191SSD632018 - 714846 - Trial - 22102018 Beukes and Louwrens Trial Transcripts 1

1 IN L EID IN G
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S AAKN OMMER : SSD 63 /2 0 1 8
D ATU M : 2 2 OKTOBER 2 01 8
D IE STAAT TEEN : M BEU KES & Z L OU R EN S
5A AN KL AER : So o s di e ho f b e ha a g . Va n da g i s 22 Okto b e r
2 0 18 . D ie vo o rsi tte n d e be a mp te is F Mou to n . D ie
sta a tsa a n kl a e r i s me ne e r Da mon . D i e be sku l di g de s wo rd
ve rte e nw o o rdi g de u r men e e r Ha n co ck e n oo k g eb ru i k ge ma a k
va n ŉ to l k ni e . Ag b a re , di e sta a t i s d a n g e ree d o m di e kl a g te
10a a n di e b e skul d ig d e (si c) te stel .
H OF : Hi e r was ŉ moo n tl i kh e i d van ŉ ru i li n g va n
re g sve rtee n w oo rd ig e rs va n o gg e n d .
MN R H AN C OC K : Di t ga a n n ie me e r g e be u r ni e , a g ba re .
B e skul d i gd e 2 se p a h e t a an g e du i h y g a an n ie vi r men e e r
15Mo ffa t a an ste l n i e .
H OF : Hy ga a n n ie , so u ve rskyn vi r be i d e . Is d i t re g ?
MN R H ANC OC K : D i t is ko rre k op hi e rd ie sta d iu m. D i s ko rre k,
a g ba re .
H OF : Re g so , no mme r 1? Jul l e staa n re g . No mme r 2 , re g so?
20Go e d . Men e e r H an co ck vi r b e id e . D an ki e .
A AN KL AER : So o s d ie ho f be h a ag .
H OF : Wa t i s d i e aa n kl ag ? Moo rd ?
A AN KL AER : Mo o rd .
H OF : He t u a fsta n d ge d o en van asse sso re?
25MN R H AN C OC K : Ek b e ve sti g so , ag b a re .
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H OF : Ja?
H OF : Is d i t 51 (1 )?
A AN KL AER : Ja , ag b a re .
5H OF : Di s l e we n sla n k. Mo on tl i ke l ew e n sl a n k.
A AN KL AER : Ek be ve sti g , a g ba re .
A AN K LA ER STEL AA N K LA GTE AA N B ESK U LD IGD ES
H OF : Ve rstaa n j u ll e a l tw e e di e a a n kl a g ?
B ESKU LD IGD E 1 : Ja .
10H OF : No mme r 2 ?
B ESKU LD IGD E 2 : Ja , e de l a gb a re .
H OF : Ko m o n s be g in so mme r no u da d el i k da t o n s di è stu kkie
u i tkla a r. Jy kn i k n ie jo u ko p n ie . Jy flu i ste r n i e . Jy p ra a t ha rd
e n d ui d el i k i n d ie mi kro fo o n , w a n t d i s ŉ ta pe wa t mo e t op n e e m.
15V e rsta a n j y di t, n o mme r 1?
H OF : Ve rstaa n j y d i t, no mme r 2 ?
H OF : Go ed . N o mme r 1 , w a t p l ei t j y op di e a an kl a g?
20B ESKU LD IGD E 1 : Skul d ig , e de l ag b a re .
H OF : Skul d ig . N o mme r 2?
B ESKU LD IGD E 2 : On skul d ig .
H OF : No mme r 1 sku l di g ; no mme r 2 on sku ld i g . Wil u hê ek
mo e t g o u ve rda a g d a t u ...?
25MN R H AN C OC K : As u ka n , a g ba re , wa n t di t is no u n ie wa t
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(o n du i de l i k. Ste m ste rf we g ).
H OF : Di e h o f ve rd aa g .
H OF VERD A A G (om 1 4 :30 )
H OF H ER VA T (om 1 4 :35 )
5H OF : Ja? Is on s w e e r op ba n d ? Me ne e r Ha n co ck, u h e t n o u
g e p ra a t me t u kl ië n te .
MN R H ANC OC K : D i s ko rre k, a gb a re . H y sê h y he t ŉ fou t
b e ga a n . Di s ŉ o n skul d ig e p l ei t, a g ba re .
H OF : No mme r 1 (si c), is di t reg ?
10B ESKU LD IGD E 1 : Ja , e de l a gb a re .
H OF : Men e e r H an co ck?
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g , a g ba re . Ek be ve sti g
my ve rskyn i ng na me n s di e tw e e b e skul d ig d e s, ag b a re . Ek
b e ve stig oo k h u ll e p l ei t van on sku ld i g i s i n oo re e n ste mmi n g
15me t my i nstru ksi e s, ag b a re . On s he t – e k h e t 2 2 0 e rke n n in g s
vo o rbe re i wat d ie li gg a a m b e tre f, ag b a re . Ek kan di e
o o rsp ro n kli ke s ne t op h an d i g vi r di e ho f. Ek sa l di t d a n n e t i n
d ie re ko rd i nl e e s. Di e sta a t he t d ie po stmo rte mve rsla g ,
a g ba re .
20H OF : Ge e di t to g a an a s u di t i nd i en .
MN R H AN C OC K : As e k b y b e skul d ig d e 1 , me n e e r Beu ke s, kan
b e gi n , ag b a re ?
H OF : Ja .
MN R H AN C OC K :
25" Fo rmel e e rke nn i n g s ge ma a k d e u r di e b e skul d ig d e 1 i n te rme
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va n Arti ke l 22 va n We t 5 1 /1 97 7 . Ek, di e o nd e rg e te ken d e ,
Ma l co l m Be u ke s, ve rkl aa r hi e rmee ek is be sku ld i g de 1 in d i e
sa a k."
H OF : So h y' s BEWYSSTU K A en B, n è ? B as syn d e d ie
5p o stmo rte m.
MN R H AN C OC K : Di t is ko rre k, ag b a re .
H OF : En da n kru i sve rw ys u by C en D .
MN R H ANC OC K : Ja . Ek he t ni e in hi e rdi e ŉ n o mme r vi r di e
p o stmo rte m g e ge e n i e , a gb a re .
10H OF : Ne t B?
MN R H AN C OC K : Ja .
H OF : Go ed .
MN R H AN C OC K :
" Ek erke n di e vol g en d e fe i te vryw il l i gl i k en so nd e r en i g e
15 b e ïn vlo e di n g en ste m d aa rto e da t hu ll e as fo rme l e
e rke nn i ng s kan ge n o tul e e r w o rd in te rme va n Arti ke l 2 20
va n di e Stra fp ro se sw e t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Me t be tre kki ng to t d i e
a a n kl a g va n moo rd e rke n e k d a t d ie id e n ti tei t va n di e
o o rl e d en e i n d ie sa a k, Joh a n ne s Ma h oo n Wil d sch u t, ŉ
20 vo lw a sse ma n i s. Ek erke n da t d ie l ig g a a mske tti n g w a t
d ie o o rl e d en e se lyk b e tre f in o rde i s va n a f w aa r sy
l ig g a a m by D ej a vu straa t in Xol a Na l ed i , Gra b o uw ,
ve rvo e r i s op 6 Aug u stu s 20 1 7 en to t en me t di e
l ykskou i n g w a t o p d i e l ig g a a m la te r ui tg e vo e r i s. Ek
25 e rke n da t d ie li gg a a m g ee n ve rd e re wo n d e o f b e se ri n g s
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o p ge d o en h e t tyd en s h ie rd i e p e rio d e ni e . Ek erke n oo k
d a t ŉ l ykskou i n g i n de rd a ad o p di e li gg a a m va n d ie
o o rl e d en e de u r D r L ou i se Ma rie Cl ai re o p 7 Au g u stu s
2 0 17 ui tg e voe r is en da t di e p o stmo rte mve rsl a g a an al
5 d ie vo o rve re i ste s van Arti ke l 2 1 2 (4 ) va n di e
Stra fp ro se swe t 5 1 /19 7 7 vo ld o e n . Ek e rke n du s d a t di e
i nh o u d va n di e l yksko ui n g sve rsl a g ge me rk
D C0 3 /0 2 40 /2 0 1 7 wa a r en ko rre k i s en d a t di t o p di e
l ig g a a m va n di e oo rl ed e n e va n to ep a ssi ng i s, w a t hi e rb y
10 a a ng e h eg is as ŉ be w ysstu k. Ek e rken da t di e o o rsaa k
va n di e do o d va n di e oo rl ed e n e sto mp g e we l d tee n di e
ko p w a s."
Dis da n va n d ag ge te ke n d eu r be i de myse l f en
b e skul d ig d e , ag b a re . Wa t be sku l di g d e 2 be tre f:
15 " Fo rmel e e rke n n in g s ge ma a k de u r be sku l di g de 2 in te rme
va n Arti ke l 22 0 va n We t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Ek, die
o n de rg e te ken d e , Zu yn Lo u ren s, ve rkla a r h i e rme e e k i s
b e skul d ig d e 2 i n hi e rd i e sa a k e n e k ve rsta an d ie kl ag te
te e n my. Ek erke n d ie vo l g en d e fe i te vryw il l ig l i k e n
20 so n de r en i ge be ïn vl oe d i ng en ste m da a rto e d a t h u ll e a s
fo rme l e e rke nn i n g s g e no tu l e e r w o rd i n te rme va n Arti ke l
2 2 0 va n di e Stra fp ro se sw e t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Me t be tre kki ng to t
d ie a a n kl a g va n moo rd e rke n e k da t d ie i de n ti te i t va n d i e
o o rl e d en e i n d ie sa a k, Joh a n ne s Ma h oo n Wil d sch u t, ŉ
25 vo lw a sse ma n i s. Ek erke n da t d ie l ig g a a mske tti n g w a t
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d ie o o rl e d en e se lyk b e tre f in o rde i s va n a f w aa r sy
l ig g a a m by D ej a vu straa t in Xol a Na l ed i , Gra b o uw ,
ve rvo e r i s op 6 Aug u stu s 20 1 7 en to t en me t di e
l ykskou i n g w a t o p d i e l ig g a a m la te r ui tg e vo e r i s. Ek
5 e rke n da t d ie li gg a a m g ee n ve rd e re wo n d e o f b e se ri n g s
o p ge d o en h e t tyd en s h ie rd i e p e rio d e ni e . Ek erke n oo k
d a t ŉ l ykskou i n g i n de rd a ad o p di e li gg a a m va n d ie
o o rl e d en e de u r D r L ou i se Ma rie Cl ai re o p 7 Au g u stu s
2 0 17 ui tg e voe r is en da t di e p o stmo rte mve rsl a g a an al
10 d ie vo o rve re i ste s van Arti ke l 2 1 2 (4 ) va n di e
Stra fp ro se swe t 5 1 /19 7 7 vo ld o e n . Ek e rke n du s d a t di e
i nh o u d va n di e l yksko ui n g sve rsl a g ge me rk
D C0 3 /0 2 40 /2 0 1 7 wa a r en ko rre k i s en d a t di t o p di e
l ig g a a m va n di e oo rl ed e n e va n to ep a ssi ng i s, w a t hi e rb y
15 a a ng e h eg is as ŉ be w ysstu k. Ek e rken da t di e o o rsaa k
va n di e do o d va n di e oo rl ed e n e sto mp g e we l d tee n di e
ko p w a s."
Ag b a re , wat d ie min i mu m stra f be tre f, ek he t vi r
b e skul d ig d e 1 i ng e l ig va n d i e l e we n sla n g e mi n i mu m stra f,
