CCTV

Post 118

For dBa measurement you'll need a sound meter/DB meter/decibel meter. Price at
RM2xx locally. So far I haven't seen any local swiftlet farmer using it yet.
Night vision CCTV should be regarded as standard gear. Even my store-room size farm
got 1.(same model as attached pic). I've seen farm installed up to 8 units of IR camera. Be
sure to get CCD sensor based camera. CMOS sensor based is dirt cheap but poor picture
quality. Mine the spec is 1/4" CCD with 24 IR leds. 1/3" will be better quality for longer
sight range. You can monitor whatever inside the farm without the need to enter the farm.
Intall a Streamyx line then you can monitor from any place with broadband connection
world wide.
There's feedback from hygrostat supplier. The price is around RM400. The same model
as the pics I posted before where a local/indonesia swiftlet equipment company selling at
RM850 firm. It's a 3 in 1 device. It can be a timer on/off switch, a thermostat. i.e. trigger
by temperature. 3)Hygrostat - trigger by humidity level. So anybody interested to buy?
Myself getting 2 units.

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Post 120

The CCTV depend on how many camera you want to use. The need for recording and
online viewing. The distance from each camera to the monitoring room. Nowadays
installing CCTV pretty cheap already. Mine all DIY. If don't want DIY can hire those
CCTV installers. Nowadays more and more people doing this.
1) CCD sensor based 24LED-30LED IR camera is around RM200-RM300 each. (Mine
below RM200 because dealer price. Need RM2K/ invoice)Be sure to get those with
water-proof housing.

2) Cable. Use only real coaxial cable. No TV wire. Got RG59 or RG58 spec. RG59 is
75Ohm range from RM70 to RM100 / 300feet in 1 box. RG58 is 50Ohm & slightly
smaller size. But RG58 is softer cable. Easier to do wiring job. RM50-RM80 per box
100Meter. Both spec price difference depend on China made or US made.

3)BNC connectors. Get those screw in type. Very comvenient no need soldering or
clipping tools. Be sure to match your cable size. RG59 and RG58's BNC different size.

4) DV Recorder with network/Online viewing support. - RM880 - RM1000

4 channels, no need to use PC. Just pair up with a TV. Price come with no HardDisk.

5) Installation work. Normally RM120-RM150 per camera.

6) Internet. You'll need a phone line/account then a Streamyx A/C lah.

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Post 128

QUOTE(weihow_2000 @ May 4 2007, 09:55 AM)

Hows the quality? can show me the picture quality?

Here's pic quality for a few types of camera. Night vision mode will appear in grey. Will
post that later at night. First pic is from 1/4" CCD IR Night vision Cam. 2nd is 1/3" CCD
Dome Cam without IR. 3rd pic is sucky CMOS cam. Don't expect picture quality like
digital camera lah they're video cams.

Added on May 8, 2007, 2:02 pm

QUOTE(abarai @ May 5 2007, 02:48 PM)
ok, hope some of you guys can help.

my relatives they live in some old pre-war house in penang where they have stayed for
umpteen years. recently one fella bought the next door house and turn it into a swiftlet
farm. the sound is bloody noisy and irritating and my relatives really cannot tahan.

i'm not against swiftlet farming per se, but please la have some empathy and common
sense. how can you do this between 2 houses where there are ppl (including old ppl and
children) staying? actually the whole stretch there are occupied either by families or some
small businesses (like sundry shop, clinic, etc). i really wonder how they get the license
to do so.....some neighbours claim they probably bribed the approving officer.

so, i hope you guys have some suggestions how to cope with this problem. i'll try
complaining to the local council but if its true someone "makan" i doubt it'll work. since
you guys are experts at making the swiftlets come, maybe you'll know ways how to keep
the swiftlets away too? maybe some counter-noise? or certain smell the birds don't like?

if the venture not successful, then maybe the fella will give up and go somewhere else
la... please help!!!

