Keeping "Utility" Knives Concealed

Are you prepared for a fight TO THE BLOODY DEATH?

A look at issues regarding the concealed carry of knives as defensive instruments.

Avoiding nasty surprises. Is your knife legal? Are there more effective choices?

One great commonality amongst carriers of concealed firearms is also the

carrying of a knife of some sort as backup, for a defense of last resort. And
sometimes, all you can carry is a knife.

from www.survival-mindset.com

HAVE A BACK UP PLAN. CARRY A GOOD QUALITY TACTICAL

KNIFE TO COMPLIMENT YOUR PISTOL AND TO PROVIDE YOU
WITH ANOTHER OPTION IF THE PISTOL FAILS.
Ah, if only it were that simple...

Introductory Section

I know the basics, "JUMP AHEAD".

Take me to the "ADVANCED SECTION".

(While I suspect many fellow defensive knife carriers know some of this, my
guess is they do not know all of it. And, hey, you new guys, listen up... No
jumping ahead.)
The same statutes that prohibit you from carrying an unlicensed gun in public
often prohibit you from carrying certain knives. In many places, the law does
not allow you to carry a knife for the purpose of defense (or offense), but you
can carry one for "utility" purposes (i.e., things other than stabbing,
wounding or even killing an assailant). Statutory definitions of "utility"
versus "defense" or "survival" may not exist in your area. Keep in mind that
identifying a deadly weapon at the scene of an incident or a routine traffic
stop falls under the broad discretionary powers which police officers have.
And, if you are carrying a defensive knive, keep in mind Robert Heinlein's
long ago observation that, "An armed society is a polite society."

The blade length for "utility" knives is often set at a max of 3 inches. (In
some places, this length may be less, as little as 2 inches or more, sometimes
 as much as 4 inches.) In many areas, it is permissible to carry a
"hunting knife" on your person in public. But... what, exactly, is a
hunting knife? Or a "utility" knife? (They are seldom defined in
relevant statutes.)

Okay, so you have a permit to carry a concealed handgun, your (defensive or

"survival") knife is okay, right? Not so fast, blade breath... The law varies
from place to place and can be unclear and confusing as well.

In Kentucky, for example,

Q: What weapons are covered under the CCDW permit?
A: Any weapon from which a shot, readily capable of producing death or
serious physical injury, may be discharged. Any knife other than an ordinary
pocket knife or hunting knife. A "billy," nightstick, or club. A blackjack or
slapjack. Nunchaku karate sticks. Shirikena or "death stars." Artificial
knuckles made from plastic, or other similar hard material.

But in North Carolina,

Q: Does a Concealed Handgun Permit allow the carry of any other weapon,
such as a knife, concealed? Is there a permit available that will allow me to
carry a concealed weapon other than a handgun?
A: No. The Concealed Handgun Law was written specifically to permit the
carrying of concealed handguns. Carrying of other concealed weapons in
North Carolina is illegal, and there is no permit available for other weapon
types.

Bernard Levine, writer and renowned expert witness in cases involving

knives has this comment: [emphasis added]
"State laws are the most important knife laws, but they are certainly not the
only knife laws. Some state legislatures have pre-empted weapons law (i.e.,
claimed a monopoly on making this type of law), but most have not. In states
which have not pre-empted [the laws], individual counties, cities, and towns
[may] have their own knife or other weapons ordinances, and many of them
do.

"Even in states which have pre-empted weapons laws, big cities sometimes
pass and enforce knife laws anyway. (Portland, Oregon, in an attempt to ban
pocket knives, was a recent example; the ban survived three levels of appeal,
until being overturned by the State Supreme Court). These unconstitutional
ordinances place the burden of defense and appeal on the unlucky
citizens who happen to get charged."

