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Left Alive- January 1985 Marxism Today 15

'Prospects for the Left' Debate

The balance of forces doesn't look promising for the Left. In spite Britain at this present moment? How are
of everything the Right continues to hold the political initiative, the forces for and against the Left dis-
posed? When one looks at the political
while the Left has barely begun the vital work of renewing and situation, can one say that the balance of
transforming its project. political forces is such as to suggest that the
immediate prospects for socialism look
favourable? Do the broad political forces

Faith, Hope or which are necessary for any decisive turn


to the left in Britain look stronger, better
organised, on the offensive on a broad
range of fronts and more in commond of
the initiative than they did two or five years

Clarity ago? Does the Left look like the kind of


alliance capable of putting socialism as a
political project back on the agenda - and
doing so in a way which is capable of
winning mass majority popular support in
the country? I do not believe that any
Stuart Hall serious analyst of politics can answer these
strategic questions in the affirmative. And
LET ME START by saying that I regard I do not differ substantially from the that is the issue on which I substantially
this not as a debate in which one tries to characterisation of the state of the country differ from Tony Benn.
score easy points - the issues at stake are under the Thatcher government which he An assessment of the current balance of
too important for that - but as a serious has offered. Nor do I find myself in forces resolves itself into basically two
discussion about the current prospects for disagreement about the broad direction of aspects. The first has to do with the
socialism and the Left. I have long change which he argues is historically now character and relative strength of the
admired Tony Benn for some of the required in this society. But the argument Right; the second has to do with the
courageous positions he has taken in the is not about these questions. The argu- strength, unity and prospects for the Left.
labour movement. Nevertheless, I differ ment between us resolves itself principally Everything that I want to say can really be
substantially from the main thrust of what into a strategic question which, may I add, largely resumed under those two headings.
he has just said in one respect in particular, Marxism Today has played the key role in But let me first, as an aside, respond to
which however is of fundamental import- placing on the political agenda. The ques- Tony Benn's charge of 'pessimism'. It will
ance. tion is: what is the balance of forces in undoubtedly emerge, as I go on, that I am
Stuart Hall and Tony Benn at the Left A live conference, 1984.