Chirping sound too loud problem is actually the biggest problem any where in Malaysia.
Many new farmers think the louder the better where it acutally not. Internal sound of over
40DB will appear un-natural, unreal to swiftlets. We fake the sound but don't want the
swiftlet know it's fake. Overtuned tweeter will sound fake. For external sound is the
longer range the better. But not to set the volume to very loud on bare tweeters. Farmers
should use long range tweeters to boost the range and less disturbance to nearby neibours.
Long range tweeters will double the range of chirping sound and cut down half the sound
that distrurb the neibours.
If 5 lots away still can hear loud and clear is very loud. Probably over 70DB for single
tweeter. Under licensing rule the external chirping sound is only allowed from 7:30am to
7:30pm. As for internal sound must not exceed 40DB at all time.
You should gather up those victims and talk nicely to the owner. Ask him to turn down
the volume as it's too loud. Otherwise ask some wakil rakyat as middle man to do the
talking. Swiftlet farm is not a small investment. Since he invested so much already it's not
easy to just chase him away. Of course there are lots of ways to make swiftlets won't
come or chase swiftlet away. The problem is when this happen, the owner might turn on
the volume even LOUDER and louder to lure swiftlet to come. I've seen some not so
successful farms did that. They keep incresing the volume every week. Still not much
result. They only make the neibours suffer.

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24 leds 1/4" CCD IR night vision camera in completely dark environment.

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Post 1148

QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 30 2008, 11:13 PM)

anyone know about the latest 3G camera phone to install in BH?

You mean this product? 3G EYE?

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3G eye,,,about 1 year ago product .cost about 700+ n many places got sell....just plug in
an 019 or 012 sim card than plug into ac plug with the converter tat come toghether.DC
power n non wire...once u dail the sim card number with yr 3G phone then u can view the
places tat u locate the eye,,also can be adjust up,down ,left n right with yr HP.but make
sure tat location got 3G coverage.
westwing ah,,,either its Lee talking here or its his son i think.e building sold fr 1.7M tat
start at 1.5M right, cause my fren brought it....when count its 3800+pcs n we think its the
cheapest bh in this world with those result n much more room to be renovate.either its an
worth sell or n worth buy ,u know yr self lah.
now have 3 yah n coming another 2 right,,,but i think u will be singing song name
"YESTERDAY"

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Post 1159

In my humble opinion multi channel DVR with infra-red cameras + broadband internet
access is more practical than 3G EYE. Personally I'm selling both 3G EYE and DVR
with IR cams at my shop for RM750 each. The only good thing is it's fairly easy to set
up. Just insert a 3G activated sim card. Owner's 3G mobile phone will have to sms a
specific code for authentication. Not all 3G phones can access to the 3G EYE. Only
owner's phone and few other numbers that owner allowed and set into the system. The IR
lens can be controlled left and right but not up and down. Up and down have to manually
set by hand. Note that the 3G signal must be strong enaugh to initiate video calls. The
recording memory is limited to size of T-Flash memory card. If only want to install 1
cam then 3G EYE is ok. For those who want to install 4 or more camera channels then
DVR is more econimical.

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Post 1162

QUOTE(seeseng @ Jul 2 2008, 07:07 PM)

In my humble opinion multi channel DVR with infra-red cameras + broadband internet
access is more practical than 3G EYE. Personally I'm selling both 3G EYE and DVR
with IR cams at my shop for RM750 each. The only good thing is it's fairly easy to set
up. Just insert a 3G activated sim card. Owner's 3G mobile phone will have to sms a
specific code for authentication. Not all 3G phones can access to the 3G EYE. Only
owner's phone and few other numbers that owner allowed and set into the system. The IR
lens can be controlled left and right but not up and down. Up and down have to manually
set by hand. Note that the 3G signal must be strong enaugh to initiate video calls. The
recording memory is limited to size of T-Flash memory card. If only want to install 1
cam then 3G EYE is ok. For those who want to install 4 or more camera channels then
DVR is more econimical.

For new BH, I think that the 3G Eye is beautiful and it is flexible. You can put it in any
place and can view it immediately without any wire or expertise required. Just my
opinion and for that I haven't tried the 3G Eye yet.

As for the DVR multi channel with IR cameras with broadband, I found it rather difficult
to install and use.....with wire here and there, not for DIY guy like me. I have 2 DVRs
and I still haven't install them in my BHs yet.
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Post 1169

3G EYE come with a comprehensive manual in English and Malay so just follow the step
by step instruction on installation and setting up. I got 1 unit in stock but never setup
before because my phone no 3G video call support. The lens size is very small if compare
to CCTV cams. Much like a pin hole camera lens. From the photo I previously posted
you guys and actually see how small is the lens. A pin hole in the middle only. So the
viewing angles is small and range is quite short. Good thing is can rotate 45degree left
and right. Following the instruction manual setting up shouldn't be a problem. One of the
problem with this gadget is up down viewing angle very limited. Either straight front or
around 20 degree upwards. Need to be place on at least 3 feet high platform in order to
get a good view. The tested picture quality in office no problem. In dark places the
quality degraded. Pretty blurry especially further range. I predict if use in BH the picture

quality can puke blood.

