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coaching legend Barry Switzer to share his
thoughts on a variety of topics, ranging from
ly follow them all that closely. I don’t watch a lot of
baseball, unless it’s the World Series. For me, I haven’t
missed all that much. And I really haven’t gotten into
football to food to his favorite anecdotes. In the latest in- watching all of the reruns that everyone has been
to a student’s bursar account!* stallment of King’s Corner, Coach shares his thoughts on showing in place of the live stuff. I’ve just tried to stay
the COVID-19 situation and much more. busy with everything else, and I’ll definitely be ready
for football season when it finally gets here. I hate that
Sooner Spectator: How have you and your wife Becky so many of the other sports have been shut down, but
spent your extra time together during the Covid-19 football is the one that matters most to me.
quarantine situation?
Barry Switzer: Honestly, we both stayed pretty busy at SS: Are you worried about whether or not they will actu-
home even before all of this — so we sort of already had ally have a football season in the fall?
a plan in place with our dogs and other things. Becky has Switzer: I believe there is going to be a season. I feel like
still been able to go out to the Ground Zero non-profit pretty much everything points to that happening, as
training center for dogs, so she’s been able to still make long as the virus cases keep going down. I know all
that happen. And she’s done some amazing things with of the athletic directors and coaches are looking at
making our yard that much more beautiful. It’s probably all of the options, trying to figure out the best way to
affected me more than it has her. I’m involved in several make that happen and keep everyone safe. It’s pretty
businesses that require me to travel to various places, and critical that they have a season because football pays
I’ve pretty much had to curtail all of that. I’ve been out of for so many athletic programs and scholarships at so
the house just a couple of times since March 11, which is many schools. If they can only get so many fans in
what, around 12 or 13 weeks? I haven’t shaved in all of the stadiums, then they’ll have to find a way to make
that time, so I have a pretty good beard going. I did at- up for it with pay-per-view and other options. Half
tend a funeral in May, but that’s about it. I have learned filled stadiums is the norm for a lot of programs, but
to Zoom and do conference calls over the phone and com- definitely not OU. I’m confident they’ll figure it out.
puter, so at least I’ve been able to stay connected and keep
up that way with some of my meetings. As things start to SS: You have always been outspoken on race relations in
open back up, I’ll probably be doing a lot more traveling college athletics and in life. What are your thoughts
and things for business. on the George Floyd situation in Minnesota?
Switzer: I feel like 90 percent of the nation probably feels
SS: How much have you missed watching and follow- the same way that I do — that those four police of-
ing live sports over the past three months? ficers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the
Switzer: I keep up with a lot of sports but I don’t real- law. Without a doubt. It’s probably greater than
90 percent, but I’m guessing there are 10 percent of
dumbasses out there who just don’t get it or don’t
care to get it. Unfortunately, this situation isn’t any-
thing new. We’ve been dealing with racism and hate
in this country for a long time. It’s something that we
all have to learn from and we all have to work on to-
gether if we ever want to get past it. That is one thing
I love about sports, there is great diversity there and
a community with coaches and athletes that doesn’t
involve a lot of that outside stuff.
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QUARTERBACKS, QUARTERBACKS, might’ve been OU’s most consistent offensive lineman
QUARTERBACKS last season when he was healthy. The Sooners might have
Always at the top of mind is the most depth they’ve had up front in awhile but keep-
quarterback play. While there’s ing Humphrey, Ealy and co. healthy will go a long way
no reason to doubt the position under toward determining just how good OU’s offense can be.
the offensive-minded Riley, this will
4
still be a big change. Presumed starter GET TO THE QUARTERBACK
Spencer Rattler is just a redshirt fresh- With Neville Gallimore and Kenneth Murray
man, and though he certainly looks the having graduated and Ronnie Perkins among the
part of a star quarterback, he has never likely suspended players to start the season, OU’s
played meaningful snaps in a college defense will need to find different ways to get a consistent
game. Riley’s other quarterbacks — Bak- pass rush. The most obvious candidate there is Jalen Red-
er Mayfield, Kyler Murray and Jalen mond, who moved inside last season and led the Sooners
Spencer Rattler
Hurts — all had significant Division I ex- in sacks. Marcus Stripling and LaRon Stokes figure to be
perience before arriving at OU. The Soon- key to getting after quarterbacks, especially early in the
ers’ schedule isn’t quite the easy ramp-up that last year’s season when Perkins is sidelined. Junior college defensive
was, so Rattler — or Tanner Mordecai if he pulls the upset lineman Perrion Winfrey needs to make an immediate im-
— will need to be sharp from the get-go. pact as well. OU hasn’t had much success with junior col-
lege defensive linemen in recent years, but Winfrey will
have to make an important contribution for the Sooners to
2
WIDE RECEIVER DEPTH
There’s no denying the talent the Sooners have at be improved defensively. When Perkins returns, he’ll play
wide receiver, but like at quarterback, much of it a big pass-rushing role as well.
