2 Gun Grappling

A few years ago a fellow forumite wanted a tutorial on a very interesting

problem; gun grappling. The specific scenario he was interested in, is that
you've been grounded with gun in hand, mounted, and then your adversary
gets a gun in hand. Both of you then grab each other's muzzles/slides.
Where from here?

This is an extremely challenging problem.

So one day I took my lunch time to kick it around a bit and here are some
possibilities. Again, nothing here is absolute, just how it turned out today.

Since this tutorial was originally posted Paul and I usually culminate the
second day of the ECQC course with this very scenario, primarily because it
forces the student to multi-task all the individual skills that they've learned
over the past two days.

Okay it starts like this.

Another view
Okay things to consider.

Our position is bad from the standpoint of him having me mounted. I've got
to somehow,

A) Keep him muzzle averted.

B) Get his gun out of his hand.
C) Keep him from disarming me.
D) Make him let go of my gun.
E) Improve my position.
F) Set up a shot.

In playing with this I'm going to combine some FMA stick stripping/disarming
methodology with BJJ position work.
In this picture he has slapped the muzzle into my chest and I've muzzle
averted him. We're strength to strength right now and considering the size
difference I can't hold this but a second or three. I'm going to begin by
following the downward energy of his grabbing hand across my body and
back up which will start to cross his arms somewhat.

Another shot a bit closer.

Okay from here I will shoot my gun-hand straight up and over, across his
right hand/forearm which is the one holding my gun.

Simultaneously I will bridge up and to my right.

Another shot of the tie-up/bridge.

And another shot of the tie-up/bridge. What I'm not doing in this picture that
I should be is trapping his left foot and leg with my right heel.
Following my bridge, I will roll into him keeping the tie up. This puts me on
my right side and him on his left.

Another shot.
I continue to roll, on top of his crossed arms. He has lost considerable grip
strength on his own gun at this point.

Another angle.

Okay I'll now tear his gun out of his hand while levering down on his hand
which is holding my gun, with my elbow, crushing and grinding it. I'll
facilitate my strip of his gun by continuing to roll while pulling, using my
momentum and hips.

Different shot.
Completed strip. Okay, now that I control his gun I've gotta completely get
mine back.

I'll do this by pulling my gun while grinding either his palm....

...or his fingers with my elbow, whichever is available. I'll still pull with my
hips and roll, using my torso against his hand strength.

When I rip my gun out finally, I'll continue to roll, clear a firing line, and
dump my magazine into his oblique.

That's it.

Again, there are a lot of ways this could go so keep playing with it!

SN
Originally posted by Southnarc of ShivWorks and Total Protection Interactive. This PDF file is created to
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James Marwood