DIY: Home made 12V Car Jumpstart

battery pack from a Cordless Power tool

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Can you start a car from a Cordless Power Tool battery pack? Let's
find out. Here's the video of how to make a balance charging cable for
your battery pack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZKS0...
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RevBiker Big DHace 3 años

That's an alternator, not the starter motor, it is other end of engine by the trans!
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vuaeco
Hace 3 años
Yes indeed. I put the annotation on the screen but you won't see it if you
watch the video on a phone or tablet. What I'd been pointing at was the
alternator. The starter motor is on the right side hidden underneath. But you
got the idea.
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Matthew DobbsHace 2 años

vuaeco very interesting and good to know in an emergency..thanks, nice video
well explained.
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Andrew StylesHace 1 año

doesn't matter dumbass he did it what the fuck do u do except point out faults.
You're a jackass
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punker4RealHace 2 semanas (editado)

some have BAS alternators you stupid shit my SUV only has a HIGH
VOLTAGE 60,000 watts starter/alternator(two motors dual 60kw motors one
for regeneration /reverse and start/ forward)
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jmoyetHace 2 años (editado)

That was the alternator you pointed at. the starter is where the transmission
bolts to the engine.
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
Yes, indeed. I put that on the annotation in the video but you can only see it if
you watch it on a computer (won't see it on mobile device). My brain was too
focused on the subject at the time. Luckily, the main focus of this video is not
about the starter but about the battery pack itself.
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Andrew StylesHace 1 año

doesn't matter dumbass he did it what the fuck do u do except point out faults.
You're a jackass
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Bmi Global1Hace 1 año

Best part... At 11:40 you saved the wrench from falling into the engine! ESP
power, you're Superman
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Zach TrimbleHace 1 año

Yea i was like, no the wrench no, no, noooo, fucking grab it, Fuck, no, lol
THE BELTTTTTTTTT
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Tony QuezadaHace 11 meses

I have the same expression as Zach I want it to jump and grab the wrench
myself ! from falling into the engine .
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Johnny5Hace 5 meses
I've jump started my truck by directly connecting an 18v 3ah Makita cordless
drill battery, with no modifications. As you recommended, make sure u
disconnect the battery the second the vehicle starts.
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Scooters DenverHace 3 meses

Quite helpful! Thanks for making and posting this video!
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Hazim ReitzHace 1 año

Super sandwich from hell xDDDDD
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pointedspiderHace 11 meses
You have to let it sit and charge the car battery for about 10 minutes. I've
jumped my car with a Milwaukee M12 1.3A/h
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M LakhotaHace 2 años
excellent idea...
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Luis GaytanHace 1 año

6c would done it with 12" cables
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der_keksHace 2 años
lol, the time you do a legit 'hack' and you don't say it in the title ;) nice work
mate.
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power tools reviewsHace 3 meses

I jumped mine with one 2amp battery pack like dem
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VedoHace 9 meses
youre a badass thank you for this video
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martin dHace 2 años

awesome. subscribed ..
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wiggys shopHace 2 años

interesting project
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jonathan 2018Hace 1 año

Ok sir thanks a lot for ur reply
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Troubled Tuber GamingHace 2 años

The starter motor is under the engine by the gearbox as the starter motor
spinns the flywheel when you tern the key.
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Jesus Maria Rodriguez OlivarriaHace 2 años

Good video. Do the test with 4S1P, 4S2P and 5S1P, 5S2P. There are videos
with battery of 18V drill of 5S1P and 5S2P and it worked.
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SpartacusseHace 2 años
I though about doing this, but the 18650 I have available are recycled from old
laptop batteries, coupled with the fact that they are not new, they also were not
rated for high current output, unlike your Cordless drill ones. So I though I
could use some sort of current limiting, and instead of the pack being able to
crank the shaft on it'n own, like you did, I could plug it in and wait 5-10
minutes for the pack to recharge the car battery enough so both of them
combined could turn the motor, thoughts on how to do that? And if it's viable?
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
That's a great idea. I think that's possible. Laptop batteries don't have enough
discharge current to crank the motor in a short amount of time. But let it
charge the lead acid battery for a while and until enough charge, the lead acid
battery might be able to crank the motor.
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Miles PapineauHace 2 años