is unproven. Charleston Rambo is the leading re-
5
turner with 43 catches for 743 yards and five touchdowns FORCE MORE TURNOVERS
last year. Behind him, though, things are thin, especially Forcing turnovers was a major point of emphasis
with the loss of Jadon Haselwood, presumably for the for the Sooners during Alex Grinch’s first season a
year after tearing his anterior cruciate ligament during the year ago. That emphasis failed to produce results,
offseason. Another of the Sooners’ three five-star receivers though, with OU forcing just 11 turnovers. That number
from the 2019 signing class, Trejan Bridges, is also expect- has to be better, especially with an offense that — while
ed to miss the first five games of the season due to a sus- it’s still expected to be explosive — could take at least a
pension that also cost him the ability to play in the Peach small step backwards this season. A turnover — even if it
Bowl. Freshman Marvin Mims didn’t officially count as one — helped the Sooners escape
and the third of that five-star against Iowa State last season and in tight games could
trio — Theo Wease — will need make a big difference once again. OU has to capitalize on
to play key roles early. UCLA any chance for turnovers, some-
grad transfer Theo Howard, thing it didn’t do often enough
if he can get and stay healthy, in 2019.
figures to be in the rotation as
well.
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CULTIVATE SECONDARY DEPTH
While Oklahoma had a
3
BE STRONG UP FRONT strong three-man rotation
Though it was still really good, at cornerback last season,
the Sooners’ offensive line last things were much more pre-
season wasn’t quite as strong carious at safety and nickel. That was
across the board as it was the year before exposed in the Peach Bowl as Delarrin
when OU won the Joe Moore Award as the top Turner-Yell’s injury and Bookie Radley-
line in college football. Barring injury, OU fig- Hiles’ ejection made it tough for the
ures to be in contention for the award again. Sooners to cover LSU’s receivers. Out-
Creed Humphrey anchors an offensive line side of Parnell Motley, the group returns
that returns all five starters. Left tackle could intact. Woodi Washington, who saw his
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be a spot that’s up for grabs after Erik Swen- most significant action in the Peach Bowl
son, who’s returning, and the now-departed and though he struggled at times, also
R.J. Proctor rotated last season. Adrian Ealy showed promise in others, could be one
Delarrin Turner-Yell
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KEYS TO SUCCESS
Austin Stogner
Kennedy Brooks
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and safety, will be a boost to depth as well. The Sooners SURVIVE OCTOBER
Texas • Arkansas • Colorado • Arizona • California need to have a rotation on the back end like they had else- In 2019, November was the Sooners’ toughest
where on defense last season. month with Iowa State, Baylor, TCU and Oklaho-
ma State on the schedule. OU came through that
7
REPLACE KENNETH MURRAY unscathed after a late October loss at Kansas State to make
No player improved more on last year’s defense the College Football Playoff once again. This time around,
than Murray, who became a first-round draft pick October figures to be the toughest month. The month
under Grinch and Brian Odom. But now the Soon- starts off with Baylor at home, followed by Texas, a trip to
ers must fill that significant hold at middle linebacker. Iowa State and Bedlam in Norman before wrapping up at
DaShaun White is the obvious choice, shifting over from TCU. While the Sooners will still be favored to make the
the weakside spot he held a year ago. Another intrigu- Big 12 Championship Game, any of those opponents have
ing option there is sophomore David Ugwoegbu, who a chance to get there as well. The road games could be par-
saw time as a freshman from the rush linebacker spot. ticularly tricky, with Iowa State having plenty of returning
Ugwoegbu showed promise there but might be better experience and the Horned Frogs having a chance to be a
equipped to handle the middle, much like Murray, who dangerous opponent this season.
moved from the outside in once he arrived in Norman.
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Whoever mans the position, though, needs to be a strong STAY HEALTHY
leader on defense and show versatility. This one holds true every year but it’s there
for a reason. OU has been able to avoid inju-
8
NAVIGATE THE NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULE ry at quarterback since Riley’s arrival — save
There’s still some question about what the non- for one game where Baker Mayfield missed time in the
conference schedule will look like but if it’s second half. They’ll need to keep that good fortune going.
played as scheduled, it could be a bit of a bear. Running back Kennedy Brooks, tight end Austin Stogner
Missouri State doesn’t figure to offer too much resistance, and and the starters in the secondary figure to be particu-
but the other two games could be treacherous. Tennessee larly important to keep healthy in 2020.
has some momentum, winning its final six games of 2019.
Though none of those games were against ranked oppo-
nents, the Volunteers are making progress under Jeremy Ryan Aber is an OU beat writer for The Oklahoman.
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I’ve been dreaming about all my life.” er games on TV kept the Dallas brain trust alerted to what
Murray arrived at OU as an outside linebacker and a special talent Lamb is.
rush end, but he ended up playing middle linebacker for “You’ve always kind of had an eye on CeeDee and all
all three seasons in Norman. His overall athletic ability, the success that he’s had in big games,” said Jones.
football IQ and attitude and determination will allow him Added McCarthy, “He’s a dynamic football player.
to play at whatever position the Chargers have an open- He carries that alpha status.”
ing. Lamb said during a radio interview on 105.3 The Fan
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ter player in space,” said Murray. “That’s something I im- but he’s glad he did.
