Blood pressure Scott for natural supplementation my primary recomendations are

hawthorne berry, bromelain, fish oil vitamin D and vitamin E C0Q10 and adequate supply of
all the minerals especially magnesium. There are some other natural supplements that help
lower BP by their water spilling effects-but I usually don't recommend them for bb'ers as they
usually have pretty thick blood and reducing water/plasma volume and thickening the blood
is not a good practice.

Here is a post on blood pressure meds I wrote a while back on PRO Muscle

Blood Pressure Meds and Treatment -A Discussion

I decided to start this thread as we discussed this over at MM and blood pressure can really
be the "silent killer" to your cardio vascular system and kidneys. No joke. We don't need any
help as we already stress the kidneys with high bodyweights, most lifters are dehydrated,
and we bang our kidneys with high blood pressure in short bursts of high intensity
training-which also dumps protein into the kidneys. Add in thickened blood, and fluid
retention from AAS use and you complicate things further.

I developed high blood pressure in 2000, and got treatment. After 5 years he and I agree the
only way I can ever possbily come off the meds is by losing weight. On meds my BP
averaged in the mid 120's/over mid 80's. It can creep up to 140/90 but I keep a record of it.

I have been over 250 now for 10 years and hell averaged close to 3 bills for 5.
Weight is and was a concern for me so I left no stone unturned to get my BP down. It's
complicated and requires a doc's help as self medicating BP meds can be dangerous in
juicers especially the types that reduce blood volume and heart rate.
A one time reading at a doc's office is pretty inaccurate, the best way is to get a cuff and
keep a log at home for an average.

It's important the doctor works with you on the meds he prescribes as many have unwanted
side effects and can be dangerous in juicers with the thickened blood (especially types that
reduce blood volume via the kidney, or with diuretic action)

Here are the types and how they work for those interested:

Diuretics-no explanation needed.

Beta-blockers-Beta-blockers reduce nerve impulses to the heart and blood vessels. This
makes the heart beat slower and with less force. Blood pressure drops and the heart works
less hard.

ACE inhibitors-Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors prevent the formation of a

hormone called angiotensin II, which normally causes blood vessels to narrow. The ACE
inhibitors cause the vessels to relax and blood pressure goes down.

Angiotensin antagonists-Angiotensin antagonists shield blood vessels from angiotensin II. As

a result, the vessels become wider and blood pressure goes down.
Calcium channel blockers (CCBs)-CCBs keep calcium from entering the muscle cells of the
heart and blood vessels. This causes the blood vessels to relax and pressure goes down.

Alpha-blockers-Alpha-blockers reduce nerve impulses to blood vessels, which allows blood

to pass more easily, causing the blood pressure to go down.

Alpha-beta-blockers-Alpha-beta-blockers work the same way as alpha-blockers but also

slow the heartbeat, as beta-blockers do. As a result, less blood is pumped through the
vessels and the blood pressure goes down.

Nervous system inhibitors-Nervous system inhibitors relax blood vessels by controlling nerve
impulses. This causes the blood vessels to become wider and the blood pressure to go
down.

Vasodilators-Vasodilators directly open blood vessels by relaxing the muscle in the vessel
walls, causing the blood pressure to go down.

The above descriptions are very simplistic but you can see the broad array and choice a
physician will have to choose.

I tried a beta blocker and hated it, it made me feel groggy and as the Doc described in
elementary terms "It slows everything down" not a good choice for me.

It took several different types of blood pressure meds till we found 2 that worked with out
sides.

It's strange because each drug has different sides even though in the same class as we tried
Prinivil (ACE inh) and it had nasty side effects for me frequent urination and headaches
whereas Altace is virtually symptom free.

My doc and I chose Altace (ACE inhibitor) and Norvasc (Calcium channel blocker) and they
work quite well for me. But please don't self medicate and try to dose BP meds to control it
as you can see above it's complicated and can reduce blood volume and slow your HR down
which may not be good in people with heavy blood as discussed before.

PEACE
Be safe fellas I see posts on the boards all the time from people taking diuretics to reduce
water retention from GH and AAS and that is damn dangerous to self medicate like that. Get
blood work done and work with a doc on any BP meds or diuretics to stay safe.

For Anyone Interested In The Science Behind DC-Training

The Science Behind DC Training
Posting a few posts from around the web that really wrap up the training theory of DC
training. Some of you have seen this before, others perhaps not.

From Viscious ove at the HST board many years ago.

Max-OT has a complete absence of any high-rep connective tissue remodeling scheme.
Even DC's program has built-in mechanisms to keep joint pain down.

DC's reasoning, which pretty much fits with mine, is to not derive your diet from a
macronutrient ratio of the total caloric intake. Rather, you "default" to a protein/BW ratio
(2g/lbs just seems like a safe ratio ), then let volume and TUL dictate your post-WO and
daily carb intake. Having done both, then you push up your caloric intake, if need be, with
fat. If gains stagnate, add in more protein (which will add more fat as well.) If fatigue
increases, add in more carbs.

On the hypertrophy pecking order, I have them ranked as such:

1) DC

2) HST

3) Max-OT

4) DFHT

For people who want a solid program for both hypertrophy and strength, I really think DC is
the best one out there.

For strength-oriented people (i.e. powerlifters) who want a program tailored for them, I think
Max-OT is the way to go. And it's the fastest among the lot at developing pure strength.

The average DC trainee has more successful training history than the average HST trainee,
and thus have less problems structuring a diet to it. Max-OT is a really good program, but I
think the success rate (hypertrophy) with DC have been measurably higher.

Quote:
Is one set for a body part this infreqently really that effective?
It is when you torch it with 20-rep squats, post-failure technique (i.e. rest/pause, statics) and
loaded stretches.

Two major advantages exist with DC over traditional HST

1) His use of loaded stretches is roughly the equivalent of thowing >5RM negatives into the
10s phase, and then increasing that load by modulating stretch variables. For the body parts
that the stretches cover, it becomes the primary strain stimulator and such in those parts.

2) His rep ranges and the rest-pause techniques combine for a form of density training,
which is great for creating endurance-related adaptations. That in turns means the
supra-protein diet DC espouses will be used as efficiently as possible through the 24-hour
period after that meal. Classic HST doesn't have anything that intensive unless you include
drop sets.

1) DC = high strain through loaded stretch, high metabolic stress, weekly load progression,
failure.

Quote:
what is the benefits of the rest pause?
Rest pause is a form of clustering. It lets you hit more reps for a given weight than you'd
normally would. He doesn't recommend RP for everybody, though. Both that and statics is
up to the (CNS) recovery of the trainee.

