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"Yes, Mom took acid:" Th e Sociohistorical Influence
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D ed ication
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S iste r O utsider: Essays and Speeches
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A b s tra c t
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This study uses the n a tu ra lis tic research m ethod o f n a rra tiv e
contained s im ila r s tru c tu ra l elem ents: em plotm ent in a p red ictable and
c u ltu ra lly coherent life script, in te rru p tio n by events and insights
th e ir developm ent as socially responsible, ethical and hum ane citizen s, and
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Decades la te r, respondents w ho described changing th e ir life
traje cto rie s also ch aracterized them selves as m ore personally fu lfille d and
re q u ire fu rth e r explo ration , and th a t n a tu ra lis tic studies o f attitu d es and
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T ab le o f Contents
D e d ic a tio n ....................................................................................................................... j i i
P re fa c e ............................................................................................................................. iv
A b s tra c t.......................................................................................................................... vi
Synopsis o f th e S tu d y .....................................................................................2
Psychedelic fo lk lo re .............................................................................10
O verview o f M ethodology..............................................................................19
O n to lo g y................................................................................................. 19
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Perspectives on change...................................................................... 31
O rg a n iz a tio n ...................................................................................................... 41
C onstructing th e LS D experience................................................... 42
T h eo retical understandings...............................................................60
D ropping o u t.......................................................................................... 77
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S u m m a ry ............................................................................................................ 86
C h a p te r 3: M e th o d s ................................................................................................... 88
S a m p lin g ..............................................................................................................96
M em b ership ro le s ...............:..................................................................100
P ro ced u res...........................................................................................................124
In te rv ie w developm ent........................................................................125
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D a ta C o llectio n ..................................................................................................... 132
D a ta A n a ly s is ....................................................................................................... 137
Processing th e d a ta ................................................................................137
S u m m a ry ............................................................................................................... 141
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"One o f the d efin in g experiences"........................................22 7
C u ltu ra l stories...................................................................................... 24 3
"Options to change"................................................................. 24 7
F iv e C a s u a ltie s ...................................................................................... 25 1
F a tig u e ......................................................................................... 25 1
F r a c tu r e ...................................................................................... 2 5 4
D iv e rg e n t p lo t sequences................................................................... 26 7
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D isclosure.................................................................................... 271
S u m m a ry ............................................................................................................. 28 9
T ru s tw o rth in e ss.................................................................................................29 0
C re d ib ility ................................................................................................29 8
R elevan ce.................................................................................................30 2
E ngagem ent.............................................................................................303
P re s e n ta tio n ........................................................................................... 3 0 6
E thics.........................................................................................................30 8
Assessment o f th e S tu d y ................................................................................ 31 0
C h ap ter 7: D iscussion.................................................................................................311
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C onclusions.............................................................................................. 31 3
D ro pp ing o u t............................................................................................ 3 2 0
T h e ra p e u tic practice................................................................ 3 2 4
S p iritu a l p ractice...................................................................... 3 2 6
E d u c a tio n a l practice.................................................................32 8
Fo otn otes............................................................................................................................33 5
R eferences..........................................................................................................................3 3 6
A ppendix 3: In te rv ie w ...................................................................................................3 8 1
M illb ro o k ...................................................................................................3 8 9
T h e Secret T r ib e ....................................................................................3 9 0
E s a le n .........................................................................................................3 9 1
M id w ife ry ..................................................................................................3 9 3
P ractice fo r P ra x is ................................................................................3 9 4
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Psychedelic m id w ifery 398
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W e have not even to ris k the adventure alone; fo r th e heroes o f a ll tim e
abom ination, we s h all fin d a god; w here w e had th oug ht to slay another, we
shall slay ourselves; w here w e had th oug ht to tra v e l outw ard, we shall
One clim bs, one sees. One descends, one sees no longer, b u t one has seen.
Rene D aum al
M o unt Analogue
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C hapter 1: S tatem en t o f th e Problem
Introduction
one another w e ll, m any had never seen each oth er before; b u t we knew we
h isto ry of drug use. F u rth e rm o re , although our association w ith Jacob was
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D espite th e passage o f a series o f in creasingly com prehensive and
W ith the recent cautious resum ption o f leg al research involving the
accept personal and leg al risks , and o f researchers to expose them selves to
psychedelic experiences.
use and the stories to ld about th e ir own d rug use by m iddle-aged adults.
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th e social com m entary and m edia coverage th a t form ed th e social m atrices
concludes w ith an overview o f p o ten tial long range benefits and d etrim ents
o f psychedelic d ru g use.
a group to discover recu rrin g them es and com pare p attern s described by
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from th e d a ta and suggests th e ir th eoretical im plications and th e ir
also discussed. Appendices include the study protocol, th e docum ent used
governm ent has e x p lic itly and vigorously pro h ib ited scientific research in
psychedelic drugs has been one o f these ra re exceptions. The effect o f the
unsupervised self- experim entation. The use o f psychedelic drugs has been
conflated in th e public m ind w ith the use o f o ther kinds o f ille g al drugs w ith
vastly d ifferin g effects. The m any A m erican ad ults who have themselves
had direct experience w ith psychedelic drugs have been larg ely silent. For
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classification, th e D ru g E n fo rcem en t A d m in istratio n has es tim ated th a t
1985). No attem p t has been m ade to estim ate how m any people in th is
and e a rly tw enties. In n in eteen six ty seven, the year th a t I en tered V assar
1971, about 5 m illio n people, a ll o f w hom are now aged 40 o r older, had
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A m ericans ages 35 and older had used L S D a t some tim e in th e ir lives,
num bers o f m iddle-aged persons, m any o f w hom have been p rep ared by
deans o f students, science d e p a rtm e n t heads and other facu lty in w hich he
g ra v ity o f the situ atio n and w o rk in g to com bat an insidious and dangerous
a c tiv ity (Young & H ixson, 1966). F o u rtee n hundred fifty college deans
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use o f psychedelic drugs should leave college to m ake room fo r m ore
lives o f th e num erous young adults w ho w ere d raw n to experim ent w ith
s tiffe r, and his position prevailed, supported by the testim ony o f sheriffs,
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ju v e n ile decency” (Subcom m ittee on Public H e a lth and W e lfa re , 1968, p.
2100). P opular federal and state law s were enacted ag ain st possession for
substances in the system atic study o f brain and m ind function was
effectively dism antled by th e effect o f the new law s and regu lations, large
num bers of adolescents and young adults perp etu ated th e exploration of
& F u lle r, 1966). Reports o f suicides and homicides “un der th e influence o f
psychedelic drugs” also m u ltip lie d d u rin g th is tim e period (S taffo rd , 1992).
m igh t have done, and claim ed am nesia a fte r “fly in g fo r th ree days on L S D ”
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convinced Sandoz P harm aceu ticals, alread y relu c tan t to continue to
leg al reg u latio n , to stop d is trib u tio n o f L S D and psilocybin and recall a ll
1967). I t also provided a h o rrify in g story about the p o ten tia l o f psychedelic
m onth before the m u rd er, b u t a p sych iatrist who had exam ined him sifter
1967).
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(J u ry acquits K essler in LS D m urder, 1967). Because o f its no toriety, th e
execute com plex crim es is sig n ifican tly im p a ire d under the influence o f
Psychedelic fo lklo re
P en n sylvan ia, in ven ted the story th a t six college students had burned
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director o f the U C L A N eu ro psychiatric In s titu te , shot Tusko w ith a
m ay have been orders o f m agn itu de too high (0.1 m g/kg vs. the 0.2 pg/kg
research.
m edical m eeting in 1966 (F o rt, 1970). In M arch 1967, Cohen and his
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breaks in cultures o f h um an p erip h eral leukocytes a fte r exposure to
to study LS D ten years ago” (Freedm an, 1967, pp. 3-4). Th e published
conference sum m ary in terp reted these rem arks o f F reedm an’s as a w ish
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Cohen’s fin din gs o f in vitro chromosome dam age w ere qu ickly
p o ten tia l o f drugs used d u rin g pregnancy h a d been fu lly appreciated for
v a lid ity o f Cohen’s fin din gs, b u t advised ag ain st the casual use o f any
now and a p p a llin g ab no rm alities fo r generation s yet unborn” (p. 19), and
years.
T h e "psychedelic syndrom e”
unproductive (C a rlin & Post, 1974), and a lie n a te d behavior (Subcom m ittee
on P ublic H e a lth and W elfa re , 1968) was believed to a fflic t those who had
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this problem included rejection of Ju d eo -C h ristian roots fo r E astern
license (F arn sw o rth & W eiss, 1969); and a preference for b izarre dress and
com m unity resp o n sib ility in the fu tu re (F arn sw o rth , 1968; Robitscher,
com m unity a fflic tio n based on personal and c u ltu ra l value judgm ents.
Persons whose beliefs did not conform to governm ental norms have been
in C hin a. H eretics and w itches have been sought using the science o f
handbook fo r In q u is ito rs. N a z i social theories targ ete d not only Rom a,
such as Freem asons. A n e n tire m edico-m oral m ovem ent developed in the
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re s tra in t th a t could be used to prevent it w ere w id ely available as m edical
for socially acceptable purposes w ere dism issed as p rim itiv e and p ath etic
(G rof, 1987; M cC lelland, 1961). The p o ten tial for genetic m utation o f the
(M an g in i, 1998). Even com m entators who did not e n tire ly condemn both
judgm ent regarding any claim s o f p o ten tial b en efit u n til the long-range
effects o f th e psychedelics on the m ind, the body and the social fabric w ere
laboratory in to the streets, the num erous adolescent and young-adult self
concern have reached m iddle age. T h is study concerns th is group: histo ric
drug users, m ale and fem ale, aged 40 or older, who have used psychedelic
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The study explores the n a tu ra l h is to ry o f psychedelic drug use and
th ey see them selves as d ifferen t from contem poraries who have not shared
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Aldous H u x le y in 1956 (H u x le y , 1956/1969). W h a t is understood to
essential elem ents o f set, se ttin g a n d m atrix (Aaronson & Osm ond, 1970;
personality, personal h isto ry, life situ atio n a t the tim e o f the d in g
o f the drug expects th e user’s reactio n to it to be (H o ffe r & Osm ond, 1967;
P ahnke, 1969). T h e th ird essen tial elem ent, m atrix, has som etim es been
social settin g and h isto ric c u ltu ra l and p o litical circum stances in w hich the
The group contains both syn th etic and n a tu ra lly - occurring substances,
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w hich m ay be derived from p lan ts, fu ngi or anim als (M c G lo th lin , 1974;
the soul visible), m ysticom im etics (im ita tin g an in itia tio n ), and
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psychological functioning th a t allows self-generated m odification o f
1971; L o u ria, 1966; S ilverm an , 1976; S trassm an, 1995; W alsh, 1982;
The use o f the word psych edelic to describe the class o f drugs to be
(N ichols, 1999). Jerom e Jaffe (1990) how ever, w ritin g on drugs o f abuse in
Goodman and G illm an's The Pharm acologic Basis o f Therapeutics, the
psych edelic in the most recent editions. H e argues th a t, w hile m any drugs
other th an the psychedelics are know n to produce hallucinations a t toxic
O verview of Methodology
was o rig in ally term ed “n a tu ra lis tic ” by th e authors, b u t more recen tly has
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constructivism are ou tlin ed by L in co ln an d G uba in th e ir te x t N a tu ra lis tic
ontology, epistem ology, g en era liza b ility, cau sality, a n d the role o f valu es in
research (L in c o ln & G uba, 1985). In la te r ite ra tio n s of th e paradigm th e
basic assum ptions o f constructivism are expressed as answers to 1) the
O ntology
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m ore in form ed or m ore sophisticated and diverse perspectives are
disclosed and in teg rated (G uba & Linco ln, 1994). Th e a rra y o f social
re a litie s constructed by th e various histo ric and contem porary actors and
has focused on th e ir p o te n tia l effects on the cognitive stru ctu res o f users.
Fears expressed by social com m entators o f the 1960's an d 70's concern the
in w hich a lte rn a tiv e beliefs and perceptions and know ledge systems not
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clin ical p ictu re o f those affected w as one o f discernible changes in beliefs
from th e w o rld around them (B lacker, Jones, Stone & Pfefferbaum , 1968).
com fortably w ith ways o f know ing th a t arise from unusual modes o f
context dependence o f the experiences derived from th e ir use. The d iffic u lty
o f d e lim itin g a specific and in v a ria b le pharm acologic effect for the
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in te rp la y o f drug, set, setting and m a trix (E isn er, 1997; G rof, 1975;
betw een causes a n d effects w ill be b lu rred , and th a t no sim ple causal
p resen t focus.
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T h e role o f values
tru th is both com plex and a lte ra b le based on ongoing experiences and th e ir
m ean ing to th e person ” (F ord-G ilboe, C am p b ell & B erm an, 1995, p. 17).
claim s to a sin g u la r a u th o rita tiv e know ledge, th is study need not b e a r the
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S idney Cohen (1960b ), who came to be regarded as one o f the
o f th e effects o f LSD :
im m ed iate nor long range psychedelic effects, are re a d ily described using
about psychedelic drugs th a t m ay be lin ked to some h isto ric al and po litical
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respondents' experiences w ith psychedelics th a t m ay previously have been
effects have been developed, these theories are consistent w ith th e use o f
social m ilieu x, not be done a p rio ri. Theory is in ten ded to em erge from the
design.
P ersonal tran sfo rm atio n follow ing psychedelic experiences has been
since use and possession o f psychedelic drugs w ere c rim in a lized in our
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C u ltu ra l v a lu e s . T h e use o f ille g a l drugs is o ffic ia lly reprehended in
aim ed a t those who choose to use these drugs are a p o litic a lly charged
topic (G rove, 1996), and acknow ledgm ent o f p o ten tial benefits o f ille g a l
balanced approach. T h e p re v a ilin g social clim ate has sh ifted very m uch
(p. 1).
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questions are h ig h ly relevan t to th is study. T h e d eterm in atio n w ith w hich
m akes the disclosure o f historic or c u rre n t psychedelic drug use p o te n tia lly
one in w hich th ey w ere read ily influenced to accept new attitu d es, values
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Jo nathan O. Cole, fo rm er c h ie f o f th e Psychopharmacology Service
about psychoactive d rug use, w hich w ould allow for m ore ra tio n a l decision
was ju s tifie d by th e im m ed iate social crisis, attitu d es and law s about drug
use m ig h t soften i f “socially com petent and effective in d ivid u als” w ere la te r
use "in stable m iddle-class society is fa r g rea ter than one w ould
Cole's speculation has not been extensively explored, and very few
efforts to study stable non-problem atic drug users or w orkable contexts for
the use o f ille g a l drugs have been attem pted. R ath er th a n a softening and
m oderation o f law s and a ttitu d e s about d rug use, the la s t th irty years
illic it drug use. N o t only have these attem pts been unsuccessful in
w hereby peer groups tra n s m it rules and norm s and develop in fo rm a l social
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experiences proved not to be h a rm fu l, o r to be o f benefit, R obitscher
lib e ra liza tio n o f present-day law s ag ain st th e possession and d is trib u tio n o f
psychedelics, and very few attem pts to accum ulate such evidence have
been m ade.
alteratio n s in attitu des, beliefs and values have been assigned m uch m ore
there are a large num ber o f highly educated m iddle-aged persons who have
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have had an o p p o rtu n ity to exam ine any discrepancies betw een w h a t is
Four.
im portance o f d iffe re n t w ays o f know ing (S ch ultz & M eleis, 1988), and
(A lle n , 1985).
Significance o f th e Problem
Perspectives on change
profound and d ram atic changes in th e ir users. D esp ite enthusiastic claim s
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fre q u e n tly been described a fte r even a single psychedelic experience, b u t
1967). A ten -year follow -up study on a sam ple o f 247 p a tien ts o f th ree Los
in th e 1950's and 1960's showed " little evidence th a t a few ad m in istra tio n s
social situations. Those who recognized m ore long la s tin g effects from
u n stru ctu red , spontaneous life , or m ay have been m ore unconventional and
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m ay fa il to reinforce effects o f psychedelic experiences on attitu d es, beliefs
experiences m ay sim ply fade, as life -lo n g p attern s reassert them selves
Some researchers also have m ade a distin ctio n betw een “objective”
re p e titiv e practice, som ething th a t is d iffic u lt to achieve even w ith the best
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Change w ould appear to require the passage o f tim e . Insights are p u t
into
psychedelic dru g use. In th e ir study, some p atien ts tested a t two, six and
w ith expected p a tte rn s in which behavior change occurs g rad u ally even in
The B u lle tin o f th e Psychedelic Inform ation C e n te r, and one o f the m ost
thoug htful and a rtic u la te w riters on ea rly exp erim en tatio n w ith
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background, p erso n ality and situ a tio n ” (B ieberm an, 1968, p. 10). She
drugs.
districts" (p. 17). She p referred th e word “p h an ero th ym e,” a w ord coined
experience teaches. "The te s t,” B ieberm an w rote, "is not how m agnificent
psychedelics' tran sfo rm ative p o te n tia l w ould know them selves and be
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therapists as w ell (C hw elos, B lew ett, S m ith & H o ffer, 1959; Savage, 1962;
sacram ental use o f a lta r w ine; its sacram ental status is derived not from
its chem ical stru ctu re, no r its possible use as a m edicine, food, or
psychedelic drugs.
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m otivatio nal situ atio n in w hich it is given (W orld H e a lth O rgan izatio n ,
1958, p. 39)
s e ttin g in which it is used as one o f its distin ctive features (A lnaes, 1964;
E very society has c u ltu ra l ru les, m yths, ritu a ls , m eanings, law s and
languages for dealing w ith the use o f substances. A lthough variab les lik e
choice are easily adapted to exp erim en tal designs, th ey fa il to present the
effects th a t considers not only th e pharm acology o f the drug its e lf, b u t the
and m oral status o f the drug in th e social environm ent, has been
a lte rn a tiv e ways of conceptualizing d rug issues, and to foster c ritic a l self-
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aw areness in psychedelic d ru g users them selves (H u m p hreys &
R ap p ap o rt, 1989).
U sers’ stories
define ille g a l drug use as in trin s ic a lly m align, and describe users in term s
th e use o f any ille g a l d ru g , nor d rin k in g by those under th e leg al age lim it.
d iffic u lty is pred ictin g ex actly who w ill have problems and w h ich drugs
histo ries o f drug use. T h e n a rra to r m ay have d iffic u lty fin d in g adequate
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described by D e v a u lt as "lin g u istic incongruence” (1990, p. 96). T h is
c u rre n tly fashionable th eoretical view s o f d rug use, w hich tend to lim it
in te rp re te d .
The n a rra tiv e accounts o f m iddle-aged, high-fun ctio nin g ad u lts who
social w o rld . C ollective stories open new possibilities and offer new
ideas about psychedelic drug use w ere an alyzed and criticized by m ore
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process in w hich a group or in d iv id u a l subm erged in a constraining social
s e lf-lib e ra tio n from oppressive social stru ctu res and purposeful action
d ru g users, psychedelic drugs, and drugs in general. A lth oug h the e x p lic it
prom ote reap p rais al in these areas in w ays th a t are respectful and
p ra x is .
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Chapter 2: R eview o f th e L iterature
O rgan izatio n
the crim in a liza tio n and stigm atizatio n o f th e ir use is related to the
research accum ulated prio r to c rim in a liza tio n th a t has had a t least th ree
H a lifa x , 1977; K u rla n d , 1985; R ichards, G rof, Goodm an & K u rla n d , 1972);
enhancem ent o f c rea tivity and in tu itio n (K rip p n e r, 1977); and religious
papers w ere w ritte n about th e ir p o ten tia l th erap eu tic usefulness (Cohen,
1964a).
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T h is ch a p te r is not intended to be a com prehensive review . R ath er,
experiences, bo th o f those who had used th e drugs and those who had not,
lite ra tu re is, fo r th e m ost p a rt, q u ite dated , as th e re has been very little
Perspectives on Psychedelic D ru g U se
commonly used now (B au m eister & P lac id i, 1983), and to have experienced
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studies suggest th a t th e L S D users o f previous decades, "w ith th e ir g re a t
hopes o f heaven and fears o f h e ll, and a lac k o f any sense o f w h a t to expect"
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uncertain. E xpectations o f th e drugs' effects w ere provided for m any by the
drug use. Recovery from panic reactions w as u s u a lly rap id , and no long-
was unclear, as m any patien ts w ere s till experiencin g some “im p airm en t of
also have not alw ays considered the po ssib ility th a t th e attac k m ight be a
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provided by G lickm an and B lum enfield (1967), who pointed o u t th a t w h ile
reactions was g en erally low , and p a rtic u la rly low in cases w here carefu lly
range from 0.0 8-4 .6% , w ith a m edian o f 2.7% (A b rah am & A ld rid g e, 1993).
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episodes.” In th e absence o f co ntrad icto ry in p u t, experiences in w hich th e ir
The anxious novice who has not come into co ntact w ith an inform ed
effect of the dru g its e lf. I f th is w ere th e case, B ecker suggested, reports o f
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adverse effects, w h ich led m an y observers who had not an alyzed th e d a ta
psychotic reactions h id d e n fro m public atten tio n , and had m ade “ efforts. .
.to p revent adverse reactions from being publicized” (Robbins e t a l., 1967,
Persons who have m anaged to avoid developing personal, social, leg al,
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accurate self-rep ort d a ta on drug use, b u t are lim ite d to accessible and
provide no in form atio n about persons whose drug use rem ains unnoticed
W in ic k, 1991).
public policy presupposes th a t such use w ill in e v ita b ly have dem onstrable
negative consequences. B oth the popular and th e legal form ulations o f the
use o f ille g a l drugs allow , for the m ost p a rt, fo r only tw o patterns:
Zinberg, 1984b). Studies o f drug users have often failed to d ifferen tiate
betw een d ifferen t patterns o f use (F o rster & Sallow ay, 1990), employed
drug use:
Ecstasy, LS D and m ushroom trip p ers; am phetam ine users; and even
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some recrea tio n al h ero in snorters) are in every profession and a re
G ram m ys, and W o rld Series and Superbow l rin g s. M ost d ru g users
use an d in fo rm a l social controls are m ore lik e ly am ong those who have
balanced lives, who can look fo rw ard to a decent life in the fu tu re , and
who th erefo re have some stake in conventional life and society, (p. 358-
35 9).
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Th e m ajo rity o f theories th a t ex p la in illic it drug use and describe th e
1993; W ald o rf, R ein arm an & M u rp h y , 1991). The effect o f th e c u rre n t drug
22 8).
th a t are consumed. A ny a tte m p t to d istin g u ish drug use from abuse m ust
occurs, and its inform al social ru le s and ritu a ls (Zinberg & H a rd in g , 1979).
dru g -u sin g peers ways o f keep in g use u n der control and consequences o f
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the tasks o f d a ily life , b u t th e phenomenon o f ra p id ly developing “tolerance”
The most outstanding exam ple o f such a stru ctu red environm ent is
is in tric a te ly d etailed, and th ere are specific roles, im plem ents, songs,
prayers and sacred m om ents th a t stru ctu re the ten to tw elve hour ritu a l.
and use Peyote a t home as a pow erful herb al resource fo r firs t aid and
fa m ily h e a lth m atters, b u t psychedelic doses are alm ost never consumed
except in a cerem onial context (Anderson, 1980; S m ith & Snake, 1996;
S te w a rt, 1987).
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T h ere are F ed eral protections from prosecution for mem bers of th e
quantum . Its sacram ent is also Peyote, b u t its ritu a ls are q u ite d ifferen t
from the N A C .
not a controlled substance. Tem ple follow ers reg ard D P T as its e lf divine,
ingestion, according to the Tem ple, allow s d irect com m unication w ith
spirits. Services, w hich are conducted in the Tem ple for in divid uals or
blends C h ris tia n ity , sp iritualism and tra d itio n a l p la n t sham anism
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o f th e M in is try o f Ju stice, has researched and approved th e use o f
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P sychedelic social w orlds
experim ents w ith psilocybin (G ordon, 1963; W e il, 1963), and vario u sly
attem p ted to combine B uddhist and H in d u cosmology and some elem ents o f
plan n ed , stru ctu red and guided psychedelic experiences using m aps and
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guidebooks based on classical texts d ealin g w ith variatio n s in states o f
rid in g eccentrics was collectively called, was fa m ilia r w ith the realm s o f
The P ranksters w ere exp erim en tin g w ith th e developm ent o f group m ind,
a series o f m u lti-m e d ia events fo r w hich the house band was The W arlocks,
(G rav y, 1974).
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to several thousand about how the insights from psychedelic states could
com m ented upon or critiqued in the process o f b u ild in g com m unity. The
M em bership in The F a rm has h isto rically req u ired a com m itm ent to
The population o f T h e F a rm has flu ctu ated over th e years, reaching a high
settlem ents in other parts o f the U n ite d S tates and C en tra l A m erica.
W h ile these groups continue to be in flu e n tia l for some people u n til the
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d iffe re n t "set." M any contem porary users ta k e psychedelics solely fo r fun,
co u n tercu ltu ral com m unity, was th e social center o f th e ir d ru g use. The
status o f psychedelic drug use am ong young people, and college students in
tim e" (Young & Hixson, 1966, p. 194) led to th e publication o f several
po pu lar and sensational books about "the am azin g p ills , p lan ts and
va ria tio n s in methodology m ake these studies d iffic u lt to com pare, and a
was about 16-18% in 1971 (G a llu p , 1972; Goode, 1972; M c G lo th lin , 1974).
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o f ch aracteristics and social factors considered suggests th e w ide v a rie ty
specific tim e period or stage o f su b -cu ltu ral developm ent a t w hich drugs
w ere used. B irth cohort also tended to have an im pact on psychedelic drug
use, w ith younger cohorts being stead ily m ore lik e ly to use psychedelics in
populations born betw een 1944 and 1954 (O 'D o n n ell, Voss, C layton, S la tin
and social services for increasing num bers o f psychedelic drug users. The
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W h ile accepting th a t th e most s trid e n t critics o f th e use o f
tim e th a t anyone who would sim ply take L S D would concur as to its
to the drugs' capacity to produce changes in attitu d es, values and beliefs.
possibility, M c G lo th lin argued, was m uch m ore read ily influenced th a n one
Thus, young people who w ere not y e t strongly com m itted to c u ltu ra l
norm s, and those older people who w ere alrea d y seeking change, or who
enhancem ent o f c re a tiv ity , w ere m uch m ore lik e ly to be d raw n to the
H ig h ly stru ctu red , p ractical, conform ing, outw ard-oriented people are
For those who w ere su fficien tly a ttra cte d to th e psychedelics to try th em on
possessions.
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The social im p licatio n s o f these changes w ere no t clear in 1966.
genetic dam age, or v iv id an d a tte n tio n -g e ttin g fashion statem ents. In stead,
T h eo retical understandings.
contem porary drug scene w ith a level o f o b jectivity and detachm ent th a t
was rem arkab le fo r its tim e , he was un clear about th e significance o f his
M cG lo th lin was not alone in his perp lexity. Jo nathan Cole and
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a ttitu d e s , values and goals w ere affected by psychedelic experiences, th ey
divorcin g one's spouse, or becom ing less concerned w ith success and
re c e n tly com pleted fo rty -y e a r follow -up o f D r. A rth u r Jan ig er's research
a l., 1999).
E ven those who w ere m ost optim istic about th e p o te n tia l benefits o f
can be engaged in honestly" (B ieberm an, 1968, p. 8). O th ers co n fid en tly
psychedelic d ru g use.
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B oth those who feared and deplored the possible long-range effects o f
ben eficial eth ica l revo lution acknowledged th a t the changes produced by
function o f the psychedelics in th e s p iritu a l and eth ical life o f th e user as "to
aw aken and to rem ind" (B ieberm an, 1968, p. 10). B ieberm an speculated
p re fe rrin g to fin d th e ir rem inders elsew here. O thers, she said, w ould
1968).
except for those who m ade a d rastic b rea k w ith the past fo llow ing th e ir
in terests and values w ere a p o ssib ility for some users, "most often th ey
never occur, or are tra n s ie n t w hen th ey do" (p. 79), w ith th e persistence of
change being determ ined by th e rew ards and punishm ents produced by
vis ib le change produced even in th e lives o f those who claim ed to have had
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th e m ost m oving experiences w ith psychedelics. H e m ain tain ed , however,
th a t extensive changes could take place in the user's personality over tim e,
as th e experience was in teg rated into th e in divid ual's value system and
form ed a basis for a new ethical relationship w ith the w orld. Th e old
In a sem inal artic le, "On the use and abuse o f LSD ," D a n iel
Freedm an (1968) sum m arized the questions and speculations o f the late
1960's about how LS D w ould effect the fu tu re lives o f its th e n very visible
sense o f truthfulness.
th is contrast was "m ultipo ten tial"(p. 332). D epending upon w h a t aspect of
th e experience the user and his social environm ent cboose to em phasize,
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sig n ifican t change in the user's a ttitu d e s , beliefs and values. The eventual
description o f sa m a d h i, or madness.
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found th a t an im p o rta n t aspect o f psychedelic drugs was th e ir a b ility to
p u rific a tio n and s e lf d iscip lin e freq u en tly are used to prep are adherents fo r
these experiences. W h ile some o f those who had tra n s fo rm a tiv e psychedelic
stru ctu red environm ent o f use, fo r others, the w o rk o f c u ltiv a tin g in s ig h t,
psychedelic drugs had "m any s im ila ritie s and ve ry few differences" (p.
by a sense o f "in teg ratio n o f one's universe and oneself' (p. 32 5) th a t was
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considered by m any to be a su p erla tive state of aw areness. Cohen pointed
them selves w ere not the goal. In stead , he said, th ey w ere a pow erful
how the determ ination to change behavior th a t was fe lt a fte r "chem ical
P sychiatric in te rp re ta tio n s
(S arw er-F o n er, 1972a; S arw er-F o n er, 1972b). The tendency o f psychedelic
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efficiency in everyday activities (Freedm an, 1968), and often responsible
(O beyesekere, 1990).
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D ire c t and com pelling experiences o f a lte rn a tiv e re a litie s th a t one
has never before glim psed m ay reasonably produce changes one's basic
reg rettab le tendency to assess alte ra tio n s o f belief, behavior and a ttitu d e
researchers, how ever, “objective co n firm atio n ” o f these claim s was m ore
d iffic u lt to obtain.
exam ined could be easily critic ized fo r poor methodology. F o r exam ple,
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some o f th e 67 reports th ey review ed fa ile d to m ake such basic distinctions
Savage, F a d im a n , M ogar & H ughes A lle n , 1966; and Shagass & B ittle ,
1967. These studies w ill be discussed here in d e ta il, as they rep resen t the
psych iatric care, and Group 3 had been h o sp italized follow ing th e ir
essen tially b eneficial and in s ig h tfu l L S D experiences. The groups req u irin g
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po ten tial va lu e fo r controlled research and “in vestig atio n o f th e potentials
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as “typ ical psychiatric o u tp a tie n ts ,” th e other th ird w ere said to be
sample claim ed m ore m ean ing and purpose in life , m ore aesthetic
subjects. The researchers found th a t, w h ile clin ical ra tin g s , in terview s and
orig inal b a tte ry o f objective assessm ent tests was re la tiv e ly insensitive to
et al., 1966).
Abram son and his colleagues, in 1958 by the A ddiction R esearch C en ter o f
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w hich the A R C I m easures th e effects o f o th e r drugs is also called th e
"dysphoria scale," and em phasizes som atic sym ptom s and perceptual
follow ing the com pletion o f th e clin ical studies o f the 1960's and 1970's.
Long-range effects
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lite ra tu re to "represent the type o f research w ith th e greatest p o ten tial fo r
g en eratin g scientific know ledge o f the drug’s effects” (M cW illiam s & T u ttle ,
students. The exp erim en tal group received 200pg o f L S D , w ith th e two
1966).
M yers-B riggs Type In d ic a to r and A as’ H yp n o tic S u scep tibility test w ere
used to m atch exp erim en tal and control groups. The volunteers w ere then
d isq u alified for p rio r psychedelic experiences. T w en ty-five m ore w ith d rew
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do so from a significant other, th re e because of an xiety reactions. A
seventh was term in ated by th e experim enters a fte r the firs t d ru g session
again a t 2 weeks and 6 m onths follow ing the th ird session. Th e groups
a rt and m usic. About one th ird o f the LSD recipients reported decreased
an xie ty, a less m a te ria lis tic view po int, greater introspection and tolerance,
and other a ttitu d e and p erso n ality effects. Formed pre-and post measures
M arlow e-C row ne Socied D e s ira b ility scede, M ednick’s Rem ote Association
T est, and S everity o f Judgm ent scales were applied, b u t dem onstrated
only sm all differences betw een th e LS D and control groups (C ohen, 1968a;
M c G lo th lin et al., 1967; M c G lo th lin & Arnold, 1971). Tests fo r c re a tiv ity
including the B ulley A rt Scale, and the Graves Design Judgm ent te st also
dem onstration o f change” (Cohen, 1969, p. 79). The experim enters found
sm all changes in the LS D recipients, bu t these w ere n e ith er s ta tis tic a lly
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significant, nor com parable w ith effects w id ely repo rted a t th e tim e by
w ere by d e fin itio n involved in a stru ctu red and goal-oriented program .
th a t:
changes occurred only a fte r th e six-m onth follow -up period had ended.