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proved on all three years in college.” Lamb’s addition to the Dallas roster makes the NFL’s
Chargers GM Tom Telesco described Murray as hav- No. 1 offense (yards per game) even more explosive.
ing “a really violent mentality,” while head coach Anthony Quarterback Dak Prescott led the NFL in passing yards
Lynn said Murray was like the “old-school linebackers.” last season, running back Ezekiel Elliott leads the NFL in
“His tape is pretty easy to watch to see how explosive rushing yards since he came in four years ago, and wide
(he is) and how much range he has,” Telesco said at a draft receiver Amari Cooper has produced four 1,000-yard sea-
WE'VE GOT IT night press conference. “He’s one of those guys that, be-
tween scouting staff and coaching staff — boy, there was a
sons in his five-year career.
Lamb played all over the field at OU, including out
100 percent buy-in to add him to this football team.” wide, in the slot or from anywhere in motion.
Dallas’ draft addition of Lamb and Gallimore essen- “I’m very comfortable in the slot,” Lamb told report-
tially makes them the Oklahoma Cowboys. Earlier in the ers on a conference call after his pick. “I’m very versatile,
offseason through free agency, the team added former OU and I can’t wait to be out there.”
quarterback/tight end Blake Bell and former All-Ameri- Hurts’ pick was surprising because the Eagles last
can defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. year locked up starting quarterback Carson Wentz to a
Dallas had Lamb rated as a top 10 pick and the sixth- long-term deal that will pay him $128 million. Most teams
best player available, so when he fell to the Cowboys at don’t seek backup quarterbacks with a second-round
No. 17, they put aside their initial plans to draft a defender pick, but Philadelphia won a Super Bowl two years ago
and instead plucked the most dynamic offensive talent with backup Nick Foles filling in for Wentz — who has
left in the draft. been injured frequently early in his career.
“You can’t have enough playmakers,” said new Cow- “No team has gotten more value from the quarterback
boys coach Mike McCarthy during a video call. “Any time position than the Philadelphia Eagles,” Eagles GM Howie
you add a playmaker to your offense, it creates more op- Roseman told media after picking Hurts. “We look at this
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“The right thing to do is always pick the best foot- about just doing whatever is best for a team in the short-
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ball player,” said executive vice president Stephen Jones. term. The draft is about making smart, long-term deci-
“That’s what we did today.” sions for your organization based on the priorities that
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OKLAHOMA CITY
“ UNFINISHED PRODUCT. MY
CEILING IS SO HIGH. I KNOW THAT. THE
BEST FOOTBALL HASN’T COME OUT OF
ME YET, BUT IT’S COMING, AND IT’S Hurts was taken in the second round
by the Philadelphia Eagles.
COMING SOON.”
“We felt like (Hurts) was a proven winner, a guy who you want to play defensive line, that’s one of the main
is an incredible teammate. He’s going to strengthen that guys that gets brought up in terms of who you want to
quarterback room. … This gives us another weapon.” compare yourself to,” Gallimore told media on a draft
Early talk surrounded Hurts’ immediate role with the night video call. “Just studying, being a fan of his game, I
Eagles. If he’s Wentz’ backup, does he play a “slash” role, knew very quickly if I wanted that opportunity to play at
like New Orleans has created for Taysom Hill? In three the next level, he was one of the guys I would have to just
seasons, Hill has 590 yards from scrimmage and scored look at and see what his approach was and everything.”
nine touchdowns. His presence has occasionally been in- When the Cowboys got Gallimore with the 82nd pick,
strumental in the team’s success. he got the phone call from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones,
“They picked me. I’m an Eagle,” Hurts told reporters then a quick call from McCoy. But then Gallimore got a
after his pick. “I’m an Eagle, and it’s a blessing. Looking completely unexpected message on Twitter — from none
The Touchdown Club of Oklahoma is an independent organization of Sooner Football fans whose sole purpose is to support the forward to what’s to come. I will control my work, my ef- other than Joe Montana.
fort, and put in everything I possibly can to this organiza- “Believe me, being the 82nd pick in the draft ain’t
University of Oklahoma Football Program through annual member donations. Our members have supported OU Football for
tion. I’m just excited.” so bad,” Montana tweeted at Gallimore. “But, don’t let
73 years and will continue to support the Sooners through the 2020 football season and well into the future. Hurts said he was thankful for his one year spent where you were chosen define you — be a sponge, soak
learning under Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. up everything. Work hard and when your chance comes,
“The biggest thing at Oklahoma was having an op- show ‘em what you can do.”
