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RESEARCH & IDEAS

The Outside-In Approach to


Customer Service
Q&A with: Ranjay Gulati
Published: February 16, 2010
Author: Sarah Jane Gilbert

Is your enterprise resilient or rigid? In this companies for almost a decade, I map out four suppliers and partners to address some of those
Q&A, HBS professor Ranjay Gulati, an expert levels that exemplify distinct stages through problems. The goal is to bring value to
on leadership, strategy, and organizational which companies may evolve on this journey." customers in ways that are beneficial for them
issues in firms, describes how companies can In our e-mail Q&A, we asked Gulati to while also creating additional value for the
evolve through four levels to become more describe what managers can learn from his new company itself.
customer-centric. Plus: book excerpt from book, Reorganize for Resilience: Putting
Reorganize for Resilience: Putting Customers Customers at the Center of Your Business Q: Could you give an example?
at the Center of Your Business. Key concepts (Harvard Business Press). Gulati, whose A: Sure, bagged salad. Bagged salad would
include: research explores leadership and strategic not have risen to what is now, a
• Companies with an outside-in perspective challenges for building high growth $2.5-billion-a-year industry, without a
aim to provide solutions for customers. organizations in turbulent markets, is the Jaime revolutionary shift to outside-in thinking that
Those with an inside-out orientation, on the and Josefina Chua Tiampo Professor at Harvard allowed companies such as Fresh Express to
other hand, just focus on products, sales, Business School. A book excerpt follows. realize that busy consumers wanted companies
and the organization. to make the whole salad for them rather than
• Customer-centric companies tracked by Sarah Jane Gilbert: Your book focuses simply continue to tweak the packaging of their
Gulati between 2001 and 2007 delivered on how companies can profit, regardless of lettuce.
shareholder returns of 150 percent while market conditions, by immersing themselves It's worth noting that the companies and
the S&P 500 delivered 14 percent. in the lives of their customers. Please business units in my study were tracked
• Companies evolve through four levels when describe the business model of looking between 2001 and 2007. I picked these firms for
they aim to become more customer-centric. "outside-in" versus "inside-out." no other reason than their genuine commitment
• To develop an outside-in orientation, it is Ranjay Gulati: The difference between the and actions toward embracing an outside-in
essential to translate awareness of an issue outside-in and inside-out perspectives is central perspective. In that period these companies
into action toward solving it. to the book's arguments. When I began this have delivered shareholder returns of 150
• Silos must be bridged, not necessarily research, I naively assumed that all firms must percent while the S&P 500 has delivered 14
busted. Best Buy is an example of a indeed have an outside-in orientation whereby percent. They've also grown their sales 134
company that developed an outside-in they put their customers first in all their percent while the S&P 500 has grown just 53
orientation by tackling its own internal decisions and actions. After all, that is what percent. Clearly, these firms have found
silos. business is about. Much to my surprise, I found something that allows them to be resilient in
that this was the exception rather than the rule both good times and bad.
for most businesses. If you look at this data for the period 1999
Times are tough for many businesses, yet to 2007, the results are even more striking:
some are holding their own, even thriving. Best "As I delved deeper into These companies delivered shareholder returns
Buy, Cisco, Target, Starbucks, and Jones Lang of over 130 percent while the S&P delivered 0.6
LaSalle come to mind. How do they do it? companies seeking to percent. They grew their sales 233 percent
According to a new book by Harvard Business become more while the S&P 500 has grown just 10 percent.
School's Ranjay Gulati, it is customer-centric
firms—those with a so-called outside-in customer-centric, the Q: What are some of the institutional
perspective—that are most resilient during barriers to developing an outside-in
turbulent markets.
biggest gap I discovered was orientation?
An outside-in perspective means that the one between awareness A: Developing an outside-in orientation is
companies aim to creatively deliver something difficult to achieve because it requires both
of value to customers, rather than focus simply and action." insight and action. Gaining real insights into
on products and sales. And Gulati's research, customers' needs demands more of companies
including interviews with 500 executives Most companies with an inside-out than those arising from typical market research.
spanning industries and geographies, asserts perspective become attached to what they The questions you ask of customers must be
that outside-in success is not confined to any produce and sell and to their own organizations. more profound and open-ended, with an intent
one sector. In contrast, the outside-in perspective starts not only to discover how your customers
"I see the move toward customer-centricity with the marketplace and delves deeply into the engage with your products or services but also
as a journey," explains Gulati. "It doesn't problems and questions customers are facing in to understand some of the broader parameters of
happen overnight. Based on my observation of their lives. It then looks for creative ways to the constraints they are facing in their own
combine its own capabilities with those of its

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lives. pieces of electronics, they would instead be upstream activities.


