LYLE
MAYS
By Michael Davis
LEAST of slr jazz uta
Pa Metheny ales his aby 10
choose compatible sidemen. The
Kegs payer nthe Pat Maher Gr,
tye Mass. perfect example, Not only
theyre to hes
fe blending of elcric puter and acoustic
Pano arte bass fhe quartet’ isin
fre Son, ba he as succently ne
twine hs wring abit with Pat’ 3s wel
The mo sare composing credits on hal the
tunes on The Pat Metheny Group (ECM,
Wi) ad at he on ht bm
‘Anercan Garage (ECM, 158
When asked to describe the band’s
rosie, iyle replied, "Well, we've a Jazz
Group — want that in big eters Were not
2 foson group; there® one ting leat
Stand, ts the fon label. At these tne
ste completely cut aro any se thing
an go nywhere There a certain tunes
where we stick to structures that have
Morked These things have evolied over the
space of two year and were not about to
hang tem forthesake ot eng eratves
Within those structures, anything can hep
There are ao a ew pont in the set
where we have no klea whats going to
happen” he continues "We pst of Pa
and he can point anything fom a tock sed
roll medley toa Steve Rekh pece To pure
avantgarde space think our hoa se
cu nn sve whatever the product ofthe
four of us Pat Lyle, bast Mark Egan, and
dunever Dan Gated sce our ous
‘one ofthe few groups who have remained
Bestive and optimistic n te 7 Tages
think we've gotten decadent or diesurset
We jt pay the mucha comes pata,
10, pen the freedom, Manfred he”
producer at ECM] has gen ore fe
undths nthe musicthatwevecomerncah
Ns pure onldence thatthe Buh ts
Hard work ha abo been factor in thee
success. With the band onthe feadsa ne,
othe tie therehasntbeenmachsoenie
sie projects Pat and tye did marae
Squeeze na wor backing Joni Micha
une and he are onthe esos
from hose dats whichwasrecenty ean,
IShadowa And Light, Aaya, BE OMe eae
also did some synthesizer overdahse
ome, an upcoming ECM albums bree
Steve allow bused onthe poate
Seren ned onthe poems cha
When asked about his musical backe
B contoroen
MY KEDOARDOCIONER 99
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round, Mays lists Bill Evans,
and Igor Stravinsky as early influences and
acknowledges Keith jarrett, Eberhard Weber,
$teve Reich, and the Dixie Dregs as ome of
ites But he admits that he
‘much jazz these days, pre
wsicand new wave rock and
Frank Zappa,
“Clasical musi,” he expl
tomate Musi.” he explains, “appeals
been ects realy inteligent muse Is
bo lover the years; itsstood the
sometime the whole ciche.Butfadere,
"composers that
Mahler, Bartok,
based what they did
and came up withthe
‘tended the waditon =”
Stravinsky, Prokofiey
envhat ane
fine sera
Serta te
Rdiemecndag germs
seamed
for live music. 7
le onstage or too grand’.
ha rss
{00 many ey
‘conception
you forget that there are live
Personalities and quirks, What
to hear when they come to hea
they want you to bare your sou
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your soul is bound up in alot of eet
Bear and supercomplex arrange
eves me fa someting ge
Like the kind of music he
he
ut
roots are uncomplicated and une
He was born in rural Wisconsin a
the country
ith its 500 inhabitants, a5 15
The Mays family had an old upl
that had been handed down ft
the nearest town,
mie,
no
om 6
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ation to generation, and Lyle played Maj
‘music on it. He basically aught
‘make music on the keyboard —
‘out of piano lessons to play i
baseball like just about every!
recalls — and when he went
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per
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Summer camp asa rumpeter feat
man year of high school, he
dose of jazz
Lyles musical eyes were OPe
ra
bp
new Soundh. He began buyin)
first records were by Bill van8
Peterson — and writing big bot
his own. By the time of his hil
‘raduation, Mays had his hearts
a
so
whing North Texas State Univers, which i
favous for big band jz progam, but
Mien the schoel revacied te seholaship
ther he sed fora small state colege n
Waar took couple year thee to
convince Lyle hat ths wasnt what he reall
wanted, we dropped ot hit the oud as
Bel oeie voreccs. oe ore
wana ockand rol show ban nd finaly n
17a. as crept a North Tos Ste,
Seyi! hereby, vas
vinualy rang the az depart came
down iva realy song bey olmusicand
Tad lot of cnet ae wes io nak
‘music that sounded good.” The culmination
Gihsefonswastab SINTSU LD Band Bor
$A38 Nor Toas Sion Denton, HEA,
featuring astdert lg band oratized, con
ducted, and rehearsed by Mays, who also
co-produced the album. The LP was also
pevPated fora Crary award heist
Fensciog tobe 3a honcre.
