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Lindemann:
Ne uvek, ali konkretno u ovom slucaju, da.
:)
...................Ahahahaaha...i opet mi ništa nisi dao....lol...smešno jel
da???Sada si samo izrekao još veću količinu nebuloza, stoga sada mi daj
još više objašnjenja, jer si mnogo tvrdiš...ali malo ...ma kakvi malo...ništa
ne potkrepljuješ ...tužno ... :'(
A što se tiče tvog korišćenja ,,elementarne,, logike ..haha..kako je tek
koristiš kada nisi u elementu ... :смех :)
Šalu na stranu, ako se to zove logika, onda za glupost treba da se nadje
nov termin ....
Znas zasto je ova rasprava besmislena Grigorije? Zato sto, sta god ja
napisao, ti ces naci neko objasnjenje, ali samo nikada neces priznati da
nisi u pravu. Ti polazis od toga da Biblija ne moze sadrzati kontradikcije
zato sto tako verujes i na tome baziras sve ostale zakljucke. Tako, ti ces
reci da nije rec o kontradikciji vec o dopunjavanju, iako nemas ni trunku
dokaza da je pisac jevandjelja mislio ista slicno.
.................Kao što sam već rekao, optužujete druge za ono što vi činite, i
ti sada propovedaš nešto što sam radiš, zaključio si i čvrsto odlučio da je
Biblija mit, i da ima kontradikcije, i nema druge..ne razmatraš čak ni
mogućnost da možda nisi u pravu ...sa druge strane, već ti je rečeno,
Biblija IMA grešaka, nije savršena knjiga, već je dat svetski priznat
rezultat da unutar Biblije 99% teksta je relijabilno, relevantno i
autentično, a otprilike 0.5 odsto Biblijskog teksta sadrži greške....(ovih
ostalih 0.5 procenata su još u toku ,,dekodiranja,, ) ali kontradikcije nisu
jedne od njih ....ponavljam, KONTRADIKCIJE NISU JEDNE OD GREŠAKA U
BIBLIJI ....i zašto bih ja to rekao, kada toga NEMA, evo debatuju non stop
o tome, stavljam ti klipove VRHUNSKIH TOP AKADEMICA i profesora koji
se ceo život bave ovim, i koji debatuju na ovu temu, ša što ne gledaš
čoveče Božji?Pa glavni Biblijski akademik našega vremena, eto ti i na
wikipediji pogledaj, TOP VODEĆI AKADEMIK N.T Wright, i čak šta više
liberalni i nehrišćanski akademici su mu dali taj nadimak, skraćenicu od
Nikolas Tomas WRIGHT, kao sinonim za N.T Wright, odnosno New
Testament WRIGHT ...tj. kao sinomim zai implikacija za PRAVILNO
TUMAČENJE NOVOG ZAVETA ....i Danijel Walas, i njegov istraživački tim,
JEDINI AUTORITET I ISTRAŽIVAČ I VODJA ISTRAŽIVAČKOG SVETSKOG
TIMA za Biblijske tekstove, autentičnost i relijabilnosti istih ..sve vodeći
stručnjaci govore o ovim stvarima, i ti ovo ignorišeš....
Амин!
grigorije:
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm
http://www.ovrlnd.com/Apologetics/101contradictions.html
grigorije:
Dealing with claims of Bible ‘contradiction’
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Published: 2 June 2012 (GMT+10)
Skeptics come up with Bible contradiction claims all the time—from the
superficially plausible to the supremely preposterous. How do we deal
with them? CMI’s Lita Cosner and Jonathan Sarfati give us some
principles to help us realize that the skeptics do not deserve the benefit
of the doubt. The third response explains what the Bible means by “God
is light”.
Dear Isaac,
As we said in the link, we don’t get into specifically refuting every single
supposed ‘contradiction’ atheists can think of, because that would be
very time-consuming, and there are other resources that cover these
things. I presume you’ve searched creation.com for the Creation and
Flood issues; they’re all covered on our site and you should be able to
find them easily on our Q&A pages.