So... Your concealed carry handgun permit may not cover non-utility or
defensive knives. To be safe, to be legal, check with local law enforcement
for a reasonably authoritative answer. Reasonably authoritative? In many
areas this is a matter of confusion and one which only the courts can truly
decide. (We want to avoid going that far and paying an attorney for help and
guidance through this minefield, though.)
In choosing a defensive knife or survival weapon, multiple functionality
beyond inflicting wounds or death should be given serious consideration.
Calling an edged instrument with utilitarian functions (other than stabbing or
cutting flesh) a deadly weapon is then not so "cut and dried," do to speak.
This would pretty much rule out sword canes, for example.
Local attorneys may be misinformed or confused as well. You, see, the 2nd
amendment is not typically interpreted as your having a constitutional
guarantee that you can legally carry a defensive knife. And even after you
know how such hardware is regarded by the police, you might still chose to
carry a defensive knife anyway. Just remember it may not be legal. And
whether or not you could face charges if arrested with one in your possession
will most probably be affected by the situation when the matter comes up and
how polite and respectful you are to whoever is asking you about said deadly
weapon.
[Mr. Levine again...] "The meaning of most of these state laws is ambiguous,
their terms either poorly defined, or not defined at all. In large part this
vagueness was intentional, for it gave wide discretion to local police and
judges. These laws' practical day-to-day meaning can only be understood
from a study of relevant appellate decisions..."
SPECIAL LINKS:
California Knife Laws or General Information on State Laws
However well or badly written local laws are, and while police encounters
may focus on intent, avoid true switchblades, dagger and dirks. Do this even
if you believe you can get by with, "My intent, officer, was self-defense."

Some knives have been traditionally defined as "too dangerous" or as

"patently illegal."

A few terms

Clip point/drop point - These are the

two most common types of points with
the drop point dating back to the Vikings (or earlier).

Tanto point - A style from the Far East. See below.

Blunt point - found on knives used by divers, EMTs, firemen who

have a need for prying rather than stabbing. Some knives carried by
police officers and EMTs are used to cut seatbelts and clothes from
accident victims and require a blunt point to prevent injury.

Extreme knives, Sporting knives, Tactical knives - marketing terms

used to add texture and contrast to knife advertising to make it seem
new products are hunting and pocket knives on steroids.

Gear knives - something beyond the Swiss Army style, consisting of

one cutting blade and one or more other multi-function blades (e.g.,
saws, gut hooks, marlin spikes. Fancier than butt-ugly multi-tools and
which retain a pocket knife appearance.
 Lady's and Gents Folders - fancied up pocket knives which are
designed more for show than function. However, some very serious
(extreme) knives are very ornamental, perhaps to disguise their
deadly functions.

A Blade Glossary page

Jump to "Skip the introductory stuff altogether."

Do we understand this is a twilight zone of potential legal liability? Well, it

is... What is a defensive knife, anyway? We'll get to that, but first...

Things to know
about defensive encounters with a knife...
.............................................................Remember, this page is not about how to use a knife.

If you carry a knife for self defense you must be prepared to use that
knife with lethal effect, if necessary. In a self defense scenario there should
be no doubt that the attacker intends to perform serious bodily damage. To
prevent that from happening, you must be prepared to take any action
necessary for self defense. Any hesitation or withdrawal from the fight could
result in serious consequences, even your death.

"You must consider the harsh reality of carving into a human body with a
sharp edge, even in the context of defending yourself or your family. Think
about what it would feel like to slash your tactical folder across an assailant's
belly, tearing open his stomach wall and watching the wet loops of gray
intestine spill into his lap. Imagine the sound of your blade scratching over a
rib, sinking into your attacker's lung, his blood bubbling frothily from the
wound. Edged weapons are brutally intimate. Know this before you deploy
one. Understand exactly what you are about to do."
Steve Tarani, martial arts master, Karambit maker writing in "American
Handgunner," November, 2001, on The Mental Aspects of Knife Fighting
If your adversary has a knife, or worse, if you drop your knife, expect to get
cut. Don't lose focus when blood flows, yours or your adversary's.
"How can we prepare to deal with getting cut, especially in a knife fight? It
all starts with the preparedness of the mind. In blade cultures of the Far East,
masters of knife fighting, share with us their ancient wisdom in this modern
day: "With the edge, you have already been cut or you have cut another.
Surrender yourself to the fact that you have been cut or have cut another and
do not focus upon the thought 'I have been cut' or 'I have cut another.' Now is
the time to make your next move and not to assist your
opponent by distracting your own mind.

"Accept the fact that the blood of the cut is inevitable. Be

resolute. Be hard. Be fast. And don't let the sight of blood-- your own, or
someone else's-- deter you from wielding the blade with all the fury and
determination your very survival demands.

