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Caterpillar 140H transmission problem

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Having a problem with a 140H grader. I am sure its a simple fault but I cannot access
SIS right now to give me an idea of pressures etc. Its a basic 5HM machine with
mechanical pump on 3306. I have run ET and it shows only VHP solenoid as being high
current. The machine will select all gears when the wheels are raised in the air
(suggesting signal to solenoids is ok) but if you put it back on the ground it will only
drive in gears 5678 forward and 456 reverse. In these gears it has plenty of drive and in
syncropete the non working gears the machine will move very slightly. The oil looks clean. I am not
Member
sure how the transmission is configured internally but I am almost certain that
Joined: Apr 20, 2010 somebody will be able to tell by the gears that are working. The valve block has been
Messages: 6 dismantled before from what I can tell. Any help would be much appreciated as here in
Location: Gambia
Sierra leone I am pretty much alone and being a VOLVO trained fitter is not helping right
now. Thanks in advance.

Pete

syncropete,
Jan 9, 2013 #1

syncropete did you get your answer to any of your questions? if not i can look in my
book when i get to my office monday. i think there may be a common solenoid or clutch
that can cause your problem. the M series transmissions engage 3 clutch packs at a
time to give the different speeds and directions. if you loose pressure on just 1 of the 3
clutches the machine will not pull when under aload but will still turn the wheels in the
air. you may have a bad solenoid, bad clutch or a stuck valve. let me know if you need
kbeen more info.
Well-Known Member
kbeen,
Jan 13, 2013 #2
Joined: Jul 22, 2012
Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

syncropete i did look in my book and the #7 clutch and the H- solenoid are in common
with your problem. if you loose the H solenoid or #7 clutch pack you would have the
symptons you are having. you could have the valve spool for the H solenoid stuck. if
possible you need to check the pressure on the H solenoid. good luck.
 kbeen,
Jan 15, 2013 #3

kbeen
Well-Known Member

Joined: Jul 22, 2012

Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

before you go too far in troublshooting, remove the side covers and clean ALL the trans
electrical harness plugs/connecters for the solenoids

rare ss,
Jan 18, 2013 #4
rare ss
Senior Member

Joined: Apr 1, 2011

Messages: 460
Location: Western Australia

I have a similar problem, I'm trying to repair a 140H CCA, and there's no voltage in the
coil number 8. So the machine only works on 1,2,3,4 forward, and 1,2,3 reverse. I was
revised all the wiring from ecm, and there's no voltage on the line of 8 coil. Any
suggestions??

Tnks in advanced.

David.
droucom
droucom,
Mar 25, 2013 #5
Member

Joined: Feb 2, 2009

Messages: 15
Location: Spain

Hello droucom, how are you checking for voltage at the solenoid wires ? are you un-
plugging it and then testing for voltage. if so you cannot do that as when it is un-
plugged the voltage will go away but you might see a 5 volt reference voltage coming
through the wires. this is a floating voltage that the ecm sends down the wires so you
can tell the wiring is good if you see the 5 volts. you have to check for system voltage
with it plugged into the solenoid.
kbeen
kbeen,
Mar 25, 2013 #6
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jul 22, 2012
Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

Hello, thank you for answering, I'm checking with connectors plugged. I was inspected
continuty of the wire from ecm connector to coil connector, and it was good.

I think the problem is at ecm, but I has never used ET, and I haven't the adapter to use it.

droucom,
Mar 25, 2013 #7
droucom
Member

Joined: Feb 2, 2009

Messages: 15
Location: Spain

I had the opposite problem with my 163H. It would only go through gears 1-3, but it
wouldn't go into 4-8. Cat came out and had to change out a solenoid on the
transmission.

D&GExcavating,
Mar 25, 2013 #8
D&GExcavating
Senior Member

Joined: Sep 2, 2010

Messages: 341
Location: Minnesota

droucom they had quite a few problems with the gear shift control in the cab. it may be
possible that the shift control is not telling the ecm that you are wanting voltage to the
#8 coil. do you happen to have another machine there ? if so try swapping the gear shift
control, and you could even swap the ecm if want to check it.

kbeen,
Mar 27, 2013 #9
kbeen
Well-Known Member

Joined: Jul 22, 2012

Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

Good day. I have a problem on my 140h spool or port 8 is not giving me pressure. What
could be the problem. Please help

