Appearing in Temecula (California)

BY R ICH AR D CAR R IER / ON APRIL 5, 2012 / 8 COMMENTS

I am going to be on an interfaith panel talking about “Who Is Jesus? Did

He Exist? Did He Rise from the Dead?” at theRancho Community Church in Temecula, California (31300 Rancho
Community Way), on Sunday, May 27 (2012), from 7pm to 9pm. I will represent the doubters-of-all, but joining me will
be an Imam and a Rabbi and a Christian pastor working on his doctorate. Child care will be available for parents who want
to attend. I believe it’s free, but donations might be asked (and I’d give something for their expenses, since they are going
out of their way to bring other faith perspectives into their church and that’s cool).

It might devolve into a debate, it might just be a conversation, I don’t know, but it should be an interesting discussion either
way. The sponsor is the Antioch Church community, which usually gives church services or events like this Sunday nights.
They seem to be a kind of progressive Christian mission (albeit on the conservative side, reminds me a little of
Saved), and this “debate” caps a series they’ve been running on questions about Jesus and faith (check out their
Facebook page on this event). They might stump a bit for Jesus at the event, but I’m sure you can handle it.

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D A V E B R U E M M E R • A P R I L 7, 2 0 1 2 , 6 : 0 3 P M

This is gonna be cool. It’s right down the street from my house. One thing I can tell you about Rancho, which if
the local megachurch, is during the prop 8 voting they literally had the entire street lined up with people holding
signs to get gay marriage banned. They had elementary school and teenage kids out there picketing.

Perhaps my favorite sign some old fool was holding: OPPOSING GAY MARRIAGE = RELIGIOUS
FREEDOM.At least he wasn’t trying to pretend his position wasn’t religion-based the way many do. So be
aware you are entering hostile territory over here, though I’m sure you’re used to that.

R E P LY

DA VE BR U EMMER • AP RIL 8, 2012, 12:18 AM

It’s being marketed as a debate, so expect the de-evolution and be ready. I’m letting the
local atheists know about this and telling them they need to attend.

R E P LY

DEA N • APRIL 11, 2012, 11:35 AM

Dave, the meeting is taking place at the Rancho Community Church building but the actual
church that is presenting this is Antioch. Antioch church just recently invited a Alan Chambers
to speak on homosexuality and held a follow up teaching where the main consensus was that
in general church congregations should not waste there time protesting movements such as
the one that you mentioned as they would just be employing empty morals on people which is
not a scripture centered action, emphasizing that they should just focus on caring for
individuals themselves. This was followed up by a Live Q/A as is every service this church
holds which was bombarded by valuable discussion engendered by regular members of
Antioch who were Gay/Lesbian/Agnostic. So for the record Antioch hasn’t participated in
any protest that I know of and this doesn’t sound hostile environment to me…

Just wanted to get the facts straight. Either way I’m excited for this debate and I can’t wait to
hear Richard and Andrew.

R E P LY
 RICH ARD CARRIER • APRIL 13, 2012, 8:34 AM

Thanks, Dean! I very much appreciate that information.

R E P LY

N EU N DER • APRIL 8, 2012, 11:40 AM

You might be interested in this CNN Story,

The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/?hpt=hp_c2

R E P LY

RICH ARD CARRIER • APRIL 8, 2012, 6 :55 PM

Way ahead of you.

R E P LY

N EU N DER • APRIL 8, 2012, 11:50 AM

Ah, I just read it. I see you were quoted.

I’m sure your readers would like to see you respond to some of the critics in this story. I know I would.

R E P LY

RICH ARD CARRIER • APRIL 8, 2012, 6 :58 PM

Why? They aren’t even responding to anything I’ve said, except things I’ve already
answered. And what they do say is just lame (like Evans’ “argument from crying”).

R E P LY

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