Since its inception in 1947, the Touchdown Club has provided the OU Athletics Department with: portunity to go out there and play, having an opportunity Gallimore intends to do just that. After timing 4.79
to showcase my abilities and what I learned those pre- seconds in the 40-yard dash at 304 pounds at the NFL
Every playing surface on Owen Field since the early 70s More than $6 million in total donations to OU Football
vious three years, and apply those new things I learned Scouting Combine, Gallimore is eager to see what he’s ca-
Scholarship assistance to countless student-athletes Participation with the Oklahoma Chapter of the National from Coach Riley to the game,” he said. “Look where we pable of.
Football Foundation College Football Hall of Fame are now, you know?” “Unfinished product,” he described himself. “My
$1.25M in donations toward the Touchdown Club Legacy Gallimore, a Canada native from Ottawa, Ontario, ceiling is so high. I know that. The best football hasn’t
Lobby in the Barry Switzer Center. A donation of $500,000 toward Headington Hall couldn’t believe his good fortune to play for America’s come out of me yet, but it’s coming, and it’s coming
Team, especially the part where he gets to learn the craft soon.”
from a master like Gerald McCoy, the third pick in the
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Funding for the Touchdown Club Football Scholarship Annual Sponsorship of the Football Awards Banquet
2010 draft — and, like Murray said, the Sooners’ most re- John E. Hoover is publisher of SI Sooners /
Upgrades to the Mosier Indoor Facility, weight rooms Funded the National Football Foundation College Hall of cent defensive first-rounder. AllSooners.com, a Sports Illustrated affiliate.
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JAKE’S RIB
E On or off the field, when the Weatherford, Okla., product sets his sights on
something, he doesn’t stop until he gets it.
It’s one of the reasons Downs has been able to transform himself into a top-
caliber defensive end during his time at Weatherford High School. It is also why he
will be taking those same talents to the University of Oklahoma as part of its 2021
recruiting class.
Downs is currently the No. 1 ranked prep prospect in Oklahoma, according to
Ethan Downs
247Sports. He also is the No. 23-ranked weakside defensive end in the country, and
has accumulated offers from LSU, Nebraska, Baylor, Penn State, Oklahoma State
and Texas.
But throughout the recruiting process, Downs has patiently waited on one
school to pull the trigger.
“After my sophomore year and that summer came around, and we went to
several different schools, I was getting offers from schools around the country.
I was going to these camps and getting noticed and just racking them up,” said
Downs. “I was like, ‘Man, OU’s been my favorite school since I was a kid, and I still
haven’t got an offer from them, and I really just want to dig in, and I want to make
that happen for myself.’”
So Downs decided to show the Sooners they needed him.
“When I went to summer camp, I just put it all out there,” said the 6-foot-4,
235-pounder. “I told the coaches I’m going to put it all out there. And I remember
after that camp and showing the coaches what I had, and I worked with Coach
(Calvin) Thibodeaux, and he would line me up, coach me up, put me through a
drill, and I would do it. Everything he said do, I did it to my best effort.
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RECRUITING: ETHAN DOWNS
“Coach (Lincoln) Riley afterwards, he said it gave him like a brotherhood. That’s how we bought it together, and
goosebumps seeing every coach out there looking at me we made it to the championship, which is something that
and Coach Thibs working just nonstop. He said he hasn’t every team dreams of doing. But I sincerely thought that
seen Coach Thibs put a kid in a camp like that through we were a championship team when we bought in like
that kind of pressure. He said, ‘You sailed through all the that. Every team goes through that, and we were able to
pressure, and that’s why we’re offering you.’” push through that and buy in together and we got to the
Downs waited until Oct. 9 to announce that he had title game. It was awesome.”
committed to Oklahoma. It was also a growing year for Downs, individually.
“They knew that I loved Oklahoma, and they wanted He entered the 2019 season looking to recapture a bit of
me to show them what I had,” said Downs. “I showed the intensity he played with when he was younger.
them that I had the heart to do it and that I had the guts, “Every year, I go back and I watch my film. I was just
that grind, that effort to put it all out there. And I think I seeing other things that I could be faster at, quicker at or
did that at the camp, and that’s what they liked.”
According to Downs, the OU coaches see him at de-
fensive end or maybe even an outside linebacker. He sees
himself fitting right into coach Alex Grinch’s scheme —
no matter where they want him to play.
“I want to be one of those athletes who flies around
and just attack, attack, attack,” said Downs. “Playing at
the high school level, I am generally faster trying to chase
down guys running across the field, just being that ath-
lete, being that force to reckon with — and that’s what
they want at the college level too, so I think I’ll fit right
in.”
But before Downs packs his bags for Norman and the
OU campus, he has some unfinished business left in his
prep career. Coming off a junior season that saw him help
lead the Eagles to the 4A state title game, he’s hoping for
even bigger things in 2020.
“He really had a great season,” said Weatherford
coach Reagan Roof. “He played four different posi-
tions on offense and four different positions on defense
throughout the season. He was dominant on both sides
of the ball.”