Quote:
Also he recommends statics? Where do you hold the weights near the contracted position
and what is its benefits?
It's HIT/fatigue-oriented thinking. He views it as a way to extend the effort beyond positive
failure. Holding the weight in a contracted position significantly increases metabolic stress,
which as with the other burn techniques, can help creates a nice pump, boost erk1/2 signal,
stimulate muscle metabolism, and really help out with the post-WO glycogen uptake.

DC's loaded stretches regimen creates a super-high strain effect that breaks the very high
threshhold most advanced-level trainees have from not doing SD. Beginner-to-intermediate
trainees don't need it to grow, but can certainly benefit from that sort of modality. What limits
the DC noobie is basically their ability to hit failure, with the proper rep cadence (the 4-6
second negative), under extreme metabolic duress. I bring up Brawn, because most people
who've done Hardgainer, have done the 20-rep breathing squats. If you can do 20-rep
squats, you have the mental makeup to do DC. If you can't, then wait.

I have a lot of admiration for the DC training, but it's a hard program. It makes men out of
boys1) DC's program requires that (natural! trainees eat at least 2g/lbs protein. (which is
considered a lot anyway) will benefit you beyond extra calories, most serious DC trainees
strongly abide by this. I don't think it hurts; it's relatively difficult for your body to convert
protein into energy or excess fat. You have two training bouts where mRNA and protein
synthesis levels will be acutely elevated as well as the overall summation effect. And, frankly,
do you really want to eat all those extra calories in carbs and fat? I think that rec goes up to
even 3g/lbs, but for this diet (and the fact that the carb intake would be higher than a normal
DC bulking diet), we'll leave it at 2 g/lbs protein.

I wouldn't even recommend HST or Max-OT to somebody with less than one year of
practical training experience and learning. And DC is harder than both.

I would normally agree with the DC experts. The strength gains on DC's system is largely
dependent on the mass gains you get from the system. If you don't grow on DC, you have
little-to-no chance of getting stronger. Failure-based systems use a sort of retrogressive
causation fallacy to interpret the improved CSA=extra force relationship to support their
ideas on recovery and their pragmatic model of strength=size relationship. That is, if they've
done more reps than before, they've gained size. If they don't, they haven't gained size. was
thinking, for example, a static hold of dumbells, with incline curls.

Yeah, that's DC stretch training territory. You'd hold it for 45-60 seconds; if the stretch is long
enough, you'll kick in the myotatic reflex, which increases the effective tension. That's when
Dante's stretching exercises become the devil.

With the loaded stretches he'd have you do, and that overall the DC routine would give you
better results than " HST. That is, if you can handle the failure and keep progressing.

Roughly half of his stretches are isometric. They are effective because the light loads are
relatively significant enough to stay ahead of the stretch-reflex threshhold. The other half,
much like many of Parillo's fascia stretches, have a limited useful life. You could keep
extending and extending the stretch time to fight off RBE, but then metabolic work, pain
threshhold, and other factors quickly diminishes the dividends.

DC program is aggressive with mechanical strain and metabolic stress. By using loaded
stretching (and having the myotatic reflex kick up effective peak tension through the
stretched part of the muscle) on most of the bodyparts, he amplifies the strain/MAPKp38
signal to levels only accessible were a trainee using negative-heavy training. By using
rest-pause, he implements a sort of density training which creates a horrible amount of
metabolic stress. Finally, he uses a bulking diet structure that enables his trainees to eat
very high caloric diets without a pronounced risk of bodyfat increase.

Or, rather, his trainees to eat big, then he bumps up the metabolic stress techniques
(through the rest-pause and non-WO short cardio sessions), so that the body is storing this
caloric intake as efficiently as possible. This plays off the idea of letting diet dictate your
training. Believe it or not, this sort of bulking/training philosophy was the status quo up until
the beginning of the 90s. Parillo, who was notorious for his insane high-calorie diets,
discussed at length about using the body as a storage factory. And this is how most athletes
have trained.

The mechanical strain techniques DC uses (cluster, LS, some DCers do high-load static
holds as well), feeds off the traditional wisdom of letting your training dictate the diet. Ergo,
the high protein demands. But, his group of people happen to be very good at doing the
timed carb intake thing and eating sufficient post-WO carbs, because again they understand
that DC is still a performance-oriented system. The DC system pursues both progressive
and absolute load more aggressively than any other program in existence, outside of HST.
And thus, the strain it generates on the muscle is always significant.

Even though DC is more or less 2x-a-week per bodypart, it would generate better results
than HST provided you can muster the intensity and eat big. The mechanical strain is
roughly equivalent to 5s/post-5s. But the metabolic stress is that of Strossen's 20-rep
programs, which isn't true for HST's 5s program. Although I'll probably draw fire for saying
this, but you can view it as a super, super tweaked version of a old-school HG routine.

) Rest Pause = cluster (high volume at high load = more p38) + density training (short rest
period = higher erk1/2 activity)
2) Loaded stretch = high p38 through initiating reflex (though DC's approach arguably
produces diminishing results for certain DC stretches due to detraining effect of said reflex)

3) Continuous progressive load = no need for SD (albeit, load steps may not be ideal and the
rotate-the-exercise MU management scheme is not optimal for strain)

4) Aggressive high protein bulk, which for most folk would be a 750-1500 caloric surplus.

Quote:
Well if you use progressive load on the loaded stretches then the reflex will be not detrained
The reflex actually always gets detrained when you use it. It's always most pronounced the
first few times you perform the loaded stretch. Moreover, because in DC, the LS are done
after heavy metabolic stress is applied, the reflex kicks in a bit later than it would otherwise.
The progressive load helps to fight this, but not all DC/fascia stretches easily facilitate
progressive load. Finally, the longer you go on a stretch, after a certain point, you won't be
able to generate a higher tension response due to a relaxation counterresponse. That's not a
knock against DC, just that there's a practical limit to using the reflex to generate higher
tension.

Quote:
Then why does dc uses 3 exercises per rotation? What is the rationale behind this?
It's primarily necessary in order to vary the MU recruitment pool and manage the amount of
fatigue. Each session torches your CNS connection for that part, but does it differently than
the session before. For example, if you do dips one day, then incline press for the other, the
lower pecs and delts do not get torched both sessions. Also, because DCers rotate between
free weight, free bodyweight, and machines, the stabilization factor varies, which adjusts the
neural drive requirement. Or to pit it another way, a person would be crazy to do 20-rep
at-the-floor squats for every leg day, but if say he interspersed it with hack squats and leg
press, suddenly it's more feasible. The rotation creates a sort of cycling scheme for the CNS
fatigue. The disadvantage to this, though, is that the strain you apply to the muscle does
vary session to session in sort of zig-zag fashion.