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sponsors suggested th a t th e in itia l fu ro r over psychedelic drugs had begun
to subside. W h ile i t was tru e th a t th e num ber o f popular articles and news
1969).
become profoun dly negative. A lth oug h th is change was ra tio n a lize d by
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Research w ith D P T continued a t S pring Grove u n til th e m id 1970’s,
b u t those w ere the last U .S . clin ical tria ls using psychedelics w ith hum an
in terven tio n have not clearly dem onstrated th erap eu tic valu e
in vestig ated .
D ropping out
du rin g th e 1960's and 1970's was often directed w ith "b ew ild erm ent and
use on "young persons who come from m iddle-class homes an d who appear
drive and alte re d goals and am bitions, m akin g tra d itio n a l values and
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by persons such as governm ent officials, law yers and judges, clergy
students who w ere being prepared fo r these roles should be "viewed w ith
& B lum en field, 1967; Robbins e t a l., 1967). In addition, the use o f
(1966):
in divid uals had been seen to follow th e repeated use o f psychedelics. H e did
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in stead th a t repeated drug use m ig h t be a sym ptom o f an alread y
coherent th in k in g im possible.
cause and w h ich the effect. W ritin g for “C u rre n t Concepts” fe atu re in T h e
resu lt, not th e cause, o f LS D use, a prem ise fo r w hich no support had been
to w ard social expectations and ‘estab lish m en t’ values” (p. 2 2 ).U n g e rle id e r
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as a form o f social suicide (W a tts , 1977). Sociologists W illia m Sim on and
a lte r his life style fro m an actively as p irin g fu tu re-o rien ted student to an
D ropping o u t, how ever, was seen d iffe re n tly by others. Tim o thy
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consciously re d ire c t th e ir em otional, aesthetic and in te lle c tu a l responses to
self knowledge th a t w ould p erm it one to see oneself w ith im p a rtia lity and
schema, to "drop out" was to detach from id e n tific a tio n w ith one's
education, possessions, job, social com m itm ents and usual behaviors in
valid ate them or to change them for new ones in corpo rating insights from
The issue o f w h eth er LS D caused genetic dam age was one o f the
po ten tial dangers th a t they identified: a possible increase in leu kem ia and
accom panying e d ito ria l described LS D as “rad io m im e tic”-- causing som atic
m utations and cell depletion s im ila r to chronic w hole-body rad ia tio n . The
ed ito ria l em phasized th a t these fin din gs w ould re q u ire users to reconsider
th e ir attitu d es to w ard drug use. For the sake o f th e biological fitness o f the
1967).
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O thers w ere no t as q u ick to accept M aim o n Cohen’s conclusions. A
Cohen M a rin e llo & B ack occurred a fte r several hours exposure, as d istin ct
cu ltu re are not id e n tic a l w ith ‘genetic dam age”* (Freedm an, 1968, p. 68).
educate [LSD] users about its dangers” in th e hope th a t p u b lic ity about
“th e evidence for a teratog enic effect [was] very strong b u t not unanim ous"
(p. 810), and confidently expected th a t, although “th e case for chromosomal
conducted.
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1970, and concluded th a t “pu re L S D ingested in m oderate doses does not
dam age chromosomes in vivo, does not cause detectab le genetic dam age,
1993). None o f these studies received th e w idespread and excited p u b lic ity
th a t greeted the o rig in a l stories o f chromosome dam age, how ever. E ven
experiences.
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1967a). The kinds o f studies considered to be useful and im p o rta n t by
psychedelic drugs, and created h o s tility and anger in those who opposed
use.
fa c ilita tin g a ttitu d in a l change and s tim u la tin g social em pathy" (p. 227),
position and our level o f social m atu rity"(p . 226). H e recognized th a t such a
1985, p. 237).
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Because "open com m unication and a reduction o f fe ar, d istru st and
dogm atism " (p. 22 7) are crucial to hum an su rvival, M cG lo th lin deem ed the
to be "quite safe, especially w ith norm als" (p. 237). The psychedelics could
users (Rom ero, 1994). W h ile accounts o f benefits are accum ulating (Beck &
m any people, a t lea st from th e ir own point o f view , claim to have derived a
long las tin g and m ean ing ful positive im pact from th e ir use o f psychedelics.
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Knowledge o f th e uses and p o te n tia l benefits o f th e psychedelic drugs
(R oberts, 1989, p. 94). According to R oger W alsh, “th ere have probably
m isin form atio n and sensatio nalistic re p o rtin g by the m edia as psychedelic
as in the popular press, a bias to w ard rep o rtin g only th e n egative effects o f
p rev ailin g a ttitu d e about th e use o f ille g a l drugs in general, b u t i t d isto rts
S u m m ary
and described several specific contexts o f use. The second section review ed
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o f psychedelic experiences th a t w e re c u rre n t w hen the p articip an ts in th is
study w ere firs t exposed to psychedelics. The th ird section addressed some
specific positive and negative concerns about long range effects, in clu d in g
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Chapter 3: M ethods
"The best th in g for being sad," rep lied M e rlin , beginning to p u ff and
blow, "is to le a rn som ething. T h a t is th e only th in g th a t never fa ils . You
m ay grow old and trem b lin g in yo ur anatom ies, you m ay lie aw ake a t
n ig h t lis ten in g to the disorder o f your veins, you m ay miss your only
love, you m ay see the w orld around you devastated by e v il lu n atics, or
know your honour tram p led in th e sewers o f baser m inds. T h ere is only
one th in g for it then -- to learn . L e arn w h y th e w orld wags and w h a t
wags it. T h a t is the only th in g th e m ind can never exhaust, never
a lie n a te , never be to rtu red by, never fe a r or distrust, and never dream
o f reg rettin g ."
T . H . W h ite
The Once and F u tu re K in g
various fa m ilia r form s or plots by w h ich n a rra tiv e s can be organized. The
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o f trip s . D u rin g th e p ilo t study for th is project, I attem pted to an alyze the
exercise for me. I found th a t I was not a t ease w ith th e technique o f try in g
analyze the p ilo t d ata, and to continue the study using n a rra tiv e analysis
m ethodology.
emerges from m any research interests and disciplines: fem in ist research
(DeJoseph & M essias, 1996; D e V a u lt, 1990; Reissm an, 1993), philosophy
et a l., 1985), social psychology (G ergen & G ergen, 1984; S arb in , 1986),
m u ltid is c ip lin a ry attem pts to study values and cognition (M itc h e ll, 1981).
N a rra tiv e analysts exam ine the w ay th a t people use n a rra tiv e to describe
social conduct across tim e, giving hum an a c tiv ity a sense o f m eaning and
direction.
n a rra tiv e research uses the n a rra tiv e form to provide an exp lanation o f
w eighing the tem poral order in w hich events are presented and
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w ith in the n a rra tiv e , to heighten in te re s t and to m ake i t convincing and
credible. T ra d itio n a l w ritte n h isto ry and m ost in v e s tig a tiv e rep o rtin g are
common exam ples o f exp lan ato ry n a rra tiv e an alysis (P o lkin g h o m e, 1988;
hindsight and resp ectful o f m y own p a rtic u la rity and personal perceptions.
events.
The other m a jo r type o f n a rra tiv e research, d escrip tive n a rra tiv e
analysis, exam ines n a rra tiv e presentations for th e use o f these and other
devices, scru tin izin g th e characteristics o f the te llin g its e lf and how the
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n a rra tiv e researchers focus on th e stru ctu re and language em ployed by
The m ost fre q u e n tly cited and e a rlie s t approach to n a rra tiv e
of form s, a fu lly form ed n a rra tiv e contains "in v a ria n t s tru c tu ra l units:" an
story is told to an in d iv id u a lly -id e n tifie d listen er, and thus does not
construction o f both lis te n e r and te lle r (Labov, 1972). A less red u ctio n istic
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sa lien t them es, and compare these w ith in or across n a rratives (DeJoseph
(1996) as a postm odern fem in ist m ethod o f n a rra tiv e analysis. R ath er th an
focuses on the ideas and m eanings expressed in th e texts (M isch ler, 1986),
other form s of n a rra tiv e analysis, such as lo cating stories and them es
stru c tu ra l or lin g u istic components. In stea d , com plete stories are sought
& M essias, 1996, p. 8). The approach represented by fem in ist n a rra tiv e
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dom inance and advocate "social, p o litic al and economic e q u a lity o f women
specifically fem in ist o rien tatio n , it is aligned w ith fe m in ist goals o f hearing
m ain s tream .
n a rra tiv e construction is provided by G ergen & G ergen (1984). N a rra tiv e
existence o f a goal state or endpoint. The n a rra to r selects events and other
elem ents o f th e situ atio n for inclusion and arranges them in a directional
“th e acceleration o f the n a rra tiv e slope,” and changes in th e evalu ative
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Th e n a rra tiv e slope can be fla t, h a vin g a basic d ire c tio n a l p a tte rn o f
d irec tio n al p attern s m ay occur, g ivin g rise to d ram atic n a rra tiv e form s
given occurrence.
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and G ergen, th e n a rra to r is lim ite d “to a vocabulary o f action th a t
academ ia.
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p riv a te ly develop accounts th a t th ey w ill produce la te r i f th e ir behavior is
disputed.
S am p lin g
adding th a t she had never heard m e use th a t nam e. She said th a t she had
planned to introduce the person th a t she knew , and to ta lk about know ing
convinced. She did, in fact, introduce me to about 750 m idw ives as H idden
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M o u n tain , the nam e th a t I ’ve been know n by in m y com m unal fa m ily for
m any years and, since m idw ives are open m ind ed in general, nobody
seemed to th in k th a t th is w as odd.
secrets to conceal.
netw ork more th a n any o th er was th a t alm ost a ll o f us had been profoundly
are today in positions o f respect and resp o n sib ility in our com m unities in
the tra its , ch aracteristics, and standards o f b eh avio r o f drug users are
For me, and I suspect fo r m any others who show no obvious scars from our
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adventures, to discuss those ad ven tures p u b licly now is to ris k a huge loss
o f c re d ib ility .
have served to keep certain people, view s and insights out o f public life . I f
one has k e p t one's psychedelic past secret, one is subject to being “outed,”
lik e it or not.
histo ric users have developed about th e use o f psychedelic drugs, and th e
n a rra tiv e , h isto ric users have had a n o p p o rtu nity to id e n tify a v a rie ty o f
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outcomes and influences o f th e ir dru g use, w h eth er d e trim e n ta l, beneficial,
reduction and b e n e fit m axim iza tio n strategies have been successfully
In s id e r research
fa m ilia rity , has been understood and defined d iffe re n tly by d iffe re n t
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(E llis & F la h e rty , 1992). O thers have described this type o f research as
(Lipson, 1984), e x p e rie n tia l analysis (R einharz, 1979), com plete m em ber
people, cu ltu re and language or jargon found in the area o f in terest, and
should know th e vocabulary and referents for the language used by the
speaker, should know a t least a p a rtia l biography o f th e sto ryte ller, should
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responsibility for th e in te rp re ta tio n th a t he o r she provides, recognizing
1 9 89a ).
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e lic ite d in th e researcher, le a d in g to d iffic u lty in focusing on e x te rn a l
events and reco rd ing fie ld ob servatio ns (K rie g e r, 1983; Lipson, 1984).
pervasive presence o f bias in tro d u ced by th e research effo rts o f fo reign ers
M em b ership roles
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c ritiq u e d o n ly by academ ic peers, th e research er m ay s o lic it m em ber
read ers' assessm ent and v a lid a tio n o f th e im age o f th e ir social w o rld
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s p iritu a l m ovem ents th a t have arisen around th e use o f psychedelics. I am
use.
E n tree
H ayan o (1 979 ) called role iden tification and A d le r and A d le r term ed role
Role co n flict. Th e com plete m em bership role has been called “th e
fo r role conflict, a s itu a tio n in w h ich th e beliefs and behaviors ap prop riate
longer th a n I o rig in a lly a n tic ip a te d to com plete th is pro ject, as I have been
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u n ab le fu lly to im m erse m yself in th e ro le o f researcher fo r an y len g th o f
tim e w ith o u t h a vin g th e dem ands o f m y com m unity life assert them selves,
m y own feelin gs o f iso latio n and loneliness overw helm m e, o r some even t or
fa m ily provided op po rtu nities fo r d e b rie fin g and discussion o f ideas and
w ritin g w hen I was a t home w ith m y frien d s and fa m ily . I have been
obliged to spend m ost o f th e past several m onths alm ost com pletely alo ne,
experience role detachm en t, s h iftin g back and fo rth betw een th e roles o f
and unexam ined, one can become detached from feelings an d in sig h ts th a t
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are an im p o rta n t p a rt o f th e an aly sis, or one m ay sim ply lose tra c k o f th e
ch arg ed .
req u ires a d e fin itio n o r ela b o ra tio n beyond w h a t w ould ta c itly be assum ed
in an o rd in a ry conversation.
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about th e respondents' experiences and circum stances out o f a desire not to
cases o f those respondents who described them selves as isolated from lik e -
stress in m y social environm ent, b u t it has not alw ays been th e stress th a t
psychedelic social m ovem ents o f th e 1960’s and 70’s, and those who are
th e co llab o ratio n o f those who hold key p arts o f th e com m unity c u ltu ra l
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A know n dilem m a o f th e com plete m em ber research er w ith w hich I
have also experienced some d iffic u lty is m y own re a c tio n to th e p arts o f the
com m unity o r w o rld un der study w ith w h ich I w o uldn’t o rd in a rily id e n tify
w ith new eyes on th e fa m ilia r (K re ig e r, 1985). I have been tem pted to leave
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im agined glory o f th e ro le. I ’ve yearn ed to do it m yself, b u t n o t fo r a
long tim e . I w onder i f it ’s a fu n ctio n o f age? I suspect stro ngly th a t i f
age isn ’t th e exact answ er, th a t th e re is some o th er m easure o f
m a tu rity th a t is.
F ie ld N otes, D ecem ber 3, 1995
a c tiv itie s , and th e re are several lay ers o f reasons w hy th is is so. T h e ones
com m unication style and o f c o n fid e n tia lity , b u t th ere w ere also m ore
discom fort.
study, b ein g associated w ith one p a rt o f a group can also im p act access to
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w as involved in research a t an oth er lo cal ed u catio n al in s titu tio n on a topic
re la te d to m ine.
had played a key role in th e h isto ric group, and w ho had had a
"a spy,” she said, and S haron was w orse. She reproached m e fo r v io la tin g
w orkplace th e day before, she said, Jo anie’s co-w orkers had discussed the
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id ea th a t I had th o u g h tlessly vio lated im p o rta n t confidences. I t w as not
u n til she had hung up th a t I realized th a t Joanie had asked S haron, whom
w rite r on d rug issues, and th a t she had en th u sia stic ally discussed th e
found out w h eth er Joanie had actu ally given Sharon m y nam e, or how she
stig m a tiza tio n from m y w o rk in th e academ ic environm ent, I recen tly had
w o rk.
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m em bership on th e ir n a tio n a l B oard o f D irecto rs. As p a rt o f th is process I
was p riv a te ly advised not to say too m uch about m y doctoral research to
m em bership.
s itu a te d and in te rn a lly co n stitu ted by th e circum stances o f our lives. Since
developed and m u tated . One specific p ersp ectival s h ift th a t I can easily
in te rv ie w s .
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I can lo cate m y firs t consideration o f th is issue in a specific
conversation w ith tw o old frien d s, W avy G ravy /H u g h N a n ton Rom ney and
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perceived it to be. I t m ay be stig m atize d , b u t th e stig m a is now pu blic
ethnic o rig in , one is A sian , one is A frica n -A m erica n , and one is N a tiv e
are c u rre n tly m a rrie d o r liv in g w ith lo n g -term p a rtn e rs , fiv e are divorced
h isto ry o f p sych iatric h o s p ita liza tio n previous to his psychedelic d ru g use;
another had a six w eek long episode o f d e re alza tio n fo llo w in g a psychedelic
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several have been arrested in a n ti-w a r dem onstrations or fo r o th e r c iv il
disobedience.
sound recording tech n ician , m echanic, an d fin e a rtis t. One is unem ployed.
One describes h im s e lf as being ”on sab b atical” due to problem s w ith his
V e te ra n ’s B en efits.
ille g a l.
K rip p n e r (1 9 8 5 ),
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in d iv id u a ls w ho w ere entranced w ith th e ir in e ffa b le experiences (p.
2 1 7 ).
psychedelic clu sters have form ed and dissolved, and some have endured.
M exico, and clusters o f seekers sought them o u t, alo ng w ith police and
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contem porary* a re in clu d ed in th is sam ple and com prise h a lf th e to ta l
Food and D ru g A d m in is tra tio n survey as 1-3 episodes o f use, and 72.8% o f
a few years, o r once every few years" (C ohen, 1968a) p. 76, allo w in g tim e
use as e v e n tu a tin g in to th e "in freq u en t user" p a tte rn , altho ugh some had
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Seven respondents, th re e m en and fo u r wom en, had continued to use
ten to tw e n ty fiv e years, and stated th e ir in te n tio n n ever to use ag ain . The
h isto ric psychedelic d ru g users suggested chain or snow ball sam pling fo r
w earin g one o f these buttons as I go about m y d a ily a c tiv itie s and errands
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b u t th a t a prepared researcher, w ho is sen sitive and a tte n tiv e to th e focus
people seated next to m e on public tra n s p o rta tio n , and w ith o th er shoppers
p a rtic ip a te in th e study.
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pool o f respondents, both by m oving th e study beyond m y personal social
and c u ltu ra l m ilie u , and because o f th e id e n tific a tio n o f persons from m any
com m itm ent. E a s ily excluded w ere th e m any p o te n tia l respondents who
provide ex p lan atio n s, and s e lf-re fle c tiv e enough to give a d e ta ile d account
tra n s c rip ts .
The e x is tin g lite ra tu re has tended to over sam ple young w h ite m ales, and
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those p resen tly docum ented (B eck & P re s ti, 1994). R a th e r th a n em phasize
psychedelic drug users such as young a d u lts , w h ite m ales and p sych iatric
sam ples. O ld er ad u lts, w om en, and people o f color, who a re tra d itio n a lly
tim e o f th e experience.
from 1963-70. Five o f these had th e ir fir s t experiences in 1963 o r 64, w hen
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rep resen t a ll o f th e classic types o f "bad trip ” reactions described in th e
reaction d u rin g an experience w ith STP. W hen a com panion who was
second sto ry w indow , frac tu red his neck, and becam e quadriplegic.
experiences.
ch ild ren or step -ch ild ren also used a fte r th ey becam e parents.
N a tiv e A m erican C hurch m eetings (one m ale and one fem ale respondent),
group th e ra p e u tic experiences (one m ale and tw o fem ale respondents), and
ritu a liz e d re g u la r use outside o f th erap y (one m ale and two fem ale
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rep resen tin g th e a dichotom y betw een th e E a s t C oast, L eary-in flu en ced ,
respondents s e lf-id e n tify w ith th e "E ast C oast School," and th re e others
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Procedures
P ro tection o f p a rtic ip a n ts
o f C a lifo rn ia 's in s titu tio n a l revie w board, re s u ltin g in its c u rre n t approval
c o n fid e n tia lity . P a rtic ip a n ts a d d itio n a lly w ere asked to re a d a p rin te d form
appendices.
In te rv ie w developm ent
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D a ta w ere obtained from ad u lts aged 40 o r older by conducting in -
q u a n tita tiv e com ponents and these provided th e fram ew o rk from w hich I
stru ctu re d in te rv ie w , th is study as o rig in a lly planned used a stru ctu red ,
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T h e com bination o f these tw o in s tru m e n ts w as q u ite aw kw ard. W hen
schedule becam e sh o rter and m ore focused on values and b eliefs, and less
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fo rm o f conversations ab ou t some p a rtic u la r and m em orable m om ents in
p a rtic ip a n ts .
d ru g use q u estio n n aire. C onsiderable tim e and e ffo rt had gone in to m akin g
exact dates o f ille g a l a c tiv itie s and m ethods o f acquisitio n o f illic it drugs.
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Q uestions ab ou t h ig h ris k sexual b eh avio r and h isto ries o f drug
each tim e re fin in g th e questions and redu cin g th e num ber asked in ord er to
D escrip tio n o f th e in te rv ie w
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questions o r as suggestions fo r probes to be used i f th e g en eral topic arises
n a rra tiv e .
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o r should be used. In clu d ed h ere w as a specific in q u iry ab o u t th e advice
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In p re p a ra tio n fo r th is project, I conducted a s m a ll- scale p ilo t stu d y
persons outside m y u s u a l social circle and resu lted in a sam ple w ith a
q u ite d iffe re n t. As m ost o f th e p ilo t sam ple had no ch ild ren w ith whom th e y
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seem ed to disap pear in th e process o f coding and categ o rizin g th em fo r
prom ise in an aly zin g th e p ilo t d a ta, and gen erated a reasonably sturdy
m ethodology, becam e less m u rky w ith closer study, and is a m ethod m ore
D a ta C ollection
Procedures follow ed
co n tin u a lly dem anded th a t I re fin e , sim p lify an d shorten th e questions. She
how w rite fie ld notes and how use a face sh eet to collect an d sum m arize
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dem ographic d a ta . She provided in s tru c tio n , exam ples and feedback on th e
respondents’ special know ledge w ith o u t fla tte rin g , how to re fra in fro m
speech p a tte rn s ; and in v ite respondents to elab o rate on these elem ents.
(B row n , 1991).
T a p in g and n o te ta k in g
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D r. D a n ie ls ’ advised ag a in s t ta p in g , suggesting th a t I ta k e w ritte n
on.
resu lts in some d u p licatio n o f e ffo rt. I found th a t I w as less a tte n tiv e to th e
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respondent, less able to fo llo w th e flow o f n a rra tiv e , and less lik e ly to use
E ven w ith excellen t eq uip m ent and adequate backup, how ever, I
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ty p is t speed, sound q u a lity , en u n ciatio n , and how m uch th e ty p is t replays
tra n s c rip tio n o f audio taped d ata. I w as fo rtu n a te to be able to em ploy one
asides, sighing, and o th er no n-verbal elem ents (A lio to , B eck & B row n, in
press).
review ed each tap e w ith its tra n s c rip t to recap tu re nuances from th e
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in te rv ie w speech, and noted w h a t m ay h ave occurred d u rin g an y pauses in
expression.
phases and com pleted th e e n tire w o rk o f tra n s c rip tio n , from th e p ilo t
D a ta A n a lysis
Processing th e d a ta
T ran scrip tio n s w ere com pleted as soon as possible fo llo w in g com pleted
becam e a v a ila b le . C om pleted tra n s c rip ts an d fie ld notes w ere firs t read
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o r d iffic u lt to in te rp re t w ere review ed and an n o tated , and discrepancies in
tra n s c rip tio n detected d u rin g sim ultaneous read in g o f th e tra n s c rip ts and
tra n s c rip t fo r m a jo r and su b sid iary them es, stories o r plo ts (G oetz &
stu d y, I developed a new lis t o f them es and plots defin ed by th e n a rra tiv e
core sto ry lin e s I cam e to see each e n tire in te rv ie w as a sin g le n a rra tiv e , a
each o f th ese n a rra tiv e s w ere one or m ore stories about an in ten se
lab els. N e x t I lis te d th e lab els , keeping a continuous ta lly o f how fre q u e n tly
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each occurred. I th e n review ed th e lab els and consolidated some th a t
occurred in fre q u e n tly and seemed to rep resen t s im ila r sto ry lin es. A t th is
b u t gave up color-coding.
as new in tervie w s w ere review ed and incorporated. The lis t o f them es had
w ere com pleted. B ased on these them es, I added probes an d questions to
p aren ts o f young ad u lts and ch ild ren , persons who rep o rted negative or
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respondent, or an id e a l guide who should be chosen fo r such service; and
schools o f th oug ht about how to trip , how to prep are, and w h a t to do w h ile
tim es using th is sum m ary to locate s a lie n t them es and to develop a sense
psychedelic use, y e a r o f firs t use, p a tte rn o f use, m ost recent use, and a lis t
respondent's life sto ry, id e n tific a tio n o f how com mon them es w ere
in te rv ie w its e lf, cu t an d pasted w ith id e n tify in g page and lin e num bers
from th e in tervie w s w ere also cu t and pasted in to a sum m ary docum ent fo r
rem oving some re p e titio n s and a lte rin g expressions such as "gonna" and
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Summary
T h is ch apter has discussed th e g en eral to pic o f n a rra tiv e research
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C hapter 4: N arrative A ccounts
R ev elatio n 11:17
described h ere fo r years, and som e stories had n ever been to ld before.
n a rra tiv e . B oth in ten sely p o sitive an d p leasu rab le, and extrem ely n eg ative
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and uncom fortable experiences w ere described in in te rv ie w s , an d are
by th e stu d y p a rtic ip a n ts .
T h e S tories
stories as elem ents o f a personal h isto ry. T h e fo llo w in g exam ples from th e
tran scrib ed in tervie w s illu s tra te how se lf- and personal experience stories
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E leven P ersonal H is to rie s
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ta lk e d about ac id , b u t ju s t th a t w hole c u ltu re . A la n G in sb erg w as a t
[C ollege], and L e a ry w as around. . .
th a t she was in a safe place and p ro vid in g h e rs e lf w ith a gu ide. D esp ite
s u rp ris in g .
a fte r d eath .
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I : A n y th in g else th a t yo u rem em ber?
R : O kay, a t some p o in t, I don’t rem em ber w hen m y guide suggested we
go to th e woods. I don’t rem em ber d riv in g th e re , I don’t rem em ber
b rin g in g th a t about. B u t I rem em ber b eing in th e woods and w a lk in g
around. A n d b egin nin g to fe e l an g ry as I began to rem em ber about
c u ltu re an d how people w ere supposed to behave. A nd I began to have
a sense th a t I w as a s e p a ra te person ag ain . U m , and s ta rted to
rem em ber th e ru le s , an d b ein g a n g ry th a t I h ad to w ear clothes!
[laughs] I t did n ’t seem reasonable th a t people should have to w ea r
clothes! A n d I fe lt v e ry m uch, um , im p riso n ed by ou r cu ltu re,
[em phatic] R e a lly w an ted to b reak o u t and be fre e in a d iffe re n t k in d o f
w ay! A n d th a t’s a ll I rem em b er ab o u t it .
I: A nd d id a n yth in g change as a re s u lt o f h a vin g done th at?
R : I ’m n o t sure. I m ean I , I to ok [classes in ] E a s te rn relig ions and I did
a lo t o f read in g , about B uddhism an d a ll o f th a t an d I don’t know i f th a t
s ta rte d before or a fte r th e acid. I t seem s lik e i t w as a ll p a rt and parcel.
I w as esp ecially a ttra c te d to B uddhism , I th in k . A nd have come back
to th a t ag a in in m y old age. [pause, h e avy sigh]
I: T e ll m e m ore about th a t? L ik e w h a t yo u r s p iritu a l and philosophical
background was? A nd how you’ve evolved in re la tio n to th at?
R : O kay. I h ad grow n up M e th o d is t, a P ro te s ta n t u p b rin g in g , and was
in te rm itte n tly in te re s te d an d u n -in te re s te d in C h ris tia n ity . U h , I thin k
it w as n o t a b ig p a rt o f m y life a t [C o lleg e], alth o u g h th ere w as alw ays
an in te re s t in a m o ral sense and a s p iritu a l sense. B u t I w asn’t alw ays
a c tiv e ly p u rsu in g th a t. I t w asn’t im p o rta n t to m e. So I studied th e
E a s te rn relig io n s some a t [C ollege], [h eav y sigh] A nd th en I th in k th ere
w ere m any years w hen I d id n ’t th in k about i t p a rtic u la rly . I m ig h t
have occasionally picked up a book, u m , and occasionally had a
co nversation.. . . I don’t re c a ll ever th in k in g about th a t acid tr ip a
w hole lo t a fterw ard s , o r b e in g aw are o f a p a rtic u la r effect. I
rem em bered it w hen I s ta rte d doing m e d ita tio n and found th e
experiences som ew hat com parable. B u t i f it changed m e, it m ay have
changed m e in w ays F m n o t aw are o f. I don’t know i f th a t w as m y firs t
experience o f a fe e lin g o f connectedness., and i t c e rta in ly was not m y
firs t experience o f fe e lin g a n g ry ab o u t o u r c u ltu re ! [laughs] B u t i t was
a p o w erfu l one! [em p h atic] I t ’s in te re s tin g though, b u t I don’t th in k I
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th o u g h t about th a t a w hole lo t a fte r th a t. M aybe fo r a y e a r o r tw o I
d id , b u t th en it sort o f faded and I w en t on to o ther things and becam e
so rt o f a fa irly stra ig h tish person, and got busy w ith , you know ,
m akin g a paycheck, feeding th e kid s, doing th e dishes sort o f s tu ff. . .
I: D id a n y th in g in th a t experience suggest to you a s p iritu a l
connotation o r a religious connotation?
R : I th in k it was suggested to m e before and by things people said,
th in g s th a t w ere w ritte n about it.
I : A nd w h a t about th e experience its elf? I m ean, d id it have s p iritu a l
dim ensions fo r you th a t you can recall?
R : Y eah , b u t not, not w h a t I w as used to th in k in g o f as s p iritu a l. U m ,
how do I p u t it? I t w asn’t about a God, lik e a C h ris tia n God k in d o f
th in g . I t w as about inter-connectedness. I don’t know i f I th o u g h t ab o u t
God a t a ll a t th a t tim e! In retrospect I w ould say th a t’s somehow m y
sense o f w h a t w h atever God th e re is m ig h t be lik e . T h a t it ’s about th a t
inter-connectedness.
I : H ow d id you come to th in k o f inter-connectedness as a s p iritu a l
experience given th a t you so rt o f knew a C h ris tia n God w ith a d iffe re n t
k in d o f p o in t o f view?
R : [pauses] . . .1 w ould guess th a t th e C h ris tia n God notion is
som ething developed by people, and th a t nobody knows about a ll o f
those b ig questions. . . A nd I don’t re a lly see God so m uch as a person.
I don’t personify God. I have no id ea who or w h at God is, o r i f th e re is
an in te llig e n c e , although th e re probably is some so rt o f in tellig en ce.
B u t w h atev er it is, those [LS D ] experiences lead m e to believe th a t w e
a ll p a rta k e in w hatever th is energy is. A nd I don’t know w h a t happens
w hen w e g et freed from th is life . B u t it, th ere’s a sense th a t w e g et to
p a rtic ip a te w ith m ore freedom and a g re a te r aw areness in some
energy th a t w e don’t com prehend ve ry w e ll. A nd I have no id ea w h a t
th a t has to do w ith th e C h ris tia n God. P robably som ething. T h ere’s a
lo t o f re a lly n e a t s tu ff in th e C h ris tia n scriptures, b u t I d id n ’t g et th a t
s tu ff w hen I w as a k id . I f it w as com m unicated I didn’t un derstand it .
So th e re ’s a tie -in . Th ere’s some v e ry in s ig h tfu l C h ris tia n s tu ff. A nd
th e re ’s some ve ry in s ig h tfu l B ud dhist s tu ff. A nd a lo t o f th e relig io n s
re a lly a ll say th e same stu ff. I t ’s [in ] th e la y practice o f th e re lig io n s , I
th in k , th a t th e re are th e problem s. Y ou know , w h eth er you . . . bow to
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th e E a s t o r th e W est! [laughs] O r w h a te v e r! A nd who cares? Y ou
know? I don’t care. T h a t’s n o t about th e connectedness. A nd th e
connectedness is im p o rta n t because, um , "The b e ll to lls fo r th ee." A nd
th e m ore w e can be, fo r m e, th e m ore I can be m in d fu l o f m y place h e re ,
and th a t sense o f connectedness, an d w ho I re a lly am , w hich is th e
sam e as you, and you are m e, and th a t old s tu ff th a t I didn’t
un derstand back in th e ‘60’s, th a t m akes a little m ore sense now . M y
life is m ore valu ab le i f I can rem em ber th a t s tu ff, [em phatic] I can
behave w ith g reater in te g rity w h en I rem em b er th a t.
in stead in to d isab lin g fears and w o rries. N e ith e r th e s p iritu a l tra d itio n in
p a rta k e .
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tim es . A n d th e n try in g to rem em ber th a t even i f th e y d ie th a t’s okay.
