n before.
b e f o r e . Has
H a s tthis
his
introduction
22
b e e n tturned
u r n e d over
o v e r in
i n ddiscovery?
i sc o ve ry?
been
23
THE C
OURT: M
r. D
ugan.
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Dugan.
24
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , I Iddon't
o n t kknow
n o w iif
f tthis
h i s has
h a s been
been
MR.
DUGAN:
25
p r e v i o u s l y discovered
d i s c o v e r e d or
o r not,
n o t , but
b u t we
w e previously
p r e v i o u s l y have
h a v e provided
provided
previously
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
1885
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
1
d o c u m e n t a t i o n to
t o Ms.
Ms. G
e r b e r aand
n d aall
l l tthe
h e oother
t h e r ddefendants
e f e n d a n t s as
a s to
t o the
the
documentation
Gerber
th
llocation
o c a t i o n of
o f one
o n e of
o f the
t h e houses
h o u s e sata t520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15
1 5 th
S t r e e t in
i n Vale.
V a l e . There's
Theres
Street
p u b l i c records
r e c o r d s at
a t the
the
at
a t the
t h e courthouse
c o u r t h o u s e with
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o the
the
public
v a l u a t i o n of
o f that
t h a t property.
p r o p e r t y . We've
W e v e provided
p r o v i d e d information
i n f o r m a t i o n about
about
valuation
llocation
o c a t i o n of
o f some
s o m e pproperty
r o p e r t y oon,
n , uum,
m , II tthink
h i n k iit's
t s 1369
1369
I forget
forget
w h a t tthe
h e address
a d d r e s s is
i s there,
t h e r e , but
b u t two
t w o houses
h o u s e s away
a w a y from
f r o m the
the
what
d i s p e n s a r y llocation.
o c a t i o n . And
A n d Mrs.
Mrs. E
s b e n s e n ttestified
e s t i f i e d about
a b o u t the
the
dispensary
Esbensen
t h a t they
t h e y owned
o w n e d up
u p by
by T
a m a r a c k iin
n IIdaho.
d a h o . II think
t h i n k that
that
property
Tamarack
O f f i c e r Williams
W i l l i a m s ccan
a n ffurther
u r t h e r elaborate
e l a b o r a t e on
o n the
t h e values
v a l u e s of
o f those
those
Officer
10
p r o p e r t i e s . And
A n d tthis
h i s iisn't
s n t aa guilt
g u i l t phase
p h a s e anymore,
a n y m o r e , tthis
h i s is
i s aa
properties.
11
s e n t e n c i n g phase.
phase.
sentencing
1886
12
THE C
OURT: M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
13
MS. G
u d g e , I Ihhave
a v e aabsolutely
b s o l u t e l y nno
o cclue
lue w
h a t iitt is
is
MS.
GERBER:
what
14
t h a t they're
t h e y r e trying
t r y i n g to
t o introduce.
i n t r o d u c e . I've
I v e never
n e v e r seen
s e e n what
w h a t they're
t h e yre
that
15
t r y i n g to
t o introduce,
i n t r o d u c e , and
a n d there's
t h e r e s no
n o way,
w a y , whatsoever,
w h a t s o e v e r , for
f o r us
u s to
to
trying
16
r e b u t anything
a n y t h i n g tthey
h e y aare
r e trying
t r y i n g to
t o introduce
i n t r o d u c e with
w i t h having
h a v i n g zero
z e r o notice
notice
rebut
17
of
o f it.
it.
18
THE C
O U R T : WWell,
e l l , t hthe
e bbusinesses
u s i n e s s e s tthat
h a t tthe
h e lland
a n d that
that
THE
COURT:
19
h o u s e d ttwo
w o ddoors
o o r s ddown,
o w n , tthe
h e house
h o u s e in
i n Vale
V a l e you
y o u would
w o u l d know
k n o w jjust
u s t as
as
housed
20
m u c h aas
s aanyone
n y o n e eelse.
l s e . II'll
l l overrule
o v e r r u l e right
r i g h t now.
n o w . II mean
m e a n I don't
d o n t know
know
much
21
h o w iit's
t s going
g o i n g to
t o play
p l a y into
i n t o things,
t h i n g s , but
b u t I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o overrule
o v e r r u l e at
at
how
22
t h i s point.
p o i n t . Go
G o ahead,
a h e a d , you
y o u can
c a n testify.
te st i fy.
this
23
Q
Q
24
r e g a r d i n g to
t o the
t h e assessed
a s s e s s e d valuation
v a l u a t i o n of
o f the
t h eproperty
p r o p e r t y520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15t
1 5 t hh
regarding
25
S
t r e e t in
i n Vale?
Vale?
Street
W e l l , Officer
O f f i c e r Williams,
W i l l i a m s , did
d i d you
y o u acquire
a c q u i r e some
s o m e documents
documents
Well,
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
1
Y e s , I hhave.
ave.
Yes,
Q
Q
And w
h a t iis
s tthe
h e aassessed
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a l u e oof
f tthat
h a t pproperty?
ro pe rty?
And
what
Uh, M
a l h e u r County
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s s e s s e d value
v a l u e (INAUDIBLE)
( I N A U D I B L E ) rreal
eal
Uh,
Malheur
m a r k e t value
v a l u eisi sassessed
a s s e s s e data$5
t $ 4,4
5 4 , 422O.
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market
Q
Q
on
on
ooff
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o f Highway
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1?
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e s II ddid.
id.
Um,
Q
Q
W h a t s the
t h e address
a d d r e s s again
a g a i n tthere?
here?
What's
th
U h , 1369
1 3 6 9 SS.W.
. W . 30
3 0 th
i n Ontario.
O n t a r i o . That's
T h a t s under
u n d e r the
t h e 45th
45th
Uh,
in
1887
D i d yyou
o u aalso
l s o llook
o o k iinto
n t o tthe
h e vvalue
a l u e oof
f tthe
h e pproperty
r o p e r t y llocated
ocated
Did
10
Parallel.
Parallel.
11
Q
Q
12
P a r a l l e l , correct?
correct?
Parallel,
13
T
h a t s correct.
correct.
That's
14
Q
Q
O k a y. A
n d wwhat's
h a t s tthe
h e vvaluation
a l u a t i o n of
o f that
t h a t property?
p ro p e rt y?
Okay.
And
15
II left
l e f t it
i t sitting
s i t t i n g on
o n the
t h e desk.
d e s k . Okay,
O k a y , so
s o the
t h e valuation
valuation
the
the
16
th
v a l u a t i o n on
o n the
t h e property
p r o p e r t y at
a t1369
1 3 6 9 S.W.
S . W . 30
3 0 th
S t r e e t in
i n Ontario.
O n t a r i o . Um,
Um,
valuation
Street
17
t h i s is
i s again
a g a i n Malheur
County A
s s e s s o r s ooffice
f f i c e values
v a l u e s the
t h e real
real
this
Assessor's
18
m a r k e t value
v a l u eata $7
t $ 9,2
7 9 , 200O.
0.
market
19
Q
Q
20
u p iin
n Idaho
I d a h o tthat
h a t is
i s in
i n that
t h a t subdivision
s u b d i v i s i o n that
t h a t Mrs.
M r s . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n talked
talked
up
21
about.
about.
22
T
h a t s correct.
correct.
That's
23
Q
Q
And w
h a t iis
s tthe
h e address
a d d r e s s there?
there?
And
what
24
T
h i s iis
s in
i n Valley
Valley C
o u n t y , uum,
m , I Iddon't
o n t bbelieve
e l i e v e tthat
h a t iitt lists
lists
This
County,
25
a address.
a d d r e s s . It
I t lists
l i s t s the
t h e neighborhood
n e i g h b o r h o o d number...
number...
a
A n d tthat
hat
tthat
h a t property
p r o p e r t y was
w a s purchased
p u r c h a s e d under
u n d e r the
t h e 45th
45th
And
O k a y. U
m , yyou
o u aalso
lso w
e r e aasked
s k e d tto
o llook
o o k iinto
n t o the
t h e property
property
Okay.
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were
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
WILLIAMS, B. - D.
1
Q
Q
L
o t nnumber?
umber?
Lot
A llot
o t nnumber,
u m b e r , yeah.
ye a h .
A
Q
Q
Oka y. U
m, w
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a s tthat
h a t llot
o t ppurchased
u r c h a s e d by
b y the
the
Okay.
Um,
when
was
E
sbensens?
Esbensens?
U h , iitt was
w a s purchased
p u r c h a s e d on
o n February
F e b r u a r y 2nd,
2 n d , 2012.
2012.
Uh,
Q
Q
And w
hat w
a s tthe
h e ppurchase
u r c h a s e price?
price?
And
what
was
P u r c h a s e price
p r i c ewas
w a s$1$ 11,7
1 , 788 6.
6.
Purchase
Q
Q
A n d tthey
h e y rreceived
e c e i v e d aa w
a r r a n t y ddeed
e e d iin...
n...
And
warranty
1888
MS. G
E R B E R : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g t to
o oobject
b j e c t aas
s tto
o tthe
h e leading
leading
MS.
GERBER:
10
n a t u r e of
o f the
t h e questions.
q u e s t i o n s . If
I f he's
h e s going
g o i n g to
t o have
h a v e independent
independent
nature
11
r e c o l l e c t i o n or
o r knowledge
k n o w l e d g e oof
f wwhat
h a t hhe's
e s ddone,
o n e , II tthink
h i n k tthat's
h a t s the
the
recollection
12
b e s t way
w a y tto
o hhandle
a n d l e iit.
t . But
B u t I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o object,
o b j e c t , judge.
judge.
best
13
MR. D
U G A N : I I'll
l l rrephrase
e p h r a s e tthe
h e question.
question.
MR.
DUGAN:
14
THE C
O U R T : TThat's
h a t s ffine.
ine.
THE
COURT:
15
Q
Q
U m , aagain
g a i n hhow
ow m
uch w
a s ppaid
a i d ffor
o r iit?
t?
Um,
much
was
16
T
h e warrant
w a r r a n t deed,
d e e d , um,
u m ,purchase
p u r c h a s eprice
p r i c e$1$ 11,7
1 , 788 6.
6.
The
17
Q
Q
And w
h a t iis
s tthe
h e ccurrent
u r r e n t assessed
a s s e s s e d value
v a l u e of
o f that
t h a t property?
p ro p e rt y?
And
what
18
T
h e ccurrent
u r r e n t assessed
a s s e s s e d value
v a l u e as
a s of
o f today
t o d a y that
t h a t II checked
c h e c k e d on
on
The
19
i t , the
t h e value
v a l u ewas
w a s$1
$ 18,8
8 , 8 80.
80.
it,
20
21
MR. D
U G A N : I Iddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aany
n y ffurther
u r t h e r questions
q u e s t i o n s Your
Your
MR.
DUGAN:
Honor.
Honor.
22
THE C
OURT: M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
23
EXAMINATION
CROSS
24
BY
B Y MS.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER:
25
Q
Q
A n d , um,
u m , Mr.
M r . Williams,
W i l l i a m s , do
d o you
y o u know
k n o w who
w h o made
m a d e every
every
And,
WILLIAMS, B. - X. (GERBER)
1
s i n g l e payment
p a y m e n t on
o n those
t h o s e homes?
homes?
single
II ddon't
o n t know.
know.
Q
Q
Y o u hhave
a v e nno
o iidea?
dea?
You
N o iidea.
dea.
No
Q
Q
O k a y . And
A n d yyou
o u ddon't
o n t know
k n o w how
h o w that
t h a t money
m o n e y came
c a m e to
t o be
b e or
or
Okay.
who m
a d e tthe
h e ppayments?
a ym e n t s?
who
made
D o nnot.
ot.
Do
Q
Q
O k a y. D
i d yyou
o u eever
v e r bbother
o t h e r tto
o ccheck?
heck?
Okay.
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U h , ccheck
h e c k tthe
h e ccontract?
o n t r a c t ? PPersonal
e r s o n a l ccontract?
ontract?
Uh,
10
Q
Q
Check w
ho m
a d e tthe
h e ppayments
a y m e n t s oorr w
h e r e tthe
h e payments
p a ym e n t s
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who
made
where
11
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c a m e ffrom.
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12
13
II w
o u l d n t have
h a v e aaccess
c c e s s tto
o tthat.
hat.
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14
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Q
S
om
y qquestion
u e s t i o n iis,
s , did
d i d you
y o u eever
v e r bbother
o t h e r to
t o ask
a s k anybody?
a nyb o dy?
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my
15
Nope.
Nope.
16
Q
Q
O k a y. S
o yyou
o u jjust
u s t ccame
a m e uup
p hhere
ere w
i t h aa ddocument
o c u m e n t from
f r o m the
the
Okay.
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with
17
a s s e s s o r s office
o f f i c e telling
t e l l i n gus
u show
h o w much
m u c h aa pparticular
a r t i c u l a r piece
p i e c e of
of
assessor's
18
p r o p e r t y is
i s worth?
worth?
property
19
T
h a t s correct.
correct.
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20
Q
Q
O k a y. A
n d aare
r e tthose
h o s e ccurrent
u r r e n t vvalues?
alues?
Okay.
And
21
Y e s , tthey
h e y aare.
re.
Yes,
22
Q
Q
O k a y. D
o yyou
ou m
i n d iif
f II ttake
a k e aa llook
o o k aatt tthose?
h o s e ? So
S o oon
n tthat
hat
Okay.
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mind
23
W i n t h r o p pproperty.
ro p e rty.
Winthrop
24
Which
W h i c h oone?
ne?
25
Q
Q
Winthrop. D
o e s n t that
t h a t show
s h o w tthat
h a t tthere's
h e r e s aa trust
t r u s t in
in
Winthrop.
Doesn't
U m , tthe
h e ppersonal
e r s o n a l ccontracts
o n t r a c t s would
w o u l d bbe
e aa ppersonal
e r s o n a l ccontract;
ontract;
Um,
1889
1890
a n o t h e r family's
f a m i l y s name
n a m e somewhere
s o m e w h e r e on
o n that
t h a t document?
document?
another
th
1 5 th
Street
the
t h e mailing
m a i l i n gaddress
a d d r e s sisi 1
s 1
1 166 11 S.
S . Winthrop
W i n t h r o p Way.
Wa y.
15
Street
Q
Q
W a y hhome...
ome...
Way
U h , yyes
e s iitt does.
does.
Uh,
Q
Q
. . . o n one
o n e of
o f those
t h o s e documents...
documents...
...on
A s aan
n aaddress,
d d r e s s , as
a s a mailing
m a i l i n g address
a d d r e s s of
o f the
t h e owner.
owner.
As
Q
Q
O k a y , aand
n d tthat's
h a t s in
in a
a trust
t r u s t in
i n aa different
d i f f e r e n t family's
f a m i l y s name?
name?
Okay,
10
II'm
m sorry,
s o r r y , what
w h a t was
w a s that?
that?
11
Q
Q
I s n t there
t h e r e aa trust
t r u s t in
i n aa different
d i f f e r e n t family's
f a m i l y s name?
name?
Isn't
12
th
O n the
t h e 520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15
1 5 th
i t shows
s h o w s the
t h e owner,
o w n e r , because
b e c a u s e tthis
h i s is
i s the
the
On
it
13
contract,
c o n t r a c t , with
w i t h the
t h e Loretta
L o r e t t aFamily
F a m i l yTrust
T r u s t(INAUDIBLE)
( I N A U D I B L E ) McMann.
McMann.
14
Q
Q
N o t Bill
B i l l Esbensen
E s b e n s e n Family
F a m i l y Trust?
Trust?
Not
15
IItt shows
s h o w s hhim
i m aas
s hholder
o l d e r oof
f tthe
h e contract.
contract.
16
Q
Q
O k a y . SSo
o hhe's
e s renting
r e n t i n g aa house;
h o u s e ; you
y o u don't
d o n t even
e v e n know
know
Okay.
17
w h a t s going
g o i n g on
o n with
w i t h that
t h a t house,
h o u s e , do
d o you?
yo u ?
what's
18
Y e a h , iit's
t s aa purchase
p u r c h a s e contract.
contract.
Yeah,
19
Q
Q
Oka y. B
u t hhe
e ddoesn't
o e s n t own
o w n it?
it?
Okay.
But
20
U h , hhe's
e s purchasing
p u r c h a s i n g iit;
t ; iit's
t s aa contract.
contract.
Uh,
21
Q
Q
Oka y. H
e ddoesn't
o e s n t oown
w n iitt ccurrently...
u rre nt l y. . .
Okay.
He
22
IIt's
t s aa land
l a n d contract.
contract.
23
Q
Q
. . . d o e s he?
he?
...does
24
A s llong
o n g aas
s he
h e makes
m a k e s payments
p a y m e n t s hhe
e owns
o w n s iit.
t.
As
25
Q
Q
O k a y , ddo
o yyou
o u kknow
n o w iif
f hhe's
e s making
m a k i n g the
t h e payments?
p a ym e n t s?
Okay,
T
h e s e documents
d o c u m e n t s are
a r e reflecting
r e f l e c t i n gthe
t h e1369
1 3 6 9and
a n dthe
t h e520
5 2 0 N.
N.
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T
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a s n t my
m y qquestion.
uestion. D
o e s n t it
i t reflect
r e f l e c t the
t h e Winthrop
Winthrop
That
wasn't
Doesn't
1
D o n t have
have a
a cclue.
lue.
Don't
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u kknow
now w
h e n tthe
h e llast
a s t time
t i m e he
h e made
m a d e a ppayment
a y m e n t was?
was?
Do
when
II'm
m sorry,
s o r r y , what
w h a t was
w a s tthat?
hat?
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u kknow
now w
h e n tthe
h e llast
a s t ttime
i m e he
h e made
m a d e aa ppayment.
a ym e n t .
Do
when
N o , I ddo
o nnot.
ot.
No,
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay.
k a y . TThanks,
h a n k s , IIhhave
a v e nno
o f further
uestions.
MR.
MR. D
DUGAN:
U G A N : NNothing
o t h i n g ffurther.
urther.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou.
o u . AAnything
n y t h i n g e else?
l s e ? YYou're
o u r e ddone...
one...
THE
MR. D
U G A N : II'm
m ddone.
one.
MR.
DUGAN:
10
THE C
O U R T : . ...with
..with M
r. W
illiams.
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Williams.
11
MR. D
U G A N : I Iddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aanything
n y t h i n g eelse
l s e Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
MR.
DUGAN:
12
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , uum,
m , I Inneed
e e d t to
o t take
a k e aabbrief
r i e f rrecess
e c e s s for
for
THE
COURT:
13
j u s t aa moment.
moment.
just
14
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
15
THE C
O U R T : YYou
o u gguys
u y s ccan
a n s stay
t a y hhere;
e r e ; II wwon't
o n t bbe
e llong,
ong, I
THE
COURT:
16
j u s t need
n e e d to
t o double
d o u b l e check
c h e c k on
o n one
o n e tthing.
hing.
just
17
(RECESS)
(RECESS)
18
THE C
OURT: M
r . DDugan,
u g a n , aanything
n y t h i n g yyou
o u wwant
a n t tto
o aadd...
dd...
THE
COURT:
Mr.
19
MR. D
UGAN: W
ell, Y
our H
o n o r , II ddo...
o...
MR.
DUGAN:
Well,
Your
Honor,
20
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....with
. w i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o tthe
h e ssentencing?
entencing?
THE
21
22
ARGUMENT F
OR T
HE P
B Y MICHAEL
M I C H A E L DUGAN
DUGAN
ARGUMENT
FOR
THE
PETITIONER
MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
m , I I'll
l l rremain
e m a i n sseated.
e a t e d . Thank
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y o u . Um,
Um,
MR.
DUGAN:
23
ffirst
i r s t of
o f all
a l l II wanted
w a n t e d to
t o iindicate
n d i c a t e that
t h a t the
t h e case
c a s e that
t h a t Ms.
M s . Gerber
G e r b e r ccited
ited
24
t h a t she
s h e say
s a y was
w a s oon
n ppoint,
o i n t , State
S t a t e v.
v . Paetehr,
P a e t e h r , P-A-E-T-E-H-R,
P - A - E - T - E - H - R , 157
157
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25
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ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1891
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
p o i n t , Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . That
That
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manufacture
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t h a t show
h o w iti t was
w a s charged:
c h a r g e d : as
a s aa
controlled
m a n u f a c t u r e ooff aa ccontrolled
o n t r o l l e d ssubstance.
ubstance.
manufacture
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h e y aalleged
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n tthe
h e iindictment
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r tthe
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T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : J Just
u s t sstop
t o p ffor
o r aassecond,
e c o n d , jjust
u s t sstop.
t o p . Paetehr?
Paetehr?
THE
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: Y
es.
MR.
Yes.
THE C
O U R T : 169
169 O
R AApp
p p 1157
5 7 wwas
a s r reversed.
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THE
COURT:
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10
MR. D
UGAN: O
k a y. U
m...
MR.
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11
THE C
OURT: W
a i t , jjust
ust w
a i t . State
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v . Williams,
W i l l i a m s , 237
237 O
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THE
COURT:
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wait.
OR
12
A p p 3377
7 7 ooverruled
v e r r u l e d iit,
t , okay?
o k a y?
App
13
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
14
THE C
O U R T : IIn
n ccase
a s e oof,
f , uum,
m , tthe
h e oother
t h e r case
c a s e she
s h e gave
g a v e me
me
THE
COURT:
15
w a s ooverruled.
v e r r u l e d . And
A n d the
t h e case
c a s e you
y o u gave
g a v e me
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of Y
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16
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17
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18
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19
w a s iit.
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20
t h e two
t w o Ms.
M s . Gerber
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a n d the
t h e one
o n e you
y o u gave
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on Y
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the
Young,
21
t h e y r e no
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l a w .So,
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w h a tIIwant
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22
w a n t tto
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s II ddon't
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t o hear
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a n y more
m o r e aarguments
rguments
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23
o n tthe
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o kknow
n o w iis,
s , ffirst
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o f all,
a l l , II want
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t o know
know
on
want
24
how m
u c h tthe
h e ffines
i n e s eeverybody
v e r y b o d y eelse
l s e aassociated
s s o c i a t e d with
w i t h tthis
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much
25
p a i d for
for
II nneed
e e d tthat
h a t sstatute
t a t u t e you
y o u rreferred
e f e r r e d to
t o wanting
w a n t i n g for
f o r some
some
paid
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1892
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
r e i m b u r s e m e n t for
f o r the
t h e prosecution.
p r o s e c u t i o n . II want
w a n t to
t o know
k n o w what
w h a t tthat
hat
reimbursement
s t a t u t e is.
is.
statute
MR. D
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k a y . UUm,
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MR.
DUGAN:
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6 . 72
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(5)(b)
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1 1666.7
a n d iitt pprovides
r o v i d e s tthat
h a t the
t h e court,
c o u r t , in
i n lieu
l i e u of
o f a fine
f i n e otherwise
otherwise
and
a u t h o r i z e d by
b y law,
l a w , may
m a y ssentence
e n t e n c e tthe
h e ddefendant
e f e n d a n t to
t o pay
p a y aa ffine
i n e tthat
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authorized
d o e s nnot
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h r e e ttimes
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h e ggross
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p l u s court
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does
10
c o s t s , and
a n d tthe
h e ccost...
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11
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o yyou're
o u r e saying
s a y i n g1166 6.7
6 . 7 2200(5)(b)?
(5)(b)?
THE
COURT:
12
MR. D
U G A N : CCorrect.
orrect.
MR.
DUGAN:
13
THE
COURT:
Okay.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
14
MR. D
U G A N : PPlus
l u s ccourt
o u r t ccosts
o s t s aand
n d tthe
h e ccost
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of
MR.
DUGAN:
15
16
17
18
i n v e s t i g a t i o n and
a n d pprosecution.
rosecution.
investigation
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . OOf
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h e oother
t h e r ppeople
e o p l e tthat
h a t were
were
THE
COURT:
p r o s e c u t e d , how
h o w many
m a n y of
o f tthem
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a i d money
m o n e y ttowards
o w a r d s tthat?
hat?
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MR. D
DUGAN:
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ell Y
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our H
Honor
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tthis
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i s a RICO,
RICO,
19
u m , aa R
I C O ppenalty.
e n a l t y . TThe
h e oother
t h e r ppeople
e o p l e tthat
h a t hhave
a v e bbeen
e e n pprosecuted
rosecuted
um,
RICO
20
a n d pplead
l e a d guilty
g u i l t y did
d i d not
n o t plead
p l e a d guilty
g u i l t y to
t o aa RICO
R I C O ccharge;
h a r g e ; so
s o tthere
here
and
21
w a s iinability
n a b i l i t y tto
o oorder
r d e r aa rrestitution...
estitution...
was
22
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . SSo,
o , aagain...
gain...
THE
COURT:
23
MR. D
U G A N : . ....for
. f o r tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n ccharges.
harges.
MR.
DUGAN:
24
THE
COURT:
Okay.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
25
MR. D
U G A N : BBut...
ut...
MR.
DUGAN:
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1893
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
2
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : TThat's
h a t s ffine.
i n e . My
M y qquestion
u e s t i o n is:
i s : so
s o no
n o one
o n e eelse
lse
THE
p a i d anything
a n y t h i n g towards
t o w a r d s the
t h e RICO?
RICO?
paid
MR. D
UGAN: N
o t ffor
o r tthe
h e RICO.
R I C O . Now
Now A
n n SSwallow
w a l l o w and
and
MR.
DUGAN:
Not
Ann
D a v e SSwallow
wallow w
e r e oordered
r d e r e d tto
o ppay,
a y , ppursuant
u r s u a n t tto
o aa nnegotiation,
egotiation,
Dave
were
s o m e $$15,000
1 5 , 0 0 0 rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n in
i n lieu
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the
iin
n llieu
i e u of
o f being
being
some
o f the
t h e RICO
R I C O ccharges.
h a r g e s . They
T h e y agreed
a g r e e d to
t o pay
p a y $15,000
$ 1 5 , 0 0 0 to
to
convicted
a s aa ccompensatory
o m p e n s a t o r y ffine
i n e ffor
o r tthe
h e ccost
o s t oof
f pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n tto
o tthe
he D
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as
District
At t o rn e y.
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THE C
O U R T : I Is
s t that
h a t $$15,000
1 5 , 0 0 0 eeach
a c h oor
r $$15,000
1 5 , 0 0 0 ccombined?
ombined?
THE
COURT:
10
MR. D
U G A N : TThat
h a t wwas
a s $$15,000
1 5 , 0 0 0 ttotal.
otal.
MR.
DUGAN:
11
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . SSo
o yyou
o u h had
a d i nindicated
d i c a t e d eearlier
a r l i e r $$39,000
39,000
THE
COURT:
12
o r tthereabouts?
hereabouts?
or
13
MR. D
U G A N : UUh,
h , I Ihhave
a v e ccalculated
a l c u l a t e d tthat
h a t my
m y eexpenses
x p e n s e s or
or
MR.
DUGAN:
14
m y ccosts
o s t s oof
f ddoing
o i n g tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n since
s i n c e II was
w a s aassigned
s s i g n e d the
t h e case
c a s e in
in
my
15
JJuly
u l y ooff 22012
0 1 2 tthrough
h r o u g h llast
a s t month,
m o n t h , was
w a s rroughly
o u g h l y $$39,500.
39,500.
16
17
18
19
20
21
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
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THE
COURT:
t hthat
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h e $$15,000,
1 5 , 0 0 0 , iis
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h a t ccorrect?
orrect?
account
MR. D
U G A N : DDoes
o e s nnot,
o t , aand
n d t that
h a t hhas
a s nnot
o t bbeen
e e n rreceived.
eceived.
MR.
DUGAN:
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hats
w
e r e waiting
w a i t i n g ppayment
a y m e n t oon
n t that,
h a t , tthat's
h a t s ordered.
ordered.
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we're
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . SSo,
o , bbut
u t i it
t wwasn't
a s n t reduced
r e d u c e d by
b y the
the
THE
COURT:
a m o u n t tthat
h a t the
t h e Swallows
S w a l l o w s agreed
a g r e e d to
t o pay?
pa y?
amount
22
M R . DUGAN:
D U G A N : No.
No.
MR.
23
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
24
MR. D
U G A N : I Immean
e a n a and
n d I Iddon't
o n t ddisagree,
i s a g r e e , Your
Y o u r Honor,
Honor,
MR.
DUGAN:
25
t h a t this
this
you
y o u kknow
n o w tthe
h e $$39,000
3 9 , 0 0 0 sshould
h o u l d bbe
e aa jjoint
o i n t aand
n d sseveral
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that
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1894
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
a m o u n t , but
b u t it
i t should
s h o u l d be
b e joint
j o i n t and
a n d several
s e v e r a l as
a s the
t h e court
c o u r t knows
k n o w s what
what
amount,
t h a t means.
m e a n s . If
I f you
y o u oorder
r d e r defendant
defendant A
A to
t o pay
p a y $$40,000
4 0 , 0 0 0 jjoint
o i n t and
and
that
s e v e r a l with
w i t h defendant
d e f e n d a n t B,
B , C,
C , and
a n d D;
D ; if
i f B,
B, C
C aand
nd D
a n t pay
p a y iitt but
but
several
D ccan't
defendant A
A ddoes,
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n d DDgget
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r e d i t ffor
o r i it,
t , uum,
m , bbut
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h e y r e aall
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defendant
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C aand
o n tthe
h e hhook
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t . Um...
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THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . SSo
o wwhat
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r e yyou
o u sseeking
e e k i n g ffor
o r ttoday?
o d a y?
THE
COURT:
MR.
MR. D
DUGAN:
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Well...
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THE C
OURT: W
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THE
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MR. D
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ell, Y
our H
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MR.
DUGAN:
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10
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11
t o bbe
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o tthe
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g r i d , but
b u t II think
t h i n k in
in
to
with
12
t h i s particular
p a r t i c u l a r case
c a s e you
y o u can,
c a n , under
u n d e r the
t h e RICO
R I C O sstatutes,
t a t u t e s , order
order
this
13
r e s t i t u t i o n for
f o r the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f price
p r i c e prosecution.
p r o s e c u t i o n . As
A s II pointed
p o i n t e d out
o u t in
in
restitution
14
my m
e m o t that's
h a t s $$39,000
3 9 , 0 0 0 tthat
h a t can
c a n be
b e jjoint
o i n t and
a n d several
s e v e r a l with
w i t h any
a n y of
of
my
memo
15
t h e other
o t h e r defendants,
d e f e n d a n t s , against
a g a i n s t Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
Esbensen.
the
16
Mr. E
s b e n s e n hhas
a s tthe
h e aability
b i l i t y to
t o pay
p a y tthat.
h a t . The
T h e Valley
Valley
Mr.
Esbensen
17
C o u n t y pproperty
r o p e r t y that
t h a t he
h e paid
p a i d $1
$ 1 11,579
, 5 7 9 for
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i s now
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at
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$18,800.
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height
19
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l when
w h e n they
t h e y were
w e r e acquiring
a c q u i r i n g and
a n d selling
selling
of
20
marijuana.
marijuana.
21
1895
th
T h e 1569
1 5 6 9 S.W.
S . W . 30
3 0 th
a d d r e s s has
h a s aa market
m a r k e t value
v a l u e of
of
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address
22
$79,200. U
m, M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n t etestified
s t i f i e d aat
t ttrial
r i a l tthat
h a t the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
Parallel
$79,200.
Um,
Mr.
23
i s paying
p a y i n g for
f o r that.
t h a t . And
A n d the
t h e 520
5 2 0 N.
N . 15th
1 5 t h Avenue
A v e n u e ((sic)
s i c ) in
i n Vale
V a l e has
h a s aa
is
24
m a r k e t vvalue
a l u e oof
f $$54,200.
54,200. M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n t etestified
s t i f i e d aat
t ttrial
r i a l tthat
h a t hhe's
es
market
Mr.
25
t o make
m a k e tthose
h o s e payments;
p a y m e n t s ; tthat
h a t he
h e bought
b o u g h t that
t h a t in
i n his
h i s own
own
continued
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
name. M
r s . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n cconfirmed
o n f i r m e d tthat,
h a t , tthat
h a t they
t h e y llived
i v e d tthere;
h e r e ; but
but
name.
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t h e y aalso
l s o bbought
o u g h t iitt ffor
o r the
t h e purpose
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rowing m
a r i j u a n a tthere.
here.
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marijuana
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e tthink
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a v e aa jjudgment
u d g m e n t iin
n tthat
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we
we
Mr. E
sbensen.
Mr.
Esbensen.
I n aaddition
d d i t i o n to
t o that,
t h a t , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , the
t h e RICO
R I C O sstatutes
t a t u t e s allow
allow
In
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o oorder
r d e r tthe,
h e , um,
u m , ddissolution
i s s o l u t i o n of
o f any
a n y oof
f tthe
h e eenterprises
nterprises
the
t h a t may
m a y hhave
a v e bbeen
e e n iinvolved
n v o l v e d iin
n the
t h e RICO;
R I C O ; aand
nd w
e d aask
s k tthe
h e court
court
that
we'd
t o oorder
r d e r tthe
h e ddissolution
i s s o l u t i o n of
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel,
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s b e n s e n iis
s ccurrently
u r r e n t l y ooperating.
perating.
Compassion
Group,
which
Mr.
10
11
12
13
Mr. E
s b e n s e n hhas
a s bbeen
e e n oon
n FFacebook
a c e b o o k aand,
n d , uum...
m...
Mr.
Esbensen
MS. G
E R B E R : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o oobject
b j e c t tto
o aanything
n yt hin g w
e hhaven't
avent
MS.
GERBER:
we
s e e n Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
seen
MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
m , i in
n aany
n y eevent
vent M
r . EEsbensen
s b e n s e n hhas
a s been
been
MR.
DUGAN:
Mr.
14
a d v e r t i s i n g himself
h i m s e l f as
a s aa part
p a r t owner
o w n e r of
of a
a cclinic
l i n i c in
i n Clackamas
Clackamas
advertising
15
C o u n t y ccalled
a l l e d the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel.
P a r a l l e l . Um,
U m , and
a n d we
w e believe,
b e l i e v e , Your
Y o u r Honor,
Honor,
County
16
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t should
s h o u l d oorder
r d e r tthat,
h a t , um,
u m , ddissolved.
issolved.
that
17
I n aaddition
d d i t i o n to
t o that,
t h a t , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , II would
w o u l d ask
a s k tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t to
to
In
18
o r d e r that
t h a t Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n have
h a v e no
n o ppossession
o s s e s s i o n of
o f any
any m
edical
order
medical
19
m a r i j u a n a card,
c a r d , either
e i t h e r as
a s aa grower,
g r o w e r , a caregiver
c a r e g i v e r or
o r as
a s aa ppatient
atient
marijuana
20
u n t i l he
h e has
h a s ccompleted
o m p l e t e d aall
l l of
o f the
t h e sentences
s e n t e n c e s imposed.
imposed.
until
21
W i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o M
r. K
angas, Y
our H
o n o r , II'd
d aask
s k tthat
h a t the
the
With
Mr.
Kangas,
Your
Honor,
22
c o u r t impose
i m p o s e aa fine
f i n e
Mr.
M r . Kangas,
K a n g a s , II think,
t h i n k ,received
r e c e i v e d$1$ 15,5
5 , 500 0 or
or
court
23
t h e r e a b o u t s from
f r o m the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel.
P a r a l l e l . We'd
W e d ask
a s k the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o impose
i m p o s e aa
thereabouts
24
ffine
i n e that
t h a t would
w o u l d bbe
e ppayable
a y a b l e aas
s rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n tto
o tthe
he D
Attorney
District
25
ffor
o r the
t h e cost
c o s t imposed
i m p o s e d iin
n pprosecution.
r o s e c u t i o n . Um,
U m , we'd
w e d ask
a s k that
t h a t aa judgment
judgment
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1896
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
b e jjoint
o i n t and
a n d several
s e v e r a l with
w i t h Mr.
M r . Esbensen.
Esbensen.
be
W e d also
a l s o ask
a s k the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o find
f i n d that
t h a t this
t h i s is
i s aa category
category 6
6
We'd
a n d pplace
l a c e Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s oon
n pprobation,
r o b a t i o n , wherein
w h e r e i n he
h e would
w o u l d not
n o t be
be
and
a l l o w e d to
t o have
h a v e aa m
edical m
a r i j u a n a card,
c a r d , not
n o t be
b e allowed
a l l o w e d to
t o have
have
allowed
medical
marijuana
a m
edical m
a r i j u a n a grow
g r o w ccard,
a r d , oorr aa m
edical m
a r i j u a n a ccaregiver
aregiver
a
medical
marijuana
medical
marijuana
card.
card.
Your H
o n o r , tthere
h e r e are
a r e some
s o m e ppeople
e o p l e whose
w h o s e iinvolvement
n v o l v e m e n t in
in
Your
Honor,
t h i s medical
m a r i j u a n a dispensary
d i s p e n s a r y and
a n d tthe
h e iillegal
l l e g a l sale
s a l e of
of
this
marijuana;
m a r i j u a n a ; they're
t h e y r e involvement,
i n v o l v e m e n t , their
t h e i r criminal
c r i m i n a l involvement,
i n v o l v e m e n t , was
was
10
g r e a t e r than
t h a n others.
o t h e r s . In
I n this
t h i s particular
p a r t i c u l a rcase
c a s eMr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n was
w a s the
the
greater
11
b o s s . He
He w
a s tthe
h e oone
n e tthat
h a t ccalled
a l l e d the
t h e shots.
s h o t s . He
H e was
w a s the
t h e one
o n e tthat
hat
boss.
was
12
m a d e tthe
h e ddecisions.
e c i s i o n s . He
H e was
w a s tthe
h e oone
n e tthat
h a t set
s e t the
t h e prices.
p r i c e s . He
H e was
w a s the
the
made
13
o n e tthat
h a t was
w a s iin
n ccontrol
o n t r o l of
o f this.
t h i s . He
H e was
w a s tthe
h e oone
n e tthat
h a t siphoned
s i p h o n e d the
the
one
14
m o n e y ooff
f f the
t h e deposits.
d e p o s i t s .Uh,
U h ,he
h ewas
w a sthe
t h eone
o n ethat
t h a had
t h a dthe
t h e$5$ 50,0
0 , 000 0 in
in
money
15
h i s house.
h o u s e . Um,
U m , nnone
o n e oof
f tthe
h e oother
t h e r pplayers
l a y e r s tthat
h a t have
h a v e ggone
o n e tto
o ttrial
r i a l in
in
his
16
t h e RICO
R I C O ccases
ases w
e r e aanything
n y t h i n g oother
t h e r than,
t h a n , II think
t h i n k you
y o u can
c a n say,
sa y,
the
were
17
g o o d eemployees.
m p l o y e e s . And
A n d Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s was
w a s aan
n eemployee.
m p l o y e e . He
H e got
got
good
18
i n v o l v e d because
b e c a u s e he
h e knew
knew M
r. E
s b e n s e n , and
and M
r. E
s b e n s e n ttalked
alked
involved
Mr.
Esbensen,
Mr.
Esbensen
19
h i m iinto
n t o iit.
t . And
A n d II tthink
h i n k tthat
h a t tthat's
h a t s deserving
d e s e r v i n g of
o f some
some
him
20
consideration.
c o n s i d e r a t i o n . Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n has
h a s aa pprior
r i o r ccriminal
r i m i n a l history;
h i s t o r y ; Mr.
Mr.
21
K a n g a s ddoes
o e s nnot.
o t . We
W e tthink
h i n k hhe,
e, M
r. K
a n g a s , iiss m
o s t ddeserving
e s e r v i n g of
of
Kangas
Mr.
Kangas,
most
22
t h e probationary
p r o b a t i o n a r y award
a w a r d that
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t can
c a n give
g i v e under
u n d e r a category
c a t e g o r y 6,
6,
the
23
which w
o u l d bbe,
e , II tthink,
h i n k , tthree
h r e e yyears
e a r s pprobation.
robation. U
h , II ddon't
o n t think
think
which
would
Uh,
24
Mr. K
a n g a s iis
s ggoing
o i n g tto
o bbe
e vviolating
i o l a t i n g tthe
h e llaw
a w aany
n y ffurther.
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Mr.
Kangas
25
Mr. E
sbensen w
a s tthe
h e kkingpin
i n g p i n oof
f tthis
his m
a r i j u a n a ddelivery
elivery
Mr.
Esbensen
was
marijuana
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1897
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
s y s t e m . And
A n d II tthink
h i n k tthat's
h a t s what
w h a t we
we w
ant, Y
our H
o n o r , tthat's
h a t s what
what
system.
want,
Your
Honor,
II'm
m asking
a s k i n g ffor.
or.
THE C
OURT: M
s . GGerber.
erber. A
n d bbefore
efore
bbefore
e f o r e we
w e go
go
THE
COURT:
Ms.
And
t h e r e , so
s o we
w e ddon't
o n t waste
w a s t e aa llot
o t oof
f ttime,
i m e , iit's
t s not
n o t an
a n 88.. IIt's
t s not
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a n 8.
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there,
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y cclerk
l e r k aand
n d sshe
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a v e mme
e i ninformation
f o r m a t i o n aand
n d iit's
ts a
II aasked
my
4 aand
n d tthat's
h a t s what
w h a t we're
w e r e going
g o i n g to
t o proceed
p r o c e e d from
f r o m is
i s as
a s aa 4.
4 . Um,
U m , and
and
4
t h e rreason
e a s o n tthat
h a t II ffind
i n d tthat
h a t iit's
t s aa 44
llet
et m
e . . . u m , iitt w
a s n t plead,
plead,
the
me...um,
wasn't
t h e factors,
f a c t o r s , to
t o make
m a k e it
i t an
a n 8.
8 . And,
A n d , um,
u m , sso
o tthe
h e ggridblock
r i d b l o c k shows
s h o w s tthat
hat
the
i t should
s h o u l d be
b e aa 44.. A
s II've
v e llooked
o o k e d aat
t tthis,
h i s , aas
s II've
v e looked
l o o k e d at
a t the
t h e ccase,
ase,
it
As
10
II bbelieve
e l i e v e that
that a 4
4 iis
s tthe
h e aappropriate
p p r o p r i a t e gridblock.
g r i d b l o c k . So,
S o , Ms.
M s . Gerber.
Gerber.
11
MR. D
UGAN: W
e l l , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , hhe
e aalso
l s o hhas
a s 88 oother
ther
MR.
DUGAN:
Well,
12
ffelony
e l o n y cconvictions
o n v i c t i o n s along
a l o n g with
w i t h the
t h e three
t h r e e RICOs
R I C O s aand...
nd...
13
MS.
GERBER:
Hold
minute.
MS. G
ERBER: H
o l d oon
n aa m
inute.
14
THE C
O U R T : I I
I I'll
l l ddo
o t hthe
e s sentencing
e n t e n c i n g iin
n aa bbit.
i t . II'm
m
THE
COURT:
I I
15
explaining
what
e x p l a i n i n g the
t h e grid.
g r i d . And
A n d then
t h e n II pretty
p r e t t y much
m u c h know
know w
h a t II'm
m going
going
16
t o go
g o ffrom
r o m ddoing
o i n g ffrom
r o m hhere,
e r e , but
b u t I nneed
e e d tto
o find
f i n d out
o u t from
f r o m everyone
e ve ryo n e
to
17
a s ffar
a r aass tthe
h e ggrids.
r i d s . And
A n d II've
v e looked
l o o k e d aatt tthe
h e ccases
a s e s aand
n d II've
v e had
had
as
18
r e s e a r c h done
d o n e on
o n the
t h e cases
c a s e s and
a n d looked
l o o k e d at
a t this,
t h i s , and
a n d so,
s o , um,
u m , Ms.
Ms.
research
19
G e r b e r , I need
n e e d to
t o know
k n o w aanything
n y t h i n g else
e l s e from
f r o m you.
you.
Gerber,
20
MS. G
E R B E R : II jjust
ust w
a n t e d tto
o tthank
h a n k Your
Y o u r Honor
H o n o r for
for
MS.
GERBER:
wanted
21
t a k i n g tthe
h e ttime...I
i m e . . . I didn't
d i d n tknow
k n o w if
i f you
y o u still
s t i l l wanted
w a n t e d the
t h e information
information
taking
22
t h a t you
y o u asked
a s k e d Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n aabout.
b o u t . II hhave
a v e aall
l l ooff iitt regarding
r e g a r d i n g what
what
that
Dugan
23
e a c h pperson
e r s o n ppaid
a i d iin
n ffines.
i n e s . II ddidn't
i d n t know
k n o w iiff you
y o u sstill
t i l l wanted
w a n t e d tthat;
hat; I
each
24
d o hhave
a v e tthat
h a t aavailable.
vailable.
do
25
THE C
OURT: W
e l l , hhe
e cclarified
l a r i f i e dthat
t h a tofo fthe
t h e$3$ 39,0
9 , 000 0 ffor
or
THE
COURT:
Well,
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1898
ARGUMENT PETITIONER
1
t h e payment
p a y m e n t oof
f tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n no
n o oone
n e eelse
l s e hhad
a d ppaid
a i d iitt eexcept
x c e p t for
for
the
t h e agreement
a g r e e m e n t with
w i t h the
t h e Swallows.
Swallows.
the
MS. G
E R B E R : TThat's
h a t s nnot
o t ttrue.
rue.
MS.
GERBER:
THE C
OURT: A
n d sso...
o...
THE
COURT:
And
MS. G
E R B E R : TThat's
h a t s nnot
o t ttrue,
rue, Y
our H
o n o r . II'm
m llooking
ooking
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
6
7
a t the
t h e pplea
l e a ppetitions
e t i t i o n s and
a n d II ccan
a n ttell
e l l yyou
o u ffor
o r aa ffact
a c t tthat's
h a t s not
n o t ttrue.
rue.
at
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , t hthe
e pplea
l e a ppetitions
e t i t i o n s pprovide
r o v i d e and
and
MR.
DUGAN:
t h e oother
t h e r ddefendants
e f e n d a n t s ppaid
a i d ccompensatory
o m p e n s a t o r y ffines
i n e s tto
o tthe
h e ssheriff's
heriffs
the
o f f i c e for
f o r the
t h e ccost
o s t ooff iinvestigation,
n v e s t i g a t i o n , not
n o t the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f pprosecution.
rosecution.
office
10
T
h e r e aare
r e ttwo
w o ddifferent
i f f e r e n t tthings
h i n g s tthere.
here. A
n d tthe
h e ssheriff's
h e r i f f s office
o f f i c e has
has
There
And
11
r e c e i v e d some,
s o m e , what,
w h a t ,about
a b o u t$6
$ 60-$7
0 - $ 7 0,0
0 , 0 0000i ninccompensatory
o m p e n s a t o r y ffines
i n e s and
and
received
12
i n fforfeited
o r f e i t e d money.
m o n e y . Uh,
U h , but
b u t the
t h e prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o n under
u n d e r RICO
R I C O iiss also
also
in
13
e n t i t l e d to
t o receive
r e c e i v e aa cost
c o s t of
o f prosecution;
p r o s e c u t i o n ; and
a n d no
n o other
o t h e r defendant
defendant
entitled
14
h a s been
b e e n convicted
c o n v i c t e d under
u n d e r RICO
R I C O and
a n d none
n o n e of
o f them
t h e m have
h a v e paid
p a i d any
any
has
15
r e s t i t u t i o n to
t o the
t h e sstate
tate D
istrict A
t t o r n e y s ooffice.
ffice.
restitution
District
Attorney's
16
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y. M
s . GGerber,
e r b e r , yyou
ou w
e r e ssaying?
a y i n g ? II
I
THE
COURT:
Ms.
were
17
d o n t need
n e e d aa whole
w h o l e bbunch
unch m
o r e ffrom
r o m tthat.
h a t . II'll
l l tell
t e l l you
y o u right
r i g h t now
now
don't
more
18
h e s not
n o t paying
p a y i n gall
a l l$3
$ 39,0
9 , 0 0 00aalone.
l o n e . SSo,
o, w
h a t eelse
l s e do
d o you
yo u w
ant?
he's
what
want?
19
MR. D
U G A N : I It hthink
i n k I I've...
ve...
MR.
DUGAN:
20
THE C
OURT: N
o, M
s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
No,
Ms.
Gerber.
21
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
h.
MR.
Oh.
22
ARGUMENT
FOR
THE
DEFENSE
ARGUMENT F
OR T
HE D
E F E N S E BY
B Y SUSAN
S U S A N GERBER
GERBER
23
MS. G
E R B E R : NNothing,
o t h i n g , jjudge,
u d g e , uunless
n l e s s yyou
o u hhave
a v e aanything
n yt h i n g
MS.
GERBER:
24
s p e c i f i c II would
w o u l d jjust
u s t ask
a s k that
t h a t you
y o u ssentence
entence m
y cclient
l i e n t tto
o pprobation,
robation,
specific
my
25
u m , aall
l l of
o f tthe
h e other
o t h e r counts
c o u n t s II believe
b e l i e v e they
t h e y were
w e r e seeking
s e e k i n g simply
s i m p l y aa
um,
1899

