looking for its second wind. I think it was badly damaged,
you might say left for dead in 2003, when Bush and Blair decided to go to war. Not only despite Security Council vetoes, but actually the absence of a majority in the Security Council. That's sort of left it irrelevant, weakened, its credibility weakened, reduced in scope. But now we have a new Secretary General coming in. It's a more promising period. We have new leaders in most of the P5 countries. And the hope is that the UN can restore some robust role in the world. >> If you look at the UN charter, it will gives you issue of I mean peace and security plays a very big role in what the UN was funded for. Also development and human rights. Now, this was more than 70 years ago but they are still very relevant today. Issues of peace and security are still very relevant. Development is a very big issue. Human right's a very big issue. Previously, these three aspects used to be looked at individualistically. But now you find out that they're so much interwoven, I mean in our world. >> But the United Nations is a body which brings together 193 nation states. It's also a potential structure for reconciliation and force for good for intervention potentially when there are international or regional problems. The United Nations also serves as a venue and a political arena, a place where diplomacy's conducted, where policy is conducted. >> I do think that despite its many ups and downs, and periods of apparent irrelevance as global conflicts between big powers has sidelined it. It has retained an indispensability for many groups of countries, particularly smaller and newer ones who look at it as crucial to their own legitimacy. But above all, look at it as a place you can take, either problems of security or longer run global problems of climate change and development, which can't be any more sorted on a bilateral basis. And so that indispensability of having a multilateral forum which can serve all these purposes and provides that sort of universal forum for all is, I suspect with us for keeps, even if it's status and authority will widely fluctuate depending on the state of broader international relations. >> Well, it's the only multilateral organization we have. So if we didn't work with the United Nations, we wouldn't have many other options. It represents most of the world, if not all the world. There are some imperfections with the Security Council and its lack of representivity. But otherwise, the United Nation's a universal, international organization and there are many programs in the UN and specialized agencies that are truly multilateral. So although there are many challenges and difficulties, we have to make it succeed because we have no other choice. [MUSIC]