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...jump into the recording.

Answer
Mhmm

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Because last time I...just spent 13 minutes recording...that was bad. Uhm,
How have you been doing since last time we talked?

Answer
Uhm, better since last time because I was actually...I knew what day, what time to hand it in, so I
was not as stressed because I still haven't been placed. But I was placed in a preschool and they go
on holidays for two weeks so I couldn't do my practicum in that two weeks. So therefore, I had to get
an extension on the top of- to finish. Be able to finish my practicum. So...

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Yeah, last time you were upset.

Answer
Yeah. I was, I was.

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Yeah, so now you feel better?

Answer
Oh yeah, of course. [inaudible] But I've been checking every day and there's no grade mark on there,
so.

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Did they tell you...when it will be post?

Answer
No. So I think maybe this afternoon I'll email the teacher and see.

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Could you please let me know when you get the result?
Answer
Yeah, no worries.

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I just want to know, uh, I'm not really interested about the result itself. I'm interested about how do
you feel about it.

Answer
Yes.

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All right, so if you can let me know how much you got and what do you think...?

Answer
Yeah

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...about it. In terms of, you're happy or not happy for some reason. So you'll tell me [inaudible]
whatever happen. So today we will focus primarily about you as a learner. What have you
discovered about yourself? In terms of learning by yourself and not having lectures.

Answer
I think I definitely need that person in front like, in the room talking. I think I respond well to the
answer the questions there in the moment. I can answer them or I can give another question. And to
hear other people's thoughts too is really nice. And can sort of make you think about your own
thoughts and compare the two and stuff like that. I just...that I like to be in that room and then to
think about that subject at that time type of thing, so...

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Okay, and...you thought...so you do find that it really suits your learning style...?

Answer
No, no it doesn't. I think if I didn't have any background information on this topic, I would struggle
big time. But because I had that information from [inaudible] I didn't..I didn't like, struggle as bad,
type of thing. But which I'm thankful that I didn't struggle, but, you know, so...

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Okay

Answer
Yeah
Question
All right, and uhm...I want to know how did the structure or the design of this unit change the way
you learn.

Answer
It didn't really change the way I learned. It made me try to adapt, but it didn't, I didn't adapt.
Basically it...it's a teaching subject. It should be taught with a teacher in front of you because that's
what we're going to do. We're going to teach children in front of us, not through a computer. And
the next course that follows this one is the same Flick learning.

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You're taking this semester?

Answer
Yeah, so that's fantastic too. No, uhm...I don't know. It's, it's hard that you've been doing a certain
thing with the teacher being at the front, then you teaching inside a classroom full. Since primary
school to high school to...then I went to Tathe and then all of a sudden, hold on a second, only once
a week we come to- sorry twice. Once every fortnight we come to a classroom to have that little
discussion. Which I don't find much value in, because there's so much she's trying to teach that
week. When other people have questions for the other week that she"

"Answer
Little discussion, which I don't find much value in because there's so much she's trying to teach that
week, when other people have questions for the other week that she wasn't there. It's all mumbled.
Like it's not as interacting because shes trying to give out the content.

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Do you think that the on line content is not that valuable, or its too much, or?

Answer
Its valuable to people who can be able to sit there for 3, 4 hours to go through it. But honestly, not
many people have that much time to sit there in front of the computer and read through it. And you
may read through it and it is valuable and I'm not gonna lie it is valuable. But there's other
distractions. You've got family life, you've got errands. It's not practical, it's not. 4 hours out of
every day just to try to get through that class, it's not.

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So lets focus maybe more about Natalie, and why its impractical for you, Do you have other things
to do?

Answer
Yeah, I have other things, like I have other commitments and like chores around the house. Because
it's only me and my dad. So we, my Dad works long hours, so I'm basically the one who does
everything around the house. So I don't really have time to like sit down and do this, because I know
I have to do this, this, and this and this. Like I have a list in my head that I know I need to get
through.

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Do you work too?

Answer
Yeah I work too at nights. So I'm running around all the time, trying to get everything done by a
certain time, and then get ready for work and go type of thing.

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How many hours do you work?

Answer
I work, I dunno, maybe 10 hours, no more then that, 20 hours. I don't work much but yeah.

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And how many units?

Answer
I have 4 units, yeah so.

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So you find it hard to manage?