A n d try in g to get th a t set in m y head. A nd in m y h e a rt. A nd w e fo rg et,
an d w e fo rg e t, and w e fo rg et w h a t w e know ! [laughs] U m , th e re w ould
be b e n e fit in fin d in g m ore w ays to keep teach th is s tu ff to ch ild ren a t
younger ages w h ere i t becomes m ore o f a p a rt o f o u r c u ltu re . I
rem em ber T h ic h t N a t H a n sayin g th a t he w ished th a t every A m erican
hom e h ad a m e d ita tio n room , in a lectu re to c h ild re n . H e w as ta lk in g
about i t and he said , you kn ow , "So th a t i f D addy speaks h a rs h ly to
M om m y and M om m y needs to go to th e m e d ita tio n room , th en
everybody in th e hom e is aw are th a t M om m y’s in th e m e d ita tio n room .
Q u ie tly le t h e r m e d ita te and do h e r b rea th in g .” [laughs] T h e respect fo r
th a t k in d o f th in g , and an aw areness th a t w e a ll need th a t. O u r c u ltu re
is so "a n ti" th a t, and becom ing m ore and m ore so in th e la s t decade. I
fin d o u r c u ltu re v e ry frig h te n in g in th e la s t decade. S u ffo catin g and
frig h te n in g . U m , and I fe el lik e m y kid s a re less aw are o f th is , these
concepts, th a n I w as. O u r g en eratio n and w h a t w e d id w ith th e drugs
an d th e p o litic s an d e v e ry th in g doesn’t ap pear to h ave b en efited th e
n e x t g en eratio n . W e haven’t. I don’t th in k w e’ve ta u g h t th em an yth in g .
D B 's m a in concerns now are fo r h e r ch ild ren , and how w e ll she has
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W hen asked to give a global assessm ent o f h e r life course, DB
I: Is yo u r life w orking?
R : N o, m y life is no t w o rkin g . U m , and I th in k it ’s because, um ,
[pauses] I haven’t done a v e ry good job o f stic k in g w ith w h a t I re a lly
believe in . I, I , I th in k th a t m y life has been fa irly m indless. D oing w h at
I do. E a rn in g th e paycheck, ru n n in g h ere, ru n n in g th e re . D oing th is ,
doing th a t. S u rv iv in g th e A m erican W ay. N o t because I w a n t to
su rvive th e A m erican W ay b u t because I have to feed m y kid s,
[em phatic] A nd have been m o stly too tire d , and probably m ore th a n I
w a n t to a d m it, too a fra id a t tim e s , to step o u t. I ta lk w ith a frie n d o f
m ine a lo t about th is , and she-, h ad me w atch H a rris o n F o rd in one
In d ia n a Jones m ovie w here th e re ’s some k in d o f s p iritu a l, som eplace
th ey are and he’s got to step o ff a c liff, and know th a t it ’s going to be
okay. A nd I fo rg et w h y he has to do th a t. B u t it ’s some hero k in d o f
th in g , and he steps o ff th e c liff, and he’s okay. A nd w e keep ta lk in g to
each o th er about stepping o ff th e c liff, and tru s tin g th a t th ere w ill be
som ething th e re and w e w ill n o t fa ll to ou r deaths! [laughs] B u t, it's
re a l h a rd to do th a t i f you have 4 kids you’re responsible for! I th in k I
w ould have led a ve ry d iffe re n t life i f I had n ’t had k id s . U m , [pauses]
b u t it ’s in te re s tin g th a t w h a t I w a n t m ost fo r m y c h ild re n is to have a
sense o f in n e r being and a sense o f in te g rity . A nd honesty and kindness
and lo ving . A nd th e n I say to th em "D id you do yo u r hom ework?"
[laughs] You know? U m , and I ’ve done a ll th e sam e dam age to them
th a t m y p aren ts d id to m e w ith a ll o f th e ir love! A nd haven’t been able
to teach th em otherw ise. A nd I g et scared w hen th ey s tra y from th e
p a th , th e A m erican P a th , u m , because th e n th e y m ig h t n o t g et good
recom m endations, and be ab le to go to a good college, an d m ake m oney
and feed them selves. I m ean, u ltim a te ly it alw ays comes back to "Are
th ey going to starve to death? A re th ey going to have good m edical
care?" [laughs] A nd Fm p u ttin g th em in th e sam e m old. I also ta lk to
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th em about c re a tiv ity and s tu ff lik e th a t, b u t, um , I ’ve been a re a lly
bad m oth er! [laughs] A nd Fm paying fo r it . Fm paying fo r it cause m y
kid s [heavy sigh] are re a lly screwed up! So, I guess I feel lik e , lik e , um ,
m y life is n o t w o rkin g because Fm ve ry a fra id fo r m y ch ild ren . Fm very
a fra id o f th e c u ltu re w e liv e in . A nd Fm re a lly on a tre a d m ill la te ly .
W o rkin g tw o jobs, and Fm exhausted a ll th e tim e. M anaged C are,
"D am aged C are" has been so d estru ctive to m y fie ld ! [em phatic] A nd,
um , I , I d is lik e a lo t o f th e w ay I do m y jo b . T ry in g to , you know , keep
th e jo b because I need th e job. B u t to do it honorably, and do good w o rk
w ith m y clien ts is very, very d iffic u lt. A nd no t lik in g m yself. N o t lik in g
m any o f th e decisions I m ake on a day to day basis. A nd not h avin g
an y good answ ers. I m ean, i f I w a lk o ff th e jo b they’ll h ire somebody
fresh o u t o f [g raduate] school who doesn’t know any b etter! So th a t
doesn’t h elp m y clien ts. A nd i f I proclaim too lo udly they’ll ju s t fire m e
and th a t w on’t help m y clients. I feel im prisoned. I feel im prisoned a ll
around m e. I know th is is in m y m ind an d I ’m not re a lly im prisoned,
and th a t i f I w ould ju s t stop and m ed itate and do some yoga and e a t
h e a lth y I w ould feel a lo t b etter! [laughs] B u t Fm on a tre a d m ill so I
don’t have tim e to m ed itate. You know? A nd I ’m very aw are o f m y
tra p . A nd I ’m alw ays going to get out o f th e tra p tom orrow . Does th a t
answ er yo u r question?
fru s tra tio n s in try in g to b rin g these in sigh ts to h er m ental h e a lth w o rk,
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in te rfe re w ith h e r a b ility a c tu a lize these values in h e r w o rk and in h e r life
categories: cerem onial use, w h ich began w hen he atten d ed h is firs t N a tiv e
period in his life , w ith m any false s ta rts and pauses. H e is n o t sure
breakdow n."
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Fm ta k in g these classes." I m ean, a t th a t tim e in m y life , Gcd w as [in ]
m ath em atics, and physics, and th e h ig h e st th in g you could do was
study science! A nd so, h e re I w as doing a ll these classes, and these
w ere honors classes. Supposed to be re a lly h a rd . A nd I could s it down
and do 'em [w ith o u t stu d yin g a t a ll]! A nd come o u t w ith good grades.
A nd I th o u g h t, "W h at is th is? W h a t is th e re a lity o f this? T h is is
b u lls h it! I m ean, w h at does th is m a tte r in term s o f th e scheme o f life?
A nd th e w orld?" . . A nd re a liz in g th a t th is w asn’t re a lly im p o rta n t. I f I
could do i t th a t easily it w asn’t th a t im p o rta n t. A nd
s o ,...th e n ,...I,...s o ,... it w a s ,...a c tu a lly ,[h e a v y sigh] I ’m not sure i f it was
a b rea kth ro u g h o r a breakdow n. B u t an yw ay, i t w as d istu rb in g to m e.
. . [I w as] stu d yin g physics. "O kay, w h a t am I going to do? Fm going to
g rad u ate an d Fm going to g e t a jo b w o rk in g fo r a corporation th a t’s
m akin g w eapons. A nd no, I can’t do th a t!" So, u h , it was lik e "W hat is
th e v a lu e o f this?" O r "W h at’s th e use o f it? " So, a t th e tim e I w as also,
uh , [pauses] I was depressed a lo t. I w as p re tty em o tio n ally distu rb ed.
. . . I w as p re tty nervous. A nd I w as, um , k in d o f ju s t em otion ally
bound up; A nd I s ta rte d s h akin g , h a vin g trem o rs. M y hands w ould
shake an d s tu ff lik e th a t.
I: D id you drop out?
R : D id I drop out? Yes, I dropped out.
I: O f college?
R : U m , hum .[yes]
I: A nd w h a t happened then?
R : A c tu a lly , p a rt o f m y drop pin g out w as, u h , th a t I was p re tty
d istu rb ed . I w as p re tty crazy! I w as h a v in g episodes of, of, um , I w a n t
to say re a lly , firs tly em o tio n al stress. U m , u h , I couldn’t cope. I was
bored w ith school, w ith th e w o rk. U h , so I stopped going to class. A nd I
flu n k ed o u t. A nd th en , "O h, m y God! Fd b e tte r g e t m yself back in !" So I
ta lk e d m y s e lf back in . Y ou know? I to ld ‘em Fd been seeing counseling,
and s tu ff. I w as re a lly depressed and so I ta lk e d m yse lf back in .
I: So how w as th a t re la te d to yo u r L S D experiences?
R : W e ll, th e y increased m y lo okin g a t th e w o rld , and w h at’s re a lly
happ enin g in th e w o rld . T h e re ’s th e stan d ard , u h , [pauses] m odel o f
societal valu es and "This is how it is." T h e lo g ica l, scien tific, relig io u s
vie w p o in t. A nd some o f those th in g s aren ’t tru e , o r are o u trig h t lie s , or
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th e o u trig h t opposite o f w h a t is re a lly , tru ly harm onious in n a tu re . A nd
th en , and th en s ta rtin g to fe e l and see th is o th er, o th er re a lity , o th er
life . W hat’s re a l in life , th a t is bigger th a n th a t. T h ere’s a lo t m ore. A nd
so I started fe e lin g th a t, and th e effect o f th a t w as to c re a te m ore
stress on m e in te rn a lly . W here I was a t, you kn ow , it w as
com prom ising m y in n e r in te g rity o r w h atever, an d , u m , so I sta rte d
w an tin g to be less a p a rt o f th a t. . . I used th e phrase "tu n ed in , tu rn ed
on, and dropped o u t” . . . I use th a t fo r la c k o f a b e tte r w a y to say it ,
and because it f it th e tim es. I t ’s som ething th a t w as o u t th e re . B u t a t
th e tim e th a t w asn’t w h a t I w as consciously th in k in g . “O h , I ’m going to
tune in , and Fm going to tu rn on, and Fm going to drop o u t!” T h a t w as
th e effect. T h a t w asn’t th e in te n t. . . A fte r m y firs t experience w ith
L S D , it w as lik e , re a liz in g th a t th ere is some o th er g re a te r
consciousness.
depressed," "em o tion ally bound up," and "couldn't cope." In a d d itio n he w as
a long period w hen he "d id n 't even ta k e asp irin ." H e had n o t ta k e n an y
p a rtic ip a te .
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R : I t was th e firs t tim e I m et [a Peyote Road M a n ]. A nd it w as re a l
b rie f, b u t I could te ll th e re w as som ething th ere about h im . [em phatic]
You know? H e ju s t had a lo t o f stre n g th , a lo t o f w h atever it is , you
know , an unusual k in d of, am biance o r w h atever. D iffe re n t anyw ay.
So, strong presence. O kay? So an yw ay, so ju s t as th e M e e tin g is
s ta rtin g he stands up and s ta rts ta lk in g . W e ll, I saw th is eagle s p irit
[laughs] come o u t, Fm no t su re w h ere i t cam e from . B u t it cam e from ,
he was holding an eagle s ta ff, a s ta ff w ith an eagle head. A nd w h eth er
it came from th a t o r from b eh in d h im o r w h a t, b u t th is th in g was
about, [pauses] I don’t know , i t w as 8 or 10 fe e t ta ll! [em phatic] I t w en t
up in to th e top o f th e teepee, an d dove in to th e fire ! A nd I w en t, “O h!
T h a t w as in terestin g ! M aybe I should stay!” A nd so, a s p irit showed
its e lf to m e so th a t it w ould catch m y in te re s t and I'd stay. A nd so, so I
decided to . A nd I ate a couple little tin y spoons o f M ed icin e, o f P eyote,
and th a t ju s t re a lly d id a nu m b er on m e! [em phatic] [W hen th e Peyote
started to ta k e effect] I w en t th ro u g h a ll th is w re s tlin g around and
th en I doubled over and I w as cryin g . A nd th en th e re w ere a ll these
wom en singing. A nd i t w as lik e I w as u n d ern eath th e ground, and I
was being boro. P u lle d up o u t o f th e ground lik e I was dead, and
un dern eath th e ground! A nd b ro u g h t up. A nd so it w as re a l profound.
A nd so th e M edicine grabbed m e lik e th a t, . . . and th a t’s how I
started . So it has been a h e a lin g fo r m e in some w ay. O r m y P a th . I'v e
probably been to , I k in d o f lo s t tra c k , 70 o r 80 M eetin gs over th e
years. I t ’s done a lo t of, a lo t o f u m , a lo t o f h ealin g . I learn ed a lo t. . .
I t ’s been re a l th ere w ith th e fire and th e S p irit. Y ou know? So Tm s till
lea rn in g . T h a t’s som ething th a t w ill ta k e a long tim e to le a rn about.
A nd [comic accent] I ’m s ta rtin g to fig u re o u t th a t I don’t know nothing!
[heavy sigh].
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psychedelic experiences h ave allow ed h im to see th em in a d iffe re n t co n text
to h im .
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R ecen tly, fo llo w in g th e d e a th o f h is fa th e r, D N took "a sabbatical"
o f psychedelics:
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R : T h en on S unday i t was k in d o f a resolution, w ith everyone doing
some m ovem ent and m e d ita tio n and h avin g a discussion circle. A n d
ta lk in g , you know?
I : D id everybody ta lk ?
R : H u m , m ostly.
I : W h a t k in d o f th in g s d id people say?
R : T h ey shared th e ir experiences o f w h at had happened to th em . . . .
T h e k in d o f th in g s th a t th e y w en t through. A nd some o f th em had past
life experiences. A nd some w en t in to th e ir em otional processes, you
know? W ith th e ir m om o r dad o r w h atever. D iffe re n t. I t w as a ll
d iffe re n t levels o f th in g , w h a t happened. One o f th e th ing s I did on th e
second d ay w as a re -b irth in g . B re a th w ork, and th en a h o t tu b . A nd ,
th a t w as, um , [pauses] th a t w as a fa irly in ten se, um , [pauses]
experience fo r m e. . . I had in th e la s t few years been th ro u g h these
d iffe re n t experiences w h ere I feel lik e Fm dead. O r I fe el lik e Fm a
corpse. T h en I , o r Fd h e ar these w ords, "O h, he’s dead.” So in th is
[re b irth in g ] I rem em bered d yin g w hen I was b eing boro [as a
p re m atu re b ab y], and th e n coining back to life . D y in g and going in th e
s p irit w o rld , and th e n com ing back. So fo r m e th a t re a lly w as a ke y. I t
showed m e, it k in d o f exp lain ed w hy Fve been in th e s p irit w o rld a lo t
in m y life . A n d [w hy I] had th is , th is fragm ented o r scattered re a lity in
m y em o tio n al life . A nyw ay, it w as re a l h e lp fu l th a t w ay. I w as ab le to
see it.
I: A nd is th is an on-going process th a t’s av aila b le i f you w a n t to do it
ag ain ?
R : H e re and th e re . I don’t know how long it ’s a v a ila b le . Fm a c tu a lly
going to do i t ag ain in a couple w eeks. And th en Fm askin g to do it in
th is group, to do several, lik e tw o m onths a p a rt. Do th re e jo u rn eys and
th e n th e m onths in betw een do som ething else. I t ’s lik e a com m itted
group fo r everyone.
I: So th ey’re try in g to fo rm a group th a t w ill do a process th a t w ill be a
little lo n g er th a n ju s t a w eekend?
R : R ig h t. So th ey’l l have people th a t are com m itted, you know , [pauses]
to increase th e ir le v e l o f in tim a c y and tru s t and sh arin g , in term s o f
th e group process. So, Fm ju s t, th is w hole th in g is re a lly s im ila r to th e
[N a tiv e A m erican C hurch] M eetin g s. D iffe re n t, you know , b u t s im ila r.
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In th e beg in n in g th ere’s alw ays a k in d o f th ra s h in g around and group
w o rkin g out o f s tu ff. A nd th en th e re ’s th e p a rt w h ere you are k in d of,
s w irlin g around a lo t, you know , try in g to fig u re o u t w h a t’s going on.
A nd th e n you have th e , "O kay, now Fm s ta rtin g to consciously w o rk on
it." A nd th en you have a reso lution. Y ou know? So it ’s lik e Q uestion,
W o rk, A n sw er, R elaxatio n .
w ith his p rem atu re b irth , and w hich he perceives as a life lo n g a fflic tio n
w ith w hich he has alw ays been stru g g lin g . H is c u rre n t use o f Peyote and
d u rin g his years a college un derg rad uate an d th e process o f exp lo ratio n
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m orals. I h ave to have, some reason fo r doing th a t. O r some b e n e fit o r
p o sitive in te n t, you know? . . . W hereas, a t th a t tim e I, m y in te n t was
m ore unconscious. O r, o r i t was even som etim es, u h , d estru ctive or
w h a te v e r. I t w as ju s t lik e , “W h a t th e h e ll!” Y ou know? O r n o t, and n o t
h a v in g , you kn o w , esteem fo r m yself. O r try in g to escape, o r w h a te v e r.
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au to m atic, how ever, an d D N has discovered th a t i t is im p o rta n t to be
fro m his e a rlie r regressive n a rra tiv e o f a lie n a tio n , confusion and
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frag m e n ta tio n , w h ich h e speculates m ay have been exacerbated by his
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T h e re ’s m ore. A nd , u h , m y experience w ith psychedelics is th a t it
opened up th a t door. A nd I h ave y e t to resolve it p e rso n ally. I m ean,
m y "s p iritu a l quest” you kn ow , th e read in g , fo llo w in g . . . s p iritu a l
discip lines, m y openness to those, is m y a tte m p t a t try in g to b rin g th e
experience o f th e psychedelics in to m y d a ily life . . . I h ave to say not
everybody w ho has ta k e n psychedelics shares th e sam e experience. I
m ean, some people do it ju s t to g et h ig h . W e ll, th a t w as n o t m y
experience. I m ean, you kn ow , i t was lik e "This is yo u r w o rk." I was
d raw n , I m ean, it seems lik e m y w hole life w as k in d o f p a tte rn e d . M y
fa m ily a ll going to In d ia [as a young teenager] k in d o f cracked th e door
open. In school th e re I h ad a room m ate who w as fro m T h a ila n d and Fd
w ake up in th e m id d le o f th e n ig h t and he’d be m e d ita tin g , s ta rin g a t a
candle. A nd I w as 14 years old! W h a t th e heck! I w as to ta lly blow n
aw ay! [em phatic] So those kin d s o f th in g s, I th in k , p rep ared m e fo r th e
experience.
I : A nd how d id th a t come about? T h e experience?
[E D displays v e ry stro ng em otion d u rin g h is n a rra tio n o f th is
experience, com ing close to te a rs as he becomes im m ersed in th e
re te llin g o f his s p iritu a l aw aken in g ].
R : T h e experience? [clears h is th ro a t] W e ll, th e experience o f w hen I
lo st m yself and becam e absorbed in God, um , I th in k I w as 17 o r 18
years old. Fd a lre a d y , I ’d been ta k in g L S D fo r some tim e . N o t a lo t b u t
m aybe a year o r so. A nd m aybe a h a lf a dozen, I don’t re a lly rem em ber
it ’s so long ago. A h a lf dozen, a dozen experiences. A n d , u h , I
rem em ber i t w as so v iv id th a t I had to w rite it down. I d id n 't w a n t to
fo rg et it. B u t I k e p t com ing in and o u t o f ego consciousness. F d go back
in to w h at I c a ll Cosm ic Consciousness, o r God R e a liza tio n an d th en
back to self-ego id e n tity . A n d th en back. A nd th en back. I w as k in d o f
com ing and going in w aves, as I re c a ll. A nd th a t happened, so in itia lly
w hen I was 17 o r 18 years o ld , and th e n , u m , a few tim es
subsequently. A nd I also found th a t I could get back to th a t s ta te i f I
ju s t sm oked m a riju a n a . I becam e h yp ersen sitive. A nd th e n I h ad a
p a rtic u la r bad experience, u m , w hen I trie d to prolong th e h ig h , so to
speak, and get back to th a t s ta te o f consciousness. I sm oked too m uch
m a riju a n a and I w en t to H e ll. I b a sic ally h ad a bad tr ip . A n d th a t’s
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w hen I s ta rte d p u rsu in g o th e r, lik e m ed itatio n o r b re a th in g techniques.
Those k in d o f th in g s.
I : D id you have an y expectations w hen you firs t to o k psychedelics?
R : [answ ers q u ick ly] N o. N o t a t a ll. G et h ig h , th a t w as it . . . I w as
h an g in g w ith a crow d, th e re w ere a num ber o f th in g s going on in m y
life a t th e tim e . I had come back from In d ia to th e sam e h ig h school, th e
sam e house, th e sam e group o f frien d s, and I couldn’t re la te . I t was lik e
I w en t to th e m oon and cam e back. A nd I s ta rte d h a n g in g out w ith a
d iffe re n t crow d. T h e crow d th a t was in to m usic, an d th e a d d scene,
a lte rin g consdousness, g e ttin g high, b asically. A n d a num ber o f those
people, you kn ow , ju s t got stoned to p la y m usic and to g et h ig h . A nd
th a t w as in itia lly m y in te n t. B u t I sta rte d h avin g these o th er
experiences th a t no one in m y group seemed to h ave. O r didn’t share.
B u t th e n , I s ta rte d doing read ing s, and th e re w ere people com ing out,
lik e T im L e a ry and R ich ard A lp e rt. T h ey w ere sayin g th a t these
experiences w ere s im ila r to th e yogic experiences. So th e n I re a lize d
th a t I h ad n ’t , m aybe I h ad n ’t gone crazy! A nd th a t i t w as a le g itim a te
experience.
I: D id you th in k you w ere crazy?
R : [Spoken v e ry h e s ita n tly and so ftly, w ith m any pauses.] W e ll, n o ...I
th o u g h t...I w a s .... e n lig h te n e d ....I had seen, [long pause] N o,
a c tu a lly I d id n ’t th in k I w as crazy .... I th o u g h t I w as, I , . . I , . . I
th o u g h t....I w as en lig h ten ed ! I got th e “ah -h a!”
[As he describes th is , E D g ra d u a lly unfolds his body, fir s t uncrossing
h is legs, th e n h is arm s, an d s e ttlin g h im s e lf m ore co m fortab ly in th e
c h a ir.]
I: D id anybody else th in k you w ere crazy?
R : N o. I m a in ta in e d . Y ou know ? I continued b ein g a young a d u lt
flo u n d erin g in th e re a l w o rld . G oing to ju n io r college, ju s t ta k in g , um ,
g en eral ed u catio n classes. Som e psychology classes, I rem em ber
ta k in g a tran sp e rs o n a l psychology class and w e w ere ta lk in g about
psychedelics a t th a t tim e . U m , and I started g e ttin g in to th e m a rtia l
a rts , as w e ll. . .
I: W ould you te ll m e som ething about yo ur fa v o rite trip ? O r you m ost
u n fa v o rite trip ? O r some s ig n ific a n t trip ?
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R : U h , m ost u n fav o rite trip was th e one I ju s t described w here I trie d
to extend th e h ig h . A nd I was in m y dow nstairs room o f m y p a re n ts
hom e. A nd I a c tu a lly considered h avin g th em c a ll th e am bulance to
ta k e m e to th e [hospital] I was h avin g u n co n tro llab le flashes o f
m onsters an d cartoon characters th a t w ere, th a t I couldn’t co n tro l. I
couldn’t control m y m in d , basically. I w en t to H e ll, th a t’s, you know ,
yeah . A nd th e n th e m ost w onderful w ere th e , w ere w hen I re a lize d m y
T ru e N a tu re . W hen I lo st self-consciousness and m erged w ith T h e O ne.
I: N ow th ere’s a c e rta in q u a lity to th e w ay th a t you say th a t.
R : [laughs] U h , huh?
I : A nd I w onder i f you’d lik e to com m ent on th at?
R : M erg in g w ith The One?
I : Y eah.
R : [long pause] I t can’t be described. I m ean, th a t’s it . T h a t’s th e
closest description. Loss o f s e lf-id e n tity and becom ing w h at seem s lik e
cosm ic consciousness. J u s t consciousness th a t pervades everyth in g .
C om plete peace.
I : So th a t little , s lig h tly sidew ays sm ile th a t you m ade w hen you said
"becom ing one" was to in d icate th a t th a t w asn’t a v e ry good
description?
R : U m , no. I t ’s a sm ile th a t is , "You know and I know w h at it is .” A nd I
can’t describe it beyond th a t.
I : O kay.
R : I t ’s lik e "G -D ." You know? You can’t describe God! [em phatic] I m ean
th a t’s, it ’s T h a t experience.
A lth oug h E D did not drop out, he did experience a deep depression
be.
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I : U m , so did th in g s change in yo u r life as a re s u lt o f these
experiences?
R : M y outlook on life . U m , I w e n t through some depressions, um , to the
p o in t o f seeing a th e ra p is t in m y e a rly ‘20’s, so it was a few years a fte r
[I took psychedelics]. I can’t re a lly d ire c tly connect th e experiences, b u t
I , m y w hole life , I had th is d ram a. In retrospect, I th in k th e depression
had to do w ith try in g to f it in . In fa c t, th a t's one o f th e th in g s th a t came
up w ith th e th e ra p is t. A lw ays try in g to f it in , and fe elin g lik e I never fit
in . U m , b u t I never b ro u g h t up th e th in g about th e psychedelics and
th is experience. [M y th e ra p is t] w ouldn’t have been able to g et it. So I
had th a t episode in m y life , and ever since I ’ve been doing th e , you
know , th e outside d ram a. T h e dance. You know? G e ttin g m a rrie d ,
h avin g a k id , p ayin g a m ortgage, h avin g a professional jo b . Y ou know?
B u t it ’s, Fm ju s t, it ’s n o t fu lfillin g to m e and Fve dabbled w ith going to
[a m ed itatio n center] and doing some day-long re tre a ts . I haven’t re a lly
done any m ore in te n s iv e m e d ita tio n re tre a ts . B u t I am d raw n tow ards
th a t p ath or those experiences.
I : You m ade a gesture back th e re , you said Fve alw ays so rt o f had a
dram a and th en you m ade th is so rt o f w ave in th e a ir. Is th a t your
s p irits th a t w ere going up and down in .that? O r som ething else?
R : N o. I th in k th a t’s th e e x te rn a l dance th a t Fve been doing. The
fa m ily , th e m ortgage, th e career.
I: So th e th in g th a t’s d iffe re n t is th a t you’re doing th e sam e th ing s b u t
you feel th em d ifferen tly?
R : N o. I ju s t don’t fe e l th a t th e re ’s tru e satisfactio n th e re . T h a t th ere’s
som ething m issing.
I: Do you th in k you’d be h a p p ie r i f you didn’t have th a t feelin g? I m ean,
is it an unhappiness?
R : N o. I th in k it ’s m y c a llin g . A nd it ’s m ore lik e th e sa n ya sin ,[ a H in d u
renu nciate] and th a t m ay be in th e cards fo r m e. W hen m y son is
grow n and on his ow n I m ay g ive it up and go. I t ’s lik e , you know , th e
story o f S id d h arth a. R ig h t now Fm in th e d ram a, Fm doing th e th in g .
Fm doing th e, you kn ow , th e e x te rn a l dram a. B u t th ere’s s till th e p u ll. .
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R : Y es. N o t as m uch o f a yogi as Fd lik e to be som etim es. I g e t caugh t
up in th e dram a m ore th a n Fd lik e . . .
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R : W e ll, th e re is a c e rta in p a rt o f secret to it . L ik e c o n fid e n tia lity h e re
[in th is stu d y]. B u t Fm n o t, I m ean , it ’s c e rta in ly n o t som ething Fm
asham ed of. I t ’s ju s t som ething th a t you can e ith e r re la te to it, o r you
can’t. Y eah , it ’s a problem . I fe e l lik e , u h , u m , [long pause] w e ll,
p a rtic u la rly w ith m y w ife , um , I can’t sh are a ll o f m yse lf w ith h e r
because she doesn’t have th a t backg ro un d.
I : W o u ld she disapprove?
R : N o ....I don’t...N o ....S h e know s th a t I used to do psychedelics. U m , i t ’s
ju s t th a t she can’t re la te to it . S he’s a social a c tiv is t. She’s v e ry m uch
in th e w o rld and, you kn ow , th a t’s w h a t I ad m ire about h e r. B u t she
d id n ’t have th e sam e experiences th a t I d id . A nd so, th e re ’s a c e rta in
p a rt o f m e th a t she can’t re la te to .
I : A re you th e sam e age?
R : She’s a c tu a lly o ld er. B y 2, alm o s t 3 years. So she cam e ou t o f th e
sam e e ra , b u t a t a d iffe re n t, she w as th e a n ti-w a r, c iv il rig h ts ,
co m m u n ity a c tiv is t. Y eah . M u ch m ore th a n I . I w as th e "change fro m
w ith in [type]." You know ? C hange th e w o rld from changing y o u rself
k in d o f th in g .
I : I recognize th a t.
R : Y e a h . So w e k in d o f co m p lim en t each o th e r in th a t reg ard . B u t
th e re ’s th a t, th ere is th a t, th a t chasm th a t is betw een us.
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I : H a v e psychedelics changed y o u r th in k in g ?
R : M y th in k in g ? M y th o u g h t processes or [laughs] how I view th e
w orld?
I : E ith e r o f those.
R : O kay. U m , d e fin ite ly how I v ie w th e w orld! [em phatic, answ ers
q u ickly] Fm m uch m ore open to th e id ea th a t, um , th ere is such a th in g
as, u h , k a rm a . U h , [pauses] th a t th e re ’s a cosmic o rd er to th in g s. U m ,
[pauses] so in th a t w ay I th in k it ’s opened m y m ind to th a t w ay of, to ,
to , to th a t w ay o f th in k in g o r perceiving.
I: W ere you raised in a s p iritu a l p a th as a child?
R : N o. I w as n o t. I w en t to a , m y p aren ts took us to a church, b u t m ore
fo r a good social exposure. N o th in g s p iritu a l about it. U m , um , [long
pause] I rem em ber a fte r h a v in g those experiences I started read in g
R am a K ris h n a and R am an a M a h a rs i. A nd w h a t th e y ta lk e d about
w as th e experience th a t I h ad . I m ean, th a t was it! [em phatic] A n d I
don’t know i f I had been read in g , I don’t th in k I was read in g th a t k in d
o f th in g before m y experiences. B u t, I needed some v a lid ity . T h a t’s
w h a t i t w as. I needed, you know , i t w as so overw helm ing. To m e, i t was
God! I w as in lig h t! I m ean, I re a lize d m y T ru e N a tu re . W h atever you
w a n t to c a ll it . A nd, uh , th en I s ta rte d looking around and read in g and
I re a lize d th a t these people had h ad those experiences and th a t th is
w as indeed a genuine [pauses] you know , relig io u s experience. O r
w h a te v e r you w a n t to c a ll it . B u t these people had done it, not w ith
psychedelics. . . So th a t k in d o f set m e on, th e psychedelics set m e on a
p a th , b u t th en I s ta rted w a n tin g to do it , um , uh , you know , th ro ugh
n a tu ra l m eans. N o n -d ru g m eans.
I: So you recognized th a t you h ad had a s p iritu a l experience on ly w hen
you got th a t context provided b y fin d in g these readings? O r d id you
know i t fo r w h a t i t was w hen you had it?
R : F o r w h a t i t w as, as I re c a ll. I m ean, you know , I w as in ecstasy!
[em phatic] I w as, “T h is is it! T h is is th e big jo ke about life ! Th is is th e
secret o f life !”
I : [laughs] Is n ’t it? [laughs]
R : A nd I , you know , I, as I s it h ere ta lk in g about it, you know , it ’s
W hew ! I go rig h t back th e re , an d, u h , yeah. I t ’s th e e te rn a l, th e
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e te rn a l, uh , consciousness. I t ’s rig h t th e re . W e’re ju s t, Fm ju s t h an g in g
o u t in th a t w o rld .
I : So, have you ever had th is experience o r th is s tate o f being come
back to you spontaneously?
R : [long pause] I can’t re c a ll it happening spontaneously. W hen I sm oke
m a riju a n a ,som etim es. Fm very sen sitive to it and som etim es F ll ju s t,
it ’ll p u t m e in th a t, F ll be rem inded. F ll lose s e lf-id e n tity and ju s t
become consciousness.
I : Is th a t ever inconvenient?
R : N o , because I sm oke, u h , I don’t sm oke m a riju a n a socially. I don’t. I
use it fo r, [pauses] fo r specific reasons. N o t to g et h ig h . N o t to socialize
w ith .
