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Recapitulate
• We worked out Velocity
Transformation.
• We discussed examples of
relative velocity and those
involving transformations
between three frames of
references.
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Velocity Transformation
Equations
ux  v
ux 
vux
1 2
c
uy uz
uy  ; uz 
 vux   vux 
 1  2   1  2 
 c   c 
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Inverse Velocity Transformation
Equations
ux  v
ux 
vux
1 2
c
uy uz
uy  ; uz 
 vux   vux 
 1  2   1  2 
 c   c 

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Example 1
A person gets sick while
moving in a train, the speed of
which is 0.6 c in the positive x
direction (Call this frame P).
He shines light asking for help
when he is 30 km away from
the origin in + x direction.

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A hospital is located at the origin
(Called the H frame). As soon as
the light reaches the hospital, an
ambulance (called A frame) is
found in front, which is moving
in positive x direction with a
speed of 0.8 c.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
The person in the hospital
instructs the ambulance to go
and help the sick man.
Assume no time delay
between receiving the signal
and giving the instruction and
no slowing down of car and
the train.
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
1.What are the positions and times
of the person sending the signal
in H and A frames?

2.Find the position of the person in


the H frame at t=0 and in A
frame at t’=0.

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3.Find the time in H frame and A
frames when the ambulance
reaches the person.

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30 km
H
P

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Identify Events
E1: Sick Person sending the
distress signal.
E2: Hospital receiving the
signal.
E3: Ambulance reaching the
sick person.
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
H Frame
E1: x1=3X104 m, t1=?

Assume signal is received at


hospital time equal to 0.

3  104 4
t1    1  10 s
c
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E2: x2=0, t2=0

Given that hospital is at the origin.

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E3: (? , ?)

The position of the person at t=0


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4 3  10 4
3  10   0.6c  4.8  10 m
c

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30 km
H

t=t1 t=0 t=t3

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If t3 is the time when
ambulance reaches the sick
person
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4.8  10  0.6c  t3  0.8c  t3
4
4.8  10
t3   8  104 s
0.2c

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Co-ordinate of the person at E3.

4 4
x3  0.8c  8  10  19.2  10 m

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Events Table in H

E1: 3  10 m, -1  10
4 4
s 
E2: 0, 0 


E3: 19.2  104 m, 8  104 s 
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
A Frame
Make the frame H and A satisfy the
criteria to use Lorentz
transformation directly?
1 5
  2

1  0.8  3

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
E1:
5
x1 
3
 4
3  10  0.8c  10 4

4
 9  10 m
5  0.8c  3  10 
4
t1   1  10 
4
2 
3 c 
4
 3  10 s
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E2: x’2=0, t’2=0

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E3:
5

x3  19.2  104  0.8c  8  104
3

0
5  0.8c  19.2  10 
4
t3   8  10 
4
2 
3 c 
 4.8  104 s
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
t’=0 t’=t’1
t’=t’3

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
We could have found out co-
ordinates of E3, without using
transformation also.
The x has to be zero because
it occurs at the origin of A
frame.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
We can use time dilation for time
part. (t’3-t’2) being proper time
interval between E2 and E3.
t3  t2

t3  t2
8  104  0
t3  0   4.8  10 4
s

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Events Table in A

E1: 9  10 m, -3  10
4 4
s 
E2: 0, 0 


E3: 0, 4.8  10
4
s 
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Are all questions
answered?

What are the positions and times of


the person sending the signal in H
and A frames?
E1

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Find the position of the person in
the H frame at t=0 and in A frame
at t’=0.
48 km and ?

Find the time in H frame and A


frames when the car reaches the
person.
E3
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
According to A, E1 occurred when
the person was 90 km away and at
time t’= -3x10-4 s. A reached origin
at t’=0. During this time the person
was travelling with a relative speed
u’x.

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0.6c  0.8c 0.2c
ux  
1  0.6  0.8 0.52
The distance travelled by person in
A frame in 3x10-4 s is
0.2c 4 4
 3  10  3.46  10 m
0.52

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
The distance of person in A frame
at t’=0 is

9  104  3.46  104  5.54  104 m

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t’=0 t’=t’1
t’=t’3
90 km

55.4 km
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
If we have to find absolute time in
P frame, watches have to be re-
synchronized. This can become
cumbersome. However, we can use
differential form.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Suppose the problem also asks us
to find out the time the ambulance
took to reach P in P’s frame after
sending the distress signal.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
We realize that E1 and E3 took
place at same value of xP in P’s
frame. Hence this time interval is
dilated in H and A frames.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
t3  t1
  PH
t3  t1
4
9  10
t3  t1   7.2  10 4
s
1.25

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
Just to confirm we can find the
time interval in A frame using this
proper time interval between E3
and E1 in P frame.

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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
t3  t1
  PA
t3  t1
1 13
 PA  
 0.2 
2 12
1 
 0.52 
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t3  t1  7.2  10 
4 4
 7.8  10 s
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Prof. Shiva Prasad, Department of Physics, IIT Bombay
This matches with what we had
evaluated using Lorentz
transformation.

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Summary

• Discussed one example


involving multiple events.

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