For multichannel DVR + IR cams with online viewing features one must have certain
level of computing knowledge in order to set up yourself. Installation of hardware is
pretty simple. IR CCTV cams run on 12v DC adapter and all come with wall mounted
stands. To extend the length from control room to the place in BH which we install the
cam just use 2 core wire. Those white colour with blur stripe on 1 wire. As for signal wire
I would personally recommend real CCTV wire (RG59 75ohm coaxial cable) instead of
cheap TV wire. Price for a roll of RG59 cable is RM70. For signal connector just get the
screw in type. Just strip the front of wire a bit and screw in the connector. No soldering
needed. 1 cam will need 2 BNC connectors 1 at cam and 1 at DVR. Price around RM2-3
each. Once connected power and signal you'll be able to view video on the TV.

For online viewing you'll need a modem router connected to a streamyx line with
activated account. Please note that the modem router must support dynamic DNS and
port forwarding. We must apply for a dynamic DNS account and hostname at
www.dyndns.org . Most DVR only support hostname with dyndns.org extension so when
choosing hostname choose this one. As for DVR side there should be a setting up manual
to help you configure it. When purchasing DVR and router modem you can request the
shop to apply for you the dynamic DNS a/c and pre-configure the system. Of course you
must provide the DVR manual your activated Streamyx username and password to be
configure into the router modem. If purchasing both DVR and router modem from the
same shop even easier for them to pre-configure. Once configured we just plug in
everything and ready to go.
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Post 1288

QUOTE(Swiftlet Lim @ Jul 20 2008, 10:17 AM)

Hi all sifus here, I am new and I have check out this website www.pearlnest.com, the
package offered in this itinery is very impressive, i just want to know if the price charge
is what normally charge by consultants. Just want to make sure before i call the company.

For everyone's info i have included the package here, many thanks again.

"With only RM 23,800 you can now

A security device or CCTV and

infra red will be installed to monitor unwanted intruder such as the burglar and other
predator. 

Our package are listed below:-

Cd external and internal

High power amplifier 
Good quality 10 external Tweeter 
40 internal tweeter
Humidifier
special water pump
Hygrometer
3CTV & 1 Infra red
corner board with treated medicine
Meranti wood ( 2 ton)
Cable and wire
Artificial Bird Nest
Pearlnest Special Or dour
Pearlnest Special Hormone
Pest control
Bird Dropping
Troubleshooting for one year
24 times visit to farm
This package only apply to intermediate shoplot with a size of not more then
1600 sqfeet.

Terms and conditions apply.

BONUS FOR FIRST 10 CUSTOMER ONLY

Why choose us?

We provide 24 hours security system

24 hours on call to repay or change your audio player
Medicine are been supply through out the year
Bird survey are done weekly
We guranttee your farm will be sucessful or your money back.
We buy your bird nest with a current market price
No gimmicks and all transaction are cash
We provide quality sound system"

After reading the above good offer,my heart and soul really moved. But,there is a few
doubts that make me feel puzzled.

1) RM23,800 for 1,600 sf ? Average area of one floor is 20'x60',20'x70' or

20'x80'.So,RM23,800 is for only one floor. Nowadays,do you think that a serious investor
would do only one floor?

2) 24 hours security system? Do you think that buglars would visit a new BH of less
than a year old?
3) Pest control? Why do we need that for a new BH?

4) Bird dropping? Dont tell me that this consultant still resolves to the spankling of bird
droppings to attract birds?

5) 24 times visit to farm in a year,i.e. once in 2 weeks. Plus bird survey done weekly
for one year or till the BH is successful? Do you think it is practical or realistic? Or
unless they set up a branch office next to my new BH.

6) Guarantee of farm success or money back and no GIMMICKS and all

transactions are in cash?
Why not this way,I would prefer to POST PAY RM 50,000 that I dont bother how this
consultant is going to use and do on my BH,and he can keep the keys,just as long as there
is no less than 50 genuine nests in one year. I am prepared to enter into any agreement
with a bank guarantee to GUARANTEE payment. I think this should be a WIN-WIN for
both parties. Well,any taker?
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Post 1343

QUOTE(tongserseng @ Jul 29 2008, 05:00 PM)

Dear all sifu...........

Any recomendation for installing cctv for one month old BH with got one half nest ?
Need to find out the budget first before decide which one is more suitable to use. Thanks
all sifu............