20a g ba re . Be skul d ig d e 2 w a s 1 7 to e d i t g eb e u r h e t, so di e
mi ni mu m stra f i s ni e va n to e pa ssi n g o p ho m n ie , a g ba re . So o s
d ie ho f be h a ag .
H OF : Ne t ŉ oo mb li k? Ek w ee t no g n i e wa t j ou ve rw ee r is ni e .
MN R H AN C OC K : Agb a re , o p h ie rd i e sta di u m ga a n hu l le , h ul l e
25sw yg -re g ui to e fe n .
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H OF : Di e b e sku l d ig d e s ka n si t. Ee rste g e tui e ?
A AN KL AER : So o s d ie ho f be h a ag . D ie sta a t ro ep – go u
se ke rmaa k, ag b a re – vi r Ma de l ei n Ba sso n .
H OF : In w a tte r ta a l w il u ge tu i g?
5ME BASSON : Afri kaa n s.
MA D ELEIN B A SSON (v.o .e .)
H OF : Ho e o u d i s u? --- 25 .
2 5 . Is d i t ju ffro u ? --- U h m .
Ja o f ne e sê ŉ me n s, n è ? --- Ja .
10 H a rd en du i de l i k. Goe d . D an ki e , me n ee r.
ON D ER VR A GIN G D EUR A AN K LA ER : Me vro u Ba sso n – di s
me ju ffro u Ba sso n , nè ?
H OF : Sy sê so , ja .
15A AN KL AER : So o s di e ho f b e ha a g . Mej u ffro u Ba sso n , n o u o p
d ie – e k d i n k d i t w as d ie Sa te rd ag o g ge n d , 5 Au g u stu s 20 1 7 ,
nè? To e wa a r wa s u ge w ee s? --- On s w a s op di e ya rd
g ew e e s i n Kwa l a le n i .
U sal n e t ŉ b ie tj i e h a rde r mo e t p ra a t, nè ? --- On s w a s
20o p d ie ya rd ge w ee s in Kw al a l en i .
Wi e i s o n s ? --- Ek e n D ua n e e n Le n a e n D on i qu e .
H OF : Ne e , w ag ŉ b i e tji e ? Ju l le i s in di e ya rd in Kwa l al e n i .
Wi e se ya rd i s d i t? --- Ma zu ka is di e ya rd se n aa m.
Ma zu ka se ya rd . No u sê w e e r wi e ' s a l ma l d a a r? Jy e n
25w ie ? --- D i s D on i qu e .
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D o mi n i qu e ? --- Ja .
Is d i t ŉ vro u ? Ek ka n n i e h o o r ni e . --- D o ni q ue e n Le n a
e n D ua n e .
Is Do n i qu e ŉ vro u? --- Ja .
5 En L e na is ŉ vro u ? --- Ja .
En w ie no g ? --- En e k e n D ua n e .
En D u an e . Wi e i s D ua n e? --- Da a i e en .
U w ys n a w ie ?
A AN KL AER : H ie r' s be sku ld i gd e 1, di e b l ou , en da n
10b e skul d ig d e 2 i s d ie sw a rt. Wa tte r e e n i s di t? --- Be sku l di g d e
2.
H OF : En sy h e t n o u in hu l le ri g ti n g ge w ys. En b e sku l di g d e 2 .
K e n u h o m a s D ua n e ? --- Ja .
A AN KL AER : H oe ken u vi r ho m? --- H y i s my ou tj i e – ni e
15o u tji e ni e . My kin d e rs se p a se ma se kl e in ki nd se sti e fkin d .
H OF : Wa g ŉ bi e tj ie ? Be sku l di g d e 2 i s my ki nd e rs se pa ... ---
S e ma .
Se ma . --- Se kle i n ki n d .
Se kl ei n ki nd . --- Se sti e fki nd .
20 Se sti e fki n d . --- Ja .
Ja ?
A AN KL AER : Sj oe . Ja . H oe l an k ke n u n ou a l vi r ho m? ---
D i s ni e l a n k ni e . Se ke r tw ee ja a r.
Tw e e ja a r. Ja . En u sê u , D on i q ue , L e na e n di e
25b e skul d ig d e 2 , ju ll e i s n o u Ma zu ka se ya rd . --- Ma zu ka , ja .
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Ja ?
H OF : Wa t ma a k j ul l e d aa r? --- On s he t g ed ri n k.
Wa t? --- On s h e t e e rste – vo o r o n s soo n to e g e ga a n h e t,
h e t o n s e e rs ŉ bo tte l ru m en ŉ ki s en ŉ kra a n ge d ri n k.
5 ŉ Bo tte l ru m. ŉ Ki s wa t? --- ŉ Ki s Bl a ck L a be l .
D i s bi e r? --- Ja .
7 5 0 ml ? --- Ja .
H oe ve e l bo tte l s i s da a r i n ŉ ki s? --- 12 .
1 2 b o tte l s. En wa t no g ? --- En ŉ kra an Fo u rth Stre e t .
10 ŉ Kra an . ŉ Kra an wa t? --- Fou rth Stre e t .
D i s w yn ? --- Ja .
H oe ve e l w yn is di t? --- 5 li te r.
Ju ll e h e t al mal saa m ge d rin k? --- Ja .
H oe ve e l he t j y g ed ri n k? --- Ek h e t o o k g ed ri n k, ja .
15 H oe ve e l h e t j y ge d rin k? --- Ek ka n ni e sê h oe ve e l
g la si e s e k g e d ri n k h e t n i e maa r e k he t va n al l e s g ed ri n k.
Va n wa n ne e r a f he t j u ll e be g in d rin k? --- On s h e t d ie
a a nd se ke r so ni n e o ' cl o ck, ag u u r b eg i n .
Ag u u r, n eg e -u u r d ie vo ri ge aa n d b eg i n d rin k? --- D ie
20S a te rd ag a a nd , j a .
Sa te rd ag a a nd . D ie a a n kl a e r he t u no u ge l ei
S a te rd ag o g ge n d . No u , ka n ek n ou n e t hi e r du i d el i khe i d kry,
me n ee r D a mo n ? H o e w e rk di t n o u? Is d i t Vryd a g aa n d be g in
d rin k na Sa te rd a go g g en d toe o f ...? --- D ie ge va l ...
25 H uh ? --- So rry . Di e g e va l h e t So n d ag og g en d u re
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g e be u r.
D i t h e t So n da g og g en d u re ge b e u r? --- Ja .
So j ul l e h e t Sa te rd ag a a nd be g in d ri n k a g uu r to t n e ge -
u u r? --- Ja .
5 En d i e voo rva l w a s di e So n da g o gg e n d . --- Ja .
N ou wa t wa s di e 5 de , d ie Sa te rd a g o f d i e Son d a g?
A AN KL AER : 5 Au g u stu s w as ŉ Sa te rd a g .
H OF : 5 Aug u stu s wa s ŉ Sa te rda g , so di t i s d ie Sa te rd a ga a n d
w a t ju l le b eg i n he t, di e 5d e , e n d i t o o rg e lo o p na d ie 6 de , di e
10o g ge n d . Da n kie . U ka n vo o rtg aa n .
A AN KL AER : Ja , o ka y . On s is n ou ve rb y di e dri n ke ry. Wa t he t
n o u p l aa sg e vi n d ? Wa t vi n d no u pl a a s? Ko m ju ll e no u van d ie
ya rd a f o f i s ju l le op pa d n a d ie ya rd to e ? Wa a rn a toe ? --- E k
e n – o n s wa s no u – w a t o n s kl a a r d a a rva n d aa n , to e he t ek e n
15Jo le n e mo s n o u ge l o op .
U en Jo le n e lo o p . --- Ja . On s he t vi r D on i qu e en vi r
D ua n e a g te rge l o s.
Ag te rg el o s. As j y n o u sê a g te rge l o s , h e t ju ll e g e lo s op
d ie ya rd ? --- Ja .
20 Of sta p j u ll e no g saa m o f w a t? --- On s he t vi r h ul l e o p
d ie ya rd ge l o s.
Op di e ya rd ge l o s. Ja . En to e ? --- To e o n s so b y
S a n ni e se ka n t ko m ...
N ou wa a rna to e is ju ll e n o u o p pa d ? --- Op pa d h ui s to e .
25 Op pa d h ui s to e . U en u sê wi e? --- Ek e n Jol e n e .
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U e n Jo le n e . En u ko m b y Sa nn i e se ka n t. Ja ? --- En
to e h o o r o n s ne t D on i qu e skre e .
Va n w aa r a f? --- Van om di e d raa i a f.
Va n o m d ie dra a i . Is d i t n o u ...(tu sse n b e id e )
5H OF : Do mi ni q u e? --- Do ni q u e , j a .
A AN KL AER : D on i q ue . Is d i t n ou va n vo o r j ul l e o f va n a g te r
j ul l e o f va n w a a r ko m di e g e lu i d ? --- Van ag te r on s.
Va n a g te r a f. U h oo r Do n iq u e skre e . En to e? --- Toe
d ra ai on s o m, maa r toe kry e k vi r h aa r – to e kry e k – ek he t
10o mg ed ra ai .
Ja ? --- Ek he t ŉ rug sa k a g te r my ru g ge h ad n og me t va n
d ie bi e r i n .
Oka y . --- Me t e e n bi e r i n e in tl i k.
U sê u d ra a i om. En to e wa t ma a k u to e ? --- To e kry ek
15vi r D on i q ue so na b y d i e slo o tj ie se kan t.
Is di t n ou in ŉ w oo n g eb i e d? --- Ja .
Oka y . Te e rp aa i e e n go e d so o s d i t? --- Uh .
U sê ŉ sl oo tj i e . Is d i t no u o p di e syp a ad j i e o f w a t? ---
On d e r. Di t ga a n o nd e rd eu r di e te e rp ad , d ie sl o o tji e , ja .
20 D ie sl o o tj ie ga a n on d e rde u r di e te e rpa d ? --- U h .
U kry vi r h aa r n ou i n da a rdi e sl o o tj ie ? --- N i e i n di e
sl oo tj i e n ie ; b y d i e slo o tj i e in di e p ad .
By di e sl oo tj i e? --- Ja .
Oka y . Wa t – l ê sê da a r? Staa n sy da a r? --- Sy he t
25g e sta an , to e i s N eu si e e n Ro u mp ie – sta an Ro u mpi e e n N eu si e
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b y h a a r.
H OF : Wa g ŉ bi e tj ie ? Al h ie rd i e n a me . Sy sta a n da a r en w ie
sta a n no g da a r? --- R ou mp ie e n Ne u si e . Ek ke n n i e h u ll e
re g te n a me ni e .
5 R o mp i e e n N eu si e? --- Uh m .
A AN KL AER : R ou mp i e en Ne u sie sta an by ha a r, nè ? --- U h m .
Is di t n ou vro u e n s; ma n s? Wa t? --- Tw ee man n e .
Tw e e ma n s. Oka y . En u ko m n ou by ha a r. En w a t
g e be u r to e ? --- En D o ni q ue he t ge sê toe he t hu l le tw ee – wa t
10sy sê vi r my ...(tu sse n b e i de )
H OF : Ga an u vi r Do n iq u e n og roe p ?
A AN KL AER : Ja , ag b a re . --- Sy sê toe ...
H OF : U vra da t d i t vo o rl o pi g toe g e la a t wo rd ?
A AN KL AER : Ek be ve sti g , a g ba re .
15H OF : Be sw a a r, me n ee r?
MN R H AN C OC K : Ge en be sw aa r.
H OF : Voo rl op i g to e g el a a t. D on i qu e sê – wa t sê h y?
A AN KL AER : Ja . Ja , ga a n voo rt. --- Ja . En toe h e t sy mo s
n o u – to e sê sy h ul l e h e t vi r ha a r ge sl aa n . Ma a r to e ka p
20N eu si e ...
H OF : Wie he t ha a r ge sla a n ? --- R ou mp ie en Ne u si e .
A AN KL AER : Ja . En toe ? --- Toe vra e k e e rs vi r h ul l e wa t