The championship game went down to the wire,
but Weatherford dropped a tough 9-7 decision to Po-
teau.
“We realized, okay, this is our one shot, and we
got to put it all out there. And I think we did. Pote-
au, the team we played against that won the champi-
onship, did the exact same thing, and it was just a great
game,” said Downs. “It was defenses blowing each other
out and offenses trying to get an inch at a time, and it was
just old school football. It makes you love the game.”
It also made Downs realize the journey to get to the
game was just as valuable. It has not been an easy road for
him and his teammates, and at times, it looked like they
might not even make it.
But Downs said that is where they really learned
about each other and he learned to become a stronger
leader.
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Downs is a consensus top-three prospect in Oklahoma going into his final prep season at Weatherford.
more dominant on the field but also off the field as the
team leader his senior year. He has earned so much re- Michael Kinney is a Norman-based freelance writer and reporter.
spect from the players and coaches that I believe the team
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JOSH NORMAN
FORMER OU RECEIVER SHARES HIS THOUGHTS
Norman and his wife Jessica will celebrate their second wedding anniversary in October; (middle)
known as J.Lee The Producer, Norman has forged a successful career in the music business.
T
hree weeks after George Floyd was killed in with its own racially-charged controversy after a civil
front of several witnesses during what should rights attorney contended that a 21-year-old black man
have been a routine arrest by Minneapolis po- was targeted and wrongfully arrested by local police.
lice officers, Josh Norman still had not seen the Norman’s brother, John, is the District 2 City Councilman
graphic video that sparked protests and Black Lives Mat- in Midland and he has advocated giving minority citizens
ter rallies all across the country. a bigger voice in situations like this.
He read about the incident and talked to people “I feel like, for me, what has happened nationally has
about it, but he could not bring himself to watch officer been compounded by what has happened back in Mid-
Derek Chauvin put his knee on Floyd’s neck and literally land. There is a lot going on there and with my brother
squeeze the life out of him. being the councilman in that district, it kind of hits home other people’s emotions. So there was a point dur- officers who work for that police department are bad.
Norman has seen it before — too many times. with me,” said Norman, who turns 40 in July. “The com- ing that second week that I basically had to log off But that’s not what I was saying at all. The truth is,
“I couldn’t bring myself to watch it,” said Norman. bination of all of that has really been hard to see and un- of social media and just decompress because I found there are only a few bad ones. But like Chris Rock said
“My first introduction to it was seeing the still image derstand.” myself reading all of the posts about other people’s in a very comical way recently — there are just some
of it, and I read someone’s description of what happened. Sooner Spectator editor Jay C. Upchurch talked with adverse experiences with the police, and it just started professions where you simply can’t afford to have
I broke down in tears just reading the Norman in early June to get his per- to wear on me and tear me down. There are so many any bad ones. Even if one of the commercial airlines
description, especially when they said spective on many of the things that people who have dealt with bad situations and were has one bad pilot out of every 10, that’s a really bad
he was calling for his mother.” have transpired since George Floyd’s fortunate enough to live to tell about it. situation for a lot of people. It’s the same thing with
Not exactly the type of admission arrest and subsequent death on May 25. law enforcement officers, you can’t afford to have
one might expect from a guy who was SS: None of that stuff makes you just a little mad? even one bad one because we all have seen what can
listed at a healthy 6-foot-2 and 238 Sooner Spectator: How have you han- Norman: I can honestly say that my faith controls that happen. When people are dying and people are being
pounds during his four seasons as a dled all of the thoughts and emotions side of me. It really does. I feel like my relationship murdered, something has got to change. I have faith
tight end battling middle linebackers in that have been swirling around you with the Lord has a restraint on that part of me. I’m that people want to help make that change happen.
the National Football League. in the aftermath of the George Floyd so thankful to have that because without it, God only
But Josh Norman isn’t just some slaying? knows what it might lead me to in times like this. I SS: In your mind, how do we begin to actually change
former tough-guy athlete who sits Josh Norman: That first week after it totally understand the anger that some people expe- the culture and the way some people think about
around reminiscing about the four let- happened was really hard, but the sec- rience. Totally. They see people who are constantly people of color?
ters he earned at Oklahoma or the key ond week was tremendously difficult oppressed, constantly stepped on and constantly de- Norman: Well, you’re never going to change everyone.