Answer
Yeah because I want to come to Uni and learn at Uni. Ive made time to come to Uni. Whatever the
time table says, I'm here. Here and I'm learning, there's no other distractions at home, there's no
other distractions. When I'm here' I'm here. But when I'm at home. I'm not totally with my
homework, or with my the like flip learning work, like I'm not totally there.

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So are you trying to say that you're not independent in your learning, or you are?

Answer
Oh, maybe not in my learning. Like I'm independent in other things. And I need to be independent
in other things. So like in home life and in work and getting everything ready. That just comes
before the work. Its hard but that, it comes before Uni because thats what I have to do. There's, no
one else is going to do it type of thing so its only me like. So, yeah.

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Alright, so if we go back to the learning and why you think that you cant be independent.
Answer
Not that I can't be independent. It's just that there's other things that go, that I'm thinking about, lick
ticking them off: I need to do this this and this and I have a certain time to do this and a certain time
to do the homework and that. But honestly like its just a pain to go to read through the whole
content. And get, try to get every thing done, its really a pain.

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OK this is what I am looking for. Why do you think its a pain?

Answer
Oh

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Take your time.

Answer
Oh no. I guess its just a pain because I know I'm spending money to go to Uni and the class is not
being delivered every second week, thats a pain. So the content I have to get through is on the
computer at home. Its just"

"Answer
The class will be delivered every second week. That's okay. So . . . the content that I have to get
through is on the computer at home. I need that person in front of me speaking. The way I learn is
that when I hear someone talk. I can listen. I can understand that more than reading something and
then making a few notes. I need that verbal . . .someone there verbally speaking . . . because that's
how I learn. So, it gets a bit frustrating . . that i might be reading . . .that I might be taking the time . .
. but, not everything is going in because I am not understanding properly because it is just their
words.

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So . . . let's say that if we add . . . assuming that there is an online lecture.

Answer
Yeah. That would be good.

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Are you saying that the same amount of time that you would rather have it face to face than when it
is recorded?

Answer
Yeah. And in that way, I can pause it or I can stop it. Go do a couple of things. Come back to it. Like .
. .it's not where . . .like... with online reading, it's just chunks and chunks of texts of reading that you
had to read through . . . where if it was like verbal . . . I can sit there and I can listen. I can pause it.
Maybe, write a couple of notes if I need to. Then start it again and keep going. I think that would be
beneficial. Very beneficial.

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Were you going to go back to the meeting yesterday, or were you going to say: Okay, that's enough
for me

Answer
If I needed more clarification from the lecture, maybe I would do the rating . . . but, the lecture
would be my main priority . . . to get through to . . . listen and understand. Me . . . personally . . . if
there was lecture or rating. I would definitely do lecture and not the rating.

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Why? Because even within the lecture . . . [??] the verbal indication would not be nearly as
comprehensive as the reading right?

Answer
Yeah.

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So the lot of information would not be as soon as if it was written.

Answer
I think I would understand more through the lecture and then to sit down and read the notes. I
would read the notes if I am not one hundred percent on the information in the lecture to clarify,
but if I understand the lecture, then not. But, if I understand the lecture and if I further want to
learn more about a certain subject, I would read up on it.

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Okay. How much time did you spend learning this particular unit . . . learning . . . compared to the
other units.

Answer
Not much time. Because I knew I had background information, and I had other subjects that I didn't
know much about. So . . . I put them on top of this subject, but I shouldn't have, because this subject
is what I want to do. And this flip learning is like . . .

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Starting the venue . . .

Answer
Yes.
Answer
Umm. Hmm."

"Question
It says here that you are an asset to the course . . .

Answer
Mm-hmm.

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But at the same time you don't like the, the, the way the structure of this unit. So.

Answer
No.

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I'd like to know, even though you stressed that you need that teacher to be there.

Answer
Yeah.

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What other difficult aspect, problem or issues that hindered or stopped your learning in this unit?
Uh-hmm.

Answer
What do you mean? I don't understand.

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Okay. Uh-hmm since the first time I interviewed you with the, the group, if you remember.

Answer
Mm-hmm.

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You, you had this negative attitudes about the way the unit is designed.

Answer
Yeah.
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And, um, first I want to know if there is any change?

Answer
No, there is no change.

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So, this same position . . .