ma a k – h oe ko m ma a k h u ll e d a n so , to e ka p N eu si e vi r h aa r
me t ŉ di ng te en ha a r ko p .
25H OF : Ne t ŉ oo mb li k? Ne t ŉ oo mb li k? Ne u si e – is Ne u si e
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va n da g h i e r? --- Ja .
Wi e is N eu si e ? --- Hu l le sê vi r h o m Bo l l e . Hy i s
h ie rb u i te .
Is h y h ie rb ui te ? --- Uh m .
5 So Ne u sie d o en to e wa t? H y ka p vi r h a a r. --- Vir
D on i q ue me t ŉ di n g . Ek w ee t n ie wa t di t wa s n i e . Me t ŉ di n g .
E n to e va l sy. To e g o oi e k di e rug sa k ag te r h o m aa n en
R ou mp i e ha rd l oo p b y di e slo o tj i e o m – a g te r b y d ie hu i se o m.
Sto p ? Stop ? Go oi d ie ru g sa k a g te r ho m – di s no u
10N eu si e – a a n? --- Ja .
En w a t d o en Ro u mpi e ? --- R ou mp i e he t g eh a rdl o o p b y
d ie sl o o tj ie a f a g te r d ie hu i se o m.
U h m-hm ?
A AN KL AER : Ja . En to e ? --- En e k h e t d i e sa k wa t e k a g te r
15my ru g g e ha d he t, to e h e t e k d i e sa k a g te r Ne u si e aa n g e go o i
e n e en e mp ty ui tg e ha a l , ŉ l eë e mp ty wa t no g o o r w a s, w an t d ie
a n de rs wa s g e b re e k b i nn e -i n – in di e sa k.
H OF : Uh m-h m .
A AN KL AER : Ja . En toe ? --- Toe ko m Du a ne , toe h a rdl o op e k
20e n D ua n e a g te r h o m aa n .
D i s no u be skul d i gd e 2 ? --- Ja .
U en b e sku l di g d e 2 h a rd l o op a g te r wi e? --- Ag te r N e u si e
aan.
H a rd l o op a g te r Ne u si e a an . N eu si e is n ou d ie e e n w a t
25vi r ... --- Do ni q u e g e ka p h e t.
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D on i q ue g e ka p h e t me t ie ts. Wa a r ja a g ju ll e h o m? ---
D aa r – on s he t mo s van da a rva n a f n e t o m di e d raa i mo s n o u .
On s h a rd l o op a l a g te r ho m a an w ee r te ru g va n d aa r w aa r o n s
va n da a n g e ko m he t maa r no g n ie b y ...
5 Te ru g n a d ie ya rd se ka n t to e o f wa t? --- Ne e , di s n o g
ve r va n d ie ya rd se ka n t a f.
N a d ie ri g ti ng wa t ju l le in g e lo o p h e t? --- Ja .
Ju ll e j a ag no u vi r N eu si e i n da a rd ie ri g ti n g . --- Ja .
U en b e sku l di g d e 2 . Ja . En toe ? --- Ma a r e k h e t g e si e n
10d a a r sta an ie ma nd so ve r van on s a f, ma a r h y h e t n o u – to e
h e t h y we gg e ko m, toe d ra a i o n s o m. Toe sê e k vi r be sku l di g d e
2 o n s mo e t o md raa i .
Sê u n o u d a t N eu si e h e t n o u we g g e ko m? --- Ja .
En to e sê u no u vi r b e skul d ig d e 2 j ul l e mo e t o md raa i ? ---
15Ja .
Omd ra a i o m wa a rn a toe te g aa n ? --- We e r te rug n a
D on i q ue to e .
Ja . En to e ? --- En e k h e t – to e he t e k mo s no u ge lo o p
so ŉ stu kki e en to e he t b e sku l d ig d e 2 te ru g ge d ra ai e n d i e
20b o tte l b y my ge va t. En – ma a r e k ...
Wa a r he t hy d ie b o tte l ge kry? --- Ek he t di e bo tte l
g e ha d .
U h e t d i e bo tte l ge h a d? --- Ja .
Wa s di t no u ŉ l eë bo tte l ge we e s? --- Ja .
25 H oe ko m he t u di e b o tte l b y u g e ha d ? --- Ek he t mo s di e
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sa k a g te r N eu si e a an ge g o oi .
Ja ? --- Ma a r to e h aa l e k mo s ŉ l e ë e mp ty u i t.
H oe ko m? --- Va n d ie bo tte l s wa t ge b ree k is. Ek wi l h o m
g e sl a a n h e t d aa rme e .
5 Oka y . D i s no u vi r Ne u si e ? --- Oo r hy vi r Do n iq u e mo s
n o u ge ka p h e t.
U sê e n b e sku l d ig d e 2 va t toe di e b o tte l b y u .
H OF : Di e le ë e mp ty . --- Ja . Ma a r no u sê e k lo s vi r hu ll e ,
ma n . Maa r ek lo o p al aa n o m te ga a n kyk w a t Do ni q u e – o f
10D on i q ue al ri gh t i s.
Ja ? --- Ma a r voo rd a t ek no g b y D o ni q ue ui tko m, to e
h o o r e k ne t ŉ ge sl a an e n ŉ ge sko p en tra p . En to e d raa i e k
o m, to e ga a n dra a i e k n ou w ee r te ru g . To e si e n e k di s
b e skul d ig d e 1 e n b e sku l di g d e 2 ...(tu sse n b e i de )
15H OF : Sto p? U sie n di s n o mme r 1 en no mme r 2 . Wa a r' s h ul l e
to e ? --- H ul l e i s to e b e si g o m ie man d te sla a n , ma a r e k h e t
n ie da a i mo men t g ew e e t w ie di t i s ni e .
A AN KL AER : Oka y . D aa r w aa r u no u sta a n , nè ...? U sê mo s
n o u u ' s no u o p p a d na Do n iq u e to e , nè ? --- Ja .
20 N ou sta p – be skul d i gd e 2 , sta p hy n og sa a m me t u o f
sta p h y ag te r u o f w a a r sta p h y? --- Ne e , h y he t ag te r mo s
n o u ge b l y.
Ag te r n o g g eb l y vi r N eu si e . --- Ja . Te rw yl h y d ie – to e
h e t h y mo s no u kl aa r di e b o tte l g e va t.
25 Ja . --- En to e ag te r my g eb l y. To e h e t e k mo s no u w ee r
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o m d i e – di s ŉ dra ai tj i e w aa r di t ge b e u r.
Ja . --- Om di e d ra a i ge g aa n . Ma a r vo o r e k b y Do n i qu e
u i tg e ko m he t, to e h o o r e k ŉ ge sl an e ry so op d i e d ra a i .
Ja . U sê to e d ra a i u te ru g? --- Ja , to e d ra ai e k we e r
5te ru g o m te ga a n kyk.
Ja . N ou , to e u n ou te rug d ra ai en u sê u si e n n ou vi r
b e skul d ig d e 1 e n u si en vi r be sku ld i g de 2 be si g , wa t w a s hu ll e
b e si g om te d oe n ? --- Om ie ma nd te sl aa n .
Ie ma n d te sl a an . To e u no u di t si en , ho e ve r ...? Wys
10n o u vi r on s hi e r i n di e h o f in , nè ? Wys n ou vi r on s hi e rso in
d ie ho f ho e ve r wa s d i e be sku l di g de s me t d iè ie ma nd wa t u no u
o p d aa rd i e sta di u m n o u n ie he rke n ni e va n u a f ge w ee s? Wys
n e t vi r o n s h ie r in di e h o f i n ho e ve r wa s h u ll e g ew e e s?
--- Ne e , e k he t to t b y hu l le ge l oo p .
15 U h e t to t b y h ul l e g el o o p? --- Ja , o m te kyk.
Ja ? --- En to e sê e k vi r h ul l e , hu l le mo e t op h o u d i e e e n
sl aa n , wa n t hy bl o ei al kl a a r. Toe sê e k lo s ho m, lo s ho m.
Oka y . Wa g g o u ne t d aa r? No u , u sê u kon si e n d i s
b e skul d ig d e 1 e n b e sku l di g d e 2 , n è ? --- Ja .
20 H oe kon u si e n d i s be sku l di g d e 1? --- Wan t e k w a s b y
h ul l e . So – ka n e k maa r go u u i tko m?
Ja , ma a r ... --- So b y.
By hu ll e . Sta a n n e t g o u da a r? Ma a r kyk, d is mo s no u
d o n ke r. H oe kon u si e n d a t d i t i s n o u ...? --- D aa r is ŉ
25l ig p a al .
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H OF : Ho e ve r va n h ul l e a f? --- Ek wa s b y, so ...
D ie li g pa a l .
A AN KL AER : Wa a r' s d ie li g pa a l ? --- Oh . Kan ma a r sê da a r b y
d ie ho e k. N ee , ŉ bi e tj ie ... By da a i h oe k en hi e rso .
5H OF : Ekskuu s? --- H ie r sta an ek en da a r b y d a ai ho e k i s d ie
l ig p a al ?
D aa rd i e ho e k? --- Ja .
So 6 , 7 me te r?
MN R H AN C OC K : 7 me te r, a g ba re .
10H OF : He t di e l ig ge b ra nd ? --- Ja .
Wa tse li g w a s di t? --- Di s so o s d ie stra a t se l ig te . Die
stra a tl i g te .
H e t d i t l i g ge ma a k to t da a r wa a r d ie twe e vi r d i e ee n
g e sl a a n he t? --- Ja . Wa n t d ie h ui s w a t ek b y ge w e e s h e t, h e t
15o o k ŉ bu i te l ig ge h ad .
Wa tse h ui s? --- D a a r – h y he t o p di e syp a a dj i e ge lê b y
d ie he i ni n g . Da a r w a a r di t ge b e u r h e t, by di e h ei n in g .
Wa s di e b ui te l ig aa n ? --- Ja .
En kon u to e si e n w i e' s d i t wa t h u ll e sla a n ? --- Di s
20b e skul d ig d e 1 e n 2 .
Ja , ma a r wi e i s di e pe rso o n wa t h ul l e sl a an ? --- Ek w e e t
n ie . Ek he t ni e da a i mo men t w ie d i t is ni e . Ma a r ag te rn a to e
d ie p ol i si e ko m, to e he t hy l ig g e ma a k, to e sie n e k ma a r di s
H an n e s.
25 So u b l y to e d a a r sta a n? --- Ja .
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Ma a r go e d . Ve rte l vi r o n s sta pp i e -vi r-sta p p ie ve rd e r? U
ko m n o u da a r. Jy si e n h ul l e sla a n .
A AN KL AER : To e wa t ma a k be sku l di g de 1 ? U sê mo s n ou u
si en hu l le is be si g om d ie pe rso on te sla a n . Wa t is
5b e skul d ig d e 1 b e si g om te d oe n ? --- Ge sko p e n tra p h ul l e al
tw e e vi r h o m.
Sko p e n tra p ? --- Ja . En to e he t h ul l e vi r ho m ...
Wa g , w ag ? On s ga a n no u mo o i da a rde u r. U sê
b e skul d ig d e 1 sko p e n tra p . --- U h m .
10 Ma a r e k si en u ge b rui k u ha n d e oo k. --- Ja , so mo s.
So h y sl a an oo k me t sy vu i s? --- Ja .
En wa t ma a k be sku ld i g de 2 ? --- Oo k vi r h o m so g e sla a n
e n g e trap . N e t so .
Ge sl a an en g e tra p ? --- Ja .
15 En g e skop ? --- U h m .
Ek ka n n i e ho o r ni e? --- Ja .
Ja . En h oe la n k g aa n di t toe aa n ? --- N ie la n k n ie , wa n t
to e h e t ek mo s vi r hu l le ge sê ...
