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A few months ago, we computed an interesting statistics. What is the median
time taken to complete PhD by students of different academic backgrounds. Posts
We divided students into three buckets - those who had joined after BTech
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(that is, four years of college), those who had joined after MSc/MA/MCom,
etc., (that is, five years of college), and those who had joined after MTech
(that is, six years of college). The time taken was defined as the time from first Followers
registration to submission of thesis.

We were surprised by the results. All three categories of students had a median
completion time of 5 years and six months (across all disciplines - students
after 5 years of college are common in sciences, humanities, and
management, and students after 4/6 years of college are common in
engineering).

To put the result in perspective, we used to have a requirement of minimum

10 courses for BTech graduates, 6 course for MSc graduates and 4 courses for
MTech graduates. Now, if we look at the BTech and MTech students, who
both are mostly getting admitted in engineering departments, a BTech
graduate is doing 3 semester course work and 4 years of research and writing
thesis, while an MTech graduate is doing 1 semester course work and 5 years
of research and writing thesis. So an MTech graduate is taking one extra Blog Archive
year of research even though s/he already has experience of conducting
research, has already written one thesis, and in many cases had a publication. 2015 (9)
2014 (11)
We don't fully understand the reasons behind this, though my own guess is December (1)
that the duration is based on the expectation of students and faculty members. November (1)
There is perhaps an expectation that PhD shall take 5-6 years irrespective of
October (3)
the academic background, and irrespective of the number of courses, etc. The
hope is that it is something else. May be it is because BTech graduates are Direct PhD after BTech
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they can complete their PhD, join a job and then worry about marriage and
family, while MTech graduates are two years older on an average when they Dropping Courses Late in
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join the PhD program and are more likely to marry and have family during
the PhD, which will provide some bit of distraction. July (3)
March (2)
Whatever it may be, it is quite clear that it is in the interest of BTech students
February (1)
to go for PhD directly, as they save 2 years. The only issue in the past has been
the long commitment of 5-6 years. It is difficult to make that commitment 2013 (2)
without understanding what you are getting into. 2012 (6)
2011 (33)
IIT Kanpur has made it easier for BTech students to make that commitment.
It is possible to leave the PhD program in between with an MTech degree if
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Another issue that we used to face earlier in our PhD recruitment was that Poor Hostel Facility for New
many good students did not give GATE which was a requirement for getting Students
financial assistantship. A few years ago, MHRD allowed that we could pay
from government funds, a stipend to graduates of IITs even if they did not Branch Change
have a GATE score. Recently, the IIT Council has decided that IITs can pay
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stipend to graduates of ANY Centrally Funded Technical Institute, even if they at IIT Kanpur
do not have a GATE score. CFTIs include NITs, IIITs, and a few other
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The last problem with PhD recruitment was that students would get a job in
December, while we will call them for interview in May, and by then they IIT Kanpur in JEE 2011
have already committed to join this job, the families are looking forward to a
gift from the first salary, they have asked their friends to find an apartment in Is Kanpur City a Liability for
that city, and so on. After so much of mental commitment to join the job, it is IIT Kanpur?
extremely difficult for them to apply for PhD, then come for an interview, and
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if selected, give up that job. are back to being very liberal

We are solving this problem by seeking applications now, in Review of Academic

October/November, and holding the interviews in December. We will make Programs Review
the offer within a few days of the interview for you to join in July, 2015. (In
fact, if your exams get over early, feel free to join in May itself, why waste Links related to IIT Kanpur
time, and why not start getting a stipend early.)
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7.5 (in case of BTech) and at least 7.0 (in case of Integrated MSc), and are Blogs by IITK Faculty
going to graduate in summer 2015, please apply for PhD admission to IIT
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Kanpur now. Since this is the first time we are doing it, only a few Sanghi
departments are taking part in this round of admission. These are: Computer JEE used to be student
Science and Engineering, Material Science and Engineering, Biological friendly
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27 comments:
aki sharma October 31, 2014 at 5:16 PM
My Cpi is 7.4 and I expect it to get more than 7.5 just after this sem.Can I
apply too?
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Kedar October 31, 2014 at 6:47 PM

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Dear Sir,

I agree that it is in the interest of BTech students to go for PhD directly,

except for one thing that you have not mentioned in your post. Some
institutes like IIT Bombay and IIT Kharagpur award both M.Tech and
Ph.D. degrees to these students on the completion of their programme,
while IIT Kanpur awards only Ph.D. and not M.Tech. May we know the
reason behind this policy?

A student ending up with Ph.D. after B.Tech faces problems when going for
career in academics in colleges that come under the purview of AICTE as
AICTE faculty norms explicitly mention the following -

Assistant prof - BE/BTech & ME/MTech with 1st class

Associate prof - Qualifications for assistant prof and PhD

Even overseas universities award both degrees on the completion of their

direct PhD programmes.
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Dheeraj Sanghi November 1, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Technically, you are eligible. We require 7.5 at the time of admission.
However, this is the first time we are offering admissions 7 months in
advance, and the admissions committee may want to be conservative this
time, and ask you to apply in April/May. So can't say, which way it will go.
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Dheeraj Sanghi November 1, 2014 at 1:24 PM

@Kedar, Giving out both MTech and PhD would mean satisfying both
MTech and PhD requirements, and therefore, you will end up spending
extra time. We don't have this option, because the difference between
MTech on the way to PhD and doing MTech and then PhD is very little, and
it essentially means that we pay PhD fellowship for MTech level activity at
least in few semesters. But we continuously look at our offerings and that of
other fine institutions, and keep updating our offerings.