"Most of us lack any formal training in self-defense with an edged weapon or

even with our bare hands, for that matter. While it takes a good deal of mental
preparation to deal with the enormous psychological impact of slicing up
another human being, it also takes some mental homework to deal with the
eventuality of getting cut. The chance of getting cut in a knife fight is close to
100 percent. Even the most skilled practitioners of edged weapons, those who
have studied the blade arts, admit that they would expect to be cut in a fight."

Steve Tarani
There are no rules. Be prepared to cheat; do not play "fair." Keep the blade
hidden until the last possible moment.

Stabs also called thrusts, which are harder to block, produce more fatal
wounds than slashes and increase odds of severing a major source of blood
flow. Aside from the eyes, avoid stabbing at the head as skulls are very
tough to penetrate. Facial wounds can be nasty but are seldom fatal.

The primary styles of cuts are the slash, hack and thrust. Secondary styles or
backup cuts are scraping or skinning, the tear (as in using barbs on an edged
weapon) and coring (as a major organ is penetrated)
Most fatalities in knife fights (or soon after) occur from blood loss which
can take several long, long minutes and become a slippery mess. A little
knowledge of human anatomy and blood flow can go a long way. (Refer to
the chart near the end of this long page.)

Severing wrist, arm and ankle tendons incapacitates much faster than
waiting for the effects of blood loss. (So does evisceration, but what a mess.)

When on defensive, keep as much distance as possible from your

adversary. If fleeing is an option, it is worth considering.

Bigger blades are better but a mindset and a determination to prevail is far
more important. In any case, keep things as unequal as possible.
[Hoping on] Stopping a knife fight via pain compliance is risky due to
varying tolerences for pain. Via mechanical compliance [such as]
exsanguination or severing a nerve bank [would be] more effective.
Steve Tarani

ODIAC Rule #1 for a knife fight:

ODIAC = Online Data for the Informed Armed Citizen

Bring a gun.

ODIAC Rule #2 for a knife fight:

If you don't have a gun,

bring two knives.
Facts of the matter are: a knife fight or a situation in which you must defend
yourself with a knife will generally be "iffy." The outcome will be strongly
influenced by your (or your adversary's) mindset, physical fitness, level of
physical strength and hand/eye coordination, as well as stamina after several
minutes' exertion under the influence of adrenalin. Avoiding a prolonged
conflict is critical.
Back to the question of what defensive knives are...
There are three types of knives
commonly considered for Another type is the Finally, Specialty
defensive use. The simplest Folding Blade, some- Knives such as belt
type of knife is the Full Tang times called the Tactical buckle knives,
Blade, this is a fixed blade Folder, which is a credit card knives,
knife that has a handle molded commonly known knife neck knives, sword
around or attached to the that is compacted to half canes and push
extension of the blade, i.e., it its full length by folding daggers exist in a
consists of only one piece of the blade into the handle category of their
steel covered by a handle for (as with pocket knives). own.
the grip.
Knives may be single-edged (more likely to be legal) or
double edged daggers and dirks (seldom legal for street carry by civilians).
The spectrum of knife products is truly surprising and is generally divided
into three price categories. "El Cheapo" knives running under $30 but as
high as $100-$200 use inexpensive steel and will not hold an edge very long,
if at all. These are best suited as collectibles (for their shape), as conversation
pieces and as letter openers. Mid range knives of good design, quality
components, and which seldom need sharpening can work well as defensive
knives for the civilian user. They are generally mass-manufactured. High end
knives which typically run over $150 and sometimes several hundred dollars
are usually handmade, exquisitely crafted. Some can even be called works of
art. This last category is most commonly seen in the firearms press, though a
few mid range quality products such as CRKT (Columbia River Knife &
Tool) also show up in gun magazine ads.
"One of the hottest selling new trends is the assisted-opening folder. Once
the [user's] thumb lightly touches the closed blade and begins the opening
movement, ingenious-lever designs take over. Manufacturers assure us they
are not switchblades, though they seem to open as easily. They're a natural
for older customers, those with arthritis or other hand ailments or injuries,
and for anyone who just doesn't see himself as sufficiently adept to thumb-
open a tactical folder in 'the regular way'."
Massad Ayoob,
writing in "Shooting Industry"
The distinctions between an "assisted opening" knife and a switchblade are
twofold. First, an assisted opening knife requires the user to move the blade
1/4th of the way through the opening swing whereas a switchblade opens on
a simple button press. Second, where it is typically legal or permitted for law
enforcement (and sometimes EMTs) to possess a switchblade (to quickly cut
through seat belts clothing or shoe laces), it is not generally acceptable for a
civilian to have any but assisted opening or manually opening folding knives.
If caught with a switchblade, expect the minimum penalty to be confiscation.
Anything worse would depend on the situation and the broad discretionary
power law enforcement has.

