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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 07:42:48 ɐɯsɹǝıʍǝuǝɹ ɐɯsɹǝıʍǝuǝɹ changes his/her
nickname to doho123
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 07:59:16 seo hi
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:06:38 doho123 hello
pv_79a286cddc7ca5eba3a39f552d27702a_bab1498dbaa383bb56d99c6ba782d971 18/06/2008
08:12:32 Zzzzz-meeting... ...
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:11 Zzzzz-meeting... ugh
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:20 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz-meeting... changes
his/her nickname to Zzzzz
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08:13:20 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz-meeting... changes his/her nickname to
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:27 dnjkirk sure, just as I show uip
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:35 dnjkirk I call conspiracy!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:37 Zzzzz lol
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:45 Zzzzz the ugh was about my meeting ;)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:46 seo ugh!??? That's what you have to
comment on Dylan joining the chat?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:13:50 dnjkirk (which is really just a con's
piracy)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:14:30 Zzzzz yeah that guy just leeches off of
people... :P
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:14:38 Zzzzz oh sorry your here
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:14:48 Zzzzz did I say that outloud...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:14:56 Zzzzz BEEEEEeeeEeeeEEeeR!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:19 dnjkirk Speaking of which, I HAVE
BEER!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:22 dnjkirk all is forgiven
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:31 Zzzzz seo how was the chat with A.Moon
and Knizia
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:31 dnjkirk and I am off my medication
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:43 Zzzzz nice!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:15:58 seo it was fun until I tried to be seo
again
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:11 seo but the chat wanted me to keep
being René
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:31 dnjkirk dnjkirk changes his/her
nickname to René
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:34 seo and no matter what nick I used, it
reverted back to René automatically after one second
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:36 Zzzzz and the chat died too?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:45 seo I killed it
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:51 Zzzzz ah
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:16:56 seo brute force works wonders sometimes
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:17:11 René René changes his/her nickname to
Dr. Knizia
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:17:14 seo I just went to the server and
erased all the chat temp files
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:17:35 Zzzzz that often helps... I had to do
that for maintance too
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:01 Dr. Knizia
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Riten/20080507/1210111576
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:04 Dr. Knizia Genji reviews
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:22 Dr. Knizia
http://nobuz.blogspot.com/2008/05/genji.html
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:26 Dr. Knizia Dr. Knizia changes his/her
nickname to Dr. Kniziadnjkirk
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:34 Dr. Kniziadnjkirk Dr. Kniziadnjkirk
changes his/her nickname to dnjkirk
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:46 dnjkirk IN JAPANISCH!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:18:57 Zzzzz sounds and looks like a good review
to me :P
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:19:32 doho123
http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=018502
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:20:28 Zzzzz i have Genji in my cart on Though
Hammer, just looking for one more game to buy and I will be hitting the order
button!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:20:33 dnjkirk a few people are carrying it
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:20:39 seo 「うちの嫁が！
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:21:44 dnjkirk That is one of the comments I
liked
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:21:56 dnjkirk "HEY! My wife!"
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:22:13 doho123 can you read Japanese?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:22:30 seo no, but we can't either, so he can
pretend he can
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:23:00 seo or maybe he was just calling for
his Japanese wife to come and translate for him
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:25:23 dnjkirk I can read some
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:25:27 dnjkirk but not well or fast
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:25:36 doho123 can your wife?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:25:36 dnjkirk probably at a grade 3 or 4
level
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:25:53 dnjkirk she can, she's a Japanese
instructor
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:26:14 seo but you're a lousy student
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:26:40 dnjkirk I am, I married her and
started making her stay in my house.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:28:23 seo and cheap too! Marrying the teacher
so yuo don't have to pay the lessons
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:28:32 dnjkirk exactly
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:28:43 dnjkirk but I figured it was an
investment in the future
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:28:56 dnjkirk you know, Japanese, could
come in useful in a game one day.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:29:17 seo people who succeed being lousy,
lazy and cheap must be of exceptional intelligence :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:31:21 dnjkirk of course! :)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:31:43 dnjkirk my wife, on the other hand,
is a terrible judge of character
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:34:28 seo evidently!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 08:34:34 seo ;-)
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08:38:17 seo I was thinking yesterday: what about "act" instead of
"show"? Sounds better, doesn't it?
08:38:59 seo Show sounds like a spanish-speaking guy talking about
circus acts ;-)
08:39:07 seo Or is it the other way around?
08:40:47 seo Maybe the Show deck has 40 Act and 8 Ringmaster cards?
08:42:24 Zzzzz Sure
08:42:53 Zzzzz Yeah the terminology of Show or Act is tough to debate
08:43:18 Zzzzz I would have to say that most things at a circus are Acts,
but often refered to as shows
08:43:40 Zzzzz Oh before I forget you did see my one message yesterday
about Three Ring Cirus is already a game name?
08:46:10 Zzzzz looking at www.ringling.com they seem to imply the ENTIRE
thing is a show, and the show has multiple acts
08:47:09 seo yeah, sounds more like it
08:47:22 seo so Show deck of Acts and Ringmasters
08:47:29 seo I'm editing the entry right now
08:47:31 Zzzzz yepp
08:47:42 seo I'll fix that among other tiny details
08:47:42 Zzzzz you got the newest file?
08:47:57 Zzzzz i made other updates to it yesterday/last night
08:48:01 seo the one with the letter to Bryk
08:48:06 Zzzzz yepp
08:48:12 Zzzzz does that letter to Bryk sound good?
08:48:12 seo updated this morning
08:48:18 Zzzzz because it is true
08:48:19 seo perfect
08:48:47 Zzzzz i dont think either of us would have entered if we did not
work together
08:48:48 seo I just fixed "and initially the theme did[b]n't[/b] move
either of us"
08:49:03 Zzzzz yepp... fix away
08:49:08 seo :-)
08:49:16 Zzzzz i figure there will be multiple things you want to
change/fix, just make the changes
08:49:21 seo question: in Hire a Performer
08:49:31 Zzzzz shoot
08:49:40 seo you didn't mention the dicard a card face up after the draw
08:49:51 seo was that intentional or just forgot it?
08:50:04 Zzzzz i must have forgot...
08:50:26 Zzzzz glad you remembered!
08:50:40 seo I see benefits in both spending an action to get an extra
performer, and having to discard face up (which might help an opponent)
08:50:54 seo so I'm cool with or without discarding
08:51:07 seo you just deleted the file?
08:51:30 Zzzzz well the issue is if we do not discard, do you really allow
players to build up a *giant* hand of performers?
08:51:35 Zzzzz what???