Answer
I'm, I'm less aggravated because I've done the course now. But, 'cause at first it was a shock because
that was my first semester at year(?) and I was thinking that everything was gonna be just that year
and everything was going to be fine and, and then they throw that, like, a spear(?) in the works and
then you, you realize, hang on a second. This is not right.

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So, now you've taken another course that is using the same concept.

Answer
Yeah, and I'm gonna argue, too. Because there's, like, they have to hear it. I know they don't want to
hear it, but they have to hear that, they have to hear that some complaints.

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Mm-hmm.

Answer
Not everyone can sit back and just take what's happening. Like, yeah. So, um, I'm gonna be the one
that sits there and be's like, well. Because the, it's such, it's a teaching course. You don't teach from
the computer. You teach in person. It's like . . .

Question
All right. So, but don't you think that this is very risky. Because this is the second course that you're
taking and uh, don't you think you need to adapt to this environment?

Answer
For, for, to a certain extent, yes. I would need to. But, I'm not gonna just adapt and, and be done
with it. I'm going to take a stand because this is my learning.

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Okay.
Answer
This is, it's not, this is not something, this is going to be my life. What I'm going into. What I'm
learning. This is going to be my future. I'm not gonna just sit down and just, and just do whatever
they say type of thing. I, I need to express what I feel and see if I can, I can change something. But . .
.

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What would your message be like?

Answer
I'm gonna just say not everybody learns the same way. Everyone learns differently and this is a
teaching course and for you to have every second awake a flip learning. We yes, you go through the
content with us but we also watch how you teach and how you teach doesn't, that's how we're
gonna have to try to teach and if, that's, that's not, that's not there. That's, we're gonna be hands on
learners, they're not being hands on. It's like, they tell you to do this, but they do that. They do the
other thing. They do something completely different. So.

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Okay. Um again, I'm playing devil advocate here.

Answer
Mm-hmm.

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Don't. don't you think the University, or the University life is all about independence and being
responsible for your own learning.

Answer
It, it is independence. I understand that. But . . .

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In this unit, particular unit it tries to, um, put this into practice. That you do your work online.

Answer
Mm-hmm.

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And from there you complete your reading.

Answer
Mm-hmm.
Question
And you come to class with questions and discussion and I need to understand, uh, what is your view
of responsibility in the, in, in this circle.

Answer
You have a responsibility to do the online stuff, You, you have to do your independent learning, like,
for you to better yourself and to better your education. I understand. But, what also is, at, at first
week I was okay. I did the online learning. I felt okay. I was all right coming, coming to class the
fortnight and, and only a couple of people"

"ANSWER
but also is um--at first, first week, I was okay. I did the online learning. I felt okay, I was alright
coming to class, the ??00:13, and only a couple did the online stuff, so that was discouraging. And
then um next week, online stuff and the week after, come to class. And only, only one or two
people did the online learning, so there was no discussion about the week of the, like the week of
the online learning, basically, because only a couple people did it.

So really its basically were having, were only having like a class every second week with
no middle class because only a couple people did the online.

And I understand that we, as the learner, we have the responsibility to to do it, but it is also very
discouraging when you do it, but the teacher has to go through that that week of learning in the
time of the other week of, like a new week of learning.

QUESTION
Yeah, so are you trying to say that the focus remains with the weeks that you have face-to-face
tutorials, but you have the week that is falling online, its not well-covered

ANSWER
No, yeah, yeah.

QUESTION
Okay, alright. And uh, what do you think will make you more disciplined and committed to the
online material? Let me confirm that after the first couple of weeks, you havent accessed the
online materials.

ANSWERED: I, I accessed, I accessed it to see what was being taught that week, like I would look
through, just quickly clicked through everything, looked through the headings and see if I--I need the
information, so I didnt actually do the um, after the first couple of weeks.

QUESTION
After that?

ANSWER
I just, I just kept looking, making sure that I knew, knew--I understand, you know,t he topic that was
on that week, and I did, so there was really no point.
QUESTION
Mm-hm.

ANSWER
Um if I wanted to further, further my understanding of the topic, there was information there, so I
could, I could read it if I had time or if I wanted to--I watched some of the videos that were on there
because she put videos on and thats how I learned, so I skipped all the reading and watched the
videos.
Um I found that okay, like I found that valuable, but

QUESTION
So youre kind of a visual learner?

ANSWER
Yeah.

