Please refer to the comments in the attached CRS

Sr. STR. 03-05-20

 COMMENTS RESOLUTION SHEET (CRS)
Project: PROJECT ALAR HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, LUSAIL, QATAR
Contractor: Man Enterpise, Qatar
Reviewed By (SCG): Name: Mohamed Bahgat Position: Sr. Structural Engineer
Reviewed By (SCG): Name: Position:
SCG Trans. No.
Drawing Part
Item / Doc. Reviewer's Name Reviewer Comments
Section
1. the contractor should provide the mentioned computer analysis and
design Staad Pro model and to include input and output diagrams,
1 showing ultimate factor of safety, actual/allowable stress and deflection
ratios, etc. and attach all reference tables with marking showing the
used values.
2. provide references to the relevant project specs and IFC drawings,
2 showing compliance or justifications of any deviation. Also, reference
for MAR material approval -if any- should be provided.
3. the contractor should attache all the manufacturer loading data used
3 Noted and complied.
in the calculation with proper highlight to the used values.
4. for the steel beam connection design, provide analysis and design of
steel brackets considering the mentioned two cases of loading and to
4 Noted and complied.
show the factors taken for impact and operating/emergency brake
forces.
5. provide welding size and relevant calculation for all provided
5 calculation and No any identification of any welding
weldings for steel brackets
6. provide the design forces on the anchor bolts and highlight these
values from the model reactions. Also, M12 & M16 bolts should be HDG
6 Complied.
and bolts resisting capacity should be mentioned and
properly/specifically highlighted.
7. provide analysis and design of Guide Rail steel brackets considering
the mentioned two cases of loading and to show and highlight
7 Complied.
manufacturer given applied loads and consider factors taken for impact
and operating/emergency brake forces.
8. same comments 5 & 6 are applicable for GuideRail steel brackets,
8 Complied.
anchor bolts, and welding.
9. The contractor should provide complete analysis and design for the
Machine bed details. Provide machine operating loads, steel framing
9 connections details, analysis & design of steel
layout and section, analysis & design of steel members inputs/outputs,
welding and anchor bolts details as commented before.
10. The contractor should provide hosting hook design and adequacy to
10 Complied.
safely carry manufacturer given loads.
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1st Clarification
Complied. Please refer to attached
Staad model calculation.
Complied. Please see attached Material Although, please note that as per specs, All
approval.
Complied. Welding and reference
calculation is included.
Machine and load details are shown in
the approved shop drawings;
PAL-MAN-Z1-ALL-SDW-TC-LF-0006-
002
PAL-MAN-Z1-ALL-SDW-TC-LF-0007-
002
PAL-MAN-Z4-ALL-SDW-TC-LF-0005-
002
Shaker Remarks
the contractor should include the model, analysis and Kindly refer page number 12 and 13 for car & cwt
design of rail bracket directly fixed to the separation
steel beam and the other case where counterweight
rail together with lift rail is fixed to the steel separation FX and Fy loads acting on fixing area, also
beam.
MAR material document does not include information
of the supporting steel framing material properties.
inaccessible steel shall be properly protected against
corrosion for the design life of the Works. Provide a
description of steel protection.
the contractor should show the locations of the
Reaction Forces given in Table, where is the location of
forces P1 to P10 to recognize the loading on the steel
members. Some forces we can not trace.
please note that reaction forces Fx & Fy applied to the
P10 load is not required to add in the rail bracket
guide rail which is offsite to the steel separation beam
loads , due to P10 load will act during the safety
and produce moment due to eccentricity. Also, the P10
gear activated, which is directly distributed to earth
reaction must be considered in the design. Also, refer level.
to note #13 & 14
the contractor Did Not include any welding design
Complied. Please find attached herewith welded
details
size.
the M16 bolt calculated one time as chemical fix
Anchor Rod HIT-V with HY 200 adhesive and again
followed with marking of mechanical HAS Expansion
Anchors M16 & M12. which type of fixing will be used
and confirm where M12 will be used.
Guide Rail steel brackets have Four different framing
types (directly connected to concrete, connected to
separation beam, and joint in one C shape frame with
counterweight guide connected to concrete or
separation beam). All cases should be addressed in the
calculation considering and mentioning the maximum
case of SL & PL in the project. Also, refer to note #15
the contractor Did Not include any calculation for the
different steel brackets design, anchor bolts based on
reactions, or welding size design.
the contractor Did Not include or comply with any of
Rev.0 comment #9. please provide complete analysis
and design for the Machine bed steel members and
members inputs/outputs, welding and anchor bolts
details. consider different types of support framing as
per SDW for different SL & PL sizes and dimensions.
the pad plate 16mm thk should not be checked for
tension capacity against the hooking force!!!!. The
lifting eye itself should be checked for tension capacity
and the plate should be checked for stresses due to
lifting eye forces and the restraint by the anchor bolts
which should be designed. moreover, this detail is
totally different than the D25mm HDG steel bar hook
provided in SDW.
Incoming Drawing/Document Details
Doc. No. PAL-MAN-ZALL-ALL-TS-ST-0005 Docs Rev: 2
Title: Structural Calculation Connection Design for Elevator Works Date Rec: 02-Apr-20
Discipline: ST Approval
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Contractor Response
2nd Clarification Shaker Remarks 3rd Clarification Shaker Remarks Status (O/C)
Complied.
Kindly refer page number 16~21 staad analysis details.
The model calculation was considered car and counter-
bracket staad analysis details. The model
this comment related to section 5 the analysis and weight rail brackets Fx and Fy loads acting on fixing area, Moment resulting from connection eccentricity to be
calculation was considered car and cwt rail brackets Open
design of rail bracket itself. See attachment also measured the distributed loads into both side wall added
brackets. kindly refer page number 10~12 for Factory car
measured the distributed loads into both side wall
and counter-weight brackets details.
brackets.
Complied.
in page #6 Description of structure/Materials.
The same grade material used for supporting steel
mentioned All members used in the structure are The same grade material used for supporting steel material Material grade S275 JR and sandblasting with Zinc-rich
