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ABCD series_Authorised, bogus, charishmatic leaders-part 2

13-08-26

BY HG Radheshyam Prabhuji

Glimpse of part 1:
So last time in the last class I spoke something which I'm going to continue now this time, you
remember A B C D four types of gurus I had written on the board who is A?
Devotees: Authorized sampradaya.
Authorized sampradayas, so like the four sampradaya as we explained, and the B?
Devotees: Bogus sampradaya, so there are from Authorised sampradaya there are deviations and
gradually over a period of time it doesn't look like sampradaya anymore. Because the over emphasis
comes on Krishna or over emphasis comes on guru. If there is over emphasis on only Krishna, what
happens? It becomes.
Devotees: Sahijya
if there is over emphasis only on guru becomes…
Devotees: Mayavadis

Guru and Krishna both are important:

Yeah, we are giving many examples for the same. So shastras say,

yasya deve parā bhaktir, yathā deve tathā gurau

tasyaite kathitā hy arthāḥ, prakāśante mahātmanaḥ [Śvetā śvatara Upaniṣad 6.23]

Two things are mentioned here, yasya deve ,deve is lord Krishna, para bhaktir, yathā deve tathā gurau.
So, dev and guru both are important. If you catch hold on to only one out of the two, then we are going
to miss although the shastras say you cannot approach Krishna without guru. That doesn't mean you
have except Guru as God and you forget Krishna. On the other hand, some people in the name of
holding on to Krishna they remain kanishtha adhikari, rejecting guru and become sahijyas.

Bogus line of Authorities:

So we were talking about these bogus sampradayas. Why are we calling sampradayas? Because they
also have sometimes one bogus guru after another coming up and they will sometimes put a line Also,
don't get allured by somebody showing our lineage of 10 people or 20 people there are many, they may
have such a bogus line of authorities also so called authorities. And C stands for?
Devotees: charismatic hijackers.
Yes, about that I will talk today also charismatic hijackers. I'll talk about that. And D stands for?
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Devotees: Demoniac misleaders.
Yeah, about that I said something, do you remember, who are the demoniac misleaders?
Devotees: Mayavadis.
Yes, who cheat the living entity of his original position.

Book which make you feel like committing suicide:

See when I was in my school days, I got a small pocket book. Actually, that's what inspired me to bring
out pocket books now also. This was also a pocket book. One famous Swami of India had written that
book Naunyar. Naunyar means who am I and some oceans, tides are shown on the cover page. I was
very curious. In my inquisitiveness, I purchased that book, very cheap five or six rupees. But it opened
the book and read. The book was saying, who am I, I am nothing, I have everything all is one, one is all.
We have to just merge into the cosmic consciousness. Like that the whole book is all blah, blah, blah,
blah. At the end of reading the book, you feel like committing suicide. (Devotees laugh) There is no
juice and that there is no rasa in that. There is no element of any substance in that. I got so confused, I
tore it into pieces and they threw it out, after finishing that book.

“Great soul who follow Lord’s guidance surely achieve him”

If affected by raga-dvesha can’t achieve Krishna:

So that those were the days I was inquiring going from organization to organization looking for the
truth. So actually, many people who read the books eventually get fed up with God and philosophy and
they turn to sense gratification because at least there is some substance there. They think like that,
because something tangible something achievable people in this world poor fellows they can, they can
get cheated like this fortunately I got proper gurus after that. You will read in [B.G-4.10] Prabhupada
writes.

vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā, man-mayā mām upāśritāḥ

bahavo jñāna-tapasā, pūtā mad-bhāvam āgatāḥ [B.G-4.10]

My dear Arjuna, there are many, many great souls in the past who have become purified by following
the guidance given by me and by the jñā na-tapasā . They have achieved me also, but there are many
others who don't achieve me. Why? Because they are affected by raga-dvesha, he says. Either they have
that Prabhupada explains three types of people. You can read that purport actually sometimes.

Frustrated by many philosophies:

One type of people prabhupad says as they get frustrated by reading all kinds of philosophies and get
confused, or not able to achieve any tangible true realization of God. So because of that they don't know
what to do and where to go and who is the right person to take shelter? Like, like Prabhupad says in the
Bhagavatam, one. In the forest of material enjoyment, there is one example given. If somebody takes
shelter of a guru, who's a bogus guru, what is it like?

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Jumping into a 2 feet deep river:
It's like climbing up a tree, and from there jumping into a river thinking that I will take a dive into the
river. But the only problem is the river is only two feet deep, what will happen and you're diving upside
down to your head first and legs up. You're likely to break your skull in a shallow river, is it not true?
So, the in the same manner. There are so many demoniac Misleaders, so called the gurus they wander
about in this world creating the damage to the world. They don't lead people to God. They lead, they
make the people even more bound.

Make Science your deity, that's all?

Like I heard that once this Dr. Kalam and another Shankar Acharya, I don't know who it is. But they
were having a meeting where youths were called from 5000 to 10,000 youths were called. And they both
are telling, make advancement in science, science is your deity, send rockets to other planets. That's the
goal of life. Because you all are students, that's your karma, you should do that. And this was the
essence of the lecture. So, the problem is what in this, somebody is wearing this dress, Saffron dress,
ropes of a sadhu, and he is posing himself as a very big guru and Acharya and along, tying up and shoot
another big politician coming to the stage and telling people just go to hell. Of course, he won’t say go
to hell that's what they're saying just work hard, enjoy earn money. And you know, send rockets to other
planets that’s the goal of your life. Make Science, your deity, that's all. And this is what they know about
God. They don't know anything beyond this. They are so entirely foolish.

Check who is teaching the truth:

Similarly, the same Shankara-acharya’s mathas today if you see they accept only born brahmanas. If
you're born in a brahmana family wear a sacred thread, you will get a red carpet welcome there. And if
you're not a born brahmana, you are from any other caste, you'll be rejected under and many paper
interviews newspaper interviews, they have openly said that that this is a way we accept. Yeah. So but
our movement gives open Welcome to everybody. You can be American you can be Australian, you can
be Russian Canadian and India also can be born in a shudra family. You can be born the chandala family
also. Cow-flesh eaters and butchers have become the paramhamsa vaishnavas in our movement, is it so
you can see with your eyes, who is teaching the truth, who is Prabhupad made the most degraded people
into most exalted people.

Bhagvad dharma and its knower:

So, there are many demoniac Miss leaders like this in society. So we were discussing about these
categories of different categories of people posing as gurus. And then this was one part where we were
spending some time then another part was, so if you really want in this world to attain the lotus feet of
God, how to attain, then I was quoting that verse dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [S.B-6.3.19]
spoken by yamaraja. Vishnu-dutas yama-dutas dialogue we were talking a little bit and how yama-dutas
didn’t know something about the Vedic literature, being the reference plane for the Dharma Those Vedic
literatures coming from Vishnu also, but they were not knowing the finer principles of Dharma, which

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are called Bhagvad-dharma. And the Bhagvad-dharma is known to whom 12 Mahajan’s. So, we told the
names and each of those Mahajan’s is a very outstanding Mahajan because they have surrendered to
Krishna even in the worst of the demanding situations. So, we were telling about one Mahajana,
Devotees: Bali Maharaja.
Elaborated on how he was put into a great trial. in that trial situation also he surrendered completely.
And every one of the Mahajana you will see in the same manner they have surrendered.

Goal of Bhagavad dharma:

And so what is the goal of Bhagvad-dharma in one sentence, what is the goal of Bhagvad-dharma?
Devotee: To surrender to Lord.
My Lord it’s a very general thing very general statement.
Devotee: To follow mahajana.
To follow mahajana, okay. All right, these are all right answers. I'm looking for a very specific answer.
What is the goal of the Bhagvad-dharma? What did Prahlad tell his friends? He's also one of the
mahajana. Isn’ it? What is the goal he said of life?
Devotee: To not break God's laws?
Okay. All right. Not a very big answer. Not a great answer. What is the goal of Bhagvad-dharma? Yeah.
Devotee: To revive love of god.

“The loving relationship that exists between the Lord and devotees is actually
the essence of Bhagavad dharma”

Anucit vastu and bruhacit vastu:

Yeah, that is it. Do you remember I told you anucit vastu bruhacit vastu ,who is anucit vastu ? We are
all anucit vastu anu means tiny. Chid vastu means conscious entity. And who is Bruhcit vastu Krishna.
And the loving relationship that exists between the two is actually the essence of dharma. Revive that
love and once that law is forgotten we love some nonsense in this world, if you don't have that, that love
pure love, you see.

“Instead of negative behavior, neutral behavior is all right for very mischievous child”

Attires many but goal is love of God:

So, Bhagvad-dharma means love of God and you can wear a Christian attire externally or Muslim attire,
Sikkh attire, Hindu attire, any kind of attire, attire means dress and for you know, some external
representations, somebody can put a cross ✞, somebody can have a crescent moon ☪️ , somebody can
have a swastika 卐 , you can have whatever symbol you want. But all religions in essence teach this one
thing love of God in various ways. So, actually, but not all religion may teach love of God because some
religions approach its goal in a very weak way. For example, if you tell a child that you sit facing the

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wall and touch your finger with the nose like this and keep Silent for one hour can a child do that he will
get bored he will open his eyes and only see the wall, wall and he cannot see anything. Of course a very
mischievous child you know may be made to sit like this silently. So, instead of negative behavior,
neutral behavior is all right. Compared to negative behavior, isn't it? So, for whom silence is good, one
who is extremely mischievous silence is good, but if somebody can already be silent, then you have to
give them positive activity, is it not true.

“Once the love of God is forgotten we love some nonsense in this world”

That is not goal of religion:

So, there are many religions in the world, which teach how to you know, keep mum how to keep silent.
So, that is no goal of religion actually that is, that is only to first of all stop or nonsense or that silence is
required after the religion should begin, which is love of God, a positive engagement.

Modern Mahajanas following 12 mahajanas in our line:

So, we were talking about the Mahajanas. Now, Srila Bhaktivinod thakura, in his writings he has
mentioned, that many of these mahajanas were great kings wearing mukut wearing kundala traveling in
golden chariots and you know holding big kingdoms having elephant’s horses, how many of you have
these things with you? Now? How many of you have kings wearing makuta and kundala and running a
whole kingdom isn't it? So there are these are ancient Mahajan. So he says there are ancient Mahajan
and modern mahajanas. So who are the modern Mahajanas in the line disciplic line, you will find
acharyas like Baladev Vidyabhushan ,Vishwanath Chakravarthy Thakur, which are at the top you have
similarly Bhaktivinod Thakur you know, Gaur Kishore das Babaji ,Bhaktisidhanta saraswati Thakur
Shrila Prabhupad. So these are the recent Mahajanas. So Mahajanas are not only those 12 people
anybody who strictly adheres to the Mahajana’s philosophy. They also can be called as mahajanas.

Who is a Mahatma:
So, Mahatma is not a rubber stamp, but Mahatma is a qualification it’s not a rubber stamp Mahatma
Gandhi, Mahatma Phule, Mahatma Dubey you know people put a rubber stamp. So, any Tom Dick and
Harry cannot label anybody as Mahajan. Mahatma, Mahatma means one has to qualify for it. And what
are the qualifications of Mahatma are also explained,
mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha, daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ. [B.G-9.13]
There is anatarang prakriti and bahiranga prakriti one who has taken shelter of spiritual potency fully 24
by seven they don't give anything other than Krishna. They have no other business like Prabhupad had a
pharmaceutical business, but he gave it all up. Family, society friends everything Krishna became his
only goal. That's what he was giving. Even as a businessman. He was giving out Krishna so much later
on he exclusively was giving out Krishna fully and he was 24 by seven thinking about Krishna, how to
propagate this mission of Krishna consciousness. So Mahatma has no other business.
 Mahatma is not a nationalist.

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  Mahatma is not a social welfare worker.
 Mahatma is not a philanthropist.
 Mahatma is not a person who is a protector of animals alone. Some dogs or you know
something. Yeah.
 Mahatma is not only a Go-rakshak.

“Mahatma is not a rubber stamp, but Mahatma is a qualification”

Actually, we should love cows because cows are dear to Krishna. Not because you feel sympathy for
sympathy for them alone. So in the same manner Mahatma Do you see why I'm telling you these things.
Don’t label it as spiritual:
These are all in a compassion on the material platform. What I told you now philanthropy, social service
nationalism, working for the cause of downtrodden, you know, working for the cause of have nots and
exploited ones. And we don't say these are bad. If somebody wants to do you can do but don't label it as
spiritual, it has nothing to do with spiritual. See, spiritual life if you can start like a body, these are like a
shadow. When you do spiritual life, these welfare activities will automatically follow. But holding onto
the shadow and claiming to be spiritual is foolishness. You understand?