Note that this distinction is not always clear to the Federal authorities and
that U.S. Customs has periodically seized imported shipments of such knives.
Then legitimate, law-abiding firms such as CRKT have had to engage
expensive attorneys to get their property released. Similar delays of time and
money are something which an individual civilian user may not be able to
afford either to recover property or to avoid prosection. There are sources on
the Internet to get law enforcement switchblades but they should be avoided.

THINGS TO WATCH OUT FOR:

1. Knives sold in bulk, as on TV shopping programs. If you can buy 35
knives for about a hundred bucks which were shipped here from
China, how much do you really think the cost of manufacture was?
Enough, say, to rely on such junk to defend your life?
2. Many, but not all, knives sold at gun shows for very low prices
(which usually don't hold an edge worth a hoot and which will not
stand up to much abuse). Price tells the story.
3. Many, perhaps most, knives sold at sporting goods stores which may
look good and well made but which also may not hold an edge well
and won't stand up to abuse. Some "name brands" appear on junk
knives. Some of the S&W branded products are inferior, just junk.
Not all S&W branded knives are junk, but some. Again, price tells the
story.
4. Blade material identified only as stainless steel which is not necessary
 premium material for a knife. While it may never rust, the knife will
not hold an edge long when used. This means it will require constant
sharpening if it is used regularly (to cut. Remember it's best if it can
be explained as a utility knife.)

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Types of defensive knives

A representative sampling, leaving it up to you to find these products
and to avoid cheap imitations and knockoffs of proven designs.
(Google is a good place to start.)

The Colt Pathfinder A double edged boot

More than just a hunting knife, dagger, not legal most
this one will chop to the bone Boot push dagger
places

Regular type doubled edged

dagger, (too big for a boot)
Dirk, a type of dagger
usually worn with a belt -
leaving a wound less likely Singled edged belt knife
more for stabbing than cutting
to close and highly illegal Disguised as a buckle

Classic fixed blade

Karambit
Indonesian eviscerating
weapon with many Hibben Claw II
Double edged belt knife imitators Inexpensive clone Karambit

A large neck knife

Worn under the shirt Poor man's Karambit
Double edged push dagger about $14, from Pakistan (good
neck knife design, but junk)
 Single edged push dagger Avoid "skeletonized"
A better poor man's karambit
style knife, the CRKT Bear knives which become hard to
Claw, under $30 hold when wet (or bloody).

Tactical folders come in a vast

Spyderco's Claw, a
range of styles and prices.
precursor to the modern The modern folding Karambit,
Many are of little use in a
folding Karambit pricey but of excellent quality
fight.

Tactical folding dagger is Tanto point knives are available

Variant of the folding trouble looking for a place both as fixed-blades and folders.
Karambit to land
Karambit?
(Some material below from Steve Tarani's FAQ at www.karambit.com)
A curved, shortbladed combat knife, "the Karambit as a utility
knife. It can be also, however, be used for martial arts. [For]
self-defense, the Karambit can be used as a means of ensuring your personal safety in
the event you are... attacked.

"What makes the [Tarani] Karambit [somewhat] unique is it's pronounced curving
edges and oversized finger ring. Providing maximum safety, the finger ring ensures a
positive and non-slip hand-grip allowing optimal functionality in extreme weather
conditions, under water, or in any hostile working environment. As a result of its
signature curved edges and characteristic finger ring, the Karambit [can be] used for
a number of practical functions including utility, personal defense, and martial arts
applications."

The use of Tarani Karambits with (his) martial arts training material can probably
make you using his (expensive) knives into a formibible opponent. This additional
aspect is best suited to law enforcement and military users, though.