role he played as a wide receiver on the for me — extremely emotional in so graded — and it seems like they can never get ahead. There has always been some form of racism and big-
Sooners’ 2000 national championship many ways. I couldn’t seem to get the It’s one step forward and two steps back. And then otry in the world, and I hate to say that there prob-
football team. you see those same people getting killed on camera ably always will be. But that doesn’t mean we have
Norman played at OU from 1998 to 2001. hurt and the pain of the whole situa-
A nice bit of history, for sure. But tion out of my mind. I cried numerous and it seems like there is no justice, and it brings you to stand by and not do anything about it. One way is
he’s so much more than all of that. times as it continued to weigh heavy on my heart. I tried to the point of just wanting to scream. to vote your conscience and what’s in your heart, and
Since retiring from football, Norman has spent the to work to keep my mind off of it, but I just couldn’t get I suppose if there is one thing that does make me mad, not base your vote on how it is going to affect you
past 15 years demonstrating a vast array of other skills, past it. My thoughts keep coming back to that. it’s when people try to justify something like (George financially. I know that’s a hard one. I have friends
ranging from top-notch music producer to successful Floyd being killed). Or people who are so aloof when who I know genuinely care about this situation. But
high school and college football coach to bachelor’s de- SS: The collection of emotions from people has ranged it comes to dealing with these types of terrible situ- when they go to vote, they are going to be swayed by
gree-earning student to fledgling wings chef. He married from anger and sadness to hopelessness and fear, ations and the negative impact it has on black com- their economic beliefs before anything else. I recently
the former miss Jessica Leidy in 2018 and he is currently and everything in between. What elements of that munities. had a conversation with one of my friends who I love
working on his master’s degree in business administra- mix have found their way into your thinking? dearly and trust with all of my heart, but who I know
tion. Norman: Well, I’m just not an angry person, in general, so SS: We talk about the progress that has been made over has that conflict when they step into the voting booth.
This fall, Norman is slated to start his first season as there have been very few times that I would say that time where race relations are concerned, but then I just told them straight up that I don’t believe that is
head football coach at Southmoore High School, and he’s I was angry. More than anything, I’ve been heavy- this horrific situation plays out for the world to see. the Christian thing to do, knowing that you are going
Does that make you lose faith in people? to put economics over social justice.
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even considering opening up his own Oklahoma City- hearted and hurt. Those are the main emotions that
based restaurant at some point in the not-too-distant fu- I have dealt with. I was talking to my mother-in-law Norman: No, it doesn’t. The truth is, not everybody is
ture. the other day about personality types and things like like that. I was having a conversation with someone SS: Having participated in sports over a large portion
Not bad for a humble black kid from Midland, Texas, that. And she and I are the exact same type on the the other day and I told him that I felt the Midland of your life and been a part of that culture — do
just trying to make his way in the world. Myers-Briggs (personality) test. And one thing about police department has lost the trust of the people on you believe society can learn any important lessons
Ironically, Norman’s hometown has been dealing our personality type is that we carry the burden of the East side and South side of Midland. And he was from sports?
upset because he felt like I was saying that all of the Norman: I definitely believe there are certain principles in
“
I THINK IT STARTS WITH DEFINING WHAT LOVE IS
AND HOW WE CAN APPLY IT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOVE, WHAT DOES
THAT REALLY MEAN? PERSONALLY, I PREFER TO TAKE ON THE BIBLICAL
DEFINITION. LOVE THE LORD WITH ALL OF YOUR HEART, MIND AND SOUL.
LIKEWISE, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
sports that apply to everyday life. Truthfully, I have one who wants to use the word ‘thugs’ instead of
probably played with some guys in the past who had ‘protesters.’ How do we change that? You look at the
extreme racist viewpoints and who had very bigoted ideology of a place that had a system in place going
viewpoints. However, there is something positive to back to the Jim Crow days where someone like my
be said for working with people who have different grandfather — a man I knew for 25 years of my life
views than yourself. There is something to be said — went to the war and came home and couldn’t even
about a leader who is able to bring people together purchase a home in certain areas. The effects of those
from different backgrounds and with different views laws can still be seen and felt generations later. Obvi-
to try to find a way accomplish a common goal. And ously, finding solutions to some of those issues isn’t
You stuck by your team, that’s kind of where I feel like we are right now — easy. It’s going to take people sitting down and hav-
now stick with us! how do we all come together to find a way to make
this work better? You might believe (Colin) Kaeper-
ing serious and heartfelt discussions with each other.
OU Federal Credit Union helped nick’s kneeling is disrespectful to the flag, while I be- SS: The last few days, you have seen social media posts
manage your finances while you
Federal lieve he is kneeling to bring awareness to social injus- quoting Dr. Martin Luther King and others echoing
were at the University, and we can Credit tice. How do we discuss this without being mean and the sentiments of Malcolm X. When you start to ex-
continue after you’ve graduated! Union hateful toward each other? That’s what has to happen amine their words and search for answers, where do
if we want to earn each other’s respect, even if we do love and compassion fit into the equation?