Follow Krishna everything will be followed:

So, one should very clearly know the difference between the two Mahatma is actually one who only
gives Krishna and is fully confident. If we give Krishna. Everything else will follow. Other things will
automatically follow he is convinced about it. Like that the verse is there no,

śraddhā’-śabde — viśvāsa kahe sudṛḍha niścaya

kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya [CC Madhya-22.62]

“Mahatma is actually one who only gives Krishna and is fully

confident. If we give Krishna. Everything else will follow”

He says Krishna Bhakti kr lenge toh sab kuchh ho jayenga apne aap everything will come to me if I do
Krishna Bhakti and not only to me to everybody, if everybody follows this one thing, if they become
Krishna conscious, they will never suffer. A devotee is convinced about this fact. He's called Mahatma.
And if a devotee is not convinced about this fact, like I used to tell our devotees also we should not
overly pamper the material side of people.

Ignored Krishna consciousness and became dried up:

For example, we want them to study. But one time we found the number of study tip seminars, the
number of talks in the VOICE about the job on placement in the final year, and worry about the future.
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These became the central theme of discussion in certain voices. Eventually, those places became dried
up over a period of time. They didn't have any substance and they got close down eventually Because
the material the material aspirations are like a dead thing like this, they have no substance.

Balancing Spiritual and Material part:

So, all of our centers should be spiritual centers. But we are also concerned about health of devotees. We
are also concerned about job of devotees. We are also concerned about studies of devotees. We are also
concerned about devotees all around well-being you know body, mind and soul. But it shouldn't happen
that there is a over emphasis on the material part and the spiritual part is neglected You understand? So,
spiritual part should be sufficiently nourished and the material things can also be taken care, you
understand the difference now? Yeah.

Everything is a shadow of spiritual aspect:

So, Mahatma is actually one who focuses on the spiritual aspect because that is actually the life the life
substance is that only if that is not paid attention, then everything else is like a shadow which he doesn't
have, which doesn't carry much weight, and then all the society is doing these activities as if it's the
ultimate thing to do. If you see communism you know, social reform, social surveys, nationality, blood
donation camps, you know, so many kinds of Rotary Club Lions Club, Tiger club and whatever all these
different things you know. So, these are nothing to do with spirituality.

Pure mission v/s Murgi mission:

So, that is why Prabhupad when he made the society ISKCON society we are a spiritual society. We are
not a material society, and that there are organizations missions which are having poultry farms. Yeah,
Prabhupad called them murgi mission. their they having Yeah, that having some Hindu Mission Hospital
we don't call ourselves Hindu. Hindu mission hospitals or Murgi mission and they keep poultry farms
and everything. See the Varnashrama is the extension of the pure Vedic dharma. Varanashrama in
society, you see.

Temple was the center:

In the Vedic times the temple was the center and the community was around it. And the community has
you know some substance because of the temple. You, know marriages can be matched in the temple.
job opportunities can be exchanged in the temple. You know people will do that in Vedic times, and
they meet each other. But the very first thing they would when they meet each other, you will see they
are wearing tilak and wearing kanthimala they are having bead bag, they're having arti plate they're
talking about the Lord. Along with that you know what is your age of your daughter? What is age of my
son. So matching will be happening all day. It also will happen side by side it will happen. That was not
the main thing. Temple is not a place to do only that thing. So, but if the temple is taken out, then trust is
also finished. Between the people, nobody can trust anybody. If the Lord and the temple is rooted out,
you know plucked out. So, the lord in the center is most important.
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Keep the message very pure without any adulteration:
So mahajanas are very, very careful to keep the message very pure without any adulteration. In that
message. You can also read Ishopanishad, Prabhupad says who is a dhira who is a mudha. dhiras tatra
n muhyati and he says iti shushrum dhiranaan ye nastadh‌ vichachakshire, he says iti shushrum which
actually, he says iti shushrum. This is what I heard in Parampara. Like after telling Ajamilah Upakhyan
Sukhadev Goswami saying this pastime of Ajamilah I heard from Agatsya at one time. I am repeating it.
Everybody repeats it, even lord Krishna says that, you know, great sages have said. In the past
somebody may say even Krishna is quoting sages. He only has told sages what is the truth. And he's also
quoting

“Krishna is quoting Sages because he wants us to quote Sages”

sages. But why is he quoting sages? He wants us to quote sages. He wants to teach us, I am God. Even I
am quoting sages. I want to use a truth which sages have repeated. What is that verse? He says
asato vidyate bhavo, nabhavo vidyate satah
ubhayor api drsto 'ntas ,tv anayos tattva-darsibhih. [B.G-2.16]

tattva-darsibhih sees like this rishibhir bahudhå [B.G-13.5] like that there are verses also in the
Bhagavad Gita correct no, there are rishis he is quoting many places he is quoting rishis. That means we
should always quote from the Mahajanas from the Parampara and make sure that we Don't dilute the
message. We don't spoil the message. We don't misrepresent the message. We don't cheat the people
with something mundane. We have to give them something spiritual. You see.

Mahajanas understood love of God: Follow them exactly

So this is a Mahajan, or Mahatma. And we talked about Bali maharaja. But Bali Maharaja and all these
kings lived in the Vedic times, and we can take their spirit. But at the same time in the recent past, we
had many Mahajan as well come in our line, who also have exactly followed in the footsteps of those
great mahajanas. And they were surrendered and they understood love of God as the ultimate goal of
life. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu gave us pure love of God. Shiikshashtakam verse it is such a pure
versus any anybody from any religion will appreciate it.

We are insignificant Lord is Great:

Like we were in the Jagganath Puri dham we saw in one guru dvara outside there they put a board and
the board said, this message, oh Lord, I have ocean of faults with me. But you are so compassionate you
are an ocean of compassion. You are always willing to ignore the faults of your devotees and accept
them to your lotus feet. Please kindly pick up this sinner and accept me in your service like that, there
was a statement. So this is actually the message of every religion. Any true religion will teach this only
that we are insignificant and God is great. And he's all embodiment of love. You just surrender to Him.

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And there is no other protector, no other maintainer no other proprietor, no other enjoyer other than God.
La ilaha illa Allah means ilaha illa means that nobody else. He's the only supreme god. That's the
meaning of that. So this is Bhagvad dharma.

“Any true religion will teach this only that we are insignificant and
God is great.”

Pure spirit of religion is lost:

But unfortunately, that religion has become covered over by so many external formularies and external
rituals and sectarian people coming and putting their impressions and spoiling that pure spirit. Some
fanatical Brahmana’s come and they say, unless you're a born brahmana, you cannot join this thing. That
kind of and you cannot enter our temple. And people turn against brahmanas and they become
Christians and go like that. All kinds of people with fanatical considerations have come in the past, and
they have ruined the true purpose of religion.

Hitler Example:
Somebody becomes like Hitler. He says, we are the true Aryan Germans, we have blueish eyes. And
then all the Brahmana’s have been dead. They actually came from Germany, this kind of concoctions
they made the Jews he considered them as outcasts and dangerous people. And he started killing
wholesale millions of people.

Misrepresentation of God:
So in this way, sometimes even in the name of God and religion, fanatical people can misrepresent God
and the substance of religion can get lost. The pure love of God can get lost or can get covered over.
People may start hating God hating religion, hating saintly people, because they are not seeing God, they
are seeing a misrepresentation of God.

Police example
Imagine I'm wearing a police dress, wearing Captain uniform and everything you know, and you think
it's very nice for you to take help, and then you take help and then he comes to your place and you lose
your laptop and goes away. And so how much people will misunderstand police people.

Follow the right people:

Similarly, somebody in the name of religion, again, they can be demoniac miss leaders of the society
and the society loses faith in God and religion for some time. Of course, why I'm saying some time, it's
not that faith and god and religion will be vanquished completely. Because there are always good souls
who will again come and revive religion and people will develop faith in them, this world goes through
ups and downs. But we have to be careful to follow the right people. That is why we want to learn. And
we also want to know what to not do in our lives. Is it not true, how not to cheat the people.

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Deviations from the Acharya’s mission:
So, this bhagavad dharma teaches ananya bhakti aikantiki bhakti like abroad in one place, some Hindus
were requesting and one ISKCON temple somewhere I don't know where. I heard about it. That you
know, Shivaratri we should have a very elaborate shiva puja. If you can do in the temple, we can provide
you a good donation and everything. So that temple they brought a Shiva Linga and everything they had
abhishekha. Hundreds of people watching and chanting some shiva mantras and everything, because the
people who are ready to give some big donation so These kinds of activities are deviations from the
mission of Acharya. See, actually we are Vaishnava’s we worship Shiva as vaishnava nam yataha
shambu. But why we don't we publicly worship Shiva. If you publicly worship Shiva, people will think
that Shiva is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And it's, it's alright to worship anybody, everybody,
they will never be able to take ananya bhakti. So we worship Shiva only in our heart. Or if we are going
through the road and we come across shiva temple, we can fold our palms and worship, there is no
problem. But in our altars we know we don't although Ganesh is a pure devotee, shiva was a pure
devotee, we don't keep them and worship them. Because the public will misunderstand. So this kind of
deviations come because some people like you know.

“If you publicly worship Shiva, people will think that Shiva is the
Supreme Personality of Godhead”

Stuck at Yoga forgot Krishna:

In some place, ISKCON devotees telling it’s very difficult to preach and people are not coming. So they
had a small Center which is converted into a yoga studio. For yoga, a lot of people come through yoga
will make them devotees, which is also a good idea. But what happens is they remained yoga fellows
only they learned yogasanas and go back. You have to have some plan, why not even introduce Krishna
consciousness?

If prabhupada could have continued teaching Sanskrit………….???

Like, imagine Prabhupada started Sanskrit, if Prabhupada was teaching Sanskrit for 12 years what would
have happen? He got into teaching only Sanskrit in between 1965 to 1977. And 1977 he said, Oh, till
now I have made so many Sanskrit scholars have not started giving them beads beadbag and chanting. I
haven’t given them mahamantra yet and Prabhupada lefft the world then our movement would be called
as International Society for Sanskrit Consiousness (ISSCON) because interest is a diverse Sanskrit
consciousness. No. Is it not true? So Prabhupad, why not, two months he taught Sanskrit and as soon as
he saw a group has come, kata kata fata fat (In hindi means as soon as posiible) immediately Krishna
he has started, he said surrender to Krishna. sarva-dharmā n parityajya mām ekaṁ śharaṇaṁ vraja
including the Sanskrit also. So forget about everything else added to Krishna now, so, some little
introduction you are doing giving it’s alright but we have to come to the point we cannot just be
cheating the people sometimes.

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Packaging Krishna consciousness: Expert dispatcher devotees
Vaishnavas are expert in packaging, Krishna consciousness very expertly. Like in America sometimes
devotees would go with a suitcase. Tip Top Coat suit tie, very nice wig also wearing no tilak on the
forehead also and they'll be going very stylish thak thak they would be walking and they'll call Good
morning, shake hands with somebody, you know, are you coming to here right for the first time? You
know, they would ask? ya So you're coming from Delhi? Yes, I am coming from Delhi. I believe you
must be coming for the official work? Yes. So they will make them say three yes, yes. Would like to see
this book. Yes. Now. They say yes three times and four times they will naturally say yes. They open the
suitcase and show a Prabhupada book. And they would say, you know. Now I'm going for my work. I'm
a little busy. Now, you might have this book you can read whenever you get time. That's all right. So
would you like to have a donation? Yes. $10 on it. Thank you Have a nice day. Bye. So devotees would
go and distribute now. Say externally you look like another perfect gentleman. Imagine you're keeping a
shaven head and shikha and Hare Krishna and we go, please take the book, nobody will come to you. In
America, so devotees would go like that in America. So sometimes Vaishnavas package Krishna
consciousness (delivery boy) like this, you know, to give Krishna consciousness.

Be careful while delivering KC:

But at the same time, they should be careful because you're dressing yourself very tip top, very
attractive, very nice. Some young Mataji comes, you look here and there no other devotee with you and
you go with her (Devotees laugh…) Is it not true? It can happen like that also, So, one has to be very
careful when we are packaging Krishna consciousness and giving to others and too much packaging is
not good also because then we lose our natural tendencies you lose over some of our devotees who are
working in companies.

Tell them you are devotee of Krishna:

They would remove the kanthimala and make it one no one round you know put a button also like this
and no tilak and keep sufficient hair so they don't think you're Hare Krishna or something. They will
have sufficient hair and they would never utter one Krishna anywhere in the office. Because they used to
be afraid that no people should not think I am ISKCON. They should not know it. I don't know why they
should not know you know. So they would be very, very careful when they go to office so that they can
behave like a nice this thing.

They pushed cake in his mouth …..

And suddenly one devotee was like that. And all the people in his department said, we are celebrating
birthday of so and so they were giving out cake so this devotee also took the cake and put it in the
dustbin later and somebody came to notice that this fellow take something and put it in dustbin another
day one mataji had a birthday they were again celebrating she brought a cake from home and cut in that
department only eight people were there. So she cut she ate and she said everybody should take so

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devotee was also there. He said okay, okay I'll take it later they said no, no, no you have to take it now
only two fellows caught him on either side, two hands and third fellow pushed it into his mouth.