Quote:
How do you explain the wicked strength gains made on dc?
1) Frequency is twice every 8 days. Traditionally, that's the frequency range that HD2ers and
HGers use to increase strength.

2) The 3-exercise rotation strategy implementing a sort of neural-drive cycling scheme

3) Although DC is a strength-oriented program, its requisite load ranges (as with many >5RM
failure-based programs) and slow cadence means there's a significant requirement for
metabolic efficiency as well as overall CNS adaptations in optimal functional performance.
The combination of the bulking diet and high metabolic stress enables both high glycogen
storage and significant endurance-related adaptations, taking care of a big part of the DC
program. In comparison, Max-OT is much less influenced by this metabolic issue, because
the rep cadence is more traditional and the rep range is very short.
4) Green tea is a mild stimulant.

5) Finally, any program that successfully puts on a lot of mass (such as DC), enables the
possibility of enormous strength gains.

Quote:
in dc there is only 1 set.do you think that this 1 set can provide huge hypertrophy as it is 2
sets bodypart week?
Remember that sets, as are all volume discussions, require context. DC is not a Big Four
program. For any given session, you'll be hitting bodyparts directly or indirectly 2 or 3 times
from just your work sets. A work set may be rest-paused, which roughly works out to two
work sets per exercise for given relative load (i.e. 15-20 reps for 10RM.) Finally, you add in
loaded stretches

Quote:
DC said that for legs that dont grow a set of 4-8 reps then a 20 rep set with a weight you can
do 12 only?
From the standpoint of weightlifting tradition, 20-rep squats is as time-honoured as they
come. 20-rep squats produce a sick amount of metabolic stress and offer a form of
clustering at a fairly high load. Finally, there's a possibility that clustering/density training
could produce higher strain than contiguous reps. I'm working out a variation of 20-rep and
Gironda with some people that more or less replicates that. But I'm not completely sure how
well it will work. Again, from DC's point of view, 20-rep squats are part of the training
methodology that has worked through the years.

Quote:
Also dc does only 1 set of stetches duration 45-60 s per bodypart?do you think that you
need to stick to 60 s or less?what is the ideal duration?do you recommend more than 1 set
of this loaded stretch or 2 sets of ls are better?
Really, there is no ideal duration. It's more apparent if you read some of the flexibility training
manuals out there. I only recommend shorter times because HST is high frequency and
because the stretch loads begin near your 5RM. You need less duration to benefit from it.
Whereas on DC, the lower frequency and more moderate stretch loads (with some
exceptions) requires longer times.

Also, it's not desirable to do multiple sets of LS, because you'll speed up the detraining of the
stretch reflex. The emphasis should be on continuous time per stretch, where the reflex
increases the tension signal. At some time duration, an inverse relaxation response will kick
in. Then the tension peaks or goes back down. You don't want to stretch that long. You don't
want to detrain your reflex to be able to stretch that long. But 45-60s is reasonable for what
he wants his trainees to do.

Quote:
Is it an optimal split where there is no overlap compared to max ot?
Max-OT templates are wacky because some templates have a lot of upper-torso overlap,
and other templates don't. Dude didn't think through his workout plan well enough. Week to
week, your results seem to bop and weave.
DC's push-pull-leg split is good for managing the CNS stress. But I think it might help to
throw in metabolic sets periodically every 2 days or so. For example, on leg and pulling
days, throw in a 15-rep set with a machine chest press. On pulling and pushing days, throw
in a 15-rep leg press set or do bike/stair cardio. On pushing and leg days, throw in a 15-rep
row and pulldown set. All done at a very light weight just enough to cause some burn.

The strength gains from Dante's clients on his program, for me, is fairly consistent with my
experience with HIT. Because HIT is about demonstrating your size gains through strength --
if you gained a lot of real, force-produced mass -- your strength levels will take off, even if
the coupling of your system has been mitigated. There's of course significant flaws with HIT,
and by no means am I saying that it should be used primarily as a strength-training system,
but generally if your mass gains are big, your strength gains will be big. The general
complaint among HIT trainees is that they enjoy these strength gains but have little size
gains to show. But the brilliance of Dante's program is how its additional strategies creates
safeguard mechanisms whereby a Brawn-ish HIT program can mantain HST-validity, even if
the HIT aspect of it begins to collapse.

In fact, I'd also say that the DC program, provided you can continue the progressive
overload, is probably more effective than HST routine at building mass. 1) His exercise
rotation switches up the recruitment pattern, so that you can partially avoid some of the
strength-negating effects of failure training. Of course, you still can't hit the bodypart
3x-a-week this way, but the residual damage from the load stretching means some growth is
occuring at baseline protein synthesis levels.

2) He implements a periodized recovery cycle (right terminology) in order for the CNS to
catch up. This isn't the same thing as strategic deconditioning, but it recognizes you can't be
"on" all the time. Also, because the training program by default aims perpetually for new
PRs, at least the first week of that recovery cycle will not be completely mitigated by RBE.

3) Use of post-failure techniques as well as 20-rep breathing squats means he's ratcheting
up the erk1/2 levels, and thus even with the very low volume, you'll enjoy enormous
sarcoplasmic hypertrophy workout to workout. Couple that with Dante's hardcore stance on
EAT!!, you'll see immediate size results as well as some recourse against the wipeout of
your CNS. Unlike a unoptimized HST routine, you can expect sarcoplasmic hypertrophy
every workout.

4) Load stretching. Now, this part is the unique wrinkle of his program. Turns out this is, for
the bodyparts we care about, the load stretching is the secret -- the primary growth
stimulator -- this is what essentially creates both the strength increases and sustainable
growth -- without frying the CNS. This is the genius part. It's not just that the program is
taking advantage of the length vs. tension curve to create major sarcomere disruption
workout to workout -- it's that he's also relying on the lenthy TUL to inititate the passive
stretch reflex and indirectly create a progressive load at the super-stretched position. It
doesn't really matter that the training loads are themselves rather low -- as long as the
trainee remembers to increase the starting training loads (or stretch angles) workout to
workout, or extend his TUL long enough workout-to-workout to kick off the passive stretch
reflex, he'll effectively have his necessary mechanical stress progression. Nearly every time.
And so, he'll get his major p38 activity here, his sarcomere hypertrophy here.
5) And if you believe there is a relationship between cell volume and satellite cell creation,
then you'll also realize that his three-part combination of post-failure techniques, loaded
stretches, and managed load progression -- all accomplished in the same workout -- is a
nicely packaged milieu that creates a snowball hypertrophic effect. Ergo, the amazing
results.