Mi ies work tracted the nonce of Woody
seman and rey sey ang
Mayrarcepted he veteranbandlesde"s nvr
talon to in his famoun Thundering Herd
After seven or eight months, though, the
Young keybosrdat called it quit had had
Ill of bg bands etre ths" he explains
jazz keyboardist
& COMPOSER With
the par metHENy GROUp
“and this job was just not good timing. Itwas
like being on a minor league baseball team,
We travelled in a bus and played the same
tes that those teams playin Abo, Fveseen
people get typecast as big band players.
Nobody wants to work with them in any
cother kind of music. 1 dida't want that to
happen to me.”
Eventually Mays moved to New York,
where he landed a job with R&B singer
‘Marlena Shaw. One night just before a con-
cert, Shaw fired her guitarist, and when
young Pat Metheny showed up to say hello
tole, whom he had met at the Wichita Jazz
Festival in 1975, he was hired on the spot as
his replacement. The two friends worked
together behind the singer for two or three
weeks; that'll the time ittook for Metheny
10 talk Mays into moving up to Boston,
recording one album, Watercolors [ECM,
1057] with him and two other musicians, and
joining the band he plays keyboards with
Tt was the beginning of a fruitful partner-
ship, but we wondered ifthe two individu-
ally-minded musicians played together as
smoothly in the beginning as they do now.
There was only one way to find out
DIP, YOU AND PAT ply together as
smoothly in the beginning 3s you do
now?
{think so, even though atone time! think
Pat didn't ike playing with piano players; 1
know I didn't like playing with guitar players.
just though that guitar players would get in
my way and that piano players get in the way
(of guitar payers. But think that both Patand
T were so aware ofthe potential problems of
those two instruments playing together in a
jazz context that we just looked for solutions,
and from the fist time we played together, i
Worked. We have asimilarharmonic concep-
tion and we were into ways of blending the
‘wo instruments to get other textures. His
Whole concept from the start was to use
Teoustic piano with his sound, which even
then was unlike any other guitar player's
“That was fine wth me; | was geting tired of
Rhodes. won't play one now. thate‘em. Pat
Saw the potential problems of electric guitar
land Rhodes having certain midrange freqen-
Ges that cash, twas abo his ides to get an
Oberheim; | just showed up at rehearsal and
there was this huge thing siting onthe piano.
Vd never played a synthesizer belore so 1
jumped right into the Four-Voice, sink or
‘Swim. S0 Fm into synthesizers by circum
stance.
Was the equipment you had when you
started the group pretty much the same 25
teed
No, ve expanded quite bit What had
at the beginning wasn acount pln
Oberbeim Fouroice and an auth
the bars taken of anda submarine detector
int 3 pcp That was fel mes pai
through ths Atousie 150 utara att
tad rm my rock and rol ays than ty
setup. | sounded awh but as what me
fad’ Since then Te added a touoke
Yamaha intuments that realy happy
with, About si rahe afer we began eee
ing wert outwith te tenon of boring
the chespes organ cout idan pe
organ, I our ths ie Yamaha V2 dat
‘Sure great, had ths ile box wih
that sulted ese Ae afer hat ge
this CP elecronc pano. By te isnt
‘much ofan insert, bu played incom
ration with the acusic piano, cn peta
wronderul sound tat ey makes Trent
Bot few more atohaps, ed ust rcerty
fot a Prophet-5. I'm now using a Tangent
$F hare miner, wide worst ad
Trotureas ores meres Tet
essa ee ee
thine called Mark Proce 30 te prety
truch evoved ino a state-of-the at se
eral Al the money we've mace from the
rou, which hasnt Boon that moc as
Foon dearecled backs pape ad
all the money Pats mode Fas pone io
sent ang» rate, yo ¢
sound gptem, Were now carying |
fgand plano on the rod wih tsa ane
vig Slenway, $50.0 numer Forme
its he best pano ever, caring one wih
bce!