Collating and making sense of all that you bombarded with technical specifications. Level 3: The move from level 2 to level 3 is
learn about your customers is just the starting Furthermore, most women sought installation a major shift in both mindset and actions. The
point. From here, firms have to make a creative help from store staff but were turned away. focus here migrates from selling products
leap to discover the unique combination of Best Buy responded by reengineering the toward solving customer problems. In so doing,
products and services that may address those design of its stores and training some of its staff firms become adept at comprehending what
needs. No customer gave Steve Jobs and Apple to be generalists who could help women their customers' deep-rooted issues are and look
the design for the iPhone or the iPad. Rather, traverse their stores. In addition, Best Buy for ways to position themselves to address those
they came about from intense listening acquired Geek Squad to broaden its footprint issues. In trying to go from insight to action,
combined with a creative leap within their and into installation of equipment. The company these firms seek to make their internal silos
their partners' potential to tackle customers' applied the same concerted effort toward more permeable while also building bridges
perceived needs. And in some instances, firms serving other valuable customer segments it had across them wherever necessary. They shift
may be ahead of those needs and driving them. discovered, including small business owners their culture so that some of these ideas begin to
As I delved deeper into companies seeking and music aficionados. permeate and shape the behaviors and actions of
to become more customer-centric, the biggest All this helps explain why Best Buy is still their employees.
gap I discovered was the one between around while its main competitor Circuit City is Level 4: At level 4, firms become agnostic
awareness and action. Much to my surprise, in its grave. But this misses an important piece about whether they produce all the inputs they
even if an organization and its employees of the story that is documented in Reorganize provide to their customers and, akin to a general
became consummate listeners and tried to make for Resilience. None of this would have been contractor in construction, look for ways to
sense of what they were hearing, they were possible had Best Buy not undertaken, first, a assemble the appropriate pieces that may go
often immobilized to do much with their massive internal effort to educate its employees into tackling customers' challenges. A level 4
insights. Why? The more I researched, the more about the benefits of an outside-in perspective firm is more attached to producing solutions to
it became apparent that the problem had to do (it even launched a "customer- centricity customers' problems than it is to the products
with internal silos. Most organizations today are university" for employees) and, second, a and services it offers. This intellectual,
still typically built around product and monumental effort to mobilize action. From structural, and emotional transition means that
geography, and do not have a clear line of sight building cross-functional customer segment the company is no longer concerned whether
to the customer. These silos not only create units to creating additional teams that cut across the inputs it uses to solve customers' problems
proverbial blind spots for firms but also impede merchandizing, store operations, and segment are its own or assembled through a network of
coordinated action toward addressing what may owners, senior leadership at Best Buy saw to it partners.
be identified as central for their customers. that the entire organization embraced an
As I show in my book, you don't always outside-in approach. Q: You've talked primarily about
have to bust silos; in most instances, you business-to-consumer firms so far. How
sometimes have to simply find ways to bridge Q: How long does this process generally about businesses that aren't facing their
them. Ultimate success cannot come without a take? And what are the benchmarks of customers over display racks?
supple organization that has fluid internal and success? A: My study encompasses firms that span
external boundaries. A: I see the move toward industries and geographies, leading me to
customer-centricity as a journey. It doesn't believe that what I was observing were
Q: What is an example of a company that happen overnight. Based on my observation of fundamental shifts that transcended many
has been on this journey? companies for almost a decade, I map out four sectors.
A: Best Buy, the largest dedicated consumer levels that exemplify distinct stages through The global real estate company Jones Lang
electronics retailer in the United States, which companies may evolve on this journey. I LaSalle [JLL] is one of a number of
provides a good example of a company that would like to emphasize that this is not a business-to-business companies I studied that
developed an outside-in orientation by tackling journey to nirvana where every firm must seek was able to make a successful transition across
its own internal silos. Best Buy came to to be at the fourth level, but it does provide a the levels just discussed. One of JLL's main
understand that true customer centricity cannot road map of the steps along the way that firms clients, Bank of America [BofA], told JLL in
be achieved by simply listening to customers may either traverse or stop at. 2001 that it no longer wanted to deal with each
about their experiences with Best Buy; the Level 1: Companies at level 1 are very of JLL's business units independently. BofA
company has to commit to owning the product focused and have an "if I build it, they asked not only for a single point of contact but
customers' problems and working creatively to will buy it" mindset. The focus is on also wanted JLL to take care of its entire real
solve them. technological excellence with some diffuse estate needs worldwide. JLL saw this as an
Faced with increased price competition understanding of customers who may buy the opportunity to develop integrated solutions that
from retailers like Walmart as well as online product. would (1) serve other global corporate clients
retailers like Amazon, last decade Best Buy Level 2: Companies at level 2 have a basic and (2) develop capabilities in terms of both
began with a comprehensive segmentation of its understanding of their customers, typically global and local services.
customers. As part of this initiative, the coming from some market research and
company realized that although 55 percent of its segmentation studies. Many firms get lulled into "The role of employees is
customers were women, most of these women complacency at this stage. They start talking
did not enjoy their shopping experience at Best about customers and distinct segments and absolutely critical as
Buy. This was a store designed by guys for believe that this alone is an indicator that they companies strive for an
guys! Not only did the store layout not conform have now made the shift toward an outside-in
to the buying behavior of many women, but perspective. Frequently such firms still remain outside-in perspective."
also the store support staff were not always fundamentally oriented toward pushing
oriented to providing help in ways women products, albeit in a more refined and targeted The transformation took several years. The
wanted to be helped. For example, while way. Their market research starts to permeate results speak for themselves. Over the next
women were interested in learning about the their sales efforts but does not have much of an several years, close to 75 of some of the largest
functionality and interoperability of various impact on their product development and other firms in the world signed on with JLL for