quite pessimistic about the current politic- estly and ruthlessly as they find it. 'Pessim- gan, not with Mrs Thatcher's overwhelm-
al climate. I am sorry about that. I don't ism of the intellect, optimism of the will': ing majority in 1983, but with the ultimate
enjoy it. Pessimism is not my natural that was Gramsci's watchword and I do not collapse and disintegration of the Cal-
temperament or state of mind. In fact, in hesitate to say that it will do for me too. laghan government in the mid-70s and the
my view the question of pessimism is haemorrhaging of popular support to the
neither here nor there. The issue is not The concept of Thatcherism Right which followed.
whether I am pessimistic or not, but Now we can briefly start with the Right. I Why, then, insist on the distinctive
whether I am correct in my analysis of the have used the term Thatcherism and I character of Thatcherism? The first reason
current situation. I am not here to engage insist on it. It is ludicrous to suggest that is that, of course, although Thatcherism as
in a trade off with anyone as to which of us by doing so, one over-personalises the a political and ideological force owes a
can best rally the troops. Rallying the Right. Just as Stalinism is not attributable great deal to traditions which have been
troops has its place in politics, but this is to Stalin alone, so Thatcherism, as a active in the ruling class, on the Right and
not such an occasion. The question is, political formation, is not limited to the in the Conservative Party for a very long
rather, being realistic about what there is person of the prime minister. One uses it in period of time, we have not seen that kind
for the troops to be optimistic about. And order to insist on the specific and distinct of political engagement, right across the
this thought, awkward as it is, leads me to character of the new Right as a political political spectrum, by a political force on
speak, briefly, of another: the responsibili- formation. The description of this session the Right at any time since the war.
ties of intellectuals. in the programme for the weekend spoke Secondly, as a political force, the new
Ours remains a deeply anti-intellectual about the major blow to the labour move- Right combines new and old elements. It
movement. Of course, intellectuals have ment and the Left represented by the 1983 draws on the old lexicon of organic, patrio-
much to atone for in the labour movement: general election. Of course. It was a mas- tic Toryism, but it combines this with a
their lack of involvement in the struggle, sive, major defeat inflicted on the whole of virulent brand of neo-liberal economics
their lack of centrality in active politics, the Left by this new political formation. and an aggressive religion of the market. It
often, their divorce from the experiences The only question is, why was it unex- is this novel combination which has estab-
and aspirations of ordinary working peo- pected? The trend has been perfectly clear lished a kind of popular bridgehead in the
ple. Nevertheless, in addition to duties, for all optimists to see since 1979. Any- community at large. Of course, there have
intellectuals also have responsibilities to body who really understands British poli- been popular Conservative governments
the movement. And their prime responsi- tics, and who is not bemused by the idiotic before - right through the 19th and 20th
bility is to analyse in depth the situation psephology which passes for political centuries. But what is particularly novel is
which confronts us so that our analysis analysis these days, knows that 1979 was that the new Right succeeded in its effort
may inform political action and strategy, not simply an electoral reverse, it was a to establish itself as the radical political
and prepare people to be better armed profound and damaging political reversal. force, the political force that was going to
intellectually, theoretically, politically, in As is always the case in British politics, the change things. One of the most astonishing
the struggle that lies ahead. Intellectuals electoral landslide of 1983 was not the signs of the reversal in the 1979 election
can only discharge that duty if they are cause but the result, the symptom, of a was to hear Mr Callaghan complain that
prepared to speak of the situation as hon- much deeper political reversal which be- the radical Right meant to tear the old
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system up by the roots. And we had been so far the Left cannot prevent the massive under particular historical circumstances
foolish enough to imagine that tearing privatisation going on in industry, has things have not worked out in the pre-
society up by the roots was what socialism succeeded, where the defence of the wel- dicted way, we have comforted ourselves
was about! fare state is concerned, with staving off with predictions about the ever rising
The harsh, uncomfortable fact is that massive cuts only in the National Health tempo of class struggle, or fallen back on
the Right was able sufficiently to identify Service, cannot prevent the dismantling of conspiracy theories - all would be well if
itself as a kind of populist political force, the GLC and the metropolitan boroughs, the movement were not misled by what
able to connect its message with some of has not so far reversed the widespread Tariq Ali charmingly called the 'pink
the actual, real discontents which people unpopularity of the unions, and has no way professors'. There is no need to engage in
were experiencing under Labour. Furth- of guaranteeing the kind of success for the struggle for that difficult terrain where
er, the evidence is clear that, however miners which was achieved in 1972 and 'hearts and minds' are won and lost. The