When did you sar doing hat?
Janeth toae We ao hove a computer
ined Lexicon cigal reve for out sound =
tem: can simulate any concert hall oF
chamber. We're also carrying a different
‘model cigar stem tor the mono
Sone cn ear hs eso ono
good Most up these speak
Sind hoe reingieoiandte reat
‘ino But weve sou freak: we're realy
into sound quality. There are maybe seven
‘ga deny onstage dng our sesandve
mimeal er ne
Bo you have any efecs
ono ones the things sud rea
cheesy tome io ial dceysbecause!
think her erance te sound er an
Changing ue them the same way Paes
Sempod ‘there's a real similarity in the sound
ofthe elec Keyboards and syiheszen
hd Pats gutars The syrthese>
sound ike pts and one thea
octoser wenconempoeany KEBOAR‘LYLE MAYS
vay lke a gutar, but thesoand conception §
the same in that Pat and | want the insta
tens sound lr an cher ate han
faving thir bc sounder. Obes
ithe symthesizt for me because the bac
sounisolatandich andl. couple
the digtal delays, it’ js ths huge, warm
Sound. Vm notinto any gimmicky synthesizer
effects; m justintotslushorcestal pad
se volume: pedal on everything because
You have t ply wih expression Bu ou
Side ofthe litle imitation tese box on the
‘organ, I dont use effects
A few years ago, amplifying an a
Piano in an electric group was very afc
That's becauxe mostsound men ae ido
and most pianos sound bad. Kent Nebergall
5 doing our lve sound for us: hes this hot
LA. studio engineer who's doing the gig with
Us because he likes our music He's 80 the
BUY who engineered American Garage, $0
ur sound hasbeen realy good
How do you mike your pano onstage?
Ie tredall the pickups, and cat stand
them ese ose any sort of pickup. So
we're using two mikes, about a fa vay
from the tings as we can getaway wth We
don't stick ‘em down inthe holes, which
abo the wrong thingto do. We havetocover
the piano to avoid leskage fom the drums
that we can lve with, sothat'sa compromise
wwe have to make. Another mistake people
fake that they don tputthe pano treh
reverb, which is sily because t sound So
20d when you do. You hear a plano in’e
oncert hall and is got tons St revere
because ofall the natural ever bul acer,
tically ito the halls. That's the ways pans
should sound, not murfied and dr? ang
lanky. $0 we dont mike too close foe
hammers, we Send it through the cag
‘ever and it jst gets areal neurlsanea
think Wwe get one of the bes ive pong
sounds 've come scoss,
How do you blend the electric piano wth
the acousticr
Tony use the electric piano very bie
‘on a couple of tunes for an orchestral jefe,
That's like my whole conception of ees:
keyboards I think we're one of ie re
STOUPS Out here that are really feat 9,
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ete lead voiceonthe cei
third hi than the acoustic voice = pln
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technique We
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anything in the studio that’s impossible to do.
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How did your writing relationshi; with
Pat develop? ef Z
Wel Weve jus gotten used to wrt
topetheranditseemstobe eater oceans
ta, We rely on eachother or
and editing. What you hace
suggestions
when Pat and | write together
bined sera! Write together isthe com:
ag
opie dot
ae
ess where both of uswere contigs
stantly. On other tunes, one of us tap
come up with a full-blown secton out
cother would fit i into a slot or wre gne
thing based on it or triggered by tele
Cone phrase that had lain dormant ra
months and I took the moti, rently
little bit, and we made “Aistream aude
“American Garage” was sort ofan R&B
that we didn’t know what to do wih Ox
day, Danny and | were just screwing wed
with ths Tock and rll ine a
‘going to play for Pata a joke andi
ut sounding really good. I's al die
People ask us about ita lot but thee?
pattern, Ff
If you're on the road so much
you get together to write?
ntheroad, wees involved why
ing the music that vey seldom ane
up, with anything. We usually wie
were ofthe road Mgettoapanoael
bring a guitar and amp over and el
rite. We try to gettogether every tite
off and come up with somethPS aag
50 you conceive your mate
arrange it, then take t ouronther
recording 1s that the general Pat
Completely | don't undesing
‘more groups don't do it. By thee |
tunes are recorded, we've elit ee
Pars that don’t work. Weve eohel
sion on the road that'sreallysold
Bove, that's our defining
some producer's definitive verso™
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