I: So no flashbacks?
R : Spontaneously? N o . N o t th e exact experience. I can get calm and
peaceful and p u re consciousness th ro u g h m e d ita tio n . Through q u ie tin g
down m y m in d . B u t it ’s n o t th e sam e. Y ou know? T h a t "This is it." Th e
ah -h a! Y ou know? T h e A w aken in g experience.
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a re ]. . . A n d I th in k th e psychedelics d id th a t fo r m e. A llow ed m e to
s h a re , to g et to th e ir space w ith o th e r, you know , beings.
m a tte rs .
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I : A nd has th a t been an on-going p a tte rn since w hen you firs t took
them ?
R : Y eah . Y eah . Fd say th a t since I fir s t took th em . . . every th re e
m onths is an average. Fve gone a y e a r and no t ta k e n any. A nd , you
kn ow , Fve trip p ed th re e tim es in a w eek. T h a t’s p re tty un usual and
u n d e r special circum stances.
I : D id yo u r psychedelic experiences a ffe c t yo u r u n d erstan d in g o f
yourself?
R : [pauses] I th in k so.
I : C an you say how?
R : [pauses] I th in k it ’s ta k e n some years to fe e l th a t m ore. B u t, u m , I
th in k e a rlie r it w as h a rd e r m aybe because th e re w asn’t a lo t o f good
guidance. B u t Fd have these w o n d erfu l tim es. A nd th en as I w as
com ing down it w ould be lik e , "W hy don’t w e ju s t have th a t b eau ty I
could see w hen I w as tripp ing ?" Y ou know? A nd sp ecifically, I
rem em ber being up a ll n ig h t read in g th e screenplay fo r H a ir . You
know ? A nd you know , th a t w hole th in g : "How can th ey try to end th is
beauty?" A nd w as lik e : "W h at can w e do to change that?" So th e re ’s
alw ays a fru s tra tio n because, you kn ow , even though you saw th is
b e au ty now you’re dow n. A nd now you’ve got to go back to school or
w o rk. A nd i t probably w asn’t u n til I , you know , fin ish ed m y [education]
th a t I re a lize d , “O h, okay. M aybe I have some pow er to do som ething
now .” A nd it probably w asn’t u n til ’88 w hen I a c tu a lly took some tim e
aw ay fro m [w orking] th a t I sta rte d fe e lin g re a lly h a p p ier about m y
a b ility to liv e m y visio n . So th a t w as probably th e beginning o f m y
becom ing an a c tiv is t in an y k in d o f re a l w ay. E ven though m y h e a rt
w as alw ays in it , th e re w ere th e p ra c tic a l re a litie s . You've got to go to
school, and you got to do th is w o rk. So th a t p o ss ib ility th a t m y w o rk
could also be som ething th a t could change th e w o rld , th a t had to come
la te r. A fte r I set up th in g s, I guess. A nd Fm s till in th a t. You know?
L ik e how to best do th a t. So, w h a t w as th e question? H as i t affected
m y life?
I: D id it change yo u r u n d erstan d in g o f yourself? W e ll, you kn ow , a ll
these questions are v a ria tio n s on th e them e o f "H as it affected yo u r
life .? ” I t ’s ju s t a lo t o f d iffe re n t w ays to g et a t it. So, um , do you th in k
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yo u r values a re d ifferen t? O r yo u r goals are d iffe re n t because o f your
use o f psychedelics?
R : I th in k so. I th in k I ’m , I have m ore o f a tendency to look a t
som ething as "How can w e a ll b e n e fit from this?" R a th e r th an , you
know , "How can m y group benefit? A nd w h a t can w e ta k e from the
o th e r group? You know? T h a t doesn’t m ake sense to m e.
I: To th in k th a t way?
R : To th in k th a t w ay. W hereas i f you, you know , i f I had never [had
those experiences] and I ’d gone in to [business school] w h at th ey w ould
have ta u g h t m e, Fm ju s t guessing cause I d id n ’t ta k e [economics], it
w ould be lik e , "W e ll, th is is th e economy and th ere are some people th a t
are th e w o rkers.” You know? I m ean, th a t’s w h a t it seems lik e . Even
governm ents ru n on th a t. A nd th is w hole W o rld T rad e O rg an izatio n
th in g , you know , it ’s n o t lik e "How can w e h elp th e m ost people?" I t ’s
m ore lik e , you know , "M aybe it w ill tric k le dow n. B u t th ere’s an
econom y to be invoked h ere." You know? So I have a bigger view th a t
w an ts to in clu d e, you know , "How can we m ake i t so th e people
stru g g le less?”
I: U m , hum . A nd th a t’s a W ay in w hich you fe el th a t you’ve been
changed by psychedelic experiences th a t you’ve had?
R : U m , hum .[yes]
I: Is th a t because o f an increase o f insight?
R : I th in k so. I t feels to m e lik e w hen I have those visions o f oneness
th a t I a c tu a lly see, you know , w e don’t have to be stru g g lin g . T h a t
th e re ’s som ething, th e re ’s some o th er w ay th a t th is could be. W here it
doesn’t have to be, you kn ow , us fig h tin g fo r th e best scraps.
social change and social ju s tic e . A t age 53 , he is com fortable w ith his life
tim e to tim e .
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com m uted up th e subw ay 75 blocks and w en t to w o rk in a [big
in s titu tio n ] every d ay fo r probably about a y e a r and a h a lf. A nd th en
d u rin g th e la tte r p a rt o f th a t tim e th e re w ere m ore th ing s going on
lo c a lly w ith psychedelics. I s ta rte d ta k in g m ore trip s on w eekends, and
got in vo lved w ith a place th a t Th e League fo r S p iritu a l D iscovery had
set up on th e L o w er W est S ide as a haven fo r people w ho w ere h avin g
bad trip s . I w ould w o rk a t [m y re g u la r job] in th e day tim e [laughs]
and th e n go dow n th e re and ta lk to people and hang o u t w ith people
th a t w ere com ing in o ff th e streets in th e evenings. T h a t ev e n tu a lly ,
you know , got to a p o in t w h ere I could no longer continue in th a t
p o la rity . A nd so I dropped o u t and le ft N ew Y o rk.
I: So w h a t w as th e effect o f a ll th is on your em otional w ell-being? W ere
you affected?
R : I w as m uch h ap p ier! [em p hatic] [laughs] Y eah , m uch h ap p ier. A nd
no t p a rtic u la rly because o f psychedelics, b u t being in vo lved w ith th e
stre e t energy an d th is k in d o f fe e lin g o f som ething big going on on th e
stre e t le v e l, it m ade it h a rd e r and h a rd e r fo r m e to w o rk [w here I w as
w o rkin g ]. Because h ere I w as s ittin g s till, doing [very precise] w o rk, so I
was doing th is little , p e tite , d e lica te stage-by-stage s tu ff. A nd th e re s t o f
m y life w as expan din g a t th e speed o f sound! You know? So it becam e
obvious th a t I couldn’t do th e tw o o f them to g eth er fo r v e ry long. . .
I : A nd w h a t ab o u t yo u r values? H av e psychedelics affected yo ur
values?
R : I'm n o t sure, [pauses] I m ean, one o f th e th ing s I ’ve done, w hich is a
little d iffe re n t th a n a lo t o f people, I to ta lly dropped out fo r a num ber o f
years. A nd th e n w e n t back an d found m yself as a p a re n t w ith m y
w ife ’s kid s and m y ow n. T h a t’s 6 k id s , and so I w en t back and fig u red
ou t a w ay to m ake a liv in g . A nd developed a re la tiv e ly s tra ig h t
business an d a ll o f th a t. A nd th e n e v e n tu a lly it d id w h a t it needed to
do, w hich w as su p p o rt m e and m y w ife and kid s. A nd th e n I no longer
w as in te re s te d in doing th a t so I dropped o u t ag ain . B u t, u m , I don’t
a ttrib u te th a t p a rtic u la rly to psychedelics. I w ould have been a
d iffe re n t person i f I had stayed in N ew Y o rk [kep t m y jo b ], and gone out
and been th e up an d com ing young [N ew Y o rk e r]. B u t I don’t know how
fa r I w o uld have gone, kn o w in g m y ow n n a tu re , before I w ould have
dropped o u t o f th a t an y how ! I m ean, an o th er w hole aspect o f th is is
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th a t I d id n ’t s ta rt m y underground experiences w ith psychedelics. I
w e n t o ff and trie d to be a b e a tn ik fo r a num ber o f y ears, an d was
in vo lved in V enice, C a lifo rn ia w ith th e w hole b e a tn ik m ovem ent. A nd
th e n w en t back to college in th e m idd le o f th a t, so I h ad gone through
th a t experience o f going back and fo rth . Some people w ho dropped o u t
ju s t w hen I encountered psychedelics took it on m ore as a to ta l life
change, never to be resolved ag ain , w hich I d id n 't p a rtic u la rly . I m ean,
i t changed m y life a lo t in th a t i t k in d o f bridged a lo t o f gaps in m y
th in k in g so th a t IV e been able to develop a m ore personal re lig io n . I t ’s
ta u g h t m e a lo t m ore about w h a t m y m otivations a re as fa r as, uh, n o t
g e ttin g on tangents and fe e lin g th a t th a t’s th e only th in g possible
going, and th a t H I never be doing an yth in g else. I don’t do th a t k in d o f
s tu ff anym ore.
u n satisfa cto ry conventional life p lo ts. H M 's n a rra tiv e describes h is life as
th is m ay be d iffe re n t fo r others:
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and involvem ent w ith drugs, n o t ju s t psychedelics, w as a personal
a tte m p t to m ake them selves in cap able o f g e ttin g sucked in to th e r a t
race! A nd it was th e only w ay th ey could fin d in them selves to b a ttle
som ething th a t th e y ’d seen th e ir p aren ts and th e ir older re la tiv e s and
a ll get sucked in to . A nd th e y w ere sem iconscious o r conscious attem p ts
on some w ays to m ake them selves u n e lig ib le fo r th a t te m p tatio n . F o r
w o rk. A nd fo r those kid s I th in k , you know , some o f them have gone not
p a rtic u la rly back to th e r a t race b u t have found o th er w ays o f going
ahead w ith th e ir personal evolvem ent, and fin d in g th e business, hom e
and fa m ily th a t su its 'em . A n d I th in k some o f th em didn’t, [or] haven’t.
encountered th ere.
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k in d o f th in g . . . I see m y com puter doing it w hen i t goes back th ro u g h
th e "fix th e files" and a ll these nam es come up, and every once in a
w h ile th e re ’s some th a t com e up th a t you recognize fo r a m om ent, an d
th e n you zoom on back th ro u g h s tu ff. T h a t I consider a re lig io u s
experience. T h a t I consider a k in d o f v a lid a tin g o f th e id ea th a t I had
h ad about c e llu la r m em ory. A n d I know th a t one o f m y firs t
in carn a tio n s, or one o f m y firs t recognitions o f c e llu la r m em ory, is th a t
o f a sm all tre e frog in som ew here lik e B ritis h G uyana. Y ou know ?
T h a t’s k in d o f w here i t le ft o ff, w ith m e as th is little frog s ittin g on a
lim b in th e ju n g le , [laughs] A n d o th er experiences. . . Fve h a d p la n ts
ta lk to m e. T e ll m e who th e y a re and th a t th ey can be, uh , k in d o f
in te ra c te d w ith , you know . I m ean th ey didn’t, th e leaves w eren ’t
fla p p in g and th ey w eren’t " ta lk in g ," b u t n a tu ra lly th ey a ttra c te d m e
an d th e y s ta rted ta lk in g an d te llin g w h at th ey w ere. O ne exam p le o f
th a t w as w hen I was in B o u ld e r,. . . we w en t o u t th e fro n t door, an d
th e re w as th is old elm tre e th a t had been rig h t w here th e re w ere
se veral sets o f w ires overhead to it . I t had been c u t and chopped and
c u t o ff u n til it was b a sic ally ju s t th is big set o f b u rls w ith a fe w little
branches on top. A nd it ju s t m oaned and groaned and it w as ju s t, you
kn o w , you could fe el th e en ergy o f th is poor th in g try in g to s ta y a liv e !
A n d co n tin u a lly being slashed and hacked to b its! A nd th e en erg y o f it ,
you know , was k in d o f astounding! [em phatic]. . . A n o th er experience I
h ad . . . W e decided w e w ere going to have chicken fo r supper. A n d
th e re w ere a bunch o f k in d o f scraggly chickens ru n n in g aro u n d , so I
cau g h t a couple o f th em . A n d w e had a ll taken psychedelics in th e
aftern o o n , and I w en t an d cu t th e heads o ff a couple o f th em to h ave fo r
su pp er. A nd in side o f m y b ra in , in m y visu al b ra in , was th is "splat" o f
en erg y. I t k in d o f looked lik e som ething out o f th e Zap com ics, a m u lti
p o in ted s ta r w ith in a m u lti po inted s ta r w ith in a m u lti p o in ted s ta r.
A n d it k in d o f stuck in m y b ra in fo r several m onths. A nd m y
in te rp re ta tio n was th a t i t w as th e physical energy o f th e ax h ittin g th e
neck o f th e chicken. A nd th e chicken going out th a t w ay. . .
I : So have psychedelics affected th e w ay th a t you th in k?
R : Y eah . Y eah . I m ean, A s fa r as th e chem ical in te ra c tio n in m y b ra in
an d th in k in g in th a t sense, I don’t know i f th ey have or no t. T h e y v e ry
possibly have. U h , as fa r as m y a ttitu d e in th in k in g , yeah! V e ry m uch!
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A n d Fm a m uch h u m b ler person now th a n I was before these
experiences. A nd a t th is p o in t anybody can te ll m e a n y th in g and F ll
believe 'em ! I m ig h t n o t re a c t to it . I f somebody comes in and says th a t
th e re ’s a green b ear on top o f th e teleph on e pole I don’t doubt th a t th e y
fe e l th e re ’s a green b e ar on top o f th e telephone pole! As to w h e th e r Fm
going to s ta rt s e llin g tic k e ts o r n o t, I m ig h t not.
I: [laughs]
R : B u t it ’s not th a t I doubt th e ir p erception .
I: So th a t, lik e , th ere’s m ore d iffe re n t ran g e o f p o ssib ilities fo r th in g s
th a t could be tru e o r real?
R : [answ ers quickly] O h , yeah! [em p h atic] Y eah . V e ry m uch.
I: Is th a t accurate? I m ean , w h a t I said , is th a t accurate?
R : Y eah . Y eah. T h a t’s how I w o u ld , you know , th e tru th is re la tiv e ,
[laughs]
in tellig en ces , encounters w ith persons fro m o th e r h isto ric tim es , an d "holes
consciousness.
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R : W e ll, I m ean, it ’s ju s t w h a t i t is . Fve had a lo t o f re a lly in cred ib le
psychedelic experiences! [em p h atic] U h , I have no idea w h a t th ey
m ean. I haven’t, you know , picked up th e bann er and gone o ff p arad in g
around to , you know , cam paign fo r th em . B u t, w h at th ey b asically
have show n m e is th a t th e re is so m uch m ore out th ere th a t we don’t
even h ave a clue about! O r how a ll th e th in g s out th ere in te ra c t w ith
each o th e r. O r any o f t h a t . . . th e re is re a lly an aw fu l lo t th ere th a t w e
don’t kn ow . A nd, u h , [using] psychedelics is a w ay th a t I had o f try in g
to experience some o f th a t. A nd k in d o f because o f th a t experience, th a t
w as also b asically w hy I stopped ta k in g psychedelics; in th a t I re a lly
fe lt th a t I w as on an e le v a to r th a t h ad no flo o r num bers! A nd th a t
you'd open th e door and you’d be som eplace, and th en you’d go back
and close it , and th e n e x t tim e you’d be som ewhere else. A nd th ere w as
no w ay to co rrelate betw een one place and th e other. Th ere w asn’t an y
consistency here. A nd so I fig u re d th a t I needed to go back and get
some ground w o rk, and try to fig u re o u t w h a t some o f th a t s tu ff m ean t.
A nd also, you know , how it re la te d .
I : A nd h ave you done th at?
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understood as a s ta b ility n a rra tiv e , in w h ich he m ade some co nventional
u n derstand ing and personal valu es. A n a lte rn a tiv e in te rp re ta tio n w ould be
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experiences rein fo rced h e r sense th a t e v e ry th in g th a t exists is a liv e , and
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h ere fo r a purpose, b u t somehow it w as n o t b ein g v e ry c le a rly
expressed b y o u r beings, [laughs] A nd you kn ow , Fd ju s t get locked
in to th a t question over and over and over ag ain ! N o m a tte r w h a t
m ilie u I w as in . W h eth er it w as ju s t m e w re s tlin g w ith m y own being,
or w h eth er th a t I w as in a social s itu a tio n . T h a t’s alw ays [em phatic]
th e question m y in te rio r w as stru g g lin g w ith .
I: Say th e question?
R: [pauses] T h e un iverse is an in te llig e n t m an ife s ta tio n , and it is
an im ate in a ll o f its p a rts . A nd th e question is , is “H ow do w e e a s ily go
along w ith its dance, in a w ay th a t m akes us and I t fe e l good a t th e
sam e tim e?” G e ttin g m y s e lf to fe e l good has been a v e ry b ig d eal in m y
life .
I: T h is sounds lik e a m em orable experience.
R: I t is! I b rin g it up because it ’s th e epitom e o f a ll th e others.
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younger age th a n [w hen I started ] ta k in g psychedelics. I would
describe m yse lf as so cially retard ed , in th a t I d id n ’t le a rn to relax and
ju s t m ake noise w ith people u n til I w as about 25. So w h a t I th in k is
th a t probably before th e e a rly use o f psychedelics, I ju s t k in d o f was
th is extrem ely locked-in person. I th in k th a t I w ould have been
enm eshed and not been ab le to leave th e u n iv e rs ity had I not taken
psychedelics, [em phatic] I believe th a t I w ould have s till been en trained
in th e sam e d irectio n . A nd th a t I don’t th in k th a t I w ould have bravely
stepped o ff in to , " I don’t know w here I ’m going! [em phatic] I ju s t know
th a t Fm leavin g!" B u t I never achieved an y k in d o f re a lly long lastin g
sense o f ease w ith psychedelics. A nd since I w asn’t a good p a rty g irl
behind it , I d id n ’t very often encounter th em [pauses] [long pause] I t
ju s t k in d o f in terlo cked w ith w h at was happening w ith [m y] whole
rejectio n o f th e academ ic m ode, w hich w as to ta lly in co nflict w ith w h at
I perceived as being necessary fo r ou r g e n eratio n , w hich was quite
d e fin ite ly to le a rn how to liv e in peace, [em p hatic] F in ish in g m y
education, o r going in to grad school, it seem ed to m e, w as absolutely
no t going to h elp . So l h ad alread y dropped o u t b y [the tim e I took
L S D ]. I took acid a nu m b er o f tim es, and I do rem em ber th a t people
w ere n o t com fortable aro u n d m e because I d id n ’t experience th e same
k in d of, um , Sunshine D aydream experience th a t everyone else seemed
to have! [em phatic]
social aw kw ardness.
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v is ite d h e r U n iv e rs ity . T h e group w ith w h ich she w as associated trav eled
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how o r w hy a n y th in g happens in th e w o rld ! [em p h atic]. . . T h en I had a
w e ird , I don’t know how w eird it is , [takes a deep b re a th ] I had an
experience, a life experience th a t happened on th e “n a tc h .” [the
n a tu ra l—w ith o u t h a v in g ta k e n any drugs] You know? T h a t w en t on fo r
days, and i t w as th e m ost psychedelic th in g th a t h ad e v e r happened in
m y life ! [em phatic] A n d had I n o t ta k e n psychedelics b efo re, I w ould
h ave been re a lly fre a k e d ! B u t th e re w as a tim e perio d a nu m b er o f
years back w h ere m y experience w as of, “O h, I ’m trip p in g on th e
n a tch !” A nd n o t o n ly th a t, I trip p e d on th e natch fo r a w ee k and a h a lf!
M ayb e tw o w eeks. A n d w h a t I m ean is th a t a ll o f [m y] in fo rm a tio n
levels w ere h ap p en in g a t th e sam e tim e . A nd th is tim e I w asn’t scared
o f it . I was able to be m ore o f an observer inside m yself, an d recognize
it . [em phatic] A n d ju s t k in d o f ta k e in th e in fo rm atio n .
I: W as th a t a "flashback"?
R : I s till th in k th a t i t d id happen n a tu ra lly , I can fin d no o th er
ex p lan atio n , and I don’t know about [pauses] th is loosely used te rm
"flashback", I don’t kn o w th a t I had a flashback. B u t I ’m n o t sure w h at
o th e r people’s d escrip tio n s are. I c e rta in ly did n ’t fla s h b ack in to the
sam e thoughts. I d id n ’t fla sh back in to experiencing th e sam e day. I
d id n ’t flash back in to th e sam e h a llu c in a tio n ! I m ig h t h a ve, um , flashed
b ack in to th e sam e [pauses] progression o f e x p e rie n tia l question and
an sw er in a p a rtic u la r w ay. B u t I fe e l lik e th is fla sh b ack s tu ff is some
k in d o f w eird , loose te rm . Cause i f anyone w ould have [laughs]
experienced th a t, I re a lly w ould have, an d I th in k i t is a bunch o f
hooey! [laughs] U n less you m anaged to sw allow a non-dissolving cap [a
dose o f LS D ] th a t fin a lly dissolved a fte r 20 years or som ething!
[laughs]
I: W e ll now le t m e say fo r th e sake o f th e tap e, le t m e g e t i t clear. W h at
you ju s t said, I do b e lie v e , is th a t you’ve had experiences th a t w ere
s im ila r to experiences th a t you had a fte r you knew you to o k
psychedelics, b u t w h en you knew you hadn’t ta k e n a n y psychedelics?
B u t th ey’re n o t w h a t yo u w ould c a ll flashbacks? O r th e y ’re no t w h at
o th e r people seem to be c a llin g flashbacks?
R : [answ ers q u ick ly] E x a c tly ! E xac tly !
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Psychedelics have som etim es propelled M O in to u n u su al realm s,
ongoing use.
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you have an experience th a t doesn’t exp lain its e lf to you fo r a re a lly
long period o f tim e . B u t th en you do re a lly recognize th e answ er w hen
it comes w a lk in g up
I: O h, say som ething about th at?
R : I f you re a lly have a larg e problem th a t experience could ve ry w e ll
h elp you p u t yo u r fin g e r on th e problem . A nd you m ig h t no t solve th e
problem d u rin g th e [psychedelic] experience b u t th e , w h a t happened to
you d u rin g yo ur experience you could m aybe use as a s ta rtin g p o in t for
w h at it is th a t you need to w o rk on.
seem ing w illingn ess o f others to do so. She has g ra d u a lly gained an
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arrogance to describe m y s e lf a t th a t v e ry young stage o f developm ent
because I ra n in to so m any people from o th er cu ltu res w ho seem ed to
be in touch w ith these kin ds o f tra d itio n s . . . I t fe lt to m e th a t th e ["N ew
Age"] response w as im m a tu re , in th a t m aybe w h a t th e y w ere doing
w as le a d in g them selves dow n some k in d o f p ath w h ere th e y w ould have
a v e ry h a rd tim e . S elf-proclaim ed sham ans have seem ed to m e to be
dangerous people, in th a t, um , sham ans are p a rt o f a com m unity, and
i f th e y can’t tra n s la te th e ir experiences and b rin g i t back to th e people
th e y ’re useless. T h ey don’t deserve th e nam e. I fe e l w ay m ore generous
to w ards th a t cast o f ch aracters a t th is age. . . B u t it ’s o n ly because o f
life passages.
fle x ib le group w h ere she has m any strong allian ces, and in w h ich she
and d is ru p tiv e fo r h e r and those around h er; one a fte r a m oderate dose o f
is 53 years old.
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experiences w ith L S D , tw o o f w h ich she describes as "extrem ely
unpleasant."
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trip w as a re a l good one. I t w as "H ey, M is te r Tam bourine M an!" -- th e
Bob D y la n song! [laughs] A nd I p layed i t over and over ag ain , and
every sin g le w ord o f th a t song is tru e ! [laughs] W as tru e . A nd w ill
alw ays be tru e .
I: W hen you w ere ta lk in g about y o u r firs t trip , you said you w ere in a
s tate w h ere you w ere one w ith , I th in k you said you w ere one w ith th e
universe?
R : I guess w h a t I m ean t w as th e connectedness betw een everyth in g .
A nd I t w as ju s t re a lly obvious.
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w h ere fo r m onths on end, every tim e a siren cam e by I th o u g h t, "O h,
th e y 're com ing to get m e. Cause I'm re a lly nu ts! A n d th e on ly th in g
th a t's keeping m e sane is th e fa c t th a t I'm n o t le ttin g anybody know
th a t I'm re a lly crazy!" A nd one o f th e in m ates in th is m en tal
in s titu tio n . . . said, "O h, are you new here?" A nd I w as sure he was
considering m e a new p a tie n t! A nd th e n , th e re w as a m ovie about
people and schizophrenia and going crazy, . . . an d i t was v e ry scary
fo r m e! [em phatic] I t w as lik e , "O h, th is is w h a t I'm re a lly lik e ! B u t I'm
going to p reten d to be sane." A nd I pretended to be sane. O r, m y
reco llection is th a t I pretended fo r long enough th a t I fin a lly w as okay.
I h ad an o th er trip a fte r th a t, th a t m y husband in sisted on. L ik e th re e
m onths a fte r m y baby w as bora. A nd she w as s ta rtin g to sleep
th ro u g h th e n ig h t, and I had, um , ta k e n m ilk and fro zen it. I took [LS D ]
an d I fe lt v e ry uncom fortable. Because I w as b ein g forced in to it . I t w as
lik e , "You have to do th is now." A n d , um , I w oke h e r up alm ost an ho u r
a fte r I got stoned. I m ean, ju s t m y vibes w oke h e r up . A nd I co uld n't
fig u re out how to give h e r a b o ttle . She had never h a d one in h e r life . .
. A n d , you know , th re e m onths a fte r you have a baby is lik e "G et a
g rip !" I should have kn o w n . A nd a fte r a C esarean, too. So, you know ,
m a jo r su rg ery. [B u t m y husband] w as ju s t re a lly anxious. H e said,
"W e ll, w e have to do th is now." A nd I w as lik e , "O h, okay. T h e little
w ife w ill do w h a t husband says." T h is w as n o t a good th in g . I'm so rry
th a t it w asn 't th e reverse, w here th e good trip w as a t th e end. I th in k it
w o uld have been m ore in flu e n tia l.
as q u ite u n eve n tfu l, had u n p leasan t a fte r effects, w h ich she understood and
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R : [A fte r] I had ta k e n th e L S D , and re a lize d th a t it w a s n 't, you know ,
okay. A fte r I [cam e dow n] I could fu n ctio n , b u t I h ad h a d a re a lly bad
trip and I d id n 't w a n t to be stoned [any m o re]. T h a t w as th e one th a t
led to , "O kay, every tim e I h e a r a fire en gin e o r a s ire n , I know th a t
th ey're com ing to g e t m e." T h a t state o f m in d , o f m e ju s t h o ld in g it
to g eth er a t th e v e ry verg e o f th in k in g th a t I w as n u ts , [b u t] being able
to go th ro u g h school an d h ave jobs. Th e fir s t jo b I got a fte r I grad uated
from school w as a t [an o rg a n iza tio n stu d yin g m e n ta l illn e s s ] . . . .1 have
ta ken a lo t o f courses ab o u t schizo phren ia an d ab n o rm al psychology,
and s tu ff lik e th a t. So, I w as p re tty m uch aw a re o f th e , yo u know , th e
ed ucatio nal descriptions o f it . A nd I could ju s t p u t m y s e lf rig h t in th a t
state. "O kay, s p lit p e rs o n a lity , you th in k yo u 're n u ts." Y o u know? . . .
I: H ow lo n g did th a t go on for?
R : I t seem ed lik e years! I t re a lly did . [em p hatic] . . . so i t could have
been lik e th re e o r fo u r years th a t I was fe e lin g lik e th is . A n d it w ould
go up and dow n, an d I w o u ld g e t flashbacks fro m it . Y o u kn ow , "O h, m y
God! I t s ta rte d a ll over a g a in . H ere's day one." A nd th e n o th e r tim es it
w ould seem to go aw ay. I ta lk about it now and I la u g h b u t it w asn't
fu nny th e n . I t w as v e ry scary. W h eth er i t w as re a l o r n o t, it w as re a l
in m y b ra in . In m y m in d i t w as p re tty re a l to m e, b u t I w as so scared
th a t it w as a secret. L ik e I , you know , I w o u ld have been te rrifie d to
ta lk to anybody, o r g et counseling or a n y th in g about it , because I fe lt
lik e m y ra tio n a le of, "O h, th e y 're com ing to g e t me" w as so nuts th a t I
was a fra id to te ll anybody how n u ts I th o u g h t I w as. [em p hatic] A nd I
said, "Boy, i f I can ju s t keep th is a secret." [laughs] A n d m y w ay o f
coping w ith i t w as to a c t v e ry n o rm al. . .
a fte r these th re e experiences. She has had som e po sitive an d p leasu rab le
Q uaaludes an d opium .
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th a n being dependent p h ysically. E ven though th a t's a te rrib le fe a r.
So, I th in k th is is , I th in k th a t I have a re a l control problem w here I
re a lly don't w a n t to be stoned. E xcept on som ething lik e a Q u aalu de
w here w h ile you're p re tty stoned, i t n ever w as a bad trip . I n ever fe lt, I
m ean i t w as so m uch fu n th a t I never fe lt o u t o f co ntrol. W hereas, L S D
is m aybe m ore serious o r som ething. O r it affects d iffe re n t p arts o f
yo u r b ra in so th a t som ething else is happening. W hereas Q uaaludes
are supposed to p u t you to sleep o r som ething. It's d e fin ite ly a d iffe re n t
experience.
I: B u t you lik e Q uaaludes?
R : Q uaaludes and opium . I h ad a lo t o f opium w hen w e liv e d in
A m sterdam . A nd I had some w o n d erfu l revelatio n s on Q uaaludes. . .
I: A nd, um , has th is h u rt you in an y w ay th a t you can discern?
R : [heavy sigh] [repeats question so ftly] H as it h u rt me? U m , I th in k
th ere's a p a rt o f m e th a t n ever cam e back from th e bad acid trip s . A n d
I, I reg re t th a t I , I, I k in d o f g e t th e fe e lin g o f w hy th a t happened w as
because somebody w as pu sh ing too h a rd fo r m e to do i t a t th a t specific
tim e . A nd I w asn 't re a lly re a d y .. . .an d now , you know , it's a fe a rfu l
th in g . I'm a fra id , you know . A t a b ig p a rty o r som ething I w o n 't d rin k
som ething from an open co n tain er [fo r fe a r o f being "dosed" w ith L S D ].
I th in k th a t's a reasonable fe a r these days. I th in k th a t some o f m y
experiences w ith M D M A w ere p re tty good ones. Though th e y w e re n 't,
um , psychologically enhancing o r an yth in g . They w ere v e ry q u ie t.
Th ey w ere a c tu a lly v e ry "s till" events, o r trip s w here n o th in g
happened. T h is w as k in d o f n ice. N o th in g w as happening. I th in k it
added, probably enhanced m y life to know th a t th ere's a c tu a lly a place
th a t yo u r m ind could go and be re a lly q u ie t. . . I t used to be th a t I
w ould have a boyfriend fo r a little w h ile and he'd say, "Come on, le t's
ta k e some acid." A nd I th in k I probably d id te ll th em and say "This is
w h y I'm not going to do th is w ith you." A nd it w as an em barrassm ent
fo r m e fo r a w h ile . A nd th e n I re a lize d , "W a it a m in u te! T h is is m y life !
I'm no t going to do th is ag ain to m yself. T h is person is going to [try to]
convince m e. O kay, I 'l l le t h im try ." A nd a t th e la s t m in u te I w ould say
no. . . So, um , I'm n o t em barrassed about it any m ore. . . I d o n 't know
exactly w hy I never enjoyed th a t fe e lin g . O r, it w as n 't v e ry
com fortable. B u t, I im agine i t w as lik e losing control, and being fe a rfu l
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o f n o t h avin g m y m in d .. . . [laughs] W e ll, [pauses] [m y cu rren t
husband] said "Y ou're ju s t w o rried th a t you're going to lose your
id e n tity ." W hich is w h a t happened to m e th en . You know? A nd I re a lly
w as w o rried . I w as w o rried th a t I w as re a lly going to . T h a t somebody
w ould fin d ou t, fo r s ta rte rs , because I w as supposed to be a grad u ate
stu d en t. T h ey d id n 't! I d o n 't th in k anybody ever d id , o r i f th ey did th ey
c e rta in ly d id n 't say a n y th in g . A nd so, th e n I w ent on w ith th e re s t o f
m y life .