Before only reveal your Identity:

He cried out you know. Immediately he called me over phone Radheshyam Prabhu I am fallen down in
my spiritual life to the most worst patala loka. I said, what happened? Prabhuji I cannot tell you. You
know I am broken down my heart is broken into pieces. I am taking a half day leave today and Coming
to meet you in the temple Are you in the temple? I thought how can somebody fall down so badly in the
office? And he took a half day leave the come and tell me he came in the afternoon in the temple and
said, you know, he fell at my feet and tears like streams from his eyes. Aree tell me what happened.
How did you fall down? What happened? Prabhuji come separately I will tell you in a private room you
bolt the door, bolt on the door and property in my life. I've never eaten anything that is not Prashad.
Today they took a cake and pushed it into my mouth. And they forced me to eat it. I don't know whether
it is a egg-less cake or egg-cake. I don't know I'm wearing kanthimala also and this blunder happened
through me.

Prabhuji’s Advice to him:

Then when I asked him how it happened and them I understood this fellow never revealed he is a Hare
Krishna devotees to them. He never showed kanthimala, never wear tilaka never uttered one word
krishana, never called them for janmashtami. He always put up a show like a materialist. So when you
put up a show like a materialist. They also want you to behave more and more like a materialist is it not
true. So, what is better?
“when you put up a show like a materialist. They also want you to behave more and
more like a materialist”

How Radheshyam prabhuji used to be in Office: How was other’s response

Like when I used to go to office I would go with tilaka everyday go with tilaka, kanthimala first thing
anybody you meet Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, everybody in department Hare Krishna only. Everybody
in the morning would do like this. Some people may think this Radheshyam is too fanatical fellow, let
them think you know, that is their problem you know, why should we worry? You know, I always had
about 10 to 20 Prabhupada books with me in my drawer, anybody would come to meet me any other
department would come for some favor in our department you will do the favor and show the book
Please take it 20 rupees take it and they would take it and in Janmashtami means people would come
and ask me hey tumhare mandir me manate honge jaroor please give invitation we want to come for the
Janmashtami and many people will tell me nice things. So in relation to Krishna also They will come
and say, you know, now you know we also fasted for the janmashtami yesterday they will come and say,
see if you reveal yourself as a Krishna devotee, people who come and tell you about Krishna, it's good
for you good for them. Also, if you hide yourself as Krishna’s devotee, they will do nonsense and they
will want you to be a part of that nonsense. Isn’t it? You understand no?

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 “If you reveal yourself as a Krishna devotee, people who come and
tell you about Krishna,”

Package KC without encroaching their privacy:

So, packaging is only permissible to a small degree to which you're able to effectively give Krishna
consciousness, otherwise, packaging is useless. It's good for nothing. Yeah, like we say, the Krishna
conscious philosophy should be packaged in the culture of in a good culture. I also agree as we need
good culture. But the good culture ultimately should give. Give Krishna consciousness to them. We
don't want to be harsh with people. You know, we don't want to encroach on their privacy in the
company. You know, in the name of being ISKCON devotee, we don't want to bring bad name to
ISKCON. At the same time, we cannot avoid giving Krishna see there is some amount of vigor and
force in missionary activities, you will see that it cannot be denied.

But a Preacher has to go through obstacles:

Actually, you cannot say that you will see all the missionaries, if you see the 12 apostles of Jesus, one of
them was fried like a puri in oil. His whole body became bulged like a big puri. And then when they
took him out, he started walking peacefully. And the king told leave him now because we have punished
him now, if he's still alive, let him do whatever he wants, and he continued to be a preacher. One of the
apostles was fed to a hungry lion, in a cage, I mean in a cave. So if you see the way the apostles of Jesus,
they were severely treated just like Jesus was treated. And the result is all over the world the exported
Christianity. So, they were why they were treated like that. If you are a mildly packaging and preaching,
nobody's going to treat you like that. But they were like vigorous fellows.

Creating a influence by vigorous preaching:

They were preaching in such a way that they were creating an influence on society. So you will see
Bhagavad dharma also when it is
Examples:
 Prahlad maharaj begin preaching to demoniac schoolmates where? In the School of Shanda and
Amraka. Without any fear, there was no packaging directly he preached. He told them, you will
see that, yeah,
 Narada muni is preaching to prachina barishad very strongly. You will see that.
 Vidura is preaching to Dhritrashtra
You will see that all over and also there is some surrender about Bhagavada Dharma is you will find
Bali maharaja surrender happened in a very awkward position, you will see that.

We should not compromise on packaging KC:

So, lord also demands surrender in a very, very difficult to surrender situation. And similarly
surrendering to a mission like Bhagavad dharma movement involves a lot of strength on the part of the

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individuals also. So, while giving the movement some people may get hurt, we may not be able to avoid,
but at the same time we can try to package it but in the name of packaging we should not compromise
on Krishna consciousness you understand no, many Hindus want pampering, pampering pampering so
much pampering and Krishna consciousness gets lost. You see. Now these people are pampering them
doing some Shiva Pooja, Ganesh Pooja and things like that. Some people want to do yogasanas. Okay,
you want to go learn yoga and you learn your business and back. And after Yoga is over come here to
our temple and join shringar darshan or something take bead bag.

Siddha Swarupananda – hijacker:

And we cannot just dilute our movement by this. So there was one. The third C (charismatic hijackers) I
was telling you charismatic hijackers of Prabhupada’s times, Prabhupada gave initiation to Siddha
swarupa nanda He was sai his name was Sai before, very nice person. He had about 50-60 followers,
and they were all wearing red, red Tilak and they were following Prabhupada books. But he was also
having his own movement but later on he surrendered to Prabhupada gave him diksha also. He came to
be called as Siddha Swarupananda, under his 50-60 boys and girls who liked him very much. They were
also with him then later on what happened. You will read about him in the book, my glorious Master,
you will read about it.

He shifted focus from Krishna to himself:

There was another disciple of Prabhupada Gaurasundar also. So one time some devotees found this
Siddha Swarupananda’s followers were singing jai jai Gaura Sundar jai jai Siddha Swarupananda they
would chant a slogan for a long time in Harinam sankirtan for long distance is what these two slogans
they were chanting? Glorifying that as if he is of spiritual master he had gained over emphasis on
himself.

Misguided his followers: No Vaishnava mark

That was going on and his followers were having long hair very, very long has the hippie kind of thing
and they would wear pants shirt and they would not have any Vaishnava marks in their body like tilaka
or kanthimala and they would go for distributing books and they were very nice to people gentlemanly
and everything and people liked them very much, but Prabhupada came to know and he was very
unhappy.

Dual behavior of Siddha Swarupananda :

And once Prabhupada was in Mayapur Siddha Swarupananda and his followers had come and came to
meet Prabhupada, and he was wearinng dhoti-kurta. And he had shaven the head and everything he was
offering obeisance to Prabhupada and later on Prabhupada told, Hey, he is proper. What is the problem?
No, no Prabhupada only in front of you is like this.

This is not Chaitanya’s movement:

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And he goes back he grows long hair, wears pant shirt doesn’t wear tilaka, they have their own type of
preaching style. They are doing some psychic healing and things like that, you know, they lie down
Underground all the people half an hour they do some yogasanas and shavasanas and you know PMR
technique they call it no progressive muscle relaxation technique, you know shavasana and everything at
the end of 30 minutes. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare… take a long breath
that's only one mantra they chant after 30 minutes 30 minutes they do all yogasanas Prabhupada was
very upset. What is this nonsense psyche killing? never liked it. Prabhupad said this is all bogus
plugging the nose and standing upside down. This is not Chaitanya’s movement.

The real movement:

Chaitanya’s movement means give them Hare Krishna. Chant Hare Krishna. Bow down to Krishna. Eat
Krishna Prashada. Discuss Krishna katha Krishna shiksha that is our movement.

He says no one comes for real movement:

No no Prabhupada they are saying that people will not come if you don't give them indirectly so they're
trying to attract them indirectly and they are also being loved by the people Yeah, why will they not
love? You give them what they want you will be most loved you'll be most loved because you are not
giving them Krishna consciousness and increasing crowd also is not very difficult like that. Imagine for
example, the club you all have in the college. If that becomes VOICE club, for example. You can have
almost 10 flats like this, what do you think you can fill it up with boy’s wonderful boys. All the thing is
boys will be appearing wonderful but there'll be no Krishna consciousness there, is it not that is why we
separated the two you understanding no. We should be very careful about it, increasing number is not a
very difficult thing. Anybody can increase number.

It is easy to dilute movement and Increase number:

That's like for example, I get one glass of milk and then I give you a very big tipa. And then now the
whole tipa can be shown as milk. Isn't that possible? How you put whole tipa and water and put this one
glass? Now you have milk for the whole tipa. So we can dilute our movement and we can have a big
number of followers.

Purity is more important:

So we have to see how much we preserve the purity of the movement. It's very, very important. That is
why it is Mahajana is coming in the line. As like you see in our line you know what happened?

Mahaprabhu himself went and said go and preach everywhere:

Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was not a bhajananandi. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a goshtanandi.
Himself. Proof? He says you know,

suno suno nityananda, suno haridasa, sarvatra amara ajna koroha prakasa,
prati ghare ghare giya koro ei bhiksha, bolo krishna, bhaja Krishna [CC-Madhya]

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He is saying do pracara he is telling Nityananda and Haridasa Thakura. And he himself is going to South
India to do pracara. He is preaching South India he is going through Jharkhanda and going to
Vrindavana. And also he diputed Rupa-Sanatana to you know, take the instructions four instructions and
go to Vrindavana and build temples, establish deities, write books, you know, teach people Krishna
consciousness. Vigorously he wanted to preach. Prabhupada. I mean, Lord Chaitanya was a missionary.
He was a visionary and missionary both check them out. He was not just doing bhajans although
namacari chanted three lakh names. Mahaprabhu himself was not chanting 3 lakh names every day. You
will see that Mahaprabhu was chanting, sometimes we chant one lakh or two lakh names, and he also
would preach to people reach out to people. And you find all teachings, especially his preaching to the
leader’s classes because they are the ones who will take the message to others. And then he also
preaches to masses by doing Harinama Sankirtana going place to place. So, we should emulate the
model of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and this is what is something that is loved we are coming in his
Parampara.

They perfectly followed Mahaprabhu :

So following him where the Goswamis were all his disciples they perfectly followed him and following
them, where Shrinivas Acharya, Narottama Das Thakura, Shyamananda Pandita they also were
very vigorous missionaries and preaches whole of Orisa, if you see today because of Shyamananda
Prabhu’s effect even today, you will find plenty of Vaishnava’s. You’ll find. some, Similarly Narottama
Das thakura also went to Manipur and made the Raja into Vaishnava. So, all these three personalities
they did very nice preaching.

Gradually people became deviated:

But subsequently what happened in our Parampara gradualy our Parampara became a Baba Ji
parampara. Lot of apsampradayas came, many people became deviated, that is one whole book on
deviant sampradaya 13 sampradaya.

Gauranga Nagari – One of deviated sampradaya

So, one group is called Gauranga nagri they make Gauranga Mahaprabhu like Krishna, and then they
dress like gopis and they consider Gauranga Mahaprabhu like Madana. Cupid they're attracted to him in
conjugal love. This was never taught by Mahaprabhu. Mahaprabhu never dealt with any woman at all in
his life. And these people are saying that we have fallen in love with Mahaprabhu he is like his Krishna
for us and we are like gopis for him. This is some new concoction. Crazy. So, like this Gauranga
Gauranga and I like that owla bowla I see bowl is a very good name, it means avadhutha, who has
completely lost external consciousness but this owla bowla are people who pretend to be like
Vaishnavas. Sometimes you sing some Krishna kirtana and they will fall on the ground unconscious.
But then behind the curtain they will have ilicit sex with women, they would increase the followers and
beautiful woman they will spot out and they will call them privately and have nonsense relation with
them. So in this way, many Apasmpradayas came.

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Pure Vaishnava’s Continued their bhajanas……
And seeing this a pure Vaishnava’s, you know, gradually went to the background. They said this world
is getting degraded. Kali-yuga has come, better we do our bhajan peacefully. Because our Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu has left the world. And we don't have such spiritual strength to you know, do what he did.
We just you know practice our Bhajan very nicely they were in small numbers at one time Vaishnava
sampradaya became so thin there were 20,30,40 people only you know living in dham in secluded places
just doing intense bhajan chanting 3 lakh names growing beard growing hair and studying bhagvatam
intensity very similar to what Advaitacharya was doing before with vaishnavas in Navdweep.