QUESTION
Or you need that virtual

ANSWER
I need someone, that voice, if if I sit down and listen to someone talk and like without writing down,
I would take more from that than sitting down and writing. Thats just how--Im a verbal, I
need that, I need that ??03:32 like that.

QUESTION
Yeah, one of the students I [tutored?], she said that Im a social learner.

ANSWER
Social, yeah.

QUESTION
I really like the name and I think I will use it in my thesis.

ANSWER
Yeah.

QUESTION
So you like this social aspect of learning.
ANSWER
Yeah, yeah.

QUESTION
Instead of doing it by yourself.

ANSWER
Yeah.

QUESTION
So you need this kind of intellectual communication

ANSWER
Yeah.

QUESTION
and argument.

ANSWER
Yeah, exactly. Arguments, um anything, anything that I can have a point of view on and I can
verbally announce that, and and then see how that goes, like have that reaction straight away from
the teacher. I can verbally see her, her um--not verbally, I could, like I could see her facial expression
and her--its just it gets me interested and gets me connected with the content.

QUESTION
Okay. Lets say that if there was like some sort of marking for the online materials,

ANSWER
Mm-hm.

QUESTION
would you be more committed?

ANSWER
Well, you would have to be.

QUESTION
Okay.

ANSWER
If it was marking, yeah, you would have to be.
QUESTION
Okay.

ANSWER
One of my subjects had a um quiz every week on the, on the um, online, where you had to go on and
complete the quiz. And you had to do it or thats it.

QUESTION
And that was fine.

ANSWER
Yeah.

QUESTION
Okay. Alright, but since its like kind of optional"

"Answer
Online, but you had to go on and complete the quiz and you had to do it [inaudible] and that's it.

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[inaudible]

Answer
Yeah.

Question
All right, but since it's a slight kind of, optional right there, you don't feel like doing it because it's
boring?

Answer
It's not boring. It's just because you already know. You've already sat down and you already learned
the content. I feel like because I already know the stuff being taught, I don't need to sit down again
and reread what I already know, type of thing. And in that time that if I do reread, I could be doing
another subject or other assessments in that time that it takes me to reread something that I already
know. For me, I feel like that's a bit of wasting time and I don't have much time so I need- I need to
prioritize.

Question
Okay. [inaudible] For the first and second assignment- for the last trivia that we had, I think you did
some sort of independant learning by reading on your own and checking on some other resources.
So, what is different between what you have done in the assignment and the online learning? And
I'm sure that you did the same thing with the second assignment?
Answer
Yeah, the second assignment- I didn't use any of the online stuff. For the first assignment, I did.

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But you did it yourself, right?

Answer
Yes.

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You did your research.

Answer
Yeah.

Question
And you went to [inaudible] online?

Answer
And I had to look- yeah, I went to the library, I looked online and I also skimmed through the online
stuff, but it didn't give me the information that I need for my certain topic of the first assessment.
So, I had to do mainly [inaudible].

Question
So, here you're trying to say something here I don't want to hear from you. Why is it working here,
but it's not working on the other part of the unit?

Answer
Because the assessment is more practical. It's more where you're hands-on and you're with the
children and I feel confident in that aspect of the education. Like, hands on. Where as the essay
writing- you need that information to back up your argument. So, you needed that online
information to support your own information that you created through the assessment.

Question
So, purpose is what you're trying to say here?

Answer
Yeah.
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[crosstalk]

Answer
Purposeful for the assessments, for sure. For the first assessment- the essay because that was- that's
an essay. I have a problem with the essay, too. We shouldn't be doing essays in a teaching- because
you don't...

Question
But you are at a university...

Answer
Yeah, I know. [crosstalk] I know. That's the thing. Yeah, from the essay to the second assessment for
the practicum- big difference in- like,my stress levels, a big difference. The second assessment, I felt
like- the observations, we had to do 10 observations. The were a bit tedious because they were big
observations, but other than that, writing the second assessment- writing through it, I felt that was
good. I can't say it was easy, but it was easier than the essay because I feel more confident in the
practical work of child care than writing.

Question
You were able to refelect on your own work?

Answer
Yeah and I was able to see the improvement of my focus child, which made me feel good because I
had contributed to her learning.

Question
Okay. I would like to ask about the transition from [inaudible] to university and I think you were"
"Asker: I would like to ask about the transition from TAFE to university, and I think you're one of the
good candidates for this question. How did you find the transition between TAFE to America?