Hey great video. thanks for testing this. ive always wondered this. I am
curious where you got the information that each 18650 is capable of delivering
20 amps of current. I thought an 18650's current limit was around 2 amps...
Also, to avoid 14v going back into the battery; if you were using it as a
permanent battery, couldnt you use some sort of diode to allow current out of
the battery but drastically reduce current from going the opposite direction?
wired into 3 (1 for each parallel pack) of those charge controller chips found
on ebay (parallel wiring), then they would stop charging at 4.2v.... correct me
if im wrong, still learning.
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
The 18650 specs come from the manufacturer. There's a model number
imprinted on the cell and you just have to google it. Not all 18650's are the
same. Those come from laptops only have 2A discharge rate vs. those from a
power tool which has 10 times as much discharge rate. The reason why I don't
want to put a diode in it is because I need to charge this pack when it's empty.
Plus, I want to use it for other purposes and putting a diode on it would reduce
its practicality.
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Miles PapineauHace 2 años

Thanks for that info. 20A is quite significant.
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Monkey JHace 2 años

Miles Papineau there are some that are capable of even more. My 18650 of
choice is the Samsung 25R - rated at 25A continuous and 100A pulse for 1
second as per the datasheet. Still though, a 3S 6P isn't enough current to safely
start a car. You'd still be overdrawing the batteries which can cause immediate
safety concerns or issues down the line. The last thing you want is to have
your bed room fill with chemicals randonly while you're watching TV after
your battery explodes on the charger.
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Aman KainthHace 3 meses

why it didnt work first time with one pack. 1 cables too long. 2 Didnt wait 15-
20mins for the battery to charge while plugged into the pack.
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David ZellersHace 6 meses

Remove all the jumper cables and hook up wires to battery connectors. 2
packs will do it
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Dinh CaoHace 1 año

How did you solder the battery tabs?
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A BHace 1 año
You should make a 16 Volt system, that way you don't need to disconnect it. :)
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vuaeco
Hace 1 año
Car system is only 14.5V max when the engine is running. When the engine is
off, it's only around 12V. A 4S Li-ion pack is almost 17V (16.8 to be exact)
and that might be too much and can fry your car sensitive electronics.
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Timothy LuzierHace 1 año

I can see your point, but the alternator will charge the 4s battery to 14.6v and
then the voltage regulator will stop charging. So your 4s pack will charge to
about 60-70%, and never get to full charge. So It wont damage any systems
and the pack would work better than a lead acid with the lithium pack at 70% I
have been wanting to test it. I want to build a case lined with a couple of
lithium charge bags in-case of a problem. I'm thinking a 4S8P pack.
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Hamidj JohnHace 1 año

Timothy Luzier do you want make jump starter contact me we at same project
Contact me by whatsapp 00358468911484
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marius popaHace 1 año

@vuaeco Or a diode
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marius popaHace 1 año
or a diode
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Michael F.Hace 1 año

Nice Supersize lol
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Bryan CummingsHace 10 meses (editado)

Can a 4s pack work for this just keep the voltage at 14.5v and how much amps
does the car alternator charge at?
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Samo HrajeHace 6 meses

You dont need to care about right voltage , my dad sent 26V to a battery and
everything survived but yes you can use a 4S / 4P or 5P to encrease the better
starter cranking. You can even use 4S 6P to start up the car in cold winter .
16.8V is good but i recommend to unplug the battery first than you can crank
the motor with this battery pack connected properly to the cables from the
broken or super discharged lead acid battery
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Nigel DolmanHace 2 años

If you were to use a small bank of super capacitors as well I think you could
do this with 3s 1p.
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John NadarHace 1 año

Super capacitor means
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DVD playerzHace 3 meses

@John Nadar Capacitors that usually have a high capacity.
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Carlos CardovaHace 2 años (editado)

Hello Vuaeco .·•*°*•~ .·•*°*•·.~<€((© ),)°?°)·· I LIKE to try that To operate
motorbike Head lights and my rear lights. I would like to use a different
battery housing and installation for my 12 volt battery pack bike mount .thank
you Vuaeco. That is COOL
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
That would be cool for your bike rather than a lead acid battery.
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xmass guyHace 5 meses