Babajis bhajananandis - exalted personalities:

So, our sampradaya became very thin as it came down Baba Ji after that another Baba, Baba Ji means
Baba Ji is don't wear saffron. They wear white, white. They don't even hold symbols like danda or
anything extra nobody can know who they are very, very exalted personalities, they constantly chant and
3 lakhs names all over the day study and they're completely merged in spiritual consciousness. And they
don't associate with outside people. They keep they may live in gufas, may live in secluded places and
practice, which is actually against the missionary spirit. If you see Prahalad says mounam vijanti na
mounam charanti vijnena parartha nishta it says, you know, so keeping moun and keeping silence and
going to seclusion, this is talking about the impersonal is going to the Himalayas, but the bhajananandis
are actually internally inspired by the Lord to be bhajananandi. Not that they have no compassion.
Yeah. bhajananandis mode of operand is, if somebody comes to me I will tell them good things. If
somebody doesn't come to me, then I will just do my bhajan. Like you know, somebody is thirsty, they
will ask for water then I'll give water somebody doesn't ask water I will not go to follow up. Please
would you like to have water? juice? No, he will not go for asking. You practice and you they come you
give. So Bhakti Sidhanta Sarswati said his guru also Gaur Kishore das babaji he was bhajananandi.

“Bhajananandis = Stationary motor

Goshtyanandis = Moving fan”

Example to explain about them:

But he gives an example. Here's like a stationary motor which can make mobile operating object like fan
for example, is run by a stationary motor. Correct no motor is in one place only motor doesn't run but
who runs? Yeah, Goshtyannandi and these are like a moving fan. They're very dynamic, active and
bhajananandis are like a stationary motor. They are also internally active. Internally very active, they
are chanting the holy name and there they are spreading the vibrations in the outside world. Haridas
thakura spread the vibration to many people. He was a preacher also Haridas thakura not only bhajan he
was doing so they also spread pure vibrations bhajananandis. Because we should know that
bhajananandis are not a whimsical or independent minded. Nor is it that they don't want to preach, but
they are internally inspired by the Lord to be bhajananandis. But in our sampradaya our Lord Chaitanya

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desired, that people should preach and make others devotees, so on the strength of our example and on
the strength of our preaching.

Inspiration comes from two things:

We should inspire people inspiration comes from two things.
1. One is the strength of our powerful example you also set example sometimes even though you
set example, people will say wonderful wa bohot accha krte hai prabhuji they will not do and in
order to make them do you have to preach that is why strength of example and
2. Strength of preaching both are said, both are important. So, bhajananandis are only showing
strength of their examples, but they're not preaching and public answered them like you know,
okay, these are like, people who like solitude bhajana chahte hai bhajan kr rhe hai thik hai they
would not follow them, they were not preaching.

“Strength of
Example

Preachers in our line:

So later on in our line Vishvanath Chakravarthy, Thakura Baladeva Vidyabhushana they were preachers
in that that times and after that again there were Babajis, but Bhakti Vinoda Thakura in our line before
him, Jagganath Das babaji, isn't it? Jagganath Das babaji also found out the place of Lord Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu’s appearance.

A revolutionary Precher : Structure of Namahattas

And after that Bhaktivinoda Thakura was a revolutionary missionary preacher. I heard in his times he
had more than 2500 Nammahatta, it is bhaktivriksha type of groups all over Bengal and he had made a
very proper structure. Structure means no one bhaktivriksha will have 15 people it's all from Godruma
kalpatave a book the book is also available now Godruma kalpatave. So 15 people in one group and
then the group multiplies into two and multiplies multiplies and four groups will be under one upa-
chakrapati. Then similarly 4 upa-chakrapatis will be under one Chakrapati, so, he made this and then
there are chakrapatis many many chakrapatis are there and all these chakrapatis will be under you know
then he made names like dhobi there will be under one dhobi now you may be wondering, who is dhobi?
Dhobi means one who washes the clothes. See the clothes are dirty. So anyone who washes the clothes
makes them pure is the dhobi.

Why vaishnavas called Dhobi:

That's why Vaishnava is called as dhobi. Then he also said there are other names he says sweeper, he
says above the dhobi is like a sweeper. You know, like for example, sometimes you get ink in the cloth
for that you cannot ordinarily wash it, you need more and more difficult things. Similarly, cleaner,
sweeper, the kind of new names are there as you go higher. And the people who are there because they

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become servant of everybody who are below them, because they have to clean the hearts they have to
sweep the anarthas in the hearts of so many people whom they are guiding.

Bhakktivinoda Thakura’s system:

So he had made all the system and he was actually at the top. And from him all these groups came many
many leaders were taking guidance. You can imagine there was no internet, there was no mobile, how
he managed 2500 groups you can imagine all over Bengal, Bangladesh, in those days. So many even
today you find many vaishnavas when we go there in the train also people wearing Tilak still
Vaishnava’s are there were made at that time, but there are Bengalis, mostly, but he also had desire

“Vaishnavas clean the hearts and sweep the anarthas in the

hearts”

Prediction for a Senapati Bhakta: And Bhaktivinoda thakura’s lilas

He also said When will the time come and Russians and Americans will come to the land of Mayapur
understanding the love of God taught by Lord Chaitanya and chant Jai Sacinandana Gaur hari, and then
he had asked that, go to Krishna here last that he led prophesized it, the senapati bhakta will come and it
predicted it in his time, 1896, when he wrote the book, and life and precepts are checked in the
Mahabharata that he had mentioned. But he was very, very vigorous preacher because as a student of the
college, he studied Christianity very elaborately. Then after that, he studied different religions different.
He tried to understand God in a very rational way, in a very systematic way. And he understood that the
Supreme Truth God is actually the purest person is all loving person. You try to understand by studying
different religions and then He got a copy of Chaitanya Charitamrita, which really revolutionized his
consciousness. After that, he became a newborn person Bhaktivinoda Thakura after all, all these are lilas
of the acharyas. And then after that, he really understood that this should be taught to people.

Love of God is spotless:

This love of God taught by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is completely spotless. It can accommodate the
whole world under one umbrella. It's such a wonderful religion. That's why Hare Krishna devotees are
loved in many places the world is allowed in many places, because they are the most harmless specie. In
the world. They don't join any political parties. Actually, it is they remain aloof, and they're freely
distributing prasada distributing harinam, chanting and dancing in the street. Their philosophy can create
a powerful community where people love children love one another and they try to take care of one
another. And they are selfless. They are practicing Bhakti without any motivations. They are working so
hard for guru and Krishna without taking a single penny.

“Love of
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Bhaktivinoda Thakura got blessed with a missionary child:
So, even though it can touch the heart of a materialist also, the Vaishnava philosophy, even the material
outputs of our spiritual movement is so great. And even a materialist can get impressed by our
movement. So Bhakti vinoda Thakura wanted to systematically preach and expand it. So he prayed to
supreme lord to give him a child who can do that. And then he got the ray of Vishnu Bhakti Siddhanta
saraswati Thakura and Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati Thakura also 10 years he practiced chanting like
Haridasa Thakura, 3 lakh names. So you can say he's a 10 year Haridas Thakura and he went to
Mayapur and he had attained a very great platform of ecstatic love.

First purified himself and then revolutionized the movement:

Actually, there was one follower of Bhakti vinoda Thakura, who wanted to start a movement for him in
Calcutta but Bhakti vinoda Thakura was the time very old. And he could not get help from Bhakti
Vinoda Thakura. But then he was thinking his son can do that. But then Bhakti vinoda Thakura said, he
is in Navdweep. So when he had gone to Navdweep, there is Chaitanya matha where we had gone in
that place Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati used to chant. And by the time one of one of the mornings when
this fellow was coming he saw one person coming in great ecstatic love with arms raised chanting and
dancing, and going and jumping straight into the Ganges Chanting a loud Hari Bol and he saw that was
Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati Thakura. He was calling him after he came out to the Ganges he called him
and asked him, can you please help me start a mission for your father, to spread Krishna consciousness
in Calcutta? So he will he wouldn't want to go to Calcutta until he purified himself. But then he knew
who that man was. He knew. So later on one day he went and battered his door when that man opened
the door he said now I'm ready now. My 10 years I promise that the vow I took is over now. Now we
can start that mission. So he helped us with some monetary support and everything. And then Bhakti
Siddhanta saraswati started Matha and he was a revolutionary also.

“Inner strength and purity are required to influence

people”

Idea for GBC from Indian railway:

He gave pure love of God in a way that even viceroys and British people could understand. In his times
he had if you go to the bag-bazaar matha you will see and all the other Gaudiiya mathas very beautiful
Radha-Gandharvika-Giridhari deity that is. And he established 64 mantas in his times, but subsequently,
he knew that if I make one mathadi--pati after me, if he falls down, my whole movement will be wiped
out. So he said next to me, there should be a governing body Commission. group should be jointly
managed our whole society then there can be many gurus who can give initiation and everything, but the
administration of the society should be done by calling by the governing body commissioners like that
he said where he got this idea from you know, Indian Railways has got governing body commissioners

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also GBCs you will see that Indian Railways they have because there are so many trains moving from
north to south east to west. So, they managed through a board of administrators Bhakti Siddhanta
saraswati suggested this also because, yeah, he thought that different people will have different
strengths. They like our GBC somebody was asking how our GBC is running. If too many cooks spoil
the broth, then they don't do like that they have an EC they call it is his executive committee which is
considered only three people. So, out of 40 GBC, there are three people who are called EC. And an EC
also there is a chairman also, who is the most mature people choose a chairman and then he runs the
show people take any complex situation is brought to the EC, if GBC cannot solve it also, so similarly,
Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati also wanted to make a body and then the body should elect the chairman, if a
chairman falls down or something, then you remove him put another person in that way the GBC body
is taken care of.

What happens after Bhaktisiddhant Saraswati departs………

So, we can only follow a person as long as he is in in good standing. If he has fallen down, then it’s not
that you have to close down the movement, movement should go on. That was his plan. But immediately
after his departure, there was one Kunja-Bihari who was expert in purchase of land and all these things
so he got into keeping all the properties in his name there was one another Anantha –padmanabham I
think Is it another who was very, very great scholar in Sanskrit and learning what his name? Yeah.
Anantha Vasudev Yeah. You know he was treated as a Acharya next to him. people accept him acharya.
So they did not follow their spiritual master. And the result, the movement got completely collapsed in
every matha was taken and renamed you know Chaitanya Gaudiya matha Devananda Gaudiya matha
Nityananda Gaudiya matha and they became individual mathadipatis. And they've made themselves
founders of their own small movement it became like small puddles here and there. Mathas became
divided, the joint effect of the movemnet was lost. In his times, the preaching was roaring.

Prabhupada tried to make them realize but….

But subsequently, at that time once Shrila Prabhupada came for Vyasa puja ceremony of his spiritual
master Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati Thakura. And then he called all the God brothers and he was very
strongly. Preaching and you will read it in the book, Lilamrita (Prabhupada Biography) . Prabhupada
spoke to them he said what are we doing? Our spiritual master had desire to not only spread in India but
also abroad and we are all so slack in this and we have got our own matahas and we are like a frog in the
well. We are not doing much preaching we are just preaching to Bengalis and you know we should
come together put our efforts together we should be united. And you know this. Our spiritual master’s
message should be taken to the whole world and all that people thought very nice poetry. They clapped
their hands, very good. But after that they said no, I have problem with him. He has problem with him
you know, if you come too close there'll be big problem so we better we do our own thing. They could
not unite.

Gaudiya mathas –Todays condition:

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Because which now today the Gaudiya matha today has become very it was that one time like a lion.
Now it is become like a cat now. In one corner they have one, one temple arti is going on in the morning
and evening at least and deities are taken care of Sometimes the brahmanas are there sometimes paid
brahmanas are there some places and also some Bengali widows are coming for arti darshana they get
prashadam two times first class prashadam, prashadam is wonderful, but how many people come very
few people come morning evening, some local people come there, there are no preaching activities, no
printing of pamphlets, printing of books, distributing now, if you go they have a stall also some
traditional old books are kept there, there is no movement, movement means move it should move, then
it is called as movement, correct no it should move things should move. There was nothing, nothing is
moving now, very slow. And when Prabhupada saw this situation, there are all becoming more of a
bhajananadis preaching only to Bengalis, you know, doing chatur-mass and everything chatur-mass
vrata. Chatur-mass people grow beard and hair and they eat only what can be contained in the mouth the
tie their hand back that much only they can eat once in a day. chatur-mass time people eat like then fall
into the muscle breath. If you do like that, how can you go out and preach? You know, imagine you eat
only one mouth your software may have a very big mouth You can eat probably a little more whatever
can be contained in one mouth only. So they started following all this vratas and they could not preach
much at the time
Gaudia mathas lost the spirit Prabhupada started new society:
Prabhupada that's why Prabhupada started a new society called as ISKCON. He came out and he went
abroad, he could have made an extension of Gaudiya mathas. But he saw that Prabupada clearly said,
Gaudiya mathaa has lost the spirit of Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati Thakura. It is not carrying the spirit the
spirit is lost life is lost. What is there is only a structure now. And that structure also has become divided
now. There is no more god no more the movement that my spiritual master wanted. So Prabhupada was
very unhappy. But then he started this ISKCON movement International Society he wanted to make this
was actually a dream of Bhakti Siddhanta saraswati Thakura International Society he wanted it and it got
the name Krishna consciousness from the book Krishna bhavanamrita written by Vishvanatha
Chakravarthy Thakura he highlighted Krishna consciousness.

