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Eijk , A. (Andre
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23/09/2009 03:42 a.m.
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Asunto RE: RE: EFRC Guidelines.

Dear Jaime,

- Sorry that I forgot the attachement about the support. Now I have attached it.
- If you take the cross -over frequencies of 10 Hz and 200 Hz you can count back the displacements and
accelerations. I have summarised in the tables below
- Let me know if you have other measurement data

Hopefully we can further help you in solving the vibration problem with an API 618 analysis or a field
survey.

Kind regards,

Summary of vibration displacement levels for different parts and key zones
Part Horizontal compressors Vertical compressors
[mm RMS] [mm RMS]
Key zones Key zones
A/B C D A/B C D
Foundation 0.0318 0.0477 0.0716 0.0318 0.0477 0.0716
Frame (top) 0.0844 0.1273 0.1910 0.0844 0.1273 0.1910
Cylinder (lateral) 0.1385 0.2546 0.3024 0.1703 0.2069 0.3820
Cylinder (rod) 0.1703 0.2069 0.3820 0.1385 0.2546 0.3024
Dampers 0.2021 0.3024 0.4536 0.2021 0.3024 0.4536
Piping 0.2021 0.3024 0.4536 0.2021 0.3024 0.4536

Summary of vibration velocity levels for different parts and key zones

Part Horizontal compressors Vertical compressors

[mm/s RMS] [mm/s RMS]
Key zones Key zones
A/B C D A/B C D
Foundation 2.0 3.0 4.5 2.0 3.0 4.5
Frame (top) 5.3 8.0 12.0 5.3 8.0 12.0
Cylinder (lateral) 8.7 13.0 19.5 10.7 16.0 24.0
Cylinder (rod) 10.7 16.0 24.0 8.7 13.0 19.5
Dampers 12.7 19.0 28.5 12.7 19.0 28.5
Piping 12.7 19.0 28.5 12.7 19.0 28.5
Summary of vibration accelerations levels for different parts and key zones

Part Horizontal compressors Vertical compressors

2 2
[m/s RMS] [m/s RMS]
Key zones Key zones
A/B C D A/B C D
Foundation 2.51 3.77 5.65 2.51 3.77 5.65
Frame (top) 6.66 10.05 15.08 6.66 10.05 15.08
Cylinder (lateral) 10.93 16.34 24.50 13.45 20.11 30.16
Cylinder (rod) 13.45 20.11 30.16 10.93 16.34 24.50
Dampers 15.96 23.88 35.81 15.96 23.88 35.81
Piping 15.96 23.88 35.81 15.96 23.88 35.81

André Eijk, Senior Consultant

TNO Science & Industry
Flow and Structural Dynamics
P.O.Box 155, 2600 AD Delft, NL
Phone: +31(0)152692133
Fax: +31(0)152692111

Please visit us at www.pulsim.com

Please note our tyraining course "Topics in Pulsation,
Vibration and Noise Control in Process Installations"
from 3-4 November 2009. We can also organise inhouse training courses from 1-3 days in which the course content will focus on
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From: jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com [mailto:jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com]

Sent: dinsdag 22 september 2009 21:11
To: Eijk, A. (Andre)
Subject: RE: RE: EFRC Guidelines.

Dear Andre :
- Yes, we are going to fix with good supports.
- I did not receive the attach with supports
- I think are an error at the paste of pictures of levels. I am going to talk with the technician to fix the information and
re-send you.

Come back to crossover frecuencies, got you some to read about cross frecuencies betwen velocity, accel,
displacement ( guide limit frecuencies ). You mention :

" During the workshop it was agreed that both the

vibration displacements, vibration velocities and
vibration accelerations should be measured and
must be within the specified vibration levels of
the guideline. "

In your paper and in the paper of de EFRC , I just found the limits for velocities,

Besides, in the ISO 10816 - 6, the Table containes values , but is not clear about the data. E.G: if I have 7,07 mm/s in
vel, the limits are 113 microns millimeter for displacement and 11,1 m/s2 in accel ?

Best, Jaime.

"Eijk, A. (Andre)" <andre.eijk@tno.nl>

"Eijk, A. (Andre)"
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21/09/2009 05:47 a.m.
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AsuntoRE: RE: EFRC Guidelines.