L S D , w hich "underm ines one's m en tal defenses and asks one to re-evalu ate
had p leasan t experiences, has also been described as q u ite d iffe re n t in its
experience, one in w h ich "n oth ing happens' and th ere is no loss o f control.
L S D as h a v in g in flu en ced its course in some pragm atic w ays. She dropped
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experiences and in sig h ts, as d is tin c t fro m h e r own. T h is choice foreclosed
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he has gone back to la w school and become a la w y e r. I re a lly th in k I
m ig h t have liv e d a m uch s tra ig h te r life i f it h a d n 't been fo r th a t.
I: W ould you have b een h a p p ie r i f you had liv e d a s tra ig h t life ?
R : [answ ers q u ickly] N o . I a c tu a lly w e n t back and trie d it , an d m aybe
you can 't ever go b ack. B u t I a c tu a lly w e n t back and trie d to liv e in th e
suburbs. A nd I h a te d it ! I th o u g h t i t w as re a lly d u ll. So, u m , I'm glad.
Y eah . I th in k yo u r ow n life should a t le a s t be in te re s tin g .
I: U m , are yo u r m a te ria l circum stances changed because o f th at?
R : [pauses] O h, su re. Y e a h . I th in k th a t people w ho re a lly created th e ir
fu tu re out o f th e ir psychedelic experiences, w hich I th in k a lo t o f us d id ,
um , re a lly w ere liv in g fo r th e m om ent. A nd fo r m any years, you know ,
th a t was it. . . The re s u lt o f it is th a t I liv e p re tty m uch paycheck to
paycheck rig h t now . I f I h ad gone th ro u g h academ ia an d g o tten a
M asters o r w h a te v e r, an d been a college professor, le t's say, I w ould
have been m akin g a lo t m ore m oney. . . T h ere w asn 't m uch th o u g h t o f
fu tu re , saving fo r th e fu tu re th e w ay o u r paren ts trie d to do. . .
g ro w th .
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in m y life , even though I do n't have th e outw ard m an ifestatio n s.
T h ere's alw ays th e in w a rd y e a rn in g to change m y consciousness. I
th in k th a t probably m ost everybody has th a t, w h eth er th e y do it w ith
alcohol o r drugs o r an yth in g . So, it's re a lly im p o rta n t to m e. N o t th a t I
m e d ita te everyday, or do a n y th in g every day. B u t, it's , you know ,
d e fin ite ly a pushing force in m y life . I guess i f I had m ore choices, o r I
th o u g h t I had m ore choices th a n m aybe I do, I'd be doing m ore o f th a t.
A nd I th in k th e L S D experience show ing th a t you can be th e re , in th a t
space, is a sig n ifican t force in m y life . In know ing th a t I can g et th e re .
O r know ing th a t th ere's a p o ssib ility. A nd th a t it's a place o f p u re jo y
an d pu re oneness. A nd th a t sounds re a lly corny b u t th a t's re a lly w h a t
it is.
M S 's n a rra tiv e covers several them es and stories. She claim s
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protective relatio n sh ip w ith a p a rtn e r who acted as h e r guide fo r positive
She relates th a t "p a rt o f h er has alw ays been in a foggy state" and
th a t she w as "som ewhere else w hen life w as h app enin g to h er." A lthough
she does not c u rre n tly d rin k alcohol or use an y k in d o f drugs, she describes
h er drugs o f choice, both u n ava ilab le to h e r, as "Q uaaludes and opium ."
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frig h te n in g an d u n p re d ic ta b le aspects. A t age 61 , she has no p lans to ta k e
psychedelics in th e fu tu re .
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th e b a rrie rs betw een m e and th e m o u n tain , th e b a rrie rs betw een m e
and th e sky, th e b a rrie rs betw een m e and th e sun, w h ich e v e n tu a lly
set, w ere gone! A nd th a t w h a t w as le ft was an es sen tia l so rt o f
connection betw een m e and th e essence o f those th in g s. A t a c e rta in
p o in t a ll those th in g s w en t aw ay too! I w as ju s t so rt o f an essen tial
being, um , a t th e cen ter o f it . . . I re a lly th in k th a t th a t is th e k e rn e l o f
w h a t th e psychedelic experience has m ean t to m e. [em p h atic] Because I
believed it and b elieve i t s till th a t th e re is an essence, an d th a t th e re is
an essen tial connection betw een m e an d a ll th e o th e r th in g s in th e
w o rld . T h a t w e a c tu a lly a re O ne. U m , th a t’s so rt o f w h a t has rem ain ed
w ith m e. I do n 't c a ll upon i t a lo t. I lik e n it a b it to th e experience w hen
I w as to ld th a t I had [a serious blood a ilm e n t]. A nd I m ig h t o n ly have a
c e rta in am ount o f tim e to liv e . . . So w hen th a t happened i t w as a ve ry
strong em otion al circum stance th a t ag ain m ade m e s o rt o f s it b ack and
re a lize th a t th e re w ere re a lly o n ly v e ry few th in g s th a t w ere im p o rta n t
and essen tial, [em phatic] T h a t’s th e closest a n y th in g has come to th e
psychedelic experience, in term s o f how it liv es. A n d b o th those th in g s,
altho ugh it ’s been q u ite a few years since I took L S D , an d th e
experience w ith m y m edical condition occurred in 1980, b u t b o th o f
those th ing s w ax and w ane. In term s o f how close I am to th em . W hen
I ’m m ore spaced out and'S tressed I don’t th in k about th a t a t a ll. I
m ean, it ’s th e fu rth e s t th in g from m y being. B u t th e n th e re a re tim es
w hen I can th in k o f it q u ite easily.
I: Does it have an im p act on w h a t you do in yo u r life?
R : [answ ers qu ickly] A bsolutely! . . . In th e good tim es i t in fo rm s a ll o f
m y thoughts. . . I t gives, it ’s som ething th a t is lik e a h e a rt b e a t and
w hen som ething ou t th e re rem inds m e o f it, it ’s lik e th e “A h , h a !”
experience — th e rem in d e r o f th a t essence. T h a t’s how coincidence feels
som etim es to m e. T h a t’s how m agic occurs, I th in k , alth o u g h I don’t feel
lik e I liv e a p a rtic u la rly , u m , m agic life . B u t th e re a re tim es w h en , I
th in k it happens. I don’t th in k I m ake i t happen. I th in k i t occurs and
I ’m able to perceive it w hen I ’m p a rtic u la rly c le a r, an d n o t fussy in sid e
m y b ra in . . . I th in k th a t, I , I b elieve th a t psychedelics h ave allo w ed m e
to th in k in a d iffe re n t w ay. . . I t ’s as though th e re ’s a "diam ond lan e",
as though th e re ’s a qu ick tra c k to some kin ds o f know ledge o r
com m unication, and it ’s m uch m ore in com m unication issues th a n
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o th ers. I fe e l lik e I can g et to th e essence o f th e m a tte r q u ick ly because
o f going th ro ugh th a t experience w here a ll th e w alls fa ll a p a rt! . . . B u t
I do th in k th a t th e re could be a sense, fo r some people, o f n o t being in
th e w o rld and being te rrifie d ! . . . I th in k i t comes from people w ho have
a basic need to have th e w o rld be w h a t th e y th in k it is. Because th e re ’s
" If not th a t, th e n w h a t M am a?" I f th e w o rld isn ’t w h a t it seem s, th en
m aybe th ey h ave n o th in g upon w hich to be grounded. . . B u t I fe e l as
though m ost o f us, a t a fa irly young age, have e ith e r a need fo r th ing s
to be as th e y a re , w ith no secrets and no surprises, or enough
groundedness to be able to h an d le a t an e a rly age o r even a t an older
age, be able to h an d le: “O h, so th ere’s a se cret in sid e th a t box!” “O h , so
th ere is m ore and m ore to le a rn .” I ju s t th in k th a t, fo r some people—
and I th in k it ’s som ething th a t you le a rn fro m yo u r fa m ily — th a t th ere
are e ith e r frig h te n in g th ing s i f th e w o rld doesn’t stay th e sam e, or
th e re are n o t. [em phatic]
social circle.
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I: Does psychedelic d ru g use come up in conversations fo r you ever?
R : O h, it n ever does, i f I ju s t lis te n to th e w o rld . Because no one ever
ta lk s about it! [em phatic] B u t every once in a w h ile I w ill m ention it .
A nd I fin d th a t I m ention i t m ore o ften la te ly because I ’m less fe a rfu l.
Fm m ore secure in who I am and in m y bona fid es now th a n I w as
before! A nd I have less a sense th a t i t ’s a problem . T h ere’s a k in d o f a,
“A ren ’t you a q u a in t old thing?” about being a ‘60’s h ip p ie now . So I
b rin g it up as m uch fo r th e shock va lu e as a n y th in g else! I m ean, w hy
not! I t ’s a good story!
I: A nd, um , given th a t th ere are prob ab ly several m illio n people o f our
age w a lk in g around w ho have trie d psychedelics, w h y do you th in k it
doesn’t come up in conversation m ore often?
R : I don’t know ! T h e, um , every tim e th a t I ta lk to someone w ho is m y
age and could have had experiences w ith L S D , I fe e l lik e th e [ones] th a t
have u s u ally te ll m e. B u t I also w o rk [in a s e ttin g w here] everyone has
to go th ro ugh a backgrounds check. . . .T h en th e re ’s a w hole o th er
group, [m y husband] 's ftie n d s and th e people th a t I know who a re m y
best frien d s. . . W e ta lk about LS D a lo t. N o t a lo t b u t w henever it
seems a p p ro p ria te .
I: So lik e aside from th e quaintness o f being an old h ip p ie , and th e
w orries o f people who m ig h t lose th e ir jo b i f th ey w ere “outed” fo r th a t
[h isto ry], um , it ’s ju s t so rt o f slipped people’s m inds? Is th a t it?
R : You know , I th in k th a t th ere are an a w fu l lo t o f people who d id do
psychedelics, fo r whom i t didn’t m ean a w hole lo t. W ho took
psychedelics m aybe a little la te r on w hen i t w as m uch m ore a th r ill or
a p a rty gam e th a n it w as a s p iritu a l experience! A nd fo r those people I
th in k it was a b it lik e , um , you know , th e firs t few tim es th ey got d ru n k
or som ething. I m ean, I th in k th a t m aybe i t d id n ’t assum e such
proportions, such a sense o f im portance. . .
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W hen asked to give a g lo b al descrip tio n o f h e r p resent life she says
th e w o rld . A t age 55, N M is happ y w ith w h a t she has accom plished in life .
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"A re a l capacity to love."
c a rin g , s e x u a lity , th e affectio n betw een frie n d s , and com m unity service.
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w o rkin g on. I t has come up in m y life since th en . So, ju s t seemed to m e
th a t th a t w as k in d o f th e , th e experience th a t k in d o f got m e started .
O r opened m e up in th a t p a rtic u la r a re a .
I : A nd how does th a t show up in yo u r life?
R : [pauses] T h a t’s a good question. U m , [pauses] I love m yself. I l l s ta rt
o u t w ith th a t. A n d , um , I ju s t th in k I have a re a l capacity to love. A nd
i t ju s t shows up in term s o f m y jo b . I love m y w ork! I m ean, it shows up
in th a t area . I love th e people th a t Fm around, m y daug hter, um , so I
th in k it ju s t k in d o f perm eates m y life , in a sense.
I : Fd lik e to ask you i f you have a p a rtic u la r are a th a t you feel th a t
psychedelics h ad a n effect in?
R : U m , [pauses] w e ll, I th in k , in term s o f experiencing jo y [although]
Fve h ad o th er experiences. Som etim es w h a t w as k in d o f h a rd fo r m e
w as g e ttin g p re tty h ig h and no t b ein g a t hom e, o r not being in a
fa m ilia r place. K in d of, so rt o f s lip p in g in and o u t o f re a lity . B eing w ith
lots o f people, m an y o r m ost o f w hom w ere to ta l strangers. A nd sort o f
fe e lin g lik e I w as re a lly o u t th e re . . . [B u t] I ju s t have had so m any
p o sitive, jo y fu l, h app y, lau g h in g kin d s o f experiences. T h is is th e
g en eral experience th a t I had w ith [psychedelic] drugs. U m , so I th in k
it k in d of, m aybe opened m e up to experiencin g m ore jo y in m y life , and
la u g h te r and those sorts o f th in g s. I f I can ju s t te ll a little story?
Is Y eah!
R : U m , I cam e o u t h ere to go to school. I had flu n ked out o f graduate
school a t th e U n iv e rs ity [in th e M id w est] in an M B A program . U m , it
w as alw ays k in d o f hang ing over m y head th is sense th a t I had fa ile d ..
. So, I b a sic ally cam e o u t to S an Francisco to fin is h school, to get m y
M asters degree, so I ap plied to [a lo cal college], I had an a u n t th a t
liv e d o u t h ere. I re a lly didn’t know w h a t I w an ted to do, b u t som ething
in sid e m e said to come to C a lifo rn ia , th a t’s re a lly w here I should be. So,
I d id th a t. A nd one o f th e th ing s I re a lly w an ted to do w hen I got out
here w as sm oke m a riju a n a . T h a t w as a focus fo r m e, as w e ll as going
to school. So, I cam e o u t h ere, m oved in w ith a couple o f guys in th e
F illm o re [a B lack neighborhood in S an Francisco], not know ing w h at
th e F illm o re w as. A nd th ey w ere bo th sm okers. So, every evening
th e re w ould be several people over and w e’d be sm oking m ariju a n a. I
sm oked i t fo r prob ab ly a w eek and n o th in g happened to m e. A nd I
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w ould see these people s ittin g around sm oking, and a ll o f a sudden
th ey’d be o ff in a corner suddenly going s ile n t, lis te n in g to m usic. A nd
I ’m s ittin g in th e m idd le o f th e room saying w h a t’s going on here?
N o th in g is happening to m e! A re th ey fa k in g it? Is th is a re a l
experience? A nd I ended up h a vin g to le a rn how to ro ll m y ow n jo in ts ,
and i t took m e a w eek. A n d I th in k p a rt o f i t I a ttrib u te d to th e fa c t
th a t I d id n ’t sm oke cig arettes. So, I re a lly d id n ’t know how to sm oke.
A n d , um , th en th e re w as th is m em orable experience probably a w eek,
a w eek and a h a lf la te r. U m , w h ere suddenly I w as stoned! A nd I ju s t
re a lize d i t as I w as ta lk in g to th is person and I w asn’t h e a rin g th e
w ords th e y w ere saying. T h a t I ju s t fe lt lik e , i t ju s t a ll o f a sudden it
d id n ’t come on slow ly. I t w as lik e ru n n in g in to a b ric k w a ll. T h en a ll o f
a sudden I w as ju s t to ta lly gone, [pauses] So I can rem em ber th e firs t
tim e I got h ig h fro m m a riju a n a [pauses] and I can rem em ber occasions
w hen I took psychedelic drugs th a t w ould be w ith in th is period o f tim e
also, fo r m e. A n y w ay I h ad s ta rte d going to [business] school an d I
ju s t re a lize d th a t you know , "This is not w h a t I w a n t to be doing." and
T m n o t a business typ e person and th is is n o t th e en viro n m en t fo r m e."
A n d I re a lly c re d it m y d ru g experiences fo r h e lp in g m e m ake th is
decision. I also [id e n tify ] th is decision as th e firs t re a l decision th a t I
m ade in m y life as a n a d u lt, [em phatic] P rio r to th a t I had alw ays
m ade decisions based on w h a t I thought m y p aren ts w an ted m e to do,
o r teachers and o th er a u th o ritie s in m y life w an ted m e to do. A n d th is
w as th e firs t, lik e I said , th is w as th e firs t tim e I fe lt lik e th a t I h ad
m ade an im p o rta n t in d ep en d en t decision fo r m yself. A nd I rem em ber
w hen I q u it [business school], I fe lt to ta lly elated ! I m ean, I w as ju s t
fly in g h ig h e r th a n a k ite . I w en t to a pay phone on cam pus, and called
m y m o th er to te ll h e r I had q u it school. H e r firs t com m ent w as, “A re
you on drugs?” W hich w as an in te re s tin g com m ent! . . . I ’m n o t q u ite
sure w h a t I to ld h e r a t th e tim e , b u t she’s a psychologist and i t w as an
in te re s tin g com m ent fo r h e r to m ake to m e.
I : T h is w as in n in eteen sixty-eig h t?
R : T h is w as in th e sum m er of, w e ll, th e sp rin g o f n in eteen s ix ty -e ig h t.
E a rly sp rin g . So, I re a lly , you know , in term s o f g e ttin g back to h a v in g
k in d o f a p o sitive experience, I m ean, th is w as one o f th e v e ry e a rly ,
v e ry po sitive experiences th a t I can re a lly lo o k to w ard . U m , an d m y
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w hole life changed as a re s u lt o f th a t experience, [em phatic] T h a t I
ended up g e ttin g in to m ore social change kin ds o f a c tiv itie s . A nd m y
w hole c a re e r since th en , th e la s t th irty -o n e years has evolved aro u n d
th e n o n -p ro fit w o rld and h e lp in g people and doing th in g s along those
lin e s . So, I th in k , had I n o t come o u t h e re , had I n o t experienced
psychedelic drugs and th e people th a t w ere h e re , th is m ay n ever h a ve
happened to m e. So I look upon th is as a v e ry p o sitive k in d o f
experience. . .
R : O ne o f th e in te re s tin g th in g s fo r m e w as th a t w h en I d id come o u t
h ere, u m , one o f m y room m ates w as B lac k. A nd I h ad n o t re a lly
experienced B lac k people. I grew up b a s ic a lly in th e S outh, in V irg in ia
going to segregated schools fo r th e m ost p a rt. I w e n t to a little lib e ra l
a rts college in O hio th a t w as k in d o f econom ically segregated, so th e re
w e re n 't m an y m in o rity people th e re . T h e n I cam e o u t h ere and ended
up h a v in g a B lac k person [K .] as a room m ate. A n d a fte r I q u it school. .
. I h ad a v e ry d iffic u lt tim e . M y w hole life had been in volved e ith e r w ith
school o r w o rk , o r some so rt o f a focus. S om ething to do. A fte r I q u it
school I re a lly had n o th in g to do. A n d I w e n t th ro u g h some depression.
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N o t th e re a l b lastin g , you know , o r fo r any long periods o f tim e b u t
k in d o f going through these periods o f th in k in g, "Am I crazy? Is th ere
som ething re a lly w rong w ith me?” A nd th is was p a rt of, I th in k , th e
d ru g experience, too. T h a t I re a lly didn’t know w here I belonged. I
d id n ’t know w h a t to do. Looking back a t it, it w as a ve ry im p o rta n t
p erio d o f tim e fo r m e to be in th a t place. . . And so, K . and I ended up
h a n g in g o u t to gether as tw o people. A nd re a lly got to know each o th er
v e ry , v e ry w e ll. W e’d ju s t g et up in th e m orning, w a lk around th e C ity
a ll day long and k in d o f ta lk to each o th er. U m , and we re a lly fe ll in
love w ith each o ther, and fe lt re a lly connected. A nd p a rt o f ou r
experience as a re s u lt o f th a t w as th a t w e, and w e fe lt lik e w e could do
som ething, th a t w e re a lly h ad som ething going on betw een us th a t w as
re a lly good. . . B u t, I fe lt lik e I re a lly didn’t have a re a l focus in m y life .
I ju s t w asn’t used to b ein g in th is so rt o f lim bo a re a . A nd it took a
p erio d o f tim e . I ’m a c tu a lly fe e lin g a little high ju s t ta lk in g . Fm so rt o f
g e ttin g back to being in th a t p a rtic u la r space. So I th in k it w as k in d o f
a stru g g le fo r m e. T h a t I got tu rn e d on, I realized w h a t I w as doing
w as n o t ap p ro p riate, you kn o w , was n o t w h at I should be doing. B u t I
h ad no id ea w h at I should be doing, and it was k in d o f a period o f
try in g to fin d th a t. A t a tim e th e re w as a w hole B lac k s e p a ra tis t
m ovem ent going on w ith th e B lack P anthers. So th a t w h at [K an d I]
w ere doing w as a little b it d iffe re n t th a n w h at w as a c tu a lly going on in
S an Francisco. A nd p a rt o f w h a t happened to us w as th a t w e decided
th a t w e had a special connection betw een the tw o o f us, and th a t w e
re a lly w an ted to w ork to g eth er. So, w e started looking fo r a jo b , w e
s ta rte d lo okin g fo r w o rk th a t w ould h ire us to gether as a team . A nd
th a t m ade it very d iffic u lt. K . ju s t had a high school education, I had a
college education. W ho’s going to h ire [th a t team ]? A nyw ay, th e only
re a l jo b p o ssib ility we had w as w o rkin g a t some so rt o f a day cam p out
on B rotherhood W ay th a t w as in terested in h irin g th e tw o o f us. W e ll,
th e re w as a program being developed called th e In vo lvem en t C orps.
T h a t w as s ta rte d out G lid e C hu rch, and a group o f people dow n on th e
P en in su la. So, K . and I w ere v e ry m uch involved w ith G lid e C hu rch.
A n d K . and I decided th is looked lik e a good op p o rtu n ity fo r us. A nd
th e In vo lvem en t Corps w as so rt o f lik e a n o n -p ro fit V is ta program . The
id e a w as th a t th ey w ere going to h ire com m unity people fo r w h a t th ey
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called th e “core program ,” and w e w ould stay in th e com m unity, or fin d
a com m unity to w o rk in and do projects. A nd th en su p p o rtin g us w ould
be a group o f b asically m idd le class people, who w ould be w h a t th ey
called our "task force." Each one o f us w ould have a ta s k force and w e
w ere to try and involve th a t ta s k force in th e w o rk th a t w e w ere doing.
A t the sam e tim e th e ta sk force people w ould m ake a te n o r fifte e n
d o lla r a m onth co ntrib utio n, an d w e w ould get a stipend ou t o f th a t. . .
.W e ll, K . and I became th e tw o fir s t Corps people th a t w ere h ire d . W e
w ere ready to go. W e w ere ju s t s ta rtin g ou t. W e w ere in th e F illm o re ,
w e w ere going to do some projects in th e F illm o re . W e w ere w o rkin g on
a little tu to ria l program on M . S tre e t, tu to rin g kid s in th e F illm o re . A
group o f us got together and decided w e w ould try and b u ild a little
tu to ria l center fo r th e kids fo r th e sum m er. W e got a free basem ent to
w o rk out o f on M . S treet, So th a t w as re a lly th e on ly project w e had
going. Through th e In vo lvem en t Corps w e w ere e v e n tu a lly introduced
to someone a t [a local rad io s ta tio n ]. A nd it w as suggested th a t we go
downtown and ta lk to th is guy ab ou t w h a t w e w an ted to do. H e took a
lik in g to th e tw o o f us, so w e ended up on his show everyday, and he
w ould ta lk about us. 'W h a t’s h ap p en in g w ith O . and K.?" W e w ould c a ll
in each day and k in d o f ta lk ab ou t w h a t we w ere doing. W here w e w ere
a t. A little b it about w h at w e w an ted to do. N o t re a lly kn ow in g th e
valu e o f w h a t th e radio could do fo r us. W h a t ended up happ enin g was
th a t we re a lly w ere able to g et a n y th in g we w an ted over th e a ir!
[em phatic] So, i f we w ere hooked up w ith a project and w e needed
som ething physical, we’d c a ll in an d [th is D J] w ould say, “T h e y need
equipm ent fo r [this project o r th a t pro ject]” A nd w e’d p u t o u r num ber
on th e a ir and someone w ould c a ll us w ith th e equipm ent. A nd w e’d
fig u re o u t how to get it from M a rin C ounty over to th e F ree C lin ic , or
th a t kin d o f th in g . W e did th is fo r about a year and a h a lf o r so. W e
w ere able to support a num ber o f projects th a t w e w ere both involved
in . A nd a t th e same tim e, people s ta rte d askin g us to come to th e
R o tary C lub , and so on, w h ich w as ve ry strange. S ta rte d to ask us to
come to th e ir luncheons. K . w as a fa irly m ilita n t B lac k person and
u su ally these K iw an is C lubs an d R o ta ry C lubs w ould s ta rt o u t w ith a
pledge o f allegiance or som ething lik e th a t. A nd K . w ould n o t ris e , so
w e both sat d u rin g th is cerem ony. A nd as a re s u lt, th e w hole m eetin g
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th e n focused on w h y d id n ’t these tw o guys stand up? W h a t a re you
doing? A nd a ll th is k in d o f stu ff. B u t, I guess p a rt o f m y p o in t w as,
going back a lit tle b it to th is ta s k force th a t w e h ad , w hich w as
b a sic ally W h ite , m id d le class people, g e n erally from th e suburbs. I had
a ta s k force in P alo A lto , I th in k . I don’t even rem em ber w h ere K .’s
ta s k force w as. S o rt o f th e w hole focus o f m y life , o r p a rt o f th e focus o f
m y life a t th a t p a rtic u la r tim e w as try in g to fig u re o u t how to tu rn
people on. To b a s ic a lly s ta rt s h iftin g in th e ir own liv e s , som ehow m ake
th e connections th a t I h ad m ade. U m , in term s o f e ith e r doing
som ething, you kn o w , b a sic ally doing som ething w here th e y w ere,
w ith in th e ir ow n corporations o r businesses th ey w orked in . O r, w ith
th e ir own fa m ilie s to so rt o f try to sen sitize them . Y ou know? H ow does
a person go th ro u g h th e experience th a t I w e n t th ro ugh [on
psychedelics]? A n d I th o u g h t, “B oy, i f I could fin d th e answ er to th is!
T h is w ould be a re a l accom plishm ent!” A nd I don’t th in k I ever xeally
d id fin d th e an sw er. B u t, I rem em ber w e struggled a t these ta s k force
m eetings, ju s t try in g to te ll people b a sically, you know , “You d o n 't need
to come in to th e F illm o re and w o rk w ith us on th is p roject. B u t, you
re a lly need to go b ack and connect w ith th e people w here you a re .” A nd
these w ere a lo t o f people involved in S ilico n V a lle y , back in th e la te
six tie s. So, it w as th a t k in d o f a th in g , and. . . m y d ru g experiences
w ere in volved in th a t. . . I rem em ber, you know , becom ing tu rn e d on as
a re s u lt o f th e people and th e d ru g experiences, and th en try in g to use
th a t w ith o th er people w ho w ere in a m uch d iffe re n t k in d o f s itu a tio n .
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w o rk and h is in te ra c tio n w ith a group o f p ro ject donors, w hom O M an d h is
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w a n tin g th a t versus bein g k in d o f closed o ff to th a t. A nd no t allo w in g
m yse lf to experience it .
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th e in flu en ce o f h is psychedelic experiences. H e ended h is fir s t m arria g e,
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b u t I th o u g h t th a t was th e proper th in g to do. A n d so I s ta rte d to do
th a t, b u t e v ery tim e I w ould have p erc ep tu al, u m , changes and
d isto rtio n s . A t firs t, w h a t people describe as u n d u la tin g and a ll o f th a t,
and colors, an d reveries, and so I w o uld be w ritin g a ll th is dow n. A nd
c a re fu lly . A n d as tim e w en t on th e notes go t less an d less and less. A nd
th en la te r, w h en I looked a t th e tim e w hen i t w as a t its h e ig h t, i t ju s t
says " B e a u tifu l.” O r som ething lik e th a t, [laug hs] "G lorious” O r
som ething, an d th a t’s it . [laughs] M y sc ien tific notes! F o r th a t
experience, [laug hs] So, um , I guess I ’m sayin g I d id n ’t re a lly hold on to
th e m ission, [laughs] So th e experience its e lf, u h , I saw in a paper,
[some] ta lk ab o u t peak experiences. I don’t th in k th a t describes it a t
a ll! [em p h atic] A nd la te r I read A ldous H u x le y ’s D oors o f P ercep tio n,
and, as w o n d e rfu l a w rite r as he is , th a t doesn’t describe i t a t a ll!
[em phatic] In fa c t, I don’t th in k I ’ve ever seen a n y th in g describe n e a rly
th e experience! U m , so, i t was h e lp fu l to have th is tre e , because th e
tre e becam e a k in d o f a focus. A m etap h o r fo r th e m ean in g o f th is . A nd
a t one p o in t, I am sure I knew th e m ean in g o f e v eryth in g ! [em phatic] I
m ean, i t w as w h a t th e y c a ll “W h ite L ig h t” experience. A nd th e n la te r,
try in g to d is till th a t dow n or to describe it , um , has been re a lly , I
m ean, im possible! H ow ever, to m e, it , u m , fo r one th in g I b elieved I
understood th e m eaning o f th e w ord love, w hich is used a lo t. . . I had
never h a d v e ry m uch experience w ith love before. T h a t’s w hy I th in k it
affected m y m a rria g e . Because w h a t I h ad th o u g h t w as love w as not
n e a rly , i t d id n ’t , uh , come up to th is . I t sim p ly w asn’t, um , th e rig h t
[laughs] f it , so to speak. So, it ’s re a lly h a rd to , I m ean , you know it ’s
q u ite im possible to describe th is . Y ou have to lo ok a t in d iv id u a l
contexts. W h ere did somebody come from ? A nd th e n w h a t, in term s o f
th a t, does th is m ean to him ? So, in m y experience, u h , Fd had some
p re tty severe m a te rn a l d e p riv a tio n . M y m o th er h a v in g been, w as
schizophrenic th ro u g h o u t m ost o f m y childhood. So, u h , and p re tty
m uch u n a v a ila b le to m e. H a llu c in a tin g and w ith d ra w n , an d q u ite
uncom m unicative. . . So, I didn’t know m uch ab ou t m a te rn a l lo ve
except fro m th e m ovies. I m ean, th e re w ere, o f course, m ovies about
fa m ilie s , [laughs] I k in d o f got th e id e a th a t ours w as n o t a ty p ic a l
fa m ily . W e w e n t th ro u g h th e econom ic depression, w h ich ju s t clobbered
w hole m asses o f fa m ilie s . . . A nd som ehow I fe e l lik e I su rvived by
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b eing k in d o f to ugh . To ug her. T h a t’s w h y I th in k I could leave [m y firs t
w ife ]. Once I h ad fig u re d o u t I h ad to do it , th a t th is w asn’t th e rig h t
d irectio n fo r m y life , I ju s t could do it . . . So w h a t did th e L S D do? I t
stopped m y w o rld ! [em p h atic] . . . A nd th a t, to m e, is c le a rly w h a t it
d id . So, I w as no lo n g er in th e ro u tin e m ode o f liv in g . I w as stan d in g
outside o f it . . . A n d in a w ay, I b elieve i t w as th e beginning o f w h a t you
m ig h t c a ll tra n s fo rm a tio n . So, how ever, a t th e tim e I d id n ’t know th a t.
A nd it took m any years fo r th a t process to , u h , to proceed. In o th e r
w ords, th e re a fte r I c e rta in ly w as seeing th in g s d iffe re n tly . I th in k it
also deepened m y s p iritu a l connection, in th e so rt o f God sense, to a
huge exten t. T h e fe e lin g o f connection w ith som ething else, g re a te r
th a n one’s self. T h e o rd er o f th e u n iverse. So, th e w hole process w as
s ta rted a t about th a t p o in t. B efore th a t I w as q u ite n aive. I w as q u ite ,
um , tro u b led , I th in k , in th e sense o f th in k in g th a t w o rkin g v e ry h a rd .
. . w as a ll I needed to do in life . I w as re a lly no t a proper husband o r a
fa th e r. O r ab le to do those th in g s. I had no good id ea o f a la rg e r, um ,
w o rld or un iverse o u t th e re . So, th a t a ll to o k place in [th e L S D trip ].
T h a t was th e beg in n in g . Since th a t tim e I th in k I ’ve been k in d o f
d igesting th e w hole th in g ! [em p hatic] T ry in g to m ake some k in d o f
sense o f it . A n d I fe e l I ’ve lea rn ed considerably. A lth o u g h , o f course, I
fe e l often I have o n ly scratched th e surface. A fte r I cam e back dow n, so
to speak, I rem em bered, b u t w h a t I had know n I no longer knew !
[laughs] I m ean, I could n o t stay th e re , except in some depth o f m yse lf
th e re w as some ho ld on som ething th a t h ad happened. . . So, th is w as a
re -b irth experience! [em p hatic] A n illu m in a tio n . N ow , Fm sure th e re
are people who becom e casualties o f th a t. I m ean, I see th em a ll th e
tim e in m y w o rk , w h ich is to say th e p sych iatric casualties o r p a tie n ts .
So, um , it ’s n o t fo r everybody. F m p re tty su re. . .
I : N ow d id you go back and have o th er L S D experiences a fte r th a t firs t
one?
R : Y eah , I had a chance to use it subsequently. A nd each tim e I w ould
le a rn som ething a little d iffe re n t. Fm try in g to rem em ber. Fve used it
perhaps th re e o r fo u r tim es . B u t, I don’t crave it. I m ean, I don’t look
fo r i t to do it. In fa c t, a t th is p o in t in m y life Fm very cautious ab o u t it.