Some general principles that should help you with most of these
supposed contradictions:
Sincerely,
Lita Cosner
Dear Mr F.
Mr Grigg, the author of the linked article, was perfectly aware of this
rabbinic argument (gematria) when he wrote the article. For some
background, Mr Grigg was responding to an argument in the anti-
creationist book by the atheist Ian Plimer. He gave alleged pi=3 as ‘proof’
that the Bible is wrong, and also summarised the same mathematical
analysis of the 18th century Rabbi Elijah of Vilna or the Gaon of Vilna.
The Gaon even introduced a correction factor to overcome the small
discrepancy. Now Plimer is notoriously unreliable (see Plimer Files), and
here he claimed that Vilna is in Poland when it’s in Lithuania, and seemed
to be unaware that pi is an irrational number, so I don’t take his word for
things. But at least this shows that the rabbinic calculation is not news to
us.
Regards
Jonathan Sarfati
Dear Isaac,
As we said in the link, we don’t get into specifically refuting every single
supposed ‘contradiction’ atheists can think of, because that would be
very time-consuming, and there are other resources that cover these
things. I presume you’ve searched creation.com for the Creation and
Flood issues; they’re all covered on our site and you should be able to
find them easily on our Q&A pages.
Some general principles that should help you with most of these
supposed contradictions:
Sincerely,
Lita Cosner
Dear Mr F.
Mr Grigg, the author of the linked article, was perfectly aware of this
rabbinic argument (gematria) when he wrote the article. For some
background, Mr Grigg was responding to an argument in the anti-
creationist book by the atheist Ian Plimer. He gave alleged pi=3 as ‘proof’
that the Bible is wrong, and also summarised the same mathematical
analysis of the 18th century Rabbi Elijah of Vilna or the Gaon of Vilna.
The Gaon even introduced a correction factor to overcome the small
discrepancy. Now Plimer is notoriously unreliable (see Plimer Files), and
here he claimed that Vilna is in Poland when it’s in Lithuania, and seemed
to be unaware that pi is an irrational number, so I don’t take his word for
things. But at least this shows that the rabbinic calculation is not news to
us.
Regards
Jonathan Sarfati
With regard to your article, ‘Light, life and the glory of God’,
http://creation.com/light-life-and-the-glory-of-god, the statement that
caught my attention in the article is “The examples given above of light
without the sun in the Bible show that we can confidently say that God
Himself provided the source of the Day 1 light.”
Now, Gen 1:11 says “Then God said, ‘Let the earth sprout vegetation’”,
and Gen 1:12 says “The earth brought forth vegetation”. By implication,
there was no vegetation on earth before God said “Let the earth sprout
vegetation”.
I do not see any indication in Genesis to treat Gen 1:3 differently. That
is in Gen 1:3 God said, “Let there be light”. By implication there was no
light before God said, “Let there be light”.
Now, if God Himself was the source of the light, by implication, God
added to Himself what He did not have before He said, “Let there be
light”. If this were to be true, by implication, God is not simple in the
sense that He is now composite: made up of components. This is
contrary to some of CMI articles.
Dear Chandrasekaran M.
This meaning of “light” in Genesis 1:3 is clearly part of the creation not
the Creator, since God said “let there be light”. So the statement “God is
light” is not referring to this sort of light, or electromagnetic energy.
The Creator and Creation are distinct as you know (cf. Romans 1:25).
Rather, “God is light” is a profound metaphor involving many aspects of
light. Literal light drives out literal darkness, and the light that is God
drives out spiritual darkness, because in Him there is no darkness (evil)
at all. Literal light shows the literal way, and God as light provides the
revelation for the correct way to think and live, so we can “walk in the
light”. Light is also a symbol for salvation, and Isaiah 43:11 reveals that
there is no saviour but the Lord God. Here is one commentary on the
passage http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-
NT/1John/Character-God
http://creation.com/bible-contradiction-claims
grigorije:
Debunking Bible Contradictions
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Books Is the Bible a book full of contradictions?