Dear Jaime,

Spanish is difficult to read for me but with the help of one of my colleagues we could understand this. I
came to the following conclusions:
- From the photos I conclude that several supports are dynamically loose which means that they are not
able to restrain the dynamic motions. If you could fix the supports with good rigid clamp supports instead
of only rest supports the vibrations will be reduced.
- If rigid clamp type supports are not possible to install due to thermal reasons, spring hold down type
supports can be applied. I have summarised this in the attached document.
- From the results from the vibration measurements it appeared that the highest vibratiosn occur at 1
times (and also at 3 times) the compressor speed of compressor K-96 or K-60. Is the compressor running
at partial load because in most of the cases if a compressor is running at full load one should also expect
vibrations of 1 times the compressor speed.
- From the measurements it is not clear in which direction the highest vibration levels occur. Normally the
measurements should be carried out in 3 directions. Can you indicate the direction?
- We don't understood the overall vibration levels for all of the locations. E.g. the highest level at location
Linea de vento a flear (second measurement picture of the vibration report) is at one times the
compressor speed and is approximately 7 mm/s. However, the overall level is 44.39 mm/s RMS. can you
explain this.
- If the measured values are correct, they indeed are too high. You can take the guidelines from my paper

We can help you in solving the vibration problem by means of pulsation+vibrations measurements (field
survey) and also by means of a pulsation and mechanical response analysis according API 618.
We have been in this business for 40 years and have a large track record on these type of projects

Kind regards,

André Eijk, Senior Consultant

TNO Science & Industry
Flow and Structural Dynamics
P.O.Box 155, 2600 AD Delft, NL
Phone: +31(0)152692133
Fax: +31(0)152692111

Please visit us at www.pulsim.com

Please note our tyraining course "Topics in Pulsation,
Vibration and Noise Control in Process Installations"
from 3-4 November 2009. We can also organise inhouse training courses from 1-3 days in which the course content will focus on
the clients interest.

From: jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com [mailto:jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com]

Sent: vrijdag 18 september 2009 19:09
To: Eijk, A. (Andre)
Subject: RE: RE: EFRC Guidelines.

Andre, sending you First and Partial vibration test, with spectrum. This is why I request you about crossover
frecuencies. For the Pulsation Test we have a Dynalco. We are dealing to get the isometrics of piping for modeling
piping and mounting re-design.

This is the first - starting alarm report. :

(See attached file: Reporte La Porfiada _Sep09.pdf)(See attached file: Microsoft Word -
Informe Preliminar Soportes Planta Compresora.pdf)

Regards, Jaime.

"Eijk, A. (Andre)" <andre.eijk@tno.nl>

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18/09/2009
10:33 a.m. AsuntoRE: RE: EFRC
Guidelines.

Jaime,

It is even possible that higher orders of the compressor (e.g. 2, 3 ....which is than 2*13.5=27 Hz,
3*13.5=40.5 Hz, etc) can excite a mechanical natural frequency of the piping.
Have you made a frequency spectrum and are you sure that only the 1st order is present?
Please send me the results of the pulsation measurements (I assume that you will do this with a piezo
electric device which contacts the gas) so I can have a look at it.
Have you any photos of the problem area?

Kind regards,

André Eijk, Senior Consultant

TNO Science & Industry
Flow and Structural Dynamics
P.O.Box 155, 2600 AD Delft, NL
Phone: +31(0)152692133
Fax: +31(0)152692111
Please visit us at www.pulsim.com
Please note our tyraining course "Topics in Pulsation,
Vibration and Noise Control in Process Installations"
from 3-4 November 2009. We can also organise inhouse training courses from 1-3 days in which the course content will focus on
the clients interest.

From: jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com [mailto:jaime.sarubbe@petrobras.com]

Sent: vrijdag 18 september 2009 15:19
To: Eijk, A. (Andre)
Subject: Re: RE: EFRC Guidelines.

Andre, the frecuencie is 13.5 Hz. because the machines are running at 810 rpm. , and the
vibrations adquired with an overall instrument . Next week we are going to re-test con
acelerometer.
And next week going to perform an Pulsation test looking for gas pulse .
In fact we are planning 2 activities, to solve the problem. One to re-design foundations of
piping, second to look for gas pulse.

Best, Jaime

Ing.Mant.Compresión de Gas
Petrobras Cuenca Austral

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