CAESAR II Online Video Training Bc TE Te emetic) SEPCeeESER Eaten! Home Page » Forums » Analysis Solutions » PV Elite » Stress ratio for Hydrotest You are not logged in. [Log In] Register User ForumList Calendar Active Topics V FAQ Topic Options © 1D stress ratio for Hydrotest 735379 05/14/10 03:33 AM Pury © rater Dear Moderator, seat Vette evaluates stress ratio for each compoent while calculating hydrotest es pressure, Chine {Ihave a vessel with manhole. Manhole is with blind, here in nozzle dialogue there is no provision for selecting bot material. Hence PVEiite isnot considering bot stress rato while computing hydrotest pressure and that results in higher test pressure Kindly sort out the issue as It has a high impact whaen deciding hydrotest pressure based on AWE Parev Desal ae 1 Re: Stress ratio for Hydrotest (a0: Pura) #35306 - 05/14/10 08:46 AM pai Hello Purav a Merber Inthe case of your manway, you probably dd not do separate calculation for the flange and blind cover (Lam assuming this). However, in V Elte you can do a Regard calculation for the flange and cover, but you have to do this by adding 2 body auger flange to te model, Temay look alte Gad in the 39 model, ut It wil perform tbe: Heuston, Tx the calculation without problem, Thave discussed the issue of bolt stress in another thread on the forum. When you initially assemble the flange and its mating cover (or other flange), you torque the bolts up to get a proper squeeze on the gasket. When you start to pressurise the system, the bolts stress does no really increase - it remains essentially the same, What happens is that the pressure on the gasket decreases. [At the hydrotest, the bolt stress is still about the same, but the pressure on the gasket decreases still further. So, the only thing you need worry about with the hyérotest, is that you do not get leakage, ‘Another this that may be surprising to you, Is that as the design phase, you use PV Elite which gives a bolt allowable stress of around 25 000 psi (172 MPa). But, when the flanges are assembled, the fitter must get the stress up to at least SO 000 ps) (344 MPa). That Is about the only way of preventing leakage. I learned this when I attended a flange seminar in New Orleans one year. Don't worry too much about the bolt stress, SA 193 87 material is almost unbreakable. It is a very fancy high strength steel. Sincerely, Ray Delaforce CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Intergraph Process, Power, & Marine INTERGRAPH’ Re: Stress rat vO tio for Hydrotest (as: tav Dalatorce) ‘#35¢24 - 05/17/10 03:17 AM Who's Online 0 registered (), 23, Guests and 1 Spider online. Kay: Admin, loos Noe, od dune ‘Su M Tu WTh F Sa 123 45678910 11:12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Forum Stats 11241 Members 14 Forums 14866 Topics 166944 Posts Max online: 61 @ 01/17/17 08:56 AMMonber Hello Ray, Regutred My question is very simple rest 30 Tene I want stress ratio of bolts to be considered while computing hydrotest pressure. Here, our suggestion isto add (ask) bolt material whenever blind is cnecked in nozale dialogue box Purav Desai tio for Hydrotest iss: Aun) ‘5459 - 05/47/10 09:52 an Purav, Menber ‘There is an interpretation from ASME wihich indicates that you do not nave Consider the bolt stress ratio forthe standard flanges, but only forthe appendix 2 segue flanges. ‘ahisies eat 373 trac Here is that interpretation, Interpretation: VItie1+89-287 ‘Subject: Section VIII, Division 1 (1986 Edition, 1988 Addenda), UG-99(b) Date Issued: March 14, 1981 File: BC85-319 Question: Under the provisions of UG-99(b), may the ratio (S test temperatures design temperature) for the Dating material be Used in calculating the requirea hycrostatic test pressure iit rests n the lowest rato forthe material of which the vessel 1s constructed for (1) bolted ange connections designed per Appendix 2? {2) boites flange connection which comply with an ANSI product standard or @ Manufacturer's standard as permitted in UG-11? Reply (yes {2} No; the limiting hydrostatic test pressure shall be established in accordance withthe applicable standard So, the real question is what kind of flange do you have attached on the end of the flange. Ir itis a custom flange, then Ray's post above s appropriate. Other wise for standard flanges the above interpretation provides guidance to Ignore the bot Best Regards, Mandeep Singh Intergraph CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Inc G Re: Stress ratio for Hydrotest ifs: vandeopsinoh) {99522 - 05/20/10 04:01 AM uray 8 Dear Ray/Mandeep, Member rpms: | WE Mave also referred to follwing ASME interepretation; res30 berina's | Interpretation: VITI-1-83-128 Subject: Section VIII, Divisions 1 and 2, UG-99 and AT-300, Consideration of Bolting Material Date Issued: April 28, 1983, File: BC83-072 Question (1): In establishing hydrostatic test pressures in accordance with UG-99 of Division 1 and Article T-3 of Division 2, shall the allowable stress of bolts be considered?Reply Kindly check & revert: (ay: Yes. Purav Desal | Re: Stress ratio for Hydrotest (a0: Pura] #35533 - 05/20/10 09:32 AM ndeep Singh g Puray, a Member ‘There is a distinction between the bolts on the "standard" flange w/s bolts on a custom flange. Registered i 22/15/99 Uber Houston, Tx, Best Regards, Mandeep Singh Intergraph CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Ine. INTERGRAPH’ i Re: Stress ratio for Hydrotest (ae: Mandeep siach] 1735544 - 05/21/10 02:07 AM ars Member Mandeep , agtere Can u please elaborate the difference between bolts on the “standard” flange v/s fesiotred bolts on a custom flange.? te LeT.Gujrat India 1 understand Interpretation: VIII-1-83-128 is applicable for bolts on any flange. [As per Interpretation: VII-1-89-287,the limiting hydrostatic test pressure shall be established in accordance with the applicable standard...can w please clarify which standard??? Rawar Gupta larc | Re: Stress ratio for Hydrotest ge: ARG] #35560 - 05/21/10 08:38 AM ndeep Singh So Sure ARG, ember ‘The clue is in the interpretation that I references, VIII-1-89-287 Repistred ‘There are 2 types of flanges quoted in this interpretation, the 1st one is the custom Pore flane, meaning that you would perform an ASME Appendix 2 analysis to check the Ceerheustn, 1, | flange, ‘The 2nd one is @ standard flange, such as 816.5 or 816.47, where you select the flange based on class, grade and get pressure rating from a table. Per this interpretation, the answer is to consider the bolt stress ratio for a custom flange and not for a standard flange (1) boltes flange connections designed per Aapendix 27 (2) bolted flange connection which camply with an ANSI product standard or @ Manufacturer's standard as permitted in UG-11? Reply: (a) Yes, (2) No; the limiting hydrostatic test pressure shall be established in accordance with the applicable standardBest Regards, Mandeep Singh Intergraph CADWorx & Analysis Solutions Inc, INTERGRAPH’ © Previous Topic ||@ Index|/Next Topic @) Moderator: ls Saniuan, Mandees Singh, Ray Dalaforce, Sct MaVEUX op tg; PV Elite ie Privacy statement - Board Rules - Mark all read GooG_v2_copy_cony_copy Contact Us - Home Page - Top. (Geverated in 0.285 seconds in which 0.288 seconds were spent on a total of 13 queries, Zlib compression dsabed Fowered by UBB threads” PHP Forum Software 7.3.7