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similar services. None of this would have been multipronged effort that ultimately shifts the • Connections—Expand the source of inputs
possible without a concerted effort on the part culture of the organization. and also complementary offerings beyond
of management to build up an entire unit of internal production units to external strategic
boundary spanners whose primary role was to Q: What are you working on now? partners
interface with their clients and make their A: I'm researching how companies can Coordination aligns tasks and information
experience with JLL seamless. As JLL leverage adversity for advantage and come out around a customer axis but doesn't necessarily
expanded its client base, the company realized of a recession stronger. Some of this research is lead to a collaborative environment, a hallmark
the limitations of trying to connect its distinct featured in a forthcoming article titled "Roaring of systemic integration. That requires the lever
service silos through such account managers Out of Recession" in the March 2010 issue of of cooperation—the alignment of goals. When
and eventually reconfigured its internal units the Harvard Business Review. I am also members of disparate or competing silos
around customers and markets. continuing my research on collaboration within cooperate around a common set of goals, they
and between firms. make adjustments more quickly and at lower
Q: Obviously, this process involves cost than in organizations in which the needs of
substantial changes in the way companies do
business. What can executives and managers
Excerpt from Reorganize for the silo come first. Cooperation, in turn, does
not solve the inevitable problems associated
do to motivate employees and ease the Resilience by Ranjay Gulati with the redistribution of power. To make
transition for the business to become more Today's customers expect solutions to their systemic integration work, clout must be in the
customer-centric? consumption problems, and they are utterly hands, and the capability to develop new
A: The role of employees is absolutely agnostic as to where those solutions come from. organization-spanning skills must be fostered
critical as companies strive for an outside-in To meet these customers where they are, and strengthened so frustrated managers don't
perspective. If the organization does not have companies, in turn, must become less focused fall back on their own silo-protecting skills.
people who can explore, comprehend, and meet on what they themselves produce and more Last, the capstone of all this work, and the
its customers' needs, the pursuit of focused on their customers' most pressing point where the need for resilience is greatest
customer-centricity is doomed from the start. needs—even when that carries them well and the greatest resilience is achieved, is
To me, a key distinction for managers to focus beyond their own borders, even indeed when connection: shrinking the core and expanding
on is the one between coordination and that means in essence dissolving themselves the periphery to join seamlessly with external
cooperation. into broader partnerships. They must ensure that partners to identify and solve customer
Coordination—the ability to work their organizational silos have been problems. The first four levers are the tactics for
together—involves the alignment of "hard" reconfigured, leveled, or spanned sufficiently to integration that rebuild an organization around a
phenomena: activities, processes, and guarantee an unimpeded line of sight to the customer axis. Connection is what finally busts
information. Most companies begin with this customer. Most important, they must also down the silo of the company itself. Only when
and simply assume that mandating shared tasks guarantee precisely the reverse: that the line of that is completed to an appropriate degree—at
and information exchange will suffice. It does sight from the customer into the organization is the intellectual level, the enterprise level, and
to a degree but can be severely limiting in how equally unimpeded, and in a final twist that the the emotional level—do firms achieve the
much firms can achieve. At best, they are able companies see themselves from the outside, shape-shifting holy grail of outside-in actions.
to respond in a somewhat coordinated fashion with their customers, so that they can help And, in achieving that, they achieve the
when customers come to them. What they don't wherever their customers are, in their hours of responsiveness and nimbleness that enable
get is proactive development of new ideas that greatest need. survival in the roughest of oceans.
can be taken to the market before the market The Resilience Toolkit: The five levers
comes to them. To achieve this loftier goal, you • Coordination—Alignment of activities,
need the second half of collaboration, which is processes, and information across units within About the author
cooperation. an organization Sarah Jane Gilbert is a Web product
Cooperation—the willingness to work • Cooperation—Alignment of goals, attitudes, manager for Harvard Business School's
together—involves the alignment of "soft" and behaviors across units within an Knowledge and Library Services.
phenomena: goals, attitudes, and behaviors, organization Excerpted with permission from Harvard
people-related issues. Most companies focus on • Clout—Assignment of power and decision Business Press. Reorganize for Resilience:
coordination among silos and pay insufficient rights to customer-facing individuals as well Putting Customers at the Center of Your
attention to encouraging employees to as those responsible for integration of Business by Ranjay Gulati. Copyright 2009
cooperate. And when they do consider activities across units within the organization Harvard Business School Publishing
cooperation, they rely too heavily on incentives • Capabilities—Development of Corporation. Purchase the book.
alone as the panacea. Those who get it right customer-facing generalists along with
recognize that changing behavior requires a product specialists

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