08:51:37 Zzzzz no no
08:51:43 Zzzzz crap I tried to make a copy
08:51:52 seo Wendy did, then ;-)
08:52:04 Zzzzz ok I put it back... hopefully I did not screw you up
08:52:08 seo there it is again!
08:52:19 Zzzzz make sure i did not screw you up
08:52:27 seo I'm working on a copy
08:52:29 Zzzzz i just wanted a local copy so I could read/talk when you
asked questions
08:52:45 Zzzzz ah ok
08:52:49 seo once I'm done I'll replace the old one
08:53:11 seo so, discard or limit the hand to ... 8?
08:53:28 seo I think discard will ad some sort of interaction
08:53:39 seo or opponent-awareness
08:53:44 Zzzzz yeah I think the discard is needed....
08:53:51 seo ok
08:54:08 Zzzzz how about a max hand of 7, like most other games
08:54:33 seo I like the hand of 5 and draw/discard
08:54:49 Zzzzz ok... that works
08:54:56 Zzzzz for some reason I thought you wanted to change it lol
08:55:24 seo no, that was if we removed the discard
08:55:35 seo then we needed a hand limit
08:55:35 Zzzzz ah
08:55:59 seo I increased the markers to 30*6
08:56:09 seo and changed orange for Black
08:56:16 Zzzzz *The Greatest GAME on Earth* ?
08:56:24 Zzzzz sure
08:56:26 seo I like black, and orange is too close to red and yellow :-)
08:56:39 seo I like that name!
08:56:59 seo I wonder if Scott would consider it a pun or not ;-)
08:57:16 Zzzzz lol
08:58:13 seo I also wonder if the game will be rated PG-13 because one
of the available player actions now is "Perform an Act"
08:58:45 Zzzzz :(
09:00:36 Zzzzz oh and one area that I dont like is the *Common Shows*, wel
lI dont like how I wrote it so just make sure it sounds right to you.
09:00:48 Zzzzz or maybe it is just a layout issue
09:01:28 Zzzzz Might need *sections* or something like
09:01:32 Zzzzz Outring :
09:01:38 Zzzzz Inner Ring:
09:01:42 Zzzzz like I did above
09:01:53 Zzzzz In perform an act/show
09:01:59 seo I'll see what I can do
09:02:46 Zzzzz i am sure you will work the seo magic!
09:02:54 seo maybe in the "board" pic we can show which cards are the
inner ring and which the outer rings
09:03:30 seo so it's clear from the start
09:03:34 Zzzzz That makes sense
09:03:47 Zzzzz we can also highlight the common, as suggested by my crappy
image
09:04:15 seo yeah, but are they really common?
09:04:29 Zzzzz shared
09:04:35 Zzzzz common
09:04:36 seo you need 2 or 3 performers so score there?
09:04:40 Zzzzz they belong to both
09:04:52 Zzzzz belong to both inner and outer i thought
09:05:01 Zzzzz we talked about that
09:05:16 Zzzzz you have to complete those two *common* for both outer and
inner
09:05:43 Zzzzz scoring on outer removes all markers once scored and the
players have to *re perform* that act to complete the inner
09:05:59 seo ah, yeah, I forgot!
09:06:01 Zzzzz I would say they can stay as 2 to score
09:06:04 seo you're right
09:06:12 Zzzzz but you bring up a good point
09:06:20 seo 2 until the outer ring is closed, then 3
09:06:25 Zzzzz how do you know if they are performing for inner or outer
09:06:28 seo sounds ok
09:06:33 Zzzzz ah ok
09:06:53 seo gotta go pick up Catalina from School
09:07:09 seo she has tendinitis so she can't come on the bus
09:07:25 seo back in 15'
09:07:28 Zzzzz nice
09:07:29 Zzzzz later...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:30:17 Zzzzz pokes around...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:30:29 doho123 <ouch>
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:32:35 seo that was rude
09:32:44 seo back
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:35:35 Zzzzz waves his finger in the air
09:35:41 Zzzzz ah
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:35:49 doho123 <ow, my eye!>
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:36:11 seo that was an accident
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:37:20 Zzzzz tells the good people to watch the
little birdy...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:38:16 seo are you an exhibitionist?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:38:24 seo I am not looking, anyway
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:38:32 Zzzzz ummm
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:38:33 Zzzzz no
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:38:59 Zzzzz is it time to go home and work yet?
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:39:33 seo you should ask your boss about that
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:39:39 seo but seems a bit early
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:39:56 Zzzzz wonder what they would actually
say....
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:40:18 Zzzzz goes into office, hey boss I am
going home early I have to starting working
09:41:28 Zzzzz our game rocks!!! watch it get like 1 vote, or better yet
be the ONLY entry! :(
09:42:04 seo we will win, and beat a full field of competitors, you'll
see
09:44:18 Zzzzz i hope so, i dont like the unknown! i want to know right
now what people think!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:47:01 Zzzzz i need to go over to BGG and see
what other games use *only* card, set collection and area influence (of course I
say only because we use markers)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:47:44 seo shhhh!!!!!
09:47:58 seo that was silly! :-P
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:48:12 Zzzzz OOPS!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:48:16 Zzzzz OMG
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:48:17 Zzzzz asd
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:48:19 Zzzzz egf
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:48:47 Zzzzz so I went the the store the other
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:50:34 seo FF3 lets me type a lot of lines
quickly and it sends them as the chat reacts
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:50:39 seo :-)
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:51:16 dnjkirk ok all gone
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:51:28 clearclaw is impressed.
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09:51:44 seo done!
09:51:45 seo GOTB read it, though
09:51:47 seo too, I think
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:52:04 seo brb
09:52:13 Zzzzz yeah.. sorry
09:52:35 Zzzzz i really thought I was in the correct window :(
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:52:37 clearclaw (tired pinkie disorder or
bio-break?)
09:52:49 Zzzzz all that hard work and I hope I dont screw anything up on
the GDS entry!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 09:53:32 doho123 GamesOnTheBrain quit
(timeout)
09:57:25 seo my pics will tell us out anyway
09:58:11 Zzzzz true
09:58:12 Zzzzz lol
09:58:37 Zzzzz though still i screwed up... that sucks
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:17:13 Zzzzz get to work Zzzzz
http://kanga.nu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi Possibly better chat interface...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:35:40 sej-sleep LOL guys
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:35:49 sej-sleep ...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:39:12 SethJaffee why the .'s
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:39:16 SethJaffee what are we hiding
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:39:27 SethJaffee is seo still REne?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:39:34 doho123 SECRETS!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:39:35 Zzzzz nope...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:40:17 clearclaw We're on IRC dude.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:41:13 Zzzzz IRC RULZ!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:49:51 clearclaw2 SethJaffee quit (timeout)
10:51:47 Zzzzz blah
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:54:29 clearclaw dnjkirk quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 10:56:19 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to
Zzzzz-meeting...