If you install CCTV inside BH,you will need IR Camera where you can watch their
flying patterns in your farm and to find out if birds' flying paths are obstructed.

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Post 1346

QUOTE(tongserseng @ Jul 29 2008, 05:00 PM)

Dear all sifu...........

Any recomendation for installing cctv for one month old BH with got one half nest ?
Need to find out the budget first before decide which one is more suitable to use. Thanks
all sifu............

In case you're DIY you'll need these stuff to set up a CCTV system.

1/3" CCD 24LED IR bullet shape Camera with DC Adapter - RM200 each

DVR 4 channel with online - RM800 without HDD (Without online RM600)
DVR 8 Channel with online & remote control - RM1600 without HDD (Without online
RM1300)
DVR 16 Channel with online & remote control - RM1800 without HDD
RG59 Cable 100m - RM80
Blue white 2 core wire 75m - RM20
A cheap TV
For online view you'll need a Streamyx line + Router modem that support Dynamic DNS

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Post 1358

QUOTE(tongserseng @ Jul 30 2008, 11:28 AM)

Dear Seeseng,

For online view how much is the cost for streamyx line + router moderm that support
dynamic DNS ? Is the system can save the view data for past one or two weeks as a back
up ? DVR 16 Channel with online & remote control..... that means one moderm can
support 16 ir camera ? will it affect the quality of the view ? and what is the remote
control function ? Thanks in advance 

Streamyx line cheapest deal now should be RM60 combo. Unlimited usage 364k
downstream 128k upstream with lousy modem include fixed line rental. Router modem
with DDNS support around RM200 or lower. Quantity of data saving depend on few
factor. Size of HDD normally max 500GB some DVR like the 16 channels can use 2
HDD so max up to 1TB. Type of recording. Nobody use 24 hrs recording because HDD
full pretty fast. Normally we set motion recording. Whenever the camera detects motion
it will start record. Can set 5-10 seconds. Video quality determine the size of files. Like
the 16 channels I'm selling have 4 quality levels(even lowest quality still acceptable to
view) and multiple FPS(Frame per second) Normally I set 12fps. In a non-air cond
environment running 24/7 the HDD normally "kong" very often so I use timer to on and
off so the DVR can rest. With 500GB can store up to few months of motion recording.
You can set to HDD full stop recording or auto overwrite the old video when full. Online
view performance depend on line condition and speed. Full frame is impossible at online
view. Can get 12fps consider very good. When oline view 1 screen showing all 16 cams
at the same time will be laggy. But will u use up all 16 channels? You can choose any
particular camera to let it view full screen. Then it will be smoother. When under IR
mode it will be black & white and viewing range not over 15m. Can still see birds flying
around no problem. Want quality good until can count bird feathers sorry lah.
The remote control is like a TV or VCD remote control. Easier to do set up and viewing
on-site. All buttons in 1 hand.

Added on July 31, 2008, 12:59 am

QUOTE(khlock @ Jul 30 2008, 03:41 PM)
Hi, see seng,
How is the movie quality ?  Speed is fast or Slow motion ?  Can I backup the data from
remote pc ??  Can I have a

online demo viewing  before I buy it ??

Thanks.

Movie quality can be set. Speed depend on Streamyx line. Max around 15fps for online
view. On-site view full frame and depend on the recording FPS you set. When online
view you can choose to view the data in the DVR HDD. Can do backup with USB port
and LAN mode when on-site. You want to buy from me? Online demo viewing can be
arranged. MSN me caraip02@hotmail.com

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Post 1402

IP cams are easier and less hassle to set up but still need some technical know how. It
does not do recording by itself to do recording need to hook up to a PC and it's expensive
if you're setting up more cams. Smooth or laggy all depend on your server part uploading
speed and client part downloading speed. Nothing related to the product.

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Post 1615

QUOTE(Jackie11 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:05 AM)

Hi All

I was warned of those red infra red light emitted by those cameras of CCTV.  According
to some people, they believed that the birds are scared of the red light.

Can anyone here to advise me on this issue? Seeseng, what is your opinion since you
have installed?

Many thanks

Human over-sensitive. There're so many BHs with IR CCTV nowadays. Installed

myself and installed 3 sets of customers. All no problem. Birds fly very close to IR
cams without fear at all sometimes so close the the bird almost cover up the whole
screen. All using 24LED 1/3 inch CCD IR cams. 1/4" also ok just the visible range
shorter.

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