Ma a r h oe is la n k? Is di t ŉ uu r? Is d i t ŉ h a l fuu r? Is d i t
20vyf mi n u te? H oe l an k? --- Se ke r – ka n ma a r sê vyf, 1 0
mi nu te .
Vyf, 1 0 mi nu te o f 1 5 min u te ? Ho e l an k? --- Ek ka n ni e
p re si e s sê ho e l an k ni e .
Ja . En toe ? --- Toe h e t hu l le vi r ho m g el o s. To e he t h y
25n o g – to e he t h y we e r reg o p ge ko m. To e si t e k a g te r h o m, to e
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h o u e k ho m va s, so .
U ga a n si t to e a g te r di e pe rso on ? --- Om vi r h o m te sê
h y mo e t ŉ b i e tji e ...(tu sse n b e i d e )
H OF : U w ys no u da t hy sy – he t u sy ge si g va sg eh o u – sy ko p
5va sg eh o u ? --- So va sg eh o u , j a , wa n t d ie b lo e d he t so ge l oo p
va n sy ko p a f.
GETU IE EMOSION EEL
H OF : Di e ge tu i e is e mo si o ne e l . --- Ma a r e k h e t h o m g e vra o f
h y a l ri g h t is en o f h y – to e sê h y j a . En h y p ra a t mo s, to e sê
10e k h y mo e t a an h o u p ra a t. To e skre e e k vi r d ie me n se d aa r
w aa r o n s ge si t he t by d ie h ui s. To e sê ek h ul l e mo e t d ie
a mb ul a n s b el . En ...
Va t ma a r u tyd . (On d ui d e li k ) . --- En h ul l e h e t te l an k
g e va t om d ie a mb ul a n s te b e l . Ma a r te rw yl e k no g so g e si t he t
15me t di e – me t ho m, en to e ko m be sku l di g d e 1 we e r te ru g e n
to e tra p hy in sy ge si g .
A AN KL AER : Is d i t n ou i n d i e p e rsoo n wa t u n ou va sho u ? Toe
tra p h y bi nn e -i n sy g e si g ? --- Ja .
Be skul d i gd e 1 , sê u . Ja . H y tra p ho m i n sy ge sig . En
20to e ? --- En to e l o op h y we e r. To e lê e k d i e ki n d – a g – ja , di e
kl on g mo s no u – to e l ê e k h o m w ee r sa g g ie s ne e r o m d ie
p h on e by di e h ui s te g aa n h a al .
Ja . --- En to e te rw yl ek so lo o p b y d ie de u r d a a r wa a r
o n s g e stop he t to e o n s ho o r di e g e ra a s b y d i e wi n kel , to e sê
25h y vi r my – to e sê e k, e k ga a n sê wi e h e t vi r ho m se e rge ma a k.
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To e sê hy ...(tu sse n b ei d e )
H OF : Maa r wi e ' s no u di e ma n wa t jy no u sê wa t so
se e rge ma a k i s? --- Is Ha nn e s mo s no u .
H an n e s. No u , h e t u ho m ge ke n ? --- H uh -u h , e k he t n e t
5vi r ...
Wa s di t di e e e rste ke e r wa t u h o m ge si e n he t? --- Ne e ,
e k h e t – di s n i e di e e e rste ke e r w a t e k h o m g e si e n h e t. Ek h e t
h o m ni e ge ke n so o s in e lke d ag p raa t ni e , ne t me t d i e g e sig .
H al l o e n so g e ke n .
10 U ken va n g ro e t en si en ? --- Ja . En h y h e t a l tyd b y my
su ste r se ki n d g e ko m.
H an n e s w ie ? --- Ek we e t ni e w a t i s sy va n n i e .
Ja ?
A AN KL AER : Ma a r u sê u' s n o u h u i s to e . U ga a n no u u p h on e
15h a al . D i s no u o m di e p ol i sie te b el . --- Ja .
Ja . En toe ? --- En to e sê b e skul d ig d e 1 vi r my ma a r a s
e k g a an sê wi e d i t i s, da n g aa n hy vi r my vre kma a k.
Wa a r h e t hy di t vi r u ge sê ? --- To e e k o p p ad is o m te
l oo p .
20 To e l o op be sku ld i g de 1 sa a m me t u? --- Ne e , ek en
Gu n n ie , di e e e n w a t d aa r bl y, he t saa m ge l oo p .
U h -hu h ? --- H ul l e he t mo s o o k n ou se ke r ko m kyk.
Ma a r to e h e t h y sa a m me t my g el o o p maa r hy' t ŉ bi e tj ie voo ru i t
g el o o p , wa n t to e he t hy sti l ge sta a n . To e sê h y, h y ga a n vi r my
25vre kma a k a s e k so sê – a g , a s ek ga a n sê . Ma a r toe he t e k
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n o u my p h on e ga a n ha a l e n w ee r te ru g g e ko m.
N a d ie ton e e l to e n ou ? --- Ja .
To e i s d i e pe rso o n n ou no g d aa r o f w a t? --- Ja .
En to e ? --- En to e he t ek mo s no u g e be l . Ma a r to e ko m
5D ua n e w ee r te rug op en to e ...
Ja ...(tu sse n b ei d e )
H OF : Di s n o u n o mme r 2? --- Ja .
A AN KL AER : D ua n e ko m to e w ee r te ru g . --- En h y' t to e so –
e k w e e t n ie wa t he t h y i n sy h an d g e ha d ni e ma a r o f h y i e ts
10g e ha d h e t in sy ha n d o f w a t n i e , ma a r h y h e t so o p d ie pe rso o n
– d a ai kl o n g se ...
H OF : U wys ŉ ka p o f ŉ ste e kb e we g i ng . --- Ja .
Sa l e k d i t so ka n ...? Va n b o n a o nd e r. So ? --- Ja .
A AN KL AER : U sê u kon n ie si en w a t di t i s ni e maa r u sie n h y
15ma a k no u so – sul ke be w e gi n g s op di e pe rso o n . --- Ja . Wa n t
d a ai tyd h e t my su ste r se mei si e ki n d my w e gg e tre k, wa n t ek
w il vi r ho m g e kee r he t.
Vi r w ie ge ke e r h e t? --- Vi r be sku l di g d e 2 .
Ja . En to e w a t g e be u r to e ? --- Ma a r my su ste r se
20me i si e ki nd he t mo s no u vi r my we g ge tre k.
Ja . --- To e i s e k so b y d ie li gp a a l se ka n t.
Ja . --- To e sta an e k to e d aa r.
Ja . En toe ? --- En to e he t D u an e ŉ kl ip g aa n h aa l , o o k
b y di e li g pa a l se ka n t, e n vi r h o m g e go o i me t di e kl i p by sy
25ko p .
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By sy kop o f h oe ? --- Op sy ko p .
Op sy ko p . Di s n ou di e p e rsoo n w a t n o u ... --- L ê .
Wa t l ê . Ho e ve r w a s ...? Ko n u sie n h oe g roo t di e kl i p
w a s? --- So g ro o t.
5H OF : So i s di t di e b re ed te ? Di s omtre n t ... Me n e e r Ha n co ck?
Me n ee r, di t i s a mpe r ŉ h a lw e me te r.
MN R H AN C OC K : Ek so u sê ŉ ha l we me te r, a g ba re .
A AN KL AER : ŉ Gro o t ... --- Di t wa s ŉ re d el i ke g roo t kli p ma a r
n ie ...
10 Wa s di t ŉ kl i p , ŉ b a kstee n ? Is d i t ŉ ro ts? Wa t i s d i t? ---
ŉ Kli p . Ek ka n n i e sê o f ŉ ro ts o f w a t n ie ma a r e k sê amp e r
so o s ŉ – d i t l yk n ie so o s ŉ ri vie rkl ip ni e . Ampe r soo s ŉ – ho e
ka n ŉ men s n o u sê ? Sa n d e ri g , so , me t a mp e r so o s se me n t
a mp e r.
15 D i s ŉ ste en . --- N ie ŉ ste e n ni e . Ek we e t h oe l yk ŉ
ste e n .
U sê se me n trig . Ja . En u sê be sku l di g de 2 go o i di t o p
sy – op di e p e rso o n se ko p . En to e? --- En hu l le – to e he t
h ul l e mo s n o u we g g eg a a n . Toe on s no u h ee l tyd d a a r g e staa n
20e n g ew a g vi r d ie po li si e e n so .
Wi e h e t w e gg e g aa n ? --- D ua n e h e t g e ga a n . Ek h e t h o m
n ie we e r d a a rn a g e sie n n i e .
Wa a r w a s b e sku l di g d e 1 to e ? --- H y w as al re ed s we g .
D ie tyd to e e k my ph o n e g aa n h a al he t d a ai tyd , to e ga a n h y
25o o k mo s n ou we g .
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R ig h t . En sê vi r my, h oe ke n u vi r be sku ld i gd e 1 ? ---
On s – da a r b y ŉ ya rd . H ul l e al mal l oo p so da a r sa a m. En h y
h e t sa a m me t my su ste r se me i si e ki nd ge vry.
U sê to e h e t di e amb u la n s en d a a rd i e me n se toe g e ko m
5o m d i e pe rso o n op te te l ? --- Ja .
Op w a tte r sta di u m he t u a g te rge ko m di s n ou H an n e s? ---
To e e k – da a r w a s ŉ po l i si e ma n voo r – to e da a i e en sa a m my
kl aa r ge p ra a t h e t, to e wa s da a r n og ŉ po li si e man . To e he t hy
l ig g e ma a k, to e h e t ek h o m ge vra om b y di e ge si g li g te ma a k
10d a t e k ka n kyk wi e d i t i s. To e h e t e k g e si e n d i s H an n e s.
N ou sê vi r my, we e t u w a a ro o r d i e be sku l di g d e s vol g e n s
u w e e rg a we no u h i e rd i e ma n da a r n o u sta a n en aa n ra nd he t?
We e t u wa a roo r di t ge g a an he t? --- Hu h -uh .
Be h al w e no u vi r be skul d i gd e 2 , kon u ge sê h e t o f
15b e skul d ig d e 1 mi skie n ge d ri n k h e t e n o f h y on d e r di e in vl oe d
w a s o f e n ig i e ts soo s d i t? --- Ek we e t n ie o f h y ge d rin k h e t
n ie .
En b e skul d ig d e 2 , so u u ge sê h e t h y' s b a ie ge d rin k? Wa s
h y d i k d ron k o f w a s h y – h e t h y g ew e e t wa t om ho m aa n ga a n ?
20K a n u sê ? --- H y wa s ni e di k d ron k n ie ma a r o n s al ma l w a s
d ro n k ma a r ni e di k d ro n k d a t on s n ie ka n w e e t wa t d a a r
a a ng e g aa n h e t ni e .
So o s d ie ho f be h a ag . Ge e n ve rde re vra e .
H OF : Krui so nd e rvra gi n g , me n e e r Ha n co ck?
25MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g , a g ba re .
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K RU ISON D ER VRA GIN G D EUR MN R H AN C OC K : Re g so ,
me vro u . U na a m i s Ma de l ei n , nè ? --- Ja .
N ou , d aa rd i e aa n d – e k p ro be e r n e t ko rre k h o o r. Is d i t
B a zu ka se ta ve rn ? --- Ja , Ba zu ka .
5H OF : Ma zu ku . --- Ma zu ka .
MN R H AN C OC K : O, Ba zu ka . So o s di e g e we e r. ŉ Ba zu ka w a t
ŉ mi ssi e l ski e t.