temporarily, the new Right made an effec- 1974. band of the faithful will do it. Now I am in
tive penetration into the very heartland of Now I think what I have been describing favour of faith, especially when it moves
the traditional support for the Left and the is a political defeat, a political throwback, a mountains. But, not being religious, I am
labour movement. It displaced reformist reversal of a very profound kind. I have no dubious about faith without some other
politics from the centre of the political investment in the term Thatcherism itself, visible means of support. On its own, faith
stage and began to swing people: to pro- but I think it undermines our understand- has never created socialism.
vide people with the terms, not necessarily ing of how profound the political reversal Why is it that the Right has been able to
with the profound conviction, but with is simply to say there is nothing new, the exercise political authority in this way? In
plausible reason enough to win to its side part it has to do with the relationship
important sectors of the community. The between the different political forces and
new Right was able to disorganise the Left, Just as Stalinism is not the whole society. One disastrous aspect of
to deepen the unpopularity of the unions
and anti-union sentiment, to attack direct-
attributable to Stalin alone, the Left's response to the 1979 and 1983
elections is the idea that the Left can, as it
ly those elements of the postwar consensus so Thatcherism. . .is not were, mount a resistance when it is re-
which, though of course they did not limited to the person of the quired and generate the kind of popular
constitute socialism, must inevitably con- solidarity and support which is needed to
stitute the basis and groundwork in Britain
prime minister halt the Right's advance, by rallying the
for the socialist case. If you cannot, in a already converted, from within itself
country like ours, with its deep divisions of new Right is just the old class enemy in a alone. This is the view that Tony Benn
class and its massive inequalities, sustain new disguise. If you say it's just the old came close to justifying, that by organising
intact the popular case for welfare social- enemy, apart from misreading its particu- and consolidating its own already commit-
ism, what is the evidence that the transi- lar political complexion, you might be ted ranks, by strengthening and deepening
tion to socialism proper is at hand? tempted to believe that the Left can fight it those forces which are already mobilised,
in just the old ways. Its political program- that that will be sufficient to win the
A political defeat me and ideas are represented as simply struggle.
And now, in spite of massive unemploy- 'their' ideology, nothing whatsoever to do
ment, the extensive deindustrialisation of with us: the Left can go on its sweet way, Class - reality not rhetoric
the British economy, despite the fact that addressing its own supporters in its own, Now my own view is that, although orga-
the Right now propagates an explicitly old tried ways. I have to say that I think nising around existing left forces and the
class view of society, where it is planned to that way of understanding how political organised labour movement is an absolute
off-load the costs of the recession on to the ideas find root in the actual experience of prerequisite of an effective fightback, it is
backs of the working class, the Left still people is absolutely incorrect. not enough to displace the new Right. The
cannot generate the broad, sweeping, It represents a kind of automotism on Left must also be able, on its own prog-
emergent movement of opposition and the Left. The ruling class has its ideas, and ramme, with its own project, to engage the
resistance; the electorate do not regard the working class has the expected revolu- society as a whole, to become representa-
Labour as a credible political alternative. tionary consciousness: all you have to do is tive of society as a whole, to generalise
In my view, despite its many disasters and to present the latter with the correct slo- itself throughout society, to bring over
the mobilisation around the miners' strike, gans and policies. Or, their fathers and strategic popular majorities on the key
the Right is still in place as the leading grandfathers voted Labour and they are issues, to win converts, first of all among
political force in society. Certainly, going to go on doing so till the end of time. those sectors of its own class and those who
Thatcherism is not universally popular. It Or, because people have a particular socio- can come into alliance with it, but who
cannot resolve the basic problems of the economic position somehow they are going have in recent years not supported it. But
society and the economy. Thatcherism has to have the correct thoughts at the correct secondly, to make converts to its cause, to
never commanded universal assent on the moment. Again and again, the Left has carry the case to a widening set of consti-
political scene. But that is not what politic- operated with an analysis which leads it to tuencies, to polarise the society in new
al leadership is about. It's impossible in a expect the working class to turn up in an ways towards the left, to connect with new
society like ours. The question is: can it already united form, in its appropriate experiences in society, to engage with its
lead the key sectors? Can it win the place in the frame, so to speak. And when increasing complexity and in that way to
strategic engagements? Can it stay in front it fails to do so, instead of going back and make socialism grow in relevance to the
when challenged? The awkward fact is that trying ruthlessly to examine why it is, why emerging experiences as well as the tradi-
18 January 1985 Marxism Today