As far as some institutions requiring MTech despite having a PhD, we

expect our graduates to get jobs in better institutions where such stupid
rules are not there.
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Angel November 3, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Dear Sir,

I am from mechanical department therefore whom should I contact the

dean of mechanical department or the individual faculties?
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Rajarshi Bhattacharya December 7, 2014 at 2:21 PM

sir, I am in my final year now, but came to know about you programme a bit
late because of which I could not apply. I have a CPI of 8.71. Can I apply
next year under without GATE criteria?
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Dheeraj Sanghi December 7, 2014 at 2:48 PM

@Rajarshi, you may write to the department. They might be able to hold
your test/interview at some other point in time.
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VIKRAM KUMAR Jaiswal December 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM
sir,as mentioned above that if one looses motivation one can drop the
course.
sir is their any min. credits or min year one has to devote before he/she is
eligible to achieve the MTech degree.
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Dheeraj Sanghi December 17, 2014 at 9:44 PM

I think it is either 5 semesters or 6 semesters. Basically the idea is
that you shouldn't be getting PhD level assistantship for 4
semesters and then suddenly decide to leave with an MTech,
while the person who joined the MTech program gets less than
half the assistantship.

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Shagun Varshney December 25, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Respected Sir,
I am currently a student of final year B.tech from Madan Mohan Malaviya
University Of Technology , Gorakhpur and I want to apply for the direct
PHD program after B.tech. When i searched for the same i found that the
last date of application was Nov 2014. Final year results along with Gate
score was also asked. As i will be appearing for Gate in 2015 and my final
year result will be accomplished in may 2015 so please guide me as to how
to apply for it.
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Dheeraj Sanghi December 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM

You can apply in March/April, 2015, just after the GATE result is
out.

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Ashutosh pokhriyal December 27, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Sir is there any phd opportunity for those who completed b.tech in 2013
from state university and does'nt given gate...
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Dheeraj Sanghi December 28, 2014 at 12:29 AM

You will need to give GATE.

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Deepak Patil January 18, 2015 at 5:33 PM

Sir is there any direct phd opportunity after B.Tech for those who have 5+
years of industrial experience & qualified gate score?
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 Dheeraj Sanghi January 19, 2015 at 11:13 PM
Yes, as long as you meet the academic requirements of direct
admission.

kavyom February 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM

Sir,
What are the essentials for the academic requirement?

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satya March 13, 2015 at 7:03 PM

Sir, is there any chance of applying for direct phd for 2010 pass out CFTI
student having industry experience.
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Saikumar Nagireddi March 14, 2015 at 4:07 PM

Respected sir,
I had completed B.tech in 2014 and given GATE in 2015 and got GATE
score of 639, i have CGPA above 8 during my B.tech, now i want to pursue
direct ph.d at IITK, how far this GATE score helps in getting a chance to do
ph.d?
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Pallela Kamalakar March 25, 2015 at 3:17 PM

Dear Sir,

I completed B.E from OUCE in ECE of 1998 - 2002. There after Ive been to
UK for MS and completed one year masters course in the Year 2006. since
then I am working with various organizations nationally and internationally.

However, recently I come to know that my MS is not valid due to its one
year course and hence to register a PhD they are asking me to do M.Tech
again.

I am already working with NAL (National Aerospace Limited) on a defense

project on Perching Mechanism with Prof. N. Chari (Adviser for Defense
Ministry and Technical adviser for NDRF). We along with our team
published a book in the recent times with NDRF.

Now, based on suggestion by Prof. N. Chari am I eligible to submit my

research work for PhD directly, since a good progress has been taken place.

I will be waiting for your reply.

Thanks and Regards,

Kamalakar
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Dheeraj Sanghi February 16, 2016 at 4:41 PM

IIT Kanpur does not accept research done elsewhere without the
status of a student for PhD. You have to be a student of IIT
Kanpur and go through all stages of PhD to get a degree.

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Divyanshu Sood December 5, 2015 at 12:08 PM
Dear Sir,

I am in final year of my Mechanical Engineering and my CGPA is 8.09 till

7th semester. Can I apply for this course without giving GATE?

I will be waiting for your reply.

Thanks and Regards,

Divyanshu Sood
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Dheeraj Sanghi February 16, 2016 at 4:39 PM

GATE waiver is only for CFTI students.

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Neha Bhatt February 5, 2016 at 11:17 AM

Sir I m Btech Chemical Passout 2014 batch. After that i am working as
assisstant manager in operations. I had also given GATE 2014 but score not
pretty good.

Can i Apply for P.hd at IITK now??

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Dheeraj Sanghi February 16, 2016 at 4:37 PM

If you had above the minimum specified marks/CGPA in BTech,
you can apply. But application is not a guarantee of admission.

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Dr Prasad February 16, 2016 at 11:44 AM

can a person who is B Tech and 15 years relevent industrial experience can
directly register for Ph D as an external candidate in any Indian UGC
recognised universities?
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Dheeraj Sanghi February 16, 2016 at 12:29 PM

Up to the institute/university. I know that IIT Kanpur admits
students to PhD directly after BTech.

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Sabyasachi March 11, 2016 at 4:31 PM

Dear Sir, I am a B.Tech Grad in ECE having 65% marks or 7.22 CGPA, 2015
passed out. But I am passionate in research works. I have a huge number of
project works in my B.Tech life. Now I have three international journal
publications and I am doing research on two more projects. currently I am
working as an Electronics Engineer in a Private Company (MNC) in Delhi in
which I have made the first product which is applied for US Patent. Sir I

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 want to pursue the doctoral study and design my career as an engineering
prof. Am i eligible to get admission in IITs ? one thing I want to tell you, I do
not believe in GATE score (just personal opinion). please tell me where and
how should I approach. thank you sir.
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