1
c o n v i c t i o n on
o n the
t h e racketeering.
r a c k e t e e r i n g . And
A n d the
t h e predicates
p r e d i c a t e s II would
w o u l d argue
argue
conviction
would m
e r g e bbecause
e c a u s e tthey
h e y ddon't
o n t have
have a
a vvictim
i c t i m and
a n d tthe
h e sstate
t a t e is
i s not
not
would
merge
a vvictim
i c t i m under
u n d e r the
t h e law
l a w and
a n d II w
o u l d aask
s k tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t to
to m
e r g e aall
l l of
of
a
would
merge
t h o s e underlying
u n d e r l y i n g predicates
p r e d i c a t e s with
w i t h each
e a c h other
o t h e r and
a n d simply
s i m p l y place
p l a c e my
my
those
c l i e n t on
o n probation
p r o b a t i o n pursuant
p u r s u a n t to
t o the
t h e findings
f i n d i n g s that
t h a t you
y o u just
j u s t made
made
client
Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
THE
THE C
COURT:
OURT: M
Mr.
r. K
Kiyuna.
iyu n a .
A R G U M E N T FOR
F O R THE
T H E DEFENSE
D E F E N S E BY
B Y GARY
G A R Y KIYUNA
KIYUNA
ARGUMENT
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , t hthank
a n k yyou,
o u , j judge.
u d g e . FFor
o r tthe
h e rrecord,
ecord,
MR.
KIYUNA:
10
j u d g e , I ccertainly
e r t a i n l y agree
a g r e e that
t h a t we're
w e r e talking
t a l k i n g about
a b o u t aa category
c a t e g o r y 44 in
in
judge,
11
t e r m s ooff ccrime
r i m e sseverity.
e ve ri t y.
terms
12
1900
Um, w
i t h rregard
e g a r d to
t o the
t h e amount
a m o u n t of
o f money
m o n e y tthat
h a t my
m y cclient
lient
Um,
with
13
r e c e i v e d . As
A s II iindicated
n d i c a t e d eearlier
a r l i e r and
a n d dduring
u r i n g tthe
h e ttrial,
r i a l , exhibit
exhibit
received.
14
s t a t e sexhibit,
e x h i b i t ,I Ithink
t h i n kiti twas,
w a s ,192.
1 9 2 .The
T h e checks
c h e c k s written
w r i t t e n on
o n the
t h e 49t
4 9 t hh
state's
15
( s i c ) Parallel
P a r a l l e l Compassion
G r o u p account
a c c o u n t to
t o my
m y client,
c l i e n t , um,
u m , many,
m a n y,
(sic)
16
m a n y, m
a n y oof
f tthose
h o s e ddrafts
r a f t s cclearly
l e a r l y iindicated
t h a t they
t h e y were
w e r e for
for
many,
many
17
r e i m b u r s e m e n t , ffor
o r lloan
o a n rrepayment,
e p a y m e n t , tthat
h a t sort
s o r t of
o f thing.
t h i n g . Um,
U m , it
i t was
was
reimbursement,
18
c l e a r l y established
e s t a b l i s h e d that
t h a t my
m y client
c l i e n t had
h a d contributed
c o n t r i b u t e d $10,000;
$ 1 0 , 0 0 0 ; $5,000
$5,000
clearly
19
20
th
o f which
w h i c h went
w e n t tto
o the
t h e property
p r o p e r t y at
a t 1369
1 3 6 9 S.W.
S . W . 30
3 0 th
i n Ontario.
Ontario.
of
in
U m , sso
o oof
f tthe
h e $15,000
$15,000
c t u a l l y iit's
t s $16,000,
$ 1 6 , 0 0 0 , according
according
Um,
aactually
21
t o what
w h a t the
t h e DA's
D A s figures
f i g u r e s were,
w e r e , um,
u m , $10,000
$ 1 0 , 0 0 0 of
o f that
t h a t were
w e r e for
for
to
22
r e i m b u r s e m e n t . TThey
h e y wwere
e r e nnot
o t pprofit.
r o f i t . TThat's
h a t s clearly
c l e a r l y established.
established.
reimbursement.
23
Um, m
y cclient
l i e n t aalso
l s o rreceived
e c e i v e d aabout
b o u t $$8,200
8 , 2 0 0 iin
n wages,
w a g e s , aactually,
c t u a l l y , for
for
Um,
my
24
c o v e r i n g aapproximately
p p r o x i m a t e l y aa yyear
e a r aand
n d hhalf's
a l f s worth
w o r t h of
o f work.
w o r k . The
T h e club
club
covering
25
d i d not
n o t issue,
i s s u e , um,
u m , W-2
W - 2 fforms.
orms. M
y cclient,
l i e n t , as
a s indicated
i n d i c a t e d during
d u r i n g the
the
did
My

1
c o u r s e of
o f tthe
h e ttrial,
r i a l , had
h a d consulted
c o n s u l t e d with
w i t h his
h i s tax
t a x preparer
p r e p a r e r and
a n d they
they
course
d e c i d e d to
t o go
g o with
with
iitt w
a s aa 11099
0 9 9 f oform,
r m , t there
h e r e aare
r e vvariations
a r i a t i o n s of
of
decided
was
1 009 9 ,9,s osot hthat

a t t hthey
e y c could
o u l d aaccount
c c o u n t ffor
o r the
t h e $8,2
$ 8 , 2 0000t that
hat m
y cclient
lient
1
my
r e c e i v e d basically
b a s i c a l l y for
f o r wages.
w a g e s . He
H e ddid
i d nnot
o t pprofit
r o f i t from
f r o m tthis
his
received
e n t e r p r i s e . The
T h e amount
a m o u n t that
t h a t he
h e got
g o t paid,
p a i d , when
w h e n you
y o u put
p u t his
h i s hours
hours
enterprise.
t o g e t h e r as
a s was
w a s ddiscussed
i s c u s s e d during
d u r i n g the
t h e course
c o u r s e of
o f the
t h e trial,
t r i a l , was
w a s way
way
together
lless
e s s than
t h a n minimum
m i n i m u m wage;
w a g e ; pprobably
r o b a b l y about
a b o u t half
h a l f minimum
m i n i m u m wage.
wage.
8
9
S
o , uum,
m , II w
ould
o u l d aassert
s s e r t tto
o tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t tthat
h a t to
to
So,
would
IIwwould
t o have
h a v e Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s pay
p a y for
f o r monies
m o n i e sup
u p to
t o$1
$ 16,0
6 , 0 0000ffor
o r pprofits
r o f i t s or
or
to
10
g a i n ffrom
r o m tthis
h i s eenterprise,
n t e r p r i s e , I aassert
s s e r t tto
o tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t tthat
h a t tthat
h a t aassertion
ssertion
gain
11
i s misplaced.
m i s p l a c e d . Um,
U m , it
i t clearly
c l e a r l y
the
t h e money
m o n e y tthat
h a t he
h e received
r e c e i v e d was
w a s not
not
is
12
ffrom
r o m tthe
he
r o m t hthe
e eenterprise,
n t e r p r i s e , rracketeering.
acketeering.
ffrom
13
o hhave
a v e tto
o sstate
t a t e aalso
l s o tthat
h a t if
i f the
t h e state
s t a t e is
i s going
going
w
e l l iiff
I ddo
well
14
the D
i s t r i c t Attorney's
A t t o r n e y s office
o f f i c e is
i s going
g o i n g to
t o request
r e q u e s t reimbursement
reimbursement
the
District
15
ffor
o r aattorney
t t o r n e y costs,
c o s t s , the
t h e Oregon
Oregon S
t a t e Bar
B a r iis
s rreally
e a l l y ppretty
r e t t y darn
d a r n cclear
lear
State
16
o n tthis
h i s sort
s o r t of
o f a tthing.
h i n g . Uh,
U h , in
i n any
a n y aattorney
t t o r n e y fee
f e e request
r e q u e s t in
i n any
any
on
17
p r o c e e d i n g where
w h e r e they
t h e y are
a r e almost
a l m o s t always
a l w a y s ccivil,
i v i l , um,
u m , there
t h e r e has
h a s to
t o be
be
proceeding
18
a pproceeding
r o c e e d i n g ffor
o r tthat;
h a t ; the
t h e attorney
a t t o r n e y claiming
c l a i m i n g the
t h e amount
a m o u n t has
h a s to
to
a
19
p r o d u c e a ttime
i m e record
r e c o r d and
a n d such.
such.
produce
20
1901
I'm
I m holding
h o l d i n g in
i n my
m y hand,
h a n d , judge,
j u d g e , an
a n 11 88 ppage
a g e ttime
i m e rrecord
ecord
21
t h a t II personally
p e r s o n a l l y have
h a v e for
f o r the
t h e work
w o r k that
t h a t II have
h a v e done
d o n e for
f o r Mr.
Mr.
that
22
th
A n d tthis
h i s is
i s not,
n o t , by
by
, 2013
2 0 1 3 up
u p to
t o May
M a y 22nd.
2 2 n d . And
Kangas
K a n g a s from
f r o m March
M a r c h 13
1 3 th,
23
a n y sstretch
t r e t c h oof
f the
t h e imagination,
i m a g i n a t i o n , aall
l l the
t h e time
t i m e I have
h a v e put
p u t in
i n there,
t h e r e , but
but
any
24
II'm
m required
r e q u i r e d to
t o do
d o this
t h i s by
b y Public
P u b l i c Defense.
D e f e n s e . I started
s t a r t e d off
o f f being
being
25
r e t a i n e d by
b y Mr.
M r . Kangas.
Kangas. H
e hhad
a d aa ssmall
m a l l aamount
m o u n t oof
f rretainer,
e t a i n e r , um,
u m , II
retained
He

1
w o r k e d on
o n hhis
i s case
c a s e for
f o r aa while,
w h i l e , gave
g a v e him
h i m back
b a c k some
s o m e money
m o n e y so
s o he
he
worked
c o u l d buy
b u y aa ccomputer
o m p u t e r sso
o hhe
e ccould
o u l d llook
o o k aatt tthe
h e ddiscovery,
i s c o v e r y , and
and I
could
a p p l i e d for
for
II hhad
ad m
y cclient
l i e n t aapply
p p l y ffor
o r ccourt-appointed
o u r t - a p p o i n t e d sstatus.
tatus. I
applied
my
w a s aappointed
p p o i n t e d aass aa ddefender
e f e n d e r tto
o ttake
a k e oover
v e r tthe
h e rrepresentation
e p r e s e n t a t i o n of
o f my
my
was
c l i e n t through
t h r o u g h the
t h e remainder
r e m a i n d e r of
o f the
t h e case.
c a s e . And
A n d what
w h a t II have
h a v e here
h e r e is
is
client
s u c h aa rrecord.
ecord.
such
U m , nnow
o w i if
f t the
h e DDistrict
istrict A
t t o r n e y s office
o f f i c e wishes
w i s h e s to
to
Um,
Attorney's
a s s e r t aa claim
c l a i m for
f o r attorney
a t t o r n e yfees
f e e sini nthe
t h eamount
a m o u n of
t o $3
f $ 39,5
9 , 500 0
0 tthey
hey
assert
m u s t ddo
ow
h a t II hhave
a v e ddone
o n e hhere.
e r e . You
You m
u s t hhave
a v e aan
n aaccurate
ccurate
must
what
must
10
a c c o u n t i n g , time
t i m e record,
r e c o r d , of
o f all
a l l time
t i m e spent
s p e n t and
a n d what
w h a t tthe
h e rrates
a t e s were.
were.
accounting,
11
U h , II tthink
h i n k tthat
h a t iiss tthe
h e bbest
e s t eevidence.
v i d e n c e . I think
t h i n k it
i t is
i s required
r e q u i r e d by
b y the
the
Uh,
12
B a r . II tthink
h i n k iitt is
i s required
r e q u i r e d for
f o r any
a n y kkind
i n d ooff cclaim
l a i m ffor
o r aattorney
t t o r n e y ffees.
ees.
Bar.
13
Um...
Um...
14
THE C
O U R T : NNot
o t uunder
n d e r tthis
h i s oone.
n e . It
I t may
m a y be
b e nneed
e e d to
t o be
be
THE
COURT:
15
o u t l i n e d like
l i k ethat,
t h a t but
, b u It would
I w o u l dturn
t u r you
n y o ualla lto
l tORS
o ORS
6 . 722 00(5).
(5).
outlined
1 1666.7
16
W h e n yyou
o u llook
o o k aat
t
tarting w
i t h ((a)
a ) aand
n d rread
e a d tthrough
h r o u g h ((c).
c ) . The
The
When
sstarting
with
17
r e q u e s t in
i n lieu
l i e u of
o f aa fine
f i n e otherwise,
o t h e r w i s e , um,
u m , which
w h i c h would
w o u l d iinclude
n c l u d e court
court
request
18
c o s t s and
a n d ccost
o s t oof
f iinvestigation
n v e s t i g a t i o n and
a n d pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n reasonably
reasonably
costs
19
i n c u r r e d . Under
U n d e r ((c)
c ) iitt states
s t a t e s that
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t shall
s h a l l hold
h o l d aa hearing
h e a r i n g to
to
incurred.
20
t h e amount
a m o u n t of
o f the
t h e fine
f i n e authorized
b y paragraph
p a r a g r a p h bb of
o f the
the
determine
21
s u b s e c t i o n . So,
S o , tthe
h e llegislature
e g i s l a t u r e has
h a s already
a l r e a d y eexplained
x p l a i n e d tthat
h a t iiff II'm
m
subsection.
22
g o i n g tto
o ddo
o tthat
hat w
e r e going
g o i n g to
t o have
h a v e another
a n o t h e r hearing
h e a r i n g so
s o II can
can
going
we're
23
d e t e r m i n e that.
t h a t . And
A n d II would
w o u l d aassume
s s u m e aatt tthat
h a t point,
p o i n t , that
t h a t is
i s when
w h e n um,
um,
determine
24
t h e evidence
e v i d e n c e as
a s to
t o what
w h a t aamount
m o u n t oof
f pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n ccost
o s t incurred
i n c u r r e d would
would
the
25
b e llaid
a i d oout.
u t . So
S o tthe
h e llegislature's
e g i s l a t u r e s already
a l r e a d y set
s e t that
t h a t out.
o u t . You
Y o u can
can
be
1902

1
m a k e yyour
o u r aargument
r g u m e n t tthen
h e n aas
s tto
o w
h e t h e r tthe
h e amount
a m o u n t bbeing
eing
make
whether
r e q u e s t e d iiss aappropriate.
ppropriate.
requested
MR. K
I Y U N A : OOkay.
k a y . UUm,
m , wwell
e l l IIt think
h i n k aat
t tthat
h a t time
time I
MR.
KIYUNA:
w o u l d raise
r a i s e my
m y argument
a r g u m e n tMr.
M r .Dugan
D u g a nbreaks
b r e a k sdown
d o w nabout
a b o u $1
t $ 17,0
7 , 000 0 or
or
would
so w
o r t h ooff D
A ccosts
osts w
i t h rregard
e g a r d tto
o ddefending
e f e n d i n g motions,
m o t i o n s , um,
um,
so
worth
DA
with
s u p p r e s s i o n , demurrers
d e m u r r e r s and
a n d such.
s u c h . Um,
U m , aall
l l tthat
h a t kind
k i n d ooff tthing.
hing.
suppression,
THE
THE C
COURT:
OURT: O
Okay.
k a y.
MR. K
I Y U N A : I Iwwould
o u l d aassert
s s e r t tthat
h a t tthat
h a t ddoes
o e s nnot
o t apply
a p p l y to
to
MR.
KIYUNA:
m y cclient
l i e n t because
b e c a u s e he
h e didn't
d i d n tfile
f i l ethose.
t h o s eSo
. S othat
t h a$1
t $ 17,0
7 , 000 0 pplus
l u s in
in
my
10
e x p e n s e s really
r e a l l y were
w e r e not
n o t put
p u t forth
f o r t hwith
w i t hregard
r e g a r dtot o
oor
r ggenerated
enerated
expenses
11
ffrom
r o m aanything
n y t h i n g tthat
h a t my
m y cclient
l i e n t ddid.
id.
12
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
13
MR. K
I Y U N A : SSo...
o...
MR.
KIYUNA:
14
THE C
OURT: W
e l l , aanything
n y t h i n g eelse
l s e Mr.
M r . Kiyuna?
Ki yu n a ?
THE
COURT:
Well,
15
MR.
KIYUNA:
well
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , I It hthink
i n k t that,
h a t , uum,
m, w
e l l tthe
h e ccourt
ourt
16
c o u r t has
h a s certainly
c e r t a i n l y heard
heard
hheard
eard a
a llot
o t ooff eevidence
v i d e n c e and
a n d ttestimony
estimony
court
17
d u r i n g tthe
h e ccourse
o u r s e oof
f tthese
h e s e pproceedings
r o c e e d i n g s aand
n d IIt think
h i n k i it's
t s ppretty
retty
during
18
c l e a r , um,
u m , that
t h a t the
t h e part
p a r t my
m y client
c l i e n t played
p l a y e d was
was
was
w a s llesser,
e s s e r , you
yo u
clear,
19
m i g h t ssay,
a y , aand
nd w
h a t hhis
i s bbeliefs
e l i e f s were
w e r e tthat
h a t he
h e ddid
i d nnot
o t pprofit.
r o f i t . And,
And,
might
what
20
u m , II w
o u l d eencourage
n c o u r a g e tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t tto
o aaccept
c c e p t the
t h e recommendation
r e c o m m e n d a t i o n of
of
um,
would
21
the D
o f f i c e that
t h a tthere
t h e r ebe
b e aa downward
d o w n w a r d departure
departure
the
District
22
on M
r. K
a n g a s s sentencing.
s e n t e n c i n g .He
H e is
i s aa 41
4 I and
a n d tthat
h a t he
h e be
b e placed
p l a c e d on
on
on
Mr.
Kangas's
23
probation.
probation.
24
25
MR. D
UGAN: M
y r recommendation
e c o m m e n d a t i o n ffor
o r a ddownward
ownward
MR.
DUGAN:
My
d e p a r t u r e , Your
Y o u r Honor,
H o n o r , just
j u s t for
f o r the
t h e record
r e c o r d was
w a s as
a s aa category
c a t e g o r y 88 to
t o aa
departure,
1903
SENTENCE FOR MR. KANGAS

1
2
66..
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I Iuunderstand.
n d e r s t a n d . AAlright,
lright, w
e l l before
b e f o r e II give
give
THE
well
t h e sentence
s e n t e n c e II just
j u s t want
w a n t to
t o remind
r e m i n d everyone
e v e r y o n e tthat
h a t there
t h e r e is
i s not
n o t to
t o be
be
the
a rreaction.
eaction.
a
5
6
B u t bbefore
e f o r e I do
d o sso,
o, M
r. K
a n g a s , iiss tthere
h e r e anything
a n y t h i n g you
yo u
But
Mr.
Kangas,
w a n t tto
o ssay
a y tto
o tthe
h e ccourt?
ourt?
want
MR.
MR. K
KANGAS:
ANGAS: N
No,
o, Y
Your
our H
Honor.
onor.
THE C
OURT: M
r . EEsbensen?
sbensen?
THE
COURT:
Mr.
MR. E
S B E N S E N : No.
No.
MR.
ESBENSEN:
10
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . AAlright.
lright. M
r . KKangas,
a n g a s , iif
f yyou'd
o u d pplease
lease
THE
Mr.
11
s t a n d . Well,
W e l l , actually,
a c t u a l l y , if
i f you'd
y o u d wait
w a i t for
f o r just
j u s t one
o n e second.
s e c o n d . Yeah,
Y e a h , iiff
stand.
12
y o u d please
p l e a s e stand.
stand.
you'd
13
Mr. K
angas, w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o tthe
h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g counts
c o u n t s 1,
1 , 22
Mr.
Kangas,
with
14
a n d 33,, II ffind
i n d tthat
h a t they
t h e y do
do m
e r g e iinto
n t o Count
C o u n t 22,, tthe
h e tthree
h r e e of
o f them.
them. I
and
merge
15
ffind
i n d the
t h e appropriate
a p p r o p r i a t e gridblock
g r i d b l o c kto
t obe
b eaa 41
4 I for
f o r you.
y o u . You
Y o u ddon't
o n t have
h a v e aa
16
h i s t o r y . The
T h e predicate
p r e d i c a t e appropriate
a p p r o p r i a t e grids
g r i d s were
w e r e as
a s 4's
4 ' s for
for
criminal
17
c r i m e seriousness.
s e r i o u s n e s s . The
T h e court
c o u r t looked
l o o k e d at
a t the
t h e arguments
a r g u m e n t s made
m a d e my
m y the
the
crime
18
s t a t e and
a n d found
f o u n d that
t h a t there
t h e r e should
s h o u l d have
h a v e been
b e e n something
s o m e t h i n g plead
p l e a d to
t o the
the
state
19
e f f e c t if
i f II was
w a s going
g o i n g to
t o take
t a k e it
i t to
t o an
a n 8.
8 . And
A n d sso
o II ffind
i n d tthat
h a t the
the
effect
20
a p p r o p r i a t e gridblock
g r i d b l o c k to
t o be
b e aa 4.
4.
appropriate
21
W i t h tthat,
h a t , for
f o r aa 41
4 I tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t is
i s placing
p l a c i n g you
y o u on
o n two
t w o years
ye a rs
With
22
o f fformal
o r m a l pprobation.
robation. Y
o u l l be
b e subject
s u b j e c t to
t o the
t h e general
g e n e r a l conditions
c o n d i t i o n s of
of
of
You'll
23
p r o b a t i o n , along
a l o n g with
w i t h the
t h e following
f o l l o w i n g special
s p e c i a l condition.
c o n d i t i o n . Um,
Um,
probation,
24
a l c o h o l and
a n d drug
d r u gpackage.
p a c k a g e .I Iwill
w i l determine
l d e t e r m i nunder
e u n d eORS
r O R1
S6
1 66.7
6 . 722 00(5)
(5)
alcohol
25
a n d tthat
h a t category,
c a t e g o r y , um,
um, w
e l l set
s e t aa hearing
h e a r i n g to
t o determine
t h e amount
amount
and
we'll
1904

1
o f tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n costs
c o s t s and
a n d other
o t h e r costs
c o s t s that
t h a t can
c a n be
b e oordered
r d e r e d there
there
of
t h r o u g h o u t . Um,
Um, w
e l l sset
e t tthat
h a t aatt aanother
n o t h e r ttime
i m e aand
n d II'll
l l determine
determine
throughout.
we'll
i t then.
t h e n . II
II'm
m going
g o i n g to
t o impose
i m p o s e 20
2 0 ddays
a y s iin
n tthe
h e ccounty
o u n t y jjail
a i l and
and
it
g i v e yyou
o u ccredit
r e d i t ffor
o r ttime
i m e sserved
e r v e d oon
n tthat.
hat.
give
W i t h rregards
e g a r d s to
t o Count
C o u n t 4,
4 , again
a g a i n you
y o u are
a r e aa 41.
4 I . Oh,
O h , bbefore
efore I
With
g o oon
n tto
o tthe
h e nnext
e x t oone,
n e , tthere
h e r e aare
r e some
s o m e oother
t h e r cconditions
o n d i t i o n s of
o f your
yo u r
go
p r o b a t i o n . The
T h e court
c o u r t is
i s ordering
o r d e r i n g no
n o Oregon
O r e g o n Medical
M e d i c a l Marijuana
Act
probation.
p r i v i l e g e s . You
Y o u are
a r e nnot
o t tto
o hhave
a v e aa rregistry
e g i s t r y iidentification
d e n t i f i c a t i o n card,
c a r d , you
yo u
privileges.
a r e not
n o t to
t o have
h a v e aa ggrower
r o w e r ccard,
a r d , you
y o u aare
r e nnot
o t tto
o bbe
e aa ccaregiver,
aregiver,
are
10
y o u r e not
n o t to
t o work
w o r k as
a s aa
s aaf facilitator
a c i l i t a t o r tto
o hhelp
e l p oothers
t h e r s oobtain
btain
you're
aas
11
Oregon m
edical m
a r i j u a n a cards
c a r d s and
and w
o r k iin
n aany
n y ffacility
a c i l i t y that
t h a t does
does
Oregon
medical
marijuana
work
12
s o . And
A n d II w
i l l oorder
r d e r that
t h a t you
y o u not
n o t work
w o r k in
i n an
a n Oregon
Oregon m
edical
so.
will
medical
13
m a r i j u a n a dispensary.
d i s p e n s a r y . I will
w i l l also
a l s o order
o r d e r the
t h e dissolution
d i s s o l u t i o n of
o f the
t h e 45th
45th
marijuana
14
P a r a l l e l enterprise
e n t e r p r i s e and
a n d the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e lCompassion
G r o u p and
and
Parallel
15
a n y tties
i e s that
t h a t you
y o u hhave
a v e tto
o tthose.
hose.
any
16
W i t h rregards
e g a r d s to
t o Count
C o u n t 4,
4 , Count
C o u n t 5 and
and C
o u n t 99,, II bbelieve
elieve
With
Count
17
t h o s e will
will
w
e l l , I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o order
o r d e r them
t h e m and
a n d order
o r d e r them
t h e m to
t o be
be
those
well,
18
c o n c u r r e n t . And
A n d the
t h e sentence
s e n t e n c e is
i s the
t h e same
s a m e as
a s in
i n Count
C o u n t 2.
2 . And
A n d II'm
m
concurrent.
19
g o i n g to
t o order
o r d e r that
t h a t you
y o u pay
p a y for
f o r Count
C o u n t 22 $7
$ 7 5500i ninaattorney
t t o r n e y ffees.
e e s . II'm
m
going
20
n o t going
g o i n g tto
o oorder
r d e r aany
n y oother
t h e r aattorney
t t o r n e y fee
f e e costs
c o s t s there.
t h e r e . And
A n d II base
base
not
21
t h a t on
o n your
y o u r ttestimony
e s t i m o n y that
t h a t you
y o u gave
g a v e aand
n d oon
n yyour
o u r ffinancial
inancial
that
22
c i r c u m s t a n c e s at
a t the
t h e time.
t i m e . As
A s I said,
s a i d , we
we w
i l l determine
d e t e r m i n e in
i n the
the
circumstances
will
23
ffuture
u t u r e the
t h e other
o t h e rcosts,
c o s t s what
, w h a are
t a r eallowed
a l l o w e under
d u n d eORS
r OR1
S6
1 66.7
6 . 722 00(5).
(5).
24
S
o, M
r. D
u g a n , hhave
a v e II m
i s s e d aanything
n y t h i n g on
o n hhis?
is?
So,
Mr.
Dugan,
missed
25
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , yyou
o u ssaid
a i d oon
n t the
h e aattorney
t t o r n e y ffees
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MR.
DUGAN:
1905