Bible contradictions often rank as one of the top reasons for rejecting
the Christian faith. After all, how could an all-knowing and all-powerful
God have flaws and inconsistences in His written Word? This article will
debunk the so-called contradictions. This list is not exhaustive at the
moment, and the author will add more examples as he becomes aware of
them (if you have one not-mentioned here, contact us about it).
Scripture verses will be in orange, with the response in black. All verses
are from the King James Version – with updated language (such as
replacing ‘thy’ with ‘your’) – unless stated otherwise.
Who Killed Saul?
1 Samuel 31:4-5 Then said Saul unto his armour bearer, Draw your
sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come
and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armour bearer would not;
for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. And
when his armour bearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his
sword, and died with him.
2 Samuel 1:5-10 And David said unto the young man that told him, How
know you that Saul and Jonathan his son be dead? And the young man
that told him said, As I happened by chance upon mount Gilboa, behold,
Saul leaned upon his spear; and, lo, the chariots and horsemen followed
hard after him. And when he looked behind him, he saw me, and called
unto me. And I answered, Here am I. And he [Saul] said unto me, Who
are you? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite. He said unto me again,
Stand, I pray you, upon me, and slay me: for anguish has come upon me,
because my life is yet whole in me. So I stood upon him, and slew him,
because I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I
took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his
arm, and have brought them here unto my lord.
The account in 1 Samuel simply says that Saul took his sword and fell
upon it – it does not say that Saul actually died from his suicide attempt.
The story told by the Amalekite is therefore not contradictory: Saul
attempted to kill himself but did not die from his wound. The Amalekite
saw Saul still alive and killed him. Then when Saul’s amour bearer saw
that Saul was dead, he committed suicide.
Even if this were contradictory, that would not mean the Bible is at fault.
It simply records the Amalekite’s conversation with David where he says
that he killed him. The Bible may not necessarily agree with this account.
Two Creation Accounts?
Bible sceptics often point to the fact that the creation account in Genesis
1 is different from that in Genesis 2. For example, in Genesis 1:12 trees
were created before man, and in Genesis 2:9, trees were created after
man. But the answer to this is quite simple: Genesis 1 describes the
overall creation of everything and Genesis 2 describes only the creation
of the Garden of Eden. Presumably, man was to observe the Garden of
Eden being made so he would know Who made it.
Value of Pi
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to
the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a
line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
2 Chronicles 4:2 Also he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to
brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of
thirty cubits did compass it round about.
If the metal sea was ten cubits in diameter, then it could not have been
30 cubits in circumference – it would have to be 31.4 cubits. So is this a
blatant error, giving the value of pi as 3.0? No; there are a few answers to
this.
Answer 1: The Bible may have rounded the diameter and circumference
to the nearest whole number. If the diameter was somewhere between
9.5 and 10.5, and the circumference was somewhere between 29.5 and
30.5, those numbers would have been rounded to 10 and 30. This is
definitely acceptable. So the value of pi as given in the Bible could be
anywhere from 2.81 to 3.21 depending what the measurements were
before rounding.
Sea dimensions Dimensions of the sea – notice how the brim widens.
Answer 2: In 1 Kings 7:26, it tells us that the brim of the sea was like a
lily with the brim curving away from the centre of the sea: “And it was an
hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a
cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.” So it is
possible that the diameter is a measure of brim-to-brim (as Kings says)
and the circumference is a measure around the sea below the wider brim.
It is actually quite silly to say the Bible gets the value of pi wrong. Pi is an
irrational number meaning it is infinite in length (it is non-terminating
and non-repeating). According to the critic’s logic, a value like 3.14
would be wrong because it is not even more accurate like 3.14159.
How many Horses did King Solomon Have?