I have a big 12 volt starter motor (points to alternator)
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vuaeco
Hace 5 meses
Is that all you learned from the whole video?
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GuthrieDennisHace 1 año
XT60 connectors are rated for 60 amps
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Videos by AlexHace 1 mes

Cool video. Somebody at the post office is pissed that you're using their
Priority Mail box like that. ;-)
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steve clarkHace 2 años

Good video! I always enjoy your stuff.
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MagneticitistHace 2 años
That would probably work with a smaller engine with just the 2 packs. But
awesome video. I always wondered how many it would take also. I've been
settling for taking the long route slowly recharging my dead batts with a
higher voltage variable battery supply of low discharge 18650's. It sucked
having to charge my battery this morning in the freezing cold for like 30
minutes and the engine still didn't want to turn over (but was trying) before
my ride came to get me lol. That sucker was all the way dead though.
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Alaa MohsinHace 8 meses

you need a special type of Diode as a one-way valve for electricity, that will
prevent the overcharge power to get back to the batteries.
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Samo HrajeHace 6 meses

Oh well but This diode must to be rated atleast to 150A. You can use a
regullar Diode hooked up bunch of them in paralel or Use an old welding's
machine diodes , two of them are there so you can hook them up in parallel .
But you must to add another 1S / 6P battery pack to previous ones because
this diode has a drop voltage around 0.6 - 0.75V so Multiply 4.2 times 4 you'll
get up 16.8V minus 0.7 = 16.1V with no load so this ammount of voltage /
power stored in the battery pack will crank a starter much much more easier
even in cold winter.
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Chris StormHace 4 meses

What I don't understand is why he wouldn't just use a 4S setup. There would
be no need for a diode, as the pack would tolerate up to 16.8. Nominal voltage
of the pack would be right at the charging voltage of the alternator. Unless the
concern is inrush current created by connecting a depleted lead acid battery to
16v source.
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DVD playerzHace 3 meses

@Chris Storm While you do make a good point, the car battery has a 15v
overcharge rating. Although granted, it's going to be empty when you plug it
to the battery pack. But there is also the starter motor and the other electronics
in the car which probably wont like the extra 3 volts you are giving. In other
words, I would prefer risking the battery pack overcharging than risking the
car's electronics.
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Chris StormHace 3 meses

@DVD playerz It's not uncommon for race cars to use 16v lead acid batteries.
It's supposed to help their ignition systems. I can't really say whether there is
any improvement from using a battery like this, but they run the same 12v
starters and 12v fuel pumps when they go up to the 16v batteries. on the cars
without an issue. Proper float charge on one of those batteries is 18.4 volts. 15
volts isn't really 3 volts over what's normal. Most cars are around 14.5 volts
while cruising down the road. It's also very common to use the original 6v
starter when converting old tractors to 12v batteries. I have seen many of these
in service for years without damage even though they are being run at double
their intended voltage. Many years ago the voltage regulator on my truck
failed. I saw the gauge peg, so I left the truck running and dug out a
multimeter to check the voltage at the battery. At Idle, the meter showed over
19 volts at the battery. I quickly shut the truck off after reading the meter.
After replacing the regulator, the only thing that was damaged from the
overvoltage was the headlight bulbs. I was worried about having damaged the
computer and other electronics, but after looking into it, found out the the
computer and instrument cluster have independent voltage regulators to
compensate to vehicle voltage fluctiations. It would speculate that most
vehicles have the same regulation for their more sensitive electronics. I'm not
trying to say that running at that voltage for a long time wouldn't have caused
issues, but trying to relay my first hand experience with higher than normal
voltages for short periods. Between what I mentioned above, and the fact that
a discharged lead acid battery will quickly pull the voltage of the 4s pack well
below 14.5v. I can't see any danger to the vehicle at all, only potential danger
to the li-ion cells and the cables connecting the two batteries.
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Pema JamtshoHace 2 semanas

Ya or add a resistor to charge the battery pack again
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Robert PolitoHace 1 semana