Ken "Skip" Hill.... Skiploading, contest prep, picking his brain, the works
Im going to give you guys a little treat....I told you we talk about alot of things in the
Supermoderator Forum.....one day us supermoderators started to pick Skip's brain.....and it
kept going and going and going so i said "Screw it, lets turn this into an article and let Skip
run the floor with this stuff".....so Homon, Kidrok, Sweatmachine, Massive G, Creator, Winnie
and myself just kept asking Skip questions over and over and let him run with the ball of
string....and then we threw it into article form.....

Without further delay:

There seems to be a phenomenon sweeping over the internet in the last couple years
regarding last week contest prep called "SkipLoading". It is the brainchild of Ken "Skip" Hill of
Colorado, a renowned contest prep/dieting trainer. It flies in the face of the conventional
Wednesday to Friday (yams, oatmeal, pie filling) carbups that have been around for
decades. After numerous high placings by his many competitors in contests over the last few
years, we set out to talk to the man himself about his distinct methods.

Q: Skip, can you tell us a little about yourself and your background?

My name is Ken Hill but everyone in the industry knows me simply as Skip. I am originally
from Michigan and have lived in Denver, Colorado for the last eleven years. My wife of
fifteen years and I have four children: sixteen, ten, eight, and three years old. I co-own
IntenseMuscle.com and I own my contest preparation and nutritional consulting business,
TEAM SKIP. I have been doing contest prep online for the last six years with clients
worldwide. I have been training for twenty-four years and I am also a competitive
bodybuilder. I knew that with my structure and size I would not dominate the competition so I
needed another way to win. I decided to focus on conditioning and nutrition so that if I
couldn't beat you on size I was going to beat you on condition. The problem was that the
more I read and listened to others, the more things didn't make sense. I figured I would find
out what did and did not work. Over the last twenty-four years I have set aside the "rules"
and found some very successful, albeit unorthodox, ways to peak before a show.

Q: Before we get into the specifics of it all, how did the name "SkipLoading" come about?
Did some of your trainees name it that and it became a staple over time or was it a
conscious decision by you to have a specific name for the process?
SkipLoading is my version of what has been historically known as Sh**loading. An
oversimplification of Sh**loading is to deplete your body of carbs, sodium, etc., then load on
foods high in fat, carbs, and sodium usually the morning of the show. Using this approach, I
adjusted timing, water intake, and types of food to find the right balance. Over time it evolved
so much that it didn't resemble Sh**loading anymore. I discussed a lot of the differences on
my website a few years ago and someone referred to it as SkipLoading and from there the
name stuck. SkipLoading is the result of a lot of hard work to tweak and perfect the process.
The name not only recognizes my efforts, it separates my adaptation from the original and
gives the entire concept more credibility.

Q: Again before getting into the specifics of SkipLoading is there a testing process you use
on a competitor in the weeks approaching a contest to see how he will react to it?

Absolutely. SkipLoading is incorporated into the leaning down process to a certain extent. As
much as SkipLoading is a protocol for loading the last week before a show, quite a few
components of the load are utilized in the leaning down process. This helps the metabolism
stay fresh and primed and allows me to see how that client reacts to certain timing of foods,
amounts of food, effects on the body's condition, etc. SkipLoading is very predictable but the
constant trial runs throughout prep make the process as efficient as possible and at the
critical last week before the show, the client and I know EXACTLY what to expect. Without
the trial runs I would have clients asking me, "You want me to do WHAT???"

Q: When dieting down competitors are you pretty standard with your dieting methods at that
time? Is there a certain plan of attack you use (hi/low/med carb days, Paleo diet, low carb,
low fat...etc) or again does that vary by the individual?

I use the same principles for each client, and all diets include a combination of proteins,
carbs, fats, and TrueProtein.com supplements to ensure they are getting the highest quality
nutrients available. All clients will use re-feed or high-carb days, and I will not eliminate any
macronutrient. That is where the similarities between clients cease. Based on the
information requested of and provided by the client, food types, macro ratios, re-feed, and
high-carb days are all designed specifically for that person. I do not use templates, software,
or basic outlines for my diets. I develop individual starting plans for each client using a
calculator, pencil, and paper. I do not make a client's situation fit my nutritional plan; I create
a nutritional plan that fits the client's specific needs.

Q: Why did you venture away from the traditional carb load used by so many? What were
the problems you saw with that way of doing things?

How much time do you have? : )

Simply put, the results of traditional carb loading are very inconsistent and usually negatively
affect a bodybuilder’s condition. I regularly see competitors head into the final week before a
show looking incredible only to appear on stage looking terrible. Sometimes they would be
smooth from carrying water or flat with little definition. Those varied results often came from
using the same approach with carb loading, which meant the traditional approach was not
working. I discovered that most people were unaware of how carbs and water work together
when loading. This is where things got interesting.
Q: With the difference of timing with a traditional carb load vs. a SkipLoading procedure, is
the contest shape you want someone in the last week or two pre contest the same in each
scenario?

It is pretty much the same, yes. There is a balance between being very lean and partially
depleted for SkipLoading to be effective. With the old, original method, you had to be very
depleted and I discovered that the timeframe to load was not long enough to fill out someone
with a larger amount of muscle mass like the heavy and super-heavyweights. If you were too
depleted you weren't going to fill out in time, either. SkipLoading eliminates these two
variables, completely. It allows plenty of time to load and the bodybuilder’s size doesn’t
matter.

I should point out that SkipLoading isn't just about the loading aspect of food, either. The
term is meant to encompass everything including water and sodium intake and manipulation.
I want to be clear that water control and sodium control, etc., are critical components of
SkipLoading just as the method of loading carbs and filling glycogen stores. Anyone can get
full for a show but SkipLoading allows you to be at your fullest and yet be very dry, tight and
hard, as well.

Q: As I understand it (correct me if I am wrong) the SkipLoading process is started Friday

night for a Saturday show vs. Wednesday afternoon, all of Thursday, all of Friday, and
Saturday morning for a traditional carb load. Does the short timing of the SkipLoad prevent
mistakes and things going haywire vs. the longer traditional carb load?

The timing of the old method (Sh**loading) was to start either very early on the morning of
the show or later Friday night. SkipLoading can vary depending on the individual but usually
starts on the Tuesday or Wednesday before the show. It can last one to three days, again,
depending on the condition and how that client's condition reacts to the load. Most of the
timing is solidified long before the last week because of the trial runs. We are fairly confident
coming into the last week with how the load will look, how long the load will last, how much
food, etc..

What can sometimes make a client uncomfortable is that one of the components of the load
is what I call "fill and spill". You load so hard and you load until you spill water and are
holding water. This can make someone very anxious if they didn't already know how their
body would react weeks ahead of time. After the initial loading phase, other elements of
SkipLoading are employed to basically "clean up the mess". This is where the drying out
process starts and continues until show day.