1
t h a t was
w a s under
u n d e r Count
C o u n t 22.. II ddon't
o n t think
t h i n k you
y o u meant
m e a n t it
i t under
u n d e r Count
C o u n t 2.
2.
that
U h , yyou
ou m
e a n t tthat
h a t under
u n d e r Count
C o u n t 4,
4, 5
5 and
a n d 9.
9.
Uh,
meant
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWell
e l l t hthat's
a t s ttrue.
r u e . IIt'd
t d be
b e under
u n d e r Count
C o u n t 4.
4.
THE
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
THE C
O U R T : CCount
o u n t 44,
, tthank
h a n k yyou.
ou. U
m , bbut
u t eeverything
ve ryt h i n g
THE
COURT:
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e l s e would
w o u l d bbe
e cconcurrent.
o n c u r r e n t . Mr.
M r . Kiyuna,
K i y u n a , aanything?
nyt h i n g?
else
M R . KIYUNA:
KIYUNA: U
m , nno.
o.
MR.
Um,
THE C
OURT: M
r . KKangas,
a n g a s , ddo
o yyou
o u hhave
a v e aany
n y qquestions?
uestions?
THE
COURT:
Mr.
M R . KANGAS:
KANGAS: N
o ssir.
ir.
MR.
No
10
THE C
OURT: M
r . KKangas,
a n g a s , yyou
o u hhave
a v e aarright
i g h t tto
o aappeal.
p p e a l . To
To
THE
COURT:
Mr.
11
d o sso
o yyou
o u nneed
e e d tto
o ggive
i v e wwritten
r i t t e n nnotice
o t i c e to
t o the
t h e Court
C o u r t of
o f Appeals
Appeals
do
12
( I N A U D I B L E ) 330
0 ddays
a y s aand
n d ggive
i v e wwritten
r i t t e n nnotice
o t i c e to
t o the
t h e DA
D A and
a n d to
t o the
the
(INAUDIBLE)
13
c l e r k of
o f the
t h e court.
c o u r t . You
Y o u can
c a n go
g o aahead
h e a d aand
n d pplease
l e a s e bbe
e sseated.
eated.
clerk
14
N e x t iiss S
t a t e v.
v. E
sbensen. M
r . EEsbensen,
s b e n s e n , iiff yyou'd
o u d please
please
Next
State
Esbensen.
Mr.
15
s t a n d . Mr.
M r . Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , is
i s there
t h e r e anything
a n y t h i n g you
y o u want
w a n t to
t o say
s a y before
before I
stand.
16
i m p o s e tthe
h e ssentence?
entence?
impose
17
MR. E
SBENSEN: N
o ssir.
ir.
MR.
ESBENSEN:
No
18
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . AAgain,
g a i n , IIf find
i n d tthe
h e aappropriate
ppropriate
19
g r i d b l o c k to
t o be
b e aa 4G.
4 G . And
A n d tthose
h o s e are
a r e mergings
m e r g i n g s Counts
Counts 1
1 and
and 3
3 iinto
nto
gridblock
20
C o u n t 22.. Y
o u aalso
lso w
i l l bbe
e pplaced
l a c e d oon
n ttwo
w o yyears
e a r s oof
f fformal
o r m a l pprobation
robation
Count
You
will
21
s u b j e c t to
t o the
t h e alcohol
a l c o h o l and
a n d drug
d r u g package.
package. I w
i l l also
a l s o determine
the
subject
will
22
c o s t s that
t h a t the
t h e court
c o u r t will
w i l l assess
a s s e s s in
i n aa further
f u r t h e r hearing
h e a r i n g as
a s allowed
a l l o w e d by
by
costs
23
O R S 11 6 66.7
. 7 2200(5).
(5).
ORS
24
25
i l l order
o r d e r that
t h a t you
y o u not
n o t have
h a v e any
a n y Oregon
O r e g o n Medical
Medical
Iw
will
Marijuana A
c t pprivileges.
rivileges. N
o rregistry
e g i s t r y ccard,
a r d , iidentification
d e n t i f i c a t i o n card,
c a r d , no
no
Marijuana
Act
No
SENTENCE FOR MR. ESBENSEN
1906

1
g r o w e r ccard,
a r d , nno
o ccaregiver
a r e g i v e r rresponsibilities,
e s p o n s i b i l i t i e s , not
n o t to
t o work
w o r k as
a s aa
grower
ffacilitator
a c i l i t a t o r to
t o help
h e l p others
o t h e r s obtain
o b t a i nOregon
O r e g o n Medical
M e d i c a l Marijuana
Act
c a r d s , and
a n d no
no w
o r k i n g iin
n aan
n O
regon m
edical m
a r i j u a n a ddispensary.
i sp e n sa ry.
cards,
working
Oregon
medical
marijuana
II'm
m further
f u r t h e r ordering
o r d e r i n g the
t h e dissolution
d i s s o l u t i o n of
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l and
a n d the
the
45th P
a r a l l e l Compassion
C o m p a s s i o n Group.
Group.
45th
Parallel
m aalso
l s o ggoing
o i n g tto
o oorder
r d e r iin
n C
o u n t 22 aas
s ppart
a r t oof
f tthe
h e jjail,
ail, I
I aam
Count
a m iimposing
m p o s i n g 1140
4 0 ddays
a y s iin
n tthe
h e ccounty
o u n t y jjail.
a i l . How
H o w I gget
e t tthat
h a t 140
1 4 0 days
d a ys
am
i s clear
c l e a r under
u n d e r Oregon
O r e g o n Administrative
A d m i n i s t r a t i v e Rules
R u l e s under
u n de r
under
u n d e r 213213is
0 0 5 - 0 0 1 3 tthat
h a t tthe
h e llimitations
i m i t a t i o n s established
e s t a b l i s h e d by
b y this
t h i s rule
r u l e on
o n the
t h e use
u s e of
of
005-0013
10
j a i l (INAUDIBLE)
( I N A U D I B L E ) iis
s ppart
a r t ooff aa pprobationary
r o b a t i o n a r y sentence
s e n t e n c e may
m a y be
be
jail
11
e x c e e d e d iiff tthe
h e ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g jjudge,
u d g e , after
a f t e r consulting
c o n s u l t i n g with
w i t h the
the
exceeded
12
a p p r o p r i a t e supervisory
s u p e r v i s o r y authority,
a u t h o r i t y , finds
f i n d s on
o n the
t h e record
r e c o r d tthat
h a t local
local
appropriate
13
j a i l space
s p a c e provided
p r o v i d e d by
b y the
t h e county
c o u n t y iiss aavailable
v a i l a b l e for
f o r aa longer
l o n g e r term.
t e r m . II
jail
14
have m
a d e ssuch
u c h aan
n iinquiry.
n q u i r y . I sspoke
p o k e tto
o tthe
h e llieutenant
i e u t e n a n t over
over
Lt.
Lt .
have
made
15
R e yn a , R
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n d iinquired
n q u i r e d aas
s tto
o sspace.
p a c e . And
A n d II ffind
i n d tthat
h a t tthere
here
Reyna,
R-E-Y-N-A.
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16
i s space
s p a c e pprovided
r o v i d e d bby
y tthe
h e ccounty
o u n t y tthat's
h a t s available
a v a i l a b l e for
f o r aa longer
l o n g e r term.
term.
is
17
A n d uunder
n d e r ((b),
b ) , eexcuse
x c u s e me,
m e , uunder
n d e r ((a)
a ) the
t h e court
c o u r t can
c a n impose
i m p o s e 20
2 0 days,
d a ys,
And
18
which
w h i c h I do;
d o ; and
a n d then
t h e n it
i t says
s a y s up
u p to
t o the
t h e maximum
m a x i m u m (INAUDIBLE)
( IN AU D IBLE )
19
u n i t s described
d e s c r i b e d in
i n OAR
O A R 213-005-0012
2 1 3 - 0 0 5 - 0 0 1 2 and
a n d 3,
3 , um,
u m , II impose
i m p o s e the
t h e 120
120
units
20
d a y s aallowed
l l o w e d tthere
h e r e for
f o r a total
t o t a l of
o f 140
1 4 0 days.
d a ys.
days
21
W i t h rregards
e g a r d s to
t o Count
Count
w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s to
t o Count
C o u n t 4,
4 , I aalso
lso
With
with
22
p l a c e you
y o u oon
n ttwo
w o yyears
e a r s fformal
o r m a l pprobation,
r o b a t i o n , ssubject
u b j e c t to
t o tthe
h e aalcohol
lcohol
place
23
a n d ddrug
r u g ppackage
a c k a g e aand
n d uum,
m , II'll
l l impose
i m p o s e aa $$200
2 0 0 ffine.
i n e . II'm
m also
also
and
24
o r d e r i n g the
t h e prohibitions
p r o h i b i t i o n s of
o f acting
a c t i n g in
i n the
t h e Oregon
O r e g o n Medical
Medical
ordering
25
A c t privileges
p r i v i l e g e s that
t h a tIIhad
h a d mentioned
m e n t i o n e dand
a n dII
II am
a m going
going
Marijuana
1907

1
t o iimpose
m p o s e 220
0 ddays,
a ys, w
h i c h II'll
l l run
r u n cconsecutive
o n s e c u t i v e to
t o that
t h a t given
g i v e n in
in
to
which
Count
C o u n t 2.
2.
C o u n t s 5,
5 , 6,
6 , 7,
7 , 8,
8 , 9,
9 , 10,
1 0 , 11
1 1 aand
n d 116,
6 , uum,
m , II'm
m giving
g i v i n g the
the
Counts
s a m e ssentence
e n t e n c e as
a s in
i n Count
C o u n t 44 bbut
ut w
i t h nno
o jjail
a i l ttime
i m e iimposed
m p o s e d aatt tthis
his
same
with
p o i n t . And
A n d II w
i l l run
r u n tthose
h o s e concurrent.
c o n c u r r e n t . And
A n d so
s o those
t h o s e will
w i l l be
be
point.
will
c o n c u r r e n t with
w i t h Count
C o u n t 4,
4 , but
b u t they
t h e y will
w i l l be
b e the
t h e same
s a m e aas
s ggiven
i v e n tthere.
here.
concurrent
A n d sso
o tthat's
h a t s what
w h a t I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o impose.
impose.
And
8
9
S
o , yyou
o u aalso
l s o hhave
a v e aa rright
i g h t to
t o appeal
a p p e a l just
j u s t as
a s II gave
g a v e to
t o Mr.
Mr.
So,
K a n g a s , aalright?
l r i g h t ? And
A n d yyou
o u aalso
lso m
a y rreceive
e c e i v e ccredit
r e d i t ffor
o r ttime
i m e sserved.
erved.
Kangas,
may
10
S
o II'd
d like
l i k e to,
t o , um,
u m , just
just
I'll
I l l set
s e titi tup
u pwith
w i t h the
t h e
my
m y sstaff
t a f f and
and
So
11
w i t h tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t sstaff
t a f f there
t h e r e to
t o set
s e t that
t h a t hearing
h e a r i n g for
f o r the
t h e costs
c o s t s that
t h a t the
the
with
12
s t a t u t e allows
a l l o w s for.
f o r . So,
S o , Mr.
M r . Dugan,
D u g a n , anything
e l s e from
f r o m you?
yo u ?
statute
13
MR. D
U G A N : UUh,
h , nno,
o , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , aalthough
l t h o u g h I would
w o u l d ask
ask
MR.
DUGAN:
14
t h a t the
t h e hearing
h e a r i n g be
b e set
s e t sometime
s o m e t i m e like
l i k e the
t h e second
s e c o n d week
w e e k of
o f July
J u l y or
or
that
15
a f t e r . II don't
d o n t know
know w
h a t tthe
h e ccourt's...
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after.
what
16
17
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : OOh,
h , i tit'll
l l bbe
e aafter
f t e r bbecause
e c a u s e II'm
m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
to
THE
b e aavailable
v a i l a b l e as
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b e c a u s e II think
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m a y be
b e put
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a t t o r n e y for
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did
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15
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l e g a l research
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w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o the
t h e Oregon
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RICO
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16
s t a t u t e and
a n d II then
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c h a r g i n g document
d o c u m e n t that
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c a s e to
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1911
th
U h , iin
n September
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a n d 12th
1 2 t h of
o f 2012
2 0 1 2 tthe
h e Malheur
Malheur
and
Uh,
20
C o u n t y SSheriff's
h e r i f f s office,
o f f i c e , in
i n cooperation
c o o p e r a t i o n with
w i t h aa half
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d o z e n or
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21
m o r e oother
t h e r law
l a w enforcement
e n f o r c e m e n t agencies,
a g e n c i e s , including
i n c l u d i n g agencies
a g e n c i e s from
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22
Harney C
o u n t y , BBaker
a k e r CCounty,
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a y e t t e , II think
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three
Harney
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23
c o u n t i e s in
i n Idaho,
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a n d the
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O n t a r i o State
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counties
24
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l o c a t i o n s . One
O n e of
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locations,
warrants
25
o f course,
c o u r s e , was
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t h e Esbensen
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c o u r t probably
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t h e evidence
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s b e n s e n s property.
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t h e Kangas
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roperty
i t s e l f : aa small
s m a l l amount
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r e l a t e d to
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11
r e s e a r c h on
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i n aa pparticular
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l e g a l research
r e s e a r c hwas
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d o n e . We
We
in
13
w e n t back
b a c k to
t o the
t h e grand
g r a n d jury,
j u r y , II think,
t h i n k ,in
i nDecember
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o f2012
2 0 1 2 and
and
went
14
r e i n d i c t e d with
w i t h the
t h e appropriate
a p p r o p r i a t e language
l a n g u a g e for
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o f the
t h e RICO
RICO
reindicted
15
counts.
counts.
16
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a r r a n t iinformation
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b e e n rrecovered
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c a t e g o r i z e d and
a n d logged
l o g g e d and
and
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18
d e l i v e r e d as
a s discovery.
d i s c o v e r y . And
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19
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20
d i f f e r e n t search
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t h e documents
d o c u m e n t s seized
s e i z e d that
t h a t were
were
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21
r e l a t e d to
t o the
t h e RICO
R I C O aactivity
c t i v i t y were
w e r e sseized
e i z e d from
f r o m eeither
i t h e r the
t h e 45th
45th
related
22
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l o c a t i o n , the
t h e 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l clinic
c l i n i c location,
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the
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s b e n s e n rresidence
e s i d e n c e in
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U m , tthere
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a s tthen
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ubsequently a
a m
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o ssuppress
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u m , and
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l e g a l research
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v i r t u a l l y all,
a l l , not
n o t all,
a l l , of
o f the
t h e defendants
d e f e n d a n t s filed
f i l e d aa motion
m o t i o n to
t o suppress.
suppress.
virtually
U m , II ddon't
o n t think
t h i n k Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s ffiled
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a m
o t i o n tto
o ssuppress
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o r jjoined
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Um,
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i n tthe
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b u t all
a l l the
t h e other
other
most
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h e oother
ther
in
d e f e n d a n t s did.
did.
defendants
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o m e oof
f tthe
h e ccases
a s e s rresolved
e s o l v e d between
b e t w e e n then
t h e n and
a n d the
t h e motion
motion
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t o suppress,
s u p p r e s s , but
b u t we
w e heard
h e a r d the
t h e motion
m o t i o n to
t o ssuppress
u p p r e s s I think
t h i n k in
i n the
the
to
llatter
a t t e r part
p a r t of
o f 2013,
2 0 1it3 ,was
i t w taken
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r a d v i s e m e n tand
a n d then
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set
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h a d severed
s e v e r e d one
one
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10
o f tthe
h e ccriminal
r i m i n a l defendants
d e f e n d a n t s for
f o r trial.
t r i a l .We
W e severed
s e v e r e d Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n from
from
of
11
a l l the
t h e other
o t h e r criminal
c r i m i n a l defendants.
d e f e n d a n t s .Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n was
w a s severed
s e v e r e d at
a t the
the
all
12
r e q u e s t of
o f the
t h e state
s t a t e because
b e c a u s e Kelly
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ubstantial
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13
s t a t e m e n t and
a n d aadmissions
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n v e s t i g a t o r during
d u r i n g hhis
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nterview
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w h i c h iimplicated
m p l i c a t e d aa number
n u m b e r ooff tthe
h e oother
t h e r cco-defendants.
o - d e f e n d a n t s . And
A n d it
it
which
15
s e e m e d tthat
h a t in
i n oorder
r d e r to
t o get
g e t his
h i s statement
s t a t e m e n t in
i n against
a g a i n s t him
h i m II had
h a d to
to
seemed
16
s e v e r hhim
i m ffor
o r ttrial.
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17
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o tthat
h a t ttrial
r i a l was
w a s iinitially
n i t i a l l y set
s e t for
f o r August,
A u g u s t , um,
u m , and
a n d then
then
So
18
r e s e t for
f o r September
S e p t e m b e r pending
p e n d i n g the
t h e outcome
o u t c o m e of
o f the
t h e motion
m o t i o n to
to
reset
19
s u p p r e s s . And
A n d tthen
h e n the
t h e motion
m o t i o n to
t o suppress
s u p p r e s s got
g o t set
s e t over
o v e r and
a n d then
then
suppress.
20
t h a t trial
t r i a l got
g o t reset
r e s e t again
a g a i n after
a f t e r the
t h e motion
m o t i o n to
t o suppress;
s u p p r e s s ; so
s o there
there
that
21
w a s aatt lleast
e a s t ttwo
w o ttimes
i m e s tthat
h a t II've
v e pprepared
r e p a r e d tthat
h a t ccase
a s e ffor
o r ttrial.
r i a l . That
That
was
22
case
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f ccourse
o u r s e ppreparing
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time.
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a v e rreconstructed
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c a s e s ggenerally
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t h i n k , five
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O v e r tthe
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18
c a s e s I sspent
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t h e n when
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24
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a s s i g n e d in
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n d tthen
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25
o u t ffacts
a c t s I'll
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p u tyou
y o u under
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t h a t you
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t h a t out
o u t and
and
out
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1
y o u d be
b e subject
s u b j e c t to
t o cross
c r o s s examination
e x a m i n a t i o n by
b y ddefendants.
efendants.
you'd
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o t hthat
a t t that
h a t ccan
a n bbe
e qquestioned
u e s t i o n e d aass ffar
a r as
as
THE
COURT:
w h e t h e r rrecently
e c e n t l y iincurred.
ncurred.
whether
M R . DUGAN:
DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
Okay.
THE C
O U R T : SSo,
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u e s s wwhat
h a t II'd
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THE
COURT:
t h e ttotal
o t a l amount
a m o u n t ooff ccosts
o s t s oof
f iinvestigation
a n d pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n that
t h a t the
the
the
s t a t e is
i s seeking
s e e k i n g in
i n this
t h i s case
c a s e from
f r o m Mr.
M r . Kangas.
Kangas.
state
MR. D
U G A N : WWe're
e r e nnot
o t s specifically
p e c i f i c a l l y rrequesting
equesting
MR.
DUGAN:
10
i n v e s t i g a t i o n costs
c o s t s that
t h a t were
w e r e incurred
i n c u r r e d by
b y the
t h e sheriff
s h e r i f f and
a n d other
other
investigation
11
p o l i c e agencies,
a g e n c i e s , but
b u t the
t h e total
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o f prosecution
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i n v o l v e d in
i n tthis
his
police
12
c a s e that
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w a s $$48,832.57.
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13
$ 4 8 , 8 3 2 . 5 7 , Kerry
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a n d Kelly
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R h o a n have
h a v e bbeen
e e n oordered
r d e r e d each
e a c h to
t o pay
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14
$ 3 , 5 0 0 oor
r $$7,000.
7 , 0 0 0 . SSo
o t that'll
h a t l l remove...
remove...
$3,500
15
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : $$3,500
3 , 5 0 0 eeach
a c h i in
n f for
o r t the
h e ccost
o s t oof
f pprosecution?
rosecution?
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16
MR. D
U G A N : CCorrect.
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MR.
DUGAN:
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17
k i n d ooff eemployees
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18
A n n SSwallow
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e r jjudgment
u d g m e n t to
t o pay
p a y $$15,000
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for
Ann
19
t h e costs
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o f prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o n in
i n lieu
l i e u of
o f aa RICO
R I C O cconviction,
o n v i c t i o n , but
b u t she
she
the
20
a g r e e d tto
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he M
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o u n t y DDistrict
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Malheur
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a v e SSwallow
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22
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23
t h e $17,500
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h a t lleaves
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the
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24
asking
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o r ttoday
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f $$24,332.57.
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l l repeat
r e p e a t that:
t h a t : $24,332.57.
$24,332.57.
25
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n c l u d e s basically
b a s i c a l l y the
t h e amounts
amounts
The
1918
MR. KIYUNA WAIVES OPENING