ISKCON – A great visionary behind it:

And he made international with all the seven statement purposes, Prabhupada was a very great visionary
and he was a missionary also himself. visionary means, one sees what his vision Where am I now?
Where do I want to go? And what is the trajectory that I have to take to go there one who has a very
clear vision of that is called visionary. So, Prabhupada had the type of vision for the society, he could
see it as some society which can develop into a larger worldwide organization for propagating the
message of Bhagavad Gita. And he had all the ideas, how to publish books and print books and
distribute, how distribute prasada how to establish temples with deities, how to teach people The culture
of Krishna consciousness everything he had ideas. So he had everything in seed stage. And that seed
stage ideas Prabhupada gave out to his disciples and a then and Prabhupada was very careful not to
make anybody mathadipati. He didn't make people as Prabhupada Who's your successor Prabhupada
said the GBC will be my successor and Prabhupada also attended GBC meetings. He came for the GBC

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meetings and he would also raise hand and make a vote whenever there was you know a vote taking and
things like that. So Prabhupada trained the disciples how to work together in cooperation, you know, so
GBC might commit some mistakes which Prabhupada corrected. later on.

GBC’s duties:
After Prabhupada left the world Prabhupada said after me the GBC will manage the whole society of his
ISKCON. Governing body commission. So the GBCs they appoint gurus, as gurus. They give a no
objections certificate to a guru says somebody wants to be guru you can be guru after seeing certain
qualifications in them and then the Guru is allowed to give initiation. If some guru somebody is away as
Sanyasis also, if you want to be a sannyasi then 10 people have to authhorise you, 10 well established
devotees in ISKCON, senior devotees well known to ISKCON, they have authorise you as, Yes, this
person can take Sanyasa, I know him very well. I'm very confident then after that, they will put your
name it will take five six more years to get Sanyasa after that. In gradually the waiting list also, which
will come to nowadays Sanyasa is not given very easily because our movement has seen some fall
downs of people taking Sanyasa and falling or becoming guru and falling now they have become
extremely cautious and careful not to give anybody and everybody unless they are really, really
confident they don't give. So GBC is the one authorizing the presidents GBC is on authorising sannyasis
authorizing gurus also appointing them.

ISKCON growing Sturdy:

So in this way, our line has been coming down and ISKCON society you will see it has grown so sturdy
and strong after the departure Prabhupada still, because Prabhupada made a very solid foundation for the
society like this, but still what happened in our society?

One Russian Guru got deviated said only 3 regulative principles:

There were some charismatic hijackers. I said no. So there were some gurus who did not follow
Prabhupada. There was one famous guru in those days. He started saying that, you know, he became
very popular, very famous. He was one of the big book distributer gurus in those days. Some of you may
know also, at one time, he was very big personality in Russia. He had 10’s of buses going out for
distribution and they were number one in book distribution around the globe, you will find that book,
Metro book distribution also many of his disciples and everybody, at one time he was in great heights.
But he started introducing one wrong deviation into his teachings. What he did he said is a Prabhupada
said 4 regulative principles, but it is not very practical. Three are all right but the fourth one no illicit sex
is too much. husband wife, you know, they cannot love each other if they don't have sex. Because you
know, sex is an expression of love like that he started and then so they should be allowed to unite freely,
instead of putting this restriction saying that only for begetting child, you should unite. You know? No,
no, no, this is too much. So he started teaching amongst his disciples like this. And when you relax
there, then afterwards others also may say, No, I don't want to become hard hearted. Let me have sex
and be soft hearted. These kind of things other disciples started. They said, you know trying to follow
these four principles. So, strict to too much strictness means we become like a stone, we hate the woman

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we should not hate woman, we should love woman let us embrace women and kiss women and in this
way they say they went into illicit connections also many people.

One lady looted that fellow:

So, Krishna will not tolerate this kind of deviation. And when it was becoming debated like this one
chakra healer one lady was treating him for some medical testing, Ayurvedic this thing. So when he was
getting treated by her, she got intimate with him, but disciples start Vaisnavera kriya mudra vijne na
bujhaya, we should not find fault with the Vaishnava’s. So in the name of treating him she agitated his
muladhar chakra which means the lowest is chakra she agitated and he got sexually agitated. Some
people say like that, due to which he fell prey to her. And he had a lot of money. She looted all his
money lakhs and lakhs of rupees. She looted and she fled away. She ran away after that.

“Your connection with Parampara will never be lost”

He falls down – What happens to his disciples:

After that he was no more a proper guru he fell from his position probably had 3000 disciples at one
time. But when such gurus fall, what happens many disciples will leave the society and go away. say
more than thousand 2000 of them have gone away. But the another thousand, they have remained loyal
to Prabhupada they remain devotees in ISKCON. So, here comes one very important point. When a guru
gives you initiation, he is linking you with Parampara after linking you with Parampara even if he gets
lost, you will not be lost. Your connection with Parampara will never be lost. It's like permanent.

Example to explain our permanent relationship with parampara :

For example, somebody took you and introduce you to IIT Bombay. So you want to join IIT Bombay,
someone introduced to you, after introducing that person became your enemy, that person developed
some antagonism with you and he got lost but you know, where is IIT Bombay correct no, your
connection is never lost, you can always go there and get admission for higher courses or whatever he
has introduced you already. Similarly, if a guru is linking you to Parampara That is why I'm telling you
this point why? Because our relationship is not only with our Guru, our relationship is with a guru with
Prabhupada and the whole Parampara up to Krishna.

“There's only one guru Krishna, he is the

ultimate master of everyone”

Krishnam vande jagad guru:

Because there's only one guru Krishnam vande jagad guru. He is jagad guru ultimately. Somebody
already introduced you and you have tested Krishna also. So, you are very safe, even if that person who

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introduced you goes away. Some of you sitting here may have Pada-pashya gurus, who brought you on
they went away. You will also have like this see like that, but you are still here How? Because he has
introduced you to a nice place and he has gone maybe you can try to bring him back if possible but you
are safe, because the link is introduced. So although he has gone away, some people are sentimentally
attached to him, they left Krishna consciousness just taking this as a good excuse, you understand no
and they will say that. Inhone chhoda muze bhi chhodana padega abhi. That's what they wanted to do.
So then they left and went away.

Loyalty towards parampara:

But those who wanted to follow, they remained loyal to Prabhupada even now they are loyal they're
practicing, and then they will be directly sheltered in the guru Parampara and they will go back to
Godhead. So, he is not the only one. few other gurus also have left their position.

When a guru becomes philosophically bewildered:

Now, there is one verse in Mahabharata which says, gurur avaliptasya, like that there is one verse which
begins when avalipta means when a guru becomes bewildered by Maya, and they become fascinated by
a womanly beauty and runs after a woman or if a guru gives up the vaishnava siddhanta and he takes to
Mayavada philosophy or some other deviant philosophy and he became philosophicaly bewildered by
atheistic people if a guru become bewildered or if a guru stops chanting Hare Krishna, following 4
regulative principles, which he supposed to practice and preach, he has given up the principles like this
and there he is no more in the Sangha of vaishnavas. He is keeping him secluded privately. You know,
nobody knows what is he doing, whether is chanting or not, whether is he is not in vishnav Sangha you
gradually find out that he is not practicing anymore He has given up then the disciple cannot follow him.

Disciple should unfollow such a guru:

And that is the time the disciple should give up to the person one cannot follow such a person, then you
can follow somebody who is in good standing. So, this is an unfortunate thing to happen, because we
may feel that in my life, you know, somebody is guiding, I always want him to follow what he's telling
me to follow so that we both can safely go back to Godhead we all want that only, but in case such a
thing, unfortunate thing happens, there is also a solution given in the shastra.

Whom to put faith in:

So here comes a very important point to whom to put faith in. For example, there is a varthma
pradakshak guru who taught you something, you put faith in him, and then he went away, at least
introduced to some facilitator who was following you up or there is caretaker who was following you.
There is a counselor who is teaching you, there is a senior devotee, who is a PA or somebody who is
coming and teaching you who may be a counselor also oftentimes PAs counselors as well as shiksha-
gurus also they are teaching also. And above that like in our Puna situation, I am there in Puna as a
president and then I'm, now I started this VOICE and then sending devotees out and empowering many
people as you know Shiksha gurus for the respective VOICES you take guidance from them. And then

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above me, my spiritual master and my GBCs are there and then there is Prabhupada, then there's Krishna
now we don't know whom to hold on to now, you know, sometimes we are fearful, we want to hold on
to somebody who will not let us down, you know who will not cheat us? Correct no.

how I can be firmly sheltered:

So, this question is very important, how I can be firmly sheltered so that I don't get lost in our spiritual
life. So, we have a….. See here I have shown Prabhupada books at the top. The siddhanta given in
Prabhupada books forms the basis for our movement. There are many shisha gurus who have read
proper books diksha Guru from whom we take diksha. Both draw their knowledge and nourishment and
everything from Prabhupada books and they're handing over to disciple. It’s not true.

Prabhupada has a very unique position:

So, Prabhupada has a very unique position in our entire line Prabhupada stands out in our entire line
why anybody can say? he's a founder Acharya, of ISKCON. He's a founder of our movement,
somebody is telling Why not give such prominence to Bhakti Sidhanta Saraswati Thakura, somebody
said, Yes. If you want to do the promenance you have to join Gaudiya matha, because in Gaudiya
mataha he's the prominent Acharya guru. But there are clear differences between the way of operating of
Gaudiya matha and ISKCON. I told you it's not just an extension of Gaudiya matha alone, because
Prabhupada preserved the spirit of his guru. While many of the followers of Bhakti Sidhanta Saraswati
Thakura couldn't preserve that spirit, so we are followers of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, correct
no. So that is one reason. What other reason why Prabhupada stands out in the Parampara any other
reason?
Devotee: He's a chief prominent Shiksha guru and he said some principle that …….
He's a chief prominent Shiksha guru for everybody in ISKCON, which means our shiksha comes from
Prabhupada books about which I'll say a few words also.
Devotee: He has given principles which comes in the generations of Vaishnavas.

“Senapati Bhakta + commander in chief of sankirtana movement is

Prabhupada ”

Yeah. Prabhupada has given all the pure Vaishnava principles coming in generations in a very succinct
capsule manner he has given in his books, so his teaching should be our basis. Yeah. Anything else?
Prabhupada also a Senapati bhakta predicted by Lord Chitanya Mahaprabhu mora senapati bhakta, He
says no. So he is also the commander in chief of the Sankirtana army in Kali-yuga for asisting Lord
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu so he stands out naturally.

Empowered by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu:

And Prabhupada is also a shaktiavesha avatar that is also mentioned. Shakti always means he's a jiva,
but empowered by the Shakti of Chaiitanya Mahaprabhu to do a miraculous revolution in the misguided
civilization of the world. Correct. And Prabhupada has shown that magic in 12 years the world has seen

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it and everybody has witnessed it. And he's the first one to take the holy name outside India to distribute
it all over the world in such a big way. Nobody has done it. Anything else?
Devotee: Prabhupada’s dedication to obey the spiritual master’s instruction.
Yes, correct. Prabhupada’s full dedication to obey the guru’s instructions correct. Yeah. So this should
be the basis and Prabhupada in his times also said never leave ISKCON. Prabhupad said and also
Prabhupada said.

Why BBT separate from ISKCON:

Prabhupada kept the BBT separate from ISKCON for one reason. Tomorrow something happens to
ISKCON and ISKCON is dismantled and the GBC starts fighting with one another and they all start
separate mathas. I love my matha your matha. Prabhupada said at least BBT should be separate from
ISKCON. So, the book publishing will not stop that’s why Prabhupada made separate, separate account
for the BBT Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, because Prabhupada said ISKCON and BBT both are important,
but out of the two which is important, BBT is more important he said because the book publishing and
distribution should not stop at least if these fellows are fighting quarreling, everything comes to ground
level at least books will be published and distributed in that way the knowledge will keep percolating in
society and some Acharya will emerge slowly reading the books you know because, you know, yeah.

Examples in parampara who captures exact spirit of previous Acharya:

See, in our sampradaya also you will find Ramanujacharaya for example, he didn't meet Yamunacharya.
But he got inspiration from Yamunacharya’s spirit, you will see that similarly, in Parampara, sometimes
there can be 200 years gap also, you know where only babajis were there then Vishvanath Chakravarthy
Thakura comes and Baladeva Vidyabhushana comes, you will find somebody captures the exact spirit of
one Acharya who was 200 years before And again follow the spirit of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu that is
why books are very important, they are the basis like, you know why Ramanuja, Ramanuja is so
highlighted because in their Shree sampradaya many acharyas came and went, but they didn't do what
Ramanuja did, he created a revolution he had 12 thousand disciples out of which more than 800 are
sannyasis, he had 4 thousand brahmacaris also. So, yeah, he had such a kind of wave, he created a
revolution he created he had a movement. So, in this way, you know, every vaishnava who is born he
will create some effect in the society. But some somebody will capture this like Srila Prabhupada
wanted the books to go on and, and Prabhupada also chose some 11 people as gurus. Some of them have
fallen away. But Prabhupada said more gurus can be chosen who will be in good standing in future as
the GBC finds them to qualify though GBC only appoints the gurus and they wouldn't qualify.