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disagree. Norman: I think it starts with defining what love is and
how we can apply it. When we talk about love, what
SS: When you are looking at the ugliness of racism and does that really mean? Personally, I prefer to take on
social injustice, what is the first thing that comes to the Biblical definition. Love the Lord with all of your
mind as a potential solution? heart, mind and soul. Likewise, love your neighbor
Norman: There is really no one thing that comes to mind as yourself. Look at 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 where it
immediately. It’s such a complex condition of the says love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it
heart. And we use the term ‘racism’ a lot of the time does not boast, it is not proud. That’s the way I de-
out of context. We use it often when what we are re- fine love. Love endures all things. Love never fails.
ally talking about bigotry. Racism is a condition that Love conquers all. I think it is especially important
describes the power and ability to control people in the context in which we are speaking — the verse
through systems. When we start talking about racism says, ‘It does not rejoice in wrongdoings, but rejoices
and social injustice, you look at the ideology of some- with truth.’ We can all be patient and kind and work
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eventually developed into a major contributor
on OU’s prolific offenses in 2000 and 2001.
and operate with humility,
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hopeful and endure a lot
of things — but in the end,
we have to be able to rejoice
with truth. My faith drives
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Norman: I felt like that was a big step. It was like a huge Christian faith is very complex. As Christians, we
display of humanity. Anytime I see protesters and are called to act with compassion, called mourn
police officers together, I always want to talk to the with those who mourn, called to hope, called to be
From Oklahoma City to Fort Worth. officers and remind them that they are human, too.
I understand that they have a job to do and if people
truth seekers and truth tellers, called to seek justice,
called to abhor what is evil, called to hold on to what
break the law then they have to respond accordingly. is good, love with brotherly affection, called to bless
We’ve got you covered! But all too often, it seems like they respond with so those who persecute you, called to love our enemies,
much violence and force. We have to tap into the hu- called to rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep
man aspect of those situations more. with those who weep — just to name a few. All of
that brings on a burden of so many emotions. But it’s
SS: Are you hopeful that racial injustice can become a our faith in Christ that allows us to cast those bur-
thing of the past? dens on Him. In the end, there is always hope because
Norman: I am always hopeful. Always. Over the past cou- of what Christ has done. And honestly, it’s knowing
ple of weeks, a lot of my white friends have reached that this is temporary that gives me hope for eternity
out to me and said they don’t know exactly what to with Him. And I’ll close with 2 Corinthians 4:8-9 as a
do, but just wanted to let me know they love me. I comfort to those who may be struggling, ‘We are af-
posted a note on Facebook that read, ‘Deep, meaning- flicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but
ful, non-profitable relationships with people of color not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken;
is a good start.’ If you have someone like that in your struck down, but not destroyed.’
life, have a conversation about race with them. If you As for me, my hope is in the Lord.
have someone like that in your life but feel you can’t
Sit back, relax and enjoy the unique scenery have that conversation, your relationship probably
isn’t as deep and meaningful as you think. And if you
unfolding outside the windows of don’t have someone like that in your life, you’re prob-
— Jay C. Upchurch
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Oklahoma’s Heartland Flyer, as it takes you ably more influenced by racism than you think.
his spring was about to turn summer, when Maggie Nichols found her-
Kentucky’s Jenny Hansen as the only women to three- Nichols did what she could to speak out for athletes
peat in NCAA history. who were not granted waivers to return for another year.
In a blink, those hopes were dashed. Ultimately, the NCAA only granted that allowance for
There was no final national championship run, no spring sports.
more flocking interest toward Nichols’ dominance in the So she moved on.
gym. OU’s final regular-season meet at Minnesota was When most people began quarantining, Nichols
sold out — all 14,625 seats at Maturi Pavilion purchased. could have gone back home to Minnesota, but Norman
OU coach K.J. Kindler called this “The Maggie Nich- was home enough for her. She goes on long walks. She
ols Effect.” watched ESPN’s “The Last Dance,” fitting because of the
During Nichols’ freshman season, a road meet at West comparisons between her and Michael Jordan.
Virginia became sold out, and she spent more than an Otherwise, she’s tried to keep away from the televi-
hour signing autographs after. sion.
The college experience didn’t fade quickly. For her next act, she’ll work as a student assistant
“It took me a while to wrap my head around every- coach at OU next season while continuing her education.
thing that was going on,” Nichols said of the NCAA can- “It’s just exciting that I get another year to be with the
celations post-pandemic. “It’s been strange finding stuff team,” said Nichols. “I may not be competing and I have a
to do, ways to stay busy, ways to continue working out different role. And also I think it’ll be a great experience to
and staying in shape. be taught by the best of the best from K.J., (and assistants)
“It’s been weird not putting on a leotard every day. It Tom (Haley) and Lou (Ball) are the best coaches in the
was very sad at first.” country. I mean, not being biased or anything. I truly think
After OU’s final practice, she and her teammates they’re the best coaches all around. And so being able to
gathered. be taught by them and learn the ropes from them, I’m just
“We hung out for a while after practice,” she said. very excited for that experience, learning the behind-the-
“Everyone came over to my house and we kind of just scenes of everything that goes on.
had dinner together, just kind of hung out and talked, just “But yeah, I’m very excited to take on that role and
relaxed. You know, just be by each other through this time get experience with that.”
that we all needed, and I think that was really good for There will also be internships, she hopes, and shad-
our team. Everyone was very, very sad. Just because we owing opportunities in media.