1 Kings 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his
chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2 Chronicles 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and
chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the
chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
1 Kings tells us how many horses Solomon had (forty thousand) but it
does not say how many chariots there were. 2 Chronicles explains that
Solomon had four thousand horses and chariots. So there were forty
thousand stalls for the horses alone, and there were four thousand other
stalls for horses and chariots. The obvious conclusion is that there were
10 horses per chariot.
Was God Pleased with His Creation?
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it
was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 6:5-6 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the
earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall
not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die.
Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and
thirty years: and he died.
Why didn’t Adam die as soon as he ate from the tree? Simple: God was
not talking in the physical sense but in the spiritual sense. His soul was
separated from God by sin.
How many men did David Kill?
2 Samuel 10:18 And the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew the
men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand
horsemen, and stroke Shobach the captain of their host, who died there.
1 Chronicles 19:18 But the Syrians fled before Israel; and David slew of
the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty
thousand footmen, and killed Shophach the captain of the host.
2 Samuel tells us that David slew an unknown number of men who fought
in seven hundred chariots. 1 Chronicles tells us that David slew seven
thousand men which fought in an unknown number of chariots. Clearly,
there were ten men in each chariot.
Did God Create man and Woman at the same Time?
Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over
every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. So God created man in
his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them.
Genesis 2:7, 21-22 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became
a living soul. ... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon
Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh
instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man,
made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come you and all your house
into the ark; for you have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Have you considered my servant
Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright
man, one that fears God, and turns away from evil? ...
How can Noah and Job be righteous when no-one is righteous? Romans
is contrasting man’s ‘righteousness’ with God’s perfect righteousness,
and, of course, we don’t fare well at all. Genesis and Job are contrasting
the righteousness of Noah and Job with other men.
How old was Abram when Terah Died?
Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and brings forth Abram,
Nahor, and Haran [a person].
Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years:
and Terah died in Haran [a place].
Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and
Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he
departed out of Haran.
Acts 7:4 Then came he [Abram] out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and
dwelt in Charran [Haran]: and from thence, when his father was dead, he
removed him into this land, wherein all of you now dwell.
Genesis 12 and Acts 7 tell us that Abram was 75 when he left Haran, and
that his father (Terah) was dead at the time. Yet because Abram was
born when Terah was 70 (Genesis 11:26), Abram would have been 135
when Terah died. So on one hand, Abram was 75 and his father was
dead, and on the other hand, Abram was 135 when his father died.
Is this a contradiction? Not at all. Notice how Genesis 11:26 says Terah
lived 70 years and brings forth Abram, Nahor, and Haran. So Abram may
have been the last child Terah had among the three, and the reference to
Terah’s age is simply when he stated having children – not when he
actually had Abram.
Were there many Languages before the Tower of Babel?
Genesis 10:5, 20, 31 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in
their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their
nations. ... These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their
tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. ... These are the sons of
Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their
nations.
Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one
speech.
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast you shall take to you by sevens, the
male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male
and his female.
Genesis 7:8-9 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of
fowls, and of every thing that creeps upon the earth, There went in two
and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had
commanded Noah.
On the one hand, Genesis 7:2 says that there shall be seven of every
clean beast, and on the other hand, Genesis 7:8-9 is telling us that both
the unclean and clean went in ‘two and two’. But there is no contradiction
here. There are seven clean animals overall, but they just entered the Ark
two abreast.
Sons of Shemaiah
The popular science magazine, New Scientist, declared that the Bible’s
mathematics is ‘poor’ because it counts Shemaiah’s five sons, Huttush,
Igal, Bariah, Neriah, and Shaphat, as six (1 Chronicles 3:22). It is clear
the author never even read the verse. The whole verse reads: “And the
sons of Shechaniah; Shemaiah: and the sons of Shemaiah; Hattush, and
Igeal, and Bariah, and Neariah, and Shaphat, six.” Clearly, the number six
is counting the descendants of Shechaniah which included Shemaiah.
http://evolutiondismantled.com/contradictions
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