Also noteworthy is that SkipLoading does not use diuretics of any kind. They simply are not
needed with this loading protocol. I know some think "there is no way he can get them as dry
as someone who would use a diuretic", and they are absolutely incorrect. My condition on
stage as well as that of my clients is evidence enough. Of my forty-seven competitors that I
put on stage last year, only one used a diuretic and that was against my advice.
Q: Do your clients have to use certain foods each time they do a SkipLoad, or can they just
make use of the foods in their current environment (e.g., when traveling out of town to
compete)?

The list of foods is not terribly specific, however, there are combinations of carbohydrates
that I have found work well together. Example: It would be hard to load using only sugary
carbs like pancakes and syrup because some people get nauseous using very sugary
carbohydrate sources, exclusively. So, it is wise to mix starchy carbs in as much as possible
to offset any possible nausea associated with only sugary carb meals.

The food lists I provide are general as I have clients all over the world and some foods or
brands are not available. If the carbohydrates are low in fat, processed, and relatively high
Glycemic index (GI), they will work just fine.

Q: Eating dieting foods for 16-20 weeks of one type and then using the skip load---do people
experience stomach upset? Or this is weeded out during the testing phase?

This is not an issue because throughout the entire prep phase, a variation of SkipLoading is
used for two reasons:

1. To keep the metabolism off guard and primed with a very high amount of carbohydrate
approximately once a week and
2. To test the body's ability to fill out and how long it takes to both retain water and then shed
it.

The effect that these re-feed or loading days have on the metabolism is insane. There are
times where absolutely no diet changes are needed week after week due to the impact that
the loading days have on the metabolism. I liken it to pouring gas on a fire in relation to
carbs and the metabolism. Most of the time you can actually feel your body temperature go
up either as you eat, shortly after you eat, or even all day on these loading days. It is
common to sweat while eating these meals due to the metabolism gaining momentum. Also,
the insulin response from high GI carbs once a week takes advantage of the body's own
insulin production. When in a glycogen depleted state there is no concern with body fat
being stored on these days due to the very high intake of high GI carbs. You come off of
these days very full and can take advantage of added strength for a couple days in the gym
as well.

The component of testing the body throughout the prep phase allows the competitor to know
how much carbs are needed to fill out completely, how long it takes to retain water, and how
long it takes to get that water off after returning to the original diet the following day. This is
all priceless information as the show nears.

Q: What do you do for clients who are gluten intolerant or who have difficulty with dairy?

Dairy products are not included in contest prep or loads. Dairy is too unpredictable and many
people have problems with digesting dairy on some level. It is just easier to leave it out,
completely. I rarely run into someone with a gluten intolerance that actually gets in the way
of a load so that hasn't been an issue, either.
Q: Can you give us an example of a hypothetical SkipLoad and the foods it would entail with
a hypothetical competitor?

I will use my last show as an example to illustrate a typical SkipLoad. Understand that even
though the foods may remain the same for someone else in a different situation, the timing
of meals, frequency, duration, etc., would all be quite different. The varieties of foods that
can be used are endless. I am listing the foods that I used.

I started my load very late on Monday night and it continued all day on Tuesday, only. It was
structured like this:

Monday night about 11pm:

Texas French toast with real maple syrup
kid's cereal with TrueProtein.com protein powder mixed with water (strawberry Frosted
Miniwheats, Fruity Pebbles)
1 large cinnamon and raisin bagel with jam and light cream cheese

Tuesday:
8:30am
Texas French toast and real maple syrup
kid's cereal with TrueProtein.com protein powder mixed with water (strawberry Frosted
Miniwheats and Lucky Charms)

10:30am
French toast with syrup

1pm
Texas French toast with real maple syrup
spaghetti with spaghetti sauce
kid's cereal with TrueProtein.com protein powder mixed with water (cinnamon streusel
frosted Miniwheats, peanut butter Captain Crunch)

4:30pm
spaghetti with spaghetti sauce
Texas French toast with real maple syrup and blueberry syrup

8pm
2 large cinnamon and raisin bagels with light cream cheese and homemade jelly
kids cereal TrueProtein.com protein powder mixed with water (Chocolate Marshmallow
Maties and Captain Crunch Berries)

11pm
peach sorbet

It is important that the fat content of the foods is low but it doesn't have to be zero, either. Fat
slows digestion and it gets in the way of carbs in the sense that if you eat less fat you can
eat more carbs. You want the carbs to be high GI and highly processed so that the insulin
response is as high as possible to pack away the carbs as glycogen. Also, it is far easier to
get down a huge amount of carbs like this when they taste good. I am sure that you can
imagine 1000g of carbs from white rice would be very difficult to do but 1000g of carbs from
pancakes and syrup is not that hard to do at all.

You may think this would be easy, but I assure you that after that first meal or two, it
becomes a chore to get the food down for the rest of the day. Some have to load for two or
three days depending on their situation so getting down the required amount of food can end
up an arduous task.

The day after the end of the load you should be skin-splitting full but watery or starting to get
watery.

Keep in mind that there are variations of this load used throughout the leaning down phase
of the prep to not only gauge the body's response to loading but to keep the metabolism
fresh and running red hot. Clients often comment after their shows that this was the easiest
prep they have ever done. Combine that with their best condition and you have a win/win
situation across the board.

Q: After doing the loading part of SkipLoading, how do you handle the excess water and get
that competitor tight and dry prior to a Saturday show?

This is actually the easy and most predictable part of the process. In weeks prior to the load,
we have already determined how long it takes that competitor to drop the water from the
load and get back to their sharpest condition. Excess water is dropped in a period of one to
four days prior to the show.
Following the load, water intake must be high, as it was throughout the prep. During a load, it
is difficult to drink the required amount of water because the volume of food ingested is very
large. This usually keeps water intake down during the load from the levels during prep.
Immediately after the load is finished, water intake has to return to the high point that it was
prior to the load. This is usually in the area of seven to twelve liters a day depending on the
competitor.

The diet must return to the pre-carb intake levels, as well. Even if there are carbs in the diet,
and there almost certainly will be, the level of carbohydrate intake is so drastically low
compared to during the load that it will not get in the way of moving water and drying out the
competitor. Most would think that carbs need to be cut to zero or very low but that is not the
case.