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weren’t at our best yet, but we were still No. 1, and I think “I’m looking into sports broadcasting or reporting in-
we had so much left to show everyone and we were still ternships. None of those plans have changed,” she said.
climbing up that mountain. We were almost at the top.” “It’s been nice to research different opportunities [right
“
I TOOK A STEP BACK AND CAN LOOK AT
MY LAST MEET, MY LAST SEASON AND MY WHOLE
CAREER, EVEN BEING CUT SHORT I DON’T THINK IT
COULD HAVE ENDED ANY BETTER.”
Mendes hit .348 and had a career-best 39 RBI as a junior. Juarez finished 28-4 in her first season with OU in 2019.
Lists and schedules are life for Mendes. So without a sit there for an hour and a half and you’re at the mercy of
schedule to thrive on she had to create her own. whoever is talking. That to me is a little more work, and
“I like making lists. I thought maybe I could make a I don’t mind work — but this time of year is (usually) so
list of wake up, eat breakfast, watch a movie, do rehab, hit much fun and competitive and you get captured in all of
… all the things I wanted to do during a day,” she said. the excitement and it’s definitely kind of a downer not
“I’m a big-time checklist person and that made me feel a having that in my life.”
little bit better and made me feel like I was getting stuff Seeing her seniors come back brings a smile to her
done. face. Seeing her team come back will be “excited chaos.”
“It made me organize it but I definitely realized I was Mendes can’t wait either.
going to have to surrender some things and have to let go “To be able to have the potential to finish our senior
of the control of what I thought was going to happen, think year and play it all together and play not only for each oth-
is going to happen and be flexible.” er but for the team — I would rather it end this way and I
Juarez remembers being in denial when Mendes tore know they would as well,” said Mendes.
her ACL. “We’ve created a bond with this senior class and it’s
“Me and Shannon were like, ‘All right, it’s me and something really special. We’re going to end it side-by-
you. We’ve got to represent,’” said Juarez. “Then I had my side.”
surgery and it was Shannon leading the team as a senior
and leading the pitching staff. It was just surreal. It kind
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of unraveled.”
Bobby Anderson is a locally-based freelance writer who previously
A medical redshirt for Juarez was largely a foregone worked for The Norman Transcript and The Norman Oklahoman.
conclusion but there were still two other people in the se-
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Sherri Coale is bringing back former
All-American Courtney Paris to join her
coaching staff; (left) they enjoy a moment
on the OU bench during Paris’ final
collegiate season in 2009.
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WELCOME BACK
Finished with her playing career, Paris is set to join an OU staff that includes Jackie
The University of Oklahoma would like to thank our Stiles (below), another former All-American well respected in coaching circles.
SOONERS
“It gave me this perspective,” Paris said of her pro- “I’ll be smart enough to receive the inbounds pass
fessional career. “I played every single position on every and throw it to one of them and let them go to work.”
single team, as far as my role on the team, and it taught But more than some fantasy coach-as-player basket-
B O O M E R S O O N E R me so much. ball game, the addition of Paris to a staff that already in-
“It’s hard to tell kids, ‘Well, I know how it feels,’ when cluded Stiles figures to be a big draw for recruits.
you don’t know how it feels. It’s hard to relate to the play- Though those players definitely never watched Stiles
er that’s not playing when you’re the star player. But now play in college, and likely never watched Paris, they still
I can relate to every situation, because I played every role. cast a long shadow based on their accomplishments.
I just feel like it’s gonna help me in this situation.” “I would think that for any offensive-minded player,
And Coale has seen traits in Paris that will make her they would think, ‘I won’t get much better tutelage than
an effective coach. those two,’” said Coale. “What you’re going to hear from
“She certainly has the ‘it’ factor. There’s no doubt both of these guys, Courtney and Jackie, is reaping the re-
about that,” said Coale. “Every great player doesn’t nec- wards that they were able to and setting the records and
essarily make a great coach. Sometimes it’s hard for great all the things they’ve done from a statistical standpoint, all
players to be great coaches because they can’t understand the awards that they’ve received, it all goes back to how
why something was so easy for them and so hard for you work every day.
everybody else. The great coaches have connectability. “It was not a genetic predisposition. Yes, Courtney
They’re sticky. They draw people to them and connect to has amazing hands and those come from God. There’s
them. And she has the ‘it’ factor in spades, so no doubt in no doubt about that. And she has a strong stature which
my mind she’ll be terrific in this role.” made her a great physical presence in the post, and Jack-
One thing is for sure, Coale’s staff would be favored ie has quickness. There are things that are (natural) but
in an on-court matchup against any staff in women’s col- both of them became all-time greats because of how they
lege basketball. worked at their craft and because of how they were able
Jackie Stiles ended her collegiate career at what was to get people to play with them and for them and not just
then Southwest Missouri State as the sport’s all-time lead- alongside of them and I think that is the magic for great
ing scorer. Nineteen years later she remains third on the players.
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TO THE POINT