Your set up put out 8 amps and you needed inrush for 1 mins. 30 amps to start
a car.
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vuaeco
Hace 1 semana
It's a 6P (6 in parallel) battery pack. Each cell is capable of putting out 20A
continuous (more for inrush). So a 6P pack will put out at least 120A, not 8A.
And to start a compact car like the one in the video, you need at least 80A to
100A.
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Frank CoelhoHace 1 año (editado)
A lot if you asked which batteries were used for this project?; Use a high
drain, 20 amp continuous discharge battery such as the Samsung INR18650-
25R or LG INR18650 HG2
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highflow highflowHace 2 años

you prob cant jumpstart in other situations with that, colder weather, more
heavy (diesel) car ... i think you just got lucky because you already managed
to turn the engine in the first try what makes the oil tinner and easyer to start.
Well at least thats my thought. For practical use the pack should be much
more heavy and the cables big and very short.
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
I can. You have to keep in mind that most jumpstart Li-ion battery packs in
the market would require you to hook it up to your lead acid car battery. They
are actually just a booster. Most (if not all) of them would not be able to start a
car all by themselves without having to hook up parallel to your car battery. If
you think about it, it makes sense because it's your car battery and there's no
point to remove your car lead acid battery in order to jumpstart it. This pack is
able to start the car all by itself. And that shows how much more powerful it is
if you also hook it up parallel to a car battery which is almost the case in
practical use. I tested it without the help of a car battery just to show how
powerful it was. But I certainly would never need to remove my car lead acid
battery before I jumpstart my car.
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Rimantas VHace 2 años

Thank You, its good video. I just wanted to know, how many 18650 cells i
need to start an engine. I am thinking to remove lead battery from my track car
and use litium. Also I would remove an alternator. With lead battery and
alternator removed, would lighten the car for about 20kg and somewhat ease a
load on engine.
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Gixxer 1Hace 2 años

Any cordless powertool can start a car as long as is 12 volt or more , is not
that complicated....
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
First of all, the starter requires a large amount of current at least 100 Amps or
more. A regular 1S power tool only has about 20A discharge current max. So
no, not any battery can start a car. In fact, there's absolutely no regular power
tool battery that can start a car. Second, your car only run up to 14.4V. And
that's when the alternator is running and charging up the battery. Usually at
rest, it's only 12.7V max. If you use a battery more than 14.4V say 24V, 48V,
or 56V, you're gonna fry all of the electronic components in your car including
your ECU.
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Gixxer 1Hace 2 años

On newer garbage (cars) even a cattle prong will fry the electronics
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darkpanaceaHace 2 años
Did you try adding a super capacitor?
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Eric DrisgulaHace 2 semanas

Why bother destroying a perfectly good $40-$80 lithium cordless tool battery
pack when you can buy a pocket sized jump box that also has USB outputs
and a flashlight for $60-80 depending on where you buy it from and what
brand. Hell if you want super cheap and don't care about a larger battery jump
box you can get the classic old school big ones for like $40-50 on sale at
harbor freight and Walmart nowadays so why bother doing this nonsense , you
could have done the experienent on paper with the proper math to reach the
same conclusion on paper without wasting perfectly good expensive battery
packs , your kind of a fool honestly bro, penny wise dollar foolish. And you
should have unplugged that battery pack immediately upon firing up the car
cause the risk of frying those cells or starting a fire is very high even with the
alternator lightly charging the pack for less than a minute , it should be
disconnected within 10 seconds if your jumping cars with a unit like this and
you should also have a proper inline fuse inline in the positive jumper cable
along with a one way diode or proper size, but at least an online fuse bro
common that's just common fuckin sense, you Intentionally trying to fry the
cells in your now destroyed tool battery pack or start a 🔥? Cause lithium fires
can get pretty nasty I don't think you'd enjoy the experience. BTW now that
you've ruined your battery pack and altered it's internal wiring configuration
how do you plan to recharge the dells in the pack properly and safely ?
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John SmithHace 3 años