1
o f ttime
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n d eenergy
n e r g y sspent
p e n t bby
y tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n staff
s t a f f and
a n d the
t h e amount
amount
of
o f sspace
p a c e in
i n the
t h e courthouse
c o u r t h o u s e that
t h a t II would
w o u l d have
h a v e to
t o use
u s e and
and a
of
p e r c e n t a g e of
o f tthat
h a t sspace
p a c e rrelating
e l a t i n g to
t o pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n ccosts.
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percentage
4
5
THE
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAlright,
l r i g h t , tthank
h a n k yyou.
o u . FFor
o r oopening,
p e n i n g , tthen,
h e n , Mr.
Mr.
K i y u n a , do
d o you
yo u w
a n t tto
o bbe
e hheard?
eard?
Kiyuna,
want
6
7
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , nno,
o , nnot
o t f for
o r oopening,
p e n i n g , jjudge.
u d g e . II'd
d waive
waive
MR.
KIYUNA:
opening,
o p e n i n g , I'd
I d reserve
r e s e r v e my
m y comments
c o m m e n t s ffor
o r aafter.
fter.
8
9
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y. M
s . GGerber,
e r b e r , ddid
i d you
y o u hhave
a v e any
any
THE
COURT:
Ms.
opening?
opening?
10
MS. G
ERBER: Y
our H
o n o r , II jjust
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as w
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MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor,
was
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11
w h e n yyou
ou w
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e t to
o t take
a k e uup
p ssome
o m e aadditional
d d i t i o n a l iissues
s s u e s tthat
h a t arose
arose
when
wanted
me
12
s i n c e we
we w
e r e llast
a s t bbefore
e f o r e yyou.
o u . II ccan
a n ccertainly
e r t a i n l y address
a d d r e s s the
the
since
were
13
r e s t i t u t i o nissue
i s s u ein
i nan
a nopening,
o p e n i n g ,but
b u tum,
u m ,we
w e do,
d o , Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a and
and I
restitution
14
b o t h , join
j o i n in
i n separate
s e p a r a t e motions
m o t i o n s that
t h a t we
w e need
n e e d to
t o make
m a k e today
t o d a y before
before
both,
15
t h e court;
c o u r t ; and
a n d II don't
d o n t know
k n o w if
i f you
y o u wanted
w a n t e d to
t o address
a d d r e s s that
t h a t now
n o w or
o r iiff
the
16
yo u w
a n t e d to
t o wait
w a i t (INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
you
wanted
17
THE C
O U R T : I Iddidn't
i d n t kknow
n o w tthere
h e r e were
w e r e any
a n y oother
ther
THE
COURT:
18
m o t i o n s . The
T h e oonly
n l y tthing
h i n g II w
a s aaware
w a r e oof
f wwas
a s f for
o r t this
h i s rrestitution
estitution
motions.
was
19
hearing.
hearing.
20
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : TThat's
h a t s (INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
21
MR. N
ORRIS: A
nd, Y
our H
onor...
MR.
NORRIS:
And,
Your
Honor...
22
MS. G
E R B E R : . ....and
. a n d iit's
t s something
s o m e t h i n g that
t h a t we
w e found
f o u n d out
out
MS.
GERBER:
23
a b o u t and
a n d I bbelieve
e l i e v e Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a ccan
a n sspeak
p e a k aalso
l s o oon
n tto
o tthis
h i s tthat,
h a t , um,
um,
about
24
w e ddidn't
i d n t want
w a n t to,
t o , II guess,
g u e s s , show
s h o w up
u p with
with a
a m
otion w
i t h aall
l l of
o f tthese
hese
we
motion
with
25
d o c u m e n t s tthat
h a t were
w e r e pprovided
r o v i d e d tto
o uus,
s , uum,
m , aafter
f t e r II ffiled
i l e d a ddiscovery
iscovery
documents
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
motion
motion
mistrial
m o t i o n aand
n d ffile
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a m
o t i o n ffor
or m
i s t r i a l and/or
a n d / o r for
f o r aa new
n e w ttrial
r i a l and
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g i v e the
t h e court
c o u r t or
o r the
t h e DA
D A aan
n oopportunity
p p o r t u n i t y to
t o respond.
r e s p o n d . Um,
U m , but
but
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o hhave
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o m
o v e i immediately
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r i a l based
b a s e d on
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d i s c o v e r y we
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r e c e i v e d and
a n d based
b a s e d on
on
a
a d d i t i o n a l discovery...
d i sc o ve r y. . .
additional
THE
COURT:
When
THE C
OURT: W
h e n ddid
i d yyou
o u ffile
i l e tthat?
hat?
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
udge, w
e hhave
a v e nnot
o t ffiled
i l e d iit.
t . Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
Ki yu na
MS.
GERBER:
we
a n d II ddiscussed
i s c u s s e d iit.
t.
and
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , II'm
m nnot
o t ggoing
o i n g tto
o ttake
a k e iitt up
u p today
t o d a y and
and
THE
COURT:
10
llet
e t me
m e eexplain
x p l a i n my
m y rreason.
e a s o n . I was
w a s tthere
h e r e yesterday
y e s t e r d a y in
i n Malheur
County
11
and w
e r e doing
d o i n g this
t h i s by
b y video
v i d e o ttoday.
o d a y . I llooked
o o k e d tthrough
h r o u g h tthe
h e ffiles
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to
and
we're
12
see w
hat w
a s ccoming
o m i n g fforth.
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h a t II'm
m hhearing
e a r i n g yyou
o u ssay
a y iis
s iit's
t s aa
see
what
was
What
13
d i s c o v e r y issue,
i s s u e , something
t h a t is
i s not
n o t something
t h a t just
j u s t became
became
discovery
14
a n e w ssince
i n c e yyesterday.
e s t e r d a y . And
And m
y i issue
s s u e iis
s tthis,
h i s , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , II've
v e ttried
ried
anew
my
15
t o gget
e t pprepared
r e p a r e d so
s o tthat
h a t I ccould
ould m
a k e tthe
h e aappropriate
p p r o p r i a t e rrulings
u l i n g s hhere.
ere.
to
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16
U m , yyou
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o m m e n t aagainst
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aa m
o m e n t aago
g o aas
s ffar
a r aass the
the
Um,
made
moment
17
c o u r t should
s h o u l d respond.
r e s p o n d . Well,
W e l l , I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o respond,
r e s p o n d ,II may
m a y make
make
court
18
a rruling,
u l i n g , but
b u t I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o respond
r e s p o n d to
t o something
t h a t someone
someone
a
19
ffiles.
i l e s . Um,
U m , the
t h e state
s t a t e always
a l w a y s has
h a s an
a n oopportunity
t o respond
r e s p o n d but
b u t they
they
20
n e e d tto
o bbe
e m
a d e aaware
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lso.
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21
S
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e r e going
g o i n g tto
o ttake
a k e uup
p tthis
h i s rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n hearing
h e a r i n g today
today
So,
we're
22
b e c a u s e I ddon't
o n t have
h a v e anything
a n y t h i n g filed
f i l e d in
i n front
f r o n t of
o f me
m e and
and w
e v e had,
had,
because
we've
23
II ddon't
o n t know
k n o w how
h o w llong,
o n g , ssince
i n c e the
t h e end
e n d ooff tthe
h e ccase
a s e aand
nd w
h e n II'd
d
when
24
d o n e tthe
h e ssentencing.
e n t e n c i n g . And
A n d II w
o u l d tthink
h i n k tthat
h a t tthat
h a t motion
m o t i o n for
f o r the
the
done
would
25
m i s t r i a l for
f o r anything
a n y t h i n g on
o n the
t h e discovery
d i s c o v e r y or
o r anything
e l s e that
t h a t comes
comes
mistrial
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
u p , tthat
h a t would've
w o u l d v e been
b e e n filed
f i l e d prior
p r i o r to
t o this
t h i s moment.
m o m e n t . So,
S o , II want
w a n t to
to
up,
h e a r ffurther
u r t h e r from
f r o m yyou
o u oon
n t this,
h i s , bbut
u t rright
i g h t nnow
o w t hthat's
a t s tthe
h e ccourt's
ourts
hear
lleaning
e a n i n g because
b e c a u s e otherwise
o t h e r w i s e I'm
I m unprepared
u n p r e p a r e d to
t o make
make a
a rruling
u l i n g right
right
now w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o iitt bbecause
e c a u s e I llooked
o o k e d to
t o see
s e e iiff there
t h e r e was
was
now
with
a n y t h i n g new
n e w tthat
h a t hhad
a d bbeen
e e n ffiled.
i l e d . And
A n d iitt aalso
l s o lleaves
e a v e s tthe
h e sstate
tate
anything
u n p r e p a r e d to
t o respond
r e s p o n d today
t o d a y ffor
o r the
t h e first
f i r s t time.
t i m e . So
S o go
g o ahead.
ahead.
unprepared
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : YYeah,
e a h , j ujudge,
d g e , I Iddon't
o n t tthink
h i n k II aarticulated
rticulated
m y s e l f vvery
e r y cclearly.
l e a r l y . Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a and
a n d II ddiscussed
i s c u s s e d this
t h i s matter
m a t t e r and
a n d we
we
myself
p u r p o s e l y did
d i d nnot
o t ffile
i l e it
i t because
b e c a u s e we
w e ddidn't
i d n t want
w a n t the
t h e court
c o u r t to
t o be
be
purposely
10
s u r p r i s e d by
b y iitt and
a n d hhave
a v e tto
o rread
e a d ssomething
o m e t h i n g oovernight
vernight w
h e n tthere's
heres
surprised
when
11
a p p r o x i m a t e l y 100
1 0 0 eexhibits,
x h i b i t s , and
a n d we
w e aalso
l s o did
d i d not
n o t want
w a n t tto
o ssandbag,
andbag,
approximately
12
ffor
o r llack
a c k ooff aa bbetter
e t t e r pphrase,
h r a s e , the
t h e District
D i s t r i c t Attorney
A t t o r n e y by
b y ffiling
i l i n g it
i t at
a t the
the
13
llast
a s t minute
m i n u t e either.
e i t h e r . But
B u t it
i t is
i s something
t h a t we
w e became
b e c a m e aware
a w a r e of
of
14
p o s t - t r i a l and
a n d post-motion
p o s t - m o t i o n ffor
o r ddiscovery
i s c o v e r y tthat
h a t II ffiled.
i l e d . IIt's
t s newly
newly
post-trial
15
d i s c o v e r e d evidence,
e v i d e n c e , but
b u t we
we
m
y iintent
n t e n t aand
nd M
r . KKiyuna's
i y u n a s iintent
ntent
discovered
my
Mr.
16
w a s nnot
o t tto
o
o ssurprise
u r p r i s e tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t today
t o d a y with
w i t h it
i t and
a n d have
h a v e you
y o u read
read
was
tto
17
i t at
a t the
t h e last
l a s t minute
m i n u t e and
a n d dump
d u m p aa bunch
b u n c h of
o f paperwork
p a p e r w o r k on
o n work
w o r k and
and
it
18
t h e n not
n o t give
g i v e tthe
h e District
A t t o r n e y aa chance
c h a n c e to
t o respond.
r e s p o n d . We
We
then
19
w a n t e d to
t o be
b e aass ffair
a i r as
a s possible,
p o s s i b l e , but
b u t we
w e do
d o have
h a v e to
t o make
m a k e the
the
wanted
20
m o t i o n based
b a s e d on
o n the
t h e evidence
t h a t we
w e have;
h a v e ; and
a n d we
w e do
d o have
have
motion
21
v o l u m i n o u s amount
a m o u n t ooff eexhibits
x h i b i t s to
t o submit,
s u b m i t , but
b u t II wanted
w a n t e d to
t o make
m a k e the
the
voluminous
22
c o u r t and
a n d tthe
h e District
A t t o r n e y had
h a d ample
a m p l e time
t i m e to
t o review
r e v i e w those
those
court
23
d o c u m e n t s aas
s iitt rrelated
e l a t e d to
t o tthat
h a t motion.
m o t i o n . So
S o II ddefinitely
e f i n i t e l y ddidn't
idnt
iiff
documents
24
II m
i s s p o k e , II aapologize,
p o l o g i z e , Your
Y o u r Honor;
H o n o r ; II ddidn't
i d n t want
w a n t you
y o u to
t o think
think
misspoke,
25
t h a t we
we w
a n t e d tto
o hhave
a v e yyou
o u hhear
e a r tthat
h a t ttoday.
o d a y.
that
wanted
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
1921
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
MR.
DUGAN:
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , i if
f IImmay
a y i ninterject
t e r j e c t oone
n e tthing.
hing.
T
h e r e was
w a s nno
o m
o t i o n ffor
o r aa
n m
y r recollection
e c o l l e c t i o n there
t h e r e was
w a s no
no
There
motion
iin
my
a d d i t i o n a l motion
m o t i o n for
f o r discovery
d i s c o v e r y at
a t the
t h e conclusion
c o n c l u s i o n or
o r aafter
f t e r the
the
additional
t r i a l . Ms.
M s . Gerber
G e r b e r asked
a s k e d our
o u r office
o f f i c e to
t o provide
p r o v i d e to
t o her
h e r evidence
e v i d e n c e of
of
trial.
m y ssalary,
a l a ry, m
y ttime
i m e sslips
l i p s aand
nd m
y ccontracts
ontracts w
i t h tthe
h e county.
c o u n t y . That
That
my
my
my
with
w a s pprovided
r o v i d e d tto
o hher.
er. T
h o s e aare
r e ppublic
u b l i c rrecords.
e c o r d s . But
B u t our
o u r ooffice
ffice
was
Those
p r o v i d e d that
t h a t to
t o her
h e r and
a n d it
i t has
h a s nothing
n o t h i n g to
t o do
do w
i t h tthe
h e uunderlying
n d e r l yi n g
provided
with
t a c k s of
o f tthe
h e ccriminal
r i m i n a l iinvestigation
n v e s t i g a t i o n or
o r criminal
c r i m i n a l case.
case.
tacks
A n d tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t is
i s correct
c o r r e c t we
w e have
h a v e not
n o t seen
s e e n any
a n y motion
motion
And
10
ffrom
rom M
s. G
e r b e r oor
rM
r . KKiyuna,
i y u n a , iin
n aaddition
d d i t i o n tto
o w
h i c h tthey
h e y hhaven't
avent
Ms.
Gerber
Mr.
which
11
e v e n ccalled
a l l e d us
u s to
t o tell
t e l l us
u s that
t h a t they
t h e y had
h a d aa problem
p r o b l e m or
o r wanted
w a n t e d to
t o do
do a
even
12
m o t i o n ; tthere's
h e r e s been
b e e n no
n o ccommunication.
o m m u n i c a t i o n . II tthink
h i n k iit's
t s really
r e a l l y too
t o o late
late
motion;
13
ffor
o r tthem
h e m tto
o ffile
i l e ffor
o r aannew
e w t rtrial;
i a l ; ccertainly,
e r t a i n l y , sstatutorily,
t a t u t o r i l y , iit's
t s over
over
14
w i t h aand
n d ddiscovery
i s c o v e r y iissues
s s u e s jjust,
u s t , II jjust
u s t ddon't
o n t see
s e e them.
them.
with
15
16
17
1922
THE C
OURT: W
e l l , llet
et m
e jjust
u s t aask
s k tthis,
h i s , Ms.
M s . Gerber.
G e r b e r . You
You
THE
COURT:
Well,
me
s a i d that
t h a t this
t h i s was
w a s newly
n e w l y ddiscovered;
i s c o v e r e d ; when
w h e n did
d i d yyou
o u ddiscover
i s c o v e r iit?
t?
said
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , iif
f II ccan
a n aaddress
d d r e s s tthe
h e ccourt,
o u r t , we
w e were
were
MS.
GERBER:
18
b e f o r e the
t h e court
c o u r t on
o n June
J u n e 24th,
2 4 t h , 2014
2 0 1 4 ffor
o r ssentencing.
e n t e n c i n g . II filed
f i l e d my
my
before
19
th
r e q u e s t for
f o r discovery
d i s c o v e r y on
o n June
J u n e 26
2 6 th,
, which
w h i c h would've
w o u l d v e been
b e e n two
t w o days
d a ys
request
20
llater.
a t e r . II first
f i r s t received
r e c e i v e d aa response
r e s p o n s e to
t o that
t h a t request
r e q u e s t for
f o r discovery
d i s c o v e r y July
July
21
th
1 6 th,
, um,
u m , from
f r o m Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n , aand
n d aall
l l iitt said
s a i d was
w a s he
h e re-did
r e - d i d his
h i s hours
hours
16
Dugan,
22
a n d reconstructed
r e c o n s t r u c t e d it.
i t . And
A n d the
t h e only
o n l y communication
c o m m u n i c a t i o n II received
r e c e i v e d was
was
and
23
a n offer
o f f e r that
t h a t they
t h e y made
m a d e to
t o us.
us.
an
24
U m , aand
n d tthen
h e n tthe
h e final
f i n a l communication
c o m m u n i c a t i o n I received
r e c e i v e d was
was
Um,
25
ffrom
rom M
r. N
o r r i s tthat
h a t said,
s a i d , um,
u m , Ms.
M s . Gerber,
G e r b e r , file
f i l e any
a n y motion
m o t i o n that
that
Mr.
Norris
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
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1
y o u ffeel
e e l iiss aappropriate.
p p r o p r i a t e . Your
Y o u r advice
a d v i c e to
t o your
y o u r cclient
l i e n t to
t o date
d a t e has
has
you
b e e n so
s o ggood
o o d II'm
m ssure
u r e tthat
h a t he
h e will
w i l l be
b e happy
h a p p y tto
o ccontinue
o n t i n u e his
his
been
j o u r n e y . Um,
U m , sso...
o...
journey.
1923
THE C
OURT: W
h a t ddate
ate w
a s tthat?
hat?
THE
COURT:
What
was
th
MS. G
E R B E R : TThat's
h a t s July
J u l y 16
1 6 th,
, Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . And
A n d tthen...
hen...
MS.
GERBER:
THE
COURT:
tthat
was
Mr.
THE C
O U R T : TThat
h a t wwas
a s ffrom
rom
hat w
a s ffrom
rom M
r . Norris?
Norris?
MS. G
E R B E R : YYes,
e s , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , t hthat's
a t s ccorrect.
orrect.
MS.
GERBER:
T H E COURT:
C O U R T : Okay.
Ok a y.
THE
MS. G
E R B E R : AAnd
n d t hthe
e ee-mail
- m a i l bbefore
e f o r e tthat,
h a t , on
o n the
t h e same
same
MS.
GERBER:
10
d a y , was
w a s ffrom
rom M
r. D
u g a n ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t hhe
e hhad
a d rreconstructed
e c o n s t r u c t e d his
h i s time
time
day,
Mr.
Dugan
11
o n tthe
h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l case,
c a s e , and
a n d that
t h a t was
w a s July
J u l y 16th
1 6 t h when
w h e n II had
h a d filed
filed
on
12
my m
o t i o n ffor
o r ddiscovery
i s c o v e r y ttwo
w o ddays
a y s aafter
f t e r our
o u r sentencing.
s e n t e n c i n g . We
W e then
then
my
motion
13
r e c e i v e d ppayroll
a y r o l l rrecords
e c o r d s bbut
ut w
e ddidn't
i d n t receive
r e c e i v e all
a l l of
o f the
t h e records
records
received
we
14
t h a t we
w e requested,
r e q u e s t e d , so
s o I did
d i d tell
t e l l that
t h a t aa motion
m o t i o n to
t o compel
c o m p e l would
w o u l d be
be
that
15
ffiled;
i l e d ; and
a n d that's
t h a t s when
w h e n II received
r e c e i v e d that
t h a t very
v e r y professional
p r o f e s s i o n a l response
response
16
ffrom
rom M
r. N
orris. A
n d tthen
hen w
e rreceived
e c e i v e d tthe
h e rrest
e s t of
o f the
the
Mr.
Norris.
And
we
17
documentation.
documentation.
18
W h a t tthat
h a t llead
e a d uus
s tto
o was
w a s tto
o obtain
obtain a
a stack
s t a c k of
o f city
c i t y council
council
What
19
meeting m
i n u t e s , uum,
m , tthat
h a t were
w e r e never
n e v e r ddisclosed
i s c l o s e d to
t o us
u s that
t h a t would
would
meeting
minutes,
20
definitely
d e f i n i t e l y require
r e q u i r e Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a aand
n d II tto
o ffile
i l e aa motion
m o t i o n for
f o r new
n e w ttrial
rial
21
o r mistrial,
m i s t r i a l , or
o r II think
t h i n k we
w e would
w o u l d be
b e ineffective
i n e f f e c t i v e and
a n d not
n o t rendering
rendering
or
22
t h e assistance
a s s i s t a n c e of
o f counsel
c o u n s e l we
w e are
a r e honored
h o n o r e d to
t o do
d o so
s o and
a n d required
r e q u i r e d to
to
the
23
d o sso
o iin
n this
t h i s case.
c a s e . But
B u t II filed
f i l e d aa timely,
t i m e l y , II mean
m e a n within
w i t h i n aa day
d a y and
a n d aa
do
24
h a l f , aa discovery
d i s c o v e r y motion
m o t i o n when
w h e n tthey
h e y aasked
s k e d ffor
o r restitution
r e s t i t u t i o n because
because
half,
25
t h a t is
i s the
t h e first
f i r s t time
t i m e we
w e had
h a d learned
l e a r n e d oof
f iit.
t . And
A n d II ddidn't
i d n t get
g e t aa
that
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
1924
th
r e s p o n s e or
o r anything
a n y t h i n g until
u n t i l July
J u l y 16
1 6 th
a n d that
t h a t was
w a s just
j u s t saying
s a y i n g they
they
response
and
a m e n d e d iit
t aand
n d rreconstructed
e c o n s t r u c t e d iit.
t . And
A n d then
t h e n I indicated
i n d i c a t e d II was
w a s going
going
amended
t o file
f i l e aa motion
m o t i o n if
i f II didn't
d i d n treceive
r e c e i v ethe
t h edocuments
d o c u m e n t s we
w e requested
requested
to
a n d Mr.
Mr. N
o r r i s rresponded
e s p o n d e d iin
n tthat
h a t tone.
tone.
and
Norris
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d wwhen
h e n ddid
i d yyou
o u rreceive
e c e i v e tthe
h e documents?
documents?
THE
COURT:
MS. G
u d g e , i it's
t s not
n o t dated
d a t e d when
w h e n we
w e received
received
MS.
GERBER:
them. W
e v e ggot
o t ttwo
w o ddifferent
i f f e r e n t payroll
p a y r o l l records
r e c o r d s and
a n d I don't
d o n t know
know
them.
We've
w h i c h oones
nes w
e r e rreconstructed
e c o n s t r u c t e d and
a n d which
w h i c h oones
nes w
e r e n t because
because
which
were
weren't
they're
t h e y r e not
n o t in
i n here.
here.
10
MR. D
U G A N : UUm,
m , t hthe
e ppayroll
a y r o l l rrecords
e c o r d s tthat
h a t she
s h e has
has
MR.
DUGAN:
11
r e c e i v e d have
h a v e not
n o t been
b e e n altered
a l t e r e d or
o r changed
c h a n g e d from
f r o m the
the
from
f r o m what
what
received
12
t h e y were
w e r e when
w h e n they
t h e y were
w e r e submitted.
submitted.
they
13
THE C
O U R T : II jjust
ust w
a n t to
t o know
k n o w when.
when.
THE
COURT:
want
14
MR. D
U G A N : I Ibbelieve
e l i e v e t that
h a t II aauthorized
u t h o r i z e d tthem
h e m tto
o release
release
MR.
DUGAN:
15
16
17
18
th
th
t h o s e on
o n or
o r about
a b o u t the
t h e 16
1 6 th
o r 18
1 8 th
o f July.
J u l y . Um,
U m , as
a s um...
um...
those
or
of
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o M
s. G
e r b e r , do
d o you
y o u know
k n o w when
w h e n you
yo u
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber,
r e c e i v e d them?
them?
received
MS. G
E R B E R : UUh,
h , j judge
u d g e I I ttried
r i e d tto
o ask
a s k my
m y iinvestigator
nvestigator
MS.
GERBER:
19
t o d a y tto
o find
f i n d that
t h a t out;
o u t ; and
a n d Mr.
M r . Kiyuna
K i y u n a might
m i g h t be
b e able
a b l e to
t o assist
a s s i s t me
me
today
20
w i t h that,
t h a t , but
b u t we
w e received
r e c e i v e d two
t w o separate
s e p a r a t e billing
b i l l i n g records
r e c o r d s and
a n d we
we
with
21
d i d n t know
k n o w which
w h i c h one
o n e was
w a s rreconstructed
e c o n s t r u c t e d and
a n d which
w h i c h oone
ne w
asnt;
didn't
wasn't;
22
b u t there
t h e r e are
a r e two
t w o separate
s e p a r a t e records
r e c o r d s and
a n d they
t h e y were
w e r e the
t h e documents
documents
but
23
t h a t we
w e were
w e r e ccertainly
e r t a i n l y going
g o i n g tto
o include
i n c l u d e with
w i t h our
o u r motion,
m o t i o n , bbut...
ut...
that
24
25
THE C
O U R T : SSo,
o , i in
n eessence,
s s e n c e , yyou
o u rreceived
e c e i v e d them
t h e m about
a b o u t aa
THE
COURT:
m o n t h ago?
ago?
month
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
1925
MS.
GERBER:
Uh...
MS. G
ERBER: U
h...
th
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : TToday
o d a y iis
s tthe
h e 20
2 0 th
o f August.
August.
of
MS. G
E R B E R : WWell,
e l l , j judge,
u d g e , wwhat
h a t wwe're
e r e ttalking
a l k i n g about
a b o u t here
here
MS.
GERBER:
i s aa motion
m o t i o n for
f o r new
n e w trial
t r i a l based
b a s e d on
o n something
s o m e t h i n g we
w e learned
l e a r n e d from
f r o m the
the
is
d i s c o v e r y tthat
h a t was
w a s provided
p r o v i d e d to
t o us
u s in
i n August.
August.
discovery
THE
COURT:
Right.
THE C
OURT: R
ight.
MS.
M S . GERBER:
G E R B E R : OOr
r eend
n d oof
f JJuly.
u l y.
THE C
O U R T : NNo,
o , nnot
ot
e e d tto
o know
k n o w when
w h e n did
d i d you
you
THE
COURT:
II nneed
9
10
r e c e i v e that
t h a t information?
information?
receive
MS. G
ERBER: W
e l l , I I hhave
a v e ee-mails,
- m a i l s , tthe
h e oonly
n l y thing
t h i n g II have
have
MS.
GERBER:
Well,
11
th
a r e e-mails
e - m a i l s that
t h a t are
a r e dated
d a t e d July
J u l y 16
1 6 th.
. And
A n d aatt that
t h a t time
t i m e I told
t o l d them
them I
are
12
w o u l d rrequest
e q u e s t aand
n d ffile
i l e aa motion
m o t i o n to
t o compel
c o m p e l if
i f the
t h e documents
d o c u m e n t s were
were
would
13
n o t turned
t u r n e d over,
o v e r , including
i n c l u d i n g the
t h e payroll
p a y r o l l records.
r e c o r d s . Um,
U m , II don't
d o n t have
have
not
14
t h e exact
e x a c t date
d a t e for
f o r Your
Y o u r Honor
H o n o r bbut
u t II ccan
a n ccertainly
e r t a i n l y provide
p r o v i d e that
t h a t to
to
the
15
y o u . II'm
m not
n o t saying
s a y i n g that
t h a t we
we
we
w e llearned
e a r n e d oof
f it
i t and
a n d received
r e c e i v e d the
the
you.
16
p a y r o l l rrecords
e c o r d s ffar
a r ttoo
o o llate
a t e to
t o file
f i l e aa motion
m o t i o n for
f o r new
n e w ttrial,
r i a l , I'm
I m not
not
payroll
17
t r y i n g tto
o tell
t e l l the
t h e court
c o u r t that
t h a t at
a t all.
a l l . What
W h a t I'm
I m trying
t r y i n g to
t o say
s a y is
i s when
when
trying
18
w e ddid
i d rreceive
e c e i v e tthese
h e s e we
w e tthen
hen
t llead
e a d uus
s tto
o obtaining
o b t a i n i n g city
city
we
iit
19
c o u n c i l meeting
m e e t i n g minutes,
m i n u t e s , um,
u m , which...
which...
council
20
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d wwhen
h e n ddid
i d yyou
o u rreceive
e c e i v e those?
those?
THE
COURT:
21
MS. G
ERBER: M
y i investigator
nvestigator w
e n t ddown
o w n ppersonally
e r s o n a l l y and
and
MS.
GERBER:
My
went
22
h e s here.
h e r e . II asked
a s k e d him
h i m to
t o try
t r y and
a n d track
t r a c k the
t h e date
d a t e down
d o w n of
o f when
w h e n he
he
he's
23
r e c e i v e d those,
t h o s e , but
b u t they
t h e y go
g o back
b a c k from
f r o m April
A p r i l 4th,
4 t h , 2012
2 0 1 2 tto
o June
J u n e 4th,
4 th,
received
24
2014,
2 0 1 and
4 , a nhe
d hreceived
e r e c e i v e dthose
t h o s e
iti thasn't
h a s n tbeen
b e e n that
t h a t long;
l o n g ; um,
u m , iit's
ts
25
n o t been
b e e n weeks
w e e k s and
a n d weeks,
w e e k s , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor. M
r. K
i y u n a , II ddon't
o n t know
know
not
Mr.
Kiyuna,
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
i f he
h e ccan
a n sspeak
p e a k tto
o iitt but
b u t he
h e llooked
o o k e d aatt tthem
h e m llast
a s t night
n i g h t as
as a m
atter
if
matter
o f ffact.
a c t . Um,
U m , and
a n d tthen
h e n we
w e oordered
r d e r e d the
t h e audiotapes
a u d i o t a p e s so
s o we
w e could
c o u l d be
be
of
m o r e tthorough
h o r o u g h aand
n d tthe
h e ccity
i t y ccouncil
o u n c i l jjudge
u d g e iindicated
n d i c a t e d tthat
h a t they
they
more
w o u l d rrelease
e l e a s e those
t h o s e to
t o us
u s but
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i n Baker
B a k e r County,
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18
Oregon. I w
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Deputy
Oregon.
worked
19
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C o u n t y in
i n 1978.
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the
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20
e l e c t e d District
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t h e elected
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22
which
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2012 w
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d o rregular
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n 22012,
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m a n y hhours
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he
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1929
DUGAN, M. - D.
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i n d i c t m e n t in
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p u t in
i n a total
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4 9 5 hours
h o u r s in
i n 2012.
2012.
concluded
10
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n 22013,
013, w
h a t ccases
a s e s were
w e r e you
y o u pprimarily
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m y ooffice?
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13
i n i t i a l l y been
b e e n assigned
a s s i g n e d in
i n 2012,
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o f those
t h o s e resolved
r e s o l v e d in
i n 2012,
2012,
initially
14
s o m e oof
f tthem
h e m rresolved
e s o l v e d iin
n eearly
a r l y 2013.
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15
o n tthe
h e 445th
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a r a l l e l case
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m y primary
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on
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a s s i g n e d the
t h e DeFrank
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a g g r a v a t e d murder
m u r d e r case
c a s e in
i n February
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o f 2013.
2013.
assigned
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case
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early
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i n February
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t h a t we
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in
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20
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21
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22
o t h e r case
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23
w h i c h hhad,
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1 8 ccriminal
r i m i n a l ddefendants,
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which
24
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25
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W e l l , in
i n aaddition
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1 9 cases
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DUGAN, M. - D.
1930
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
w e r e eessentially
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c o n n e c t e d to
t o the
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n e x u s ooff tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel.
arallel.
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n tthe
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a r a l l e l , uh,
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w a s tthe
h e sspoke.
p o k e . So
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o u hhad
a d tto
o uunderstand
n d e r s t a n d the
t h e 45th
45th
everybody
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n tthe
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o n e ccase
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l l of
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w h o were
were
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e a c h of
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i n the
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a r a l l e l case
c a s e and
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t h e i r records
r e c o r d s were
w e r e also
also
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c o n t a i n e d , not
n o t only
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n tthe
h e 445th
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a r a l l e l offices,
o f f i c e s , but
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i n the
the
contained,
11
h o m e oof
fM
r . EEsbensen.
s b e n s e n . SSo
o llooking
o o k i n g tthrough
h r o u g h aall
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h o s e documents
documents
home
Mr.
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I hhad
a d tto
o llook
o o k tthrough
h r o u g h aall
l l of
o f those
t h o s e documents
d o c u m e n t s no
n o matter
m a t t e r what
what
13
criminal
c r i m i n a l defendant
d e f e n d a n t II was
w a s looking
l o o k i n g for
f o r or
o r llooking
o o k i n g aatt oorr ppreparing
reparing
14
ffor;
o r ; all
a l l of
o f the
t h e case
c a s e was
w a s one
o n e case;
c a s e ; everybody
e v e r y b o d y was
w a s sso
o ssimilarly
imilarly
15
situated.
situated.
16
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17
c e n t e r of
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t h e hub?
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18
19
P a r a l l e l , the
t h e primary
p r i m a r y man
m a n was
w a s William
W i l l i a m Esbensen;
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u h , he
h e seemed
s e e m e d to
to
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20
b e tthe
h e spokesperson,
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t o be
b e the
t h e idea
i d e a man,
m a n , he
h e seemed
s e e m e d to
to
be
21
b e eeverything
b o u t tthe
h e 445th
5th P
a r a l l e l . He
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c o n t r o l l e d the
t h e money,
m o n e y , he
he
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22
c o n t r o l l e d the
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c h e c k b o o k , he
h e ordered
ordered
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s s e n t i a l l y ordered
o r d e r e d people
people
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23
t o do
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24
25
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i g h t in
i n the
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w e r e . Uh,
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h e pprimary
r i m a r y ooperators
p e r a t o r s of
o f the
t h e 45th
45th
Yes,
U h , iin
n aaddition
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t o Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n , tthe
h e oother
t h e r primary
primary
Uh,
Esbensen,
o p e r a t o r s of
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l were
w e r e Scott
S c o t t Kangas,
K a n g a s , Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan,
Rhoan,
operators
DUGAN, M. - D.
1931
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
Kerry
Rhoan
Mark
Young.
were
Kerry R
h o a n aand
nd M
ark Y
o u n g . TThose
hose w
e r e tthe
h e ffive
i v e pprimary
r i m a r y ppeople
eople
involved
i n v o l v e d iin
n tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel.
arallel.
Q
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o n tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel?
arallel?
on
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c a s e , producing
p r o d u c i n g notebooks
n o t e b o o k s related
r e l a t e d to
t o each
e a c h defendant,
defendant,
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r e v i e w i n g aall
l l of
o f tthe
he m
a t e r i a l provided
p r o v i d e d in
i n discovery,
d i s c o v e r y , and
a n d continued
continued
reviewing
material
t o discuss
d i s c u s s resolutions
r e s o l u t i o n s of
o f the
t h e RICO
R I C O cases,
c a s e s , and
a n d I rreasonably
e a s o n a b l y spent
spent
to
5500
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n 22013
013 w
o r k i n g oon
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a r a l l e l ccase.
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10
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11
A n d dduring
u r i n g 2013,
2 0 1 3 , how
how m
a n y hhours
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2 0 1 3 II ddid
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w o r k on
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During
most
A n d 22013
0 1 3 (INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
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O U R T : 5500
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o u r s aatt $$35
3 5 aan
n hhour?
our?
THE
COURT:
12
Yes.
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13
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I ddon't
o n t know
k n o w I got
g o t that
t h a t on
o n the
t h e record,
r e c o r d , Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . Your
Your
14
r a t e of
o f pay
p a y had
h a d went
w e n t up
u p to
t o $35
$ 3 5 an
a n hour
h o u r in
i n 2013?
2013?
rate
15
16
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n hhour;
our; w
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17
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get.
defenders
18
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19
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2014
20
21
t h e motion
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n e ccase
a s e sscheduled
c h e d u l e d for
for
the
22
t r i a l , the
t h e Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n case,
c a s e , um,
u m , and
a n d that
t h a t was
w a s going
g o i n g to
to
that
t h a t was
was
trial,
23
e s s e n t i a l l y going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e tthe
h e ffirst
i r s t trial
t r i a l and
a n d then
t h e n all
a l l the
t h e other
other
essentially
24
r e m a i n i n g defendants,
d e f e n d a n t s , which
w h i c h included
i n c l u d e d the
t h e Swallows,
S w a l l o w s , Mitch
Mitch
remaining
25
R o w l a n d , Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , Kangas,
K a n g a s , um,
u m , and
a n d Kerry
Kerry R
hoan w
o u l d v e been
been
Rowland,
Rhoan
would've
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n JJanuary
a n u a r y of
o f 2013
2 0 1 3 tthe
h e ccounty
o u n t y increased
i n c r e a s e d my
m y rate
r a t e of
o f pay
p a y to
to
II gguess
u e s s II ddon't
o n t have
h a v e to
t o ask
a s k that
t h a t question.
q u e s t i o n . Can
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y o u go
g o to
to
W e l l iin
n 22014
014 w
e rreceived,
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a r l y iin
n 22014,
0 1 4 , tthe
h e rresults
e s u l t s of
of
Well
we
DUGAN, M. - D.
1932
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
s c h e d u l e d together.
t o g e t h e r . II started
s t a r t e d preparing
p r e p a r i n g the
t h e evidence
e v i d e n c e book
b o o k and,
a n d , uh,
uh,
scheduled
w e hhad
a d ssome
ome m
o r e hhearings,
e a r i n g s , uum,
m , aand
n d eeventually
v e n t u a l l y the
t h e Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan
Rhoan
we
more
c a s e got
g o t sset
e t first,
f i r s t , followed
f o l l o w e d by
b y the
t h e Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n case.
c a s e . Both
B o t h of
o f those
those
case
w e n t tto
o jjury
u r y ttrials.
r i a l s . Uh,
U h , and
a n d then
t h e n finally
f i n a l l y the
t h e Esbensen
E s b e n s e n and
a n d Kangas
Kangas
went
c a s e . And
A n d then
t h e n the
t h e Swallows,
S w a l l o w s , Dave
D a v e and
a n d Anne
Anne S
w a l l o w ccase,
a s e , were
were
case.
Swallow
s e v e r e d for
f o r the
t h e convenience
o f the
t h e parties
p a r t i e s in
i n terms
t e r m s of
o f how
h o w much
m u c h iitt
severed
c o s t their
t h e i r lawyers
l a w y e r s if
i f they
t h e y had
h a d to
t o sit
s i t through
t h r o u g h aa two
two w
e e k ttrial
rial
cost
week
v e r s u s if
i f four
f o u r criminal
c r i m i n a l defendants
d e f e n d a n t s were
w e r e in
i n it
i t verses
v e r s e s aa two
t w o or
o r three
three
versus
d a y ttrial
r i a l if
i f they
t h e y were
w e r e ttried
r i e d individually.
i n d i v i d u a l l y . So
S o Judge
J u d g e Sullivan
Sullivan
day
10
s e v e r e d them
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a n g a s ttrial.
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But
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Esbensen
Kangas
11
n o n e t h e l e s s , II had
h a d to
t o prepare
p r e p a r e those
t h o s e cases,
c a s e s , the
t h e RICO
R I C O ccases,
a s e s , for
for
nonetheless,
12
t h r e e separate
s e p a r a t e trials.
t r i a l s .And
A n d then
t h e n the
t h e trials
t r i a l s themselves
t h e m s e l v e s lasted
l a s t e d
the
the
three
13
ffirst
i r s t one
o n e was
w a s aa week,
w e e k , the
t h e second
s e c o n d one
o n e was
w a s a week,
w e e k , and
a n d then
t h e n the
the
14
E
s b e n s e n / K a n g a s one
o n e was
w a s two
t w o weeks.
weeks.
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15
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And w
hat w
e r e yyour
o u r ttotal
o t a l hours
h o u r s in
i n 2014?
2014?
And
what
were
16
U m , iin
n 22014,
0 1 4 , nnot
o t iincluding
n c l u d i n g the
t h e time
t i m e that
t h a t II have
h a v e spent
spent
Um,
17
r e c o n s t r u c t i n g the
t h e hours
h o u r s that
t h a t II billed
b i l l e d the
t h e county,
c o u n t y , and
a n d not
not
reconstructing
18
i n c l u d i n g the
t h e time
t i m e that
t h a t we're
w e r e here
h e r e today,
t o d a y , um,
u m , II have
h a v e spent
s p e n t 383.5
383.5
including
19
h o u r s in
i n 2014.
2014.
hours
20
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A n d aatt w
h a t rrate
a t e of
o f pay?
p a y?
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what
21
$ 3 5 aan
n hhour.
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22
Q
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o p e yyour
o u r mmath's
a t h s ccorrect.
o r r e c t . What
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r e yyour
o u r ttotal
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23
a t t o r n e y fees
f e e s on
o n the
t h e 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l case
c a s e from
f r o m 2012
2 0 1 2 tto
o tthe
h e ppresent?
resent?
attorney
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24
25
t h e $35
$ 3 5 an
a n hhour
o u r ttimes
i m e s the
t h e 500
5 0 0 in
i n 2013
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a n d tthe
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the
multiplying
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$ 2 5 an
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DUGAN, M. - D.
1933
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
c a m e uup
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$43,297.50.
$43,297.50.
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ffederal
e d e r a l grants
g r a n t s and
a n d determine
d e t e r m i n e what
w h a t yyour
o u r ooffice
f f i c e eexpenses,
x p e n s e s , eetcetera
tcetera
were?
were?
M a r i l e e Aldred,
A l d r e d , the
t h e office
o f f i c e staff
s t a f f assisted
a s s i s t e din
i nmany
m a n y ways
w a y s during
d u r i n g the
the
Marilee
a n d prosecution
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
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c a s e . Uh,
U h , they
they
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i n aaddition
d d i t i o n to
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u b p o e n a s ffor
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10
d a t e s , um,
u m , at
a t approximately
a p p r o x i m a t e l y two
t w o hours
h o u r s per
p e r time,
t i m e , uh,
u h , they
t h e y spent
s p e n t aa
dates,
11
t o t a l of
o f 10
1 0 hhours
o u r s tthere.
h e r e . Marilee
M a r i l e e Aldred
A l d r e d did
d i d tthat;
h a t ; she
s h e prepared
p r e p a r e d the
the
total
12
s u b p o e n a s . The
T h e ddiscovery
i s c o v e r y ppreparation,
r e p a r a t i o n , scanning
s c a n n i n g and
a n d documenting
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16
r e f i l i n g of
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a r a l l e l for
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18
p r o s e c u t i o n totaled
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19
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o f f i c e is
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23
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his
MR.
KIYUNA:
24
p a r t i c u l a r testimony.
t e s t i m o n y . We
W e don't
d o n t have
h a v e any
a n y foundation
f o u n d a t i o n or
o r documents
documents
particular
25
w i t h regard
r e g a r d to
t o any
a n y ooff w
hat M
r. D
u g a n s ttalking
a l k i n g about
a b o u t in
i n terms
t e r m s of
of
with
what
Mr.
Dugan's
DUGAN, M. - D.
1934
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
o f f i c e sspace,
p a c e , rrent...
ent...
office
THE C
O U R T : IIgguess
uess
u e s s I I'm
m ccurious,
u r i o u s , Mr.
M r . Dugan,
Dugan,
THE
COURT:
I Igguess
a r e you
y o u ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t ppart
a r t oof
f tthis
h i s pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n reimbursement
r e i m b u r s e m e n t that
that
are
y o u r e looking
l o o k i n g for
f o r is
i s reimbursement
r e i m b u r s e m e n t for
f o r the
t h e space
s p a c e also?
also?
you're
6
7
MR.
NORRIS:
And
may,
Your
Honor.
MR. N
ORRIS: A
n d iif
f II m
a y, Y
our H
o n o r . IIn
n aall
l l of
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our
ffederal
e d e r a l grants
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8
9
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THE C
O U R T : HHold
o l d oon,
n , hhold
o l d oon,
n , hold
h o l d on.
o n . How
H o w much
m u c h in
in
THE
COURT:
s p a c e rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n are
a r e you
y o u seeking?
seeking?
space
10
11
s h a r e , uh,
u h , in
i n accordance
a c c o r d a n c e with
w i t h the
t h e percentage
o f my
m y hours
h o u r s devoted
devoted
share,
12
t o the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o nwould
w o u l d be
b e roughly
r o u g h l y 47%
4 7 % of
o f in
i n 2012,
2012,
to
13
4 8 % iin
n 22013,
0 1 3 , aand
n d 227%
7 % iin
n 22014.
014. N
o w i if
f t the
h e aallocation
l l o c a t i o n per
p e r employee
e m p l o ye e
48%
Now
14
ffor
o r tthe
he D
o f f i c e approximately
a p p r o x i m a t e l y $3,471
$ 3 , 4 7 1 per
per
District
15
e m p l o ye e , m
y ppercentage
e r c e n t a g e oof
f tthat
h a t ffor
o r tthe
h e tthree
h r e e yyears
e a r s iis
s $$2,734.62.
2,734.62.
employee,
my
16
S
o $$2,734.62.
2,734.62.
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17
Uh, Y
our H
o n o r , tthe
he
h e aappropriate
p p r o p r i a t e aallocation
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o f my
my
Uh,
Your
Honor,
t the
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d ddid
i d yyou
o u aalso
l s o hhave
a v e aan
n aamount
m o u n t you
y o u were
were
THE
COURT:
18
s e e k i n g for
f o r the
t h e staff
s t a f f and
a n d the
t h e work
w o r k they
t h e y were
w e r e doing?
doing?
seeking
19
20
Yep. Y
es. T
h e sstaff
t a f f ccosts
osts w
e r e $$2,800.45.
2,800.45.
Yep.
Yes.
The
were
THE C
O U R T : NNo,
o , mmy
y qquestion
u e s t i o n iis,
s , II ggot
o t $$2,800.45.
2 , 8 0 0 . 4 5 . What
What
THE
COURT:
21
II'm
m looking
l o o k i n g for
f o r is
i s did
d i d you
y o u ccharge
h a r g e aanything
n y t h i n g ffor
o r sstaff
t a f f spacing?
spacing?
22
I ddid
i d nnot.
ot.
23
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
24
MR. N
ORRIS: W
e s should
h o u l d hhave
a v e bbut
u t wwe
e ddidn't.
idnt.
MR.
NORRIS:
We
25
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : SSo
o t hthis
i s i is
s $$2,734.62,
2 , 7 3 4 . 6 2 , eexcuse
xcuse m
e , $$2,734.62
2,734.62
THE
me,
DUGAN, M. - D.
1935
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
ffor
o r tthe
h e sspacing
p a c i n g ccost...
ost...
3
4
5
6
7
For
F o r me.
me.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....just
. j u s t ffor
o r yyour
o u r aalone...
lone...
THE
Yep.
Yep.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....which
. w h i c h yyou
o u aare
r e sseeking.
eeking. M
r. N
orris, I
THE
Mr.
Norris,
i n t e r r u p t e d you.
y o u . You
Y o u were
w e r e sstarting
t a r t i n g to
t o say
s a y something.
something.
interrupted
MR. N
O R R I S : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , aand
n d ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord
e c o r d tthe
h e rreason
eason
MR.
NORRIS:
t h a t s reasonable
r e a s o n a b l e is
i s all
a l lof
o f our
o u r federal
f e d e r a l grants
g r a n t s allow
a l l o w us
u s to
t o tack
t a c k on
on
that's
t h e rent,
r e n t , the
t h e equivalent
e q u i v a l e n t of
o f the
t h e rent
r e n t or
o r the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f maintaining
m a i n t a i n i n g the
the
the
10
s p a c e that
t h a t aa grant
g r a n t employee
e m p l o y e e uses;
u s e s ; as
a s well
w e l l as
a s the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f the
the
space
11
s u p p o r t staff.
s t a f f . You
Y o u know
k n o w iitt probably
p r o b a b l y would've
w o u l d v e become
become
support
12
u n m a n a g e a b l e tto
o ffigure
i g u r e oout
u t tthe
h e rrent
e n t ffor
o r tthe
h e ssupport
u p p o r t sstaff
t a f f for
f o r the
the
unmanageable
13
t i m e that
t h a t they
t h e y worked;
w o r k e d ; all
a l l Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n did
d i d is
i s get
g e t their
t h e i r hourly
h o u r l y wage
wage
time
14
ffor
o r the
t h e hours
h o u r s they
t h e y worked.
worked.
15
16
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Kiyuna,
were
making
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y. M
r. K
i y u n a , yyou
ou w
ere m
a k i n g an
an
o b j e c t i o n , go
g o ahead.
ahead.
objection,
17
MR. K
IYUNA: U
m , yyes
e s jjudge.
udge. I
yyou
o u kknow
n o w II'm
m
tthis
his
MR.
KIYUNA:
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18
e x p l a n a t i o n that
t h a t was
w a s just
j u s t given.
g i v e n . II mean
m e a n I still
still
II ddon't
ont
II ddon't
ont
explanation
19
s e e tthat
h a t any
a n y ooff tthose
h o s e ccosts
o s t s aare
r e rrelevant
e l e v a n t to
t o what
w h a t occurred
o c c u r r e d with
with
see
20
o f my
m y cclient,
l i e n t , Mr.
M r . Kangas.
K a n g a s . Um,
U m , II m
e a n wwe're
e r e ttalking
alking
prosecution
mean
21
a b o u t office
o f f i c e space
s p a c e and
a n d cost
c o s t per
p e r employee?
e m p l o y e e ? II ddon't
o n t see
s e e the
t h e nexus,
nexus,
about
22
j u d g e . Um,
U m , aand
n d aapparently
p p a r e n t l y tthere's
h e r e s no
no
no
n o rrental
e n t a l agreement
a g r e e m e n t or
or
judge.
23
a n y t h i n g . My
M y uunderstanding
n d e r s t a n d i n g iis
s bby
y sstatute
t a t u t e II tthink
h i n k tthe
h e sstate
t a t e has
h a s to
to
anything.
24
p r o v i d e aadequate
d e q u a t e ooffice
f f i c e sspace
p a c e ffor
o r tthe
he D
istrict A
office
provide
District
Attorney's
25
a n d tthat
hat
h a t ddoesn't
o e s n t seem
s e e m aappropriate
p p r o p r i a t e or
o r relevant
r e l e v a n t in
i n terms
t e r m s of
of
and
tthat
DUGAN, M. - D.
1936
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
2
3
4
5
any
a n y kkind
i n d oof...
f...
THE C
O U R T : I If
f IIccould
o u l d hhave
a v e yyou
o u sspeak
p e a k uup
p aal little
i t t l e bbit
it
THE
COURT:
b e c a u s e I'm
I m having
h a v i n g aa hard
h a r d time
t i m e hearing
h e a r i n g you.
yo u .
because
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : OOh,
h , s sorry.
o r r y . OOkay,
k a y , II'll
l l hold
h o l d this
this
hhold
o l d the
the
m i c uup
p hhere.
ere.
mic
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou.
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , wwell
e l l IIwwas
a s ssaying,
a y i n g , uum,
m , II ddon't
o n t see
see
MR.
KIYUNA:
w h a t tthe
he
h e nnexus
e x u s iis,
s, w
h a t tthe
h e cconnection
o n n e c t i o n is
i s between
b e t w e e n the
the
what
tthe
what
o f f i c e of
o f the
t h e District
A t t o r n e y who
w h o pprosecutes
r o s e c u t e s aall
l l ccriminal
r i m i n a l cases
cases
office
10
i n tthis
h i s county,
c o u n t y , um,
u m , has
h a s tto
o ddo
ow
i t h aa rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n amount
a m o u n t claimed
claimed
in
with
11
a g a i n s t my
m y cclient,
l i e n t , Mr.
M r . Kangas.
K a n g a s . And
A n d tthe
h e ccosts
o s t s per
p e r employee
e m p l o y e e and
a n d aall
ll
against
12
those
aall
l l tthose
h o s e tthings,
h i n g s , uum,
m , tthere
h e r e iisn't
s n t any
a n y kind
k i n d of
o f evidence
e v i d e n c e or
or
those
13
c l a i m II ddon't
ont
II ddon't
o n t tthink
h i n k tthere's
h e r e s aa claim
c l a i m that
t h a t the
t h e DA's
D A s office
office
claim
14
p a y s rrent
e n t ffor
o r their
t h e i r office
o f f i c e space
s p a c e and
a n d that
t h a t kind
k i n d of
o f thing.
t h i n g . My
My
pays
15
u n d e r s t a n d i n g was
w a s tthat
h a t bby
y sstatute,
tatute, O
r e g o n sstatute,
t a t u t e , tthe
he D
istrict
understanding
Oregon
District
16
o f f i c e is
i s provided
p r o v i d e d with
w i t h adequate
a d e q u a t e office
o f f i c e space
s p a c e by
b y the
the
Attorney's
17
c o u n t y oor
r sstate.
t a t e . And,
A n d , uum,
m , II ddon't
o n t kknow
n o w tthat
h a t tthere's
h e r e s any
a n y ddirect
i r e c t cost
cost
county
18
t o tthe
he D
A s ooffice
f f i c e ffor
o r tthat.
hat.
to
DA's
19
I f I'm
I m understanding
u n d e r s t a n d i n g this
t h i s correctly,
c o r r e c t l y ,what
w h a t Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n is
is
If
20
s a y i n g iiss tthat
h a t 10.5%
1 0 . 5 % oof
f tthe
h e ccounty,
o u n t y , tthe
h e ccourthouse
o u r t h o u s e ooffice
f f i c e space
s p a c e is
is
saying
21
o c c u p i e d by
b y tthe
h e ooffice
f f i c e of
o f the
t h e District
D i s t r i c t Attorney,
A t t o r n e y , and
a n d somehow
s o m e h o w that
that
occupied
22
they
t h e y come
c o m e uup
p w
i t h aa ccost
o s t aand
n d tthat
h a t sshould
h o u l d be
b e cclaimed
l a i m e d against
a g a i n s t my
my
with
23
c l i e n t for
f o r this
t h i s case.
c a s e . I'm
I m just
j u s t not
n o t seeing
s e e i n g the
t h e relevance
r e l e v a n c e there
t h e r e or
o r any
any
client
24
ffoundation
o u n d a t i o n tto
o aassert
s s e r t tthat.
hat.
25
THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
h a n k yyou.
ou. G
o aahead
head M
r. N
orris.
THE
COURT:
Go
Mr.
Norris.
DUGAN, M. - D.
1937
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
MR. N
O R R I S : OOkay.
k a y . SSo,
o , YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , wwe're
e r e aasking
s k i n g for
for
MR.
NORRIS:
a t t o r n e y fees,
f e e s , the
t h e cost
c o s t of
o f the
t h e support
s u p p o r t staff
s t a f f and
a n d the
t h e cost
c o s t of
of
attorney
m a i n t a i n i n g office
o f f i c e space
s p a c e for
f o r Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n s share;
s h a r e ; those
t h o s e are
a r e the
the
maintaining
Dugan's
t h r e e things
t h i n g s we're
w e r easking
a s k i n gyou
y o u for.
f o r .And
A n d II have
h a v e aa couple
c o u p l e more
more
three
q u e s t i o n s that
t h a t II need
n e e d to
t o ask
a s k Mr.
M r . Dugan.
Dugan.
questions
THE C
OURT: G
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
Go
Q
Q
W h a t iis
s tthe
h e ttotal
o t a l pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n ccosts,
o s t s , taking
t a k i n g tthe
h e aattorney
ttorney
What
ffees,
e e s , the
t h e support
s u p p o r t staff
s t a f f and
a n d the
t h e cost
c o s t for
f o r the
t h e space
s p a c e over
o v e r the
t h e three
three
y e a r s tthat
h a t you're
y o u r e claiming,
c l a i m i n g , Mr.
M r . Dugan?
Dugan?
years
10
T
h e ttotal
o t a l attorney
f e e s were
w e r e $43,297.50.
$ 4 3 , 2 9 7 . 5 0 . And
A n d tthe
h e sstaff
taff
The
11
c o s t s , $2,800.45.
$ 2 , 8 0 0 . 4 5 . And
A n d tthe
he m
u d g e t aallocation
l l o c a t i o n for
f o r the
the
costs,
maintenance
12
s p a c e for
f o r my
my
y s share
h a r e wwas
a s $$2,734.62
2 , 7 3 4 . 6 2 ffor
o r aat total
o t a l oof
f pprosecution
rosecution
space
mmy
13
c o s t s during
d u r i n g tthe
h e tthree
h r e e years
y e a r s ooff tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n of
of
costs
14
$48,832.57.
$48,832.57.
15
Q
Q
16
o t h e r co-defendants?
co-defendants?
other
17
18
p u r s u a n t to
t o the
t h e RICO
R I C O sstatute,
t a t u t e , to
t o rrepay
e p a y pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n costs.
c o s t s . Each
Each
pursuant
19
w e r e oordered
r d e r e d to
t o pay
p a y $$3,500
3 , 5 0 0 for
f o r a total
t o t a l of
o f $7,000.
$ 7 , 0 0 0 . Ann
A n n Swallow
Swallow
were
20
a g r e e d to
t o pay
p a y pprosecution
c o s t s as
a s part
p a r t of
o f her
h e r plea
p l e a agreement
agreement
agreed
21
$ 1 5 , 0 0 0 , and
a n d tthe
h e jjudgment
u d g m e n t llien
i e n has
h a s bbeen
e e n ffiled
i l e d with
w i t h the
t h e county
county
$15,000,
22
c l e r k against
a g a i n s t her
h e r property
p r o p e r t y which
w h i c h iiss ffor
o r ssale.
ale.
clerk
23
Q
Q
24
R h o a n s aand
nd M
s . SSwallow
w a l l o w iin
n tterms
e r m s oof
f tthe
h e aamount
m o u n t tthat
h a t tthey've
h e y v e been
been
Rhoans
Ms.
25
o r d e r e d to
t o pay?
p a y?
ordered
A n d oof
f tthat
h a t hhow
ow m
u c h hhas
a s bbeen
e e n oordered
r d e r e d oor
r ccollected
o l l e c t e d from
from
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much
K e r r y aand
nd K
elly R
h o a n hhave
a v e eeach
a c h bbeen
e e n oordered
r d e r e d to
t o pay,
p a y,
Kerry
Kelly
Rhoan
II w
a n t tto
o sstop
t o p yyou
o u tthere.
h e r e . Why
W h y tthe
h e ddifference
i f f e r e n c e between
b e t w e e n the
the
want
DUGAN, M. - D.
1938
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
W e l l , one
o n e ooff tthe
h e tthings
h i n g s that
t h a t we
w e ddid
i d iin
n oour
u r aanalysis
n a l y s i s of
of
Well,
w h a t fines
f i n e s to
t o impose
i m p o s e was
w a s to
t o look
l o o k at
a t how
h o w much
m u c h money
m o n e y eeach
a c h of
o f the
the
what
p l a y e r s received.
r e c e i v e d . Ann
A n n Swallow
S w a l l o w was
w a s a grower
g r o w e r who
w h o ssold
old m
arijuana
players
marijuana
t o the
t h e 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l and
a n d she
s h e sold
s o l d over
o v e r $30,000
$ 3 0 , 0 0 0 worth.
w o r t h . She
S h e rreceived
eceived
to
Parallel
o v e r $$30,000
3 0 , 0 0 0 iin
n cchecks
h e c k s ffrom
r o m tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l for
f o r her
her
hher
e r ccosts,
osts,
over
o r hher
e r marijuana.
m a r i j u a n a . So
S o we
w e imposed
i m p o s e d at
a t least
l e a s t aa 50%,
5 0 % , um,
u m , cost
c o s t on
o n her
h e r to
to
or
d o ttwo
w o tthings.
hings. O
n e , tto
o iimpress
m p r e s s uupon
p o n hher
e r tthat
h a t you
y o u ccan't
a n t make
m a k e aa
do
One,
p r o f i t by
b y ddoing
o i n g iillegal
l l e g a l acts;
a c t s ; and
a n d two,
t w o , uh,
u h , tthat
h a t you
y o u sshouldn't
h o u l d n t do
do
profit
i l l e g a l acts.
a c t s .Dave
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S w a l l o w was
w a s ordered
o r d e r e d to
t o pay
p a y $2,500
$ 2 , 5 0 0 and
a n d agreed
agreed
illegal
10
i n hhis
i s judgment
j u d g m e n t tto
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a y tthat
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s ccost
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r o s e c u t i o n because
b e c a u s e he
h e only
only
in
11
r e c e i v e d about
a b o u t $5,000,
$ 5 , 0 0 0 , or
o r a little
l i t t l e bit
b i t more,
m o r e , $5,500.
$ 5 , 5 0 0 .He
H e was
w a s aa
received
12
g r o w e r sselling
e l l i n g it
i t to
t o the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel,
P a r a l l e l ,um,
u m , he
h e and
a n d his
h i s wife
w i f e Ann
Ann
grower
13
S
w a l l o w hhad
a d bbuilt
u i l t tthis
h i s indoor
i n d o o r grow
g r o w ooperation
p e r a t i o n on
o n ttheir
h e i r farm
f a r m and
and
Swallow
14
t h e n he
h e and
and A
n n SSwallow
w a l l o w sseparated.
e p a r a t e d . They
They w
e r e ccurrently
u r r e n t l y in
i n the
the
then
Ann
were
15
i n tthe
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r nnot,
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IIddon't
16
i n tthe
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o f that.
t h a t . Um,
U m , so
s o I hhave
a v e ssubtracted
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t h e amount
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we
in
17
h a v e oordered
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o r received
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o t h e r RICO
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f r o m the
the
have
18
$48,000,
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w h i c h lleaves
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a bbalance
a l a n c e of
o f $$24,332.50.
2 4 , 3 3 2 . 5 0 . $24,332.57
$ 2 4 , 3 3 2 . 5 7 which
which
19
i s what
w h a t oour
u r pprosecution
c o s t s to
t o date
d a t e that
t h a t are
a r e unpaid
u n p a i d or
or
is
20
u n a c c o u n t e d ffor.
or.
unaccounted
21
Q
Q
22
w i t h Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n aand
nd M
r . KKangas,
a n g a s , iin
n pparticular,
a r t i c u l a r , can
c a n you
y o u ddescribe
escribe
with
Esbensen
Mr.
23
t h e i r role
r o l e in
i n this?
this?
their
24
25
ffathers
a t h e r s of
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h e 445th
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a n d Mr.
M r . Kangas
Kangas w
e r e bboth
o t h ffounding
ounding
Well,
were
DUGAN, M. - D.
1939
DUGAN, M. - D.
1
c o r p o r a t i o n , LLC,
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h a t tthey
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r e a t e d with
w i t h tthe
h e SSecretary
e c r e t a r y ooff SState.
tate.
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m , iin
n tterms
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u s i n e s s , Mr.
Mr.
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sbensen w
a s tthere
h e r e vvirtually
i r t u a l l y every
e v e r y day.
d a y . He
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Esbensen
was
c h e c k b o o k . Mr.
Mr. K
angas w
a s ooriginally
r i g i n a l l y aa ssigner
i g n e r oon
n tthe...
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was
THE
COURT:
I I'm
THE C
O U R T : IIt think
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o i n g tto
o sstop
t o p yyou
o u hhere.
ere. I
t h i n k I've
I v e heard
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t h i s testimony
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the
think
i n v o l v e m e n t of
o f tthe
h e pparties.
a r t i e s . Heard
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l o t of
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w i t h rregards
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t o tthat
h a t over
o v e r tthe
h e ddays
a y s oof
f tthe
h e ttrial.
r i a l . So,
S o , is
i s there
t h e r e anything
e l s e with
with
to
10
11
r e g a r d s to
t o these
t h e s e costs
c o s t s that
t h a t you
y o u wanted
w a n t e d to
t o ask
a s k Mr.
Mr. N
orris?
regards
Norris?
MR. N
O R R I S : YYour
o u r HHonor,
o n o r , aare
r e yyou
o u t ataking
k i n g j judicial
u d i c i a l nnotice
otice
MR.
NORRIS:
12
t h e n of
o f bbasically
a s i c a l l y the
t h e gist
g i s t of
o f the
t h e testimony
t e s t i m o n y II would
w o u l d deduce
d e d u c e would
would
then
13
b e tthat
h a t especially
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E s b e n s e n profited
p r o f i t e d far
f a r and
a n d away
a w a y ggreater
r e a t e r than
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14
a n y o n e eelse
l s e aand
n d hhad
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15
of
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THE C
O U R T : I Iaam
m g going
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k e j ujudicial
d i c i a l nnotice
o t i c e of
o f the
the
THE
COURT:
17
t e s t i m o n y that
t h a t I received
r e c e i v e d during
d u r i n g the
t h e time
t i m e ooff tthe
h e bbench
e n c h ttrial,
r i a l , yes.
ye s.
testimony
18
19
20
21
22
23
MR.
MR. N
NORRIS:
O R R I S : OOkay.
k a y . TThen
h e n I It hthink
i n k t that's
h a t s all
a l l II have
h a v e from
from
t h i s witness,
w i t n e s s , Your
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this
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : AAlright.
lright. M
Mr.
r. K
Kiyuna,
i y u n a , do
d o you
y o u have
h a v e any
any
q u e s t i o n s for
f o r Mr.
M r . Dugan?
Dugan?
questions
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
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MR.
KIYUNA:
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yo u .
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25
CROSS
EXAMINATION
BY M
R. K
IYUNA:
BY
MR.
KIYUNA:
1940
DUGAN, M. - X. (KIYUNA)
1
Q
Q
Um,
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e t s see,
s e e , well,
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M r . Dugan,
D u g a n , I gguess
u e s s II'm
m
II'm
m sstill
till
n o t cclear
l e a r with
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t o the,
t h e , um,
u m , tthe
h e ooffice
f f i c e rent
r e n t kind
k i n d of
of a
a tthing.
hing.
not
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e a n ddoes
o e s tthe
h e ooffice
f f i c e oof
f tthe
he D
A t t o r n e y pay
p a y rrent
e n t for
for
Um,
mean
District
t h e office
o f f i c e space
s p a c e that
t h a t it
i t has
h a s in
in
iin
n tthis
h i s ccourthouse?
ourthouse?
the
c o n s i d e r e d maintenance
m a i n t e n a n c e costs.
c o s t s . The
T h e county
c o u n t y has
h a s to
t o pay
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f o r the
the
considered
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f tthe
h e ooffice
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t s e l f ; uh,
u h , whether
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includes
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p l u m b i n g , eelectricity,
l e c t r i c i t y , um,
u m , the
t h e cleaning
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o f the
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the
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l l tthat
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i t s considered
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s iit's
ts
10
a l l o c a t e d on
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e a r l y bbasis
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o tthe
he D
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b u d g e t ; how
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11
m u c h oof
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o bbe
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12
m a i n t e n a n c e costs.
c o s t s . And
A n d that
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13
$ 2 55,0
, 0 77
11
t hthat
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a r g e d t otot hthe
e DDistrict
i s t r i c t AAttorney's,
t t o r n e y s , the
the
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14
m a i n t e n a n c e bbudget
u d g e t oof
f tthe
h e DDistrict
istrict A
f f i c e . The
The D
istrict
maintenance
Attorney's
District
15
o f f i c e consists
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o f 10.5%
1 0 . 5 % of
o f the
t h e total
t o t a l space
s p a c e of
o f the
the
Attorney's
16
c o u r t h o u s e . 10.5%
1 0 . 5 % ooff tthe
h e ttotal
o t a l space
s p a c e of
o f the
t h e courthouse,
c o u r t h o u s e , then
t h e n you
yo u
courthouse.
17
t a k e the
t h e $2
$ 2 5,0
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18
MR. K
IYUNA: W
a i t , I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o oobject
b j e c t tto
o tthis
his
MR.
KIYUNA:
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19
p a r t i c u l a r portion
p o r t i o n of
o f testimony
t e s t i m o n y as
a s non-responsive,
n o n - r e s p o n s i v e , judge.
j u d g e . II got
g o t to
to
particular
20
t a k e this
t h i s in
i n order
o r d e r or
or w
e r e going
g o i n g to
t o jjust
u s t be
b e hhere
e r e fforever.
orever.
take
we're
21
T H E CCOURT:
OURT: W
e l l , l look,
o o k , II tthink
h i n k tthe
h e ttestimony
e s t i m o n y has
h a s been
been
THE
Well,
22
q u i t e clear
c l e a r that
t h a t there
t h e r e is
i s an
a n amount
a m o u n t tthat
h a t tthe
h e sstate
t a t e is
i s seeking
s e e k i n g that
that
quite
23
d e a l s with
w i t h space.
s p a c e . And
A n d tthose
h o s e are
a r e costs
c o s t s that
t h a t somehow
s o m e h o w tthey've
h e y v e come
come
deals
24
up w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o sspace.
pace. U
m , tthe
h e jjustification
u s t i f i c a t i o n for
f o r that
t h a t or
o r the
the
up
with
Um,
25
e x p l a n a t i o n for
f o r that
t h a t is
i s simply
s i m p l y that.
t h a t . Now
N o w whether
w h e t h e r the
t h e court
court
explanation
1941
1
i n c l u d e s tthat
h a t into
i n t o tthe
h e ccosts,
o s t s , tthat'll
h a t l l be
b e another
a n o t h e r matter,
m a t t e r , but
b u t go
go
includes
a h e a d and
a n d aask
s k aanother
n o t h e r question
q u e s t i o n Mr.
M r . Kiyuna.
Ki yu n a .
ahead
3
4
MR. K
I Y U N A : OOkay.
k a y . UUh,
h , tthe
h e rreason
e a s o n I had
h a d tried
tried
I
MR.
KIYUNA:
s t o p p e d Mr.
Mr. D
u g a n tthere
h e r e iis
s bbecause
e c a u s e hhe
e w
as...
stopped
Dugan
was...
THE C
O U R T : CCan
a n II
a n IIhhave
a v e yyou
o u ddo
o ssomething
o m e t h i n g ffor
or a
THE
COURT:
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moment? M
s. G
e r b e r , iiff I could
c o u l d have
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y o u cchange
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s p o t s with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
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n d llet
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h i m gget
e t tto
o tthat
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him w
e l l ; and
and
Kiyuna
well;
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t s your
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u r n II'll
l l have
h a v e you
y o u change
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e a t s again.
again.
then
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MR.
M R . KIYUNA:
KIYUNA: O
Okay.
ka y.
10
THE C
OURT: W
e hhave
a v e t otot atake
k e aabbrief
r i e f rrecess
e c e s s ffor
o r jjust
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THE
COURT:
We
11
m i n u t e . I've
I v e got
g o t an
a n immediate
i m m e d i a t e danger
d a n g e r II need
n e e d to
t o give
g i v e some
some
minute.
12
g u i d a n c e to
t o my
m y sstaff
t a f f on.
on.
guidance
13
(RECESS)
(RECESS)
14
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y, M
r. K
i y u n a , ggo
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
Mr.
Kiyuna,
15
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , t thank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
udge.
MR.
KIYUNA:
16
Q
Q
L
e t s see,
s e e , uh,
u h , let's
l e t ssee,
s e e ,right.
r i g h t .We
W e were
w e r e talking
t a l k i n g about
about
Let's
17
m a i n t e n a n c e costs,
c o s t s , II think.
t h i n k . Um,
U m , Mr.
M r . Dugan,
D u g a n , yyou
o u iindicated
n d i c a t e d the
the
maintenance
18
A t t o r n e y s annual
a n n u a l budget
b u d g e t for
f o r maintenance
m a i n t e n a n c e costs
c o s t s is
is
District
19
$ 2 55,0
, 0 771 1,
, d do
o I Ih have
a v e t hthat
a t rright?
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$2
20
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h a t s correct.
correct.
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21
Q
Q
N o w tthat's
h a t s aa fixed
f i x e d cost
c o s t for
f o r that
t h a t
aa given
g i v e n year?
ye a r ?
Now
22
W e l l , I tthink
h i n k that
t h a t was
w a s the
t h e cost
c o s t that
t h a t was
w a s charged
c h a r g e d to
t o the
the
Well,
23
c o u n t yfor
f o rthe
t h year
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24
Q
Q
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a s tthat
hat
tthat
h a t figure
f i g u r efor
f o reach
e a c hyear,
y e a r $2
, $ 25,0
5 , 077 1?
1?
Um,
was
25
A g a i n , II bbelieve
e l i e v e that
t h a t was
w a s the
t h e figure
f i g u r e for
f o r the
t h e budget
b u d g e t year
ye a r
Again,
1942
1943
2 0 1 3 - 2 0 1 4 . I ddon't
o n t know
k n o w what
w h a t iitt w
a s ffor
o r eearlier
a r l i e r and
a n d I ddon't
o n t know
know
2013-2014.
was
w h a t iit's
t s going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e next
n e x t year.
ye a r.
what
Q
Q
th
U m , ooh
h ookay.
k a y . SSo,
o , f fiscal
i s c a l llike
i k e JJuly
u l y 1Pts t to
t o June
J u n e 30
3 0 th?
?
Urn,
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Correct.
Q
Q
O k a y. U
m , aand
n d tthat
hat m
a i n t e n a n c e cost
c o s t would
w o u l d be
b e the
t h e same
same
Okay.
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maintenance
r e g a r d l e s s of
o f how
how m
a n y ccases
a s e s tthe
h e ooffice
f f i c e oof
f the
t h e District
Attorney
regardless
many
p r o s e c u t e d , iisn't
s n t that
t h a t right?
right?
prosecuted,
Yes.
Yes.
Q
Q
S
o w
h e t h e r , urn,
u m , whether
w h e t h e r Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s was
w a s charged
c h a r g e d with
with
So
whether,
10
r a c k e t e e r i n g or
o r not
n o t this
t h i s fixed
f i x e d cost
c o s t would
w o u l d remain
r e m a i n the
t h e same
s a m e for
f o r that
that
racketeering
11
th
period
p e r i o d of
o f July
J u l y Pt,
1 s t , 2013
2 0 1 3 to
t o June
J u n e 30
3 0 th,
, 2014?
2014?
12
Correct.
Correct.
13
Q
Q
U m , nnow
o w yyou
o u iindicated,
n d i c a t e d , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , aa ccertain
e r t a i n number
n u m b e r of
of
Urn,
14
h o u r s for
f o r 2012,
2 0 1 2 , 2013,
2 0 1 3 , and
a n d 2014
2 0 1 4 and
a n d then
t h e n another
a n o t h e r breakdown
b r e a k d o w n as
a s to
to
hours
15
how m
a n y hhours
o u r s yyou
o u sspent
p e n t oon
n tthe
he
h a t s rreferred
e f e r r e d to
t o the
t h e 45th
45th
how
many
wwhat's
16
c a s e . Urn,
U m , do
d o you
y o u know
k n o w how
h o w many
m a n y ooff those
t h o s e hours
h o u r s were
were
Parallel
17
s p e n t on
o n Mr.
M r . Kangas?
Kangas?
spent
18
All
A l l of
o f them.
them.
19
Q
Q
Um...
Urn...
20
II can't
c a n t separate
separate
II could
c o u l d not
n o t separate
s e p a r a t e Kangas
K a n g a s from
from
21
E
s b e n s e n from
f r o m Swallow
S w a l l o w from
f r o m Rowland
R o w l a n d from
f r o m Rhoans.
R h o a n s . When
W h e n I was
was
Esbensen
22
d o i n g aany
n y oof
f tthe
h e cases
c a s e s it
i t was
w a s working
w o r k i n g oon
n aall
l l of
o f them
t h e m at
a t the
t h e same
same
doing
23
time.
time.
24
Q
Q
25
t h i n k you'd
y o u d indicated
i n d i c a t e d about
a b o u t $17,000
$ 1 7 , 0 0 0 worth
w o r t h of
o f your
y o u r time
t i m e on
on
think
And
A n d II tthink
h i n k II can't
c a n t find
f i n d the
t h e document
d o c u m e n t right
r i g h t now,
n o w , but
b u t II
1
r e s p o n d i n g to
to m
o t i o n s ffiled
i l e d by
b y ddefendants
e f e n d a n t s iin
n tthis
h i s case?
case?
responding
motions
v e r s u s ttrial
r i a l prep
p r e p versus
v e r s u s responses
r e s p o n s e s vversus
e r s u s rresearch.
esearch.
versus
Q
Q
h a v e , um,
u m , well
w e l l how
h o w ddo
o yyou
o u ccharge
h a r g e oon
n yyour
o u r sstaff
t a f f or
o r I sshould
h o u l d say
s a y the
the
have,
A t t o r n e y sstaff
s t a f fwith
w i t hregard
r e g a r dtot o
you
y o u said
s a i d two
t w o hours
hours
District
s u b p o e n a ppreparation
f o r a total
t o t a l of
o f 10
1 0 hours,
h o u r s , Marilee
M a r i l e e Aldred.
A l d r e d . Is
I s it
it
subpoena
is
i s there
t h e r e any
a n y documentation
d o c u m e n t a t i o n for
for
ffor
o r tthat
h a t amount
a m o u n t cclaimed?
laimed?
U m , II'm
m nnot
o t ssure
u r e that
t h a t I broke
b r o k e it
i t down
d o w n iinto,
n t o , um,
u m , motions
motions
Um,
U m , llet's
e t ssee.
s e e .Now
N o wdo
d oyou
y o uhave
h a v e
do
d o you
yo u
do
d o you
yo u
Um,
U m , II aasked
s k e d tthe
h e sstaff
t a f f tto
o pprovide
r o v i d e tto
o m
e ttheir
h e i r ttime
i m e tthat
hat
Um,
me
10
t h e y sspent
p e n t oon
n tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel.
a r a l l e l . Uh,
U h , these
t h e s e are
a r e the
t h e hours
h o u r s tthat
h a t they
they
they
11
p r o v i d e d to
t o me.
m e . IIn
n tterms
e r m s oof
f ddocumentation,
o c u m e n t a t i o n , is
i s there
t h e r e aa formal
formal
provided
12
w r i t t e n order
o r d e r or
o r ssomething?
omething? N
o , tthere's
h e r e s not.
not.
written
No,
13
Q
Q
14
t w o hhours
o u r s pper
e r ssubpoena
u b p o e n a ppreparation
f o r aa total
t o t a l of
o f 10
1 0 hours
h o u r s on
o n five
five
two
15
d i f f e r e n t trial
t r i a l dates,
d a t e s , right?
right?
different
16
17
t h a t we
w e hhad,
a d , uh,
uh, M
a r i l e e would
w o u l d hhave
a v e tto
o pprepare
r e p a r e the
t h e subpoenas
subpoenas
that
Marilee
18
a g a i n and
a n d aagain
g a i n aand
n d aagain,
g a i n , eeach
a c h ttime;
i m e ; aand
n d sshe'd
h e d have
h a v e tto
o ccall
all
again
19
p e o p l e and
a n d arrange
a r r a n g e for
f o r them
t h e m to
t o be
b e here,
h e r e , how
h o w to
t o get
g e t them
t h e m hhere,
ere,
people
20
w h a t ttime
i m e they
t h e y were
w e r e going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e hhere
e r e and
a n d then
t h e n get
g e t phone
p h o n e numbers
numbers
what
21
ffrom
rom m
e tto
o bbe
e aable
b l e tto
o ccall
a l l aand
n d ffollowup
o l l o w u p oon.
n. U
h , sso
o ffor
o r eevery
v e r y ttrial
rial
me
Uh,
22
d a t e that
t h a t we
w e ggot
o t sset,
et, w
h e t h e r iitt went
w e n t tto
o ttrial
r i a l or
o r not,
n o t , Marilee
M a r i l e e had
had
date
whether
23
t o spend
s p e n d aa m
i n i m u m oof
f ttwo
w o hhours
o u r s i in
n ppreparation
r e p a r a t i o n oof
f tthe
h e ttrial
rial
to
minimum
24
subpoenas.
subpoenas.
25
Q
Q
Oka y. B
e c a u s e you
y o u kknow
n o w yyou
o u hhave
a v e aasspecific
p e c i f i c cclaim
l a i m for
for
Okay.
Because
W e l l , yyes,
e s , tthat's
h a t s 10
1 0 hours
h o u r s because
b e c a u s e for
f o r eeach
a c h ttrial
r i a l date
date
Well,
O k a y . II ssee
e e bbecause
e c a u s e yyour
o u r sstatement
t a t e m e n t lliterally
i t e r a l l y says
s a y s two
two
Okay.
1944
1
h o u r s jjust
u s t for
f o r hher
e r ppreparing
r e p a r i n g aa ssubpoena;
u b p o e n a ; sso
o iit...
t...
hours
I t s not
n o t per
p e r subpoena,
s u b p o e n a , iit's
t s per
p e r case.
case.
It's
Q
Q
O k a y . Urn,
U m , nnow
o w ddo
o yyou
o u kknow
n o w iif
f
e l l yyour
o u r sstaff
taff
Okay.
wwell
m e m b e r s ccited
i t e d here,
h e r e , urn,
um, M
a r i l e e Aldred
A l d r e d on
o n tthe
h e ssubpoenas,
ubpoenas,
members
Marilee
d i s c o v e r y prep,
p r e p , Susan
S u s a n McAfee,
M c A f e e , computer
c o m p u t e r entry,
e n t r y , Cindy
C i n d y White,
White,
discovery
g r a n d jjury
u r y ppreparation
r e p a r a t i o n and
a n d refiling
r e f i l i n g of
o f negotiated
n e g o t i a t e d cases
c a s e s Jan
J a n McCue
McCue
grand
a n d Melanie
M e l a n i e Zimmer.
Z i m m e r . Urn,
U m , aare
r e tthey
h e y ppaid
a i d by
b y tthe
h e hour
h o u r or
o r paid
p a i d by
by
and
sa l a r y?
salary?
II bbelieve
e l i e v e tthat
h a t tthey're
h e y r e salaried
s a l a r i e d employees.
e m pl o ye e s.
10
Q
Q
U m , sso
o w
h e t h e r oorr nnot
o t tthe
he
m
y cclient
lient w
a s pprosecuted
r o s e c u t e d on
on
Urn,
whether
my
was
11
t h e charge
c h a r g e or
o r nnot
o t ttheir
h e i r salary
s a l a r y would
w o u l d be
b e tthe
h e ssame,
a m e , rright?
ight?
the
12
Correct.
Correct.
13
Q
Q
U m , nnow
o w yyou
o u i indicated,
n d i c a t e d , uurn,
m , rreimbursement
e i m b u r s e m e n t amounts
amounts
Urn,
14
t h e Rhoan
r o t h e r s , Kerry
K e r r y and
a n d Kelly,
K e l l y , Mr.
M r . and
a n d Mrs.
M r s . Swallow
S w a l l o w and
and
the
15
t h e r e saa claim
c l a i magainst
a g a i n s tMr.
M r .Esbensen
E s b e n s e nnow
n o wand
a n d Mr.
M r . Kangas.
K a n g a s . Urn,
Um,
there's
16
t h o s e are
a r e the
t h e oonly
n l y ddefendants
e f e n d a n t s tthat
h a t your
y o u r ooffice
f f i c e is
i s seeking
seeking
those
17
p r o s e c u t i o n reimbursement
r e i m b u r s e m e n t for?
for?
prosecution
18
Correct.
Correct.
19
Q
Q
U m , aand
n d tthose
hose
he R
h o a n bbrothers
r o t h e r s and
a n d Mr.
M r . and
a n d Mrs.
Mrs.
Urn,
tthe
Rhoan
20
S
w a l l o w , tthey
h e y sstipulated
t i p u l a t e d to
t o those
t h o s e amounts
a m o u n t s ooff pprosecution
c o s t s as
as
Swallow,
21
p a r t of
o f ttheir
h e i r ooverall
v e r a l l ssettlement
e t t l e m e n t aagreement,
g r e e m e n t , iisn't
s n t that
t h a t right?
right?
part
22
23
RICO.
RICO.
24
Q
Q
Right.
Right.
25
A n d tthat's
h a t s part
p a r t of
o f the
t h e sentence
s e n t e n c e that
t h a t was
w a s imposed
imposed
And
N o , tthe
he R
h o a n bbrothers
r o t h e r s were
w e r e both
b o t h convicted
c o n v i c t e d by
b y jury
j u r y of
of
No,
Rhoan
1945
1
( I N A U D I B L E ) pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n ccosts.
o s t s . And
A n d tthe
he S
w a l l o w s aagreed
g r e e d to
to
(INAUDIBLE)
Swallows
s t i p u l a t e to
t o pay
p a y prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o n costs
c o s t s as
a s part
p a r t of
o f their
t h e i r plea
p l e a agreement
agreement
stipulate
a n d rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n payable
p a y a b l e directly
d i r e c t l y to
t o the
t h e Deschutes
D e s c h u t e s County,
C o u n t y , or
or
and
e x c u s e me,
m e , to
t o Malheur
Malheur C
ounty D
i s t r i c t Attorney.
A t t o r n e y . Um,
U m , and
a n d so
s o while
while
excuse
County
District
t h o s e aaren't
r e n t RICO
R I C O ccases
a s e s tthat
h a t tthey
h e y ggot
o t cconvicted
o n v i c t e d oof,
f , II've
v e included
included
those
t h e m aas
s ppart
a r t ooff tthe
he R
I C O pprosecution
o s t s rreimbursement
eimbursement
them
RICO
(INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
Q
Q
a p o l o g i z e . They
They w
e n t tto
o jjury
u r y ttrial,
r i a l , eeach,
a c h , rright?
ight?
apologize.
went
Oka y. Y
e a h , II m
i s s p o k e oon
n tthe
he R
h o a n bbrothers,
rothers, I
Okay.
Yeah,
misspoke
Rhoan
10
Yep.
Yep.
11
Q
Q
12
R h o a n bbrothers
r o t h e r s of
o f about
a b o u t 200
2 0 0 eexhibits
x h i b i t s tthat
h a t you
y o u used
u s e d ffor
o r each
e a c h of
of
Rhoan
13
t h o s e ttrials,
r i a l s , right?
right?
those
14
Correct.
Correct.
15
Q
Q
A n d tthat
h a t ssame
a m e eexhibit
x h i b i t book
book w
a s uused
s e d ffor
o r tthe
h e bbench
e n c h ttrial
rial
And
was
16
o f Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n and
a n d Mr.
M r . Kangas?
Kangas?
of
Esbensen
17
18
and w
e pprepared
r e p a r e d aan
n eexhibit
x h i b i t bbook
o o k ffor
o r hhis
i s ttrial.
rial. U
h , iinvestigator
nvestigator
and
we
Uh,
19
Brad W
i l l i a m s aand
n d II pprepared
r e p a r e d tthat;
h a t ; made
m a d e oour
u r eevidence
v i d e n c e llist
i s t and
and
Brad
Williams
20
p r e p a r e d that
t h a t for
f o r the
t h e court.
c o u r t . Uh,
U h , tthat
h a t book
b o o k sstill
t i l l exists;
e x i s t s ; it
i t was
w a s not
not
prepared
21
t h e same
s a m e bbook
o o k tthat
hat w
a s iintroduced
n t r o d u c e d in
i n the
t h e Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n ttrial.
r i a l . We
We
the
was
22
w e hhad
a d tto
o rremake
e m a k e aa nnew
e w eexhibit
x h i b i t list
l i s t for
f o r Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n and
a n d we
w e had
had
we
23
a d d i t i o n a l exhibits
e x h i b i t s in
i n that
t h a tthat
t h a twere
w e r e not
n o t in
i n the
t h e Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan
R h o a n case
case
additional
24
b e c a u s e it
i t related
r e l a t e d directly
d i r e c t l yto
t o Kelly.
K e l l y . Uh,
U h , and
a n d then
t h e n the
t h e Esbensen
E s b e n s e n and
and
because
25
K a n g a s eexhibit
x h i b i t booklet
b o o k l e t was
was
aactually
c t u a l l y became
b e c a m e two
t w o bbooklets
o o k l e t s and
a n d it
it
Kangas
U m , nnow
o w tthe
he
o u hhad
a d aan
n eexhibit
x h i b i t bbook,
o o k , uuh,
h , ffor
o r the
the
Um,
yyou
No. E
a c h ooff tthe
h e Rhoan
Rhoan
he K
e r r y RRhoan
h o a n ttrial
rial w
a s ffirst
irst
No.
Each
tthe
Kerry
was
1946
1
was w
e l l oover
v e r 2200
0 0 eexhibits;
x h i b i t s ; II fforget
o r g e t the
t h e number
n u m b e r now,
n o w , but
b u t it
i t had
h a d aa
was
well
w h o l e bbunch
u n c h oof
f oother
t h e r ddifferent
i f f e r e n t things
t h i n g s related
r e l a t e d to
t o Kangas
K a n g a s and
and
whole
E
s b e n s e n sspecifically.
p e c i f i c a l l y.
Esbensen
Q
Q
m o m e n t aago
g o oorr ttwo
w o tthat
h a t Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
R h o a n and
a n d Kerry
Kerry R
hoan w
e r e llike
ike
moment
Rhoan
were
e m p l o y e e s of
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel,
P a r a l l e l ,um,
u m , group?
g r o u p ? Is
I s
do
d o I have
h a v e tthat
hat
employees
right?
right?
d i d n t have
h a v e any
a n y of
o f the
t h e indicia
i n d i c i a of
o f ownership
o w n e r s h i p per
p e r say.
s a y . They
T h e y were
were
didn't
O k a y. N
o w , uum,
m , yyou'd
o u d iindicated
n d i c a t e d tthat
h a t you
y o u rreferred
e f e r r e d aa
Okay.
Now,
W e l l , they
t h e y were
w e r e cconsidered
o n s i d e r e d owners
o w n e r s but
b u t they
t h e y were
were
Well,
10
e a c h paid,
p a i d ,started
s t a r t e dout
o u$2
t $5
2 500aaweek,
w e e k ,and
a n dthen
t h e n$3$ 30000 and
a n dthen
t h e n$5
$ 500 0 a
each
11
w e e k bby
yM
r . EEsbensen.
sbensen. U
m , aand
n d tthey
h e y kkind
i n d ooff w
o r k e d tthere
h e r e and
a n d did
did
week
Mr.
Um,
worked
12
t h a t sort
s o r t of
o f stuff,
s t u f f , but
b u t in
i n the
t h e scheme
s c h e m e of
o f things
t h i n g s from
f r o m the
t h e hub
h u b to
t o the
the
that
13
s p o k e s they
t h e y were
w e r e part
p a r t of
o f the
t h e hub
h u b but
b u t they
t h e y were
w e r e minor
m i n o r screws
s c r e w s in
in
spokes
14
t h a t hub
h u b as
a s oopposed
p p o s e d tto
o tthe
he m
a j o r aaxle.
xle.
that
major
15
Q
Q
16
with M
r. E
s b e n s e n aand
n d II tthink
h i n k ssomebody
o m e b o d y eelse,
l s e , ddidn't
i d n t they
they
with
Mr.
Esbensen
17
r e i n s t i t u t e the
t h e corporate
c o r p o r a t e status
s t a t u sof
o f the
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e lin
i n
with
w i t h the
the
reinstitute
18
C o r p o r a t i o n s Division,
D i v i s i o n , Secretary
S e c r e t a r y of
o f State
S t a t e for
f o r the
t h e state
s t a t e of
o f Oregon?
Oregon?
Corporations
19
20
Rhoan
R h o a n aand
nd W
William
i l l i a m EEsbensen
s b e n s e n rrenewed
e n e w e d ttheir
h e i r 445th
5 t h PParallel
arallel
21
documents w
i t h tthe
h e SSecretary
e c r e t a r y oof
f SState,
t a t e , Corporate
C o r p o r a t e Division.
D i v i s i o n . That
That
documents
with
22
h a d bbeen
e e n oordered
r d e r e d tto
o bbe
e cclosed
l o s e d bby
y tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t iin
n tthis
h i s ssentence.
entence.
had
23
Q
Q
24
o f tthat,
h a t , um,
u m , rreinstitution
e i n s t i t u t i o n of
o f tthe
h e ccorporation,
o r p o r a t i o n , right?
right?
of
25
Um, w
e l l nnow
o w ddidn't
i d n t both
b o t h ooff tthese
h e s e Rhoan
R h o a n bbrothers
r o t h e r s along
along
Um,
well
II bbelieve
e l i e v e that
t h a t they
t h e y did
d i d that
t h a t in
i n 2014,
2 0 1Kelly
4 , K e l lRhoan,
y R h o a n ,Kerry
Kerry
And M
r.
u s t sso
o wwe're
e r e cclear,
l e a r , Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s was
w a s nnot
o t ppart
art
And
Mr.
j just
T
h a t s correct.
c o r r e c t .By
B y mid
m i d to
t o late
l a t e 2013,
2 0 1if
3 , you
i f y o recall,
u r e c a l l ,Mr.
Mr.
That's
1947
1
K a n g a s hhad
a d aacquired
c q u i r e d aa jjob
o b aat
t aa rrock
o c k ccrushing
r u s h i n g ooutfit...
utfit...
Kangas
Q
Q
Right.
Right.
. . . a n d was
w a s pretty
p r e t t y much
m u c h working
w o r k i n g full-time
f u l l - t i m e as
a s aa
in
i n the
the
...and
r o c k ccrushing
r u s h i n g business
b u s i n e s s and
a n d only
o n l y coming
c o m i n g weekends
w e e k e n d s tto
o ccontinue
o n t i n u e to
to
rock
w o r k aatt tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel.
arallel.
work
6
7
MR. K
I Y U N A : OOkay,
k a y , t hthank
a n k yyou.
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MR.
KIYUNA:
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think
t h i n k II have
h a v e anymore
a n y m o r e qquestions
u e s t i o n s of
o f Mr.
M r . Dugan.
Dugan.
THE C
O U R T : TThank
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s. G
erber.
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
MR. K
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MR.
KIYUNA:
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10
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
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ou, Y
our H
onor, m
a y II pproceed?
roceed?
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor,
may
11
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : PPlease.
lease.
12
EXAMINATION
CROSS
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BY
MS.
GERBER:
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
14
Q
Q
15
ffrom
r o m tthe
h e ssheriff's
o f f i c e as
a s aa result
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o f your
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O R R I S : OObjection.
b j e c t i o n . Relevance
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MR.
NORRIS:
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t h e sheriff's
s h e r i f f soffice
o f f i c ehas
h a spaid
p a i dMr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n on
o n salary
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o f ccounty
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21
d e f e n d a n t s owe
o w e ffor
o r tthe
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f pprosecution.
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s . GGerber,
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h a t s tthe
h e rrelevance?
elevance?
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MS. G
E R B E R : WWell,
e l l , j judge,
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m ttrying
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o eestablish
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MS.
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ffact
a c t that
t h a t they're
t h e y r e claiming
c l a i m i n g aa specific
s p e c i f i camount
a m o u n t they
t h e y spent
s p e n t on
o n the
t h e 45th
45th
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a n d that
t h a t they
t h e y should
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b e reimbursed
r e i m b u r s e d that
t h a t amount.
a m o u n t . If
If
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1948
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1
t h e y v e already
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b e e n paid
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s p e a k , for
f o r lack
l a c k of
o f aa better
b e t t e r phrase.
p h r a s e . And
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double-dipping,
t h i n k II have
h a v e every
e v e r y right
r i g h t in
i n the
t h e world
w o r l d to
t o ask
a s k Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n and
a n d Mr.
Mr.
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e s called
c a l l e d as
a s aa witness,
w i t n e s s , how
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O U R T : OOkay,
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II'm
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THE
COURT:
t h i s go
g o for
f o r six
s i x more
m o r e weeks.
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Y o u can
c a n ask
a s k Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n aany
n y qquestion
uestion
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yo u w
a n t . II hhave
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k n o w aabout
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a k e aa rrecess,
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14
w e l l set
s e t this
t h i s up
u p later
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c a n be
b e there
t h e r e and
a n d take
t a k e a day
d a y tto
o llisten
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15
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t h i s stuff.
s t u f f . We
W e are
a r e in
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r e c e s s . But
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a s of
o f right
r i g h t now
n o w II will
w i l l make
make
to
16
t h i s clear.
c l e a r . II have
h a v e looked
l o o k e d at
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t h e motions,
m o t i o n s , II mean
m e a n the
t h e law
l a w with
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this
17
r e g a r d s to
t o mistrial.
m i s t r i a l . II do
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i m e l y.
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18
II'll
l l let
l e tyou
y o u file
f i l e anything
a n y t h i n g you
y o u want
w a n t to
t o with
w i t h regards
r e g a r d s to
t o it,
i t , but
b u t II
19
llooked
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h e sstatute
t a t u t e with
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t h i s , II looked
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t h e case
c a s e law
law
20
w i t h rregards
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any m
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with
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21
a p p r o p r i a t e . But
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22
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E R B E R : IIwwon't
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MS.
GERBER:
23
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O U R T : . ...I
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THE
COURT:
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24
s t a t e have
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i t n e s s e s aavailable
v a i l a b l e on
o n tthis.
h i s . We'll
W e l l be
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r e c e s s . II need
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25
t o ttalk
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h a r o n ; II'll
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c a l l . Thank
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e r e in
i n rrecess.
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to
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1
2
Bye .
Bye.
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
udge.
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Ra ym o n d S
c o t t Kangas,
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E s b e n s e n , case
c a s e number
n u m b e r 12-09-4824C.
12-09-4824C.
William
O k a y , tthese
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w o ccases
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a c h ddefendant
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a s these,
t h e s e , may
m a y be
b e aassessed
s s e s s e d to
t o the
the
costs
10
d e f e n d a n t s . During
D u r i n g that
t h a t hearing
h e a r i n g the
t h e court
c o u r t continued
c o n t i n u e d the
t h e matter
m a t t e r to
to
defendants.
11
t o d a y.
today.
12
A t tthe
h e pprevious
r e v i o u s hhearing
e a r i n g tthe
h e ffollowing
o l l o w i n g iissues
ssues w
e r e rraised.
aised.
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were
13
T
h e sstate
t a t e presented
p r e s e n t e d evidence
e v i d e n c e through
t h r o u g h the
t h e testimony
t e s t i m o n y of
o f Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan
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14
o f tthe
h e pprosecution
c o s t s incurred
i n c u r r e d by
b y tthe
h e sstate
t a t e iin
n pprosecuting
r o s e c u t i n g all
all
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15
d e f e n d a n t s involved
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16
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Mr. D
u g a n ttestified
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t e s t i f i e d that
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s t a f f costs
c o s t s and
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t h e 45th
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c a s e s and
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n aassessment
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prosecution.
prosecution.
22
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u g a n aalso
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j u d g m e n t ooff tthe
h e ccourt,
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Mr.
Dugan
23
a s s e s s i n g prosecution
c o s t s to
t o three
t h r e e defendants
d e f e n d a n t s involved
i n v o l v e d in
i n the
the
assessing
24
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e l cases;
c a s e s ; which
w h i c h were
w e r e the
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t w o Rhoan
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Anne
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25
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w a l l o w , and
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h o s e jjudgments
u d g m e n t s rreduced
e d u c e d the
t h e amount
a m o u n t of
of
Swallow,
RESTITUTION HEARING
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RESTITUTION HEARING
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c o s t s being
b e i n g sought
s o u g h t from
f r o m Mr.
M r . Kangas
K a n g a s and
a n d Mr.
Mr.
prosecution
E
sbensen.
Esbensen.
Mr. K
i y u n a , oon
n bbehalf
e h a l f of
o f Mr.
Mr. K
a n g a s , cross
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e x a m i n e d Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Kiyuna,
Kangas,
D u g a n aabout
b o u t tthe
h e pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n costs.
c o s t s . Ms.
M s . Gerber
G e r b e r was
w a s jjust
u s t bbeginning
eginning
Dugan
t o cross
c r o s s examine
e x a m i n e Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan w
h e n tthe
h e pprevious
r e v i o u s hhearing
e a r i n g ended
e n d e d and
and
to
when
w a s sset
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t o d a y.
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a n t tto
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a k e ssure
u r e II hhave
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h i s ccorrect.
o r r e c t . Ms.
M s . Gerber
Gerber
Iw
want
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r a i s e d the
t h e issue
i s s u e that
t h a t the
t h e state,
s t a t e , specifically
s p e c i f i c a l l ythe
t h e Malheur
County
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o f f i c e ,has
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c o s t s of
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c a s e s by
b y the
t h e Malheur
Malheur
prosecution
11
C o u n t y SSheriff's
h e r i f f s office.
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i n q u i r e into
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a n d oother
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16
c o s t s . Is
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prosecution
17
MS.
Yes.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: Y
es.
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raise.
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THE
RESTITUTION HEARING
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RESTITUTION HEARING
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MS.
GERBER:
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MS. G
ERBER: Y
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h e rrestitution
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h e a r i n g set
s e t for
f o r today.
t o d a y . And
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by
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f f i d a v i t from
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f a c t ,IIalmost
a l m o s t never
n e v e r wake
w a k e up
up
preparation
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a b o u t cases
c a s e s but
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11
c o s t s to
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d e f e n d a n t s convicted
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c a s e s is
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e x a m i n a t i o n into
i n t o those
t h o s e costs:
c o s t s : Mr.
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D u g a n s time,
t i m e , his
h i s rate
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o f pay,
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13
t h e sstaff
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c o s t s allocations,
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i s fair
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g a m e . Cross
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e x a m i n a t i o n into
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t h e prosecution
c o s t s previously
p r e v i o u s l y assessed
a s s e s s e d by
b y the
the
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15
c o u r t to
t o oother
t h e r 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l defendants,
d e f e n d a n t s , it's
i t sall
a l lso
s o(INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
court
Parallel
16
I n q u i r y iinto
nto w
h e t h e r tthe
h e ssheriff's
o f f i c e or
o r the
t h e Malheur
Malheur
Inquiry
whether
17
C o u n t y ccourt
o u r t oor
r ssome
o m e oother
t h e r eentity
n t i t y ppaid
a i d pportions
o r t i o n s ooff tthe
h e pprosecution
rosecution
County
18
c o s t s incurred
i n c u r r e d by
b y tthe
he M
a l h e u r CCounty
o u n t y DDistrict
istrict A
t t o r n e y s ooffice
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costs
Malheur
Attorney's
19
w h i l e the
t h e case
c a s e was
w a s bbeing
e i n g pprosecuted
r o s e c u t e d will
w i l l not
n o t be
b e allowed,
a l l o w e d , and
and
while
20
h e r e s why.
wh y.
here's
21
A s II tthought
h o u g h t aabout
b o u t tthis
h i s II llikened
i k e n e d iitt to
t o tthe
h e allowance
a l l o w a n c e of
of
As
22
r e i m b u r s e m e n t of
o f prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o ncosts
c o s t s
eexcuse
xcuse m
e . TThe
h e ccourt
o u r t llikens
ikens
reimbursement
me.
23
t h e allowance
o f rreimbursement
e i m b u r s e m e n t ooff pprosecution
c o s t s to
t o the
the
the
24
o f requiring
r e q u i r i n g an
a n adverse
a d v e r s e party
p a r t y to
t o pay
p a y tthe
h e aattorney
t t o r n e y fees
fees
allowance
25
a n d ccosts
o s t s ooff aa pprevailing
r e v a i l i n g pparty
a r t y iin
n aa ccivil
i v i l ccase.
ase.
and
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1953
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1
S
o llet's
e t s say
s a y that
t h a t plaintiff
p l a i n t i f f had
h a d to
t o pay
p a y a $10,000
$ 1 0 , 0 0 0 rretainer
etainer
So
ffor
o r his
h i s attorney
a t t o r n e y to
t o bring
b r i n g aa civil
c i v i l case.
c a s e . And
A n d he
h e borrows
b o r r o w s $2,000
$ 2 , 0 0 0 from
from
U n c l e Tim;
T i m ; his
h i s mom
m o m lloans
o a n s hhim
i m $$4,000
4 , 0 0 0 aand
n d hhe
e ttakes
a k e s out
o u t a ssecond
econd
Uncle
m o r t g a g e oon
n hhis
i s hhouse
o u s e ffor
o r tthe
h e rremaining
e m a i n i n g $$4,000.
4 , 0 0 0 . He
H e pprevails
r e v a i l s at
at
mortgage
t r i a l over
o v e r the
t h e two
t w o respondents
r e s p o n d e n t s and
a n d tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t aauthorizes
u t h o r i z e s the
the
trial
p a y m e n t ooff aattorney
t t o r n e y fees
fees
oor
r ttwo
w o ddefendants,
e f e n d a n t s , and
a n d tthe
h e court
court
payment
a u t h o r i z e s the
t h e payment
p a y m e n t ooff aattorney
t t o r n e y fees
f e e s and
a n d ccosts.
osts.
authorizes
8
9
W h a t hhappens
a p p e n s nnext
e x t iis
s tthe
h e pprevailing
r e v a i l i n g aattorney
t t o r n e y submits
s u b m i t s his
his
What
a t t o r n e y fee
f e e and
a n d costs
c o s t s pursuant
p u r s u a n t to
t o ORCP
O R C P 68
6 8 aand
n d aa hhearing
e a r i n g iiss held
held
attorney
10
t o determine
d e t e r m i n e what
w h a t amount
a m o u n t ooff aattorney
t t o r n e y fees
f e e s are
a r e to
t o be
b e assessed
a s s e s s e d to
to
to
11
the
t h e llosing
o s i n g pparties.
a r t i e s . The
T h e aattorney
t t o r n e y ffees
e e s aare
r e ggenerally,
e n e r a l l y , pprimarily,
rim a ri l y,
12
c a l c u l a t e d by
b y the
t h e attorney
a t t o r n e y fee
f e e per
p e r hour
h o u r and
a n d the
t h e amount
a m o u n t of
o f time
t i m e he
he
calculated
13
o r sshe
h e pputs
u t s iinto
n t o tthe
h e ccase.
ase.
or
14
W h a t ddoesn't
o e s n t come
c o m e iinto
n t o the
t h e equation
e q u a t i o n in
i n determining
d e t e r m i n i n g what
what
What
15
f e e s and
a n d costs
c o s t s are
a r e assessed
a s s e s s e d to
t o the
t h e losing
l o s i n g party
p a r t y is
i s whether,
whether,
attorney
16
w h i l e the
t h e case
c a s e was
w a s pproceeding
r o c e e d i n g fforward,
o r w a r d , tthe
h e pplaintiff
l a i n t i f f sold
s o l d his
h i s home
home
while
17
ffor
or a
a pprofit
r o f i t and
a n d paid
p a i d off
o f f his
h i s second
s e c o n d mortgage;
m o r t g a g e ; or
o r whether
w h e t h e r his
h i s mom
mom
18
d i e d and
a n d hhis
i s debt
d e b t of
o f $4,000
$ 4 , 0 0 0 was
w a s fforgiven
o r g i v e n in
i n the
t h e Will;
W i l l ; or
o r whether
whether
died
19
t h e Uncle
U n c l e has
h a s to
t o sue
s u e his
h i s nephew
n e p h e w to
t o go
g o tto
o ccourt
o u r t to
t o get
g e t the
t h e money
money
the
20
b a c k tthat
h a t he's
h e s owed.
o w e d . None
N o n e of
o f tthose
h o s e tthings
h i n g s are
a r e considered
c o n s i d e r e d in
i n the
the
back
21
a t t o r n e y ffee
e e ccalculations.
alculations.
attorney
22
Similarly,
County
S
i m i l a r l y , the
t h e Malheur
Malheur C
o f f i c e or
o r the
the
23
Malheur C
o u n t y ccourt,
o u r t , or
o r some
s o m e oother
t h e r eentity
n t i t y fronted
f r o n t e d money
m o n e y to
t o the
the
Malheur
County
24
Malheur C
o u n t y DDistrict
istrict A
o f f i c e in
i n the
t h e prosecution
of
Malheur
County
Attorney's
25
t h e 45th
45th P
a r a l l e l RICO
R I C O ccases.
a s e s . IItt ddoes
o e s nnot
o t aalter
l t e r tthe
h e ffact
a c t that
t h a t the
the
the
Parallel
RESTITUTION HEARING
1954
RESTITUTION HEARING
1
s t a t u t e allows
a l l o w s for
f o r the
t h e state
s t a t e to
t o recoup
r e c o u p the
t h e prosecution
c o s t s from
from
statute
t h e defendants.
d e f e n d a n t s . I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o allow
a l l o w inquiry
i n q u i r y into
i n t o the
t h e monies
m o n i e s that
that
the
m a y hhave
a v e bbeen
e e n pprovided
r o v i d e d tto
o tthe
h e DDA's
A s ooffice
f f i c e dduring
u r i n g tthe
h e pprosecution
rosecution
may
o f tthese
h e s e cases.
c a s e s . What
W h a t happens
h a p p e n s to
t o that
t h a t money,
m o n e y , as
a s far
f a r as
a s going
g o i n g back
back
of
t o tthe
h e oother
t h e r eentities,
n t i t i e s , is
is a
a ddifferent
i f f e r e n t issue.
issue.
to
l s o llikened
i k e n e d it
i t to
t o the
t h e fact
f a c t that
t h a t recently
r e c e n t l y II got
g o t into
i n t o aa car
car
I aalso
a c c i d e n t . Had
H a d aa young
y o u n g man
m a n back
b a c k into
i n t o my
m y car.
c a r . When
W h e n I cchecked
h e c k e d he
he
accident.
h a d aa
oone
n e oof
f tthose
h o s e iinsurance
n s u r a n c e ccompanies
o m p a n i e s that
t h a t give
g i v e a cheap
cheap
had
d i s c o u n t . And
A n d as
a s II went
w e n t and
a n d got
g o t my
m y eestimate
s t i m a t e from
f r o m the
t h e body
b o d y man
m a n he
he
discount.
10
s a i d , ooh,
o o h , he
h e ssaid
a i d they're
t h e y r e going
g o i n g to
t o want
w a n t to
t o replace
r e p l a c e your
y o u r parts
p a r t s with
with
said,
11
u s e d pparts.
a r t s . That's
T h a t s how
h o w they
t h e y ggive
i v e ccheaper
h e a p e r rrates.
a t e s . And
A n d II ddidn't
i d n t like
like
used
12
t h a t idea
i d e a and
a n d II spoke
s p o k e to
t o my
m y iinsurance
n s u r a n c e man
m a n aand
n d hhe
e ggoes,
o e s , aah,
h , ddon't
ont
that
13
w o r r y aabout
b o u t iit;
t ; we'll
w e l l fix
f i x iti tright
r i g h tand
a n dthen
t h e nwe
w e can
c a n always
a l w a y s go
g o back
back
worry
14
a n d hhave
a v e hhis
i s iinsurance
n s u r a n c e company
c o m p a n y pay.
p a y.
and
15
S
o , aagain,
g a i n , ultimately
u l t i m a t e l y iti tcomes
c o m e s back
b a c k to
t o the
t h e young
y o u n g man
m a n had
had
So,
16
t o pay
pay w
h e t h e r iitt got
g o t fronted
f r o n t e d by
b y my
m y iinsurance
n s u r a n c e company
c o m p a n y oorr jjust
ust
to
whether
17
p a i d by
b y hhis
i s ccompany.
o m p a n y . SSo
o w
e r e nnot
o t ggoing
o i n g tto
o ggo
o iinto
n t o tthat
h a t ppiece,
i e c e , but
but
paid
we're
18
I sshould
h o u l d have
h a v e Mr.
M r . ((sic)
s i c ) Gerber
G e r b e r on...Mr.
o n . . . M r . Dugan
D u g a n on
o n so
s o Ms.
M s . Gerber
Gerber
19
c a n ccross
r o s s eexamine
x a m i n e hhim
i m oon
n tthe
h e iissues
s s u e s tthat
h a t II've
v e allowed.
a l l o w e d . And
A n d then
then
can
20
a f t e r w a r d s we
w e can
c a n ttake
a k e up
u p hher
er m
o t i o n ffor
or m
i s t r i a l . So,
S o , Mr.
M r . Dugan.
Dugan.
afterwards
motion
mistrial.
21
22
23
24
25
MR. D
U G A N : IIaam
m oonline.
n l i n e . TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
o n o r , ffor
or
MR.
DUGAN:
Your
Honor,
lletting
e t t i n g me
m e appear
a p p e a r this
t h i s way.
wa y.
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , sso
o bbefore
e f o r e II hhave
a v e yyou
o u ddo
o t that,
h a t , iis
s tthere
here
THE
COURT:
a n y t h i n g ffrom
r o m tthe
h e sstate?
tate?
anything
MR. N
O R R I S : IIhhave
a v e nnot
o t sseen
e e n aa m
o t i o n ffor
o r aa m
i s t r i a l so
so I
MR.
NORRIS:
motion
mistrial
RESTITUTION HEARING
1955
RESTITUTION HEARING
1
d o n t know
k n o w what
w h a t tthe
h e bbasis
a s i s is
i s at
a t this
t h i s point,
p o i n t , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
don't
THE
COURT:
Okay.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , tthis
h i s iis
s ggoing
o i n g tto
o bbe
e aa qquick
u i c k ooral
ral
MS.
GERBER:
m o t i o n . I tthink
h i n k you've
y o u v e indicated
i n d i c a t e d how
h o w you
y o u feel
f e e l about
a b o u t it.
i t . II was
was
motion.
g o i n g tto
o ppresent
r e s e n t oone
n e tthing
h i n g aand
n d tthat's
h a t s it,
i t , but
b u t it's
i t sgoing
g o i n g to
t o be
b e aa very
very
going
quick
q u i c k ooral
r a l motion.
motion.
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y. M
Mr.
r . KKiyuna,
i y u n a , aanything
n y t h i n g eelse
l s e from
f r o m you?
yo u ?
MR. K
I Y U N A : UUm,
m , nno
o j judge,
u d g e , tthank
h a n k you.
yo u .
MR.
KIYUNA:
THE
THE C
COURT:
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , MMr.
r . DDugan,
u g a n , i fifyyou'd
o u d rraise
a i s e yyour
o u r rright
ight
10
hand.
hand.
11
SWORN)
(WITNESS
12
THE C
OURT: W
o u l d yyou
o u pplease
l e a s e sstate
t a t e yyour
o u r ffull
u l l name,
name,
THE
COURT:
Would
13
s p e l l your
y o u r last
l a s t name
n a m e ffor
o r tthe
h e rrecord?
ecord?
spell
14
MR. D
UGAN: M
ichael M
r. K
a n g a s . Dugan,
D u g a n , D-U-G-A-N.
D-U-G-A-N.
MR.
DUGAN:
Michael
Mr.
Kangas.
15
THE
COURT:
Ms.
Gerber.
THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
h a n k yyou.
ou. M
s. G
erber.
16
MS. G
E R B E R : UUh,
h , j judge,
u d g e , bbefore
efore w
e bbegin,
e g i n , if
i f I may
m a y jjust
ust
MS.
GERBER:
we
17
r e a l quickly,
q u i c k l y , II need
n e e d to
to m
a k e tthis
h i s sso
o II'm
m nnot
o t iineffective
n e f f e c t i v e in
i n terms
t e r m s of
of
real
make
18
p o s t - c o n v i c t i o n relief
r e l i e f and
a n d offer
offer a
a pproof
r o o f oon
n tthat
h a t ssheriff's
office
post-conviction
19
issue.
issue.
20
THE C
OURT: G
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
Go
21
MS. G
E R B E R : UUm,
m , ookay
k a y t hthank
a n k yyou;
o u ; I Iaappreciate
p p r e c i a t e iit.
t. I
MS.
GERBER:
22
w o u l d jjust
u s t say
s a y tthat
h a t we
w e oobject
b j e c t tto
o nnot
o t aallowing
l l o w i n g us
u s tto
o gget
e t iinto
n t o tthat
hat
would
23
a s p e c t ooff iit.
t . I uunderstand
n d e r s t a n d tthe
h e ccourt's
o u r t s ruling,
r u l i n g , but
b u t for
f o r aappellate
ppellate
aspect
24
c o u r t purposes
p u r p o s e s I tthink,
h i n k , you
y o u kknow,
n o w , tthe
he D
A t t o r n e y hhimself
imself
court
District
25
o p e n e d the
t h e door
d o o r when
w h e n hhe
e aappeared
p p e a r e d bbefore
e f o r e the
t h e County
C o u n t y Council
C o u n c i l and
and
opened
RESTITUTION HEARING
1956
RESTITUTION HEARING
1
t a l k e d about
a b o u t money
m o n e y bbeing
e i n g ttransferred
r a n s f e r r e d from
f r o m them
t h e m to
t o him
h i m and
a n d they
they
talked
a l s o , I think,
t h i n k , opened
o p e n e d the
t h e door
d o o r tto
o tthat
h a t type
t y p e ooff qquestioning
u e s t i o n i n g iin
n ttheir
heir
also,
memorandum w
h e n tthey
h e y ddiscussed
i s c u s s e d aall
l l ooff tthat,
h a t , um,
um,
sentencing
when
w h i c h is
i s aa part
p a r t of
o f where
w h e r e approximately
a p p r o x i m a t e l y$4
$ 40,0
0 , 000 0
0 w
a s ggiven
i v e n from
from
which
was
t h e m tto
o tthe
he D
A s ooffice
f f i c e out
o u t of
o f Mr.
Mr. E
s b e n s e n s money.
m o n e y.
them
DA's
Esbensen's
A n d aat
t tthat
h a t ppoint
o i n t II tthink
h i n k uunder
n d e r tthe
h e sstatute
t a t u t e it
i t says
s a y s that
that
And
y o u ccan
a n ccertainly
e r t a i n l y aattempt
t t e m p t to
t o recoup
r e c o u p costs
c o s t s regarding
the
you
a n d prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o n as
a s long
l o n g as
a s iit's
t s reasonable.
r e a s o n a b l e .You
Y o u know
know
investigation
if
i f they're
t h e y r e receiving
r e c e i v i n gmoney
m o n e y from
f r o m one
o n e party
p a r t y and
a n d then
t h e n getting
g e t t i n g money
money
10
ffrom
r o m oother
t h e r pparties
a r t i e s tthey're
h e y r e making
m a k i n g aa pprofit
r o f i t aand
n d tthat's
h a t s not
not
11
r e a s o n a b l e costs.
c o s t s . And
A n d that's
t h a t s the
t h e only
o n l y reason
r e a s o n we
w e were
w e r e attempting
a t t e m p t i n g to
to
reasonable
12
o p e n tthe
h e door
d o o r to
t o that.
t h a t . And
A n d I think
t h i n k they
t h e y opened
o p e n e d the
t h e door
d o o r simply
s i m p l y by
by
open
13
by
b y bbringing
r i n g i n g iitt uup
p aatt tthe
h e ccity
i t y ccouncil
ouncil m
e e t i n g s , county
c o u n t y ccouncil
ouncil
meetings,
14
m e e t i n g s and
a n d aatt
n ttheir
h e i r ssentencing
m e m o r a n d u m iitself.
tself.
meetings
iin
15
16
THE
COURT:
Go
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . TThank
h a n k yyou.
ou. G
o aahead,
h e a d , you
y o u can
can
q u e s t i o n Mr.
M r . Dugan.
Dugan.
question
17
MS.
GERBER:
Thank
MS. G
ERBER: T
h a n k yyou.
ou.
18
MICHAEL
M I C H A E L DUGAN,
DUGAN,
19
a w
i t n e s s ccalled
a l l e d oon
n bbehalf
e h a l f oof
f tthe
h e PPetitioner,
h a v i n g been
b e e n ffirst
i r s t duly
duly
a
witness
20
s w o r n bby
y tthe
he C
l e r k oof
f tthe
he C
ourt, w
a s eexamined
x a m i n e d aand
n d ttestified
e s t i f i e d on
o n his
his
sworn
Clerk
Court,
was
21
o a t h as
a s ffollows:
ollows:
oath
22
CROSS
EXAMINATION
23
BY M
S. G
ERBER:
BY
MS.
GERBER:
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now?
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Mr.
Dugan,
where
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II'm
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i n Bend,
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Oregon.
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d i d things.
t h i n g s . You
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t a r t e d with
w i t h August,
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t h a t you
yo u
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h o u r s ffor
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o t a l prosecution
c o s t s of
o f $12,500?
$12,500?
hours
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a n d 495
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w o r k i n g on
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t h e 45th
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than
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h a v e been
b e e n at
a t $25
$ 2 5 per
p e r hour.
hour.
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i n d i c a t e d you
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g o t aa rraise,
a i s e , I believe,
b e l i e v e , to
t o $35
$ 3 5 per
p e r hour?
hour?
indicated
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Oka y. A
n d iitt iindicates
n d i c a t e s in
i n your
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s e n t e n c i n g memo
m e m o that
t h a t you
yo u
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s p e n t 500
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accurate?
accurate?
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a n d ssome
o m e oof
f tthe
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a s e s that
t h a t II had
had
DeFrank
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p r e v i o u s l y been
b e e n assigned
a s s i g n e d in
i n 2013
2 0 1 3 resolved
r e s o l v e d
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m e a n 2012
2012
previously
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r e s o l v e d , so
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m o s t of
o f 2013
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o n l y had
h a d two
t w o oopen
p e n ccases;
ases;
resolved,
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t w o oopen
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n 22012
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e l i e v e I sspent
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a g g r a v a t e d murder
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l l oof
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h e 445th
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o t oof
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h e 445th
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a r a l l e l case,
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u m , and
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have
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work
c o n c l u d e d that
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s p e n t roughly
r o u g h l y500
5 0 0 hhours
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w o r k i n g on
o n tthe
h e case
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in
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three-day
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t h e Rhoan
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Kerry
Kerry R
h o a n aand...
nd...
p r e p a r e d for
f o r two
t w o trials:
t r i a l s : the
t h e Kelly
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w h i c h had
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h e 445th
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t h a you
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w a s the
the
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m o t i o n to
t o sever
s e v e r that
t h a t II had
h a d filed
f i l e d regarding
r e g a r d i n g Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan.
R h o a n . Uh,
U h , and
and
motion
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t h e n Kelly
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h o a n , eexcuse
xcuse m
e. K
e r r y RRhoan's
h o a n s aattorney
t t o r n e y announced
announced
then
Rhoan,
me.
Kerry
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t o Judge
J u d g e Sullivan
S u l l i v a n that
t h a t his
h i s wife
w i f e was
w a s pregnant
p r e g n a n t and
a n d he
h e would
w o u l d not
n o t be
be
to
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able
a b l e to
t o participate
p a r t i c i p a t e in
i n any
a n y trials
t r i a l sin
i nMay
M a y or
o r June,
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u m , or
o r April
A p r i l or
or
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n d sso
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u d g e SSullivan
u l l i v a n pput
u t hhis
i s ttrial
r i a l in
i n April,
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or A
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May;
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n M
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a s aactually
c t u a l l y ssevered
evered
March.
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which
was
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b e c a u s e his
h i s wife
w i f e was
w a s ppregnant;
r e g n a n t ; it
i t had
h a d nothing
n o t h i n g to
t o do
d o with
w i t h tthe
h e court
court
because
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c a s e or
o r llaw,
a w , and
a n d sso
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i n March.
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p r i l . Each
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t h o s e cases
c a s e s last
l a s t aa week
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n ttrial;
r i a l ; both
b o t h to
t o juries.
j u r i e s .And
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t h e n in
i n May
May
those
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w e sstarted
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t h e remaining
r e m a i n i n g RICO
R I C O ccases;
a s e s ; and
a n d bby
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s b e n s e n and
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a n g a s , aas
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u d g e SSullivan
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s e v e r e d from
f r o m them
them
Esbensen
Kangas,
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ffor
o r convenience
o f paying
p a y i n g aattorney
t t o r n e y fees,
f e e s , the
t h e Swallows.
S w a l l o w s . So
S o tthat
hat
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w a s aa ffourth
o u r t h ttrial
r i a l that
t h a t I would've
w o u l d v e had
h a d to
t o prepare
p r e p a r e for
f o r as
a s well.
well.
was
1959
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a n t tto
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a c k oover,
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yo u r
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s e n t e n c i n g memorandum.
m e m o r a n d u m . IItt ssays
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h a t rregarding
e g a r d i n g State
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v . Kerry
Kerry
sentencing
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and Y
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o n o r , II've
v e ssubmitted
u b m i t t e d eexhibit
x h i b i t 200,
2 0 0 , tthat's
h a t s the
the
Rhoan,
Your
Honor,
s e n t e n c i n g memorandum;
m e m o r a n d u m ; II've
v e pplaced
l a c e d iitt up
u p oon
n tthe
h e ccourt's
o u r t s bench
bench
sentencing
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and...
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e g yyour
o u r ppardon?
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Y o u r ssentencing
e n t e n c i n g memorandum,
m e m o r a n d u m , I was
w a s jjust
u s t going
g o i n g to
t o review
review
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i t real
r e a l quickly
q u i c k l y regarding
r e g a r d i n g that
t h a t issue
i s s u e in
i n 2014.
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4 .says
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s h e r ethat
t h a tyou
you
it
d i d aa ttrial
r i a l preparation
p r e p a r a t i o n and
a n d trial
t r i a l took
t o o k approximately
7 5 hours
h o u r s of
of
did
10
y o u r ttime
i m e oon
n tthe
he K
e r r y RRhoan
h o a n ttrial.
r i a l . Um,
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a i d tthat
h a t yyou'd
oud
your
Kerry
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r e a s o n a b l y spent
s p e n t approximately
1 0 0 hhours
o u r s aat
t tthat
h a t ppoint.
o i n t . II'm
m
reasonably
12
a s s u m i n g tthat's
h a t s for
f o r both
b o t h Rhoan
R h o a n ttrials
r i a l s then?
then?
assuming
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14
two R
h o a n t trials.
r i a l s . IIt's
t s not
n o t like
l i k e you
y o u ccan
a n jjust
u s t pprepare
r e p a r e iit,
t , go
g o tto
o ttrial,
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two
Rhoan
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a n d tthen
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t a r t aa month
m o n t h llater
a t e r without
w i t h o u t doing
d o i n g any
a n y ppreparations.
r e p a r a t i o n s . We
We
and
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h a d tto
o pprepare
repare a
a w
h o l e nnew
e w ttrial
r i a l eevidence
v i d e n c e bbook,
o o k , aan
n eexhibits
x h i b i t s book,
book,
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whole
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s o m e ooff w
h i c h cchanged;
h a n g e d ; ssome
o m e oof
f tthe
h e eexhibits
x h i b i t s for
f o r Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan
R h o a n were
were
some
which
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g i v e n to
t o Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan,
R h o a n , some
s o m e ooff tthe
h e pphotos
h o t o s we
w e hhad
a d tto
o iintroduce
ntroduce
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w e r e ddifferent.
i f f e r e n t . Um,
U m , there
t h e r e was
w a s ddifferent
i f f e r e n t witnesses
w i t n e s s e s that
t h a t we
w e had
h a d to
to
were
20
p r e p a r e . Uh,
U h , so
s o iitt wasn't
w a s n t exactly
e x a c t l y the
t h e same
s a m e in
i n every
e v e r y ccase.
ase.
prepare.
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m e m o r a n d u m tthat
h a t the
t h e total
t o t a lcosts
c o s t sfor
f o rthose
t h o s ewere
w e r e$3,5
$ 3 , 500O.
0 . And
A n d tthen
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memorandum
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yo u
o u ggo
o oon
n aand
n d yyou
o u mmention
ention M
r . EEsbensen's
s b e n s e n s case
c a s e and
a n d you
y o u say
say
you
yyou
Mr.
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t h a t you
y o u put
p u t in
i n 170
1 7 0 hhours
o u r s ffor
o r tthat,
h a t , uum,
m , ttwo
wo w
e e k bbench
e n c h ttrial.
r i a l . Is
Is
that
week
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t h a t right?
right?
that
W e l l II hhad
a d tto
o rre-prepare
e - p r e p a r e aa case
c a s e for
for
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n d yyou
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a v e ddown
o w n hhere
e r e iin
n yyour
o u r ssentencing
entencing
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h a t s correct.
correct.
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o , uum,
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o u r e telling
t e l l i n gus
u sthat
t h a tyou
y o uspent
s p e n t170
1 7 0 hours
h o u r s on
o n Mr.
Mr.
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s b e n s e n s case,
c a s e , without
w i t h o u t aa jury,
j u r y , after
a f t e r having
h a v i n g the
t h e case
c a s e for
f o r three
three
Esbensen's
y e a r s aand
n d ttwo
w o pprior
r i o r jjury
u r y ttrials?
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years
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m o r e ccomplicated
o m p l i c a t e d aand
n d ddifferent.
i f f e r e n t . It
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r e q u i r e d the
t h e establishment
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o f ssome
o m e ttrial
r i a l notebooks
n o t e b o o k s and
a n d some
s o m e eevidence
v i d e n c e nnotebooks.
o t e b o o k s . I think
t h i n k in
in
of
t h a t particular
p a r t i c u l a r case
c a s e there
t h e r ewere
w e r e over
o v e r 220
2 2 0 eexhibits;
x h i b i t s ; that
t h a t took
t o o k two
two
that
c o m p l e t e notebooks.
n o t e b o o k s . In
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( I N A U D I B LE ) when
w h e n I work
w o r k at
a t the
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complete
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Mr.
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nnot
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o f f i c e , and
a n d during
d u r i n g trial,
t r i a l , uh,
u h , it's
i t snot
n o tunusual
u n u s u a lfor
f o rme
m e to
t o be
b e at
a t the
the
office,
12
o f f i c e before
b e f o r e 6:00
6 : 0 0 AM
AM w
o r k i n g oon
n tthe
h e ccase
a s e aand
n d nnot
o t lleave
e a v e uuntil
ntil
office
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66:00
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: 0 0 aatt nnight.
i g h t . It's
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p r e t t ycommon
c o m m o n for
f o r me
m e to
t o put
p u t in
i n 10
1 0 or
o r 12
12
14
h o u r ddays,
a y s , llonger
o n g e r dduring
u r i n g ttrials.
r i a l s . Uh,
U h , so
s o II'm
m pretty
p r e t t y convinced
c o n v i n c e d that
that
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s p e n t in
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t h e Kangas
K a n g a s aand
n d EEsbensen
s b e n s e n ttrial.
rial.
spent
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E
s b e n s e n / K a n g a s ttrial,
r i a l , is
i s that
t h a t the
t h e same
s a m e trial
t r i a l notebook
n o t e b o o k you
y o u used
used
Esbensen/Kangas
19
ffor
o r tthe
h e oother
t h e r ttrials?
rials?
20
No.
No.
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C a n yyou
o u ttell
e l l this
t h i s court
c o u r t how
h o w much
m u c h less
l e s s work
w o r k you
y o u had
h a d to
t o do
do
Can
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b e c a u s e it
i t wasn't
w a s n t aa jury
j u r y trial?
t r i a l ? II mean
m e a n you
y o u didn't
d i d n t have
h a v e to
t o do
d o any
any
because
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v o i r dire
d i r e or
o r aanything
n y t h i n g llike,
i k e , did
d i d you,
yo u , w
ith M
r . EEsbensen's
s b e n s e n s case?
case?
voir
with
Mr.
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25
a jjury
u r y ttrial.
r i a l . And
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Judge B
a x t e r was
w a s tthe
h e jjudge
u d g e tthat
h a t ttried
r i e d the
t h e nonnona
Baxter
A n d tthe
h e ttrial
r i a l notebook
n o t e b o o k you
y o u pprepared
r e p a r e d for
f o r the
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h e ccourt
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knows w
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n bbetween
e t w e e n aa jjudge
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r i a l and
and
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what
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j u r y trial;
t r i a l ; but
b u t it
i t still
s t i l ltook
t o o ktwo
t w o weeks.
w e e k s . Urn,
U m , sso
o II ddon't
o n t really
r e a l l y see
s e e as
as
jury
h o w iitt w
a s aany
n y lless
e s s ccomplicated
o m p l i c a t e d oorr lless
e s s ttime
ime w
i t h o u t a jjury
u r y tthan
h a n it
it
how
was
without
was w
i t h aa jjury.
u r y . Urn...
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with
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d o c u m e n t a r y eexhibits
x h i b i t s to
t o submit
s u b m i t to
t o tthe
h e ccourt
o u r t aabout
bout w
h a t aadditional
dditional
documentary
what
e x h i b i t s you
y o u had
h a d to
t o use
u s e for
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t h e evidence
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11
t h a t the
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i n the
t h e DA's
DAs
where
15
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c o n s i d e r a b l y long
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p e r employee.
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24
t h a t by
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t h e cost
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$2,500
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1963
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yo u
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h a v e hhad
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11
p l e a d i n g to
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c o m p e n s a t o r y ffines
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t h r o u g h the
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q u e s t i o n is:
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c a s e , um,
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21
p l e a agreements
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s e n t that
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plea
22
a n d ssent
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h e ssheriff's
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office?
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23
24
p e r s o n pleads
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c o s t s . Uh,
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o t h e r individuals
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d i d do,
d o , on
o n my
my
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heriffs
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i n v e s t i g a t i o n ; and
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s e l l i n g marijuana
m a r i j u a n a to
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t h e 45th
45th
sellers
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s o m e didn't
d i d n t sell
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l o t ;some
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a g r e e m e n t tthat
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14
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15
t o ooffer
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people?
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decisions.
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e c a l l Ryan
Rya n L
o w e aas
s oone
n e oof
f tthe
h e ppeople
e o p l e tthat
h a t was
was
Do
Lowe
20
i n v o l v e d iin
n tthis
h i s case?
case?
involved
21
Iw
as w
hat?
was
what?
22
Q
Q
Do
II'm
maybe
my
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m ssorry,
o r r y, m
a yb e m
y mmicrophone's
i c r o p h o n e s not
n o t working
working
23
w e l l . But
B u t do
d o you
y o u remember
r e m e m b e r Ryan
R y a n Lowe?
Lo w e ?
well.
24
U h , yyes.
es.
Uh,
25
Q
Q
O k a y . And
A n d ddo
o yyou
o u rremember,
e m e m b e r , um,
u m , how
h o w much
m u c h money
m o n e y was
was
Okay.
1966
1
seized
s e i z e d from
f r o m his
h i s home?
home?
U h , ddo
o II rremember
e m e m b e r ooff
f f hand?
h a n d ? No,
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o nnot.
ot.
Uh,
Q
Q
O k a y. A
n d hhave
a v e yyou
o u ssubmitted
u b m i t t e d aany
n y ddocumentation
o c u m e n t a t i o n or
or
Okay.
And
e x h i b i t s or
o r anything,
a n y t h i n g , um,
u m , tally
t a l l y figures,
f i g u r e s , whatever
w h a t e v e r it
i t may
m a y be
b e tto
o tthis
his
exhibits
c o u r t to
t o prove
p r o v e what
w h a t you're
y o u r e saying
s a y i n g regarding
r e g a r d i n ghow
h o w much
m u c h time
t i m e you
yo u
court
s p e n t on
o n tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel
a r a l l e l case?
case?
spent
8
9
(INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWell,
e l l , hhold
o l d oon.
n. M
s . GGerber,
e r b e r , hhe
e hhas
a s t testified.
estified.
THE
Ms.
T
h a t s what
w h a t II have
h a v e received.
r e c e i v e d .IIhave
h a v e not
n o t in
i n any
a n y of
o f the
the
in
i n the
the
That's
10
h e a r i n g last
l a s t week
w e e k tthere
h e r e was
w a s nno
o eexhibit
x h i b i t ppresented
r e s e n t e d to
t o tthe
h e ccourt,
o u r t , so
so
hearing
11
a s k aanother
n o t h e r qquestion
u e s t i o n bbecause
e c a u s e tthat
hat
t h a t s just
j u s t not
n o t one
o n e of
o f tthe
h e ffacts
acts
ask
that's
12
t h a t have
h a v e bbeen
e e n ppresented.
r e s e n t e d . IIt's
t s either
e i t h e r going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e an
a n exhibit
e x h i b i t or
or
that
13
t e s t i m o n y , and
a n d we
we w
e r e aall
l l ppresent;
r e s e n t ; there
t h e r e was
w a s nno
o eexhibit
x h i b i t tto
o tthis
his
testimony,
were
14
e f f e c t . Mr.
M r . Dugan
Dugan w
a s pput
u t uunder
n d e r ooath,
a t h , hhe
e wwas
a s t etestified,
s t i f i e d , hhe's
es
effect.
was
15
t e s t i f y i n g today,
t o d a y , so
s o rephrase
r e p h r a s e your
y o u r question
q u e s t i o n or
o r ask
a s k another
another
testifying
16
question.
question.
17
A n d II'm
m aalso
l s o jjust
u s t going
g o i n g tto
om
e n t i o n II bbelieve
e l i e v e tthe
h e rreal
eal
And
mention
18
ffocus
o c u s oon
n w
h a t II iindicated
n d i c a t e d bbeforehand
e f o r e h a n d iis
s tthe
h e sstate
t a t e iindicated
n d i c a t e d they
they
what
19
w e r e going
g o i n g to
t o be
b e seeking
s e e k i n g$2
$ 24,3
4 , 333 22.5
. 5 77 ffrom
rom M
r. K
a n g a s , Mr.
Mr.
were
Mr.
Kangas,
20
E
s b e n s e n . And
A n d they
t h e y testified
t e s t i f i e dabout
a b o u tthe
t h e$4
$ 48,83
8,832
2 oorr ssuch
u c h tthat
h a t he
h e had
had
Esbensen.
21
t e s t i f i e dto
t ofor
f o rtotal
t o t a l
oh,
o h ,excuse
e x c u s eme,
m e ,$4
$ 48,83
8 , 8 3 2.5
2 . 5 77 oor
r tthereabouts
hereabouts
testified
22
t h a t they
t h e y talked
t a l k e d about
a b o u t in
i n the
t h e very
v e r y bbeginning.
eginning.
that
23
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o have
have
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o ssustain
u s t a i n oobjections
bjections
I'm
II'm
24
i f we
w e sstart
t a r t going
g o i n g into
into
yyou've
o u v e already
a l r e a d y presented
p r e s e n t e dyour
y o u r
your
yo u r
if
25
q u e s t i o n and
a n d got
g o t testimony
t e s t i m o n y with
w i t h regards
r e g a r d s to
t o the
t h e fact
f a c t that
t h a t he
h e made
made
question
1967
1
p l e a agreements
agreements w
i t h oother
t h e r pparties,
a r t i e s , other
o t h e r defendants,
d e f e n d a n t s , that
t h a t allowed
allowed
plea
with
ffor
o r aa ccompensatory
o m p e n s a t o r y ffine
i n e tto
o tthe
h e ssheriff's
o f f i c e along
a l o n g with
w i t h ffines
ines
p a i d tto
o tthe
h e ccourt.
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n d hhe's
e s ttestified
e s t i f i e d to
t o the
t h e reduction
r e d u c t i o n of
o f the
the
paid
And
a m o u n t s hhe's
e s seen
s e e n for
f o r these
t h e s e costs
c o s t s from
f r o m the
t h e Rhoan
R h o a n brothers
b r o t h e r s and
a n d Ms.
Ms.
amounts
S
wallow. A
n d sso
o wwe're
e r e ggoing
o i n g tto
o kkeep
e e p iit
t iin
n tthat
h a t vvein;
ein; w
e r e not
not
Swallow.
And
we're
g o i n g tto
o ggo
o iin
n aand
n d ttalk
a l k aabout
bout w
h a t oother
ther m
o n i e s aand
n d eeverything
ve ryt h i n g
going
what
monies
e l s e that's
t h a t s seized,
s e i z e d , I'm
I mnot
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o allow
a l l o w that
t h a t for
f o r the
t h e reason
reason I
else
s t a t e d in
i n the
t h e beginning.
b e g i n n i n g . So
S o go
g o aahead
h e a d aand
n d aask
s k aanother
uestion.
stated
Q
Q
10
Um, w
e r e yyou
o u aable
b l e tto
o ttrace
r a c e aall
l l of
o f the
t h e money
m o n e y that
t h a t was
was
Um,
were
s e i z e d in
in M
r . EEsbensen's
s b e n s e n s house
h o u s e tto
o tthe
h e 445th
5 t h PParallel?
arallel?
seized
Mr.
11
MR. N
O R R I S : OObjection,
b j e c t i o n , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
MR.
NORRIS:
12
THE C
ustained.
THE
COURT:
13
Q
Q
14
ffrom...
rom...
15
D i d yyou
o u rreceive
e c e i v e any
a n y ooff tthat
h a t money
m o n e y tthat
h a t was
w a s sseized
eized
Did
MR.
NORRIS:
Your
Honor.
Your
Honor,
MR. N
O R R I S : OObjection
bjection Y
our H
onor. Y
our H
o n o r , iiff any
any
16
m o n e y ccoming
o m i n g f from
r o m a af oforfeiture
r f e i t u r e i is
s sseparate
e p a r a t e aand
n d ddistinct,
i s t i n c t , oonce
n c e iit's
ts
money
17
fforfeited
o r f e i t e d it
i t belongs
b e l o n g s to
t o the
t h e seizing
s e i z i n g agency.
a g e n c y . Mr.
M r . Benson
B e n s o n (sic)
( s i c ) has
h a s no
no
18
c l a i m to
t o that
t h a t money.
m o n e y.
claim
19
20
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , hhe
e ddismissed
ismissed C
o u n t 119,
9 , tthat
h a t was
was
MS.
GERBER:
Count
t h e only
o n l y forfeiture
f o r f e i t u r eand
a n dthat
t h a involved
t involvea
d $1
a $ 15,0
5 , 000O...
0...
the
21
22
23
24
25
THE C
O U R T : I Inneed
e e d yyou
o u t otos speak
p e a k uup
p bbecause
e c a u s e IIccan't
a n t hear
hear
THE
COURT:
yo u .
you.
MS. G
E R B E R : II'm
m ssorry,
o r r y , ppeople
e o p l e keep
k e e p reminding
r e m i n d i n g me
m e of
of
MS.
GERBER:
that,
t h a t , I'm
I m sorry,
s o r r y , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
THE C
OURT: O
k a y.
THE
COURT:
Okay.
1968
1
MS. G
E R B E R : IIbbelieve
elieve C
o u n t 119
9 w
a s ddismissed
i s m i s s e d aatt the
the
MS.
GERBER:
Count
was
e n d of
o f the
t h e trial
t r i a lby
b yMr.
M r .Dugan
D u g a nand
a n dthat
t h a twas
w a s$1
$ 15,0
5 , 00
0 00 tthat
hat w
a s oout
u t of
of
end
was
t h e 45th
4 5 t h Parallel
P a r a l l e lbank
b a n kaccount.
a c c o u n t The
. T h e$5
$ 53,0
3 , 000 00 tthat
hat w
a s ttaken
a k e n from
from
the
was
h i s home
h o m e iis
sw
h a t II w
a s qquestioning
u e s t i o n i n g aabout.
bout.
his
what
was
5
6
MR. N
O R R I S : AAnd
n d i it
t hhas
a s nno
o r relevance
e l e v a n c e tto
o tthis
his m
a t t e r ; we
we
MR.
NORRIS:
matter;
d i d n t forfeit
f o r f e i t iit.
t.
didn't
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : BBut
u t i if
f t they...sorry.
h e y. . . so rry.
MR. N
O R R I S : TThe
h e f efederal
d e r a l ggovernment
o v e r n m e n t fforfeited
o r f e i t e d iit.
t.
MR.
NORRIS:
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y. U
m , wwhat
h a t II'm
m ggoing
o i n g to
t o have
h a v e you
y o u do
do
THE
COURT:
Um,
10
i s rephrase
r e p h r a s e your
y o u r question
q u e s t i o n and
a n d you
y o u ccan
a n aask
sk w
h a t hhappened...
appened...
is
what
11
MS.
Okay.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: O
k a y.
12
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....to
. t o tthat
hat m
o n e y . IIf
f iit
t w
a s fforfeited
o r f e i t e d to
t o the
the
THE
money.
was
13
ffederal
g o v e r n m e n t tthen
h e n II tthink
h i n k tthat's
h a t s the
t h e end
e n d of
o f the
t h e question;
q u e s t i o n ; and
and
14
i f it
i t was
w a s fforfeited
o r f e i t e d to
t o the
t h e sstate,
t a t e , um,
u m , you
y o u ccan
a n aask
s k tthe
h e qquestion,
u e s t i o n , II'll
ll
if
15
ffind
i n d out
o u t what
w h a t objection
o b j e c t i o n happens
h a p p e n s then.
t h e n . But
B u t go
g o ahead
a h e a d and
a n d ask
a s k your
yo u r
16
question.
question.
17
Q
Q
18
a c t u a l l y sent
s e n t back
b a c k to
t o you,
y o u , the
t h e District
D i s t r i c tAttorney's
A t t o r n e y soffice,
o f f i c e$4
, $ 40,0
0 , 000 0?
0?
actually
19
IIsn't
s n t iti t true
t r u e Mr.
M r . Dugan
D u g a n that
t h a t the
t h e federal
f e d e r a l government
government
THE C
O U R T : I It think
h i n k tthe
h e qquestion
uestion w
a s tthat
h a t I said
s a i d you
yo u
THE
COURT:
was
20
c o u l d ask
a s k is
i s who
w h o fforfeited
orfeited
who
who w
a s tthe
he m
o n e y fforfeited
o r f e i t e d tto,
o,
could
was
money
21
correct?
correct?
22
23
24
25
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , iiff II m
a y , yyeah,
e a h , iiff I m
a y jjust
u s t answer
answer
MS.
GERBER:
may,
may
y o u rregarding
e g a r d i n g yyour
o u r cconcern.
o n c e r n . II tthink...
hink...
you
THE C
OURT: W
e l l I Igguess
u e s s t the
h e ffirst
i r s t qquestion
u e s t i o n II want
w a n t on
on
THE
COURT:
Well
t h e record
r e c o r d is
i s who
w h o ddid
i d tthe
he m
o n e y gget
e t fforfeited
o r f e i t e d tto.
o.
the
money
1969
1
MS. G
E R B E R : OOkay,
k a y , IIuunderstand
n d e r s t a n d tthat.
hat.
MS.
GERBER:
Q
Q
A n d tthat's
h a t s true,
t r u e , Mr.
M r . Dugan,
D u g a n , that
t h a t the
t h e federal
government
And
i n i t i a l l yseized
s e i z e dthe
t h e$5
$ 53,0
3,00
0 00ffrom
rom M
r . EEsbensen's
s b e n s e n s hhome,
o m e , iis
s tthat
hat
initially
Mr.
right?
right?
t h a t was
w a s seized
s e i z e d at
a tthe
t h eEsbensen
E s b e n s e nhome
h o m eand
a n dalso
a l s othe
t h e$1$ 15,0
5 , 000 0 and
and
that
c h a n g e tthat
h a t was
w a s sseized
e i z e d from
f r o m tthe
h e bank.
bank.
change
Q
Q
e v e n t u a l l y released
r e l e a s e d to
t o your
y o u r ooffice?
ffice?
eventually
T
h e ffederal
g o v e r n m e n tdid
d i daaforfeiture
f o r f e i t u r eono nthe
t h $5
e $ 53,0
3 , 000 0
0
The
And w
a s tthat
hat m
o n e y ffrom
r o m tthe
h e ffederal
government
And
was
money
10
IItt was
w a s nnot.
ot.
11
Q
Q
IItt was
w a s nnot?
o t ? Okay.
O k a y . And
A n d yyou
o u ddismissed
i s m i s s e d a Count
C o u n t 19,
19, I
12
b e l i e v e , that
t h a tincluded
i n c l u d e dthat
t h a$1
t $ 15,0
5 , 000 0,
0 , um,
u m , why
w h y ddid
i d yyou
o u ddo
o tthat?
hat?
believe,
13
14
a p p a r e n t l y evident
e v i d e n t that
t h a t that
t h a t money
m o n e y had
h a d aalready
l r e a d y bbeen
e e n fforfeited
o r f e i t e d by
by
apparently
15
t h e federal
g o v e r n m e n t and
a n d we
w e had
h a d no
n o longer,
l o n g e r , um,
u m , we
w e were
w e r e no
no
the
16
llonger
o n g e r in
i n control
c o n t r o l of
o f it
i t so
s o we
w e ccould
o u l d nnot
o t ddo
o aa ccivil
i v i l fforfeiture
o r f e i t u r e or
or
17
c r i m i n a l fforfeiture
o r f e i t u r e at
a t that
t h a t time.
time.
criminal
18
Q
Q
19
b a c k from
f r o m tthe
h e ffederal
g o v e r n m e n t regarding
w h a t was
w a s seized
s e i z e d from
from
back
20
Mr. E
s b e n s e n s home?
home?
Mr.
Esbensen's
21
T
h a t s correct.
correct.
That's
22
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u hhave
a v e aanything
n y t h i n g ooutlining
u t l i n i n g how
h o w much
m u c h time
t i m e you
y o u sspent
pent
Do
23
o n tthe
h e DeFrank
D e F r a n k ccase
a s e during
d u r i n g the
t h e same
s a m e time
t i m e you
y o u were
w e r e working
w o r k i n g on
on
on
24
t h i s case?
case?
this
25
B e c a u s e dduring
u r i n g tthe
h e ccourse
o u r s e ooff tthe
h e ttrial
r i a l it
i t became
became
Because
A n d sso
o yyou're
o u r e ssaying
a y i n g tthat
h a t you
y o u ddid
i d nnot
o t rreceive
e c e i v e aanything
n yt h i n g
And
Um, w
ell w
h e n II ggo
o bback
a c k tthrough
hrough m
y bbilling
i l l i n g rrecords,
e c o r d s , II on
on
Um,
well
when
my
1970
1
s o m e ooccasions
c c a s i o n s wrote
w r o t e down
d o w n what
w h a t cases
c a s e s II was
w a s working
w o r k i n g on
o n and
and
some
s o m e t i m e s II ddid
i d nnot.
ot. U
m , iit's
t s not
n o t llike
i k e private
p r i v a t e practice
p r a c t i c e where
w h e r e you
yo u
sometimes
Um,
n o t write
w r i t e down
d o w n eevery
v e r y ssix
i x seconds
s e c o n d s or
o r six
s i x minutes.
m i n u t e s . But,
B u t , um,
u m , when
when I
not
g o tthrough
h r o u g h my
m y ttiming,
i m i n g , when
w h e n I ssay
a y II hhave
a v e sspent
pent
llet
et m
e gget
e t tto
o tthat
hat
go
me
p o i n t here,
h e r e , let's
l e t ssee
s e e in
i n 2000...495
2 0 0 0 . . . 4 9 5hours
h o u r s in
i n 2012.
2 0 1 2 . II spent
s p e n t 540
5 4 0 hours
hours
point
o n oother
t h e r cases.
c a s e s . In
I n 2013,
2 0 1 3 , um,
u m , II did
d i d 500
5 0 0 hours
h o u r s working
w o r k i n g on
o n tthe
h e case
case
on
i n 22013.
0 1 3 . I hhave
a v e aa ttotal
o t a l of
o f 1,039
1 , 0 3 9 hours
h o u r s in
i n my
m y ccontract
o n t r a c t that
t h a t II can
can
in
w o r k sso
o tthere
h e r e is
i s 513
513
5519,
1 9 , nno
o 5539
3 9 hhours
o u r s sspent
p e n t iin
n 2013
2 0 1 3 oon
n oother
ther
work
c a s e s , mostly
m o s t l y the
t h e DeFrank
D e F r a n k case.
c a s e . And
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h e n iin
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c o u r t today,
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16
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t h r o u g h your
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w h i c h ccase
a s e you
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to?
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20
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23
a n d yyou'll
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do
and
24
t h o s e . Um,
U m , and
and I w
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o t with
w i t h Brad
Brad W
i l l i a m s going
g o i n g over
over
those.
worked
Williams
25
e v i d e n c e , um,
u m , over
o v e r and
a n d over
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a n d over.
o v e r . Um,
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going
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very
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s t a r t . There's
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j u s taa ton
t o n of
o f information
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t h a t we
w e acquired
a c q u i r e d that
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t o try
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t o prove
prove
sense
e v e r y t h i n g and
a n d what
w h a t we
w e could
c o u l d prove
p r o v e and
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THE
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OURT: M
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OURT: N
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t h a t Mr.
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a r a l l e l , um,
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a n d that
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h a t testimony
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Brad W
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a n y ooff tthe
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s a i d no?
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18
19
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21
t h e Vale
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the
22
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23
w o n d e r i n g ddo
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24
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THE
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Gerber.
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16
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17
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20
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t h e total
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21
r e s t i t u t i o n that
t h a t you,
y o u , um,
u m , drafted
d r a f t e d in
i n your
y o u r plea
p l e a agreements
a g r e e m e n t s with
with
restitution
22
t h o s e people?
people?
those
23
24
o t h e r than
t h a n what
w h a t II've
v e indicated
i n d i c a t e d previously.
p r e v i o u s l y .Kerry
K e r r y and
a n d Kelly
K e l l y Rhoan
Rhoan
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25
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e c e i v e d nno
o rrestitution
e s t i t u t i o n from
f r o m any
a n y of
o f those
t h o s e people
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1974
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R I C O cconviction;
o n v i c t i o n ;Ann
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t h e District
A t t o r n e y in
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of
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E R B E R : CCould
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MS.
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10
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a s k him
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11
q u e s t i o n , um,
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12
t h i n k I'm
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d i s r e g a r d i n g your
y o u r order
o r d e r regarding
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y o u said
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13
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m
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14
g o i n g tto
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a s k Mr.
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15
i t , um,
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17
T H E CCOURT:
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THE
COURT:
20
MS.
MS. G
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21
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c o u n t y ccouncil
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n d ttalking
a l k i n g about
a b o u t this
t h i s case
c a s e openly?
o p e n l y?
county
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24
c o u n t y commission
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m e e t i n g and
a n d asked
asked
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county
25
t h e case.
c a s e . I think
t h i n k it
i t was
w a s after
a f t e r the
t h e Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan
R h o a n ttrial
r i a l and
a n d before
b e f o r e the
the
the
I rremember
e m e m b e r ggoing
o i n g tto
o tthe
h e ccounty
o u n t y ccouncil
o u n c i l meeting,
m e e t i n g , um,
u m , or
or
1975
1
Kelly
Rhoan
Kelly R
h o a n ttrial.
rial.
Q
Q
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hen w
o u l d tthat
h a t hhave
a v e bbeen?
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when
would
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t h e Kerry
K e r r y Rhoan
R h o a n ttrial
r i a l was
w a s in
i n March
M a r c h and
a n d Kelly
Kelly
Well,
Rhoan
was
April.
Rhoan w
a s iin
n A
pril.
Q
Q
t e n ccases
a s e s hhave
a v e bbeen
e e n ssettled
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i t h ffines
i n e s tthat
hat w
e n t iinto
n t o tthe
h e ssheriff's
heriffs
ten
with
went
fforfeiture
o r f e i t u r e account...
account...
8
9
D o yyou
o u rrecall
e c a l l ttelling
e l l i n g tthe
h e ccouncil
o u n c i l tthat,
h a t , and
a n d II'm
m rreading,
eading,
Do
THE C
O U R T : HHold
o l d oon,
n , l let's
e t s make
make
l elet's
ts m
a k e tthis
h i s cclear
lear
THE
COURT:
make
ffor
o r the
t h e record.
r e c o r d . You
Y o u aare
r e reading
r e a d i n g from?
from?
10
MS. G
E R B E R : EExhibit
x h i b i t 2205,
0 5 , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
MS.
GERBER:
11
THE
COURT:
Which
what?
THE C
OURT: W
h i c h iis
sw
hat?
12
MR. N
O R R I S : WWe'll
e l l oobject,
b j e c t , iit's
t s hearsay.
h e a rsa y.
MR.
NORRIS:
13
MS. G
E R B E R : I It's
t s aa nnewspaper
e w s p a p e r aarticle
r t i c l e from
f r o m the
t h e Malheur
Malheur
MS.
GERBER:
14
E
nterprise...
Enterprise...
15
MR. N
O R R I S : NNewspaper
rticle w
i l l bbe
e hhearsay.
e a rsa y.
MR.
NORRIS:
will
16
MS. G
E R B E R : . ....which
. w h i c h II bbelieve
e l i e v e yyou
o u ccan
a n ttake
a k e jjudicial
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MS.
GERBER:
17
n o t i c e oof
f aas
s iit's
t s aa...
...
notice
18
19
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , s osoi tit's
s aa nnewspaper
e w s p a p e r aarticle?
rticle?
THE
S
tatement?
Statement?
20
MS.
MS. G
GERBER:
E R B E R : YYeah,
e a h , yyes,
e s , iitt iis.
s.
21
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y , II'm
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o ggo
o aahead
h e a d aand
n d llet
e t you
yo u
THE
COURT:
22
a s k yyour
o u r qquestion
u e s t i o n tthen
h e n II'm
m going
g o i n g to
t o rule
r u l e on
o n this.
t h i s . Go
G o aahead.
head.
ask
23
Q
Q
D o yyou
o u rremember
e m e m b e r t telling...
elling...
Do
24
II've
v e not
n o t read
r e a d the
t h e nnewspaper
e w s p a p e r aarticle.
rticle.
25
Q
Q
W e l l II'm
m just
j u s t asking
a s k i n g you
y o u if
i f you
y o u rrecall
e c a l l this.
t h i s . Do
D o you
yo u
Well
1976
DISCUSSION ON COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING ARTICLE