material for steel separator beam fixing. Kindly Closed
specified as ASTM A36/Grade S275 JR. please confirm for steel separator beam fixing. epoxy paint coating 40 μ micron
request to refer page number 17~19 for Design
all steel members are galvanized to Minimum of 150 μ
supporting steel model calculation details
Kindly refer page number 40 for P1~P4 loads Page numbers inuclded in the Rev-3
details , which is machine bed reaction loads first, the calc. without page numbering. Second, PDF Kindly refer page number 48 for P1~P4 loads details ,
Kindly refer page number 45 for P6~P9 loads page number 40 & 45 are title cover page for section which is machine bed reaction loads
details , which is pit buffer reaction loads 8 & 10. third, the comment is asking for the point of Kindly refer page number 57 for P6~P9 loads details , No Further comment Closed
Kindly refer page number 45 for P10 loads details , application of these forces, please highlight the which is pit buffer reaction loads
which is rail reaction load location of the forces on you shop drawings Kindly refer page number 57 for P10 loads details , which is
rail reaction load.
First, the force P10 when safety gear is active should
be considered in the design where it is active in the
emergency case when the running speed exceeds the
set speed due to any failure reason which may happen
thyssenkrupp already confirmed that the P10 load is not
at any level and there is no path for the force to be
required to be added in the rail bracket loads, as P10 load Noted, Guide rail base connection to the lift bit should
transferred to the RC pit. Second, and again the guide Open
will come into force only ducring afety gear activation be provided accordingly.
rail forces Fx & P10 are eccentric to the steel
which is directly distributed to earth level.
separation beam by 293 to 513 mm and produce
moment due to eccentricity which should be
considered in the design of separation beam and
connections
although the weld calculation is not reflecting the although the weld calculation for separator beam
connection members, there are many other welds and connection is provided, there are many other welds
connections should be calculated, where is guide rail Rev-3 included. Please refer page numbers 8,9 and 10. and connections should be calculated, like missing Open
connection welding, where is C-shape frame with guide rail connection welding, missing C-shape frame
counterweight guide welds. with counterweight guide welds.
Complied.
Anchor bolt design calculation made for HY-200 and
the provided calculation is for M16 chemical anchor
please find attached reviseddocument for the same
there are no calculations for M12 bolts, and what Kindly Refer page numbers 10~13 for M12 bolt fixing bolt checked for separator beam fixing. While your
page number 26.
about the guide rail connection to concrete, what details from factroy. thyssenkrupp already confirmed that statement ThyssenKrupp already confirmed M12 bolt
Open
about C-shape bracket connection to RC, where are car and counter weight design made based on EN code fixing for car and counterweight. no calculations for
M16 will use for Wall bracket fixing.
the details and design/check of anchor bolts. compliance. M12 bolts. Missing guide rail connection to concrete,
M12 bolts will use for car & cwt bracket fixing on
what about C-shape bracket connection to RC
steel beam or wall
Complied as noted. maybe the comment is not clear enough, please installation and assembly manual is not a design
Kindly Refer the page numbers 10~13 for the design and
The steel separate beam length is verified the size provide the design and details of the Guide Rail steel document, at least provide the worst-case design of
details of the Guide Rail steel brackets include the different
from 2.07m to 3.12m. The maximum steel separate brackets include the different fixing conditions the Guide Rail steel brackets from the different fixing
fixing conditions. (directly connected to concrete,
beam length is 3.12m (SL1~SL3 Lifts). hence we (directly connected to concrete, connected to conditions (directly connected to concrete, connected Open
connected to separation beam, joint in one C shape frame
have considered guide rail bracket calculation based separation beam, joint in one C shape frame with to separation beam, joint in one C shape frame with
with counterweight guide connected to concrete or
on service Lifts, which is higher and safe for all Lifts counterweight guide connected to concrete or counterweight guide connected to concrete or
separation beam).
passenger and service lifts separation beam). separation beam).
Complied as noted.
We have followed 200 x 200mm steel beam for all
common shaft lifts and factory calculation made for For Steel separator beams: Kindly refer the page number
again, maybe the comment is not clear enough, the
SL1~SL3 service lifts. the achieved result are meets 15 for steel beam factory calcualtion and page number 16 installation and assembly manual is not a design
comment is asking for calculation for the different
the allowed criteria , Hence, all others passenger ~21 for stadd model. document, car and counter weight steel bracket Open
steel brackets design, anchor bolts based on reactions,
Lifts design calculation result will not exceed the For car and counter weight bracket: Kindly refer the page details, welding, and anchors are missing
or welding size design
service lifts results. Also, we have considered same number 10~13
type guide rail (car) T114/B and (cwt) T75 3/B for
all Lifts.
this reply does not help, we are asking for the design
We have provided all machine bed reaction load Kindly refer the page number 48~51 for machine bed
of the framing system and connections supporting the the design of the machine bed framing system and
and not able to provide the machine bed details and factory details and attached letter is stating that the Open
machine. Nothing confidential here, we did not ask connections is still missing.
calculation due to factory confidential documents machine bed design are made based EN code
anything related to the machine itself.
Noted and Complied.
we have provided two type of hoisting hook details,
based on site condition where the slab is already
completed, will follow any of one method. Kindly
refer page number 44 for removing hoisting hook lifting hooks are subject to tension forces of 30kN , Kindly Refer page number 55 for lifting hooks tension
No Further comment Closed
deign details. The another method of fixing hosing please also provide tension capacity check forces of 30 kN details.
hook considered HDG 25mm rod. Actually for 30 KN
load enough 20mm diameter mild steel ROD.
Design calculation included in the revised
documents page number 42.
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Project: PROJECT ALAR HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, LUSAIL, QATAR Incoming Drawing/Document Details