The re-emergence of this ancient weapon as a self-defense option is essentially in its

infancy and the knife may emerge as one of the best and most concealible self
defense options in the next few years.

Tarani Aluminum Control Device and Trainer by Blade-Tech

 What is a Karambit?

Kerambit?

Tanto point?
(From Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia.)
"A Tanto is a Japanese blade or small sword. It is a smaller version of the Katana
sword and the blade is about 6" to 8" in length. It can stab or it can slash. However,
the Tanto knife is designed more to be a stabbing instrument."

A well-made 8" tanto blade will penetrate a car door (with the window rolled up),
should you ever need to do that. (Requires above average upper body strength to do
this, however.) Tanto points are available on both fixed blade and folding knives. The
shape of the point and design of the blade gives it more lateral strength than other
shapes. These are very rugged knives.

Plain edge or serrated?

The choice of which type of knife edge to get appears mostly to be one of personal
preference. In general, avoid edges blades under 3" on that are only partially serrated
as they afford little advantage. And keep in mind that once dull, serrated edges can be
very challenging to resharpen. One product worth investigating for sharpening
serrations is Gatco Sharpeners. But shop around for the best price. And DMT makes
good products as well.

Okay, where are we?

1. If we remain aware that an effective defensive knife will typically
have a blade of 3" or more, that it may not be legal to carry without a
CCW/CHL permit or even with one, that we may have a problem
with John Law if we get into a situation requiring police presence
then we may be able to avoid trouble or at least be prepared for
surprises.
2. An effective defensive knife may or may not be legal but certain
kinds may be "less legal" and more problematic for a police officer
who must confront us, however otherwise law abiding we may be.
And civilian users should know to absolutely avoid certain kinds such
as (true) switchblades. daggers and dirks.
3. And, by the time we get to this part of this page we should be aware
there may be more effective choices in regard to defense with an
edged weapon than an oversized pocket knife or a bargain tactical
folder.

Webmaster's Pick as the medium duty "Best Buy" folder

 The A. G. Russell FeatherLite Pocket Folder
a one hand knife
suitable for utility or personal defense

This knife is not very large, just under four

inches closed. An oval hole is cut through the
blade for your thumb, which enables you to flip
it open with one hand. This makes the
FeatherLite™ one of the easiest-to-open folders
you may have ever seen. The blade and handle
combination are engineered to give you very fast and sure opening knife.
(Closes with one hand, too.) A little practice lets you open this knife with
authority and speed.

A great all purpose knife;

Sleek and lightweight (only 1.5 oz).
Surprisingly thin but of very tough design.
It fits as nicely in your hand or pocket. Black Zytel® handle: 7" when open
Blade length 3-1/8"
and a choice of general purpose or clip point blades.
Provides True stealth carry.

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Choosing a Good Knife

"Even with the wide proliferation of knife manufacturers,

good knives are hard to find, and not every knife is suitable
for knife combat. There are several factors to consider.

"The size of the knife is very important... a large knife can be

uncomfortable to carry and very difficult to conceal. The generally
accepted ideal knife size is a blade length of 3 inches and perhaps another 3 or 4
inches for the handle. At that size the knife can be carried comfortably, is of light
weight and easy to conceal.

"Quality is another factor which can be very serious in the case of folding knives. A
bad quality folding knife can close on the carrier's fingers when striking a target
causing self injury. Quality should always be a deciding factor in the case of folding
knives. Folding knives are usually chosen because when closed for carry they are
small in size, fitting neatly into a trouser pocket. Unbranded steel types such as
'Stainless Steel' should be avoided as it is [generally] a sign of poor quality. It is
preferable to select a special type of steel such as 'stainless steel 420' or 'stainless
steel 440'. Other excellent types of steel are also available.

"Finally, a few Full Tang knives come with their own carry system, i.e. a sheath in
the form of shoulder, neck or belt carry that allows the user to conceal the knife very
easily." Boker makes an excellent rig of this type and it is very sharp and generally a
well-respected carry system available for several knives.

Source: http://www.linkbase.org/articles/Knife-Fighting.htm
And, another opinion:

"People who like guns like knives. It's not so much a 'weapon thing' as it is a
'craftsmanship thing' and a 'functionality' thing.' In selection, the tool follows the
predictable task. In a fight, the blade follows the threat. Picking the knife is like
picking the gun. It's not about image. It's about what you're likely to need it for.