1
r e m e m b e r ttelling
e l l i n g the
t h e city
c i t y council
c o u n c i l that,
t h a t , um,
u m , they
t h e y agreed
a g r e e d to
t o help
help
remember
c o v e r tthe
h e ccost
o s t oof
f pprosecution
r o s e c u t i o n aand
n d iinvestigation
n v e s t i g a t i o n with
w i t h aapproximately
pproximately
cover
$ 7 88,0
, 0 0 00??
$7
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . HHere's
e r e s wwhat
h a t I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g t to
o ddo.
o . II'll
l l llet
et
THE
y o u ooffer
f f e r tthat.
h a t . II'm
m not
n o t going
g o i n g iinto
n t o tthat
h a t bbecause,
e c a u s e , aagain,
g a i n , tto
o m
e iit's
ts
you
me
i r r e l e v a n tto
t owhat
w h a tthe
t h estatute
s t a t u t allows
e a l l o win
s iORS
n O R S1 1666.7
6 . 7 2 00(5)(b)
( 5 ) ( b ) which
which
irrelevant
a l l o w s for
f o r the
t h e state
s t a t e to
t o seek
s e e k court
c o u r t costs
c o s t s and
a n d the
t h e cost
c o s t of
of
allows
a n d prosecution
p r o s e c u t i o n reasonably
r e a s o n a b l y incurred
i n c u r r e d from
f r o m the
the
investigation
d e f e n d a n t s . And
A n d so,
s o , um,
u m , II w
i l l let
l e t you
yo u m
a k e yyour
o u r rrecord
e c o r d ffor
o r tthat.
hat.
defendants.
will
make
10
II'm
m going
g o i n g to
t o renew
renew m
y rruling
u l i n g bbefore,
e f o r e , aand
n d II'm
m going
g o i n g tto
o ssustain
u s t a i n the
the
my
11
o b j e c t i o n to
t o that
t h a t end.
e n d . So,
S o , go
g o ahead
a h e a d and
a n d ask
a s k aanother
n o t h e r question
q u e s t i o n if
i f you
yo u
objection
12
h a v e one.
one.
have
13
MS. G
E R B E R : UUh,
h , j ujudge,
d g e , j just
u s t aa bbrief
r i e f rresponse
e s p o n s e for
f o r the
the
MS.
GERBER:
14
r e c o r d and
a n d II'll
l l rest
r e s t at
a t this
t h i s point.
p o i n t .That
T h a t regarding
r e g a r d i n g that
t h a t issue
i s s u e
I
record
15
r a i s e that
t h a t issue
i s s u e regarding
r e g a r d i n g whether
w h e t h e r or
o r not
n o t they
t h e y rreceived
e c e i v e d funding
funding
raise
16
ffrom
r o m oother
t h e r eentities
n t i t i e s because
b e c a u s e tthey're
h e y r e asking
a s k i n g for
f o r a certain
c e r t a i n amount;
amount;
17
a n d iitt would
w o u l d bbe
e m
y pposition
o s i t i o n tthat
h a t that
t h a t amount
a m o u n t should
s h o u l d be
b e reduced
r e d u c e d by
by
and
my
18
w h a t e v e r eelse
l s e tthey've
h e y v e received
r e c e i v e d and
a n d hhaven't
a v e n t reported
r e p o r t e d to
t o the
t h e ccourt.
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whatever
19
U m , sso
o II w
o u l d jjust
ust m
a k e tthat
h a t ooffer
f f e r ooff pproof
r o o f aand
n d ssubmit
u b m i t tthis
his
Um,
would
make
20
a r t i c l e , um,
u m , II do
d o have
h a v e two
t w o aadditional
d d i t i o n a l motions
m o t i o n s II had
h a d mentioned
mentioned
article,
21
p r e v i o u s l y but
b u t I hhave
a v e nno
o ffurther
uestions.
previously
22
23
THE C
O U R T : SSo
o t hthat's
a t s eexhibit
xhibit
w
h i c h eexhibit
x h i b i t do
d o you
yo u
THE
COURT:
which
w a n t tto
o ooffer?
ffer?
want
24
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , tthis
h i s iis
s eexhibit
x h i b i t 205.
205.
25
MR. N
O R R I S : AAnd
n d wwe'll
e l l oobject.
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rticle
MR.
NORRIS:
A nnewspaper
1977

