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pravin_shirsath Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: Earthqauke load combination query
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Dear Friends,
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as we know that we calculate lump mass = dead load + partial live load as per IS 1893.
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but we consider load combination where there is no participation of live load
1.5(DL+EQ) or 0.9DL +1.5EQ as per IS1893.
There is no live laod in above load case, whereas Earthquake force is included with live load.
This is seems to be overdesign of members.
Senior and experience persons please comment on this issue.
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rajancivildesign Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: Load Combination for Earthquake Load
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During earthquake, in actual real case some minimum persons or furnitures (as movable Live load)
are to be there in the building. We have to account for this during earthquake as lumped mass
condition. However, after considering various load combinations, this load
combination (0.9DL+/1.50EL) as specified in clause 6.3.1.2 of IS1893 (Part 1)2002 is the worst
case . The other load case 1.2(DL+LL+/EL) never be the worst case.
Always design is governed by Horizontal load Effect of gravity loads that is why 0.90 is considered for
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gravity load.
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V.M.RAJAN.
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rahul.leslie Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:26 am Post subject:
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The query of sri. pravin_shirsath is something I've often asked myself.
I've also thought why do we take wt. of the bricks, the timeperiod due to presence of bricks'
stiffness, but never the stiffness of bricks themselves.
For the 2nd case, at least it's that we do not have a fool proof method of solving it.
But the 1st one can be done, as far as the software have facilities for implementing it: ETABS dosen't
have. Seismic coeff. method of STAAD dosen't, but response spectrum does.
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Location: Trivandrum
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Manoharbs_eq Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:18 pm Post subject:
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Dear all,
If you can see clearly DL+1.5 EQ and 0.9DL +1.5EQ are the load combination used to check the
stability, while checking the stability of structure the live loads need not be considered.
And coming to the live load factor of 0.5 and 0.25 live load to be considered in seismic mass, seismic
mass is source for the EQ analysis, based on this we can approximate the forces on structures as
shears at each level. This shall not be mistaken with the design load combination. For instance I am
performing a EQ analysis and i have to consider the seismic weight so that inertia effect is
mathematically developed, so to be specific all the live load at all the level will not be there at same
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time hence the factors are applied.
While design is for most critical combination, 1.2 DL+LL+EQ and 1.5 DL+EQ. It is quite simple these
combinations are derived from probabilistic approach, and by experimentation , these factors vary
from code to code.
Rgds
Manohar
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mahantesh_83 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: Earthqauke load combination query
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Dear Pravin,
You no need to consider live load for calculation of earthquake load where there is no participation of
live load.
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Location: Mumbai, India Please refer the clause 7.3.3 of IS 1893 Part 1 2002, which is as below
7.3 Design Imposed Loads for Earthquakes Force Calculation
7.3.1 For various loading classes as specified in IS 875( Part 2 ), the earthquake force shall be
calculated for the full dead load plus the percentage of imposed load as given in Table 8.
7.3.2 For calculating the design seismic forces of the structure, the imposed load on roof need not be
considered.
7.3.3 The percentage of imposed loads given in 7.3.1 and 7.3.2 shall also be used for ‘Whole frame
loaded’ condition in the load combinations specified in 6.3.1.1 and 6.3.1.2 where the gravity loads are
combined with the earthquake loads [ that is, in load combinations (3) in 6.3.1.1, and (2) in 6.3.1.2
]. No further reduction in the imposed load will be used as envisaged in IS 875( Part 2 ) for number of
storeys above the one under consideration or for large spans of beams or floors.
7.3.4 The proportions of imposed load indicated above for calculating the lateral design forces for
earthquakes are applicable to average conditions. Where the probable loads at the time of earthquake
are more accurately assessed, the designer may alter the proportions indicated or even replace the
entire imposed load proportions by the actual assessed load. In such cases, where the imposed load is
not assessed as per 7.3.1 and 7.3.2 only that part of imposed load, which possesses mass, shall be
considered. Lateral design force for earthquakes shall not be calculated on contribution of impact
effects from imposed loads.
7.3.5 Other loads apart from those given above ( for example snow and permanent equipment ) shall
be considered as appropriate.
6.3.1.1 Load factors for plastic design of steel structures
In the plastic design of steel structures, the following load combinations shall be accounted for:
1) 1.7( DL.+IL )
2) 1.7( DL+/EL)
3) 1.3( DL+IL+/EL)
6.3.1.2 Partial safety factors for limit state design of reinforced concrete and prestressed concrete
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structures
In the limit state design of reinforced and prestressed concrete structures, the following load
combinations shall be accounted for:
1) 1.5( DL+IL)
2) 1.2( DL+IL+/EL)
3) 1.5( DL+/EL)
4) 0.9DL+/ 1.5EL
Hope this will help you.
Regards,
Mahantesh Nagannavar
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sakumar79 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject:
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Dear Er. Mahantesh,
If I understood you correctly, you are suggesting that Seismic Weight (W) calculation for the load
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combinations 0.9DL+1.5EL and 1.5(DL+EL) can be done without live load values. This is wrong.
The clause 7.3.3 as noted by you should be interpreted as follows: for the load combinations 1.2
(DL+LL+EL), we can use LL corresponding to the factored portion used in seismic weight calculation
(25 or 50% of Live load excluding roof live load) instead of full live load.
If I have misunderstood your statement, I apologize...
Yours sincerely
Arunkumar
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mahantesh_83 Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject:
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Dear Arunkumar,
We will not take full live load for earthquake load calculation.
As per code 25% for live load upto 3.0 kN/sq.m & 50% for live load more than 3.0 kN/sq.m.
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Posts: 11
Location: Mumbai, India
Please refer clauses 7.3.1 & 7.3.4.
Regards,
Mahantesh Nagannavar
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Jeet_mbm Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:57 am Post subject: Earthqauke load combination query
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Dear All
From my understanding "Theortically" for Load combination 0.9DL+1.5EQ and 1.5 DL+1.5 EQ
the value of Earthquake should be different from value to be used in combination of 1.2
(DL+LL+EQ').
In simple words
1. For Combination of 0.9DL+1.5EQ and 1.5DL+1.5EQ Seismic weight should be calculated based
on DL only (including superdead load).
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Location: Delhi NCR 2. For combination of 1.2(DL+reduced live+EQ) Seismic weight should be for DL+ percentage of
LL ( as per value of LL; IS 1893)
BUT!
Practically for building structure effort verses economy is not much. Because general software
doesn't have option to define different mass source for different load case in same model As a
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result general tread is to use same seismic weight of (DL+ % of LL) for all load combination which I
think will be conservative !
Senior can correct me if I am wrong.
With Regards
Jitendra Sharma
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riteshaggarwal Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject:
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Dear All,
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Since earthquake force shall be calculated for the full dead load plus the percentage of imposed load
Posts: 2 as per code.
suppose we are taking 50% of live load for earthquake force,then should we also do the same during
load combinations..
1.2 DL+0.6 LL+1.2 EQ
Regards,
Ritesh Aggarwal
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shariffmn Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:52 am Post subject:
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I agree with Er. Jitendra Sharma. Different load combinations require different sesmic weights.
However, for simplicity, the worst seismic weight is considered and applied for all load combinations.
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Posts: 89
Regards,
Shariff M N
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