"There have been cases of hunters who've used their knives to defend themselves
successfully against dangerous animals. There are far fewer cases of cops who've
used knives to defend themselves against criminals. What you absolutely do have are
cases of private citizens who've used knives to repel lethal assaults by criminals.

"For American gentlemen and 'Ordinary Joes' throughout this century, it has been the
utility knife and the 'pen-knife.' The analogy to 'service pistol and backup gun' is
achingly obvious."

from Massad Ayoob's, article, Blade,

in "Guns Magazine, July 1999
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The Martialist, an online electronic

magazine (e-zine) for those who fight
unfairly (or aspire to). "...among the
handful, dozens, or scores of people whose
paths you cross on any given day as you go
through your life could be individuals who The Karambit is a tool/knife capable of
represent a threat -- and you won't know being used for many different
ahead of time who they are. As a result you applications. (Wink, wink.) Its basic use
must maintain a perceivable level of that of a common tool – a utility blade,
alertness when you are out and about. You used to open boxes, cut twine, dig holes,
may choose to take this a step further and
seek out the training and the tools --
etc. Today, it's most commonly owned
including legally possessed weapons -- that
by collectors and knife enthusiasts. It's
give you an advantage should an altercation
also used as a martial-arts training
occur."
implement. Lastly, it can be used to
ensure personal safety should the need
The publisher of this e-zine is literate, well
arise (i.e, as a personal defense or
spoken, appears to have been well
survival weapon).
influenced by Jeff Cooper and has an
interesting website.

THE "CRAWFORD CREDIT CARD KARAMBIT"

Teddy Jacobson, noted gunsmith, on Damascus steel.

Some thoughts about combat knives
Combat knives? Not defensive knives? Not survival knives? That's
correct, combat knives, because what we're dancing around on the
page above are short, edged weapons with which to do combat
with an adversary, an aggressor, a predator, someone who has
attempted, is about to attempt or is attempting to put us in serious
danger, about to set upon us with malice and intent to do bodily
harm. And among the several differences from a defense using a
firearm, this is about preparation for a close up, potentially close-in
full body contact encounter.

For this reason, and presuming we are making serious preparations

to carry and to use a rugged and lethal tool, something other than a
mere pocket knife or a "gentleman's" hunting knife or folder is
required. This rules out El Cheapo knives with marginal steel and
any which cannot withstand serious lateral torque. The knife must be
able not only to stab repeatedly but also to cut repeatedly. Not just
through flesh but through possibly thick outer clothing including
denim or canvas types of cloth.

If, in the course of using such an instrument for less than deadly
encounters, the knife will be used for utility purposes, it MUST be
able to maintain an edge. We cannot afford for it to become a
(temporarily) useless tool after cutting up boxes, ropes or any
materials which will make it less than very, very sharp. Between
such utilitarian use and the next time we get out the sharpening tools,
mortal combat may ensue. (Use of a knife for utility purposes has no
parallel to using a firearm for such purposes. Guns do not have more
than one base function; there are no such things as utility firearms.)

Look, if you are going to cut things

which will dull your knife, invest in a
keychain box cutter or similar device.
(Or go get a box cutter.) Using a
defense knife for pedestrian chores
does two things. First, it reveals to
those around you that you are
carrying the knife. Second, it may
compromise your readiness to deal
with terrible potential eventualities.
So we must chose a combat weapon
that can meet several criteria. There is
more to a good combat knife than just
being able to hold an edge (which
will be a given for the purposes of
this list). Personal preferences in
knife design exist so the following
should be considered as ideal criteria.
1. The blade should be able to withstand a good deal of lateral torque
(in case it needs to be twisted). If it is a folder, the point where the
Capsule Knife Reviews

CRKT has become a well-respected manufacturer of edged tools and weapons in recent years. The table
below shows but a very few of its products.
 THE BEAR CLAW
Sometimes referred to as a "poor man's karambit," this
little knife is probably a best choice as a deep cover
backup (a second knife) worn as a neck knife. (As a
sole weapon, there are better choices as a neck knife.
Wearing the Bear Claw as a neck knife and presenting
it take a bit of practice.) Of excellent quality and with a
finger hole ensuring a solid combat or cutting grip, the
length of the handle, while comfortable, will adversely
impact leverage in the worst situations. Unlike many
small neck knives, though, it has enough heft to stay in
place while hanging under a shirt or coat. The scabbard
can also be worn on a belt or carried using a clip that
comes separately with the knife. Given its limitations, *** out of four stars and it can be found under
$40.