Cause I, you kn ow , Fm n o t sure w h a t effect th a t w ould have exactly.
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m essage fro m th e s p irit, o r it ’s in te re s tin g to conceptualize w h a t th e
s p irit m ig h t be d ire c tin g h ere, b u t a prop er th in g fo r m e to do is to ask
you to elab o rate on th a t a little b it? In w ords, as m uch as you’re ab le,
so th a t i t appears as d a ta . As opposed to b e in g an u n d erstan d in g
betw een us?
R : O k a y . W e ll, it appears th a t, u h , th ere a re coincidences th a t occur,
th a t h ave pow er. I f you allo w them in , i f you open yo u rself up some
th in g s occur w hich ju s t c lic k and seem rig h t. A nd th en you say, “O h,
yeah .” L ik e th a t. . . . In fa c t, th a t was one o f th e th in g s th a t L S D d id
fo r m e! O ne o f th e th in g s it did fo r m e as a p s y c h ia tris t w as th is , th e re
are tim es w hen Fm "on," w hen I can ju s t be w ith somebody. N o t h e a r
ve ry m uch o f th e ir sto ry, b u t I w ill somehow know w here th ey cam e
fro m . W h a t I m ean is generations and generation s and generations
back I k in d o f know w h a t th e ir ancestors experienced. A nd w here
th ey’re fro m . Som etim es. As w e ll as ju s t th e in tu itiv e being w ith
som ebody. Y ou know? W h ich is an im p o rta n t p a rt o f th e p s y c h ia tris t’s
a rm a m e n ta riu m .
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w ere, Sandoz ju s t d id n ’t w a n t to be associated w ith it an y m ore.
Because i t w as so p o w erfu l an d co n tro versial, an d so fo rth .
I: W h at d id you th in k about th a t controversy w hen it cam e up?
R : U m , w e ll, I d id n ’t give it m uch th o u g h t. I m ean , I w as q u ite
surprised th a t th e people w ere n o t seeing i t as a to o l. T h a t fo r exam ple,
a p s y c h ia tris t ad m in istered it as p a rt o f th e psych oth erap y process. I t
can re a lly m ake some huge d ifferen ce, I th in k , a t c e rta in p o ints. W hen
used th a t w ay , c a re fu lly , I th o u g h t it w as a stupendous k in d o f
m a te ria l! [em p h atic] So I w as so rt o f su rp rised , an d , I co ntinue to feel
th a t w ay ab ou t it . Fm sad th a t it ’s banned e n tire ly th a t w ay. O n th e
other hand seeing fo u rteen , fifte e n , o r eig h teen y e a r old k id s who’ve
had tw o h u n d red trip s , you kn ow , th a t’s k in d o f rid ic u lo u s. A nd very
dangerous in m y m in d . So, Fm n o t in fa v o r o f everybody ta k in g LS D ,
eith er! [em phatic] [lau g h s]. I th in k th a t, used in a v e ry c a re fu l w ay it
was c e rta in ly in v a lu a b le and a v e ry fo rtu ito u s th in g . I th in k i t had a
m ajor im p act in m oving th e n in e te e n s ix ty e ra along. In th a t w hole
area, i f you ju s t lo o k a t th e a rt, fo r exam ple, th e so-called psychedelic
a rt and so fo rth , an d th e id eals, an d th e sense o f oneness th a t people
w ere ad vocating, an d I th in k th a t w hole m ovem ent w as based on th e
LS D experience. A n d w e’ll n ever be th e sam e fo r it , in s p ite o f the
attem pts to m ake i t ille g a l.
I: Do you en visio n th a t th e o p p o rtu n ity to use psychedelics
th e ra p e u tic a lly m ay re-em erge?
R : W e ll, [h eavy sig h , pauses] I have no id ea. I re a lly h ave no id ea
because it ’s so p o litic a l. I t has n o th in g to do w ith goodness, o r i f th is is
sc ie n tific a lly v a lid o r u sefu l m edically? I t has n o th in g to do w ith any o f
th a t! [em p h atic] O bviously, because c le a rly th ese voices have not been
heard, th e voices o f people. A n d in stead th e D E A an d th e p o litician s
po in t to T im o th y L e a ry as a kook. A nd even R am D ass has k in d o f
tu rn ed h is back on th a t, and so fo rth . Y ou know ? B u t, w ith o u t givin g
cred it, rig h t? I m ean , w hen you th in k how h e, he doesn’t d erid e it b u t
he ve ry c le a rly claim s h e’s go tten p a st it . B u t, I h e ard gossip or
rum ors th a t h e continues to in d u lg e p e rio d ic a lly . So, I don’t p u t m uch
credence in th a t. B u t, w hen h e, b u t he’s re a lly try in g to g ive th e
message o u t th a t, “O h , yes. T h e w ay to go is beyond th e drugs and in to
re lig io n .” Y ou know ? H e ’s in to a re lig io s ity . A nd I w o uld agree th a t
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th a t’s w o n d e rfu l, b u t I th in k th e re are ju s t points a t w hich you can
change e v e ry th in g . A nd th a t fin d in g those points and th en h avin g
someone guide you p ast th a t, o r th ro ugh th a t, w h eth er it ’s a
p s y c h ia tris t o r anybody w ho’s m atu re enough to do th a t, o r who th e
s p irit sends, I don’t know , [laughs] I t is a g rea t blessing and a m ira c le .
I: G iven th a t th a t is tru e w h y a re those voices not being h eard now?
R : W e ll, it ’s a ll p o litic a l. I don’t know . A frie n d asked m e do I th in k
th ere’s a d e v il o u t there? A nd e v il in a form o f an e x te rn a l force? H e
asked m e an d a t firs t I said, “O h, no. N o. I t ’s a ll w ith in people.” A nd
th en I w o u ld th in k about it and Fd say, “Y ou know I th in k he’s rig h t. I
th in k th e re ’s a c tu a lly e v il o u t th e re .” [laughs] A nd th en o th er tim es I
th in k it , and o th e r tim es I don’t th in k it. B u t th e point is , I guess,
m aybe th e re is an e v il force ou t th e re th a t doesn’t w a n t th is to happen.
In th e sense of, i f you’re going to look a t it as a Ju ng ian, th e D a rk S ide,
th a t doesn’t w a n t th is en lig h ten m en t, th is tran sfo rm atio n to be so
w id ely a v a ila b le . I don’t know . I m ean, th a t’s th e tro u b le w ith ta lk in g
to Ju n g ian people th a t you get these ve ry m ystical ideas. B u t, i t feels
rig h t to m e! [laughs]
I: S hould w e be doing som ething?
R : S hould w e be doing som ething? I don’t know . I m ean, th e th in g is in
its e lf so m iracu lo u s and w ondrous, and in some ways a v a ila b le , th a t I
don’t th in k it ’s going to exactly stop. I th in k it w ill go underground and
th en be a v a ila b le to a c e rta in num ber o f people fo r an a w fu l long tim e .
oneself w ith frie n d s , toys and p leas an t sensations, th e u n p red ictab le a b ility
m inim ized .
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M uch less an ite m o f common know ledge is th e existence o f an
hand th e contem porary use o f psychedelics fo r th erap y and tran sfo rm atio n
has been m ade in th is study. The la s t n a rra tiv e presented h ere, how ever,
in s ig h t and tran sfo rm atio n th ro ugh th e th o u g h tfu l and stru ctu red use o f
M A 's n a rra tiv e begins w ith a b io g rap h ical sto ry about childhood, and
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R : I grew up in k in d o f a m ixed fa m ily . . . A nd, um , th e s p iritu a l p a rt o f
th a t, [pauses] is a deep re lig io u s , deep s p iritu a l connection, b u t n o t a
relig io u s connection. M u ch m ore in to s p irits th a n in to church, k in d o f
th in g . . . So I h ad th a t s p iritu a l background. M y m other w as v e ry
m uch in to p la n ts and th e e a rth , and s p irits . P la n t s p irits an d so fo rth ,
an d so on. I h ad th a t k in d o f u p b rin g in g . . . M y uncle owned a
m o rtu a ry , and a fte r school Fd go p la y hide-and-go-seek a t th e
m o rtu a ry b eh in d th e caskets w ith m y little cousins, and so fo rth and so
on. So s p irits an d d e ath an d a ll o f th a t has alw ays been aro u n d m e.
A n d so psychedelics m ade i t ju s t, th a t firs t trip w as lik e , "Y eah! T h is
a ll comes to g eth er!” . . . A n d th e n I d id n ’t m ention th a t th e w h ole tim e
[th a t I w as stu d yin g psychology] Fd been p a rt o f [a s p iritu a l school.]
I: D o you lik e th a t te rm , th e w o rd psychedelic?
Bs Yes.
I: So w h a t w ould be yo u r fir s t choice as to w h at to c a ll them ?
R : S acram en ts o r psychedelics.
I: A nd w h a t m o tiv ate d you w h en you firs t started to use them ?
R : [A t th a t tim e ] I w as p a rt o f a n in -service tr a in in g group fo r C ounty
S ocial S ervices. A nd i t w as th e tim e w hen [encounter groups w ere
p o p u la r], an d I contacted E s a le n a t th a t tim e to ask them to come and
w o rk w ith m y s ta ff. A n d th e person th ey sent w as [a w ell-kn o w n
psychedelic research er] [laughs]
I: [laughs]
R : A n d h is c o -fa c ilita to r got sic k th a t day. And w e m et fo r lu n ch and he
s a id , "O kay, it ’s th e tw o o f us.” I t w as tim e fo r th e encounter w eekend,
on a F rid a y n ig h t. A n d I got to ta lly tu rn ed on to G e s ta lt d u rin g th a t
w eekend b eing h is c o -fa c ilita to r. A nd by th e end o f th e w eekend I was
ta lk in g to h im about e n te rin g th e G e s ta lt tra in in g program . W h ich I
d id . A nd tra in e d w ith [th e o rig in a to rs o f G e s ta lt th e ra p y ]. A t th e end o f
th e firs t y e a r it w as tim e fo r m e to s ta rt to take on clien ts. A n d th ey
re fe rre d m e to a g en tlem an in B e rk e le y who had office space. A n d w hen
I m e t th a t guy I kn ew th e re w as som ething else going on besides office
space! Because I w as re fe rre d fro m [a frie n d ], he thought th a t I knew
w h a t w as going on! A n d in v ite d m e to spend th e w eekend w ith h im a t
[h is re tre a t ce n te r]. So th a t w as m y firs t in tro d u ctio n to psychedelics.
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I : So you w en t to one o f these group w eekends w ith o u t a n y p rio r
experience o f an y o f th is?
R : Yes. The only one th a t an y one knows of! [laughs]
I : H ow w as th at?
R : I t was w onderful! I fe lt th a t I had a rriv e d hom e. M y fir s t experience
w as w ith yage, acid an d m ushroom s. A co cktail. A nd it fe lt so "a t
hom e" to m e! [em phatic] I t ’s lik e I found m y s e lf a ve ry , v e ry a lte re d
s tate fo r sure, b u t i t fe lt v e ry deep in sid e o f m e. [em p hatic] T h a t w as
m y firs t contact w ith psychedelics.
I : D id you have an y expectations?
R : I had, w e ll, th e w h o le, th e tu rn -o n from G e s ta lt tra in in g b u t I h a d n 't
gotten in th e groove. I h ad done [o th er professional] w o rk, I h ad gone to
college, yeah, yeah, yeah , yeah , yeah. B u t I h ad never fe lt th a t I h ad
found m y groove. M y place. [G estalt] t r a in in g sta rte d th a t process fo r
m e. A nd th en m eetin g [th is p a rtic u la r th e ra p is t] w as a n o th e r p a rt o f
th a t process. A nd going to [th e re tre a t] w as, “U h , huh! T h is is w h ere I
belong! T h is is m y fie ld !”
I: D id you continue to go a fte r th a t firs t experience?
R : O h, yes. I did.
I: So w h a t was th a t lik e going th e re m aybe even a couple o f tim es a
m onth fo r th a t long period o f tim e?
R : W hen I w as aw ay fro m th e re I w as w o rkin g . B u t going th e re w as
com ing home! [em phatic] A n d , um , I often rem em ber how a lo t o f tim es,
I don’t even rem em ber people’s la s t nam es [fro m those groups], b u t I
know th em so deeply in sid e o f m e! A nd it w as lik e going to a san ctu ary,
[em phatic] V e ry safe, v e ry , um , n ever had a bad trip . J u s t enjoyed
being th ere and going deep in sid e o f m e. A nd being w ith o th e r people
th a t w ere doing s im ila r w o rk.
I : W h a t do you rem em ber about yo u r psychedelic experiences?
R : W h a t do I rem em ber m ostly about them ? [pauses] U m , th e s p iritu a l
connections. R ea lly kn o w in g th a t h u m a n ity is O ne S p irit, [em p h atic]
A nd one experience I h ad o f re a lly seeing an d know ing th a t th e re isn ’t
an y fu tu re o r any p ast, it ’s a ll now . A nd depending upon w h e re , um ,
o u r m ind is , w e th in k it ’s som ething in th e fu tu re , som ething in th e
p ast. B u t, b u t ev ery th in g is happening rig h t now . A ll o f it! [em p h atic]
A nd th a t’s one o f th e tilin g s , th a t, and an experience o f fe e lin g m y soul
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sep arate fro m m y body an d going on a m ountain top. A nd opening up
to th e sun, an d being nourished b y th e sun. A nd ju s t k in d o f d rin k in g in
th a t n o u rish m en t. A nd th e n , re a lly cryin g. A nd [th e th e ra p is t] asked
m e "W hat's going on?” A n d I said , " I don’t w an t to come back, I don’t
w a n t to go back down th e m o u n tain !” A nd it was a ve ry c le a r m essage.
"Y ou r w o rk is on th e e a rth . I t is n ’t up in th e m ountains m e d ita tin g .”
[laughs] A n d w hen m y soul sep arated from m y body, and m y body
a c tu a lly m elted and covered th e cru st o f th e e a rth , along w ith , as fa r
as I could see, [South A m erican w om en]. A nd we becam e th e crust o f
th e e a rth , and generations o f people w alked on us, and w ere nourished
w ith o u t re a lly re a liz in g w h ere th e ir nourishm ent w as com ing from .
A nd I ’ve alw ays rem em bered th a t! A nd w hen I ’m , you kn ow , tire d or
d ish earten ed I ju s t th in k o f th a t visio n , and o f being p a rt o f th e
u n iverse. A n d being ab le to go to th e sun and opening up an d being fed.
I: H av e th e re been changes in y o u r life as a re s u lt o f these
experiences?
R : U h , [pauses] th a t’s a h a rd question to answ er. U m , it ’s lik e m y life
changes co n tin u ally! [laughs]
I: [laughs]
R : I have no id ea as to w h a t m y life w ould have been w ith o u t it!
[em phatic] I, you know , I couldn’t even im agine! I t ’s lik e n o t h avin g
food, I guess! I c e rta in ly fe e l I w as rip e fo r it! [laughs] I fe e l th a t
psychedelics are a tool. I t isn ’t, you know , a c u re -a ll. I t ’s one o f the
tools, and it ’s a tool th a t w orks w e ll fo r m e.
I: A n d do you w o rk as a th e ra p is t now?
R : N o , I don’t. I w ork as a counselor and basically, th e people th a t I see
in counseling are people th a t [have] w orked w ith psychedelics.
I : D o you th in k your psychedelic experiences have had an y effect on
yo u r em o tio n al w ell-being?
R : [answ ers q u ickly] D e fin ite ly !
I : C an you say in w h at w ay?
R : I th in k psychedelics have h elp ed m e re a lly develop a w itness
sep arate fro m m yself, o r, you kn o w , separate from th e b ig "I" th a t I am
p re tty m uch aw are o f a ll th e tim e . Y ou know? No m a tte r how I reac t to
som ething th e re ’s a w itn ess th e re th a t is objective. I t isn ’t sayin g 'Y o u
shouldn’t have", or 'Y o u should have." B u t m ore o f "Isn ’t th a t
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in terestin g ? T h a t’s an in terest." As to w h ere you a re , and how you’re
responding to w h atever th a t is . B as ically th a t th ere’s no good, u h , no
[heavy sigh] good gr bad. N o good or bad, th e re ’s ju s t process, an d you
going down th e road. D epending upon w h a t m y valu e ju d g m en t o f
som ething is , I sav it ’s good or i t ’s bad. B u t in re a lity it isn ’t. I t ’s ju s t
p a rt o f m y process. A nd th e w itness helps m e see th a t. H elps m e no
m a tte r how I ’m actin g or reac tin g , as it ’s saying aO h, th is is
in te re s tin g .”
I: So to w h a t ex ten t did th e psychedelic drugs th a t you have used
change yo u r goals or your values?
R : U m , [pauses] th a t’s a h ard one to answ er too! U m , because I don’t, I
w ouldn’t say th a t th ey changed th em . I ’ve grow n. Fm so d iffe re n t th a n
I w as [w hen I firs t took psychedelics] A nd I th in k going through w h ere
I was [then] provided m e th e basis o f w here I am now. Change? Fve
grow n o ld er and w iser, [laughs]
I: U m , hum . U m , have psychedelics, um , or th e experiences th a t you’ve
had w ith psychedelics ever suggested to you th a t th ey had a s p iritu a l
dim ension o r connotation?
R : D e fin ite ly ! [em phatic] Y eah.
I: A nd can you say a little som ething about th at?
R : U m , [pauses] m any tim es w ith psychedelics I'v e had th e, um , th e
know ing, n o t even th e th in k in g b u t th e know ing th a t we a ll are one
s p irit. A nd th a t h u m an ity is tru ly one s p irit, [em phatic] A nd th a t, u m ,
m ore and m ore now w orking w ith [some o f th e tra d itio n a l South
A m erican psychedelic p lan ts], Fm v e ry aw are o f th e s p iritu a l
connection to a ll liv in g things. T h e trees, th e p lan ts, th e e a rth , th e
an im als. A nd som etim es Fm ab le to , q u ite o ften w ith ayahuasca, ab le
to re a lly tu n e in to s p iritu a lity o f a p la n t. A nd even w ith o u t a
psychedelic, i f I go in to someone’s house and a p la n t needs to be
w atered it ’s lik e I can’t [laughs] s e ttle dow n u n til Fve had th a t w a te r
fo r th a t p la n t! I ’ll ju s t say, "Excuse m e, m in d i f I p u t some w a te r on
yo ur plant? I t ’s ca llin g m e!” [laughs]
I: [laughs] A side from being sensitive to th e language o f a p la n t th a t
needs h elp and so on, how does th a t express its e lf in your life?
R : O h, as an aw areness. As an aw areness o f m y environm ent.
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I: A n d can you id e n tify an y p a rtic u la r w ay in w h ich th a t inform s your
actions?
R : [pauses] U h , le t’s see, som etim es I fe e l v e ry protected by m y
en viro n m en t in th a t w ay. A n d , um , som etim es I fe e l v e ry th reaten ed
by it in th e sam e w ay. T h a t i f I ’m doing som ething, o r i f Fm in a
s itu a tio n th a t’s to xic I fe e l jitte r y in sid e . I t ’s lik e I , th e , um , p lan ts,
ev eryth in g around m e feels, um , it rem in d s m e to b reath e! [laughs] You
know ? I ju s t fe e l lik e , "O kay, w e a ll need to ta k e a deep b re a th .” A nd
th e o n ly th in g I, th e o n ly person I can be to ta lly responsible fo r is
m yself. So pay a tte n tio n , ground y o u rs e lf, be aw are o f w here you a re,
calm dow n, th a t k in d o f th in g . A nd th e re a re o th er tim es th a t Fm in
situ atio n s w h ere I ju s t fe e l to ta lly n o u rish ed and protected by th e
en viro n m en t.
I: U m , hum . H av e th ese experiences th a t come from these m edicines
affected yo ur a ttitu d e to w ard death?
R : Fm sure th e y h ave. T h e reason th ese a re h a rd questions to answ er
is th is has been so lo n g w ith m e I can h a rd ly rem em ber w hen I w as
d iffe re n t! [em phatic] [laug hs] D o you u n d erstan d w h a t I mean?
I: Y es, I do. [pause] H a v e you ever h ad a spontaneous experience th a t
rem in d ed you o f a psychedelic experience?
R : [answ ers q u ickly] Y es.
I: C an you say som ething about th at?
R : T h ere have been tim e s , p a rtic u la rly w ith in th e la s t, um , Fd say 5 or
6 years. I ’l l d ream , h ave a dream th a t w o uld rem in d m e, and w hen I
w ake up I don’t know i f th a t w as a d ream o r i f Fve, [pause] I have to
th in k , "D id I ta k e a psychedelic?”
I: (laughs]
R : [laughs] So th a t k in d o f th in g has happened. U m , som etim es in
conversation som ething w ill come up th a t I w ill have a d eja vu about.
A nd lin k it back to a psychedelic, p a rtic u la rly yag6 o r ayahuasca [a
m ix tu re o f several psychoactive p lan ts th a t is used in relig ious rite s ].
As i f 1'd seen o r h e a rd th is conversation before.
I: U m , hum . A nd th is is som ething th a t happens in yo u r w akin g life?
R : [answ ers q u ickly] Y es. Y es. [em phatic] In counseling w ith people,
p a rtic u la rly people th a t have w orked w ith psychedelics .1 can re c a ll
th e ir p ast experiences th a t th e y ’ve h ad w ith m e v e ry e a s ily , [em phatic]
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I t ju s t comes to m y m in d . A nd it ’s lik e , "W asn’t y o u r goal 2 years ago
th is an d th is and this?” T h a t k in d o f th in g .
I: Fm v e ry in te re s te d in how people come to have expectations o f w h a t
w ould happen to th em w h en th ey took psychedelics.
R : I re a lly fe e l i t ’s v e ry im p o rta n t th a t people h ave a , um , d irec tio n .
S om ething th ey’re lo o kin g fo r. O r a question ,. A n d be as cle ar as
possible as to w h a t th e ir in te n tio n is. A nd I w ill spend q u ite a b it o f
tim e h e lp in g people, u m , c la rify th a t. N o t m ake i t vague, in an y w ay.
To h elp them to , no t to d ir e c t th e ir experience, b u t h e lp th em to be fu lly
p resen t and responsible fo r th e ir experience. So as m uch as possible I
tr y to stay b eh in d th em on th e ir trip , not in fro n t o f them ! A nd no t
g u id in g them b u t su p p o rtin g them . A nd te ll th em to stay behin d th e
m edicine, [laughs] So, u m , it ’s lik e th e 3 o f us going down th e road
together! [laughs]
I: [laughs]
R : [laughs] A n d , um , you know , som etim es people ru n in to detours and
k in d o f w hen you fin d y o u rs e lf on a detou r, note it . Be aw are o f w here
you a re . A nd as soon as you can come back to th e m a in road ag ain .
A nd rem em ber w h a t y o u r in te n tio n is. [em p hatic]
I: D id you y o u rs e lf get a n y guidance about how to trip ? O r w h a t to do?
O r w h a t to expect?
R : U m , [heavy sigh] Fm su re I did from [the person who firs t gave m e a
psychedelic]. T h a t you alw ays get th e trip th a t you need, no t
necessarily th e one you w a n t.
I: [laughs]
R : U h , and he’d spend q u ite a b it o f tim e h e lp in g yo u , u h , id e n tify w h at
you w ere lo o kin g fo r. W h a t yo u r in te n tio n is , in te n tio n s w ere. A n d th en
kn ow in g th a t th e re ’s no w a y th a t you can do it w rong!
I: H u m .
R : I f yo u r set an d s e ttin g is correct, you know , i f yo u’re in a safe place
and you’ve done th e necessary w o rk to be th e re , [h eavy sigh] ju s t re la x
and go w ith it.
I: U m , hum .
R : I th in k Fm m uch m o re, u m , d irective w ith people as fa r as th e ir
in te n tio n th a n h e w as w ith m e.
I: U m , hu m . D o you th in k th a t’s a product o f th e tim e?
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R : I th in k th a t’s a product, yes, I do. I do. [em phatic] T h ere seems to be
[heavy sigh] p a rtic u la rly in ayahuasca groups, th ere’s so m uch energy
out th e re , so m uch diverse energy, an d people com ing from d iffe re n t
ways and d iffe re n t beliefs th a t, um , I th in k m ore w ith ayahuasca th a n
an yth in g else th a t it ’s re a lly im p o rta n t to keep it on th e road, so to
speak. A n d , stay grounded. R em em ber w h a t yo u r in te n tio n is . A nd
stay p resen t, re a lly stay p resen t. W h ere w ith o th er psychedelics,
people can ju s t, you know , go w h erever. J u s t follow it w here ever it
takes you. B u t w ith ayahuasca th e id e a is th a t th e energy’s com ing
from th e heavens and w e’re grounding i t in to th e ea rth . So you’re
ta k in g i t fro m th e heavens and allo w in g i t to come through yo ur body,
and g ivin g it to M o th e r E a rth . So continuously g ivin g it up to th e
e a rth . A n d you know , k in d of, s ittin g s tra ig h t and stayin g present w ith
th a t in te n t.
en viron m ent (D o b kin de R ios, 1996; G rob e t a l., 1996; Lam b, 1971; L u n a
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I: To forgive?
R : U h , h u h . [yes] To see th e o th er side o f th e story.
I: U m , hu m . D o you have any h e a lth problem s th a t resu lted from
ta k in g psychedelics?
R : [answ ers q u ickly] N o I don’t.
I: A nd do you have plans to continue to use them ?
R : Y es, I do. [em phatic]
I: W h y are psychedelics ille g al?
R : F e ar! [laughs]
I: Oh? O f w hat?
R : [laughs] 1 th in k it ’s th e fe a r o f th e pow ers th a t be th a t people w ill
th in k fre e ly , [em phatic] Possibly get along. N o t have so m uch
dissension betw een people. Ju st th in k how g re a t it w ould be i f people
could w o rk th e ir grievances o u t in a psychedelic session! O r have a
psychedelic session and th en do some t a lk in g to g eth er about w h a t i t is
th a t I don’t lik e about you.
I: A re th e re d iffe re n t levels o f re a lity ?
R : Yes! [em phatic] The story I to ld you about, no fu tu re , no past, it ’s
on ly th e p resen t, th a t’s it!
I: T h a t’s th e o n ly one?
R : T h a t’s th e m ain one.
I: So are yo u r thoughts and im ages in yo u r m in d as re a l as say th e
fo rk you e a t yo u r d in n er w ith ?
R : U h , yeah. Th ey’re probably m ore! [pauses] They’re s lig h tly m ore
no u rish in g th a n th e fo rk I e a t m y m eat w ith ! [laughs]
I: [laughs] Y eah .
R : B u t I can use som ething else besides th a t fo rk! B u t I w ould be lo st
w ith o u t m y im ages, [laughs]
I: C an you, can you move th ing s on th e le v e l o f re a lity th a t th e fo rk
exists on w ith th e things th a t go on in yo u r m in d?
R : I can u n d er some circum stances, [em phatic]
I: U m , hum . C an you say a little b it about w h a t those m ig h t be?
R : I can w ith ayahuasca. I can do an am azin g am ount o f research,
re p a ir, p lan n in g . It's lik e being able to go in to th e A kash ic Records
[A kasha is th e S a n s k rit w ord fo r th e e th e ric substance o f th e U n iv erse,
on w hich th e re is im pressed a record o f every occurrence since th e
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b eg in n in g o f tim e an ti t o w hich one can tu n e in v ib ra tio n a lly ] and fig u re
th in g s ou t. To give you an id ea of, um , ju s t so m ethin g re c e n tly , as o f
yesterd ay I ju s t com pleted in th e la s t, uh , 8 d ays, 4 sessions w ith
ayahuasca w ith a cu ran dero from P eru . A nd I decided to s tay on th e
d ie t [th a t is p a rt o f th e p re p a ra tio n ritu a l fo r ta k in g ayahuasca], and
M onday Fm going to go in th e re ag ain cause I need to do some
p la n n in g as to how I w a n t th e re s t o f th is y e a r to look an d to go fo r
m yself. In a d d itio n , I have a frie n d h ere w ho is d yin g , so in one o f m y
sessions la s t w eek I w as focusing on h im in a w a y to , I th in k m y
in te n tio n w as to , nnn, — w h at d id I say? — u m , lik e , tr ip in h is nam e.
I: Y eah .
R : A nd th e n , w ith in 5 m inu tes o f in g estin g th e ayahuasca I got th e
w hole th in g of, “O ka y, w h a t is i t you w ant? T h e good parts? Th e bad
parts? T h e karm a? W h a t are you re a lly w illin g to ta k e on?” A nd it ’s
lik e , "O h, m y God! I have to m ake m y in te n tio n s a little m ore clear!”
A nd I ju s t got to re a lly look a t th a t. P a rt o f i t cam e up as arrogance.
Y ou know? "The nerve! To th in k th a t you can c a ll th is energy fo r
someone else, D o you th in k th a t h is process is n ’t p erfect th e w ay it is?"
[laughs] Y ou know ? A ll o f th a t k in d o f s tu ff cam e u p . A n d i t took m e,
you know , w e w ere th e re fo r 3 o r 4 hours ju s t k in d o f w o rkin g w ith
th a t. A nd, um , th e n th e n ext session, it w as 2 n ig h ts la te r m y in te n tio n
w as to fin d th e place in sid e o f m y s e lf th a t w as s till and serene, to th e
p o in t th a t I h ad an abundance o f th a t. So th a t I could su pp ort him from
th e re . W hich w as a m uch b e tte r place to be th a n w h ere I w as a couple
days before th a t! [laughs] T h en ta lk in g to h im w h en I got hom e, as to
w h a t th e tr ip w as ab o u t and so fo rth and so on. I t seem s th a t w e’ve
been h a vin g p a ra lle l dream s, so w h a t I w a n t to do on M onday n ig h t is
to k in d o f exp lo re some o f th e dream s th a t he’s h ad from th e dream s
th a t Fve h ad arou nd h is death . B u t, I g et a lo t done, a lo t done w ith
ayahuasca. [em p h atic]
th a t had respect fo r s p irits and a d a ily fa m ilia rity w ith d e a th , M A 's firs t
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psychedelic experience fe lt lik e coining hom e. Y ears o f focus and stu d y in
o f em phasizing m y in te rp re ta tio n s and analyses and illu s tra tin g these w ith
to th e read er.
usefulness in illu s tra tin g p a rtic u la r them es and topics. I have trie d to
o f points th a t I was try in g to m ake (R eissm an, 1993). The tra n s c rip ts have
been ed ited to m ake th em som ew hat m ore read able, e lim in a tin g m any
"urn's," rep etitio n s and false s ta rts . D esp ite th is atte m p t, I have also
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w hich th e occurrence o f a d d itio n a l v e rb a l and non-verbal cues suggested
eleven in terview s as illu s tra tio n s o f them es and pattern s th a t I have noted
to allo w th e read er to develop a lte rn a tiv e in terp reta tio n s based upon his or
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C hapter 5: T hem es and U n derstand in gs
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w ere hopelessly in ad eq u ate. I obtained d e ta ile d d escrip tion s o f su b je c tiv e
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seem ed to be sep arate phenom ena. T h e respondents described increased
s e lf in a la rg e r w o rld .
tran sp erso n al u n ity have been id e n tifie d p revio u sly as aspects o f various
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m any respondents, th e accounts o f th e ir psychedelic experiences describe
an exam ple:
M e tzn e r:
ap p reciatio n o f an in fin ite ly com plex b u t e x p e rie n tia lly sim ple
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re la tio n s h ip betw een a ll objects, concepts an d liv in g processes.
A c e n tra l perception
aw areness
come even once to a m an has com pletely re v o lu tio n ize d his subsequent life
and cosmic u n ity w ere s trik in g ly s im ila r, and m an y who described these
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These descriptions, w h ile elo qu ent and evocative, em phasize the
("The begin nin g o f tran sfo rm atio n "), N M ("A sense o f doing good in the
Presence") re la te d h e r helplessness and fru s tra tio n w hen co nfron tin g, fro m
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en viro n m en tal degradatio n in th e w o rld w e share. In a d d itio n , h e r p re
own s k ills and self-w o rth m ay have co n trib u ted to th e personal fra g ility
illness.
capacity to change both one's ou tlo ok and one's subsequent life (B ishop,
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developm ent o f personal in sig h ts "and kn ow in g [her] own m in d , and goals
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grow th w hen she m entions "in tra-p sych ic w ork" and becom ing "m uch m ore
in w h ich she gained confidence and lea rn ed about ris k ta k in g , b u t she does
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M an y psychedelic researchers have pointed out th a t h ig h er doses (in
excess o f 200 pg) w ill have such an overw helm ing effect th a t an y attem pts
sm all doses tend to produce eu p h o ria, and some perceptual a lte ra tio n , b u t
and th e only one whose firs t use took place a fte r 1970 received a high-dose
exposed to a h ig h dose.