Contractor: Man Enterpise, Qatar Doc. No. PAL-MAN-ZALL-ALL-TS-ST-0005 Docs Rev: 2

Reviewed By (SCG): Name: Mohamed Bahgat Position: Sr. Structural Engineer Title: Structural Calculation Connection Design for Elevator Works Date Rec: 02-Apr-20

Reviewed By (SCG): Name: Position: Discipline: ST Approval

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SCG Trans. No. Doc Type: TS

Drawing Part Contractor Response

Item / Doc. Reviewer's Name Reviewer Comments
Section 1st Clarification Shaker Remarks 2nd Clarification Shaker Remarks 3rd Clarification Shaker Remarks Status (O/C)

Rev 0 tk comments complied based on Lifts all equipment’s

11. the contractor shall clearly indicate the vertical and horizontal
11 seismic design loads considered in the design of all steel brackets and
Guide Rail as per specs Section 14 2000 - Elevators/2.4/D.
the contractor Did Not mention any statement or
clarification of that vertical and horizontal seismic
Complied.
design loads as per project specs were considered in
the design
the contractor is kindly requested to clarify how this
comment complied in Rev.0 and in the current Rev.01
Qatar is in zone zero, also please refresh your
Qatar is under seismic zone zero
information and refer to QCS2014/Section 01:
General/Part 01: Introduction/1.5.2 Site Conditions/
clause 9.0
design are meet with EN 81-20/50 code.
seismic design be considered in the design of all steel
The QCS2014/Section 01: General/Part 01:
brackets and Guide Rail as per specs Section 14 2000 - Open
Introduction/1.5.2 Site Conditions/ clause 9.0 said “The
Elevators/2.4/D.
seismic design for all building structure shall be based upon
local seismic accelerations recommended as per ASCE 7-
10, IBC 2012 or BS EN 1998-1:2004 ”

Rev 0 tk comments complied based on Lifts all equipment’s

12. the contractor should generally follow as per project specs design are meet with EN 81-20/50 code for all perfromance
Complied all the project requirements including
12 PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS for loads and required resistance Complied. comment still valid. nothing to comment !!!!! requirments . No Further comment Closed
performance requirements under section-C
strength.