1
w r i t t e n by
b y a tthird
h i r d person
p e r s o n is
i s hearsay
h e a r s a y Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
written
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d t hthe
e eexception
x c e p t i o n ffor
o r tthat?
hat?
THE
COURT:
MS. G
E R B E R : JJudge,
u d g e , IIt think
h i n k yyou
o u ccan
a n t take
a k e j judicial
otice
MS.
GERBER:
o f iitt and
a n d I'm
I m happy
happy
uum,
m , II tthink
h i n k hhe
e jjust
u s t aadmitted
d m i t t e d tthat
h a t he
h e did
did
of
r e m e m b e r ggoing
o i n g tto
o tthe
h e ccouncil
ouncil m
eeting...
remember
meeting...
THE
COURT:
Yeah.
THE C
OURT: Y
eah.
MR. N
O R R I S : I It
t ddoesn't
oesnt m
e a n iit
tw
a s aaccurately
c c u r a t e l y rreported.
eported.
MR.
NORRIS:
mean
was
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g t to
o ssustain
u s t a i n tthe
h e oobjection
b j e c t i o n simply
simply
THE
9
10
b e c a u s e iitt is
i s something
something w
r i t t e n by
b y aanother
n o t h e r pparty
a r t y aand
n d uunless
n l e s s tthere's
heres
because
written
a ttranscript...
ranscript...
a
11
MS. G
ERBER: W
e hhave
a v e a at rtranscript,
a n s c r i p t , jjudge.
udge.
MS.
GERBER:
We
12
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . . ...I've,
. I v e , nno.
o . UUnless
n l e s s t there's
h e r e s aa ttranscript,
ranscript,
THE
13
y o u r e offering
o f f e r i n g something
t h a twas
w a s written
w r i t t e nby
b y somebody
s o m e b o d y else
e l s e and
and I
you're
14
s e e eenough
n o u g h iinaccuracies
n a c c u r a c i e s iin
n aarticles
r t i c l e s tthat...
hat...
see
15
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: O
h yyes.
es.
MS.
Oh
16
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....I'm
. I m ggoing
o i n g tto
o ssustain
ustain
II'm
m going
g o i n g to
to
THE
17
s u s t a i n the
t h e objection,
o b j e c t i o n , I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o rreceive
e c e i v e tthat
h a t exhibit.
e x h i b i t . Before
Before
sustain
18
w e ggo
o aany
n y ffurther
u r t h e r II w
a n t tto
o jjust
u s t ttake
a k e up
u p aa ccouple
o u p l e of
o f tthings.
h i n g s . You
You
we
want
19
h a d nno
o oother
t h e r qquestions
u e s t i o n s for
f o r him?
him?
had
20
21
MS. G
E R B E R : NNo,
o , j judge.
u d g e . BBut
u t ccan
a n II,
, ffor
o r tthe
h e aappellate
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MS.
GERBER:
r e c o r d , seal
s e a l tthis
h i s exhibit?
exhibit?
record,
22
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : YYeah,
e a h , yyou
o u ccan...
an...
23
MS. G
ERBER: T
h a n k yyou.
ou.
MS.
GERBER:
Thank
24
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....you
. y o u ccan
a n sseal
e a l iit
t aas
s aan
n eexhibit
x h i b i t bbut
u t II'm
m not
not
THE
25
r e c e i v i n g iitt at
a t tthis
h i s point.
point.
receiving
1978
MOTION TO PROHIBIT THE PROSECUTIONS