Kirtanananda Swami Example:

Now, I was telling you about the hijackers, what are the charismatic hijackers? Yeah. See in my times in
1991, I came to ISKCON. In Juhu I used to come after that Chaupathy in 1991 end I came at that time
there was one Kirtanananda Swami Bhakti pad you all know Kiratanananda Swami in Prabhupada’s
time also he was very famous, you all know that. One of the first disciples of Prabhupada, and he was

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really very empowered, very, very powerful. Every word He will speak will be portent. He could write
very, very powerfully and everything.

He got attacked and revived some old tendencies:

But at one time, some Christians became antagonistic to him, they thought that this fellow will make
whole of America into Krishna consciousness and all that. And they were trying to attack him and
everything. At one time he was attacked with iron Rod hit on his back. So he was admitted in the
hospital, or most close to death, he was in coma, then he came out of coma. But then he revived some
homo tendencies which he had in his five years of age. When he was a small boy, again those homo
tendencies came back.

He admitted and left guruship :

So he admitted in one letter where he said I don't want to be a guru. Because I have this old vibrations
coming back, I will just practice myself now. And my disciples who want to be with me can be with me
and those who want to take shelter of someone else can take or someone else like that he had written a
letter that time after that, he went to background after this accident, after all these things.

He came again with some deviating ideas like:

So In New Vrindavan in those days west Virginia, he had come up with an idea actually Krishna does
things at the appropriate time for everybody. So he had come up with a big temple called a city of
understanding there he wanted to have deities of Buddha you know deities of Mahavira deities of Jesus
deity of Krishna also. So octagon you know, in eight places, eight prominent religions he wanted to
represent which was terribly opposed by ISKCON. ISKCON devotees and Prabhupada never did such a
thing. He wanted understanding of all religions, but he didn't want to put the deties of Jesus and
everybody in the temple. So he in the name of being all inclusive, he was coming up with the concocted
idea. He also came up with ideas like Brahmacaris in India also should wear gowns like what brothers
and fathers were, you know, in western churches, you look like a church man, but then you preach
Krishna consciousness. He also wanted Samsara dava anal lidha loka to be in binocular language. So
making it in Hindi, make it in Marathi. So people feel more affinity for the arti in the morning. So this
kind of new introductions he made in the name of innovation, but Prabhupada would never be happy
with such kind of changes.

Silent Japa – but we are not qualified:

And he also started silent Japa. He said, Devotees are making too much noise, actually we should be
chanting silently actually silence is more effective than loud Japa. But the silent Japa we cannot do we
are not qualified for it. Haridasa Thakur would do three ways of doing chanting like my one lakh names
he would do Harinama sankirtana, one lakh names he would do Japa, another one lakh names he would
do a upamsya so we call it which is moun Japa silently like Gayatri we do inside the mind, you chanting
it's very, very powerful. It's much more louder than loud chanting. But who can do that one who has a

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very sharp concentration, one who will not sleep, only He can do that. So, so in those days he introduced
to these things.

“Silent Japa is very very powerful but need a sharp

concentration”

Prabhupada never entertained keeping a dog:

So he introduced these things and then he also used to come with his dog into the temple. used to have a
big Bulldog, you know, with which he would walk actually he had a dog for protection also Because
they were also dangers for him and everything he would come with a stick. So in Juhu temple they
wouldn't allow him inside with the dog they said you have to put the dog outside you cannot bring it,
you know, and Prabhupada never entertained keeping a dog can you imagine somebody wearing a
sanyasa dress, carrying a dog with a it’s not proper. So he wrote a book at that time on his order. He
wrote a book, saying that many of the GBCs are not following what Prabhupada exactly said they're not
rising early in the morning. They're not coming for Mangala arati. They are not preserving purity the
movement they're diluting, and so we have to keep this thing.

He started league of devotees:

So he said, I am going to come out and I am going to start the League of devotees which Prabhupada
originally started in India, that name Prabhupada had started League of devotees. So he came out and
started.

Radhanath Swami – serving under kirtanananda Swami:

At the time HH Radhanath Swami was working right under him in new Vrindavana. Because Radhanath
Swami was a very prominent person in there New Vrindavan he and Barasana Swami, these two are
very prominent in New Vrindavana. And they were doing pujari service as well as preaching in colleges
also, they were doing all that. So, when Radhanath Swami saw that Kirtanananda Swami is taking these
steps and he was his superior, how can I tell him what can I tell him? He kept silent for years together
and the way things are being done, and Radhanath Swami was sent to India in 1986. He would come to
Chaupathy area, but that time he was just coming on behalf of Kirtanananda Swami bhakti pada he used
to come. Actually Radhanath Swami came to understand that Kirtanananda Swami pada has taken this
place. This chaaupathy that lady north coast off Nigeria in that place. And he wants it to be done there
where he wants to start a league of devotees. That was a time. He also understood that he is not running
it as ISKCON.

Radhanath Swami stayed back to convince him:

In ISKCON name he is not running it as League of Devotees. So Radhanath Swami wanted to leave him
and say that I don't want to work under you anymore. I will work under Juhu or I will work under
ISKCON. But he felt at the same time that I have been with him all the way. And he's a very, very
important disciple Parbhupada one of the first disciples of Prabhupada. Somehow or other that I should

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be with him for some more years and convince him to come back to ISKCON. So, he was with him
between 1986 to 1992. In 1993 The League of devotees was merged into ISKCON back, back into
ISKCON it was called as ISKCON. So in this six years, was the time when I used to go to the Juhu
programs also.
And when I came to Chowpatty, 1991 they used to read a book called as Eternal Love by Kiratanannda
Swami. I also used to read that book, very nice book meditations to supersoul and all that. So and also
there's a book called song of God, which is a English translation of Bhagavada gita in poetry form which
is written by Kirtanananda Swami we used to read. I have not seen Kirtanananda Swami face to face I
have not seen but I used to hear his lectures which would come over phone from America. We have
heard the lectures. So people in Chowpatty at that time they would be hearing such lectures from him

Radhanath Swami maharaja was taking care for devotees:

And Radhanath Swami was sent as a representative to take care of devotees in Bombay because he
could not come regularly. And Radhanath Swami actually did not assume the role of Guru in those days.
He was only like, assistant to him transparently representing the teaching coming and teaching
everybody this was going on. So 1991 September I was introduced to Juhu. So 1991 August end and
September beginning September, October, November, December, January. I was in touch with Juhu
devotees going to Juhu temple every day. In January I came for the debate competition to Chaupathy.

Prabhuji’s first meet with Bhakti Rasamrita Swami Maharaja:

There I Saw Bhakti Rasamrita Swami Maharaja first time and they went to the temple. And then I saw
that the temple is wonderful and devotees are very wonderful because Radhanath Swami is giving
personal time guidance growing them and everything very nicely. And they were getting very nourished
reading chanting very nicely into serious group. Our Bhakti pada’s intentions must have been good
means he wanted to make a very serious society and a nice society and all that. And Radhanath Swami
needless to say about him, even in the early days he was very, very purely preserving his spiritual life
and everything.

Radhanath Swami was assured to get him back:

But Radhanath Swami was always calling people like Bhakti Charu Maharaja, Jay Pataka swami
Maharaja, and even Tamala krishna Maharaja came also in 1992. I saw him also. So they were actually
taking it as ISKCON only they were coming. Radhanath Swami was friendly with everybody in
ISKCON. They were coming also. And Radhanath Swami had told them that it is my duty to convince
Kirtanananda Swami to connect this unit to ISKCON back, I will do that but give me some time he told
that. And this fall down which I told you, which Kiratanananda Swami had fall down means he didn't
want to take any more disciples and he wanted to withdraw from the guruship that was in 1992. So till
1992 he used to give initiation also in Chaupathy, Kirtanannanda Swami. And when he left some 3-4
hundred congregation also left. And that is why, in 1992-93 you'll find there'll be only 150 people earlier
there are about 5-6 hundred people and only 150 people were there. Those who loved Radhanath Swami
they remained loyal to Radhanath Swami and they followed.

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Prabhujis take initiations and reinitiations from Radhanath maharaja:
So when I came once Bhakti Rasamrita maharaja called me and told me that this has happened this is a
letter which has come very brokenhearted because we knew Kirtanananda Swami before we had a lot of
fondness for him and his teachings and well but now when I came to know this, it came as a bit of shock
for me because we thought both of them as gurus Radhanath Swami, as well as Kirtanananda Swami.
But I didn't accept shelter of anyone till then. So my batch was the first batch in which Radhanath
Swami gave initiation 1993 May I took initiation. So, Maharaja gave names directly before that.
Somebody else had a name from Kiratanananda Swami, they were given a new name by Maharaj. You
know Govinda Prabhu was earlier Tattwa Das so he became Govinda prabhu. Krishnananda prabhu was
earlier kardambha muni Das now he became Krishnananda das. Kardhambha muni got married also so
Maharaja though better we give you a new name just a delight in Krishna’s holy name, he became
Krishnananda Prabhu. Devamrita prabhu he kept the same name. Devamrita Das he gets same name.
same name also. So these things were done then maharaja gave 1993 onwards. At that time, I heard
many, many lectures from many great souls. On how to take shelter. That sense picking these things up,
because Bhakti Rasamrita Swami maharaja and others they underwent a great turmoil also at that time
because they were earlier sheltered and Kirtanananda Swami, and then they were sheltered in Radhanath
Swami after that.

“One should approach current link or spiritual master in the chain of disciplic
succession. After being initiated by the proper spiritual master in that chain of
succession, one should engage himself in discharge of tapasya in the execution
of devotional service.
”

Current link:
So they met many, many gurus in ISKCON and then they learned at that time I also learned very well,
this lesson that I should hold on to Prabhupada’s lotus feet very strongly through his Bhaktivedanta
Purports, his teachings and everything. And whichever Guru has been appointed by GBC as authorized
guru from whom I'm taking diksha and he is the current link to the Parampara for me, from whome I
should take guidance Prabhupada says in one purport again, in folio, you put the word current link,
Antardweep prabhu you have the word current link? you put in folio you will get one sentence
Prabhupada says that in the name of taking shelter of Prabhupada one should not become a ritwik. One
should take shelter the current link Prabhupada says that current link is our Guru read that sentence
sentence?

Antardweep Prabhu: One should approach current link or spiritual master in the chain of disciplic
succession. After being initiated by the proper spiritual master in that chain of succession, one should
engage himself in discharge of tapasya in the execution of devotional service.

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Person Bhagavad And Book Bhagvad :
Yeah. Yeah got it No. So we need a living person who can know us one to one. And like all of you
cannot be known to diksha Guru that is why you are you are given sikshsa gurus also you understand no.
Because every person needs one living person to know you. If you are not known any living preson but
sayonh no no I'm reading books and I am following. No you cannot follow because you only read books
you will. You will have a screener screen in your eyes. You will only take things which you want to
follow selectively will follow and things that you don't want to follow. You won't follow. But if you
have somebody right above you watching you. He will say, Hey, come on, why are you doing arthakuta
anyaya? Yeah, taking half and not following other half, follow properly, they can guide you, Prabhupda
Bhagvada and person Bhagawad book bhagavada will give you knowledge and keep quiet personal
bhagavada will twist your ears and tell you do this, this is the right thing, he says. So, we should so we
have our many shiksha gurus from whom we get shiksha, then we have our diksha Guru, then we have
Prabhuada the prominent Acharya from prominent shiksha guru for everybody in ISKCON founder
Acharya for society and the whole guru Parampara is there.

“Book bhagavada will give you knowledge and keep

quiet but personal bhagavada will twist your ears”

Prabhupada’s book is the safest shelter:

See as far as Prabhupada is concerned, Prabhupada is already gone back to Godhead. So, he has
perfectly lived his life. So, we have no reason to have any doubts in Prabhupada and he has given his
teachings, but Prabhupada siddhanta is there in his books, next class when I come, I'll tell you, why
everything is in Prabhipada’s books, five points we will discuss it in another future class. Everything is
in Prabhupada’s books. So then we will get full conviction that yes, if I take shelter of Prabhupada’s
books, my life will be perfect. Even my writings are all based on Prabhupada’s books only. I write very
close to Prabhupada’s books. I take Prabhupada’s commentries, and I actually elaborate it what
Prabhupada is saying I just elaborate just like Prabhupada takes Krishna’s commentary, Krishna’s verses
and then he elaborates what Krishna says, and I elaborate even more what Prabhupada says. That's all I
do. I give a little scientific touch or rational touch to it. That's what I do otherwise, mostly, my writings
are all based directly on Prabhupada’s Bhaktivedanta purports. So we should not deviate from the spirit
of the Acharyas. What he wants to say. We should stick to that. And so when, while in our movement
Prabhupada shelter that's why it’s shown here. So that the diksha gurus and shiksha gurus everybody
should follow Prabhupada you understand no.