tional experiences of our time. of that kind does exist, but it is a strange disorganise their previous commitments to
There may be historical scenarios when historical construct and has precious little the labour movement and the Left.
socialism can and has to be built without to do with Marxist analysis or socialist
becoming the politics of the popular ma- politics. What we are talking about are the The state of the Left
jorities of society, but the precedents for it real changes which are going on in the Now I don't think that we can frame an
are not good, and in any case Britain is not working class: not just political changes, adequate project or strategy for the revival
at the moment a place where such a but changes in the way in which the class is of socialism and the Left unless and until
scenario has the slightest credibility. But constituted, how classes themselves and we have come to terms with the dimension
that means coming out of our own, self- their relationships are always made and of the problem: that is to say, with the
imposed ghetto, whether that ghetto is the remade in a crisis. If we know anything novelty of the new Right and its capacity to
labour movement, or the trade union from our historical past, it is that crises are develop, between 1975 and 1984, a form of
movement, or the Labour Party: coming periods of reconstruction as well as decon- hegemonic politics, that is to say, a form of
out and engaging with society as a whole. It struction. Changes move and accelerate politics which, while not universally popu-
doesn't only mean engaging with the new more rapidly when the normal defences are lar, was able to fight and establish its
sectors, new issues and new movements on weakened and the normal operations of position on one front after another. The
the Left. It also means engaging with the society are suspended, in a crisis. new Right was able to generate a notion of
many positions and aspects of class experi- What one is saying is: look at the social, what the whole society was or should be
ence which are not currently touched by or economic, cultural forces which are con- about; it gave people a picture of what 'a
reflected in the ways in which socialism is stantly remaking and revolutionising the whole way of life' was about. The fact that
defined. Let us not allow ourselves here to society, including its class dynamic. Look we find that picture degrading does not
be confused by rhetorical appeals on this at how class constantly reworks other undermine the fact that Thatcherism pre-
question of class. I am afraid I think Tony issues and contradictions in society. Un- sented people with a philosophy of life, of
Benn grossly misrepresented the question less the Left can develop political prog- what the whole society was like. By con-
trast, who can say with confidence what a
socialist Britain would be like to live in?
This brings us to the other side of the
equation - the Left. It seems clear that the
Right used the negative experience of
social democracy in the 60s and 70s to
establish their own case. A counter phi-
losophy or image of the society of that kind
does not at present exist on the Left and all
of Tony Benn's heroic efforts to conjure
one out of the past, important though that
recovery of socialist tradition is, cannot
replace the need for a picture of socialism
in the 21st century.
How do we assess the current strength
and unity of the forces of the Left? Un-
doubtedly the miners' strike has released
enormous confidence and energy on the
Left. But our political futures are unlikely
to be decided by any single engagement,
however strategic. Let us look across the
board at how the Left has faced up to the
undermining of some of its basic positions
and support since Labour gave up all
semblance of reformism in the mid-70s
and itself opened up the pathway into
monetarism and 'economic realism'.
of class by caricaturing our argument as if rammes which are adequate to this shifting The growth of the Left in constituency
we had advanced some notion that class is reality, which adequately reflect the actual Labour Parties is obviously of crucial
disappearing or the class system has been variety of social experiences, it is perfectly importance here: such a change in political
abolished, and with it the basis of the possible for the Left to lose its purchase on tempo inside the party itself obviously has
socialist case. No one could seriously sus- the political imagination of the masses and important consequences in terms of pre-
tain such a case. for the Right to develop forms of address, paring socialist positions, and so on. But it
What is being debated, and has to be, is language and appeal which, while lacking is clear from the last two elections that the
what the real composition of the working the capacity really to transform their exist- socialist response to the new Right cannot
class in advanced industrial capitalist ence, nevertheless present people with be built from inside the Labour Party
societies is today. Do its experiences, plausible ways of making sense of their alone. Secondly, what is happening is
aspirations and agendas remain what they experience; ways which bend them to- more a capturing of positions and initia-
have always been, untouched by time and wards political support for the Right or tives inside the party by the resolute Left.
history? A sentimentalised version of class which, at the very least, undermine and It does not - with some important excep-
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tions - involve a real popular surge of relationship with those new social forces and generalise the miners' strike, winning
socialist feeling inside the Labour Party of which are at once also, in the main, part of converts to this fundamental socialist case
a kind which looks capable of convincing the working class. The one thing I am sure in all sectors of society, is one of the most '
the population as a whole that Labour is a of is that the problem cannot be resolved crippling defeats that has already hap-
credible political alternative to the Right. without the construction of a major set of pened inside the labour movement. Be-
I think there are two problems here. alliances around the labour movement and cause the political case for the miners has
One has to do with the nature of the that in turn cannot develop without trans- to be a case not confined to miners and