PROSECUTION'S RESTITUTION REQUEST
1
MS.
GERBER:
Thank
MS. G
E R B E R : RRight.
ight. T
h a n k you.
yo u .
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : WWith
i t h r eregards
g a r d s t otot hthe
e s state's
tates m
o t i o n , in
in
THE
motion,
e s s e n c e I hhad
a d ggranted
r a n t e d iit,
t , so
s o II'm
m signing
s i g n i n g it
i t granting
g r a n t i n g as
a s far
f a r as
as
essence
llimiting
i m i t i n g the
t h e issues
i s s u e s in
i n the
t h e motion
m o t i o n in
i n llimine.
i m i n e . I did
d i d iitt for
f o r the
t h e reasons
reasons
II sset
e t fforth
o r t h bbut
u t II'm
m ggranting
r a n t i n g tthat.
hat.
a s ggiven
i v e n hhere,
e r e , when
w h e n yyou
ou m
a d e rreference,
e f e r e n c e , um,
u m , you
y o u ssaid
aid
Iw
was
made
y o u lleft
e f t something
s o m e t h i n g here
h e r e on
o n the
t h e bench
b e n c h and
a n d sso
o II tturned
u r n e d tto
o tthe
h e cclerk
lerk
you
a n d aas
s II llooked
o o k e d tthrough
h r o u g h tthat
h a t I ffound
o u n d aa ccouple
o u p l e oother
t h e r matters.
m a t t e r s . One
One
and
w a s aa m
o t i o n t to
o pprohibit
r o h i b i t t the
h e pprosecution's
r o s e c u t i o n s rrequest
e q u e s t ffor
o r rrestitution
estitution
was
motion
10
t h a t s dated
d a t e d today.
t o d a y . II didn't
d i d n t see
s e e aa proof
p r o o f of
o f service
s e r v i c e attached
a t t a c h e d with
w i t h iit.
t.
that's
11
U m , aand
n d II'm
m jjust
u s t ggoing
o i n g tto
o ddiscuss
i s c u s s iitt bbecause
e c a u s e II've
v e read
r e a d it
i t and
and I
Um,
12
d o n t think
t h i n k there's
t h e r e sany
a n y arguments
a r g u m e n t s needed
n e e d e d with
w i t h regards
r e g a r d s tto
o tthis.
his.
don't
13
In
I n tthis
h i s motion,
m o t i o n , and
a n d II'm
m denying
d e n y i n g iitt and
a n d hhere's
e r e s my
m y rreason.
eason.
14
IItt caused
c a u s e d me
m e ssome
o m e ppause
a u s e aas
s II w
a s llistening
i s t e n i n g to
t o the
t h e arguments
a r g u m e n t s and
a n d as
as
was
15
II w
a s llooking
o o k i n g aatt tthis.
h i s . In
I n eessence
s s e n c e it
i t is
i s that
t h a t the
t h e following:
f o l l o w i n g : ORS
ORS
was
16
1 666 6.7
. 7 2 52( 5(b)
b ) s esets
t s f oforth,
r t h , u um,
m , wwhat
h a t c can
a n b be
e r erecouped,
c o u p e d , iin
n eessence,
s s e n c e , from
from
1
17
a ddefendant
e f e n d a n t in
i n a RICO
R I C O ccase.
ase. A
n d II'm
m jjust
u s t ggoing
o i n g tto
o rread
e a d tthis
his
a
And
18
statute.
statute.
19
I t says,
s a y s , "In
I n lieu
l i e u of
o f a fine
f i n e otherwise
o t h e r w i s e authorized
b y law,
law,
It
20
a n y pperson
e r s o n cconvicted
o n v i c t e d of
o f eengaging
n g a g i n g iin
n cconduct
o n d u c t iin
n vviolation
i o l a t i o n of
o f the
the
any
21
p r o v i s i o n s of
o f subsection
s u b s e c t i o n 1,
1 , 2,
2, 4
4 of
o f tthis
h i s section,
s e c t i o n , through
t h r o u g h which
w h i c h the
the
provisions
22
p e r s o n derived
d e r i v e d aa pecuniary
p e c u n i a r y value
v a l u e or
o r by
b y which
w h i c h tthe
h e pperson
e r s o n caused
caused
person
23
p e r s o n a l injury
i n j u r y or
o r property
p r o p e r t y damage
d a m a g e or
o r other
o t h e r loss,
l o s s , may
m a y be
be
personal
24
t o pay
p a y aa ffine
i n e tthat
h a t does
d o e s nnot
o t eexceed
x c e e d tthree
h r e e times
t i m e s the
t h e gross
gross
sentenced
25
v a l u e gained
g a i n e d oorr tthree
h r e e times
t i m e s the
t h e gross
g r o s s vvalue
a l u e ccaused,
a u s e d , whichever
w h i c h e v e r is
is
value
MOTION DENIED
1979
MOTION DENIED
1
g r e a t e r . That
T h a t deals
d e a l s with
w i t h the
t h e ffine.
ine.
greater."
And M
s . GGerber
e r b e r llaid
a i d oout
u t tthat
h a t iin
n tthis
h i s case,
c a s e , and
a n d I looked
l o o k e d at
at
And
Ms.
t h e judgment
t h a t II had
h a d signed
s i g n e d with
w i t h regards
r e g a r d s to
t o Mr.
M r . Esbensen,
E s b e n s e n , and
and
the
i t is
i s true
t r u e that
t h a t II ordered
o r d e r e d fines
f i n e s in
i n aa number
n u m b e r of
o f tthese
h e s e counts.
c o u n t s . II did
did
it
n o t pput
u t aany
n y ffine
ine w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o tthe
h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g counts,
c o u n t s , but
b u t II did
did
not
with
o n tthe
h e oother
t h e r counts.
c o u n t s . But
B u t even
e v e n if
i f II
eeven
v e n iif
f II hhad,
a d , II tthink
h i n k tthat
h a t the
the
on
p a r t that
t h a t persuaded
p e r s u a d e d the
t h e court
c o u r t is
i s the
t h e next
n e x t word:
w o r d : pplus.
l u s . IItt rreads,
eads,
part
P l u s court
c o u r t costs
c o s t s and
a n d tthe
h e ccosts
o s t s ooff iinvestigation
a n d pprosecution
rosecution
"Plus
r e a s o n a b l y incurred."
i n c u r r e d . II don't
d o n tsee
s e e
and
a n d the
t h e motion,
m o t i o n , which
w h i c h was
w a s not
not
reasonably
10
p r o p e r l y served
s e r v e d and
a n d such,
s u c h , was
w a s aa m
o t i o n hheaded,
eaded, m
o t i o n tto
o pprohibit
rohibit
properly
motion
motion
11
t h e pprosecution's
r o s e c u t i o n s request
r e q u e s t for
f o r restitution.
r e s t i t u t i o n .And
A n d then
t h e n at
a t the
t h e very
v e r y end,
end,
the
12
i n tthe
h e cconclusion,
o n c l u s i o n , it
i t said,
s a i d , "Mr.
M r . Esbensen
E s b e n s e n prays
p r a y s for
f o r an
a n order
o r d e r of
o f tthis
his
in
13
c o u r t ddenying
e n y i n g tthe
h e pprosecution's
r o s e c u t i o n s request
r e q u e s t for
f o r its
i t s costs."
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d i f f e r e n c e between
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COURT:
20
MR. N
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6 6 . 7 2 5 ( 1 2 ) sspecifically
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NORRIS:
21
a p p l i c a t i o n of
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c i v i l remedy
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22
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r e m e d y , ccivil
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O R S 166.715
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any
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24
o t h e r provision
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MOTION DENIED
1980
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
T H E CCOURT:
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
2
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c a s e , um,
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23
e x h i b i t 205,
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w h a t nnormal
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
1982
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
s a y aa pprosecutor
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c a s e , um,
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b e c a u s e II tthink
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t r i a l and
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19
r e f u s e to
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20
ffor
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record.
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22
23
MR. N
O R R I S : TThere's
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COURT:
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T
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O b j e c t i o n s , 2009
2 0 0 9 eedition
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25
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i s t r i a l . And
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t s on
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MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
1983
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL

1
p a g e 22 oof
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evidence
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n o t eenough
n o u g h tto
o pprotect
r o t e c t tthe
h e pparties'
a r t i e s rights.
r i g h t s .A
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is
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i s appropriate
a p p r o p r i a t e if
i f during
d u r i n g trial
t r i a l an
a n event
e v e n t occurs
o c c u r s that
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is
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m i s t r i a l must
m u s t be
be
influenced
t i m e l y to
t o preserve
p r e s e r v e error.
e r r o r . Generally
G e n e r a l l y the
t h e motion
m o t i o n must
m u s t be
be
timely
10
contemporaneous w
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p o s s i b l e ccurative
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c o u r t . If
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m o t i o n s back
b a c k in,
i n , what,
w h a t , August
A u g u s t of
o f llast
ast
judge
19
y e a r . What
W h a t did
d i d I know
k n o w aabout
b o u t yyour
o u r ccase?
a s e ? Not
Not m
u c h , jjust
u s t what
what I
year.
much,
20
h e a r d in
i n tthe
he m
o t i o n s oon
n tthat
h a t ddate.
ate.
heard
motions
21
A n d tthen
h e n II ccame
a m e tto
o yyour
o u r t trial
r i a l aand
n d II ttook
o o k tthe
h e ttrial.
r i a l . This
This
And
22
i n f o r m a t i o n is
i s new
n e w tto
o tthe
h e ccourt,
o u r t , tthe
h e ttrier
r i e r of
o f ffact.
a c t . I wasn't
w a s n t aware
aware
information
23
o f tthis
h i s and,
a n d , um,
um, w
h a t II'm
m llooking
o o k i n g ffor
o r is
i s was
w a s tthere
h e r e uuninvited
ninvited
of
what
24
p r e j u d i c e where
w h e r e tthere
here w
a s aa rreasonable
e a s o n a b l e ppossibility
o s s i b i l i t y tthat
h a t tthe
h e ttrier
r i e r of
of
prejudice
was
25
ffact
a c t was
w a s iinfluenced
n f l u e n c e d by
b y tthe
h e iirregular
r r e g u l a r event.
event.
MOTION FOR MISTRIAL
1984
MOTION DENIED
1
U m , tthere's
h e r e s nothing
n o t h i n g been
b e e n presented
p r e s e n t e d ever
e v e r to
t o show
s h o w that
that
Um,
t h a t was
w a s presented
p r e s e n t e d to
t o the
t h e court.
c o u r t .And
A n d so,
s o , you
y o u know,
k n o w , if
i f we
w e were
were
that
t a l k i n g about
a b o u t aa jury
j u r y trial
t r i a l and
a n d that
t h a t information
i n f o r m a t i o n was
w a s able
a b l e to
t o come
come
talking
o u t aatt tthe
h e aappropriate
p p r o p r i a t e time,
t i m e , um,
u m , and
a n d iiff aa ccurative
u r a t i v e iinstruction
n s t r u c t i o n was
was
out
n o t able
a b l e to
t o be
b e ggiven
i v e n tthen
h e n II tthink
hink m
a y b e aa m
istrial w
o u l d v e been
been
not
maybe
mistrial
would've
a p p r o p r i a t e . II don't
d o n t see
s e e iti t here
h e r e and
a n d so
s o your
y o u r motion
m o t i o n iiss ddenied.
enied.
appropriate.
S
o , hhere's
e r e s what
w h a t I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
t o do.
do.
So,
MS. G
E R B E R : TThere
h e r e wwere
e r e j just
u s t kkind
i n d oof
f aaccouple
o u p l e llittle
ittle
MS.
GERBER:
h o u s e k e e p i n g tthings,
h i n g s , judge.
judge.
housekeeping
10
THE C
O U R T : OOkay,
k a y, w
h a t eelse?
lse?
THE
COURT:
what
11
MS. G
E R B E R : J Just,
u s t , IIddidn't
idnt w
a n t tto
o iinterrupt
n t e r r u p t you.
yo u .
MS.
GERBER:
want
12
THE C
OURT: N
o , ggo
o aahead.
head.
THE
COURT:
No,
13
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : UUm,
m , oon
n mmy
y c lclient's
i e n t s jjudgment
u d g m e n t hhe's
e s ccharged
harged
14
w i t h rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g and
a n d solicitation
s o l i c i t a t i o n to
t o commit
c o m m i t murder.
m u r d e r . Um,
U m , II've
ve
with
15
never
h i n k tthat's
h a t s a typo
t y p o aand
n d II jjust
ust w
anted...
never
IItthink
wanted...
16
17
THE C
OURT: W
e l l , IIwwould
o u l d aassume
s s u m e sso
o bbecause
e c a u s e IIddidn't
idnt
THE
COURT:
Well,
k n o w hhe
e w
a s ttrying
r y i n g tto
o ccommit
ommit m
u r d e r eeither.
ither.
know
was
murder
18
MS.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: Y
Yeah.
eah.
19
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : LLet's
e t s llook
o o k tthrough
h r o u g h hhere.
ere.
THE
20
MS. G
E R B E R : I Ipprobably
r o b a b l y wwould've
o u l d v e pprepared
r e p a r e d more.
more.
MS.
GERBER:
21
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : UUh,
h , I Ih have
a v e r aracketeering
c k e t e e r i n g aand
n d t that's
h a t s for
for
THE
22
Count
m llooking
o o k i n g aatt w
h a t yyou've
o u v e gave
g a v e me
m e aas
s eexhibit
x h i b i t 202.
202. I
Count
II'm
what
23
h a v e rracketeering,
a c k e t e e r i n g , I hhave
ave C
o u n t 22,
, rracketeering,
a c k e t e e r i n g , iinteresting.
nteresting.
have
Count
24
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : II tthought
h o u g h t iitt was.
was.
25
THE C
O U R T : CCount
o u n t 33i is
s aacconspiracy
o n s p i r a c y tto
o ccommit
ommit m
urder,
THE
COURT:
murder,
DISCUSSION ON WRONG HEADING ON JUDGMENT
1985

1
2
3
treason, A
A ffelony-racketeering.
e l o n y - r a c k e t e e r i n g . Um...
Um...
treason,
MR. N
ORRIS: W
e l l wwe
e wwouldn't
o u l d n t yyou
o u oobject
b j e c t tto
o yyou
o u ffixing
ixing
MR.
NORRIS:
Well
t h a t appropriately,
a p p r o p r i a t e l y , Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
that
MS. G
ERBER: W
e wwould
o u l d a appreciate
p p r e c i a t e tthat.
hat.
MS.
GERBER:
We
THE C
O U R T : YYeah,
e a h , II jjust
ust
II nneed
e e d tto
o kknow
now
were
THE
COURT:
we're
g o i n g tto
o ttake
a k e a brief
b r i e f recess
r e c e s s because
b e c a u s e II need
n e e d to
t o know
k n o w if
i f this
t h i s is
i saa
aa
going
c o m p u t e r tthing
h i n g that
t h a t they
t h e y have
have w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s to
to w
h a t tthey
h e y llist
i s t for
for
computer
with
what
t h e s e kind
k i n d of
o f cases.
c a s e s . Um,
U m , rracketeering,
a c k e t e e r i n g , yeah,
y e a h , you
y o u guys
g u y s are
a r e my
m y ffirst
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these
o n e iin
n aall
l l my
m y yyears
e a r s oon
n tthe
h e bbench
e n c h sso
o iit's
t s not
n o t aa common
c o m m o n ccase.
ase.
one
10
MR. D
U G A N : TThere
h e r e wwere
e r e t hthree
r e e ccounts
o u n t s oof
f rracketeering,
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MR.
DUGAN:
11
( I N A U D I B L E ) CCount
o u n t 33.
. UUm,
m , CCount
o u n t 11wwas
a s aaggeneral
e n e r a l rracketeering
acketeering
(INAUDIBLE)
12
a l l e g a t i o n ; Count
Count 2
2 was
w a s aa rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g aallegation
l l e g a t i o n where
w h e r e they
they
allegation;
13
a c q u i r e d proceeds
p r o c e e d s during
d u r i n g the
t h e racketeering;
r a c k e t e e r i n g ;and
a n d Count
C o u n t 33 was
w a s aa
acquired
14
t o ccommit
o m m i t rracketeering.
acketeering.
conspiracy
15
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : CCorrect,
o r r e c t , aand
n d wwhat
h a t I I'm
m ssaying
a y i n g iis
s tthis...
his...
THE
16
MR. D
U G A N : TThey
h e y sshould
h o u l d aall
ll m
e r g e d iinto
n t o one
one
MR.
DUGAN:
merged
17
conviction.
conviction.
18
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d t that
hat
e ddon't
o n t hhave
a v e aa pproblem
r o b l e m with
with
THE
COURT:
wwe
19
t h a t part.
p a r t . What
W h a t II'm
m saying
s a y i n g is
i s this,
t h i s , okay?
o k a y ? Is
I s tthat
h a t the
t h e heading
h e a d i n g rreads,
eads,
that
20
t o commit
commit m
u r d e r / t r e a s o n / A ffelony
e l o n y rracketeering.
a c k e t e e r i n g . And
And
conspiracy
murder/treason/A
21
w h a t II'm
m thinking
t h i n k i n g is
i s it
i t may
m a y be
b e from
f r o m tthe
h e ccomputer
o m p u t e r ssystem
y s t e m tthat
h a t puts
puts
what
22
i t as
a s such;
s u c h ; I jjust
u s t want
w a n t tto
o cclarify
l a r i f y with
w i t h the
t h e court
c o u r t clerk
c l e r k who
w h o pprepared
repared
it
23
t h i s for
f o r me
m e bbecause
e c a u s e we
we m
a y nnot
o t bbe
e aable
b l e t to
o cchange
h a n g e i it.
t . II tthink
h i n k iit's
t s aa
this
may
24
s y s t e m tthat
h a t says
s a y s tthe
h e conspiracy
t o commit
c o m m i t murders
m u r d e r s oorr ttreason
r e a s o n or
or
system
25
t h e Class
Class A
A ffelony;
e l o n y ; and
a n d that
t h a t may
m a y just
j u s t be
b e in
i n the
t h e system
s y s t e m and
a n d I need
need
the
1986

1
t o double
d o u b l e check
c h e c k that
t h a t and
and
sso
ow
e r e ggoing
o i n g tto
o bbe
e iin
n rrecess
e c e s s ffor
o r jjust
ust
to
we're
a m
oment w
h i l e II llook
o o k aatt tthat
h a t and
a n d then
t h e n we
w e ccan
a n ttake
a k e up
up w
hatever
a
moment
while
whatever
e l s e you
y o u hhave.
ave.
else
MS.
GERBER:
Your
Honor.
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
onor.
THE C
O U R T : SSo,
o , bbe
e jjust
u s t aa m
inute.
THE
COURT:
minute.
MR.
KIYUNA:
MR. K
I Y U N A : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
udge.
(RECESS)
(RECESS)
THE C
O U R T : LLooking
o o k i n g aat
t tthe
h e jjudgment
u d g m e n t iin
n ccase
a s e number
number
THE
COURT:
9
10
11
1 22-0
- 0 99-4
- 4 8 282
4 C4C,
, um
, t hthat's
a t s j ujust
st
h a t s how
h o w that
t h a t statute,
s t a t u t e ,1161.4
6 1 . 455 22(a)
(a)
1
um,
t that's
r e a d s ffor
o r tthat.
h a t . So
S o tthat's
h a t s not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o get
g e t changed.
changed.
reads
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : UUm,
m , I It hthink
i n k t hthat's
a t s ddifferent,
i f f e r e n t , though,
t h o u g h , than
than
12
w h a t s in
i n the
t h e indictment,
i n d i c t m e n t , Your
Y o u r Honor.
H o n o r . II think
t h i n k leaving
l e a v i n g that
t h a t on
o n aa
what's
13
judgment
j u d g m e n t iiff iit's
t s not
n o t in
i n the
t h e indictment
i n d i c t m e n t and
a n d II think
t h i n k Mr.
M r . Norris
Norris
14
a g r e e s with
with m
e tthat
h a t tthat
h a t sshould
h o u l d nnot
o t rremain
e m a i n iin
n tthere
h e r e llike
i k e tthat.
hat. I
agrees
me
15
t h i n k we're
w e r e going
g o i n g to
t o have
h a v e a problem
p r o b l e m oon
n aappeal
ppeal w
i t h tthat
h a t ffor
o r ssure,
ure,
think
with
16
a n d II'm
m aa llittle
i t t l e concerned.
concerned.
and
17
MR. D
U G A N : WWell
e l l I I'll
l l llooking
o o k i n g aatt tthe
h e judgment
t h a t we
we
MR.
DUGAN:
18
s u b m i t t e d and
a n d that
t h a t was
w a s signed
s i g n e d by
b y JJudge
udge B
a x t e r . II'm
m at
a t a loss
l o s s here
here
submitted
Baxter.
19
a s tto
o w
h e r e yyou're
o u r e looking
l o o k i n g at
a t the
t h e term
t e r m murder.
murder.
as
where
20
THE
THE C
COURT:
OURT: W
Well...
ell...
21
MS. G
E R B E R : IIf found
o u n d i it
t iin
n tthe
h e jjail.
ail.
MS.
GERBER:
22
THE
COURT:
wwhat
THE C
O U R T : . ...what
. . w h a t iitt
h a t iis
s ssays
a y s iis
s tthis.
h i s . Okay,
Ok a y, I
23
c a n aask
s k hher
e r tto
o cchange
h a n g e iitt oout.
u t . What
W h a t iitt reads
r e a d s is,
i s , Count
C o u n t 3 is
is
can
24
t o commit
commit m
u r d e r / t r e a s o n / A ffelony/racketeering.
e l o n y / r a c k e t e e r i n g . What
What
conspiracy
murder/treason/A
25
II'll
l l ask
a s k the
t h e court
c o u r t clerk
c l e r k to
t o do
d o is
i s change
c h a n g e the
t h e heading
h e a d i n g to
t o read
read
1987

1
t o ccommit...
ommit...
conspiracy
MR.
DUGAN:
MR. D
U G A N : OOh,
h , II ssee,
e e , yyeah.
eah.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....A
. A f felony/racketeering.
e l o n y/ra c k e t e e ri n g.
THE
MR.
NORRIS:
with
MR. N
O R R I S : II'd
d bbe
e ffine
ine w
i t h that
t h a t Your
Y o u r Honor.
Honor.
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAnd
n d I I'll
l l hhave
a v e hher
e r ttake
a k e iitt oout
u t oon
n tthis
h i s next
next
THE
lline
i n e also.
also.
MR.
MR. N
NORRIS:
ORRIS: Y
Yeah.
eah.
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou
o u vvery
ery m
uch Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
much
Your
Honor.
THE C
O U R T : UUm,
m , ccan
a n IIhhave
a v e aassticky
t i c k y nnote?
o t e ? Which
W h i c h means
means
THE
COURT:
10
II'll
l l need
n e e d to
t o sign
s i g n that
t h a t today.
t o d a y . And,
And, w
h i c h iis
s ffine,
i n e , bbecause
e c a u s e sshe's
hes
which
11
g o i n g tto
o hhave
a v e tto
o cchange
h a n g e iit
t w
i t h tthe
h e ffinancials
i n a n c i a l s tthat
h a t I'm
I m going
g o i n g to
to
going
with
12
o r d e r here
h e r e in
in a m
i n u t e aalso.
l s o . You
Y o u hhad
a d ssomething
o m e t h i n g eelse
l s e llined
i n e d out?
out?
order
minute
13
Y o u hhad
a d aanother
n o t h e r hhousekeeping?
ousekeeping?
You
14
MS. G
u d g e , j just
u s t tthe,
h e , uum,
m , tthe
h e jjudgment
u d g m e n t iitself
tself
MS.
GERBER:
15
t h e double
j e o p a r d y and
a n d tthe
h e eextra
x t r a 20
2 0 ddays
a ys m
y cclient's
lients
regarding
my
16
s e r v i n g . And
A n d I tthink
h i n k you
y o u ddenied
e n i e d that
t h a t but
b u t II could
c o u l d be
b e wrong.
wrong.
serving.
17
18
THE C
O U R T : NNo,
o , II ssaid
a i d II w
ould
o u l d nneed
e e d tto
o sset
e t iitt
THE
COURT:
would
II wwould
llater.
ater.
19
MS. G
ERBER: O
h , ookay.
k a y.
MS.
GERBER:
Oh,
20
THE C
O U R T : GGive
i v e t hthe
e sstate
t a t e aan
n oopportunity
p p o r t u n i t y tto
o rrespond
e s p o n d to
to
THE
COURT:
21
it.
it.
22
MS.
GERBER:
MS. G
E R B E R : SSure.
ure.
23
THE C
O U R T : BBecause
e c a u s e i it
t wwas
a s j just
u s t ffiled
i l e d ttoday.
o d a y.
THE
COURT:
24
MS.
Yeah.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: Y
eah.
25
THE C
O U R T : AAnd
n d s so,
o , yyou
o u kknow,
n o w , I I'll
l l aask
s k tthe
h e cclerk
l e r k to
t o get
get
THE
COURT:
1988
IMPOSITION OF RESTITUTION
1
i t set
s e t as
a s soon
s o o n as
a s possible
p o s s i b l e and
a n d we
w e can
c a n hear
h e a r it
i t and
a n d II can
c a n probably
p r o b a b l y do
do
it
t h a t by
b y video
v i d e o from
f r o m Baker.
Baker.
that
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: Y
eah.
MS.
Yeah.
MR. N
O R R I S : TThey'll
h e y l l nneed
e e d tto
o ccoordinate
o o r d i n a t e with
w i t h Mr.
Mr.
MR.
NORRIS:
D u g a n . II kknow
n o w hhe
e hhas
a s ssome
o m e hhunting
u n t i n g t trips
r i p s ccoming
o m i n g uup;
p ; II jjust
u s t ddon't
ont
Dugan.
know w
h a t hhis
i s sschedule
c h e d u l e iis.
s.
know
what
MR. D
U G A N : TThis
h i s wwill
i l l iincrease
n c r e a s e my
m y hhours
o u r s bby
y aabout
b o u t 10.
10.
MR.
DUGAN:
THE C
O U R T : OOkay.
k a y . AAnything
n y t h i n g eelse?
lse?
THE
COURT:
MS.
M S . GERBER:
GERBER: N
No
o Y
Your
our H
Honor.
onor.
10
THE C
OURT: O
k a y . Well,
W e l l , the
t h e $2
$ 2 4,3
4 , 3 3322.5
. 5 77t hthat
a t tthe
h e sstate
tate
THE
COURT:
Okay.
11
i s seeking
seeking w
i t h rregards
e g a r d s tto
o aas
s rreasonable
e a s o n a b l e ccosts
o s t s of
o f pprosecution,
r o s e c u t i o n , um,
um,
is
with
12
II'm
m
II'm
m with
w i t h Mr.
M r . Kiyuna.
K i y u n a . I have
have a
a bbit
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MR.
NORRIS:
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16
T H E CCOURT:
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d e a l t with
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D A s office
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f o r your
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a n d things
things
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19
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20
MR. N
O R R I S : YYour
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MR.
NORRIS:
21
c h a r g i n g $2
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l l factored
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h o u r l y rate.
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M r . Dugan,
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i t cost
c o s t the
the
space
23
t a x payers
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t o give
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t h e tax
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p a y e r s money
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24
p r o v i d e support
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OURT: M
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THE C
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THE
COURT:
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s p a c i n g costs
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18
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MR.
MR. N
NORRIS:
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MR.
NORRIS:
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23
t i m e for
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m o t i o n s as
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w e l l , Your
Y o u r Honor.
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24
25
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OURT: O
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MS.
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o n o r , II ddidn't
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t a k e up
up
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t h i s motion
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t h e release
r e l e a s e and
a n d we've
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t h a t Mr.
Mr.
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10
e n d of
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p r o s e c u t i o ncosts;
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12
h e r e in
i n 15
15 m
inutes.
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minutes.
13
MS.
GERBER:
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E R B E R : II rremember,
e m e m b e r , jjudge.
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14
THE C
OURT: I
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15
MS.
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16
a s k tthe
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o u r t , um,
u m , to
t o just
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Esbensen
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17
t o ppay
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18
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19
i n c a r c e r a t e d , um,
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w h e r e you
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20
h o l d iitt in
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t h e y pay
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f i n e s ; but
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hold
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21
e n f o r c e m e n t ooff tthat
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22
ffinalized,
i n a l i z e d , um,
u m , there
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i s that
t h a t remedy
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a n d that
t h a t way
w a y his
h i s wife
w i f e is
i s not
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23
s i t t i n g there
t h e r e homeless.
homeless.
sitting
24
MR. N
O R R I S : I tIt's
s nnot
o t rrestitution.
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MR.
NORRIS:
25
T H E CCOURT:
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h a t iissue.
s s u e . II do
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w a n t tto
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t o Mr.
M r . Kangas,
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h a t II had
had
want
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t e s t i m o n y before
b e f o r e that
t h a t he
h e was
w a s well
w e l l liked
l i k e d and
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b e aable
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a s Mr.
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because
think
i t s restitution,
r e s t i t u t i o n ,but
b u tI Iwanted
w a n t e d to
t o put
p u t iti t on
o n the
t h e record
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Mr. E
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10
n o t my
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r a c t i c e , nor
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a m II ppersuaded
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n yt h i n g
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11
i n tthe
h e ccourt's
o u r t s order
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a n appeal,
a p p e a l , so
s o tthat
h a t is
i s denied.
denied.
in
12
MS. G
E R B E R : TThank
h a n k yyou,
ou, Y
our H
onor.
MS.
GERBER:
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13
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THE C
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m , bbefore
e f o r e II ggo
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14
w e v e got
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t h i s done
d o n e now,
n o w , II want
w a n t to
t o tell
t e l l both
b o t h of
o f you,
y o u , you
y o u do
do
we've
15
h a v e aa rright
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t o appeal.
a p p e a l . To
T o do
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o yyou
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to
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written
16
t h e Court
C o u r t of
o f Appeals
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Salem w
i t h i n 30
3 0 days
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n o t i c e to
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c o u r t . And
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t o go
go
notice
18
t a l k to
t o Sharon
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a n d we'll
w e l l going
going
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get
talk
19
a l l this
t h i s done,
d o n e , okay?
o k a y ? Thank
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yo u .
all
20
MR.
MR. K
KIYUNA:
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h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
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21
MR. D
U G A N : YYour
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o n o r , t hthis
i s i is
s DDugan,
u g a n , II'm
m ssigning
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ff.
MR.
DUGAN:
22
THE
COURT:
THE C
O U R T : AAlright,
h a n k you.
you .
23
MR. D
U G A N : TThank
h a n k yyou.
o u . Bye.
Bye .
MR.
DUGAN:
24
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(RECESS)
25
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : I I'm
m ggoing
o i n g tto
o hhave
a v e tto
o ccontinue
o n t i n u e tthis
h i s out
o u t with
with
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MOTION TO NOT SELL REAL PROPERTY W/O COURT APPROVAL

1
r e g a r d s to
t o signing
s i g n i n g the
t h e judgment.
j u d g m e n t . There
T h e r e are
a r e some
s o m e issues
i s s u e s as
as I
regards
i n d i c a t e d to
t o you
y o u before,
b e f o r e , Mr.
M r . Kangas.
K a n g a s . I've
I v e never
n e v e r done
d o n e aa RICO
RICO
indicated
b e f o r e and
a n d a lot
l o t cases
c a s e s don't
d o n tdo
d o RICO.
R I C O . There
T h e r e was
w a s aa RICO
R I C O ccase
a s e tthat
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j u s t came
c a m e out
o u t last
l a s t week
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t h e Supreme
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w i t h Clatsop
Clatsop
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n tthe
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in
is
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t e r m s . And
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h i n k when
w h e n tthey
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e r e ppreparing
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t h e computer
computer
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n o oone
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t h o u g h t about
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a s pprosecution
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e s t i t u t i o n or
or
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10
c o m p e n s a t o r y (INAUDIBLE).
( IN AU D IBLE ) .
compensatory
11
MS.
M S . GERBER:
G E R B E R : ((INAUDIBLE).
I N A U D I B LE ) .
12
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : . ....or
. o r ssomething
o m e t h i n g l like
i k e tthat.
h a t . SSo
o w
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13
and...
and...
14
M S . GERBER:
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k a y.
MS.
Okay.
15
MR.
NORRIS:
Your
Honor...
MR. N
ORRIS: Y
our H
onor...
16
T H E CCOURT:
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. w e l l ffigure
i g u r e oout
ut w
h a t iitt iis.
s.
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what
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MR.
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MR. N
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r d e r , tthen,
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18
s i n c e we
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e l a y iin
n tthe
h e jjudgment
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r d e r aand
n d tthe
h e ddefendant
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since
19
t o ddivest
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a n y oof
f hhis
i s rreal
e a l pproperty
roperty w
i t h o u t ccourt
o u r t aapproval.
pproval.
to
without
20
THE
T H E CCOURT:
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h , I I'll
l l oorder
r d e r tthat.
h a t . II m
mean
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d e f e n d a n t s motion
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e x p l a i n e d the
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M s . Gerber;
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s h e s in
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21
h e was
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b r i e f . So,
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t h a t was
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25
THE C
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t h a t s incorrect.
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d e l i v e r i e s and
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a x t e r , aare
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now?
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25
Mr. M
a c k e s o n aare
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m hhere.
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MR.
MACKESON:
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l o s t . So
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t h a t RICO
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i s a cconviction
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a s s o c i a t i o n of
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c r i m i n a l conduct
c o n d u c t itself,
i t s e l f , but
b u t that
t h a t association
a s s o c i a t i o n to
t o engage
e n g a g e in
in
specific
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c r i m i n a l conduct
c o n d u c t rrequires
e q u i r e s predicates.
p r e d i c a t e s . Predicates
P r e d i c a t e s can
c a n be
b e prior
prior
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c o n v i c t i o n s , um,
u m , and
a n d if
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t h e law
law a
a ppredicate
r e d i c a t e can
c a n be
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c o n v i c t i o n to
t o satisfy
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f o r the
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RICO,
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a l l on
o n sseparate
e p a r a t e dates
d a t e s as
a s alleged
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i n d i c t m e n t . So
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Mr.
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c o n v i c t i o n s plus
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r e d i c a t e s . So
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t h e basis
b a s i s of
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h e r jjeopardy
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argument.
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Well,
T H E CCOURT:
O U R T : AAlright,
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e l l , tthe
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for
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r e c o r d , I'm
I m not
n o t going
g o i n g to
t o recite
r e c i t e that
t h a t again
a g a i n here.
h e r e . But
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d o find
f i n d that
that
record,
18
t h e rracketeering
a c k e t e e r i n g and
a n d the
t h e iindividual
n d i v i d u a l predicate
p r e d i c a t e counts
c o u n t s for
f o r the
the
the
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d e l i v e r i e s they
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uum,
m , aand
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s e p a r a t e charges
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p p r o p r i a t e aand
n d II ddon't
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p p r o p r i a t e for
f o r granting
g r a n t i n g the
t h e motion,
m o t i o n , so
so
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the m
o t i o n s denied.
d e n i e d . And
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s o II'll
l l look
l o o k to
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t o submit
s u b m i t an
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o tthat
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f f e c t that
t h a t I'm
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d e n y i n g tthat
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lright?
order
motion,
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DUGAN: O
k a y.
MR.
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MOTION DENIED
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MOTION DENIED
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t h e court.
c o u r t . Thanks
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m u c h eeveryone.
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A C K E S O N : TThank
h a n k yyou.
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MR.
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MR.
ESBENSEN:
MR. E
S B E N S E N : TThank
h a n k yyou,
o u , jjudge.
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M R . DUGAN:
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o o d bbye.
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THE C
OURT: B
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THE
COURT:
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MOTION DENIED
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COURT TRANSCRIBERS
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I, Denise M. Woods, a Court Transcriber for the State of Oregon, do hereby
8 certify that I transcribed the audio recordings of the proceedings had upon the hearing of this
9 cause, previously captioned herein, before the HONORABLE PATRICIA A. SULLIVAN and
10 the HONORABLE GREGORY L. BAXTER, Judge of the Circuit Court of the County of
11 Malheur, State of Oregon; that I thereafter had reduced to typewriting the foregoing transcript;
12 consisting of Pages 1 through 2,000, both inclusive, constitutes a full, true, and accurate record
13 of the proceedings had upon the hearing of said cause, and of the whole thereof.
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19th day November, 2014.

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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE STATE OF OREGON

FOR THE COUNTY OF MALHEUR

Malheur County Trial Court

WILLIAM JAMES ESBENSEN, III,

VERDICTS OF COURT AS TO DEFENDANT KANGAS

DEFENDANTS REMANDED INTO CUSTODY

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