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could produce psychological change o r s p iritu a l in s ig h t, seeing
in ten tio n s fo r use had some elem ents o f self-exp lo ratio n and group le a rn in g .
C u ltu ra l stories
n a rra tiv e s , accepted or c u ltu ra lly p re v a le n t p lo t stru ctu res pro vid e
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in d iv id u a l experiences (B ru n e r, 1 9 87). These a re "c u ltu ra l stories." T h ey
in tim e and space ("d u rin g S p rin g b rea k," "la st N ovem ber," "in Ita ly " ).
ch eerlead er").
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about th e developm ent o f an "am o tivatio n al syndrom e" (C ohen, 1968a;
d e fin itio n s describing s a lie n t a d u lt a c tiv itie s ; p a rtic ip a tio n in tasks and
resp o n sib ilities re la te d to those role d e fin itio n s; p a rtic ip a tio n in a n etw o rk
o f fa m ily and com m unity relation ship s; and a g rad u al accum ulation o f
th a t rep resen t th e resu lts and rew ards o f years o f steady progress and
developm ent (C o h ler, 1982). The w ay in w hich these an ticip ated events (th e
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T h e specific p lo t o r sju ze t is found in th e p a rtic u la r circum stances o f
each life , its tw ists o f fa te , unique and novel occurrences, and in d ivid u a l
events. T h e experience o f psychedelic d rug use is a n elem ent o f sju zet here.
The g ath erin g to g eth er in n a rra tiv e o f th e te lle r's experiences and
psychedelic drugs, and alm ost alw ays w as described to include a d irect,
an e ffo rt in corpo rate new in sig h ts, values and goals. T h e basic sequence,
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relig io u s conversion, new parenthood, psychotherapy, r itu a l in itia tio n , and
(H o uston, 1968).
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th in k th a t fa c t alone gives you options to change w h a t you do w ith your
life , [long pause] F o r m e ta k in g L S D , I ended up spending a lo t o f m y
tim e in th e P ra n k s te r scene and hanging arou nd th e lik e s o f N e il
Cassady w ho w as a p re tty determ in ed trip p e r. H is fa m ily background
was so d iffe re n t from m in e, his life s ty le was so d iffe re n t from m in e th a t
I could h a rd ly com prehend w h a t he w as up to! A n d so even w ith in th a t
scene I w as to ta lly subm erged in som ething th a t w as fa r m ore
d iffe re n t. R ougher, to u g h er, re a lly carin g. T o u g h er and ca rin g a t th e
same tim e . Nobody cared about yo ur wh in in g ! B u t everybody cared
about yo u r re a l w ell-b e in g . W hereas, I th in k in m y previous existence
people cared a lo t about yo u r w h in in g , b u t n o t re a lly about yo u r tru e
w ell-b ein g . So, w h ere acid led m e was such a d iffe re n t life th a t, I w ould
say th a t th e acid led m e places I sim ply w o u ld n 't have gone otherw ise.
A nd th en th e exposure to those places and people and circum stances,
plus th e L S D , m ade a huge difference in m y life , [em p hatic] So, I th in k
th e answ er is yes. L S D not on ly pointed th e w a y , i t a c tu a lly took m e
th ere and le ft m e th e re . A nd th e n I had to d eal w ith th a t. A nd w h ere it
le ft me in th e firs t few years w as places w here I tended to do a lo t m ore
L S D , cause th a t's w h a t everybody was doing. (O W , age 6 3 )
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need to know about th is in te rv ie w ! M y brain 's synapses w ere firin g
aw ay and I fe lt "This is heaven!" A nd it was beyond m y com prehension
th a t anyone w ould w an t to leave it! W hy w ould a n y o n e ...I sat th e re , I
was b e y o n d ...I co u ld n 't ta lk . M y m ind was th in k in g in paragraph s and
chapters, and m y m outh could only go a sentence a t a tim e ! [em p hatic]
B u t, I sat th ere in befuddlem ent w hy anyone w ould w an t to leave
p aradise. T h a t w as m y firs t glim pse. I was 24 or 25 years old. I w as
perhaps seeing th e G ra il fo r th e firs t tim e! [laughs] I kn ew th ere m u st
be som ething about life th a t's beyond m akin g your M om and D ad
happy, and h avin g a jo b and m oney so th a t everybody w ill th in k th a t
you're n e at, and you can w a lk around fe elin g th a t you're a little b it
b e tte r th a n somebody else. Th ere had to be som ething beyond th a t.
(E N , age 56)
su ffic ien t m a tu rity . Those who w ere dism ayed by deviations from th is
c u ltu ra l sto ry, in clu d in g m any social com m entators, p o litic ia n s , m edical
psychedelic d ru g users and "high p ries t o f LSD " (O n and O ff, 1966, p. 9 0 )
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1964b, p. 4). M uch o f w h at drop-outs le ft behin d — ru les , roles, ritu a ls ,
goals, languages, law s and valu es, along w ith accepted w ays o f
s tru c tu rin g space and tim e such as boundaries, schedules and possessions
he claim ed, one could come to see th e "a rtifa c tu a l and c u ltu ra lly
re a liza tio n , Leary argued, was to drop ou t by refu sin g to p lay th e gam es o f
F ive C asualties
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stu d y "dropped out" in one w ay or an o th er, o n ly fiv e described th is k in d o f
fire and th e S p irit" ), w ho saw his personal sto ry as one o f fra g m e n ta tio n ,
period o f im m e d ia te d ru g effects.
F a tig u e
facto rs rem ain q u ite u n clear. The d iffic u lty o f d isen tan g lin g how specific
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fo rties. As a p a rt o f th is process o f seeking, she took psychedelics fo r th e
firs t tim e in a th erap y settin g in 1975. She had intended, before h e r firs t
experience was so “fu ll and ric h ,” so “to ta l” and so “assau ltive” th a t both
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R : T h a t has stayed w ith m e, yeah . T h ere are other things th a t I
th o u g h t would be forever, lik e kn ow in g about m y own m agnificence and
oneness w ith the universe, th a t I w ould say, flicker, die, come and go.
B u t I have moments!
10 years, stopping w hen she becam e ill w ith chronic fatigue syndrom e in
the m id -8 0 ’s.
I : A nd th en you stopped?
R : A nd th en I stopped. A nd, um , I stopped about tw elve years ago
because I got very sick. A nd one o f th e effects of th a t drug, I m ean,
besides the fact th a t, you know , i t ju s t sort o f wasn’t in m y m in d [to
ta k e m ore M D M A ] w as th a t, w h en I got sick, it fe lt very d e b ilita tin g
physically to me. E sp ecially as I passed fo rty and started [m enopause],
an d th en became fo rty -fiv e , w hich is w hen I got sick. And it seemed to
m e th a t every year th a t w en t by, th e physical effects of [M D M A ] w ould
ta k e longer to w ear off. A nd th e n I w ould be exhausted afterw ards.
A n d ju s t kin d o f a physical w reck fo r days! U p to a week afterw ard s.
A n d w hen I got sick, i t ju s t seemed crazy to p u t m y body th ro ugh th a t.
A n d you know, I never thought th a t i t was the cause o f m y illness, b u t
I wondered a t the tim e i f it w asn’t one o f the stresses a t the tim e. I
could p u t it on a lis t o f about tw elve things going on in m y life th en . I
don’t know. H I never know . B u t i t w as certain ly one o f the things going
on th en , and one o f th e things th a t I knew I couldn’t do afterw ards.
w h ich she became addicted. A fte r years o f severe substance abuse she
N A an d A A .
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ris k fo r ta k in g other drugs.” A n d w hen I th in k about it, I th in k , "W ell,
th ere are tw o possibilities. E ith e r th ey’re rig h t o r th ey’re w rong. I f
th ey’re w rong I have ju s t given up drugs.” A nd th a t, even though it
was useful and great, was n o t th e biggest p a rt o f m y life . I f th ey’re
rig h t, you kn ow , I ’m saving m y life . So it ’s lik e a n o -b rain er for me.
"Yes, I w ill give th a t up." You know? B u t on th e o ther hand I have
given up fa tty foods and a w hole o th er lo t o f s tu ff, too. A nd th ere’s a
loss in th a t, too. [laughs] So, no. I don’t see m yse lf ever doing it again.
B ut th e re ’s a lo t o f things I ’m never going to do again.
developm ent o f a chronic disabling illness. She has recovered from both
her w o rk as a counselor.
K M 's life has been restru ctu red by th e process o f recuperation from
F ra c tu re
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ways. In th is study th e m ost extrem e exam ple o f th is k in d o f drastic
experience.
whom he hoped w ould be able to h elp h im b u ild a new id e n tity . One m onth
panic reaction.
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creatin g each other, and havin g a re a l in te ra c tio n in each other's
changing an d developm ent. A nd in the w ay th a t psychedelics have,
w ith one th in g a fte r another, a ll o f a sudden I came colliding in to th e
notion th a t I am God! A nd everyth ing in m e, everyth in g logical in m e
ju s t locked up and said "That thought is one, insane, and tw o, it's
blasphem ous! I am not allow ed to be God! I cannot be God! I have
re a lly gone over th e edge here! T h is is not allow ed! This is re a l red
lig h t te rrito ry !" . . . and I started to ru n for th e fro n t door to get out o f
th e ap artm en t! B . had ju s t come in from th e outside and th e re was
broken glass outside and th ere w ere cops outside. One, he was w orried
about m e c u ttin g m y feet, cause I was barefoot. Tw o, he w as w o rried
about b rin g in g th e h e at, cause I was going to m ake a mess! I was
going to be a crazy kid ! A nd I was going to m ake a lo t o f noise, I was
to ta lly out o f control. H e couldn't le t me out. H e grabbed m e, and I
slugged h im w ith everyth in g I had in m y 18 y e a r old body, and a t th e
tim e I was in th e best shape, and I knocked h im down! A nd I w en t
ru n n in g back in to th e room. And in the fro n t o f th e fla t was a big
w indow . T h e re was a couch in fro n t o f th a t, and I ju s t w en t fo r it, w en t
ru n n in g fo r th e w indow , and dove over the couch and w en t s tra ig h t
through th e glass! A nd I w en t up and w hen I w en t out o f th e glass, I
w en t out o f m y body. A nd I was in ju s t pure lig h t. I was to ta lly
fre e . [long pause] I fe lt th is am azing release, lik e I had to ta lly gained
com plete id e n tity , and had been brought back in Buddah-hood, w hen I
heard a th u m p . A nd I opened m y eyes and [m akes loud clapp ing sound
w ith his hands] and I was back in m y body and I was on th e ground! I
was risin g on m y forearm s and knees. I w asn 't paralyzed ye t, and B.
cam e ru n n in g down th e stairs and he was an gry a t being h it! H e was
an gry a t m y out-of-controlness, and now I d e fin ite ly had brought th e
h e at, he was re a lly pissed! I was up on m y hands and knees, it seemed
lik e I had somehow m ade it through th a t, and he pushed m e down to
th e ground and I heard a snap. A nd th at's w hen m y neck, th at's w hen I
fin a lly , I m ean I th in k it was, I had shattered th e spine, b u t it h ad n 't
re a lly come a p a rt ye t. A nd th at's w hen it did. A n d I collapsed. . . I
fa in te d and I w en t out in the darkness. . . I w en t ou t in to to ta l, to ta l
blackness. I fe lt lik e a cold, lifeless rock in th e m iddle o f space. A nd it
was lik e so cold, so d a rk , and so alone. A nd I ju s t d id n 't w a n t to stay
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there. So, I took a b rea th back in and found m yself lyin g on m y back,
looking up a t an x -ra y cone. A nd I could see these black rays coming
out of th is x -ra y come, and m y body was lik e a bonfire! I t was ju s t
nothing b u t b u m . J u st 'cause, I was paralyzed from the chest down,
and I d id n 't realize it. So, a ll I could feel was lik e th e super intense
am p lificatio n o f th e fe elin g th a t you get w hen your arm falls asleep.
Ju st th is intense pins and needles b u m . In m y m ystery play m ind, I
was in H e ll! Th ere was ju s t no w ay about it! I was in H e ll! [v e ry
em phatic] A nd every, i t was lik e the w hole o f E a rth had been changed
into th is gigantic prison camp! A nd I was in m ate #1! . . . A nd the
doctors came w ith a stainless steel d rill and b it, and pu t i t up to m y
tem ples. Cause th ey had to attach the halo [traction device]. A nd so I
was in ju s t th e ve ry beginning, o f an S TP trip . S T P frig g in g lasts 3
days! Y ou're peaking th e w hole firs t day! A nd th ey're ta k in g a d r ill b it
and d rillin g in to m y s k u ll. You know? A nd I could h e a r th e d rill b it
going in to m y skull. You know? A nd I ju s t, I figured th e deal was th a t
th ey w ere p lan n in g to d r ill m y b rain . T h a t th ey w ere going a ll the w ay
through! A nd so I ju s t la y back, and I w ill never forget the sound o f the
bone crunching! Ju st before th ey penetrated in to th e b ra in they
stopped and I fe lt th is am azin g relie f. A nd th en th ey w ent to the other
side and started over th ere, [heavy sigh] [begins to weep] A nd I m ade
it through th a t. A nd th ey attached the [halo tongs] th in g to m y head
and added w eights. So, I'm now lik e , in th is m ost m edieval in quisitio n
setting, you know? A nd th en B . comes in and says "Look, we gotta te ll
'em who you are!" Cause up to th en I had been using an alias. A nd so, I
said "Yeah, yeah, it's okay." A nd le t him te ll 'em. So, the next day an
am bulance came and th ey took me to th e N a v a l H o sp ital in O akland.
A nd I got th ere, I was s till trip p in g , b u t again I had reached th is real
peaceful place w ith it. I t was lik e I was doing okay. I t was very w eird ,
everyth ing seemed v e ry strange and tw isted , b u t I was kin d o f
strangely calm . B u t, I got to th e hospital and th is doctor th ere figured I
was trip p in g and fig u red I m ust be on L S D , and so th ey decided to give
me Thorazine. Th o razin e and S TP are not friends. B u t, w h ile
Thorazine w ould b rin g you down from acid, Thorazin e would actu ally
m ake S TP worse and gu arantee you w en t in to psychosis! . . . I
rem em ber seeing a ll around m e, ju s t lin ed up, alm ost lik e tie r a fte r tie r
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in th is am p h ith eate r, everyth in g I had ever im agined from m y
childhood. F a irie s and elves, and cowboys and In d ian s and spacem en,
a ll th e paisley psychedelic stu ff. M y w hole im ag in atio n was arraig n ed
around m e [begins to weep] and I ju s t s tarted exhaling. A nd as I was
ex h alin g I rem em bered. A ll o f a sudden th e nam e o f Jesus came
th ro ugh w h ile I was exhaling. A nd so I ju s t started b reath in g out
"Jesus, Jesus" and a ll those figures little by little , w ith each exhale, it
was lik e th ey w ould tu rn in to birds. A t firs t lik e one or two, and th ree
and four o f 'em. And fin a lly th is huge convocation o f birds w en t up in
th e a ir and w en t flyin g over m e. I rem em ber seeing thousands and
thousands o f b lack birds ag ain st th is so rt o f sky. A nd w hen th e y a ll
le ft, it was lik e the roof closed in , th e re was no m ore sky, and I was
back in th e room for the firs t tim e. A n d I was to ta lly in the H e re . A nd I
w as fin a lly back in m y m ind , basically. A n d m y m other a rriv e d from
th e E ast Coast. And th a t was th e end o f th a t trip ! A lthough in a lo t o f
w ays, I never re a lly , I m ean I never got back in to m y body. [B eing
paralyzed is lik e ] being on th e top o f m y shoulders down to ju s t above
m y nipples, and I don't re a lly feel lik e th a t trip has ever re a lly ended.
Cause I'v e never. . . [begins to sob] I feel lik e it's s till in a holding
p a tte rn , and I'm lik e 3 feet from th e ground.
X F 's n a rra tiv e describes his re h a b ilita tio n and th e restru ctu rin g o f
his life around his desire to fin d a livelihood th a t would sustain h im and
o th er respondents.
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m yse lf in th is w o rld . And th a t was m y w hole object, was to be able to
keep a hold o f e te rn ity and be someone o f v a lu e to m y com m unity. A nd
not have it be a compromise for e ith e r side. T h a t I w o u ld n 't be sort o f
lik e th is sem i-com petent person th e co m m u n ity h ad to support and p u t
up w ith m e, because they lik e m e and fe lt so rry fo r m e. O r a complete
drag on th e com m unity. O r a user o f th e co m m un ity, who ju s t drew
from th e com m unity and never re a lly p u t m uch back. So the whole
tim e I'v e been w o rkin g on a ll the s p iritu a l s tu ff, I'v e also been try in g to
teach m yse lf how to play m usic. C ause I p layed drum s before I was
h u rt, b u t I n ever played any other k in d o f m usic. So, I bought a
keyboard and m y hands are paralyzed from th e accident, so I can 't
play n o rm al stu ff. I basically m ade up a m usic. B u t, I found a w ay to
p lay it w here o ther people could play along. O r I found a w ay to play
along w ith o th er people, so th ey d id n 't m ind m e p la y in g w ith them . A nd
anyhow , i t ju s t seems lik e since I fe lt in te g ra te d in m yself, a ll o f a
sudden a ll o f these other people are saying "H ey! W ho are you? Y ou're
very in terestin g !" B u t rig h t now it feels lik e m aybe th e firs t tim e in m y
life th a t I have a re a lly com fortable place an d a com fortable function.
A nd I can e a rn a liv in g being m e, w h ich has been w h a t I'd hoped to m y
whole life.
I: W ould you describe your w o rk in p ra c tic a l term s?
R : U m , I have a recording studio w h ich is rag g ed ly p u t together by
m e. It's not a technical wonder, b u t I so rt o f pieced i t together. B u t it
w orks. A nd I'm now being paid $50 a n hour to lis te n to music.
(X F , age 5 3 )
fin d in g e th ic a lly acceptable and m a te ria lly su sta in in g life w ork. W h a t had
been a trag ed y has been restru ctu red as a progressive n a rra tiv e .
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F o r these fiv e respondents, th e p o int a t w hich th e ir psychedelic
become progressive as crises are surm ounted and lives re-p lotted and
-- the n a rra tiv e slope shifts upw ard as lives are restru ctu red and the
B H , for exam ple, te lls the story o f h e r homecom ing a fte r her firs t ye ar o f
college:
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'"Are you on drugs?'"
R: W hen I w ent o ff to college I had been a m ajorette in high school. I
was as s tra ig h t as you could probably, possibly im agine. I w ould have
been the las t person th a t anyone w ould suspect or an ticip ate th a t I
would become a hippie. The tran sfo rm atio n was p re tty rad ical. I w en t
o ff to school one w ay and came home [laughs] com pletely, very, very
differen t. M uch to m y parents dism ay! [laughs] And chagrin! I
rem em ber gettin g o ff the airp lan e and m y m other. . .
I: C an you describe that?
R : I w ent o ff to school, I was dressed in a little dress. I had on pumps
and, um , you know , w h at can I say? [laughs] M y h a ir w as curled! A nd
I came home w ith blue jeans and a s lin k y s h irt, and m y h a ir not curled
for the firs t tim e in m y life! A nd a peace sign hanging around m y neck.
. . I couldn't w a it to te ll everyone, in clud ing m y parents! So, w hen m y
m other picked me up a t the a irp o rt she d id n 't say an yth in g u n til we
got in the car. A nd as we w ere p u llin g ou t o f th e airp o rt, um , she
looked a t me and said, "Are you on drugs?" [laughs] . . . I don't know
exactly w h at was going on for her. I have often thought back and I'v e
often said th a t for m yself, personally, i f I w ouldn't have had L S D , um ,
a t a young age and the w ay th a t I did, I th in k th a t I w ould have, um ,
m any things in m y life probably w ould have been very, very d ifferen t. I
th in k I would have gone m uch m ore by some pre-prescribed route o f
w h at m y life was supposed to be lik e . (B H , age 50)
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n a rra tiv e w ith a s im ila r b u t no t id en tical goal state, and d is tin c tly a
d ram atic, know n only to them selves or visible to others. K T , fo r exam ple,
describes the differences betw een h er own life and th e lives o f h e r sisters
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W h ile social w ith d ra w a l an d p o litic al passivity w ere feared and
and has become a com m unity lea d e r, w o rkin g p rim a rily w ith issues o f
involvem ent:
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A nother respondent, E N (" It was self-evident"), joined an in te n tio n a l
su sta in a b ility, and spent years abroad as an aid w orker. H e describes his
m iddle age w ith no m a te ria l secu rity or assets w ith w hich to provide fo r
the rest o f h e r life , a situ atio n she finds m ore tirin g th an lib e ra tin g as she
ages.
m ust have been fo r his w ife and young ch ildren when he m ade th e choice to
rad ic ally change his life a fte r his firs t experiences w ith psychedelics. H e
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life w ould even tu ally have caused changes s im ila r to those precip itated by
businessm an who has recently suffered some serious fin an cial losses, spoke
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I: No! [feigns shock] [laughs]
R : [laughing]
I: I t sounds to m e lik e you don't necessarily define y o u rs e lf as your
career?
R : No. I c e rta in ly don't! [answ ers ve ry quickly] U m , I th in k th a t m y life
is, has been and w ill continue to be about developing m y h u m an ity.
A nd there is no end in sight.
I: Y ou're not going to re tire from th at?
R : N o. No. N o r am I ever going to get paid for it! I t belongs to me. T h is
is w h a t I'm here fo r. I'm not here fo r [heavy sigh] th e am assing of
w o rld ly treasures. A lth o u g h th ey're nice, you know? I m ean, I'v e had
nice things. I have nice things. I w ill probably continue to have nice
things. B u t, I don't need them .
(H E , age 65)
stayed in a conventional life plot. E N 's (" It was self-evident") statem ent
these respondents:
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th a t e a rly exposure to th e psychedelics encouraged th e developm ent o f an
D iv e rg e n t p lo t sequences
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another elem ent o f the n a rra tiv e sequence o f e m p lo tm e n t , in terru p tio n and
scripts. Both te ll stories of present-day disap poin tm ent and fru s tra tio n
and were not restru ctu red according to ideals th a t th ey hold m ost
responsibilities .
tran slated w ith o u t restru ctu rin g in to a life guided by his psychedelic
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insights. R a th e r th a n dropping o u t, he continued th e process o f education
his ideals w ould come very slow ly. H e has continued to use psychedelics
insights
w ere able to be in teg rated w ith o u t in te rru p tio n , th ere has been no loss o f
m om entum or opportunities for grow th, as th ere w ere few old h abits and
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M A 's n a rra tiv e is o f a continuously progressive sto ry in w h ich th e re
in te rru p tio n o f personal n a rra tiv e s th a t can provide an o p p o rtu n ity "to see
ju d g m en tal w ay.
S ub sidiary them es
schools o f th oug ht about how to use psychedelics, how to p rep are, and w h a t
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In ad d itio n to those raised spontaneously by p articip an ts, I probed
use and about ille g a l drugs in general. In n e ith e r of these cases did I fin d
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R : [pauses] U m , no. I t ju s t seems to be, in term s o f m y peers, no. I don’t
know w hy th a t is. [em phatic] I re a lly don’t. I t ju s t doesn’t seem to be,
um , it ’s an in terestin g question! I m ean, I don’t have the answ er to it,
b u t I can’t rem em ber having a conversation. I m ean, som etim es F ll
ta lk about havin g mushrooms or som ething, th e re w ill be some sort o f
references. N o t too much to acid or m escaline o r those sorts o f th ing s.
A nd, um , yeah, it ju s t doesn’t seem to happen.
I : Is th ere any reason to conceal those experiences?
R : [answers quickly] No! [em phatic]
I: W ould you be harm ed i f people in your w orkplace say, knew th a t you
had done those things?
R : [answers quickly] No. No. N o t th a t I know of. I ’m try in g to th in k .
W h a t firs t comes to m ind is m y funding sources. B u t, I don’t even
th in k . . . I don’t th in k it would be a problem fo r m y w ork a t a ll.
[em phatic]
O M , age 57
broken in his youth. H is psychedelic experiences sim ply never come up.
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I: Y o u r fam ily?
R : M y fa m ily .
I: Y o u r fa m ily o f origin?
R : U m , hum . (yes)
I : Is th e re anybody from w hom you try to keep i t secret?
R : O th e r th a n th e police [laughs] let's see, I fe el people out. I'm alw ays,
um , w hen I m et new people or new circles o f people it's one o f those
things th a t seems to fin d its w ay in to a conversation somehow. A nd
th en th ere seem to be in dicators and cues th a t get passed, th a t you
realize you can say th is. A nd also, I feel th a t, um , m y life has had so
m any o th er dim ensions to i t th a t w en t beyond ju s t th e H ip p ie, th e p a rt
o f m e th a t was th e H ip p ie . T h a t I have a c e rta in c re d ib ility in th e
w orld so th a t I can stand up a t th is age and say, "Yeah, w ell, as a
m a tte r o f fact, I do. A nd yes, as a m a tte r o f fa ct, it's not ju s t som ething
th a t I did th irty years ago. B u t, yes, I s till do it. A nd I fin d i t to be very
effective." A nd it's in te re s tin g to m e th e, um , nu m b er o f people who
m aybe trie d it a few tim es [a long tim e ago], w ho th en become
in terested in re v is itin g th a t place. O r th ey never did, for w h atever
reason, and are in terested [now]. So yeah, I a c tu a lly , in the la s t
num ber o f years, have m ade an e ffo rt to try to be m ore public about
th a t. A bout psychedelics, in p a rtic u la r. (B H , age 50)
sig nifican t achievem ents to speak out pu blicly from a position o f re la tiv e
(Nobel P rize L a u re a te in C h e m istry, 1993), for exam ple, has often said
publicly th a t he w ould have been fa r less in ven tive and in sig h tfu l w ith o u t
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psychedelic experiences as w e ll. Som e respondents are subject to sanction
o f conform ity under in ten sive professional scru tiny, w h eth er fo rm al, as in
p rac titio n e rs o f heterodox h e a lin g m ethodologies has h isto ric ally m ade
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I: Do you fin d you have d iffic u lty ta lk in g about your experiences?
R : N o t a t a ll. [answers quickly] [laughs]
I: B u t, you don't often ta lk about it?
R : Depends on w ho th e lis ten er is. I f I feel th a t the lis te n e r is listening,
num ber one, and th a t i t is being heard w ith an open m in d. It's no one
else's business o r experience b u t m y own! So, unless I w a n t to share a
piece o f m y in n e r self...A nd these tim es are tim es o f ...[pause]... W e're
s till in th e b u rn in g tim es! A nd th is is dangerous knowledge! I t is
knowledge th a t is very pow erful. So, I don't share it because of th a t. I
don't share it w ith people th a t I would love to share it w ith , it's too
dangerous!
I: Do you ever fin d th a t i f you decide to ta lk about th is p a rt o f yourself
w ith somebody an d th en you get a surprise a t the reception th a t you
get? L ik e e ith e r th ey don't get it, or th ey don't lik e it?
R : I don't ta lk about i t w ith anyone th a t I have any question about.
I: So, you have some w ay o f know ing who you can ta lk about it w ith?
R : O h, yeah! I on ly ta lk about it w ith m y in n e r circle. W ith m y tribe.
I: A nd how do you know who th a t is?
R : W e ll, m y trib e is a group o f friends th a t experience tru th and
honesty together. W e celebrate equinox and solstice together. It's a
very in n e r fa m ily , a group o f friends.
I: So, w hen you say yo u r trib e , your ta lk in g about a group o f people
w ith w hom you have a cerem onial life?
R : T h at's rig h t.
I: A nd th a t is q u ite overt, it's not a fe elin g you have about some
people?
R : No, no, no. It's overt. A nd we m ake tim e together, w e gather a t
those tim es. T h ey are re a lly the only ones, other th a n groups of women
th a t a re opening up know ledge o f sacred m edicines. W here the
knowledge w ill be k e p t secret and is not ever shared w ith anyone else.
I: B u t th a t also is a fo rm al settin g in w hich th ere is agreed upon...
there's an overt...?
R : A greed upon silence.
I: Y eah. So it's no t lik e you get the vibe o f th e person th a t you pass
your clothes to across th e counter a t th e d ry cleaners an d decide to
discuss i t w ith them ?
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R : N o t a t a ll. N o t a t a ll. Because th is is d ealin g w ith know ledge th a t
can a lte r your life . (K T , age 49)
E ven for persons who are not subject to leg al or professional censure
incorporate into the life n a rra tiv e o f m any stable and successful m iddle-
aged A m ericans. F o r exam ple, two respondents who are g ran dp arents
w hen attem pts are m ade to describe them u sing o rd in ary language and
not w ish to explain them , argue about them o r be called upon to ju s tify
them .
had a deep and tran sfo rm ative im pact on th e user should rem ain
undisclosed was offered by five respondents. T h ey are not sim ply secret,
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trea ted w ith g re a t delicacy and respect. N M ("A sense o f doing good in th e
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[w ith psychedelics] A nd I re a lly don’t w a n t to present th a t to a state
o f m in d th a t can’t conceive o f it a t a ll! [em phatic] O r i f a t a ll, as th e
re s u lt o f 20 or 30 years o f d ep rivatio n , m editatio n on a h a rd flo or or
som ething, [lowers h e r voice] A nd I ju s t, you know , got it! T h a n k
God! I am so th a n k fu l th a t I was a t th e rig h t place a t th e rig h t tim e!
B u t I don’t re a lly w a n t...I love to ta lk about i t w ith those who have
had it. O r those who never did ta k e L S D b u t re a lize th a t it was a
w o nderful th in g , [em phatic]
I: N ow stop a second and th in k about th a t. I th in k I understand
w h a t you ju s t said. B u t you said th e re w ere 2 parts? Do you w a n t to
try ta lk in g about th e o th er one?
R : O h, w e ll those, th ere’s th e m o ralistic sense o f "You’re a bad g irl."
A nd th e second p a rt is th a t th ere are a lo t o f people who even i f th ey
d id n 't have a m o ral ju d g m en t on it, th ey w ould rid icu le it. Those are
th e tw o p arts.
I : N ow w h a t do you th in k happens w hen you ta lk about it to
somebody who does share it?
R : Y ou know , I have found, I th in k th a t w h at’s happened is th a t
w h enever I fin d someone who has h ad a s im ila r experience and we
fig u re th a t out about each other, th a t I ’m so re v e re n tia l about it
th a t, m y voice deepens and I ta lk slow er. . . You know , I th in k re a lly
th a t w h a t happens is th a t it, we can ta lk about it once. W e can refe r
to it in n u m erab le tim es, bu t it ’s alm ost w ith o u t words, [speaking
v e ry softly] I t ’s alm ost a, to ta lk about it is to have it be red u n d an t. I
m e a n ...
I : R edundant?
R : Y eah , th a t ou r words are descriptions, I know you have had th e
experience w ith L S D , fo r instance. W e have had experiences th a t
have touched th e essence o f being and we have come back from th a t
in ta c t. W ith th e a b ility perhaps o f exp lain in g it or o f en circlin g it.
D escribin g it som ew hat. B u t re a lly ,... we know ,...w e know w h a t i t is
and th e re ’s re a lly nothing to ta lk about. The experience o f h avin g , o f
being in a state o f en lig h ten m en t re a lly doesn’t have vocabulary,
[em phatic] I t is, or i t is not.
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I: So m y specific question is th is. C an you k in d o f by unpacking and
looking a t and sh akin g out and th en refolding and re-p acking the
experience dam age it?
R : N o t w ith you. N o t w ith [someone who shares it]. B u t I feel very,
very protective o f it w ith people who I don’t know w ell. O r, you know,
you can know someone w e ll in 20 seconds! U m , b u t I w ould never,
uh, I would never display it in a, in a circum stance w here
I...P rotectiveness is p a rt o f it. U m , re v e re n tia l is p a rt o f it. I t
doesn’t , . . I don’t .. I re a lly don’t w a n t it to be subjected to norm al
discussion. O r n o rm al objective [scrutiny], “W ell , le t’s fin d o u t w h a t’s
wrong w ith th a t. I ’m gon n a argu e w ith that, [italics in dicate a
mocking tone] I ’m gonn a take a p a r t o f it a n d I ’m gon n a separate
th a t experience out. A n d I ’m gon n a ask you how in the w o rld you
could have th a t experience? H ow in the w o rld co u ld you have the
experience o f everyth in g is One?” You know? “T h a t’s som eth in g th a t
only people w ho are deeply d ep rived o f food a n d w a te r fo r 8 d a y s can
have. H ow can th a t happen to you?” I don’t w a n t to have to do th at!
[emphatic] I don’t w a n t to have to exp lain , I don’t know th e answers.
I can’t prove it. Perhaps, i t defies proof.