Labour Party itself, and the Left's concep- forming the nature of socialist organisation mining communities only, or indeed to the
tion of the party's relationship to society. on the Left and indeed redefining the trade unions, or indeed to the working
The Left seems to think somehow that if it socialist project itself. It can't be done by class. It has to be a case which unites the
is able to change the tempo, the commit- evolving the Left stronger but in essential- cause of the class with the sense of justice
ment, the vitality of political work, inside ly the same form in which it already exists. and fairness to the communities with a
the constituency parties, it will thereby It cannot be done without a rupture and wholly different conception of economic
inevitably change society. It's a curious change of relationships inside the labour need and with a broader policy for energy.
way which people in the Labour Party movement. The labour movement is going Precisely, it is an example of where, to win
have of identifying the party with the to have to change the nature of its organisa- the class argument, class and society wide
world. The fact is, of course, that the tion, the nature of its hierarchies and its issues have to be constructed together into
political fightback against the new Right culture in order to reflect more accurately a broad, popular strategy, advancing and
has happened as effectively outside of the the actual range of forces and experiences winning converts on several fronts at once.
traditional echelons and organisation of which constitute 'the Left'. Until this To fight it as a narrow, sectional, class
the Labour Party as it has inside. And internal transformation in the labour issue is to lose its class content - and all the
unless one looks at the broad and varied movement occurs you will not have an heroism which has sustained the strike,
fronts of struggle which have brought instrument that is capable of generalising and the extraordinary new, emergent ele-
numbers of people into activity, one the struggle for socialism to the working ments surfacing within it - the linkage of
wouldn't be giving an adequate account of class on all the sites on which exploitation class and feminist activity, for example -
it. But then, one has to ask, what is the occurs, and indeed expanding it to the will be of no avail if the right kind of
relationship of the Labour Party to all society as a whole. politics cannot be developed, which is
those different forces that are in struggle commensurate to the issue, and fights it in
and actually compose 'the Left' on the a way relevant to the current disposition of
ground? The traditional view is that the fundamentally diverse forces in society. For example, how could
although the Labour Party welcomes sing- the miners 'win' unless by a politics which
le-issue campaigns, on the whole it con-
character of this thing which won back legitimacy for the trade unions
tinues to act as if, in the end, it will be is called 'the Left' and did something to reverse the tide of
capable of incorporating and subordinat- unpopularity which not only made the
ing all those other struggles and of doing so Right able to legislate against the unions
I am not sanguine about the capacity of with popular support, but resulted in a
without fundamentally transforming its
the Left to face up to the kind of fun- deep division of loyalty within the class
own internal structure, political character
damental reappraisal I believe to be neces- itself?
and project. Even though Tony Benn
sary. Of course I am immensely streng-
always scrupulously acknowledges the role
thened by particular events - forms of How is a political case of this order to be
of the new social movements, I detect
resistance, both planned and unplanned, built? It can only be built by the right kind
precisely this absorbative approach in his
both in the formal labour movement and of political leadership - a leadership aware
project too. I personally don't believe it's
outside it, which have resisted or set limits of the hostile context in which it is operate
possible.
to the encroachments of Thatcherism over ing. But, so far, all the politics of the
I think the only way in which Labour, or the last three or four years. Of course, we Labour Party has been able to inject into
any other political party on the Left for have to find ways of building on those the miners' strike is the delicate work of
that matter, should function is by recog- initiatives. But if you ask me to make a damage prevention, looking over its shoul-
nising the fundamentally diverse character sober assessment of whether the popular der to make sure that the fall-out on the
of this thing which is called 'the Left'. It is reception of Labour's programme in 1983 leadership was not too great. Now if that
impossible to foresee a point when all those represented an overwhelming vote of con- looks to you like a party with enough
struggles and movements come into line fidence by the majority of the population political imagination and 'feel' for the
inside the already established hierarchy of for a socialist programme - the claim current situation to put itself at the head of
social forces that constitute the existing which Tony Benn has recently made - I the different forms of struggle and to take
labour movement, settle their differences cannot tell you that this corresponds to my that struggle, not just into its own orga-
and resolve in the great scheme of things to reading of the evidence. I certainly believe nisations, but out into society and to
take their appointed place in the line and that people can be won for the socialist generalise the case for socialism on the
wait in turn, women behind men, blacks case, but it seems to me extremely danger- basis of it, then I would yield to a more
behind women, gays behind everybody. ous in this respect to confuse what one optimistic version of events. I honour
Waiting their turn. As a political project would like to happen with what is hap- Tony Benn's courageous efforts to 'gloss'
that seems to be absolutely dead: and yet I pening. the current situation in this way, but I
see little evidence that the Labour Party in I think, for example, that the failure of regret to say that, on this issue, I believe he
general is able to construct any new kind of the Labour Party to be able to politicise is whistling in the dark.

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