H OF : Ne e , sy p ra a t van ŉ M. Is d i t ŉ M o f ŉ B? --- Ba zu ka .
Ba -.
10MN R H AN C OC K : Ba zu ka .
H OF : Ba zu ka .
MN R H AN C OC K : So di s Ba zu ka se ta ve rn , re g ? --- U h m .
N ou , u h e t saa m me t b e sku l di g d e 2 g ed ri n k da a rso . Is
d i t re g ?
15H OF : Ek ka n ni e h o o r n ie ? --- Ja , me vro u .
MN R H AN C OC K : En da a r w a s Jo le n e . Wa s sy oo k
te e n wo o rdi g ? --- Ja .
En D o ni q ue ? --- Ja .
Is ju l le d ri e vri en d e , di e d rie da me s? --- Ja .
20 So j ul l e h e t sa a m g ed ri n k d aa rd i e aa n d ? --- Ja .
En soo s u sê , u h e t bi e r ge d ri n k, u h e t ru m ge d rin k, u h e t
w yn g ed ri n k e n da a r w a s kl aa rb l ykl i k ta a ml i k ba i e . --- Ja .
Is di t re g? --- Ja . D i s n e t e en bo tte l ru m en ee n kra an
e n ŉ ki s ge w e e s.
25 So d i s 1 2 bo tte l s bi e r, ŉ bo tte l ru m en d a n 5 l i te r wyn .
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--- Ja . En on s he t no g se ke r d rie ci d e rs – vi e r ci d e rs g ed ri n k.
So vi e r ci de rs bo e n b e ha l we di t? --- Da a rso , j a .
Tu sse n vi e r van j ul l e , di e d ri e da me s e n D u an e . --- Ja ,
o n s he t – ne e , o n s he t n o g – di e fu n h e t da a r – n o g vo o rd a t
5o n s d aa rn a to e g eg a a n he t, h e t on s mo s d a a r b y d ie hu i s
g e d ri n k.
So ju l le h e t voo r d i t oo k g ed ri n k? --- Di t w a t on s sa a m
g e va t h e t.
So al l e s. Ju l l e h e t b eg i n dri n k by d ie h ui s o p a l da a rdi e
10g o ed . --- Ja .
En to e ko m j y by Ba zu ka se ta ve rn en ju l le kry o o k ci de rs
d a a r. So j ul l e d ri n k d i e h e el tyd d ie ru m, d ie b ie r, di e wyn en
d ie ci d e rs . --- To t w an n e e r di t o p wa s, ja .
Vi e r va n ju l le . --- U h m .
15 D ie dri e d a me s en Du a ne . --- Ja , ma a r a g te rna he t d a ai
tw e e tji e s oo k mo s b y ge ko m. Ha n ne s en Ne u si e he t oo k by
o n s ko m sta a n .
H OF : Wie ? --- Ha nn e s en N e u si e .
H an n e s? --- Ag , so rry . Ni e H an n e s n ie . N e u si e e n
20R ou mp i e .
MN R H AN C OC K : Ne u sie en Ro u mp i e . So hu l l e wa s oo k d a a r
b y d i e she b e en en h u ll e h e t sa a m me t ju l le ge d rin k? --- Ja .
R eg . En as ek no u ko rre k ve rsta an , u sê u h e t sa a m me t
Jo le n e e e rste d ie she b e en ve rl a a t. --- Pl e k ve rla a t, j a .
25 So ju l le l o s D o ni q u e a g te r saa m me t D ua n e , saa m me t
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N eu si e e n R ou mp ie . --- Ja .
Wa s d aa r e ni g e pro b le me da a r to e u h ul l e lo s? --- H uh -
uh.
N i ks n i e . Oka y . En to e sê u , u ho o r ski e li k d a a r' s ŉ
5skre ë ry a g te r j ul l e . --- Ag te r, ja .
Is di t re g? --- Ja .
En u g a an kyk e n u sê u kry toe vi r Do n iq u e w a t i n di e
p a d sta an na b y d i e slo o t. --- Ja .
En di e en i g ste twe e p e rso n e me t ha a r is N eu si e en
10R ou mp i e . --- Ja .
U h e t n i e Ha n n e s op da a rdi e stad i u m g e si e n n ie ? ---
H oe sê men e e r?
H an n e s. --- Ne e .
Ge e n te ke n va n Ha n n e s ni e ? --- N ee .
15 En op d aa rd i e sta d i u m he t D on i q ue g eh u il e n ge skre e .
--- Ja .
En w ie p ra a t me t h aa r to e? U o f Jo l en e ? --- Ek.
U p ra a t me t ha a r. En sy sê to e Ne u si e h e t ha a r g e sl a a n .
--- Ro u mp ie he t vi r ha a r g e sla a n .
20 R ou mp i e , n ie Ne u sie ni e ? --- Hu h -uh .
R ou mp i e he t h aa r ge sl aa n . --- Ja .
H e t sy ge sê w aa rme e ? --- H uh -u h .
En wa t g e be u r to e ? --- En toe ka p Ne u si e vi r D o ni q u e
me t ŉ di ng . Ek we e t ni e w aa rme e h e t h y ...
25 Wa s di t ŉ vu u rwa p e n g ew e e s? --- Ek w ee t ni e w a t wa s
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dit nie.
H e t u o o i t e ni g e vu u rw a p en op di e to n ee l d a a rd i e a an d
g e si e n ? --- D ua n e h e t so ŉ – e k w ee t n ie o f d i t ŉ spe e l di n g
w a s o f w a t o f ŉ reg te gu n wa s.
5 N ou , w aa r wa s d i t n o u? --- Da a r b y Ba zu ka .
By Ba zu ka ? --- Ja .
Ma a r n a Ba zu ka he t u di t we e r g e sie n ? --- H uh -u h .
En u ko n n ie si e n w a t N e u si e g e b ru i k o m vi r D o ni q ue te
sl aa n ni e . --- N e e .
10 N ou , u h e t ni e ge si e n vo o r di t w a t da a r ge b e u r he t. U he t
n e t ge h o o r va n a f Do n i qu e . Kla a rb l ykl i k he t R o u mp i e ha a r
g e sl a a n me t i e ts.
Ja . Op da a rd ie sta d iu m, he t u vi r b e skul d ig d e 1 o f 2 da a r
g e si e n o p d ie ton e e l en i g e pl e k? --- N og ni e .
15 N og ni e ? --- To e i s h y n ie da a r n i e . Ni e ma n d w a s – n ie
e e n van hu l le twe e w a s d aa r ni e .
N ou a s e k ve rsta an , u sê to e u si e n no u d a t Ne u si e vi r
D on i q ue sl a a n me t d i e vuu rw a pe n – me t di e d i ng . U h a al u
ru g sa k a f, wa n t da a r' s bo tte l s i n en u go oi d i t to e vi r N eu si e .
20--- Ag te r h o m aa n , ja .
Ag te r h o m a a n? --- Ja .
Wa t wa s hu l le ho u di n g ? Wa s hu ll e a g g re ssi e f tee n o o r
D on i q ue d aa r o f w a t wa s a an d ie g an g ? --- Ja . Hu l le w il h aa r
g e sl a a n he t e n toe ke e r ek mo s – a mp e r so kee r, ma a r to e ka p
25h y vi r h a a r. Toe ha rd lo o p R ou mp i e ag te ro m by di e ri vie rtj i e e n
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N eu si e h a rd l o op vo o r om. So o s o n s ge l o op he t, h e t R o u mp i e
g e ha rd lo o p – a g , Ne u si e g e ha rd l oo p .
Ma a r h ul l e w as ag g re ssi e f ge w e e s? --- Ja .
En u g o oi to e di e ru g sa k ag te r Ne u sie en u mi s vi r ho m.
5Is di t re g? --- Ja , e k mi s vi r h o m.
Oka y . Wa t g e be u r to e ? --- En ek h e t – to e h aa l e k ŉ
e mp ty ui t di e – b o tte l u i t d ie sa k ui t.
U i t d ie rug sa k w a a r di t da a r lê . --- Ja , w an t da a r w a s
se ke r – d aa r wa s no g e en wa t ni e g e b re e k w a s n ie .
10 U h m-hm . --- En to e si en ek ne t Du a n e i s oo k b y my a an .
To e h a rdl o o p e k e n h y – e k e n be sku l di g d e 2 ag te r Ne u sie aa n .
So h e t hy ne t ski e l i k da a r g e ko m u i t d ie bl o u te ui t? ---
E k we e t n i e wa a r va n a f n i e .
En j ul l e tw e e vol g vi r Ne u si e ? --- Ja .
15 R eg . En u ve rl o o r to e vi r Ne u si e . a s e k ko rre k ve rstaa n .
--- Ja . Ma a r e k he t g e si e n da a r sta an i e ma n d so ve r so by ŉ
va al h ui s. Ek w ee t ni e o f di t H an n e s d a ai mo men t mi ski en h y
w a s n ie .
As u sê ve r, i s di t b ai e ve r? H oe ve r? (On d u id e li k.
20S tru i kel ) h ie rd i e h o f. --- Ek kan n ou n ie sê ni e . Ek kan ma a r
sê h i e r en da n i s d i t d a a r voo r b y di e se cu ri ti e s by di e h e k.
K a n ma a r sê b y d ie he k.
By di e i ng a n g van di e h o f? --- Ja .
So di s ta a mli k ŉ d i sta n si e . So ie ma nd sta a n da a r. Maa r
25j ul l e ve rl o o r vi r Ne u sie e n toe d ra ai j ul l e tw e e om. --- Ek he t
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o mg ed ra ai e n vi r h o m g e sê hy mo e t ko m, ja . D an to e – ma a r
to e d ra ai hy saa m om ma a r hy va t d ie bo tte l e n to e d ra ai hy –
g a an hy ...
U i t u h a nd ui t? --- Ja .
5 U h m-hm ? --- En h y ga a n n o u w e e r te ru g . Ma a r e k lo o p
a l a an om te g aa n kyk wa t Do n iq u e ma a k; o f D on i q ue a l ri g h t
i s.
Wa t h e t va n Jo l en e ge w o rd? --- Jo l e ne w a s to e d a ai
mo me n t b y D on i q ue .
10 So sy he t ag te rg e bl y? --- Ja .
Ma a r sy h e t sa a m me t jo u b y D o ni q u e ge a rri vee r, so sy
h e t d i e he e l tyd h ie rd i e he l e d in g d o pg e h ou , d a t N eu si e vi r
D on i q ue sl aa n , d a t u di e ru g sa k go o i , da t u saa m me t D ua n e
a g te r N eu si e h a rd l o op . Sy wa s d a a r te e nw o o rd i g . --- Ek we e t
15n ie o f sy ge kyk h e t ni e ma a r sy w a s da a r, ja .
Sy wa s d a a r? --- Uh m .
Wa s sy di e se l fde dro n k a s u ? Sy wa s ni e me e r o f mi n de r
d ro n k a s u? --- Ek sa l ni e w e e t n ie o f sy me e r a s e k d ro n k
w a s o f e k mi n de r.
20 Wa s u ta a ml i k d ron k da a rdi e aa n d? --- Ek wa s dro n k, ja .
So j y w a s taa ml i k dro n k. Kan j y al l e s g o ed o n th ou
p re si e s h oe d i t ge b eu r h e t. Is u se ke r? --- Ek ve rte l di t n e t
so o s d i t g eb e u r h e t so o s e k ...
So o s u n ou ve rte l , u sê d i t he t so ge b e u r. Di t i s ni e
25mo o n tli k u ... --- Soo s wa t e k ge si e n he t. Di t wa t e k ge si e n
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h e t g e be u r.
D i t is n ie mo o n tli k u ka n ŉ fo u t b e ga a n omd a t u so d ron k