Answer
There was a big difference, the way the assessments were handed out in TAFE, compared to uni,
there was a big difference. In TAFE, the teachers kind of went through the assessments with you,
and sort of just clarified everything that was written on the assessment, where, uni just gives you the
assessment and then basically, it's more independent, uni. They basically give you the assessment
and you take it. I feel like TAFE had more, definitely heaps more support, network, and the teachers
are more supportive, than uni, and I feel like uni, it's... There's no, the teacher, there's no, that, it's
basically the teachers teach, and then they go. Where, TAFE, was more of, more social type of
learning, as well. You have that connection with the teachers at TAFE, where uni, you sort of, there's
like a, invisible wall between the teacher and the students.

Question
So do you think that at TAFE, teachers know your name?
Answer
Yeah.

Question
Who you are?

Answer
Yeah.

Question
But here, it's kind of limited.

Answer
Yeah.

Question
And do you think this affects your learning?

Answer
Yeah. Because that's how I learn, I need that social, too.

Question
Is that happening only a few hours in play, or all the units?

Answer
All of the units, I don't think any of the teachers knew my name. It was very... They teach, they go,
they teach, they have a couple...

Question
Do you think the size of the class is a factor?

Answer
No. Because TAFE had bigger classes, still had that connection, TAFE, I think we had maybe 40
children in one class, and here we only have maybe 25, 30, so, it's not the size of the class.

Question
Okay. So you find it different, and how are you planning to adapt to this? Or, have you already
started adapting?
Answer
Through the beginning of this semester to the end of the semester, I've definitely adapted a bit,
likely, I haven't adapted completely. I think it will take me awhile to fully adapt to how uni is. And
how it's run, and how everything works. But, I've adapted, you have to, because at the end of the
day, you are in charge of your own learning. So you need to try to... Try to... Go their way.

Question
Alright. So, go their way?

Answer
Like, go the uni way.

Question
What is your way, then?

Answer
I would like more verbal discussions. Like, I know there's... I don't know... I don't know. It's just,
yeah. I can't explain it, it's so hard. I think time is a bit of an issue, too. Like, the teachers at uni have
to deliver the content. And for them to deliver the content there might be little to no discussion to
deliver, but the content. So, it's just different, it's different from TAFE. And then that's where I'm
like, I'm not in TAFE anymore. I need to adapt to this learning. And that's what I've been trying to do,
through the first semester.

Question
And how do you feel, that, your learning, is it progressing? What have you learned about yourself, as
a learner?"

"Question
Your learning is it progressing? What have you learned about yourself as a learner?

Answer
I've learned that I need to put myself in two conversations through Uni. And that when there is
conversation, I need to speak up. I need to involve myself a bit more than I have been. I don't know
if this really counts but the first semester I was on the I-pad tying. I feel like if I hand write it I, feel
like if I retained a lot more information. So I've decided to hand write this semester. So, it's about
trying new things.

Question
Exactly.

Answer
And seeing if you learned. Which way helps you learn. I know Bernie, Bernie likes to color code
things, that's how she learns. I think I need to sort of try to find a new way for me to learn as well.
Question
I think you're a word person.

Answer
Yes, so I'm gonna hand write. I'm pretty sure Ill get more out of Uni if I hand write.

Question
Okay. Let me ask you this question, before we move on to another topic. Now you're taking another
course with difficult learning. Are you planning to be the same? To do the same and just ignore the
online materials?

Answer
I'm gonna give it a go. I will give it a go and I'll give it an honest one hundred percent go. In the first
couple weeks I'll do it. I don't know if I'm going to know the content of this subject, so, I'm gonna try
my hardest. And I'm going to so the online stuff. And its a new teacher I still need to sort of see how
she teaches, her style of teaching. But yeah, I'll give it a go. But probably-

Question
Do you think that you will say 'I managed to pass this course with minimum effort I would do the
same thing with this?

Answer
A little. But see i don't know much about the next subject so.

Question
Childhood development?

Answer
Pedagogical Learning.

Question
Is it the same instructor?

Answer
I'm pretty sure. Introduction to Pedagogical Leadership. It's a two hour tutorial. There's no lectures
but that would be.

Question
You don't have to mention the person but is she the same or?
Answer
No, its a different person. I haven't met her. I have the class tomorrow, the first class. But its a
different person.