You have right to ask question:

Now I will ask you one question. For example, if you find one of your shiksha gurus teaching something
totally opposite to Prabhupada a totally opposite to diksha Guru, then you have the right to ask question

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if you find that you are learning something, which you feel that it is not in line with Parampara you are
getting some doubts like I told siddha Swarupananda he was promoting himself so Prabhupada at one
time, so observed that and then Prabhupada disciples came and told him and then eventually he became
deviated after it got lost Actually, yeah, there are many people who got lost like that. Because, before
falling down, there are some symptoms that one may show like I told you about that Russian guru, I was
telling you. Similarly, if one is showing some symptoms of deviation, one has to be very cautious and
one has to know that I am in Prabhupada’s mission Prabhupada said never leave ISKCON. Prabhupada
said ISKCON is my body. We should never leave it. So even though any of my superiors will leave is
gone. I will not leave ISKCON. Till my last breath I will stay. And Prabhupada said that if you see that
ISKCON is not fulfilling my spirit. You stay in the society and try to reform it Prabhupada said.

“Prabhupada said ISKCON is my body”

Why Prabhupad didn’t stay in Gaudia matha to reform it:

Now, we may say, Prabhupada Why you didn't stay in Gaudiaya matha to reform it. He could have done
it but Gaudiya matha did not make GBC only. There was no question of reforming they made separate
matadi-patis and they went away only. There was no society only. First of all, if society is not there what
will he reform, but in ISKCON that's not the case. ISKCON of having GBC they are united. They may
have differences in opinion, but they never give up. Anybody who is giving up and going away, he
cannot be trusted.

Story One baby – two claiming mothers:

So see try to understand you all know the Solomon story. One Solomon had two women who came to
him and said this baby is mine this baby is mine, both of them were crying, and he was wondering he
didn't know what to do. Then he said he was a very intelligent king. He said I'll cut the baby into two
and give it half-half to each of you, is that all right? And one lady said, my dear king justs you are so
wise? Thank you very much. She said, another lady said, come on What are you saying? You're gonna
cut the child into two? better let child be with her. At least time to time I can see the child. On and off. I
may not have the child but I want the child to be safe. She said. King said that child is yours. Another
said how do you say that. Put her into jail? He said she's a rascal. Rasclyy (Devotees laugh….) you
know, see, she has some quarrel with this lady and she's demanding that child. But actually the child is
this lady’s she said. So that child represents a mission. When two devotees have a quarrel, what is the
proof? You know, who is right who is wrong if you see you know, anybody may be right and anybody
may be wrong. But the devotee who wants to save the mission, he's actual devotee. Not the devotee who
is ready to destroy the mission for his personal false ego.

“The devotee who wants to save the mission, he's actual devotee”

“Not the devotee who is ready to destroy the mission for his personal false
ego.”

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Prabhupada said wherever two people-clashes will be there:
Yeah. In this world, Prabhupada went to one temple, he asked the president, how are things
Prabhupada… our temple is so wonderful? It's like Goloka Vrindavana. There are no problems.
Everybody is happy Prabhuppada they had blissful chanting, dancing getting Prashada Prabhupada said
nonsense, don't cheat me. He said, nowhere you can have a peaceful place where there are two people
there must be quarrel Prabhupada said, you cannot have peace. But in that problem also, we should
continue cooperation. We should continue to cooperate. You put two tables in a room, there'll be no
problems to put to the living entities in a room problem, because they have free will. And they have
opinions. They have ideologies, you know, they have misunderstandings. Surely there will be
differences. But keeping houses under the lotus feet of Krishna and guru Parampara, we can cooperate.
It's possible. So if somebody says, Hey, I'm unhappy with this place. I'm going off. That means he's not
Prabhupada’s man. He's the cheater. We cannot follow him.

If any of my superiors leave ISKCON and go, I will not leave:

So if any of my superiors leave ISKCON and go, I will not leave. Even if a guru ISKCON and goes, I
will not go with him. I'll stay in ISKCON. Big shock for you. Because that's why I'm telling you what
should be our shelter. Tomorrow, if my guru starts a new movement, I will say that you are my guru,
very wonderful, you can start a new movement outside wherever you want. I will stay in ISKCON and I
will come time, time I whatever lessons you taught me, I will follow it. I sincerely I will learn but I will
not leave Prabhupada’s shelter. So, because to me, that is why I said charismatic?
Devotees: hijackers.

Some joined ISKCON and left examples:

Hijackers, some people joined our movement like for example, Tripurari Swami and Parma Advaita
Swami. They joined Prabhupada at one time to Tripurari Swami was called as incarnation of book
distribution by Prabhupada, but now they left ISKCON. They went and joined Bhaktivriksha Shridhara
Maharaja and Prabhupada would be very unhappy. Some people left ISKCON. Jadoorani mataji left
ISKCON and she joined Narayana Maharaja, some people have lived so Prabhupada clearly said if you
want to serve me You should never leave ISKCON. Because if you keep somehow you cooperate and
keep it united then the society can fulfill the mission of Lord Chaitanya which is 10,000 years’ mission.
If all of you get divided you go and join Gaudiya matha, you join Narayana maharaja, you join here you
join there then you will ruin the society then ISKCON will also simply will become separate mathas.

ISKCON’s prominent gurus:

Similarly, in ISKCON there are prominent gurus in North India see there is,
 Delhi temple Gopal Krishna Maharaja is prominent
 In Bombay Chaupathy Radhanath Swami is very prominent
 In South India Jay Pataka Swami is very prominent.

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  So in Salem HH Bhakti Vikasa swami is very prominent, we may have like that, not wrong that
somebody is very prominent,

You have choice always:

But we cannot say that Everybody should take diksha only from him, you cannot make like that that is
bogus, that is not ISKCON rule. They may be prominent because of their power and potency and they
are giving inspiration to everybody. But everybody should be clearly told, there are authorized gurus
some 70-80 it gurus in ISKCON. And you can see all of them hear from all of them. And then you have
the freedom to take initiation from whom ever you're inspired by we may sometimes feel, see there are
advantages in taking from the same guru because many of his friends will be taking from him and if I
also take you know, they will feel friendly, if I take from some other guru they will not even look, look
at me also, they may neglect me that those kind of fears some people may have also. So, people take
from the same guru for various reasons, social pressure is there, peer pressure is there. Many reasons
like that. And another time our mind also is unable to decide many times I like him also I like him also.
You know, somebody says that Prabhuji is giving wonderful lectures, only thing is he doesn’t give
shelter, then this Prabhuji gives a nice shelter and this prabhuji personal time. That Prabhuji only gives
nice lectures, but no personal time people consider many, many factors. So many different things like
but ultimately you consider all factors then you should decide one guru, whom you accept as diksha
guru, you understand no.

Don’t become deviated stay and reform it:

So Prabhupada said that ISKCON is my body, you should never leave ISKCON, you should try to bring
ISKCON to the right standards. And you can reform ISKCON make it better. I don't say ISKCON is
best, I mean problems in our society, but if you try to reform it, and we should not become deviated
from this society, similarly, there has to be proper connectivity between the people in Parampara, for
example, there is Prabhupada. And then we have over GBC, and next to GBC, the temple president, and
there are many devotees. So sometimes there can be a connectivity lost also.

Everybody has a unique nature:

Like right now, for example, my preaching may be very straightforward. I'm a straightforward speaker.
So my spiritual master doesn't speak so straightforward he may be a little careful and sensitive. while
speaking to people he stresses a lot on human sensitivity. So regarding this I asked my spiritual master
maharaja like one Shyamananda prabhu asked maharaja. Maharaja people say that I am joking too
much. I'm too frivolous. I want to people say that better try to become like grave like Bhakti rasamrita
Swami Maharaj so maharaja I'm trying to practice from today. Please give me your blessings. Maharaja
gave a big laughter and laughed like anything he said, he said everybody has a unique nature, you cannot
change it. maharaja said, some people if you tell them there is a program in the evening Can you go
before you complete the sentence They run outside Tell me where are the program I'm ready to go. And
other people 10 times you tell them they are shy to go and preach. So shy people are shy people
outgoing people are outgoing people. And you know, people who are straightforward are

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straightforward people soft people are soft people and like you will find straightforward people soft
things also they speak straightforwardly, only and soft people, straightforward things also this is very
softly like you know, I've seen very soft people, even if they see the strong things also that also appears
very soft. You will see that everybody has certain nature you cannot change it.

“Everybody has a unique nature; you cannot change it”

Swarupa, Swadharma and Swabhava:

This is actually called you know, once nature's in which one is born, there is Swarupa there is for
Swadharma and Swabhava. So, swarupa is in the spiritual sky your relationship with Krishna has a gopa
or gopi whatever. Swadharma are the gunas in which you are born. Somebody's has Kshetriya guna like
you know, you can be Ksetriya-vaishnava like Bhima somebody is a Brahmana-vaishnava, somebody is
a sudra-vaishnava. So, they are born according to certain gunas and Swadharma guṇa-karma-
vibhāgayoḥ, [B.G-3.28] he says, you know, somebody may have a little rajas more Somebody has sattva
more or somebody has tama more but they are always Viashnavas they're all count as vaishnavas like
Bhima is eating so much Raghunath Das Goswami is eating once in three days little chhaz but both are
vaishnavas.

VOICE devotee example:

Similarly, one vaishnava may go to a boy in the morning prabhuji sade char baje utha nahi abhi tak you
know that follow may say, Prabhuji I think I'm sick you know should I get a Doctor No doctor and all
don't get but I am thinking I'm sick you want this tablet antibiotic not antibiotics and all but then what is
the problem? I think I have fever prabhuji when you only think you don't have it actually. Get up
prabhuji and that fellow says anyway prabhuji thoda der ho gya thoda adha ghanta sone se fayada
milega. you know, anyway I have to write maha mantra. (devotees laughing….) So, some people are
very straight forward other people they will go to him and massage the feet very softly. And then he
prabhuji kya kr rhe hai ..apko thoda bukhar hai kya prabhuji….ha ha prabhuji…..thik hai so jayiye..
another prabhu will come and say prabhuji ko fever hai…. He will say…kaha bukhar hai thermometer
leke ao dekhenge you know you understand see two different people two authorities may react
differently correct no.

Swadharma cannot be changed but Swabhava can be:

So that we had one topic all getting along well with others some years ago, Maharaja spoke on this in
this room with eight devotees were there brahmacaris. I have the notes also he spoke about two to three
hours anything maharaja has said. So at that time maharaja was telling that everybody is born of a
certain type of Swadharma nature, like Bhima is Bhima only you cannot change them. Yudhistir is
Yudhistir only. Yudhistir more sttwata he is more soft and taking side of the Draupadi also telling
Ashwathama should not be killed. Is it not true, and bhima goes another side. So maharaj was saying

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Swadharma can not be changed, but Swabhava should be changed in Swabhava means what we all have
a secondary Swabhava and if it is hurting others, we should change it surely.

Straightforward and soft people:

For example, strong people straightforward people, if they become aggressive, if it is hurting others,
they have to change soft people due to the soft nature they are unable to say no to others, then your yes,
yes have no meaning at all. Is it not? Have you seen how many of you have seen people not saying no
but then later on, you understand it was no only you understood no. Yeah. So, you have seen that.

Can’t say a sweet noo…..

Like for example, one lady said in the computer company interview, she said that Indians, you know,
they're good people in one thing because they're very, very obedient, she said When a call from America
for Indian call I asked them so by When will you complete the job? Madam whenever you tell we will
complete madam. By Friday, will it get over? So on Saturday Sunday we can submit the project. Yes,
mam Friday. We will do it mam. Then she calls on Friday. Is the job done. Sorry, ma'am. Sorry. What?
Sorry. You said you will finish. I just needed a day more madam, you could have told me before. This
was there that was there. While you were an intern way before? No. I thought you will be unhappy
because you wanted the Friday. Okay. At least tomorrow you finish it. And she says she has to tell again
and again Saturday, Sunday Monday. So then she understood in for Indians. If you aren't on Monday,
you should say you want on Friday. Then only they'll give on Monday. So she's a she's a lady trainer.
She's a trainer from America. She says that she's studying the Indian psychology because they have to
work a lot with Indians. offshore projects and all they do no Indians they do. So she's telling Indians are
very polite and very submissive, very well behaved, but they don't know how to say a sweet No.
Understand. So, but there are other people they say means it is done. If you say it is done that's all
finished. How many of you would like to have an assistant to whom if you told him it is done?