10:56:19 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
10:56:19 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 11:08:27 Seth joins SpielTalk!
11:25:37 Zzzzz-meeting... get to work!
11:26:17 seo yeah, I will
11:26:18 seo LOL
http://kanga.nu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi Possibly better chat interface...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 11:53:23 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to
Zzzzz-meeting...
11:53:23 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
11:53:23 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
ch_seo 18/06/2008 11:53:23 Zzzzz-meeting... joins seo
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 11:53:25 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz changes his/her
nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
ch_seo 18/06/2008 11:53:25 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz changes his/her
nickname to Zzzzz-meeting...
11:53:25 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-
meeting...
meeting...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 11:54:33 Zzzzz-meeting... chatty chatty go bye bye
11:55:26 seo I changed Player markers to Applause markers. Whddayathink?
12:04:07 Zzzzz-meeting... nice touch!
12:05:27 seo :-)
12:15:05 Zzzzz-meeting... so do you plan to make an actual prototype of
this game once we are done? or do you think it will end with the GDS?
12:15:27 seo I think it's worth at least a virtual proto
12:16:06 seo but a real proto won't be too hard or expensive, and it's
nice to have something you can handle :-)
12:16:06 Zzzzz-meeting... true I forgot about that
12:16:37 seo ok after probably 6 rewrites, I have this:
12:16:48 seo For each Act located on an outer ring, only the player who
has the most Applause markers located on it is awarded VP equal to the total number
of Applause markers he had there. All other Applause markers on the Act are
discarded.
12:16:56 seo Once scored, the card is turned face down. Once all the
cards from the ring were scored, the ring remains closed for the remainder of the
game. A new Act card is dealt on the space shared with the inner ring.
12:17:13 Zzzzz-meeting... sounds good
12:17:47 Zzzzz-meeting... ooh nice shared change
12:18:13 seo and my idea is the inner ring can't be closed untill both
outer rings are
12:18:29 Zzzzz-meeting... yeah we might need to impose that
12:18:40 seo cause it would be strange and strategically unconvenient
otherwise
12:18:48 Zzzzz-meeting... i was hoping it would not be possible with
respect to the 2 for outer, 3 for inner, but
12:19:02 Zzzzz-meeting... we might need to mandate it
12:19:09 seo just in case
12:19:10 Zzzzz-meeting... one other thought
12:19:21 seo yes?
12:19:38 Zzzzz-meeting... since *all* other Applause markers I discarded,
do you see players wanting to complete for an act?
12:19:46 Zzzzz-meeting... are discarded*
12:19:58 seo compete?
12:20:13 Zzzzz-meeting... yeah compete for an act
12:20:20 Zzzzz-meeting... that entire sentence was typed wrong
12:20:36 Zzzzz-meeting... correct WHY would two players attempt to
compete for the same act?
12:20:45 seo I guess it would not be worthy if you have 10 markers, but
if you only have 4, I can easily get 5 or 6 and beat you
12:20:46 Zzzzz-meeting... just a random thought
12:20:55 Zzzzz-meeting... ok
12:21:03 Zzzzz-meeting... just checking since I see it playing out like
so:
12:21:26 seo I can score on the inner ring with just 1 (that wil be 2VP)
12:21:31 Zzzzz-meeting... seo puts markers on act 1, zzzzz on act 2, seo
on 2, zzzz on 4,.... close of outer ring, score
12:21:33 seo but that can be easy to beat
12:22:34 Zzzzz-meeting... my point is besides desire to beat you out of
points, I might score better elsewhere. and if I can score 1 on act 3, and not have
to spend 2x to *beat* you on act 2, why would I fight
12:22:40 seo I think players will fight A LOT for control of an act
12:22:54 Zzzzz-meeting... ok
12:23:13 Zzzzz-meeting... that is was my main concern, if you see it
*natrually* occuring that is fine.
12:23:21 seo let's say you scored Magician on outer with 0+1
12:23:22 Zzzzz-meeting... i was just worried that it would not really
happen
12:23:23 seo so you have just 1 marker
12:23:52 seo now I can score either Magician or Lion tamer with 1+1
12:24:37 seo I rather go for Magician, cause that will mean I have 2 vs
1 of yours, so I score 2VP and you 0
12:24:40 seo if I score Lion tamer, I score 2VP and you score 1VP
12:24:50 Zzzzz-meeting... right.. and hopefully the needs to fullfil
different acts will allow for a natrual distribution acrossed multiple acts
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:24:53 Seth I dunno if I like that other chat
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:04 Seth parts of it are good of course
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:17 seo yeah, this one is not that bad
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:38 Zzzzz-meeting... we will see, i need to
understand why this one is so rough, so often.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:40 Seth
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/23931/comment/843383#comment843383
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:43 seo speed and strength are good there,
but this UI is better
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:53 seo but maybe we can find a better UI
for IRC
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:25:56 Zzzzz-meeting... i am going to assume it
is not the providers since this chat seems to *fail* or flake out in multiple
places now
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:26:41 seo you mean phhfreechat has the same
problems on other servers?
12:27:32 Zzzzz-meeting... my worry with your example is that if the
distribution is not *good* we might have a game of you put 1, I put 2, you put 2, I
put 2, you put 3 , I put 4.... all dealing with the same act. that might get
boring. but since acts will need different performers, and you will select
different sets of performers, the player choices will naturally distribute to other
acts
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:28:13 Zzzzz-meeting... yeah this same issue
happened on our old ISP... and I tried it somewhere else too.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:28:38 Zzzzz-meeting... it seems to *destroy*
itself over time, not sure how or why but I could also be wrong
12:28:51 seo yes, I think we can control that with performers/acts
distribution
12:29:35 Zzzzz-meeting... exactly... so my worry is no longer a worry
since the *randomness* of the performer cards will impact the outcome and keep the
game away from a take this take that take this take that... game
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:29:47 seo yes, on my server we have the same
problems than we did before, so I guess it is the chat software
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:30:13 Zzzzz-meeting... i think there is a new
verision, I was going to install it on the new ISP and see what happens
12:30:15 seo ok, I'll keep the editing then :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:30:16 Zzzzz-meeting... just need time
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:31:05 Zzzzz-meeting... hmm maybe not.. what
version are you running?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:31:13 Zzzzz-meeting... there was a new one back
in March
12:31:53 Zzzzz-meeting... of course.. I was not suggesting any edits.
just talking out loud to make sure we are ok
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:40:40 seo I think this one is the new one
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:40:47 seo but I'm not 100% sure
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:41:24 Zzzzz-meeting... that is ok, I really
think I need to just finish BGDF3.0 and worry about chat some other time
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:41:44 Zzzzz-meeting... oh the link at the
bottom says this is 1.10 beta
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:41:53 Zzzzz-meeting... 1.0 beta 10
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 12:48:19 doho123 a game after my own heart:
http://www.dolmenent.com/smiliesinvasion/
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:03:06 Zzzzz-meeting... lol
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:03:14 clearclaw It would be sloppy to weigh
the shortcomings of the cgiirc interface against an default installation of cgiirc.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:03:32 Zzzzz-meeting... agreed clearclaw
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:03:45 clearclaw So, what are the complaints?