w a s? --- Mi ski e n . Ek we e t ni e .
U we e t n ie . R eg . So u sê u d ra a i no u om e n be skul d i gd e
52 va t no u ŉ b o tte l b y u e n u l oo p to e aa n , re g ? --- Ja .
Wa t ge b e u r to e ? --- Op p a d na Do n iq u e to e . Ma a r
vo o rda t e k b y D on i qu e no g u i tko m ho o r ek ŉ g e sla a n e n ŉ
g e tra p , so g e ba kl ei so ag te r my.
Ag te r u . Ja ? --- En e k dra a i w e e r o m, o m te ga a n kyk,
10to e sie n da t di t b e sku l d ig d e 1 e n 2 i s wa t i e ma n d sl a a n . En e k
si en h y bl o ei mo s no u al kl aa r, toe sê e k vi r hu l le , hu ll e mo e t
h o m l o s.
N ou , toe u o md ra a i , he t d i t ge l yk soo s d a a rd i e pe rso on
w ie u in di e d ista n si e w eg si e n sta a n he t o f he t di t ge l yk so o s
15i e ma n d an d e rs? --- H mm-h m . Ek ka n ni e ge si e n h e t n ie , w a n t
h y wa s a l kl a a r – en h y wa s vo l b l oe d en so . En ek ka n o o k
n ie di e kl e re van ŉ di sta n ce – so ve r g e sie n h e t ni e , w a n t d i t
w a s d on ke r o p da a i ka n t g ew e e s – d i e kle u re w a t e k – d i e
co lo u rs en so ge sie n he t ni e .
20 N ou , toe u o md ra a i e n u si en d a a r' s h ie rd i e sl a ne ry e n
tra p p e ry, h e t u to t b y h u ll e g el o o p? --- Ja .
R eg b y hu l le . R e g . En u he t reg la n g s h ul l e ge sta a n . ---
B y hu ll e , ja .
En op d aa rd i e sta d i u m u ko n n i e si e n w i e d i e p e rsoo n
25w a s wi e h u ll e sla a n ni e . --- N e e , wa n t h y wa s vol b lo e d , sy
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g e si g .
Ka n u o n th ou wa tse sko e ne be sku ld i g de 1 en 2 ge d ra
h e t? --- H uh -u h , e k he t ni e n og ... O, d i e be sku l di g d e 1 en 2?
Ja . --- Ek ka n ni e o n th ou ni e .
5 Is di t mo on tl i k e e n he t p la kki e s ge d ra ? --- Ek w e e t n ie .
U w ee t n ie . --- Ek h e t n i e no g sko e n e ge kyk ni e .
Ma a r u sê h ul l e h e t g e tra p e n ge sko p . --- Uh m .
So u h e t ni e n a hu l l e skoe n e g e kyk to e h ul l e sko p en tra p
n ie ? --- Ne t so di e be w eg i n g s mo s no u , so di e – ma a r e k h e t
10n ie ge kyk di e sko en e n i e .
N ie sko e n e g e kyk ni e . En u i s n ie se ke r ho e l an k di t
a a ng e h ou he t ni e . --- Hm-u h m .
En to e he t hu l le toe op g e ho u . --- Ja .
Omd a t u so ge sê he t o f n e t u i t h u ll e e ie ui t? --- Se ke r.
15E k we e t n i e o f d i t e k wa s, omd a t ek so ge sê h e t o f ui t hu l l e ei e
u i t ni e , ma a r ek h e t ge sê hu l le mo e t op h o u en hu l le h e t di t
g el o s.
Oka y . En to e lo op hu l le we g . --- Ja .
Al be i va n h ul l e . To ta al we g e n h ul l e ve rdw yn u i t u si g
20u i t. --- Ja . H u ll e he t – e en va n h u ll e – to e e k ag te r si t, to e
ko m b e skul d ig d e 1 w e e r te rug . 2 ...
So he t 1 ...? As – e k wi l ne t ve rsta a n . He t 1 bl y sta a n
n a b y? --- Ne e . Ek w ee t ni e . H ul l e he t g el o o p .
H ul l e lo o p . --- H ul l e he t w eg g e ga a n , w an t h u ll e wa s n ie
25w ee r d a a r w a a r d i e g e be u re ge b eu r h e t ni e . H ul l e w a s ni e
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d a a r ni e .
N ou ho e ve r w e g wa a r h i e rd i e sl an e ry p l aa sg e vi n d h e t,
w a s d i t va n wa a r D o ni q u e en Jo l e ne ge sta a n h e t w aa r di e d in g
b e gi n he t? --- Ka n ma a r sê ... Di s o m ŉ dra a i . Ek ka n ni e so
5l e kke r h ie rb i nn e ve rd u i de l i k ni e , maa r d i s o m ŉ d ra ai . Ek ka n
ma a r sê h ie rso h e t di t ge b eu r. Ek ga a n n ou so me t my
e l mb o o g ... H ie rso he t di t g eb e u r by d ie d ra ai e n D o ni q ue h e t
ka mma so g el ê . Ek ve rd ui d e li k ma a r n o u ne t so .
So h u ll e ka n n ie si e n , w a n t d i s o m ŉ d ra a i . --- Ja , wa n t
10d i s so b y ŉ slo o tj i e wa a r sy ...
Oka y . So o m te – vi r h u ll e o m te si e n w a t ge b e u r, hu l le
sa l mo e t w eg va n di e slo o tj i e be w e eg om di e d ra ai . --- Ja .
D an kan hu ll e si e n . --- Om te si e n .
So hu l le ka n ni e si e n wa t g eb e u r wa a r hu l le sta a n en
15w aa r u no u sta a n n a hi e rdi e tw ee p e rso n e ge sl aa n h e t. ---
H m-uh m .
R eg . So toe ho u h ul l e o p e n hu l le lo o p w eg . N ou , a s e k
ve rsta a n , he t u me t hi e rd ie p e rso o n op d ie g ron d ga a n si t o f
w a t he t u g e ma a k? --- Ja . H y' t ge l ê . Ee rste mo s no u he t hy
20re g op g e ko m. To e si t e k a g te r ho m so , w an t h y h e t so – a mp e r
so ge si t. To e h ou e k sy ko p , w an t ek h e t ge si en d ie b lo e d ko m
b y sy ko p u i t. To e h o u ek h o m re g op o m te lu i ste r o f hy n o g
a l ri g h t is en to e he t h y vi r my g e sê h y i s al ri gh t . En so ...
H e t h y me t u ge p ra a t? --- Ja , hy' t ge p ra a t.
25 So u si t ag te r ho m en h y si t op sy bo u d e ma a r sy b o ka n t
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– sy bo l yf is re g o p te en u . Ve rsta a n e k re g ? --- Ja . So , j a .
En h y l e un me t sy a g te rko p te en u . --- So g el ê , ja .
R eg . En u vra to e vi r ho m is hy al ri gh t e n h y sê h y' s
a l ri g h t . --- Ja . Ma a r ek he t sy ko p to e re go p g e b ri n g d a t d i e
5b lo e d n ie so – vi r my w a s d i t d ie bl o ed ga a n bi e tj i e sto p a s e k
sy ko p re g op ho u .
So u w o u n e t d ie b lo e d stop . En i s di t to e wa t u sê te rw yl
u d a a r so si t d a t u sê be sku ld i g de 1 te rug g e ko m he t e n h y tra p
vi r d ie man in sy ge si g? --- Ja .
10 Te rw yl u me t ho m si t op di e g ron d . --- Ja .
En ho e ve el ke e r h e t g eb e u r? H oe ve e l ke e r he t h y
g e tra p? --- Hy' t ne t e en ke e r ge tra p e n w ee r we gg e g aa n .
Ee n ke e r ge tra p ? --- Ja .
En h e t di e ma n no g g e p ra a t na di t? --- Ja , h y' t n o g
15g e p ra a t. Ma a r to e h e t hy – to e i s di t se ke r so no g – ek he t no g
se ke r so vyf o f d rie – tw ee mi nu te g e si t me t ho m. So toe skre e
e k mo s n o u vi r d ie me n se l an g sa an hu ll e mo e t di e p ol i sie be l ,
ma a r toe h e t hu l l e te l an k g e va t na my sin . D ie p ol i sie e n di e
a mb ul a n s be l . To e h e t e k ho m ne e rg el ê en to e he t ek my
20p h on e ga a n ha a l .
R eg . So u si t vi r tw ee o f d rie mi n u te . U skree vi r di e
b u re da a r w a t na b y i s. --- Ja .
H ul l e mo e t d ie p ol i si e e n di e amb u la n s be l . H ul l e va t te
l an k en u be sl ui t u g aa n u fo o n kry. --- U h m .
25 N ou , in da a rd ie tw e e , d ri e mi n u te en to e u skre e no u vi r
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d ie bu re , wa a r' s b e sku l di g d e 1 ? --- H y he t g el o op .
So h y h e t we e r g el o o p . --- Ja .
H y h e t w e e r ve rd w yn . --- Ek we e t ni e . H y he t se ke r so
ŉ en tj i e g e sta an , wa n t e k he t vi r ho m g e kry n o g te e n di e pa d
5te rw yl e k d ie ph o n e g aa n h a al he t.
En b e skul d ig d e 2 ? --- H y w a s gl a d n ie da a r n ie .
Gl a d n ie da a r n ie . R e g . So u be sl ui t u g aa n n o u sel f d ie
fo o n ga a n ha al , so u lê – ek n ee m a a n u si t di e man n ee r w ee r
o p d ie gro n d . --- Ja .
10 Wa s h y no g – h e t h y ge p raa t o f ...? --- Hy' t n o g g e p ra a t,
j a . Hy' t no g ase m ... Ek ka n g e vo e l h e t. So h y h e t – w a n t h y
h e t so amp e r g e sn o rk.
H e t di t g e kli n k a so f hy sl u k o f i e ts? --- Ek we e t n o u n i e .
D i s a mp e r so o s ŉ me n s ... Si en j y, a s ŉ men s se ne u s to e is.
15(S n o rk, sn o rk ).
So d i t kl i n k ...(tu sse n b e id e )
H OF : Sy ma a k ŉ sno rkg el u i d .
MN R H ANC OC K : H e t di t g e kli n k a so f hy su kkel o m ase m te
kry? --- Ja .
20 Ja . En toe sta a n u o p , wa n t u wi l no u u fo o n ga a n ha a l .
E n i s d i t n o u d a t u sê u kry vi r be sku ld i g de 1? --- Ja .
L a ng s ŉ h u i s. --- N ee , b y d ie wi n kel .
By ŉ w i n ke l ? --- U hh .
En w a t g e be u r da a r? --- On s i s i n d ie pa d ma a r di e
25w in ke l i s mo s n ou b y di e syp a ad j ie .
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U h m-hm . --- En hy sê – e n ek sê mo s n o u vi r di e ou w a t
sa a m me t my lo o p ... To e sê e k, e k ga a n sê wi e h e t vi r ho m
se e rge ma a k, to e sê hy a s e k sê , d a n ga a n h y vi r my vre kma a k.
N ou wa a r h e t u di e o u ...? U h e t g e sê sy n a a m i s
5Gu n n ie . --- Gu n ni e .
Gu n n ie ? --- Ja .
Wa a r he t hy va nd a a n g e ko m en wa n n ee r ko m hy b y u?
--- H y l o op d aa r ma a r ek w ee t ni e ho e he t h y da a r ge ko m n ie .