Now you need to make a charge controller to charge the pack from the
alternator or AC house power....
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vuaeco
Hace 3 años
I use the Turnigy Accucell 6 (same as Imax B6) to balance charge the pack.
The alternator puts out 14.5V DC so it definitely needs a charge controller if I
want it to replace my lead acid battery.There's no such controller on the
market right now. Or is there? (time for more hacking)
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david cisnerosHace 2 años

I think it will be cheaper if you go by on jump pack
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vuaeco
Hace 2 años
A comparative jump pack about the same price ($60) is usually only 3S1P.
This pack is 3S6P so it's 6 times the capacity of the same jump pack. Not only
can I use my pack for jump starting my car, I can also use it for any 12V
devices including running a 12V DC to 110V AC inverter.
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Jesus Maria Rodriguez OlivarriaHace 1 año

the jump pack of $60 is 3S1P lithium polymer battery
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MOHAMMAD MANSOURHace 1 año

you could have added diod to the posetive line and you won't need that much
of a batteries
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Vassilis KasassoglouHace 9 meses

Very good video vaueco! Good explaned. Thanks a lot. I have a electric
scooter. 2000 Watts battery Lead acid, 48 Volts, with 3000 Watt motor by
about 40 Ahs. I want to make Lion battery. It's necessary to get cells with
20Ahs high disharge current or is normal PC battery cells OK ? Thanks.
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John RhodesHace 1 mes

Consider to use from Lidl the Parktool 4Ah power tool battery. Use three in
series and as many as you like in parallel. They are high discharge cells like
the Samsung 20S
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Eric DrisgulaHace 2 semanas

BTW that's not your starter that's your alternator bro, you shouldn't be making
diy projects this dangerous if you can't even tell a starter from an alternator
which btw look nothing alike
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jony joeHace 3 años

I think the harbor freight jumper cables is not heavy duty enough and too long,
otherwise you might have been able to crank it with just 6 batteries instead of
18. But if you use the smaller (shorter)cables like in your second
demonstration you might get it to start with less batteries. All the extra
batteries will allow you to crank multiple cars before recharging. But I like the
idea of using the xt60 (60 amps) connectors to start the car. I been trying the
ec5 connectors (150 amps) but they are hard to solder. In your demonstration
the xt60 work fine and didnt melt and they are easy to solder.
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vuaeco
Hace 3 años
6 cells (3S2P) won't be able to start the car. With 2 in parallel, the discharge
rate is only 40A and I don't think that's enough to run the starter motor. I
might be able to get away with 12 cells (3S4P) if I have shorter and thicker
cables. But the extra pack with 18 cells (3S6P) will give me more run time and
more Amps so I can use it on a bigger car with bigger engines. The XT60 is
rated at 60A for safety only. It can handle much more than that. And in this
case, twice as much at 120A. The run time is only a couple seconds so it's not
gonna have enough time to heat up anything. I did feel the connector and
cables after I started the car and they stayed cool. The reason why I chose the
XT60 connector was because I wanted to charge the battery pack with my
Turnigy Accucel-6 balance charger.
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Monkey JHace 2 años (editado)

vuaeco last winter I started my car with 6 18650s (samsung 25R cells). I didnt
start the car off the batteries though, I basically just paralleled the 3S 18650
battery pack to the car battery, then swapped out the cells once they were
dead. About 45 minutes in it charged the car battery enough to start the car.
Probably would've been about half that but I was impatient and kept trying to
start the car basically eating up all the capacity I put into the battery. It's
definitely not smart to try starting a car off of 18650s though (I.e. connecting
18650s to the battery in parallel and turning thr key) because even if each of
those packs was rated at 40A max continuous discharge, the drain rating
doesnt compound linearly, so 3 in parallel would maybe be like 80-90A max,
which is far bellow the rating of most any car battery, and the peak current
usage is when the car is trying to start and the electronic systems are turning
on simultaneously and the cars ECU is performing checks of everything.
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PAUL A. RHODES, SR.Hace 2 años

Ditto; the voltage drop on any standard set of cables is a very high % and
renders and otherwise good experiment a failure. Indeed, it is difficult to start
ANY vehicle with a single set of cables alone because of the resistence and
voltage drop. A review of OHMS law would be helpful. I think he would be
surprosed how much a very short relatively loss free connection would do for
his experiment.
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greenthumbHace 1 año
I've got to know, where the hell are you from. I cannot for the life of me pin
down that accent and its bothering me.
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Dinh CaoHace 1 año