So far I've heard colour...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:04:06 Zzzzz-meeting... no compliants for this
person
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:04:32 clearclaw I use /echo
-------------------------------------- to mark a line in scrollback for catching
up.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:04:33 Zzzzz-meeting... well that is not
true..... my compliant is TIME.... so everything gets set up and works *CorrectlY*
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:04:48 clearclaw nods correctly.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:05:07 Zzzzz-meeting... and bye *everything* i
mean more than just a chat system
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:05:08 doho123 is it on an irc channel that
can be used with a regular irc client?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:05:20 clearclaw The biggie with using an IRC
back-end will be setting up either ChanServ or another system so that you always
maintain Ops on the channel.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:05:52 clearclaw The one I have the CGI
pointed to is a stnadard IRC channel that can be used with any IRC client. I've
been using bitchX.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:06:13 clearclaw That biggie of course is
pretty trivial if using a network that uses ChanServ by default.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:07:20 clearclaw doho: #SpielTalk on
irc.freeode.org
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:07:51 clearclaw Or cgiirc @
http://kanga.nu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:08:24 clearclaw Motly I'm looking forward to
running eggdrop and/or supybot on the channel to make it actually useful.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/Chat/
IRC/Bots/
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:12:31 Seth Scott: lots of pocketciv posts
today it seems
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:12:38 Seth well, several at least
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:12:57 Zzzzz-meeting... do they all mention him
copying ZimP
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:13:21 doho123 where do you see the list of
recent comments?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:14:43 Seth I have PocketCiv marked under
'notify me of content'
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:14:48 Seth I figured you must as well?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:14:54 doho123 you can do that?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/28044
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:11 Seth dude
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:15 Seth under "my collection"
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:27 Seth 4 boxes below rating
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:51 Seth also, right below your comments you
can see all recent posts about it
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:53 doho123 wow. I had no idea
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:57 Seth how do you not know this?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:15:59 Seth heh
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:00 Seth :)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:05 Seth You should totally do that
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:21 Seth I figured you had, or I'd have told
you long ago!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:33 doho123 here's the geeklist giving
props to PocketCiv for Zimp
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:33 Seth I even made that crack the other
day about you ignoring threads abotu it!
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/28343/item/578171#item578171
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:16:39 clearclaw flags all the games he's
interested in that way
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:17:03 doho123 I justy assumed that you were
the one pumping PocketCiv into the Hot Games list by checking every hour
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:17:11 Seth nope
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:17:29 Seth I usually don't read the threads, I
see the topic and I delete the geekmail
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:17:45 Seth I haven't played or read anything
about PC is a long time!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:22:30 clearclaw I like the way that cgiirc
handles /msgs and thus private chats.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:26:17 seo you mean internally?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:26:31 clearclaw UI level
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:26:44 seo isn't it more or les the same as
here?
pv_05be7c0ee8ea53e0e38c3e40799ffab9_251a23cb1ec1e181a98f0bd629f402cd 18/06/2008
13:27:32 clearclaw clearclaw quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:28:04 clearclaw Perhaps. I find it
unreliable here. Just tried to open a private chat with you 3x and failed every
time.
pv_05be7c0ee8ea53e0e38c3e40799ffab9_2f71c38766e34c85520df96c6efac2fc 18/06/2008
13:28:21 seo I had no trouble
13:28:33 clearclaw I see.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:28:44 Seth failed?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:28:46 Seth Reallyu?
13:28:57 Seth it didn't open a tab?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:28:57 clearclaw Really.
13:29:13 seo seo quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:31:17 Seth ok fuck that, backspace kicked me
out again
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:31:20 Seth that's intolerable :/
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:31:46 clearclaw Your browser has backspace
bound to back-in-history.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:31:54 Seth ... and again
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:04 Seth yes, but that doesn't happen in
here
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:11 Seth and ot doesn't ALWAYS happen in
there
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:29 Seth though it just happened again as I
was typing "I think I can't use this chat until I install an irc client"
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:39 clearclaw I continually lose focus
here. Have to re-click on the entry box.
13:32:39 Seth did you see this msg JJC?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:49 Seth hmm, I don't
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:50 Seth Weird
13:32:56 clearclaw yes
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:32:59 Seth I think I used to
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:33:03 Seth it was ifuriating
13:33:09 Seth Seth quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:33:48 clearclaw In short you are getting
kicked out because you lose focus on the text entry field and thus backspace is
sent to the browser rather than to the field.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:38:04 Seth yes, I agree that's what's going on
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:39:53 Zzzzz-meeting... Zzzzz changes his/her
nickname to Zzzzz-sighing...
sighing...
sighing...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:39:58 Zzzzz-sighing... ..
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:40:16 Zzzzz-sighing... hmm i changed my name
but did not
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:40:25 Zzzzz-sighing... Zzzzz changes his/her
nickname to Zzzzz-here
13:40:25 Zzzzz-sighing... Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-here
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:40:31 Zzzzz-here that was odd
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:40:46 clearclaw Seth is still whining over on
IRC...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:41:31 seo @Zzzzz: really?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:41:58 Zzzzz-here yeah : 13:39:53 * Zzzzz
changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-sighing...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:03 Seth lolthat happened this morning for
seo, right?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:04 Zzzzz-here 13:39:58 ‹Zzzzz› ..
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:04 seo that's what happened to me earlier
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:09 Seth weird
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:19 Seth still hungers
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:25 Seth I should get some food
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:28 Seth be back
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:29 seo try again and check if it changes
for about one second on the user list before reverting to Zzzzz
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:36 Zzzzz-here you hunger to play games!!!
but frisbee has you too busy
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:50 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her
nickname to Zzzzz-sighing...
13:42:50 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-sighing...