Sodium must also return to pre-load levels and sodium levels should always be relatively
high while prepping. Usually, sodium intake is anywhere from 3-8g per day depending,
again, on the competitor. Another misconception is that sodium levels must be low for water
to be moved and the competitor to get dry. This poor advice and theory has resulted in many
competitors appearing flat and lacking detail on stage. Approaching a show, sodium levels
should not be cut provided your water intake is where it should be (very high). I have
witnessed many competitors go from looking incredible a week before a show to looking
terrible following a cut in sodium.
After a couple days the competitor will see the water shifting away from under the skin and
being excreted. However, the fullness in the muscle stays because sodium is high, water
intake is high (fully hydrated), and there is no activity other than posing so glycogen isn't
being depleted at a dramatic rate. Fullness will remain constant unless the diet from the end
of the load to show day is too low in calories and carbs.

With SkipLoading, there should be no loading on Saturday morning. You simply get up in the
morning, keep your diet just as you had the previous day and step on stage in incredible
condition with a nice balance of fullness vs. dryness.

Q: How do you control "spilling over" during your water manipulation, using the SkipLoading
technique?

The body will hold water when there is not enough water being ingested. When water is
running through the body on a consistent basis little water is retained if the electrolytes are
balanced. If your sodium levels are too high you can still hold water but if the water intake is
high, the sodium requirement increases as well.

Also, it is important to note that water is not "shed" or controlled by manipulation of sodium
levels with SkipLoading. It is manipulated entirely by loading carbs and adjusting water
intake. The fastest way to go flat, and I see it happen all the time, is to drop sodium levels
too low trying to "get water off". The amount of water and the timing of its intake are crucial
and will vary between clients. It is not uncommon for sodium levels to remain anywhere from
3g to as high as 8 or 9g per day up to the last week before a show. When you understand
how sodium relates to other electrolytes and how it relates to manipulating water, you will hit
the stage harder, fuller, and drier than ever before.

Q: What is the biggest difference your clients have noted between the SkipLoad and other
methods they have used for manipulating water and increasing fullness?

The primary difference is that the balance of fullness vs. dryness is achieved. Every
competitor has a balance of dryness vs. fullness that is optimal for THEM. You always have
to give up at least some of one to get the other. The trick is to find the balance that has that
competitor as dry as he can be and yet as full as he can be. This is exactly what
SkipLoading accomplishes.

Most other loading methods are based on the concept that you load up to a day or so before
the show and try to control water by cutting it at ridiculous times, cutting sodium a couple or
three days out, etc.. When people ask what SkipLoading is, I tell them that if they take what
the normal competitor does and simply do everything opposite, that is SkipLoading. Most of
the principles of SkipLoading seem to be very backwards from what is known as "fact" when
it comes to the last week of prep. My reputation is taking things that are supposed to be
known as fact and blowing them out of the water.

Q: Many competitors including pros have found themselves in high risk or even fatal
situations due to diuretic use or better yet, misuse. You've experimented and found a way to
bring people in bone-dry consistently without using diuretics, thereby making it a safer way
to obtain that final stage-worthy dry look that is so sought after. Could you give us an
overview on how this came about and how it works?

Diuretics have ruined many competitors’ conditions and it is not needed if you know how to
manipulate water. I have always said that people get too caught up in water restriction or
elimination when they should be focusing on water MANIPULATION. You don't want to
necessarily get rid of water; you want to make sure it is in the right place which is in the
muscle. Just like a carb load, diuretics are often misunderstood and misused, and can ruin a
competitor’s conditioning.

SkipLoading not only fills you out but manipulates and shifts water into the muscle so using a
diuretic becomes unnecessary. It isn't always easy to tell a new client that they will not be
using a diuretic because they are so used to using them. I have heard many times "then how
in the hell am I going to get dry?” as if there is no other way to get bone dry. My loading
protocol has become so popular not only because of the competitor’s ultimate condition, but
also because it does not stress the kidneys like the use of diuretics does. My clients do not
have to worry about a trip to the emergency room after a show. In my opinion, diuretics have
likely contributed to the increase in failing kidneys in bodybuilding over the last ten years.
This increase in kidney related issues is alarming.

Q: How do you manage the SkipLoad during the day of the show?

If everything has been done properly and the competitor's condition is 100% in the morning,
the day is handled as the previous day less the water intake. Water is routinely cut at
bedtime on Friday night for a Saturday show. After the body cycles through such a large
amount of water over the course of so many days, it will assume that when the competitor
gets up Saturday morning that this will continue. Since the body assumes water intake will
be the same, it will continue to excrete water the day of the show. As a result, the competitor
continues to dry and harden as the morning progresses.

If the competitor wakes up flat on Saturday morning after SkipLoading, it is due to a lack of
carbs. Because water intake has been high, the body is essentially 100% hydrated. Sodium
is high and would not be the cause, leaving carbs as the culprit. At this point, carbs need to
be ingested but the best way to do this is to take in foods high in three things: sodium, carbs,
and fat. The sodium will efficiently pack the carbs away as glycogen, and the fats will control
the rate that the carbs hit the bloodstream preventing a shock to the system. These foods
are very easy to incorporate because they are things that taste very good like fast food
burgers, fries, doughnuts, pizza, cookies, etc. The best foods are those you crave as they
contain the sodium, carbs, and fat. You then eat in relation to your condition. If you are filling
out, you do not need to eat as much. If you are not filling out, you keep eating. The only thing
to watch for the day of the show is abdominal distention. Overeating can cause the stomach
to bulge so if you are working on filling out, you will want to eat as much as you can without
causing stomach distention. With water intake being cut the night before, there will be no
water control issues while eating these foods. When loading in this manner, your condition
will not worsen unless you take in too much water.

Q: Are there times you will not use the SkipLoading process on a competitor and will go to a
more traditional plan?
No. I may change the timing, the loading day or days, water, sodium, and/or other variables
but the principle of SkipLoading remains the same for every single competitor. I had
forty-seven clients take the stage in 2007. Each one used SkipLoading tailored to their
needs and this put them in their best ever condition.

Q: What are some of the things that can go wrong with SkipLoading if not done right?

A few things can go wrong but you have to really work at making it fail:
1.If a client does not load enough, they will not fill out, which results in a flat look minimizing
muscle detail. A full muscle shows much more detail and hardness.
2. Overloading or not cleaning up the water post-load, results in a smooth appearance.
3. Water retention varies greatly between people, and forcing off water with diuretics or
drastically cutting sodium often results in a flat appearance on stage.

While only a few things can go wrong, they can be disastrous on your conditioning and
ultimately affect your final placement.

Q: Do your clients generally experience a rebound after a SkipLoading week?

Rebounds are not common. The main reason is that the only real change is in the amount of
carbs that are eaten. Sodium levels are not dropped, water is not cut early, and diuretics are
not used, so there is no real rebound after the show. During a typical load, most competitors’
rebounds are due to the reintroduction of water, sodium and after the use of a diuretic. When
sodium is reintroduced combined with increased water intake, a competitor may put on up to
twenty or more pounds in the days following a show.