 Regards

Rafik

Rafik79,
Jun 21, 2014 #10

Rafik79
Member

Joined: Jun 21, 2014

Messages: 24
Location: Malawi

Hello. I have a problem on my 140 h the H spool

Or port not giving me any pressure.what could be the

Problem. Please help

Regards

Rafik

Mail me master.construction1@gmail.com
Rafik79
Rafik79,
Jun 21, 2014 #11
Member

Joined: Jun 21, 2014

Messages: 24
Location: Malawi

First you would see if you are getting voltage to the solenoid for that H spool. you will
have to test the wires with them plugged into the solenoid. if you un-plug them from
solenoid to test them the ECM will not send any voltage down the wire. If you are
getting voltage then you may try swapping that solenoid with another one. if still no
pressure the spool in the valve could be stuck. see what you find out up to this point.
good luck.
kbeen
kbeen,
Jun 21, 2014 #12
Well-Known Member

Joined: Jul 22, 2012

Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

Thanks a lot kbeen will try and let u know

Regards

Rafik79,
Jun 21, 2014 #13
Rafik79
Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2014
Messages: 24
Location: Malawi

Good day kbeen I'm now getting pressure

On all the ports and tried the grader yesterday

It worked perfectly with all gears working

But today when we tried again gears 5 6 7 8 are

Not working. What could that be.

Once again thanks a lot for your advice

Rafik79 Regards

Member
Rafik
Joined: Jun 21, 2014
Rafik79,
Jun 25, 2014 #14
Messages: 24
Location: Malawi

We've had the same problem with our 143H over the course of 12 years. Both times it
was the shifter in the cab needed to be replaced. Hope this helps.

Jfarris,
Jun 26, 2014 #15
Jfarris
Well-Known Member

Joined: Nov 2, 2010

Messages: 96
Location:
California-Colorado

Did exactly that on a 140H today, turned out to be #4 coil burnt out, which had cooked
the ECM. Et detected short to ground when connected to a serviceable coil. Swapped
coils and ECM from similar machine, worked. New coil and ECM ordered.

simonsrplant,
Jun 26, 2014 #16
simonsrplant
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 10, 2014

Messages: 518
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Location: Alberta CANADA
 Hello Rafik79 I believe gears 5 6 7 8 all use a common clutch pack which if it was not
engaging it would cause what you have. I can look in my book when back in office , let
me know if you want me to.

kbeen,
Jun 29, 2014 #17
kbeen
Well-Known Member

Joined: Jul 22, 2012

Messages: 125
Location: oklahoma

simonsrplant said:
↑
Did exactly that on a 140H today, turned out to be #4 coil burnt out, which had cooked the
ECM. Et detected short to ground when connected to a serviceable coil. Swapped coils and
ECM from similar machine, worked. New coil and ECM ordered.

Cmark This is a fairly common thing. Usually the Cat ECMs are fairly bulletproof with regards
Senior Member to open and short circuits but the designers seem to have missed a trick on these. I've

Joined: Jan 2, 2009 probably had to replace maybe 20 ECMs in my life but I would guess around half of
Messages: 2,769 these were on H series graders for exactly this fault.

Location: Australia

If I get a tranny coil go down, I'll usually replace them all at the same time. They're only
around 20 bucks apiece and cheap insurance at that.

It also pays to check the harness for rubbing where it goes through the hitch.

Also be aware that once you flash the new ECM, if your machine has autoshift and VHP
you'll need factory passwords to enable these features.

Cmark,
Jun 29, 2014 #18

Cmark said:
↑
If I get a tranny coil go down, I'll usually replace them all at the same time. They're only around
20 bucks apiece and cheap insurance at that.

Cmark,

Queenslander Do these coils usually present with any symptoms before throwing the towel in?

Senior Member
Our CCA sometimes fails to pick up, say, 2F after shifting from 2R.

Joined: Apr 5, 2009 Shifting back to reverse and trying again usually solves the problem.

Messages: 1,080 It also hesitates slightly when shifting from 4th to 5th, but this might be normal.

Location: Australia
Cheers, Greg
 Queenslander,
Jul 27, 2014 #19

Good day. I'm getting very low pressure on

Transmission supply pressure tap on my 140 h

Grader. Recommended pressure is 479 psi

But I'm only getting 60 psi. What could be

The problem. Please help

Rafik79,
Sep 24, 2014 #20
Rafik79
Member

Joined: Jun 21, 2014

Messages: 24
Location: Malawi

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