13:42:50 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-sighing...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:42:57 Zzzzz-sighing... that time it worked
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:00 Zzzzz-sighing... nope
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:07 Zzzzz-sighing... it switched back
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:12 Seth I used /echo in the other chat, and
it didn't appear to do anything
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:14 seo FF3?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:17 Zzzzz-sighing... Zzzzz changes his/her
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:43:37 Zzzzz-here nope i did not install FF3
yet, I downloaded it yesterday but not installed
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:44:56 Seth Seth changes his/her nickname to
sejAFK
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:50:54 seo ah, so it's not a FF3 thing, just a
new chat thing
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:51:34 clearclaw I'm under FF2 here without
problem on cgiirc
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:52:55 seo the problem is that today this chat
started to, for some reason, prevent some users sometimes to change their nick
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 13:53:16 seo it's a new issue, AFAIK
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:00:16 clearclaw The frequent XML errors and
chat deaths are a PITA here.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:00:59 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to
Zzzzz-here
14:00:59 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-here
14:00:59 Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-here
ch_seo 18/06/2008 14:00:59 Zzzzz-here joins seo
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:01:03 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her
ch_seo 18/06/2008 14:01:03 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to
Zzzzz-here
14:01:03 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-here
14:01:03 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-here
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:01:28 clearclaw Died again...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:01:55 Zzzzz-here yup
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:02:47 clearclaw is losing patience.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:04:54 Zzzzz-here sorry
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:05:17 Zzzzz-here dont lose patience... i will
try to get things worked out soon, but sadly real work that pays the bills has to
come first
ch_seo 18/06/2008 14:05:27 Zzzzz-here Zzzzz-here quit
14:07:58 seo here?
ch_Zzzzz 18/06/2008 14:08:20 seo joins Zzzzz
ch_Zzzzz 18/06/2008 14:10:09 seo seo quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:11:17 seo Dave: can you start a private room?
I can't, probably becuase you're Zzzz-something and the link on your name says
Zzzzz
14:13:41 Zzzzz-here yo
14:14:09 Zzzzz-here a saw your updates message flash by
14:14:33 Zzzzz-here so you happy with the game yet? keep in mind this is
just a GDS entry, suppose to be ideas not a completed game lol
14:15:44 seo just added another fix
14:15:54 Zzzzz-here yepp
14:16:12 seo since you have 2 actions per turn, I tohught:
14:16:18 Zzzzz-here you are out of control today like I was the other day
14:16:36 Zzzzz-here OHH!!! new idea
14:16:38 seo you can Hire a Performer, hire a Ringmaster, or perform an
Act
14:16:40 Zzzzz-here maybe
14:16:49 Zzzzz-here ok...
14:16:58 Zzzzz-here listening to your thought first
14:17:10 seo so you might just hire 2 new performers, and then discard
two to end your turn with a hand of 5
14:17:35 seo so Hire doesn't include draw AND discard
14:17:38 Zzzzz-here yeah that would be to position yourself with the
right/enough performers
14:17:46 Zzzzz-here ah ok
14:17:48 seo I mention the discarding at the end of the turn
14:18:03 seo I think it makes more sense tematically too
14:18:07 seo now your idea
14:18:27 Zzzzz-here crap I did it again
14:18:28 Zzzzz-here lol
14:18:35 Zzzzz-here i tried to copy and moved it instead
14:18:44 seo what, Britney?
14:18:52 seo LOL
14:19:12 Zzzzz-here you removed the stuff at the bottom right...
14:19:25 seo yepp
14:19:30 seo sorry
14:19:36 seo want it back?
14:19:39 Zzzzz-here np
14:19:41 seo I have it here
14:19:45 Zzzzz-here wait 50 markers???
14:19:49 Zzzzz-here lol
14:19:57 Zzzzz-here i guess that might be possible in a 2 player game
14:20:12 Zzzzz-here ok my thought/idea
14:20:38 Zzzzz-here what if we modified the turn order based on which
player is *getting* the most applause?
14:20:57 Zzzzz-here so each round it might change who goes first since
the crowd is so into it!
14:21:17 seo I thought ~3 markers per turn, and the chance to use the
markers to score
14:21:46 seo what is best? to go first or later?
14:21:49 Zzzzz-here we might just want a score tracker thing... to keep
total score
14:21:56 Zzzzz-here not sure which is best
14:22:13 Zzzzz-here i was just thinking thematically if you are getting a
lot of applause more people are paying attention to you
14:22:14 seo yeah, I'll add that to the compnent list
14:22:39 Zzzzz-here sort of taking the audience *away* from the lesser
acts
14:23:11 seo I dunno, wouldn't that be fiddly?
14:23:12 Zzzzz-here ...
14:23:13 Zzzzz-here asdasd
14:23:14 Zzzzz-here hmm chat seem to have died for me
14:23:16 seo having to check the marker count every turn?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:23:17 Zzzzz-here ...
14:23:41 Zzzzz ok it is back
14:23:43 Zzzzz i think
14:24:01 Zzzzz it might be fiddly
14:24:14 Zzzzz i was just wondering if it mattered or not
14:24:36 Zzzzz maybe we just forget the idea since I am not sure if going
first or last makes a difference
14:24:43 seo I would leave it out until we get a chance to play the game
14:24:59 Zzzzz sure
14:25:07 seo then, if we see there's an actual advantege and the need to
compensate, we can introduce that rule
14:25:21 Zzzzz sure thing
14:25:28 seo and by then, we will know which is best
14:25:38 Zzzzz not sure it matters I was just thinking out loud about turn
order
14:26:07 Zzzzz so do we need to figure out a plan of attack for art? i
feel bad if you have to do it all
14:26:13 seo I don't dislike the idea, but I don't feel we need it
14:26:16 Zzzzz but I suck in comparison
14:26:26 Zzzzz agreed we dont *need* it
14:26:41 seo I have to take Catu to French in 15 minutes, and will have
90 minutes of free time
14:26:55 Zzzzz ah...
14:27:13 Zzzzz well let me know if you need any type of help
14:27:25 seo ok
14:27:31 Zzzzz though I will be away for a while since i have other things
to do after the 1st job and before the 2nd
14:27:43 Zzzzz so chances are you will have to stay up late or email me
later
14:27:45 seo it's not much work, anyway
14:27:55 Zzzzz i should be back online around 10pm NY time
14:28:13 seo I hope I can have it done tonight
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14:28:28 seo I might stay up late tonight, working
14:28:30 Zzzzz well the deadline is tomorrow at lunch right?
14:28:35 seo no school tomorrow
14:28:40 Zzzzz oh
14:28:43 seo yes, we're ok
14:29:04 Zzzzz i know we are ok, the rules are good enough... and art is
just an added bonus
14:29:09 seo Artigas birthday (national hero)
14:29:18 Zzzzz nice
14:29:24 Zzzzz any plans for a family day?