He's from Asia
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hawk eyeHace 2 años

what would happen if you used a diode?
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jorrma jortikkaHace 3 meses

Must handle hundrets of amps 400/1000A (welder or altenator)
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Edifier BassHace 3 semanas

Oh great start up but you did not put a series rectifier diode to prevent
feedback voltage when battery charging or full put Diode on positive terminal
Anode then Cathode connect to battery positive terminal
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Kyuzo WebbHace 7 meses

Use shorter cables, also don't put the negative clamp on the dead battery it
should be grounded to the engine or chassis. I made a jump pack using just
6cells and works fine so long as it's connected correctly. If wanting to use that
pack for anything more than a one off experiment you should also use at least
a cheap BMS to charge it back up.
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stan deyoeHace 11 meses

stand .. can i mix laptop bat. and powertool bat. in the same pack or. is there a
problem with the different discharge rates ? thanks much, great videos .
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Samo HrajeHace 6 meses (editado)

You can use them in parallel but you need a BMS to prevent damaging to the
battery pack. BMS is some type of Electronic device that can sense the
flowing current and voltage to the battery and then between every single series
connection are different voltage potentials and these potentials must be
controlled with BMS but if it's not, simply the battery with smallest capacity
will be charged much quickly and than its voltage will be much much much
higher than 4.25V MAX!! And woala , the series of problem began. That's
why it's better to use BMS instead of charge it with direct voltage without
nothing.. You can hook different capacities in paralel so don't worry but please
, use a BMS to prevent unexpected behaviours . And yes , you can draw
unlimited current directly from the battery pack but charge it up with BMS
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brian finneranHace 4 meses

I know this video is a little old but, I have a kobalt 80v 5ah battery laying
around I haven’t cracked it open but I’d say it has about 60 18650 batteries in
it. Could I do anything jump box wise with it? I mean it’s a $300 battery but
it’s not doing me any good, any mod you would recommend?
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jonathan 2018Hace 2 años

Hi friend can u send to me the schematic diagram pls
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Eric DrisgulaHace 2 semanas
Each cell may be capable of 20ah but that's only for each cell which are only
3.7 volts each so you much figure out the overage peak amerage per hour peak
output of your entire battery pack your using , what one cell makes alone is
irrelevant except for helping you figure out the total output of the entire pack.
Your playing with fire in this video bro and did you seriously try to start your
car with a 24volt battery pack or did you run some voltage regulator of sorts to
keep the voltage no higher than 13.5V while cranking. No less than 12.3-12.5
on most modern cars
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vuaeco
Hace 2 semanas
That's not 24V, mate. Did you even watch the video?
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self bricoHace 2 años

nice idea
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Raydio PaleoHace 10 meses (editado)

lol remove the car battery, you can change the max voltage of your alternator
by adapting the voltage regulator, , this voltage is verry rough , not smooth
like a charger, so has to be flatned. the lead battery also works like a buffer of
changes in demands of curent. You can plase the smal iliobat near the
startermotor and use thick cables.
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jonathan 2018Hace 1 año

Hi can I use 18650 3.7v 30amps battery??why's is the model of your battery?
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vuaeco
Hace 1 año
You can. That should work. THe battery I used was the Kobalt 2Ah 24V
power tool battery. You can look it up on Lowe's website.
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jonathan 2018Hace 1 año

Thanks sir
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jonathan 2018Hace 1 año

But it is 2500ah yours is 2ah
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vuaeco
Hace 1 año
It's not. It's 2Ah. Lowe's does not have anything 2.5Ah at 24V, at least in the
USA. Where are you from?
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jonathan 2018Hace 1 año

Mauritius.sorry it 3000mah
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vuaeco
Hace 1 año
They might sell different models in different country but what I have here is
2Ah. The 3Ah battery you have over there is better then.
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VUNIT82Hace 1 año
About $60-$100 worth of unusable battery packs and hours of trial and error
or a brand new lithium jump starter with a warranty for $80???