Ma a r h y h e t n e t sa a m me t my g el o o p . Toe ek we e r si en to e i s
10h y l a ng sa a n my.
So h y h e t n ie b y ge ko m te rw yl u di e ma n va sh o u en
p ro be e r he l p ni e . --- Ek w ee t ni e . Ek he t n ie so
g e kon se n tre e r op an d e r me n se ni e .
So u sê ski e li k is ne t Gu nn i e sa a m me t j o u . --- Ja , wa n t
15to e d a a r n ie ma nd is ni e h e t e k ni e n og ge w o rry va n an d e r
me n se ni e . Ek h e t ne t vi r ho m so va sg e ho u e n g e p ra a t me t
h o m.
Oka y . En u sê u si e n vi r b e sku l di g d e 1 . En wa t h e t u vi r
h o m g e sê ? Da t u ga a n d ie po l i si e b e l? --- Ek he t n ie vi r ho m
20so g e sê ni e . Ek h e t vi r di e p e rso o n – vi r Gu n n ie so ge sê .
Ja . En ? --- En to e sê hy ma a r hy g aa n vi r my vre kma a k
a s e k sê .
Wa t he t j y to e g e sê to e h y d i t sê ? --- Ek h e t ge sê e k
w o rry n ie . Jy ka n ma a r my vre kma a k ma a r e k g aa n n e t sê .
25 En to e lo op u aa n ? --- Ja .
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H y' t u ni e g e vo l g n ie ? --- H uh -u h .
En u g a an ha a l u p h on e . --- Ja .
Wa s Gun n i e no g sa a m me t u to e u d ie foo n kry? --- Ja ,
w an t h y b l y da a r wa a r o n s bl y.
5 En he t hy sa a m me t u te ru gg e sta p na w aa r d ie ma n l ê ?
--- Hu h -uh .
So u ' s a ll e e n to e ? --- Ja .
H oe la n k h e t d i t ge va t va n a f u d i e man ge l o s h e t, di e
fo o n ga a n ha al h e t en te ru g ge ko m he t? Ka n u n e t ska t? Vyf
10mi nu te , 10 min u te ? --- Ek ka n ma a r sê h i e rva n d aa n to t b y di e
g a rag e o o r d ie pa d .
By di e g a ra g e o o r d ie pa d . En da n te ru g . --- Ja .
R eg . En w a t ge b eu r to e u n o u te ru g ko m da a r b y d i e
p e rsoo n ? --- To e is o n s mo s n ou d a a r, to e ko m Du a n e ,
15b e skul d ig d e 2 , te ru g . To e ko m b e skul d i gd e 2 te ru g e n so o s h y
l ê , to e ma a k h y so . H y sê h ie r ...(tu sse n b e id e )
H OF : Sy w ys w ee r di e ka pg e l ui d e – ka pb e w eg i ng s wa a r o p sy
l yf? --- So .
U w ys h ie r op di e b o rs, vo o rkan t.
20MN R H AN C OC K : Bo rs. No u vo o rd a t hy ge ko m h e t, he t u b y
d ie ma n ge ko m en h o m va sg eh o u o f ni e ? --- To e he t e k mo s
n o u kla a r ... To e l ê h y a lre e d s. To e he t e k mo s my p h on e
g a an ha a l voo rd a t ...
Ja . Ma a r to e u no u te rug ko m me t di e ph o n e , he t u h o m
25b e rei k en g e voe l ? Wa s h y kou d g e we e s? --- N ee . To e Du an e
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– vo o rda t – n a Du a n e di e kl i p ge g o oi he t, to e h e t e k ge vo el
h ie r b y sy ne k o f da a r n og mi ski e n kl o p pe i s, so , ma a r to e w as
d a a r ni e .
Wa s hy ko u d ? --- H y w as no g n i e kou d n i e .
5 N og ni e ko u d ni e . --- Hy wa s n o g w arm maa r da a r w a s
n i ks b y sy n e k w a t e k g e voe l h e t ni e .
R eg . So to e u n o u te ru g ko m me t d i e fo o n , u be re i k ni e
d ie man . D ua n e h e t b y ho m e e rste g e ko m, a s e k n o u reg
ve rsta a n , e n h y ma a k h ie rd ie ka p b ew e g in g s. --- Ek ka n maa r
10sê o n s tw e e tji e s h e t sa a m d a a r a an g e ko m. Ek we e t ni e w aa r –
h o e – wa a r van a f h e t h y ge ko m ni e , ma a r to e e k da a r sta an n e t
so b y d i e li g p aa l se ka n t om di e p ol i sie te b el , to e i s h y o o k
d a a r. Toe ma a k hy so by ho m.
Op sy b o rs? --- Ja , so h ie r by sy ...
15 En u i s se ke r d i s D ua n e g ew e e s? --- Ja .
D i t w a s n ie Ma l col m ge w ee s ni e ? --- Hm-u h m .
En to e hy di t do e n , h e t di e ma n sti l ge l e o f he t hy no g
b ew e e g? --- Hy he t ni e b e we e g n ie . H y h e t stil ge lê .
H y' t stil ge lê . R e g so . Hy ma a k di e ka pb e we g i ng s. Ko n
20u si e n ho e ve el ? --- H uh -u h .
N ie ge si en ni e . Wa t ge b eu r toe ? --- En hy' t di e kl i p oo r
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d ie pa d g a an ha a l mo s e n vi r ho m ge g oo i me t di e kl ip .
So van a f w aa r h y ge ste e k h e t hy' s to e we g . H y tel o p d i e
kl ip en hy go o i di e kl ip op di e ma n se ko p . --- Oo r di e ... Ja .
H OF : Ek si en on s i s a l b y 1 0 vo o r vie r. H ul l e ve rtre k vi e ruu r
5n a d ie tron k to e , w a t ve r i s.
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g . Mi ski e n i s di t ŉ go e i e
tyd da n .
H OF : Tyd o m te sto p .
MN R H AN C OC K : Te sto p , ag b a re .
10H OF : Ek ro l ho m na mô re o m h a a r g e tui e ni s kl a a r te ma a k.
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g , a g ba re .
H OF : Sta an ? Di e sa a k w ord u i tge ste l na mô re , 23 Okto b e r,
n e t o m hi e rd i e ge tu i e se g e tui e n i s kl a a r te ma a k. Be sku l di g d e
1 , bo rg ve rle n g . Di e sel fd e vo o rw aa rd e s. Ha l fn eg e mo e t u hi e r
15ve rskyn . Be sku l di g d e 2 i s in he g te n i s e n hy i s in h eg te n i s op ŉ
a n de r sa a k. D ie ge tu i e is ge w a a rsku om mô re -o gg e n d
h al fn e g e h ie r te w ee s, nè ? Da n kie . U ka n a fsta a n .
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g .
H OF VERD A A G OM 15 :2 2 TOT 23 OK TOB ER 20 1 8
20H OF H ER VA T OP 2 3 OK TOB ER 2 0 18 (om 11 :1 4 )
A AN KL AER : So o s d ie ho f be h a ag . Va n da g i s 2 3 Okto b e r
2 0 18 . D ie vo o rsi tte n d e be a mp te is F Mou to n . D ie
sta a tsa a n kl a e r i s me ne e r Da mon . D i e be sku l di g de s wo rd
ve rte e nw o o rdi g d e u r men e e r H an co ck. N ie ge b rui k ge wo rd
25g e maa k va n ŉ to l k n i e . Ag b a re , d ie sa a k is ge rol van a f gi ste r
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n a va nd a g to e vi r ...
H OF : Om di e krui so n de rvra g in g van d ie g e tui e kla a r te maa k.
Is sy h ie r? Wa a r i s sy? Is sy u i t – bu i te ? L aa t sy n e t in ko m
o m te ho o r w a t a a ng a a n h ie r. Sy ka n ma a r n e t d a a r si t d a a r
5vo o r b y u , me vro u Ma la n ? Goe d . Me ne e r H a n co ck?
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g , a g ba re .
H OF : Ek h e t ve rsta a n da t u h e t e e n o f a n de r pro b le e m.
MN R H AN C OC K : Di t is ŉ pro b le e m me t be sku ld i g de 1 , a gb a re .
E k he t ...
10H OF : Me t b e sku l d ig d e ?
MN R H AN C OC K : 1 .
H OF : No mme r 1 ?
MN R H AN C OC K : Mal co l m Beu ke s.
H OF : Mal co l m Beu ke s.
15MN R H AN C OC K : Ek h e t va n og g e nd me t h o m ge p ra a t, ag b a re .
D aa r is no u ŉ ve rtro u en sb re u k tu ssen mysel f en me n e e r
B e u ke s.
H OF : Is d i t ŉ w e sen l i ke ve rtro u e n sb re u k?
MN R H ANC OC K : Dit is ŉ we se nl i ke ve rtro u e n sb re u k,
20e d el a gb a re .
H OF : Di t kan ni e o o rko m wo rd n ie ?
MN R H ANC OC K : N ee . En d aa r g aa n moe t twe e ap a rte
p ro ku re u rs a a ng e ste l mo e t w o rd .
H OF : Iu di ca re ?
25MN R H AN C OC K : Iu d i ca re , ag b a re . Da a r g aa n no u mo e t tw e e
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p ro ku re u rs w e e s.
H OF : Di s so ŉ ja mme rte , w an t ek w ou so g ra a g ha a r
kru i so n d e rvra g i ng kl a a rge ma a k h e t d a t sy kla a r i s.
MN R H AN C OC K : Ek ve rsta an , a gb a re , ma a r d i t i s ŉ ma te ri ël e
5a sp e k da a rva n . So o s e k sê , di t a ffe kte e r d i e saa k so ve e l da t
d a a r moe t ve rski l l en d e p ro ku re u rs a an g e ste l w ord .
H OF : Is d i t re g , no mme r 1 ?
H OF : Ge e vi r my ŉ d a tu m in tw ee w e ke se tyd . Di e ge tu i e ka n
10ve rsko on wo rd . Di e g e tui e , ba i e d an ki e d a t u w e e r ge ko m h e t.
On s sa l vi r u ge le e n th ei d ge e w an n e e r u ko m o m w ee r u
g e he u e te ve rfri s e n d i e sa a k kl a a r – u ge tu i e ni s kl aa r te ma a k,
ma a r da a r mo e t nou weer va n voo ra f w ee r – ja , n u we
p ro ku re u rs ...
15MN R H AN C OC K : 7 No ve mb e r, a gb a re .
H OF : 7 No ve mb e r. 7 No ve mbe r. Is be i d e van hu l le in
h e g ten i s?
MN R H AN C OC K : Ja (si c), ma a r b e sku l di g d e 1 i s b ui te .
H OF : Di e sa a k w ord ui tg e ste l . 7 No ve mbe r vo o rl op i g . 1 , b o rg
20ve rle n g , di e sel fd e vo o rwa a rd e s. Ha l fne g e mo e t u ve rskyn . 2,
b o rg ve rl e n g , d ie se l fd e voo rw a a rd e s. N ee , no mme r 2 is in
h e g ten i s. Eksku u s, me ne e r Ste mme t. Amp e r he t ek hi e r ŉ
kl ei n d ru kfo u tji e be g aa n . N omme r 2 in h e g ten i s. Sta a n a f.
MN R H AN C OC K : Soo s di e h o f b e ha a g .
25H OF VERD A A G OM 11 :1 7 TOT 7 N OVEMB ER 2 0 18
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1 IN L EID IN G