Question
What do you like in life?

Answer
Whoa!

Question
Something that you are very interested in. Something that you think of frequently and you love to
do.

Answer
I like to be outdoors.I like to be, when I have free time I like to go, and see. And I like the
environment. I like, I like, yeah. Is that they type of question you, answer you were thinking?

Question
Okay so you enjoy hiking?

Answer
Yeah, I love hiking yeah.

Question
So lets say that you haven't heard about the three sisters in Beaumont. This is the first time you
hear. You feel that you need to go there and that you need to learn about that place before you go.
What would you do? You know where I'm going?

Answer
Yeah. I would go find. Me personally, I would go find pear flips or go to an information center int he
Blue Mountains and I would ask for information from them. That's how I would go. I wouldn't go on
the internet. I would ask friends if they've heard anything about three sisters and what's it like."

"Answer
I wouldnt go on the internet I wouldnt go look anything up umm I would ask friends if they
heard anything about three sisters and whats it like and um and then would go and I know that
there would be information there that I could read on blocks and stuff like that thats how I
would go about it.

Question
ok um so you would read something right, and you would also go and ask a person how the
background is alright so have you tried to use this strategies learning in a university type of
environment would you do the same thing
Answer
how wouldnt the person that knows about it be the class teacher like knows about a particular
topic

Question
for example larice and umm the other person..

Answer
Bernie we always..we communicate with each other we put our views and with their good support
and network we all have the same education through taff and we know other things so we go to
each other for clarification and then if we dont know we will have to find more information so
go through textbooks or online to look

Question
ok by the way your friends are taking the same courses as you or

Answer
yeah

Question
ok so you consult together, alright so just speaking what motivates your learning, what motivates
[intangible] learning

Answer
what motivates my learning.. I feel more strongly about children about teaching children because
they are going to be the future of our world and I wanna be.. I want to be that hands on teacher that
is able to umm learn and experience stuff with them and teach them and I really.. I feel passionate
about teaching children and so that motivates my learning because this is what Im hear for this
is my education, Im here to get an education to be able to teach children be like my dream job

Question
that sounds wonderful to me and uhh do you think you are on the right track

Answer
yeah I believe Im on the right track. I know Ive got the qualification as an diploma student to
teach children but I want to be able to go further and I want to be able to maybe run a child care
center or and be able to put my own values into a child care center and have a very umm just like
a have an impact on childrens lives a positive way

Question
and do you have that chance to meet some over the [intangible]
Answer
yeah definitely I could see the improvement of the child and it makes you feel so good cause you
improved that childs development and improve the learning and to seecause my child she
didnt talk much she was very shy and then she started to open up and she was um..with my
assistants she was able to make a friend and that was just the.. it was so nice

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and I believe you obtained a lot of information from that

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yeah yeah so that assessment I felt comfortable with that assessment that what you would have to
do in the service anyway when you working so its something thats practical I can see an
improvement and I can see how my learning is coming through and its just a good feeling it has
that good feeling

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thats great and do you think that the flip learning has anything to do with what you have gained
and learned?

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no

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why?"

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[inaudible]

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That's great. Do you think that the Flip learning has anything to do with what you have gained and
learned?

Answer
No.[?]

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Alright. Do you think if you had the chance to cover the online materials would you think differently
or still he same?

Answer
That's hard because I haven't done it. Maybe I would think differently but honestly maybe a little
different but still it's...
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You strongly believe the [social aspect?]?

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Yes.

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Seven questions and none of them work.

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Sorry.

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It's alright. Actually I enjoyed the conversation. I was able to learn a lot of things from your point of
view. To sum up our interview discussion; How would you suggest the Flip learning to be like?

Answer
I would like the teachers to take into consideration different types of people's learning. Instead of
just putting up all people's text stuff online maybe put more videos, more voice recordings, or see
that there's not one way of learning. People don't all learn the same way. I know it's easier for them
to just put text up but it's not easy for some students to just read through text and try to get the
same result as everyone else.

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A mix of--

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A mix of stuff. Also it doesn't get as boring that way. If it's just all text you're reading through
everything and you get bored. If it's maybe a text and a video, a voice recording, it mixes it up and
doesn't make it as plain. To keep your attention and keep the motivation to get through it.

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Great. Would you like to add anything else?

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No not really.

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Okay I'll just shut this off."