14:29:31 seo since I don't need to get up early, I can stay up late
working tonight
14:29:51 seo no, Marisa and me have to work
14:30:10 Zzzzz ah
14:30:53 seo ok, I'll do some research for source images, just in case I
have trouble getting online at the French place
14:31:19 Zzzzz i have to go buy a new microwave tonight, Wendy IM'd me
about a bad order coming from our current one!! and i should probably install it
tonight too, since it is an over the range version
14:31:27 Zzzzz ah ok... ttyl
14:31:32 Zzzzz i should really do more work work today
pv_251a23cb1ec1e181a98f0bd629f402cd_bab1498dbaa383bb56d99c6ba782d971 18/06/2008
14:32:19 sejAFK this seems to work
pv_251a23cb1ec1e181a98f0bd629f402cd_2f71c38766e34c85520df96c6efac2fc 18/06/2008
14:32:36 sejAFK this seems to work... I opened one with Zzzzz too
14:33:16 Zzzzz yesh and why is that an issue?
14:33:27 Zzzzz oh I changed my name again... back to normal Zzzzz
14:33:45 sejAFK ah
14:33:51 sejAFK I just saw seo's comment
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14:34:06 Zzzzz Zzzzz quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:34:14 Zzzzz sure just leave!
14:35:44 Zzzzz type in rules... Socring on the inner ring is identical
14:37:01 Zzzzz add 3 of his player markers to Acts
14:37:10 Zzzzz needs to be changed to Applause markers
14:38:39 Zzzzz question... will there be an issue with the following :
14:38:42 Zzzzz The player completes this action by discarding or drawing
cards to replenish his hand to 5. Discarding is done face up on a discard pile next
to the drawing pile. Players are allowed to draw from either the face-down reserve
or the face-up discard piles.
14:39:05 Zzzzz that sort states that once I discard I can pick the same
cards back up fromthe discard pile
14:39:55 seo l
14:40:27 seo yes
14:40:44 seo that's a bit silly, but I have not problem with that
14:41:07 seo actually, it's not likely
14:41:11 seo ahhhh!!!!
14:41:17 Zzzzz ok... just checking since it would allow me to perform an
act.... discard, pick up the same cards so I can perform the same act again next
turn
14:41:34 seo might be a problem if you play card to perform an act and
pick them up from the discard
14:42:01 seo maybe the cards used to perform are removed untill the
reserve runs out
14:42:10 seo heh
14:42:15 Zzzzz yeah I think we need another case... always draw from
performer deck.... another end case could be that all players lose if they run out
of performers
14:42:43 seo I think reshuffling is ok
14:42:56 seo picking up the cards you just played is not
14:43:00 Zzzzz sure.. you dont like co-op :P
14:43:34 Zzzzz i was thinking that that might help promote actually
attempting to satify all acts... since there is another end case
14:43:52 Zzzzz i just worry about the *forever* game where people jist
keep building on the same acts... etc etc etc
14:44:19 Zzzzz but at this point that does not matter
14:44:41 Zzzzz the core of the game is fine as is, and later I can play
test a version with that concept in it
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:44:57 sejAFK *yawn*
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:45:02 sejAFK sejAFK changes his/her
nickname to Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:45:18 clearclaw playing with other web IRC
clients
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:45:26 clearclaw Who is your Java access?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:45:28 clearclaw How
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:45:55 Zzzzz not sure.. I have not looked at
anything java for an ISP in years
14:46:04 seo yeah, I think no reshuffling is ok as a game end
alternative
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:46:15 clearclaw Nothing required on the
server side.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:46:20 clearclaw Java client-side
14:46:25 seo I'm re-editing the turn section
14:46:47 seo the draw/discard was in the perform an act and should be at
the end of the turn section
14:47:41 seo solved it:
14:48:05 seo you hire a performer from the reserve of the discard, but
replenish your hand only from the reserve
14:48:17 seo now to write that down
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:48:18 Zzzzz yepp we can support applets
14:48:46 Zzzzz sounds good
14:49:14 seo no it doesn't
14:49:17 Zzzzz for now we might just want to reshuffle when performers run
out... no reason to worry about alternative ending cases etc. since it really does
not matter
14:49:36 seo you perform Magician, then I go and pick up your cards?
14:49:53 seo I mean, I spend my whole turn, but anyway...
14:50:05 seo let's just discard the performer for good
14:50:24 seo and when you run out of performers the game ends
14:50:57 seo and meybe then ALL the applause markers become VP
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:51:50 Seth why did I even begin to read this?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/317601
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:52:03 Seth I get it - people are getting their
copies
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:52:15 Seth who cares if you got copy #288 of
1500?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:52:18 Seth sheesh
14:52:23 Zzzzz ok...
14:52:29 seo gotta go
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:52:37 seo seo changes his/her nickname to
seo-afk
14:52:37 seo seo changes his/her nickname to seo-afk
14:52:47 seo-afk I can change my nick
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:52:51 Zzzzz it is like art work... the #
matters to collectors
14:52:52 seo-afk :-P
14:52:53 seo-afk bye
14:53:00 Zzzzz later
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:53:29 Zzzzz oh I should point out I did not
actually look at that link yet
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:53:33 Seth yeah, but why does it matter to
[i]other people[/i]
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:53:39 Seth I'm just surprised
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:53:53 Seth I guess if I had the time to look
at the thread other people had time to post to it
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:54:08 Seth thoguh I feel like I wasted about 3
minutes of my lifet hat I cannot get back
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:54:10 Zzzzz because they want to have more
*success* than others at getting the early copy
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:54:35 Zzzzz JC think that everyday about this
chat room!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:54:41 Zzzzz :)
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:58:20 Seth this isn't new, but a fun idea:
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 14:58:31 Seth maybe Nando needs this for his sea
monster game
Zzzzz-not-here
15:03:37 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-not-here
15:03:37 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-not-here
15:03:53 Zzzzz-not-here Zzzzz-not-here quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:10:02 Seth Zzzzz-not-here quit (timeout)
http://kanga.nu/~claw/irc/test.html Another IRC web interface -- I prefer
cgiirc
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:14:38 clearclaw But this one runs locally in
the user's browser and so doesn't consume any server resources. Of course the user
has to be able to access port 6667, which could be a problem for some corps.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:21:38 clearclaw What don't you know about it?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:22:28 Seth I don't know if I like it - I would
have to use it, and I should be doing other things
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:22:47 Seth also I kept getting popup blocker
messages, even though I told it to allow popups
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:23:14 clearclaw From doing what?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:24:09 Seth wha?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:24:24 clearclaw Got popup warnings when doing
what?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:24:48 clearclaw Help does a popup, few other
things too. Basic operations don't.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:27:56 Seth the first time it was Help, so I
allowed it, then I was getting them and I'm not sure why
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:28:08 Seth I closed it, so I dunno what was
up.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:28:19 clearclaw I never set a Help URL.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 15:28:28 Seth s/so/and
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 16:39:28 Zzzzz-home joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 16:51:13 Seth [i]damn I am bored![/i]
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:00:27 Zzzzz-home me too, but I am bored
because the amount of work I have to do keeps growing and I want to avoid it, but
when I attempt to avoid it I get bored, but would rather be bored than doing the
work
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:22:33 Seth I want to talk about game design :/
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:22:39 Seth I haven't done any game design in a
while
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:36:15 Rick joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:41:09 Seth hi Rick!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:41:50 Seth How's the Sports recruiter game
coming along?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:41:53 clearclaw2 lo
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:41:56 Seth Talent Scout
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:42:23 Rick Nothing done. Got my computer back,
but been too busy since then to look at it.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:42:55 Rick I've been thinking about H&R, too.