With SkipLoading the rebound is subtle and when the post-show foods are introduced there
is little shock to the system and weight does not fluctuate dramatically. The heart and
kidneys are typically much safer from the dangers frequently found when other methods are
employed.

It should also be noted that with SkipLoading it is very easy to compete in shows that are
only one to two weeks apart because of the lack of rebound in bodyweight. After a show, if
that competitor is back on his diet Monday his condition will be rock solid by Wednesday or
Thursday at the latest. The load typically requires modification, and will vary by the
individual, but it is relatively easy to pull off and much more predictable than a traditional
approach.

Q: Can you or would you SkipLoad a fitness or figure competitor?

I do, yes. The process for fitness, figure, or female bodybuilding does not differ from that of a
male bodybuilder. All require a balance of fullness and dryness and SkipLoading can be
used for any of them.

Q: When dieting down competitors is there a specific number of weeks out from their show
you like to start the dieting process or do you do this on a case by case basis?
I am recognized for my work in the weeks immediately preceding a show. I do, however,
prefer to work with a client through the entire prep. Sixteen weeks is typically an adequate
time frame to evaluate a client’s reaction to various situations and scenarios prior to the
critical pre-show focus. I may require more or allow less time, but sixteen weeks is best
practice.

I also insist that guys do not come to me out of shape. There are those who believe they are
"off season" when they are truly just too fat. I am very good at what I do and I have saved
many a train wreck but that is not my business. I am in the business of putting people on
stage looking like they have no skin. To do that, I cannot have clients that are too heavy and
carrying far too much body fat. It makes the process of dieting torturous on the client, it
usually eats at least some hard-earned muscle, and you will almost always get on stage
tighter, harder and carrying more of your muscle when you come into the start of a prep
leaner than fatter.

Q: What is the #1 mistake you see or hear about competitors doing during the last week of
prep before a bodybuilding show?

Gee, only one?

The problem I hear most often is "I didn't carb up enough" or "I had too many carbs". If
someone is flat, they naturally assume that it was a lack of carbs, when most of the time it
probably was not the case. The problem was likely dropping water early, not taking in
enough water, sodium too low, etc. If the competitor is soft and holding water, carbs are often
blamed again when it is likely that they did not properly control water intake following a load.
Even those not lean enough blame the carbs. Carbs are the usual scapegoat for almost all
condition-related issues.

Q: How is cardio utilized during this whole dieting process? The last week?

I am much bigger on cardio than I used to be, during the course of contest prep. However, I
still don't go crazy with it and I tend to use it more as a tool than something to rely on to get
lean. As an example, most will make their caloric intake fluctuate to keep their metabolism
off balance and that is a good idea. However, a comparable idea is to vary cardio levels and
do so even before changing caloric intake. Anytime you reduce cardio, you rest your body
which makes you less likely to over train. You want to do as little work as possible when in
dieting mode whether that is training or cardio. Do what is necessary and that is it.

During the last week before a show cardio is not used. It is cut at least one week before the
show as the metabolism is on fire at that point and usually can "coast" through the last
couple weeks. This gives the lower body a nice opportunity to rest and recover before the
show and it also makes it easier to load if your metabolism is not red hot.

Q: It is known thru the bodybuilding grapevine (underground) that you have worked with and
helped some very well known NAME bodybuilders in the sport (pro's and top amateurs) yet it
has been kept under wraps and not said publically, why is that? Due to the entities that
sponsor that bodybuilder or the contracts they have?
Sponsorship and contracts are factors, but there are a myriad of other reasons names are
not publicized, starting with professional courtesy. Often the bodybuilder has a long and
established relationship with another top nutritionist and they come to me for the last couple
weeks for fine tuning. Leanness can be accomplished with the help of most nutritionists in
the industry. What separates me from others is the consistent, replicable achievement of
hardness, fullness, and dryness when my clients hit the stage. As a result, many employ
their nutritionist to become lean but come to me for the last, critical weeks leading up to the
show.

Some request confidentiality because they do contest prep as well. While people of any
profession benefit from the expertise of others in their field, many do not want their own
customers to know they have someone else helping with their prep work. Such advertising
might be great for my business but not necessarily theirs.

Until recently I have not publicly discussed the clients I work with. However, in working with
more high-profile athletes and bodybuilders I am learning that the exposure for some clients
may be critical in landing them endorsements or obtaining sponsorships. IntenseMuscle.com
is well known and read by a lot of prominent figures in the industry. I was surprised to learn
of the increasing attention the website and my clients are receiving. It only seems fair that
they get the attention that they have earned.

Q: One last question Skip, you are known for your vast knowledge of diet, nutrition, and
contest prep, however, do you develop training programs for clients as well?

95% of my clients are looking for assistance with their conditioning whether it be getting
them peeled for a show, getting them leaner without giving up hard earned muscle, or
maintaining their leanness during the offseason while they still grow and gain muscle tissue.
I have trained for 24 years and will provide training guidance, if requested, but this is not
usually what people are looking for when they approach me.

I am a conditioning guy, plain and simple. Because of the way I think and approach things, I
will constantly be questioning the “facts” whether related to nutrition or supplementation. I
will continue to work to find different ways to get into even better condition for a show or to
get leaner while preserving muscle mass. It is almost an obsession for me. If you are looking
for more information about SkipLoading or any other conditioning ideas, theories or concepts
you can visit my website at: www.IntenseMuscle.com or email me at:
TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com.

heres an q and a from The man himself, Dorian

he underhand trick by Dorian Yates

Q | Why do you use a reverse grip in so many of your back exercises?
A | Most bodybuilders have wide upper lats, but inadequate lower-lat width, or sweep. The
good news is that getting at your lower lats can be as simple as turning your grip upside
down. Yes, changing your grip from the customary overhand to a reverse (underhand) style
can make a difference in what part of the back you emphasize with a rowing exercise.
Pulling your arms back with your hands in an underhand position involves the lower lats to a
greater extent. When your elbows are out to your sides, such as for wide-grip pulldowns or
rows, you utilize your upper lats more. But when your elbows are close to your sides--as in
underhand pulldowns and rows--more of your lower lats are involved.

For complete back development, I include exercises with all types of hand positions:
overhand, reverse, palms facing and even mixed grip (one palm forward, one backward) for
deadlifts. I do realize that I rely on reverse grips for more movements than other
bodybuilders do. For lat pulldowns and barbell rows, in particular, I've personally found that a
reverse grip engages my lower lats and, overall, I get a greater range of motion during the
exercises.