(N M , age 56)
perspective: M ise m ono j a nai. G ary S nyder tra n s la te d th is lite ra lly as:
"This is not for show." C o llo q u ially it m eans som ething lik e: "This is not
groups are publicly recognized and w ritte n about, and have been described
in C hapter Two. Tw o o f th e best know n are the M e rry P ran ksters and the
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League fo r S p iritu a l Discovery. Tw o p a rtic ip a n ts who had experienced
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h avin g a good experience. A n d g e ttin g high in the rig h t w ay. . . I th in k
th ere w as some crossover because w e w ere q u ite fond on th e T ib e ta n
Book o f th e Dead and in a lo t o f o ur e a rly acid experiences, we found
th e Book o f the D ead a g re a t com fort. . . I t w as one o f th e P ra n k s te r
m ottoes th a t was carved on th e g re a t round table a t L a H onda. A n d
th e m otto was "A n yth ing as lo ng as it's intense." . . .A nd speaking o f
th a t, one of the things th a t I fe lt th a t I learn ed was th a t I was b e tte r o ff
to ta k e a large dose and ju s t g et o u t th ere, th a n to get caught in some
place w here I was re a lly b u zzin g , p aranoid, and not re a lly q u ite
g e ttin g o ff and ju s t a lit tle b it confused and messed up! T h at's th e le a s t
a ttra c tiv e place I found m y s e lf on acid. A nd so I'v e know n a lo t o f
people who say " I'll ta k e 50 mics" and go to a concert. B u t, I, m yself, I
can't im agine it! T h a t w ould p u t m e a t th e le v e l of ju s t seeing th e b ad
games people play, and m ake m e e x trem ely uncom fortable and w is h I
w eren 't there. B u t, es sen tia lly i f I a te a lo t o f acid, it seemed to ju s t
blow a ll th a t aw ay.
I: How did you fig u re th a t out? B y doing, by try in g to ta k e a little ?
R: U m , I th in k it's o f m in o r im po rtance in m y trip p in g life cause m aybe
somebody said "W hy don't you ju s t ta k e a little? " A nd I did and I th in k
w h a t I found was ta k in g a larg e dose was th e sm art th in g to do. C ause
it seemed to get you in to o rb it, I guess. (O W , age
63)
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R : One piece o f fo lk lo re about psychedelics was th a t psychedelics are
teachers and i f you d o n't le a rn w h a t it teaches you and you ta k e it
ag ain , then it w ill teach you a little b it h a rd er! And i f you ta k e it again,
it 'll teach you a little b it h ard er, [laughs]
I: I have heard th a t! [laughs]
R : U n til, i f you to ta lly ignore w h a t it's try in g to teach you it w ill ju s t
m ake you nuts!
I: Do you th in k th a t w h a t you a ll w ere doing a t the F a rm had some
components o f th e ra p e u tic endeavor?
R ; A bsolutely! A bsolu tely.
I: C an you say som ething about that?
R : I th in k th a t our agreem ents on the F a rm were th a t th ere was
n o th in g th a t could n o t be spoken of. I t w as a psychic n u d ist colony and
w e fe lt we had been so perverted from o u r orig in al trib a l states as
hu m an beings th a t w ho kn ew w h a t was re a l anymore? A nd th a t the
on ly w ay to fin d out about it was to have an open m ind. A nd w eigh a ll
things. And be able to say w h a t was on one's m ind. T h a t was one o f the
agreem ents to liv e on th e F a rm . You could te ll the tru th , and say
w here it's a t. In th a t sense. T h a t was probably the biggest th erap eu tic
experim ent on a [laughs] larg e scale th a t I'v e seen in m y lifetim e!
I: Do you th in k psychedelics had a p a rt to play in that?
R : Absolutely! [em phatic] A bsolutely. I t w as a psychedelic church. A nd
th e th in g is about psychedelics, you can't lie to somebody on
psychedelics. B eing on acid, somebody trie s to lie to you on acid, th e ir
m outh would tu rn in to fangs w ith worm s coming out! [laughs]
discussion and dem ocratic resolution o f p rac tica l issues" (Thom pson &
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th e circle ju s t started expanding and people started ta lk in g about
h avin g a farm . A nd Steven was a t th e Z eitg eist o f the psychedelic
m ovem ent in th a t place, a t th a t tim e, and was able to a rtic u la te re a l
clearly w h a t a lo t o f people had fe lt, and re a lly couldn't b rin g to focus
in th e ir own m inds. H e w ould be able to artic u la te d ifferen t models o f
relig io n , or magic or process. Because he knew about th a t k in d o f s tu ff
and was able to a rtic u la te it. I t was a Psychedelic Church. A nd the
s p iritu a l ideas w ere, i t was lik e when he said th em , they w ould rin g
tru e because they w ere tru e! [em phatic] And he ta u g h t me th a t you
can le a rn when som ething rings tru e, you can te ll. And he was a good
teacher. I w ouldn't have trad ed the experiences fo r an yth in g in the
w orld.
p articip atio n in ceremonies anyone who does not have the required
quantum o f N a tiv e A m erican ancestry. T h ere are also several sects w ith in
the N A C , and th ere are some sectarian disagreem ents about exactly w h at
elem ents o f the ceremony distinguish 30 or more sub groups and trib a l
(S te w a rt, 1987).
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R : I have a frien d w ho is m a rrie d to th is Road M a n th a t’s fro m back
E ast, from a N a tiv e A m e rican C hurch fa m ily . B ig , you know , m ucky*
m ucks in th e official scene. A n d these other guys out here a re
renegades. I m ean, th ey h ave th e legal papers b u t th ey’re no t
pedigreed by th e N a tiv e A m erican C hurch. In o th er words th e y d id n ’t
get it passed on from someone down the lin e. You know? A nd so these
pedigreed guys are also o f Cross F ire tra d itio n . W hich is th e w ay th ey
do i t d iffe re n tly .
I: Could you say w h a t th a t is?
R : Th e Cross F ire is sp ecifically a C h ris tia n Peyote church. W h ere th ey
don’t use tobacco, th e y p ra y to th e H eaven ly F a th e r, th e H o ly S p irit,
and Jesus. I th in k th e tobacco is considered, uh, I ’m not sure exactly
w h y th ey don’t use it, b u t i t ’s from a pagan tra d itio n . O r O ld W ay, and
so th ey don’t use th a t. A n d , u h , [heavy sigh] I ’m n o t sure how th ey got
th ere. B u t, uh, [laughs] an yw ay, th a t’s, th a t’s th e difference. So one o f
th e things th ey w ere doing th ere was settin g up an o fficial N a tiv e
A m erican C hurch. So th a t th e y could have some k in d o f officialdom or
some say over th e o th e r people th a t are havin g Peyote m eetings th a t
aren ’t sanctioned by th e ir n a tio n a l council or w h atever, who w ere
supposedly doing things d iffe re n t th an th ey should do th em . B ein g loose
w ith th e tra d itio n s , or a lte rin g th e cerem ony or som ething. A n d so
th ere’s th is po litics, P eyote politics, or Red Road N a tiv e po litics
involved. There's a few W h ite people involved in how th ey’re doing it,
b u t it ’s also these o th er In d ia n s th a t th ey’re, th a t supposedly aren ’t
doing it th e "right" w ay, o r th e w ay [the officials] w a n t it. O r th ey're
not ta k in g care o f it lik e th e y th in k th ey should. I got caught in
betw een th e politics because I ’ve sat up [at Peyote M eetings] w ith some
o f these [renegade] people several years ago. A nd even i f th e y ’re doing
things d iffe re n t, th ey w eren ’t doing th a t w hen I was th ere. I have a
feelin g I got caught in th e cross fire ! [laughs]
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environm ent. B H ("'A re you on drugs?"') describes th e in stru ctio n s fo r
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R : U m hum. (yes) A n d ve ry secret. A nd th ere was certain ly a
stru ctu re. A nd th e stru c tu re w as ve ry a rtic u la te d . And the stru ctu re
included things lik e "You m ay not te ll anyone w here or w ith whom you
had this experience," "You m ay not do any physical harm or violence to
yourself or anybody else w hen you are under th e influence o f th is
substance," 'Y o u m ay not leave th e boundaries th a t we set for the
experience u n til we have declared th e experience is officially a t the
end," and some things lik e "D on't pee on th e fence!" [laughs]
I: [laughs] D on 't eat woodchips o r glass! [laughs]
R : I t leaves a mess! [laughs]
I: W h at [psychedelics] d id you take?
R : Som ething d iffe re n t alm ost every tim e. As m any people could
p articip ate as th ere w ere bed spaces for. W e w ould sleep on m ats on
th e floor. W e each had a p a ir o f stereo head phones. There was a helper
whose m ain jo b was to program th e m usic. T h a t was to keep it going
a ll night long. W e w ore eye shades. A ctu ally, in th e early days we
started out w ith e a r phones and eye shades, b u t w e were free to get up
and do w h atever w e w an ted . A n d w h a t we w ould do is we w ould come
th ere near suppertim e or a fte r on a F rid a y n ig h t. A nd then th ere w ere
some specific ritu a ls th a t w e d id , and then w e w ould, usually most o f us
w ould trip a ll n ig h t F rid a y n ig h t, and w e ll in to S aturday. A nd then
S atu rd ay evening th ere w ould be cham pagne. T h a t was the official
declared end o f the experience. T h e n th ere w ould be this big, elaborate
din n er and th en everybody w ould sleep S atu rd ay n ig h t and get up
Sunday m orning. Spend th e w hole day Sunday m orning, one by one,
going around in th e circle ta lk in g about w h a t happened.
I: T h e ir experiences?
R : Yes. Now , th is w as a w o n d erfu l w ay to re a lly le a rn a lo t about
psychedelic drugs. Because fo r one th in g , it w as a trem endous
environm ent in w hich to experience a lo t o f d iffe re n t drugs, in a fa irly
safe setting.
I: P ersonally, b u t also by observing?
R : That's rig h t. Because we a ll kn ew one another, a fte r you'd be doing
th is for years, you'd k in d o f know . Th ere w ere m aybe 200 or 300 people
in the group, o f whom 15 or 20 w ould be in an y one session. So, often
tim es there w ould be people th e re th a t you trip p ed w ith before. And
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you k in d o f got to know w here people w ere a t, and who th ey w ere. So
you could see both th e effect o f th e drug, and the effect o f people's
personalities. So, it became possible to sort out th e w ay th a t d iffe re n t
drugs w orked on d ifferen t people, about d iffe re n t things.
I: I t sounds as though the set and setting questions got fo rm a lly
addressed? A nd it sounds as though th is re a lly created a safe, b u t yet,
"no constraints" kin d o f environm ent for th is experience?
R : Yes. E specially a t firs t, it re a lly was no constraints. I t was q u ite
safe and a t th e same tim e quite free.
research subject questioned the stru ctu re and th e settin g used by an oth er
environm ents, guidelines and rules for the use o f psychedelics, and a ll o f
them are d istin ctiv ely d ifferen t. In some ways th is proceeds from
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I: W h a t do you th in k is im p o rta n t to study about psychedelics?
R : W h a t’s im p o rta n t to study? [heavy sigh] I guess to be clear about
your in ten tio n s. In any endeavor w ith psychedelics. And to have a safe
set and setting.
I: U m , th a t’s in terestin g , you kn ow , 'cause th a t’s a d ifferen t a rea o f
study from th e one th a t I was as kin g about.
One o f th e respondents, X F (" I have re a lly gone over the edge here!"),
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and how N a tiv e A m ericans and people around the w o rld whose
cu ltu res have been doing these things fo r a re a lly long tim e , w hen th ey
go in to th e ir p ra y e r places, th ey're going to change th e w orld! They're
going to have re a l effect. A n d th ey ta ke it extrem ely seriously! A nd it's
w ith a lo t o f h e a rt. A nd dread. You realize how pow erful i t is, and th a t
you could mess th in g s up i f you're not careful!
(X F , age 53)
W ith o u t adequate m aps and guides we m ay not be c u ltu ra lly or s p iritu a lly
S u m m a ry
re s tru c tu rin g , and exam ines a core them e found in alm ost every in te rv ie w ,
su b sid iary them es, disclosure o f psychedelic experiences and social w orlds
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Chapter 6: T rustw orthiness and Q uality o f the Study
about ontology and epistem ology, it is not useful to apply the c rite ria used
lab o rato ry 50 years ago, today, o r 100 years from now (p .309).
R ath er th a n th e m ore positivistic c rite ria o f re lia b ility , v a lid ity and
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em ployed in q u a lita tiv e research in general and constructivist research in
A u d ita b ility
p o ten tia l source o f inconsistency has been the change in design and
change has been elu cid ated in C hapter Th ree. In addition, the in te rv ie w
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in te rp re ta tio n s o f new in te rv ie w d ata. These changes are docum ented in
n a rra tiv e s .
and comm ents from th e in te rv ie w e r, who should seek p rim a rily to follow up
presented in d e tail.
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agreed upon. T h is c rite rio n presents some d iffic u ltie s w ith the basic
been enum erated (G u b a , 1981; G uba & Lincoln, 1989; Guba & Lincoln,
(M orse, 1989), others disagree. A lth oug h com plete psychedelic c u ltu ra l
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m ade use o f m y status as a complete m em ber o f th e group under study,
achieved d u rin g a life lived in prolon ged engagem ent w ith th e phenomenon
the research and w ritin g have taken a fu rth e r th ree years, d u rin g w hich I
dim inished d u rin g the course o f the study, as I have become increasingly
academic in terest, w h ile p o te n tia lly stigm atizing, leg itim ates m y in terest
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speaking. I have m oved from concern th a t m y co u n ter-cu ltu ral id e n tity
m em ber has had one or m ore h isto ric psychedelic experiences. C om m unity
reported here w ere com pleted, sixteen com m unity members m et w ith m e to
groups had p referred and ta u g h t some o f the p a rtic u la r p atte rn s o f set and
in terview s.
The com m ents m ade by group m em bers about issues o f secrecy and
flippant:
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I asked i f th ere w as anybody th a t people w ere keeping th e ir
psychedelic experiences secret fro m , or h id in g th em from , and several
people said the cops or th e police. O ne person said th e [S tate o f
C a lifo rn ia ]. A nother person said 2 o f h e r grandchildren, because h e r
d a u g h te r had a preference th a t she do th a t; b u t th a t w hen those
ch ild ren got old enough to ask h e r she w ould te ll th em th e tru th . O ne
person said th a t his psychedelic experiences w ere som ewhere betw een
secret and broadcast to th e w o rld . A n o th er person claim ed th a t he
h a d n ’t p u t down the fact th a t he had psychedelic experiences on th e
fo rm th a t he fille d out looking to re n t a house.
(F ield Notes, 10/10 /99)
discussions about it, and th a t it could become a source o f conflict over basic
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O pportunities for p e e r debriefin g d u rin g th is study have been
tran scrip ts have been review ed, and advice and in sig h t on coding them es
and n a rra tiv e plots has been offered by several fa cu lty m em bers w ith
o f th e social w orlds discussed in the n a rra tiv e s , and have read tran scrip ts
in s titu tio n s have helped c la rify th e h isto ric al background and tim in g o f
research archives.
m iddle-aged and older has been in progress elsew here. T ran scrip ts o f
tra n s c rip ts , I have accum ulated extensive files o f published contem porary
and h isto ric discourses about psychedelic drug use, and have cross
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m ethodology (G uba, 1981; G uba & L inco ln, 1989; Guba & Lin co ln , 1994;
Lincoln & G uba, 1985) th a t has not been applied here. In keeping w ith th e
and circum stances, it seems m ore ap propriate sim ply to acknow ledge th e
id en tifyin g the range o f variation is th e in terp retatio n o f the only one o f the
respondents' interview s th a t did not discuss the core them e o f in te r-
content are presented in C hap ter F ive. A lthough th is respondent does not
T ra n s fe ra b ility
m ust determ ine the s im ila rity o f th e sending and the receiving contexts. In
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order fo r th e degree o f s im ila rity or "fittingness" to be assessed, the
(E rlandson, H a rris , S kip per & A lle n , 1993). In th is study I have attem pted
developed here, w h ile o m ittin g or a lte rin g personal and co ntextu al details
a t least some college background, and h a lf hold g rad u ate degrees. This
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ap plying the un derstandings achieved under th e ir influence -- a s im ila r
as "in te lle c tu a lly d u ll, poorly educated and c u ltu ra lly deprived" (K u rla n d ,
U n g er, S h affer & Savage, 1967, p. 1208). These researchers did not
accom plished b y th e system atic collection o f a docum entary "audit tra il."
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occurred d u rin g the research process. Docum ented and displayed as it
unfolded.
The c rite ria fo r trustw orth iness em ployed to assess c o n stru ctiv ist
"auth enticity," depends upon how fa ith fu l it is to the basic assum ptions o f
beyond G uba and Lincoln's a u th e n tic ity c rite ria , th e six dim ensions of
in te rp re ta tio n ." A lthough th e ir specific com m itm ent is to fem in ism , the
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Q u a lity
n a rra tiv e m andates th a t th e c rite ria for ju d g in g n a rra tiv e in q u iry include
has guided th is study, an im p o rta n t evalu ative c rite rio n fo r research using
dim ensions o f relevance, app ro p ria ten ess o f the m ethodological approach,
engagem ent, con textu ality, presen ta tio n , and eth ic s in evalu atin g th e
q u a lity o f a n a rra tiv e in te rp re ta tio n (DeJoseph & M essias, 1996, p. 14)
R elevance
ille g a l drug use and dru g users freq uen tly display a fundam ental bias
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revealed , in clu d in g those evaluated as both beneficial a n d d e trim e n ta l by
E ngagem ent
levels th a t are deep, specific, and contain expressions o f th e ir com fort and
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a fu ll p a rticip an t in th e social w orld o f study respondents. A related
particip ants' w illin g n ess to reveal m arg in alized aspects o f them selves in
scru tin y of his or h e r m otives and p rio r assum ptions, and by observation of
in terp reta tio n s and understandings are described th ro ugh ou t the research
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changes in self-id en tities and w orld view s are as y e t re la tiv e ly unexplored.
developed.
efforts to review and analyze the h isto rical social and p o litic a l context o f
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been m ore successful th a n m y a tte m p ts a t contextualizing th e ir
co ntextu alization has been m y a tte m p t a t situ a tin g m yself w ith in m y own
read er m ig h t assess the body o f know ledge and experience th a t has form ed
P resen tation
The presentation o f p a rtic ip a n ts ' lan gu age has also been som ething
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been noted in tran scrip tio n an d re ta in e d in presentatio n, I have edited th e
long pauses, and "difficulties o f expression" such as 'urn,' 'er* and 'you
n a rra tiv e s .
com pletely u n in terp reted . E ven an incom plete a rtic u la tio n o f respondents
in to common discourse.
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Th e in terp reta tio n s I have provided in th is paper represent a
attem pts to nam e, lab el and describe uncom m on experiences and events
w ith cu rren t pharm acologic usage (Jaffe, 1990), and free o f some
form o f iron y used to reflect and offset excesses w hen labels are used th a t
enough of the particip an ts' own stories to allo w the read er to assess th e ir
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N a rra tiv e in terp retatio n s display the characteristic o f p la u s ib ility
v a rie ty o f social w orlds and contexts o f psychedelic d rug use are presented
Ethics
consent to p a rticip ate , and w ere fu lly inform ed o f possible risks involved in
disclosing ac tivities th a t often are socially stigm atized and, in m any cases,
illeg al.
Assessment o f th e Study
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in terview s developed as p a rtic u la r in teractio n s betw een in d iv id u a l
assessm ent o f trustw orth iness and q u a lity in n a tu ra lis tic studies to
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Chapter 7: D iscu ssion
In tro d u ctio n
contem porary W estern cu ltu re , the psychedelic drugs have been construed
tran sfo rm atio n , enhance c re a tiv ity , foster social chaos and m o ral
not e n tire ly a p riv a te m a tte r. The circum stances and surroundings o f the
com bine as drug, set, settin g and m a trix to in fluence and perhaps
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O rganization of th e dissertation.
the topic o f psychedelic drug use, and presents a b rie f synopsis o f some o f
the social com m entary and m edia coverage rela te d to psychedelic drugs in
outlines some histo ric and contem porary perspectives on psychedelic drug
drug use.
The th ird chapter explores the general topic o f n a rra tiv e research
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C h ap ter Six addresses issues o f trustw orth iness and q u a lity as
protocol, the inform ation docum ent used to obtain verbal consent to
Conclusions
historic users have developed ab ou t the use o f psychedelic drugs, and the
subsequent lives.
predictable and c u ltu ra lly coherent life script, in te rru p tio n b y events and
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insights associated w ith th e psychedelic experience, and re s tru c tu rin g o f
th e in d ivid u al's life to encompass new goals, beliefs and values shaped by
has m uch in common w ith descriptions o f s p iritu a l tran sfo rm atio n s, states
restru ctu red th e ir lives in ways th ey found m ore personally and socially
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m ean in g fu l. F o r some respondents in th is study, in terru p tio n s occasioned
trajecto ries to conform m ore closely to a lte rn a te values, beliefs and goals
ideals an d values.
T h e cru cial factors o f drug, set, s e ttin g and m a trix varied w id ely for
some o f w hich are b rie fly described here as elem ents o f setand setting in
w hich th e user was liv in g a t the tim e o f his or h er experience, and the
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discussed in th is study, although they are a rich areas fo r exploration and
p a rtic u la rly s a lie n t in these historic users contem porary lives, or a desire
m isunderstanding.
exam ine th e contrast betw een an interconnected w orld th ey had glim psed
and a com partm entalized and in d ivid u alistic one in w hich th ey w ere livin g .
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F o r p a rtic ip a n ts w ho in te rru p te d and re s tru c tu re d th e ir lives,
valued rew ards, and allegiance to deeply convincing personal vision. Itz ik
W e have b u ilt our colossal civ iliza tio n on th e prem ise o f th e re a lity of
1971, p. 190-91)
them have h is to ric a lly looked w ith disfavor on those who engaged in
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arrang em ents an d excursions into th e realm s o f in s a n ity is som ewhat m ore
understandable in th is lig h t.
m any years a fte r th e ir e a rly exposures m ay also have alw ays held those
experiences to be m ore m em orable and in flu e n tia l th a n those who did not
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psychedelics today. W h eth er cu rre n t users or n o t, m an y p articip an ts s till
bell tolls for thee'") described h e r sense o f anger an d fru s tra tio n a t
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Perceptions from th e ir psychedelic experiences led them to p a rtia lly or
com pletely reject th e life trajectories along w hich th ey had previously been
th e most p a rt, these in divid uals describe them selves as q u ite satisfied w ith
choices.
m ature ad u lts, these tw o in divid uals both express them selves as quite
D ropping out.
out by a lte rin g th e ir life trajectories w ith d rew from society or to refused to
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O ne o f the defining experiences") claim ed th a t she had developed a sense o f
term s to grow up, straig h ten o u t yo u r life , and do som ething useful in the
careers in public service, or to a stro nger sense o f com m itm ent to fa m ily
D N ("W ith the fire and th e S p irit" ), described his experiences as fo sterin g
Im plicatio ns
Theoretical im plications
N ih ilatio n
acknow ledging deficiency, d e cla rin g illn ess, or su b m ittin g to rem ed iatio n .
illn ess req u irin g th erapy, a d iffe re n t process, w hich B erg er an d L u ckm an
(1 966 ) have called "n ih ila tio n ," operates to keep dom inant c u ltu ra l
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n a rra tiv e s and th e ir a tte n d a n t d e fin itio n s o f social re a lity in place. In th e
(p. 115).
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acceptable c u ltu ra l stories: thus a person experiencing a sense o f cosmic
m ost drastic, by the physical liq u id atio n o f th e te lle rs (B erger & Luckm an,
1966).
s tig m a tiza tio n , separates ru le breakers fro m one another and from
country, 1 in 147 Am ericans (Los Angeles Tim es, 2000). W h ile only a ve ry
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drug offenses o f some kin d (availab le at:
seized from p u rp o rted drug crim inals u n d er fo rfe itu re law s, altho ugh up to
some kin d o f some k in d o f drug te s tin g program , and urin e screening was a
prescription drugs, and 150, 000 from th e effects o f alcohol, a leg al product
for adults. C ig a re tte sm oking casued 450,000 deaths la s t year, w h ile few ,
two o f th e m ost feared and reprehended ille g a l drugs, heroin and cocaine,
was about 5,000 (M ille r, 2000). "G et tough" p o litic a l posturing about ille g a l
T h e ra p e u tic practice.
p re d ic ta b ility achievable for m ost ph arm aceu ticals. They have been
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Cohen (1 9 8 5 ) described psychedelic drugs as "an experience in search o f an
ones to recognize th e th erap eu tic p o ten tial o f psychedelic drugs, how ever.
indigenous th erap eu tic uses o f psychedelic has been very lim ite d .
In vestig atio n s th a t system atically and sim ultan eou sly assess th e bo tan y,
long overdue.
effects such as g rea ter em otional w arm th , increased c re a tiv ity , im proved
effects.
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th a t consider phenom enological rep o rts and subjective experiences, and
accessible to b e h av io ral and s ta tis tic a l m easurem ent, and suggest new
som atic consequences have not m a te ria lize d , and adverse psychological
effects have h is to ric a lly occurred a t an acceptable level o f ris k in carefu lly
drug, set and se ttin g , and th a t exam ine the expectations and practices of
specific social w orlds and m atrices m ay indicate ways in w hich drug, set,
th e ra p y .
S p iritu a l p ractice.
been used fo r centu ries to provide a relia b le vehicle for access to m ystical
s p iritu a l grow th and d ire c t com m union w ith d iv in ity despite sig n ifican t
obstacles to such use. T h irty five years ago, F D A ch ief Jam es G oddard
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to relig io -m ystical states o f oneness w ith th e D iv in e by declaring in a
1966).
Em ploym ent D ivis io n o f Oregon vs. S m ith (494 U .S . 872) th a t the use of
Peyote by N a tiv e A m erican people was not co n stitu tio n ally protected. A
psychedelic sacram ents and the use o f psychedelic drugs to foster m ystical
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religious significance and acceptably safe uses as fa c ilita to rs o f s p iritu a l
p ractice.
E d u catio n a l practice.
W h ile clin ica l research using psychedelics has been c u rta ile d , it has
the neurochem istry o f serotonin, fo r exam ple, a re said to have firs t become
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grow ing n e tw o rk o f u n au th o rized researchers exp lo rin g th e cu ltivatio n ,
extractio n and r itu a l use o f psychedelic plants and drugs, w ith m any
R e p o rte r.
th erap eu tic context has been alm ost com pletely obscured by m edia
recen tly been approved in S pain, and tw o o th er studies are in the protocol
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uncertainties th a t constrain clinical studies o f drug effects. F o r exam ple,
participants in some cru cial and in flu e n tia l historic research. R ev isitin g
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th ey cam e to the understandings and assessments o f th e ir own experiences
op p o rtu nity for the developm ent o f collective stories, as p articip ants m ay
the use o f psychedelic drugs should address social m atrices and c u ltu ra l
assum ptions th a t have provided a "set and setting" for cu rren t societal
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Social im plications
hig h , a goal th a t provokes less sym p ath y and m ore social repression th an
ethics, s p iritu a l beliefs and d a ily practices had been form ed by insights
others, and m any described how these experiences had led th e m to engage
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in p o litic al activism , ta k e up p h ilan th ro p y, u n d e rta ke ecological
com m unity and the n a tu ra l en viron m ent. T h e ir n a rra tiv e s present the
perspectives of psychedelic drug users w ho are c u ltu ra lly and p o litic a lly
v ita l, and whose psychedelic experiences have had life lo n g im plications not
C orzine, 1981).
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im agine th a t th ey can despoil the n a tu ra l environm ent and loot the fu tu re
achieve im p o rta n t and in flu e n tia l visions "w ill have to stand up and be
b rin g som ething back to show w here th e y had been, as a g ift to the
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Footnotes
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A ppendix 1: A pproved P rotocol
1. S T U D Y A IM , B A C K G R O U N D A N D D E S IG N : S tu d y A im : The
w ith th e ir econom ic, physical or social fu n ctio n in g , and whose d rug use
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histo ry is unseen in th e ir present liv es. I t is th is sizable, in v is ib le
to ob tain d a ta .
w ill be E n g lish -sp eakin g and capable o f g ivin g consent. Access to p o te n tia l
subjects w ill be o b tain ed by snow ball sam p ling , begin nin g from
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preferences, p a tte rn s and problem s re la te d to d ru g use w ill be assessed in -
depth.
research records w ill be stored w ith subject num bers o n ly. N o subject
research er p rio r to tra n s c rip tio n . Tapes w ill be erased p ro m p tly fo llo w in g
im p lem en tatio n o f p reven tio n , h a rm redu ctio n and b e n e fit m a x im iza tio n
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6 . C O N S E N T P R O C E S S A N D D O C U M E N T A T IO N : E ach subject w ill
given v e rb a lly . P a rtic ip a n ts w ill a d d itio n a lly be asked to read p rin te d form
G ro f, M D .
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A ppendix 2: Inform ation S h eet
U N IV E R S IT Y O F C A L IF O R N IA
IN F O R M A T IO N S H E E T
B . PRO CEDURES
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C . R IS K S /D IS C O M F O R T S
D . B E N E F IT S
E. C O S TS
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T h e re w ill be no costs to m e as a re s u lt o f ta k in g p a rt in th is study.
F. P A YM EN T
G . Q U E S T IO N S
H . CO NSENT
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A p p en d ix 3: In te rv ie w
Interview Face sheet
initials
date
place and time
age
gender
occupation
education
parents/ethnicity/birth order
children
geographic location
personal interests
others present
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W h at do you th in k is im p o rta n t to study about psychedelics? Is th a t th e
health?
alcohol)
yourself? o f others?
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To w h a t e x te n t did psychedelic d ru g use im p act yo u r values and yo u r
goals?
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Should th ere b e leg a l con texts for p sych ed elic experien ces?
psychedelics?
H ow d o you decide?
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Probe if there is an opening:
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A ppendix 4: P erson al Issues
V alues o f th e In q u ire r
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day-glo bodies bouncing on tram p o lin es, th e m usic o f T h e G ra te fu l
fem ale C ath o lic adolescents, I had a ro m an ticized view o f th e relig io u s life
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h ad a lre a d y p a rtic ip a te d in several C iv il R igh ts dem onstrations, once
no t e x p e rie n tia lly , prep ared to recognize. Som ething about th e psychedelic
S acram en t to th is day.
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re a lity th a t w as th e edgy creatio n o f m y y o u th fu l peers, and w h ich w as
M illb ro o k
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and youngest people to p a rtic ip a te in th e co m m un ity life o f th e C a s ta lia
experim en ters th ere w ere evicted . W e ap p ear b rie fly and anonym ously in
A rt K leps’ book M illb ro o k (K leps, 1975).
th eo rists and obvious lu n atics. P olice ra id s co n ven ien tly d id n ’t occur w hen
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th a t T im h ad s ta rte d w ith R ichard A lp e rt a fte r le a v in g H a rv a rd , and h ad
th e needs th e trip p e rs .
E salen
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and th e n e xt fiv e years I w orked fo r th e m , (an d a fte r th e ir divorce, fo r
in tra u te rin e life . B P M H & I I I have concrete and re a lis tic featu res re la te d
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w hich one moves beyond th e “skin covered ego” and in to th e realm s o f
“s p iritu a l lib e ra tio n and en ligh ten m ent, a sense o f ecstatic connection w ith
M id w ife ry
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an o ffic e r o f th e C orporation. I have been a m em ber o f th e E xecutive B oard
fo r th e p ast te n years.
H og F a rm .
P ra ctic e fo r P ra x is
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an in te rp re tiv e , c o n s tru c tiv is t, postm odern o r c ritic a l scholarship
exterio rize d w ith in m y ow n d iscip lin e (Thom pson, 1987). Science, even
d iffe rin g dem ands o f th e co nventional and co n stru ctiv ist paradigm s are
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m easures" (W . L . H o lze m e r, personal com m unication, J a n u a ry 3 , 1995),
rep resen tatio n bore little resem blance to th e flu id and som etim es chaotic
“fo und ation” upon w hich I w ished to “b u ild ” m y study, and excused m yself
. . . [E] m pow erm ent involves a process o f being subm erged in re a lity ,
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order to contribute to a g re a te r u n derstand ing o f th e m in d , lead in g to th e
could be so. “W h ite m ales,” she argues, “are tra in e d fo r and associated
its goals o f m easurem ent and control, w h ich in clud e n o t only experim en tal
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m em bers o f H e fite r's B oard and S c ie n tific A dvisory P a n e l, 28 a re w h ite
m ales, and on ly fiv e could be described as q u a lita tiv e research ers. D espite
w om en who have achieved o r who show prom ise o f ac h ie vin g d is tin c tio n in
Psychedelic m id w ife ry
b u t o f th e hum an fa m ily .
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th e stu d y o f psychedelic tra n s fo rm a tio n s is an ap p ro p ria te and a rc h e ty p a l
m ore th a n fifty years ago, th e subject o f th e ir use and abuse has been
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