Got a few new ideas about that, and haven't had time to flesh them out.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:43:20 Rick I could use a week's vacation with
nothing much that I had to do.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 17:46:13 Seth couldn't we all!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 18:00:01 Rick Rick quit
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 18:10:09 Seth Looks like I'm not the only one!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 18:50:58 Zzzzz-home Seth quit (timeout)
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:00:20 cocadieta Evening.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:02:10 clearclaw2 waves and starts moving
toward the game night.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:02:47 cocadieta Have fun. We got Loko Werks
played last night. Quite something.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:08:03 clearclaw2 Yeah.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:08:12 clearclaw2 It is quite /something/.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:08:18 clearclaw2 I remain not entire sure what
that something is.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:09:52 clearclaw2 BTW: Proposed new chat
interface: http://kanga.nu/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi or
http://kanga.nu/~claw/irc/test.html
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:10:06 clearclaw2 Both are web interfaces to
IRC. The latter is client-side Java.
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:11:19 clearclaw2 But, I have to run now.
Lords of the Spanish main calls!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 19:12:19 cocadieta Enjoy!
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ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 20:23:08 Zzzzz-home ...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 20:54:25 Zzzzz-home ...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:37:29 Brykovian joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:37:46 Brykovian ...
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:39:13 Zzzzz-home hey late night man
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:39:19 Zzzzz-home how goes it?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:43:58 Zzzzz-home guess it goes busy enough to
not chat :P
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:46:57 Brykovian [color=#008000] sorry,
Dave .... got into a conversation [/color]
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:47:13 Brykovian [color=#008000] how are
things for you? [/color]
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:48:10 Brykovian [color=#008000] in any
case ... now it's time for me to run off to bed [/color]
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 21:48:40 Brykovian [color=#008000] take care ...
hopefully, I'll be on during a normal daytime hour again sometime, maybe ...
yep ... that's it ;) [/color]
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nickname to Zzzzz-sleep?
ch_SpielTalk! 18/06/2008 23:59:12 clearclaw2 Zzzzz-sleep? quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 02:19:06 clearclaw Seth quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 02:47:31 clearclaw Played Lords of the Spanish
Main. Got about 1/3-1/2 of the way through in ~3 hours. Clearly possible to play
the full game in ~4hours with players who don't dawdle. It was amazing. If I
could I'd put LotSM into fast rotation immediately and play it 2-3x a week for the
next few months. Quite worth it.
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ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 06:46:31 Zzzzz seo!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:10:47 seo hey
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:11:14 seo as usual, I'm doing more than I
should for the GDS
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:11:25 seo I have all the card distribution
solved :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:30:07 Zzzzz shhhhh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:30:16 Zzzzz dont tell ppl there is a
distribution :P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 07:30:50 Zzzzz do you want to handle submitting
it? since you are *going overboard*?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:06:09 Zzzzz .,,.,,..,..,
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:12:13 seo sorry, I'm also supervising the
works next door
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:12:35 Zzzzz np
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:12:40 Zzzzz i am actually trying to work
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:12:47 seo did you read the last version of
the text
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:13:13 Zzzzz not yet... i am sure it is perferct
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:13:17 Zzzzz perfect*
pv_3663b41a6e6f34e99b95f275eea7abc4_b753f5a7f233cabbb992b62e0f1fd946 19/06/2008
08:13:30 Zzzzz hey
08:13:38 Zzzzz anything specific you need to discuss?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:13:47 seo now that I think of it, I think I
left it in the middle of some small change
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:13:52 seo I'll re-read it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 08:13:58 Zzzzz ok
08:14:03 Zzzzz hmm
08:14:05 seo nope
08:14:25 seo I'll check the text, end with the pics and submit
08:14:32 Zzzzz ok let me know when that small change is in and I will give
it one quick proof
08:14:36 seo feel free to work
08:14:38 seo :-)
08:21:18 Zzzzz so I started quickly working on BGDF3.0 again last night.
trying to get some of the rough permissions/content/features up and stumbling
08:23:08 seo the one using Drupal?
08:23:24 seo I logged in the other day just to check if there was
anything different
08:24:37 seo I removed the face up pile. Drawing only from face down
reserve.
08:24:54 seo and when any of the reserve piles runs out the game ends
08:25:10 seo sounds ok?
08:30:19 Zzzzz sure
08:30:23 Zzzzz sounds good
08:30:40 Zzzzz you logged in the other day? how it was not online and did
not have a correct db path
08:30:51 Zzzzz http://bgdf30.bgdf.com/
08:33:53 seo I logged just now on
http://www.infamousgames.com/bgdf/bgdf3/
08:34:59 seo this one looks even better!
08:35:08 seo o, so how about this line:
08:35:08 seo
08:35:13 seo The game ends after the inner ring is scored. If the
Performer or Shows reserves run out before the inner ring is closed, the game ends
and all players get 1 VP for each Applause marker they have at the moment on any
Act (no mayority scoring: all markers score; no 2 VP for inner ring Acts).
08:36:34 seo the 3.0 site doesn't let me log in :-(
08:40:32 Zzzzz that sentence sounds good
08:40:38 Zzzzz yeah you dont have an account on that site
08:40:45 Zzzzz it is *new*
08:40:56 Zzzzz my new work in progress
08:44:22 seo ah, ok
08:44:35 seo but it reads from the current DB, right?
08:46:11 Zzzzz nope
08:46:39 Zzzzz well that might not be true... I am pointing to the db i
had set up. but at some point darke *cleaned up* and some things are not the same
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09:15:12 Zzzzz ...
