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(The Self)
René Descartes (1596 – 1650)
• French philosopher, mathematician and
early scientist
• He was a dualist
• Since you can’t see a soul, Descartes said you never see the real
person, and you can never be sure the person you see today isn’t a
different person from yesterday (in the same shell)
• You could develop this into the idea that you are not the same
person you were 10, 15… years ago (or are you?). Therefore does
the soul change over time? (John Locke looked at this question)
* Note, this phrase was coined by the Oxford philosopher Gilbert Ryle in the 1960s to
describe Cartesian dualism to a contemporary audience (not by Descartes himself)
Plato (429? – 347? B.C) and the Soul
• Although Descartes is seen as developing the idea of dualism,
Plato believed in a similar idea – the idea that the real ‘self’ is the ‘soul’
• Plato believed that once the body dies, the soul is free and can be part of true reality (the
World of Forms). Although this is not really the same as the modern concept of Heaven
• The Old Testament does not say much about the afterlife (and nothing about Hell)
• The idea of an immortal soul (and Heaven) was originally a Christian idea which later
influenced modern Judaism and Islam
• Hinduism and Buddhism developed the idea of the soul (Atman/Brahman) separately
• Here the soul seeks ultimate wisdom rather that immortality (Nirvana)
The Problems of Dualism
• Remember Descartes had no concept of modern ideas of neuroscience (i.e. how
the brain is structured and how thoughts/memories are formed biochemically)
• Most neuroscientists would now say there is no difference between the mind and
the brain. Therefore, if you are anything, you are your ‘brain’
• Even in Descartes time, people realised that the ‘body’ and ‘mind’ don’t really exist
as separate things. They must interact
• How can a mind feel pain (if the body is not part of the self)?
• It’s also a problem in modern ghost stories – how can a ghost float through a wall
and then also move stuff about?
John Locke (1632 – 1704)
• Has a different idea of the self compared to Descartes
• He says the self is derived from memory
• He was approaching this from the question of whether
the adult you is the same as the baby you
• For Locke, there are 3 components of the self:
– Reason
– Consciousness
– Self-consciousness
• He believed memory gives personal identity
• Memory is what persists through your life and become the common
thread that makes you yourself
• If you lose your memories you therefore become a different person
• He doesn’t approach the idea of dualism or the soul
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (is the self something deeper than memory)
Dark City (aliens experiment with people’s memories to see if they become different people)
Total Recall (are Quaid and Hauser two different people?)
The Lockean ‘Self’
• Locke defined a person as “a thinking
intelligent being that has reason and reflection
[through memory]”
• You can convince yourself that you have a memory of something that
never happened
• It turned out that memories of abuse were implanted into the children’s
memories as a result of psychotherapy
• Under Locke’s definition, people who lose their memories are no longer
‘persons’ – or at least the same person as before
child abuse and false memories
why we lose our early memories
finding out your memories are fictional
Immanuel Kant (1724 – 1804)
• Kant had similar views to Locke (that a human is not
necessarily a person)