To further accentuate these effects, I employ a narrower grip than is common. When I move
my hands closer in a reverse grip, I can stretch my lower lats more during the extension and
pull my elbows farther back for the contraction.

The workout presented here includes two reverse-grip exercises: machine pulldowns and
barbell rows. Machine pulldowns are first. I warm up with three pyramided, 10-rep sets, each
one progressively heavier so that I max out on the third set. I then load it up so that my
working set is all-out, for six to eight reps. I aim to get all eight reps by myself. In any case, I
do at least six alone, plus two forced reps.

Reverse-grip barbell rows are third in this back arsenal, and my back is already pumped, so
only one warm-up set of 15 reps is needed. I abandoned the underhand version and
replaced it with the overhand version after I tore my left biceps in 1994, but, either way, my
warm-up has to be heavy enough so that I'm mentally and physically ready for my all-out set
of five or six full-range reps. If I can't get another full-range repetition, I'll add a three-quarter
rep, then a half rep.

I highly recommend experimenting with different grip styles during your back workout. Each
change can help spur new growth and adaptation, which is what the bodybuilding game is all
about.

MassiveG- Diet *(A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE LOOKING TO GROW!)*

I see many guys spend hours writing out exercise schemes and routines and splits for Dc
training but most fail miserably on the diet part.

I don't understand this as it's pretty cut and dry. You eat pro fat veggie and pro carb meals.
You eat more carbs early in the day and cut them at night. A guy that tends to put on fat
sniffing food will cut his carbs sooner and they will be lower, where as a guy that walks
around steaming because he is naturally a fat burning metabolic machine will be able to get
by with later carb cut offs and even at some points combine fats and carbs-(EFA's and
complex carbs)

As far as macros calories and meals that's really individual a basic plan is get the whole solid
meals in first, eat around 8 feedings a day and 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.

Proteins
Lean Beef
Chicken
Fish
Pork
Eggs

Carbs
Pots
Rice
Pasta
(simple sugars pre powo only)

Fats
Olive oil
Fish oil
walnuts, almonds, macadamia nuts etc.

Meal structure
1 pro carb with EFA (solid)
2 Pro carb (solid)
3 Pro fat (liquid-mrp shake with EFA)
4 Pro Carb Veggie
5 Pro carb -(liquid pre powo shake)
6 Pro carb (solid)
7 Pro fat Veg (solid)
8 Pro fat (liquid night time shake)

Now as this thread evolves it can build on supplements that can be added as well as
techniques on how to eat, how to get more protein down, and a host of other tips and tricks I
used over the years to evolve my diet and develop the perfect formula for me to gain lean
mass with minimal fat gain.

.Eating the protein First Reviewing Why we do it-

There was a recent thread on Mayhem in which someone questioned DANTE's advice to eat
the protein first.
I thought I'd share it here and added some more clarification on my part why we do this.
Dante could probably write 2 books on this stuff so what I write most already know or maybe
not.
Every few years I have posted it and always get a few people that benefit from it.
We DC'ers already eat proteins first but I thought I'd share why since I have eaten for
function since day 1.
DC::Think for a second--If you fill your hunger with protein first what are you most likely not
going to eat a huge amount of? It takes roughly 24.6-26 calories burned to digest every 100
calories of protein yet it only takes roughly 3.8 to 4.2 calories burned to digest every 100
calories of fats/carbs so are you figureing out yet why my trainees are always hot like a
furnace and stay reasonably lean eating gross amounts of food?

If I can add something here to further back Dante's theories:

Eating protein first in a meal increases the effeciency of digestion and a greater overall
amount of protein as an end result in from a meal. In short a greater amount of aminos make
it to the blood stream. Everytime I have written about this in the past few years people
always are like "WOW I learned something new today".
I call it eating for function.
The function of the digestive system.
I eat proteins first for 2 reasons-that digestive system is physiologically geared that way and
it improves the effeciency of digestion and a greater overall availability of proteins/aminos
from food for the body to use.
Carbohydrates are digested 30% in the mouth with the salivary enzyme amylase and of
course chewing.
CARBS aren't digested in the stomach=they just sit there and slowly pass into the small
intestines where the pancreatic enzymes do 70% more and complete the process.
Fats are the same way if eaten first or mixed with carbs will sit there and clog up digestion.
Proteins are primarily digested in the stomach. Therfore, eating proteins after these foods
will result in a reduced amount of protein digestion-leaving some incompletely digested and
unabsorbable and therefore lost.
This in turn causes the undigested protein to be pulled into the small intestine reducing the
protein effeciency of your meal and contributing to the mass of your colon.
You want something worse? We are set up by traditional eating to fail.
Go out to a steak house. First thing you get is your salad-THAT is the last thing you want to
eat in a meal after the steak and then the potato.
Cellulose is undigestable by the human body and will really clog up the process reducing the
effeciency of digestion and your meal itself.

As mentioned previously proteins speed up the metabolic rate more than carbs and fat.
Concerning basal metabolism proteins speed it up 30%, Carbs and fats 10%. The mere
process of digestion and absorbtion of protein races the metabolism and will increase
anabolism in an advanced athlete.

Now granted you can eat a huge meal like a Mcdonalds Combo meal mix it all up and it will
get digested but it will interfere with feedings and the effeciency of the meal will be less and
eventually leadto a lot of adipose tissue gain.

There are reasons we eat Protein and Fat together and protein and carbs. Insulin. Eating fat
and carbs are a death warrant to bb'ers when consumed together and lays adipose tissue
down as easily as Home Depot lays down cheap carpet.

I could write more especially on the types of proteins and their absorbtion-things like
incomplete proteins etc.
Poor Rocky still thinks Peanuts are a good protein meal when their amino acid structure is
very very poor.
Maybe one day we can teach him that Rockys interpretation of DC training isn't DC training.

Anyhoo..just my 2 cents. We are all here to learn from each other but Dante's methods are
backed by science and 3-4 years of online "University" studies with 100's reaping the
benefits-so it is good advice and gospel for most ADVANCED lifters.

PEACE.
This was a good post too in the thread:
Protein will serve you a dual role in body modification in that it is as important for body fat
reduction as it is for muscular gains. In regards to body fat reduction, protein has a specific
dynamic action on the metabolism which means that when you ingest protein, your
metabolic rate is elevated higher and remains elevated longer than when you ingest either
fats or carbohydrates. A high carb meal will only elevate your metabolism from 4 to 30
percent above normal. This small elevation will last only 2 to 5 hours. A high protein meal
however will elevate your metabolism by up to 70 percent above normal and this effect can
last as long as 10 to 12 hours."