THE CARSON M16

Comes in a variety of materials and sizes and therefore in a good range of prices. (There are other
variations not shown here.) This popular clip-on tactical knife opens easily with one hand. (The clip can
be removed.) While the perforated grip was probably developed to make the knife lighter, it improves the
ability to hold onto the knife in wet conditions. Great for an inside coat pocket. **** out of four stars.
Prices vary according to model chosen. Use Google to search for the best prices. (See below.)

THE CARSON M18

The M16's big brother is a bit heftier, bulkier and more difficult to conceal. Like so many of the CRKT
knives, it is very affordable as compared to tactical folders by other manufacturers. And probably works
just as well or better.(Not rated.)

United Cutlery sells a wide variety of fearsome looking knives many of which, while nasty looking, are
really best suited as collectibles. (But not all of them.) Gill Hibbens' Claw II design is an improvement
over the original Claw. It is available with or without a shaped grip.

The main fighting value of this knife is as a variant of brass knuckles on steriods, something like a fistful
of dimes with teeth at both ends as you engage in a very nasty fist fight. The collectibility value is mostly
its unique shape and affordable price (typically under $30).

Is it an El Cheapo? Not really, the box comes signed and it is reasonably well crafted. But the CRKT
Bear Claw shown above would probably make a better karambit-type defensive weapon and is more
concealable.

"It's not 'carry a Remington rifle, carry a Remington knife,' or 'wear a Beretta
pistol, wear a Beretta knife.' Leave that label stuff to the lightweight yuppies.
It's about function, not about 'look.' It also is not about 'big gun, big knife;
small gun, small knife.' It's more about needs.

"It's not what works for somebody else. It's what works for you. What works
for the other guy is just something to test, to find out what might work for
you. Don't carry what you don't know how to use.
The gun doesn't define your knife; your needs at a given time and place
define your choice of both tools. Don't forget that your carry gun is primarily
a weapon, and your carry knife may be primarily a multi-purpose tool and
only secondarily a weapon. Don't carry tools or weapons you don't know how
to use effectively.

"Fixed or folder? That's kind of like 'rifle or pistol.' If I'm carrying only a
knife, sign me up for fixed blade if the law allows it. It's stronger. It's faster.
In terms of employment, drawing a folding knife is the slowest, drawing a
pistol is faster, but at belly-to-belly range, drawing the fixed knife from a
quick draw scabbard is the fastest of all.

"Drawing the pistol is a complex psychomotor skill, and opening a folding

knife may be more so, but drawing a fixed blade knife is a simple gross
motor skill of the kind that best survives 'fight or flight reflex.' Obviously,
we'd all rather have the fixed blade knife in the scabbard, as we'd all rather
have the 12 gauge at port arms, at the start of the fight. Realistically, though,
most of us are stuck with the handgun in the concealment holster, and the
folding blade in the pocket. In both cases, it's about convenience, discretion
and constant availability."

again, from Massad Ayoob's, article, Blade,

in "Guns Magazine," July 1999

Death to our attacker(s).

An FBI Lab has collected nearly 90 samples of weapons that could escape airport
detection. Most of the samples photographed in the extensive database of concealable
weapons are commercially available for less than $20, the FBI says. Click the image for
more info and links to download this PDF file.

NOTE: Most of the knives in the document are essentially

useless for self defense. But it is an interesting study.

A closing thought:
Jack Collins, writing in Knives 2000

"Have you ever gotten into a knife fight? Do you even know
anyone who has ever been in a knife fight? Neither do I. I
would be willing to stake a small wager that there are fewer
than 500 people in this country [who might be reading this]
who have engaged in knife fighting 'for real.'

"...gunpowder has obviated the blade in any forum as a

primary tool for self-defense. As a secondary, or back-up
weapon, the knife has more validity, but not much.