Factory calculation made 3.12m beam length. The

13. as per the design criteria the mentioned maximum
Complied. Kindly refer page number 8 for steel nothing changed, calculations considered 2.1 m beam indicating E=2.1 x 10 power of 6 is formula of deflation.
13 steel separate beam is 3.12m while calculations No Further comment Closed
beam length 3.12m steel beam factory calculation in the analysis and design. See marking on calcs. The same was clarified during our site meetings on 28-03-
considered 2.1 m beam in the analysis and design. 2020

14. the steel brackets (100x100x10 Angles) connecting

separation beam to the concrete wall should be
verified for weld size checks. Angle checks show wrong Welded details are included in the attached revised
14 refer to comments 5 Rev-3 included. Please refer page numbers 8,9 and 10. No Further comment Closed
units of Mcap as kN.m while it should be M=1.2375 document, page no 20.
N.mm and accordingly the angle is unsafe for applied
Mu=0.10 kN.m.

15. the steel brackets (Angles) connecting guide rail to

separation beam should be verified for dimensions,
15 stresses, deflections, welding size checks and bots size kindly refer above point number 7 and 8
and checks considering the Table of Reaction Forces by
the manufacturer.
16. calculations for steel base plate, anchor bolts, and
steel vertical members for lift pits designed for the
16 loads P1 & P3 given by the manufacturer as per SDW
should be included. Also to verify the adequacy of the
RC pit slab against all applied pit loads.
we have given required pit reaction loads, main
contactor to considered pit slab as per thessenkrupp anchor bolts, and steel vertical members for lift pits
requirement. MAN to reply
kindly refer above point number 7 and 8. Factory details installation and assembly manual is not a design
refer to above comments Open
included. document, refer to the reply of comment 7
MAN shall verify with MZP and ThyssenKrupp is kindly
requested to reply "calculations for steel base plate,
MZP has included in their calculation lifts loads at raft and
No Further comment Closed
at RC walls.
designed for the loads P1 & P3 given by the
manufacturer as per SDW should be included."

Kindly note that pit lader doest have any static loads. This
17. the contractor should provide full material the refered SDW is the one missing the required
is used only during maintenance. As per the details shown Full Details to to be provided in shop drawings and
17 information, design calculation, fixing details for the pit Kindly refer page number 47 pit ladder details material information, design calculation, fixing details Closed
in the approved Shop drawings installation will carry out material
ladder. (nothing added here)
during the handing over of elevators.

18. as the project spec 14 2000/PART 3
execution/3.1/D/1/c. The elevator Contractor shall
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provide all equipment with vibration isolation to ensure No vibration transmitted to building structure.
03-05-20 no vibrations are transmitted to building structure
19. please note that the resolution of some tables,
HILTI design, blow-up details are not clear enough to
recognize numbers, figures or dimensions. Please
19 make sure the submittal is readable with acceptable
resolution. Also, please provide attachment section for
clear SDW with highlights when needed for easy
reference.
Kindly refer the page number 48~51 for machine bed
this reply does not help, please provide evidence or
details with fixing details from factory. The isolation rubber vibration isolation design to comply with project
Complied. provide all equipment with vibration isolation to
to be fixing under the machine bed for reduce the vibration. acoustic requirement shall be provided within this Open
ensure no vibrations are transmitted to building
The all vibration and jerk criteria design based EN code submittal or separatly
structure as per the project specs.
compliance.
please make sure, table figures, sketches within the
Noted and Complied. Noted and Complied. No Further comment Closed
calculations are not clear to read

20. the calculation should be stamped by 3rd party Noted. tkEQ already provided the stamped
20 structural design consultant same like Rev.0, not to calculation but as per MAN request we were asked stamp required after resolving the above comments Noted to be complied Open
stamp the cover page only. to use the rev0 documents to revise.

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Contractor shall attach completed CRS with next submission with responses to the Reviewers Comments.

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