S AAKN OMMER : SSD 63 /2 0 1 8

D IE STAAT TEEN : M BEU KES & Z L OU R EN S

2 0 18 . D ie vo o rsi tte n d e be a mp te is F Mou to n . D ie

sta a tsa a n kl a e r i s me ne e r Da mon . D i e be sku l di g de s wo rd

ve rte e nw o o rdi g de u r men e e r Ha n co ck e n oo k g eb ru i k ge ma a k

10a a n di e b e skul d ig d e (si c) te stel .

H OF : Hi e r was ŉ moo n tl i kh e i d van ŉ ru i li n g va n

15Mo ffa t a an ste l n i e .

MN R H ANC OC K : D i t is ko rre k op hi e rd ie sta d iu m. D i s ko rre k,

H OF : Re g so , no mme r 1? Jul l e staa n re g . No mme r 2 , re g so?

H OF : He t u a fsta n d ge d o en van asse sso re?

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A AN K LA ER STEL AA N K LA GTE AA N B ESK U LD IGD ES

H OF : Ko m o n s be g in so mme r no u da d el i k da t o n s di è stu kkie

u i tkla a r. Jy kn i k n ie jo u ko p n ie . Jy flu i ste r n i e . Jy p ra a t ha rd

15V e rsta a n j y di t, n o mme r 1?

20B ESKU LD IGD E 1 : Skul d ig , e de l ag b a re .

B ESKU LD IGD E 2 : On skul d ig .

H OF : No mme r 1 sku l di g ; no mme r 2 on sku ld i g . Wil u hê ek

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H OF VERD A A G (om 1 4 :30 )

MN R H ANC OC K : D i s ko rre k, a gb a re . H y sê h y he t ŉ fou t

H OF : No mme r 1 (si c), is di t reg ?

10B ESKU LD IGD E 1 : Ja , e de l a gb a re .

b e ve stig oo k h u ll e p l ei t van on sku ld i g i s i n oo re e n ste mmi n g

15me t my i nstru ksi e s, ag b a re . On s he t – e k h e t 2 2 0 e rke n n in g s

vo o rbe re i wat d ie li gg a a m b e tre f, ag b a re . Ek kan di e

d ie re ko rd i nl e e s. Di e sta a t he t d ie po stmo rte mve rsla g ,

MN R H AN C OC K : As e k b y b e skul d ig d e 1 , me n e e r Beu ke s, kan

25" Fo rmel e e rke nn i n g s ge ma a k d e u r di e b e skul d ig d e 1 i n te rme

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va n Arti ke l 22 va n We t 5 1 /1 97 7 . Ek, di e o nd e rg e te ken d e ,

Ma l co l m Be u ke s, ve rkl aa r hi e rmee ek is be sku ld i g de 1 in d i e

H OF : So h y' s BEWYSSTU K A en B, n è ? B as syn d e d ie

MN R H ANC OC K : Ja . Ek he t ni e in hi e rdi e ŉ n o mme r vi r di e

" Ek erke n di e vol g en d e fe i te vryw il l i gl i k en so nd e r en i g e

15 b e ïn vlo e di n g en ste m d aa rto e da t hu ll e as fo rme l e

e rke nn i ng s kan ge n o tul e e r w o rd in te rme va n Arti ke l 2 20

va n di e Stra fp ro se sw e t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Me t be tre kki ng to t d i e

a a n kl a g va n moo rd e rke n e k d a t d ie id e n ti tei t va n di e

o o rl e d en e i n d ie sa a k, Joh a n ne s Ma h oo n Wil d sch u t, ŉ

20 vo lw a sse ma n i s. Ek erke n da t d ie l ig g a a mske tti n g w a t

d ie o o rl e d en e se lyk b e tre f in o rde i s va n a f w aa r sy

l ig g a a m by D ej a vu straa t in Xol a Na l ed i , Gra b o uw ,

ve rvo e r i s op 6 Aug u stu s 20 1 7 en to t en me t di e

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o p ge d o en h e t tyd en s h ie rd i e p e rio d e ni e . Ek erke n oo k

2 0 17 ui tg e voe r is en da t di e p o stmo rte mve rsl a g a an al

5 d ie vo o rve re i ste s van Arti ke l 2 1 2 (4 ) va n di e

Stra fp ro se swe t 5 1 /19 7 7 vo ld o e n . Ek e rke n du s d a t di e

i nh o u d va n di e l yksko ui n g sve rsl a g ge me rk

10 a a ng e h eg is as ŉ be w ysstu k. Ek e rken da t di e o o rsaa k

b e skul d ig d e , ag b a re . Wa t be sku l di g d e 2 be tre f:

15 " Fo rmel e e rke n n in g s ge ma a k de u r be sku l di g de 2 in te rme

va n Arti ke l 22 0 va n We t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Ek, die

o n de rg e te ken d e , Zu yn Lo u ren s, ve rkla a r h i e rme e e k i s

te e n my. Ek erke n d ie vo l g en d e fe i te vryw il l ig l i k e n

fo rme l e e rke nn i n g s g e no tu l e e r w o rd i n te rme va n Arti ke l

2 2 0 va n di e Stra fp ro se sw e t 51 /1 9 7 7 . Me t be tre kki ng to t

o o rl e d en e i n d ie sa a k, Joh a n ne s Ma h oo n Wil d sch u t, ŉ

25 vo lw a sse ma n i s. Ek erke n da t d ie l ig g a a mske tti n g w a t

2 2 .1 0 .20 1 8 /1 4 :3 5 -15 :2 2 /D H /...