Perfectism and softness:

You like to have assistance like that, correct no. We all are looking for. But the only thing is they are
very straightforward people many times. They may be punctual, maybe intellectual, they may do things
perfectly. But perfectionism has its charm. But perfectionism has its problems also. In perfectionism,
that is also aggression whereas in softness, there is charm in softness, there is postponement, and
spontaneity. So there are pluses and minuses in both, you can see that. So, maharaja was telling that
everybody is born of certain nature, you cannot change that. But if there is some component which is
bad in us we should change it, he was telling.

“Perfectionism has its charm. But perfectionism has its problems also”

Change your nature if it’s hurting others:

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So this is individual behavior he told shyamananda prabhu you be what you are, he said and that's what
devotees like in you suddenly if you give up all your laughter and jokes and everything become like
Bhakti Rasamrita Maharaja, people will feel very unhappy. Kya ho gaya prabhuji ko abhi. Imagine just
started walking like Bhakti Rasamrita Swami mahraja and talking like him very gravely, they will ask
kya ho gaya prabhuji depression ho gya apaka (..Devotees laughing loudly….) they will ask you know
is it not you know and Maharaja was comparing look at Sankirtan prabhu look at Gauranga prabhu what
different personalities we have maharaja said they have much different natures. That whole class he was
a nature he was talking about. Maharaja said you keep your nature but anything hurting in your nature
that you have to change because ultimately you should not live in the body of vaishnavas in a way that
unnecessarily you bring unhappiness to them.

No compromise on siddhanta:
So, but the siddhanta should be kept intact in teaching the siddhanta you cannot compromise on
Sidhanta. So, ultimately diksha Guru shiksha gurus everybody should be representing Prabhupada and
the disciple, actually we get nourishment from our diksha Guru. And we also get some different shiksha
gurus amongst some will be diksha gurus is also correct now.

You can take inspirations from many:

Say for example, I may hear Radha Govinda Maharaja Bhagavat katha. Nice. I may also some other,
many of the other guru’s disciple also like we were hearing from Gauranga Prabhu yesterday, so nice it
was. And we hear from Gaurakrishna Prabhu then from Ganganarayana Prabhu, and they're all our
Shiksha gurus, because their shiksha is influencing us we are benefiting from it. So which means you
can take inspiration from many also. Of course, each of you eventually when you grow to a certain stage
when you come to the Bhakti Shastri level we tell devotees now you can hear from many and then you
identify people whose teachings are really nourishing your soul and deeply having an effect it's very
good clarity you get very thorough clarity like I get a lot of my siddhantik strength from Prabhupada
books and Prabhupada’s lectures and everything and then get all my Sadacara from Radhanatah Swami
maharaja’s lectures and that is the reason why in our VOICEs we have put Radhanath Swami’s lectures
for training people.

Radhanath Swami maharaj is expert in giving sadacar :

People may ask, are you trying to take everybody to Radhanath Swami only, that is not our goal.
Actually, even many other gurus also here Radhanath Swami’s lectures, especially for Gaura katha and
sadacara and many of the other gurus are also hearing Radhanath Swami’s lectures for fine-tuned
vaishnava behavior. And because Radhanth Swami is a genius in that and we are we all have to learn it.

Ahankara is beyond intelligence:

Because many times you know, Ahankara is beyond intelligence. So, without intelligence sometimes we
cannot understand certain things, and if someone can help us to clean our false ego, then we can
Understand. So that is why those lectures are put for you in your morning syllabus and everything. So,

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in this way we should be sheltered in the movement of Prabhupada sidhanta through shiksha gurus and
diksha gurus.

“your counselor is not your counselor; you are counselee of the counselor board. But
your counselor is given to you for personal touch”

And if you have any confusion, one more interesting thing I'll tell you, your counselor is not your
counselor, you are counselee of the counselor body. But your counselor is given to you for personal
touch, for example, so some X devotee is your counselor. If he speaks something, or if you say
something or does something which is disturbing to your mind about some another devotee he is
speaking or about anything is saying, but you are confused about what he's saying it may be
sidhantically wrong. It may be a connected vaishnava relationship, some problem you have then what
you should do.

If I fall down, you should not follow me:

You have the right to consult other counselors. You can go and meet up because you are not counselee
of only that person. Yeah, Counselee of the whole body. Tomorrow something happens to like I told in
those days to Premnidhi prabhu Gaursundar prabhu. If I fall down, you should not follow me. I said,
then you should follow someone else who is in good standing. You know they cried with tears they said
how can you say such a thing prabhu aa They were making a big issue out of it. I said hey don't be
sentimental and tell and telling you practical facts, no no prabhuji you will never fall down. We know it.
Prabhuji they said, I said, Okay, you can have that type of faith. But I also don't want to fall down who
want to fall down. (Devotes laugh….) you know. And I want to practice lifelong, you know, but I'm
telling in case No, no property doesn’t say any possibility. We don't want to think of that also, say we
are emotional beings, you know, because we are emotional. Sometimes thinking rationally becomes
difficult. But to be in this world, we should be prepared for anything. If, like in Puna, few devotees were
disturbed some time ago some brahmacaris were disturbed, their counselors are put in turmoil. I met
them also. Some of them came to me and some of them didn't come to me also they were afraid can’t go
to Radheshyam prabhu. If you talk to Radheshyam Prabhu what will our counselor think. Then I called
and told them you are not counselee of a counselor, you are counselee of the counselor board, and the
counselor board has given you one person for personal touch and tomorrow if you find some problem
with the immediate counselor, you go to the counselor board and meet anybody Are you meet
somebody, like temple president or somebody ask or go to even somebody above me also you can go
you can go to go to Govinda prabhu or Gauranga prabhu and you have the freedom to meet anybody, in
case you're feel Puna system has certain things I'm not very confidently. Better go to Chaupathy and ask
some senior devotees, you have the right to ask.

Anybody can go to anybody in devotee circle:

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So you have relationship, not only with your one person, because if you keep one with that person, it's
very, very dangerous for you. Because emotionally we all develop attachment to one person which is not
wrong. But that emotional attachment should not blind us of our connection to a larger tree of our some
of vaishnavas, the whole Vaishnava body we should know that. In those days when somebody would go
to complain to Gauranga prabhu Govinda prabhu or Sanathkumar prabhu I would feel very bad. I am in
Puna Why are you going to Bombay to complain to them, you know that this was in I remember 2001
and 2002 later on Govinda prabhu told me once Radheshyam prabhu if they had trust in you, why will
they come to us? If they had full trust, you know they would have told you the very fact that they are
coming and saying something to us. They want to open up something which they're afraid to open up to,
then it hit me hard. I realized yesterday. And then he told me, if you allow them to open up to us, then
we can help you. Oh, that's wonderful. I also want to help not that I'm all in all you know, I am not
Krishna, I am not faultless. So then I can get help from them. That means, you know, instead of these
people telling me, they may tell somebody who may tell me, but this gradually I got Realization, and
gradually my heart became blossomed and open. Then I told devotees anybody can go to anybody. And
you can tell about me. In fact, don't keep it with yourself.

Pressure cooker Example:

You need some steam valve also. You know, you know in a cooker build pressure you know then it goes
down. Is it not true. Otherwise you know no one day it explodes. So, when do you think this is the only
person my nath my master and whatever he says, I, I am like a frog in the well no, we cannot have any
relation with anybody. This is a very dangerous situation for us. I am telling you this thing very openly
because at that time Kirtanananda Swami’s thing happened. I learned all these things from many, many
devotees and many different devotees.

We should be properly sheltered:

And so how we should be sheltered properly. So now somebody may feel Prabhuji is it not that we are
associating with so many vaishnavas, we will become so broad minded that we will not have a thick
connection with anybody. That will be another whole topic we will discuss called broad mindedness
versus chastity. That is another whole topic we should discuss about Another time after finishing on I
said one more class I will give one which when I say five reasons how everything is in Prabhupada
books, we will finish that, then we will talk on that broad mindedness versus loyalty. We'll talk about
that. chastity.
Yeah. So, yes, we should not become whimsical.

Don’t look for suggestions that you like:

Like for example, I asked my counselor prabhuji. I got a job in McDonald's should I join and no, no
prabhuji McDonald's is a slaughterhouse, you should not join go to another counselor and asked
Prabhuji. I got a job in a wonderful company, famous company worldwide. He said very nice. Krishna
has restored His mercy on you prabhu very good Haribol. He says and he goes. He joined McDonald
under contract, I told you not to join. I have consulted another counselor prabhuji. That is not proper.

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You understand no, you should not become a cheater. In the name of consulting many people, actually
people keep on consulting seniors until they are told you know what they want That is where is very
dangerous. So we can be happy with the counselor allotted to us. But in case there is some something
which you feel you need a consultation because that can be problems with everybody that you all can a
problem of whimsical behavior similar counselor can have problem of possessiveness also.

Counselors should be liberal:

Yeah, like for example, in one voice, there are many leaders emerging. We want to send some of those
readers to other projects, where which which may not be directly related to your counselor, but we want
all our counselors to be liberal in giving devotees, any project like our kanai thakur prabhu very
gracefully gave Harshvardhana prabhu for Chennai. Yeah, Hari Bol kanai thakur prabhu didn’t feel that
I'm not in Chennai. I'm not a PA there should I give or not he didn't feel like that. He liberally give so
Harshavardhan prabhu has been a pm here, he has been a pm and COEP also surabhi kunj. Now he will
be playing a very important role in IIT Chennai very beautiful project. So in this way we want all
counselors to be liberal in giving you know some of the grown up devotees without saying see, we
become very sectarian if you say that I have five VOICES only there I will put my people you know,
within this five from here I'll put there and from there I'll put here so we don't put we want them to be
liberal we want to see them the larger picture of VOICE not only VOICE I am even giving notice to
other temples also. You have seen no going to Calcutta Kanpur, we are giving to other places.

ISKCON is Prabhupada’s Home:

Because wherever I go to ISKCON I see ISKCON is Prabhupada’s home you see prabhupada sitting at
the extreme end. So it's our it's like our grandfather's home and any ISKCON temple I go I don't feel I
straightaway go to asrama put my bag and go for a bath take prashada I have no uneasiness I feel like at
home when I go to any ISKCON temple and that that culture we have to create. Similarly relating with
all the Guru's I have spoken on one talk on this. How I relate closely with Navayogendra maharaja,
Gopalkrishna maharaja, Lokanath maharaja very important you should make them feel happy because
you are not my guru what to do what do you want no tell me, you know you should not deal with them
like that.

“ISKCON is Prabhupada’s Home”

Large family example similarly creates Vaishnava family:

See in your own family how many times you chachaji and Nana ji and Mama Kaka people keep
relationship in the family and if you can be so sometimes a mama takes care of a bhanja or somebody as
if he's his own child. In families you can see that, like one uncle is sending money for the whole B.tech
course for a boy from America. Because his sister is in India she is not so rich. Sending all the money in
family how people help each other. Why in our spiritual society, we should be so sectarian you see it’s

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foolishness actually. And Prabhupada would be very happy if we create that type of a large family
culture in ISKCON. So Similarly, I am President of pune temple if you find that the way I am operating
in certain ways in Puna everybody knows we have strict morning program we have strict discipline
everything.

You have right to check things:

If any of you feel that certain things are done in Puna which you are not confident about you want to
check you have right to check with Govinda prabhu Gauranga prabhu. You have the right to check not
only them even Radha Gopinath prabhu Shyamananda prabhu Sanath kumar prabhu Gaur Gopal prabhu.
So, you have full freedom to talk and, and there are people also in Puna, who went to Bombay and they
never came back. Like in our the congregation they have become devotees like one Girish prabhu and
others. I never was unhappy with them. I said in case you are very comfortable in Chaupathy
congregation, there's a vast congregation, you are more fitting there. That kind of thing. You have the
freedom to join there. Prabhuji, I'm sorry. Prabhuji. And I did not fulfill your dreams in Puna and I said
no, wherever you are, at least you are nicely connected. You are in the temple like some devotees went
to America Denver. We have one Sanatana prabhu priya prabhu? No, I called him back to Puna very,
very wonderful devotee from Arvi college. But he said, prabhuji I have developed strong bonds there.
And I want to serve in the temple, probably for my life. I said, no problem. We allowed them. Basically,
we want to see them flourish. If we become too fruitive in our mentality, everybody should come to
Puna. I will preach to you and you serve under my feet only in a very, that is you know very sectarian
approach. Okay, if they want to serve in another place, they are more happy, they have got their founder
place their identity there Yeah, let them serve, but somebody is feeling a strong connection in Puna then
come back to Puna. So now, I will not take more time you have to go to college. Also, it's getting late. I
didn't see the clock on there. So most of the things I wanted to say I have told, but I couldn't take
question answers my request to you. If you get any questions, write down and give it a Prashada prabhu
and keep it the next time I'll answer when I come.

Shrila Prabhupada ki..

Devotees: Jai.
Gaurabhakta vrinda ki..
Devotees: Jai

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