"There is one overriding factor which makes fighting knives

viable: THAY ARE USEFUL TOOLS! If one talks to veterens
who carried the Marine Corps fighting knive (the KA-BAR)
they will to a man tell you the knife was used almost
exclusively as a utility tool. "...most martial arts of which I
am aware advise: attack the gun, run from the knife. Reason:
you can outrun a knife but not a bullet.

Edged Weapon Awareness

Knife vs. Gun: Inside Six Feet, I'll Take The Knife

Knives Are A Lethal Force Option

In other news,
New Trends in Combat Knives...
Cold Steel's new Black Talon will rip, cut, or
slash through any material that's vulnerable to a
razor sharp edge. Its curved blade cuts coming or
going and terminates in a talon shaped, needle
sharp tip that‘s resistant to bending or breaking.
This appears to be Cold Steel's reaction to karambit style fighting knives now
becoming popular.

Made of 440A stainless steel for toughness and edge retention, and hollow
ground to a thin edge, it will “bite” at the slightest intention. The handle is
made of two injection molded Zytel¨ parts or “halves” bolted to thick
stainless steel liners. Reported to be a comfortable, non-slip grip, that’s
lightweight and tough. To protect fingers from the Black Talon’s sharp
 cutting edge, it has a state of the art rocker lock and, in
tests, rivaled, if not exceeded the strength of any other
locking mechanism on the market.

Under $200, search for "Cold Steel Black

Talon." Only a few dealers have it yet.

Back around the turn of the century (2000), Massad Ayoob designed a
combat folder for Spyderco's ClipIt series of knives. It drew a little attention
but it did not become widely known. The knife can still be found new at
some dealers ($125 or so) but production has been discontinued. (Search for
"Ayoob Spyderco Clipit.")

The most unusual feature of this knife is that the handle feels like an extention of the blade.
Similiar to the concept of snap shooting in firearms, wherever you point your wrist is where
the blade goes. This takes away the necessity of using valuable moments while you
position/line up the blade. The handle is aluminum coated in black Almite. The blade is
made of premium VG-10 high carbon steel.
His lastest knife design is for Masters of Defense and it is a fixed blade
known as the "Razorback," sure to be a best seller. Mr. Ayoob came to
believe too much time is lost getting a folding knife into action. So he teamed
up with some forensic pathologists and medical examiners to design this
tough fixed blade (and the kydex sheath) that will punch through and get the
job done "right." His intent was to create a tool that would be legal for carry
under most jurisdictions, be concealable with most dress codes and also
fulfill the utility needs of a carry knife. More importantly, it is capable of
delivering an assault stopping effect against a large heavily clad assailant or
vicious animal.
Massad Ayoob is considered on of the industry's foremost experts on the use of deadly force
in self-defense situations, and serves as an expert witness and trial consultant. A fully sworn
police officer for over 23 years, he has risen to the rank of captain. He is the law
enforcement editor for American Handgunner, handgun editor for Guns Magazine and
director of the Lethal Force Institute.
The blade is a 154cm high carbon stainless steel alloy. About $120 if you
shop around. Search for "Ayoob Razorback."

UPDATE #1: Since this page was first created and put online in 2004, many
manufacturers have placed Karambit type or shaped knives into their product
line. Some of the most interesting are the HideAway Claw knives. They are
custom made (made in a variety of shapes) concealable knives which, as in
the Karambit style, can be used for stabbing or gutting an opponent. The
overall physics of the HideAway shape makes the knife perform
exceptionally well at a pulling motion as well as
the traditional pushing one. Combine pulling with
the shape of the bengal tiger's claw, and you have
a lot of stength and devastation. The prices range
from $139-$189 and they are available only from
the manufacturer. Click on the image for a link to
the website. Or, for a review of this
product.

UPDATE #2: Online vendors of knives proliferate. This vendor, however,

has an interesting and moneysaving feature: A Price Match Guarantee.
TheBladeShop.com is committed to offering customers the lowest prices.
Their price match guarantee is simple. They will match any cometitor's lower
price. In fact, if you find a lower price on a competitor's site, they will also
beat it by 5%. You provide them the URL (Web address) on exactly the same
model knife so they can verify it. It is explained clearly here.

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