Zzzzz-gamenight
09:15:27 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-gamenight
09:18:59 Zzzzz-gamenight i think you are our of control
09:19:03 Zzzzz-gamenight out*
09:58:32 Zzzzz-gamenight ...
10:02:48 seo hey
10:03:02 seo I sent the entry!
10:03:09 seo I'll send you a copy
10:06:55 seo that's what I call Noon, EST ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 10:07:11 seo Hi
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 10:21:26 seo GamesOnTheBrain quit (timeout)
10:48:19 Zzzzz-gamenight lol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 10:48:25 Zzzzz-gamenight ...
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ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 10:49:21 Zzzzz-gamenight chat was unhappy :(
10:53:38 Zzzzz-gamenight seo??
10:54:24 seo yes?
10:54:46 seo got my PM?
10:55:04 seo time for lunch
10:58:25 Zzzzz-gamenight yepp...
10:58:46 Zzzzz-gamenight oddly enough the first two lines start off with
*Three Ring Circus...* lol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:05:23 Seth so is that GDS enrty done?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:18:34 Seth Morning all
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:18:41 Seth or Afternoon as the case may be\
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:19:02 Seth OMG:
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:21:18 Seth nice report
11:22:04 seo you're answering to Seth in our private room? :-P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:29:48 Seth lol...
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/browse/boardgame/0?
username=BuddhaBob74&sort=recent
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:30:45 Seth Where's Scott, I think he has a
fan!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:30:50 seo the guy is a real fan!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:31:17 Seth taht session report is awesome.
Some of his game comments are funny too
11:31:54 seo nm, I thought your "yepp" was directed at Seth asking about
the GDS entry
11:32:50 seo I sent Bryk an updated version, with 3 ring replaced by The
Greatest Circus on Earth
11:33:04 seo Greatest Game made no sense there
11:35:08 Zzzzz-gamenight ??
11:35:46 Zzzzz-gamenight sure thing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:45:20 Seth clearclaw2 quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:46:30 Zzzzz-gamenight .,
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:47:01 Seth So you played games last night,
Dave?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:52:01 seo he will tonight
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:12 Zzzzz-gamenight yepp tonight
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:29 Zzzzz-gamenight i think someone is
bringing Container
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:32 clearclaw We're like anxious parents
watching a first date...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:35 Zzzzz-gamenight hopefully i have a
desire to try it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:52 Zzzzz-gamenight that did not come out
right
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:53:59 Zzzzz-gamenight hopefully they do, i
have a desire to try it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:55:55 clearclaw Zzzzz: Quick hints on
Container: Bid high, bid often, recognise that loans are just temproary liquidity
and use them for that purpose, only play with 4 or 5 players (not 3!), and don't
try and do everything.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:57:23 Seth Don't take two loans then spend all
your cash without having an income source (like a shipful of goods to sell)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:57:37 Seth and most of the time you don't want
to buy your own load at the island
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 11:58:30 seo 10 entries on the GDS :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:13:35 Zzzzz-gamenight nice
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:14:55 seo I just realized we reduced our
chances to win by entering together
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:15:37 seo when voting time comes, there will
be 2 voters who can't vote for our entry
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:19 Zzzzz-gamenight who said?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:27 Zzzzz-gamenight i can vote all I want!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:29 seo but I guess that doesn't compensate
for the added benefit of our two great minds working together
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:32 Zzzzz-gamenight I give myself 10!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:34 Zzzzz-gamenight there!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:41 seo no one can vote for his own entry
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:45 Zzzzz-gamenight gives seo 10 pts!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:48 seo your vote is null
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:16:55 Zzzzz-gamenight NO!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:17:05 seo YES!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:17:06 Zzzzz-gamenight I have admin powers,
dont make me use them!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:17:28 Zzzzz-gamenight i just wont vote!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:17:34 seo I have them too, don't start a war
you don't know when will end
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:17:58 seo by entering the GDS you implicitly
commit to voting
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:18:04 Zzzzz-gamenight oh but I have super
server powers! I will crush the entire site so NO voting can happen!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:18:14 seo if you don't vote, the win will be
wholy mine
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:18:15 Zzzzz-gamenight lol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:18:32 seo I have Bryk's email, I can send my
votes to him
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:18:39 Zzzzz-gamenight i will just give 1 to
each of 8 of them and 2 to the 9th
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:19:37 Zzzzz-gamenight anyways... I am not
worried about winning or losing.... just the fact that we design anything is a
victory to me!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:20:13 seo I know
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 12:20:30 seo I was just joking
12:23:31 seo my card distribution is all wrong :-(
12:23:50 seo I'll have to fix it
12:24:13 seo fortunatelly, I didn't do any cards but the samples
12:24:24 seo so no big deal
12:24:37 Zzzzz-gamenight good good
12:24:44 Zzzzz-gamenight i am so tired...
12:24:55 Zzzzz-gamenight up to late, up to early.... :(
12:25:02 seo as I have it now, the same 6 performers will have the same
3 Acts
12:25:54 seo I not that tired, I relaxed last night, and worked in the
morning on the GDS pics
12:26:18 seo now I'm totally off schedule on my work, but it was fun :-)
12:26:19 Zzzzz-gamenight yeah my brain is fried today... trying to grind
through some work work code tasks. seems unless
12:26:27 Zzzzz-gamenight :(
12:26:35 Zzzzz-gamenight i have been off schedule for months
12:26:44 seo unless or useless?
12:27:06 Zzzzz-gamenight useless... :(
12:27:14 seo LOL
12:27:24 Zzzzz-gamenight actually i think think I really meant ENDLESS
12:27:38 Zzzzz-gamenight think think
12:27:40 seo LOL
12:27:42 Zzzzz-gamenight cries....
12:27:58 seo no, poor Dave
12:28:08 seo I wasn't laughing at you
12:28:16 seo I was laughing WITH you :-)
12:28:25 Zzzzz-gamenight i have this bad feeling I am going to fall
asleep at game night....
12:28:26 seo hush, hush
12:28:38 Zzzzz-gamenight I can envision a *long* winded turn game
12:28:54 seo Be careful with the pawns! We don't want you to lose an eye
12:28:55 Zzzzz-gamenight my eyes will get heavy from waiting for others
to actuall make a decision
12:29:03 Zzzzz-gamenight slowly lower my head onto the table....
12:29:13 Zzzzz-gamenight ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzZZzzzZzzzzzzzz
12:29:25 Zzzzz-gamenight or I can go buy a mountain dew right now
12:29:51 seo yeah, I guess that will solve all your trouble
12:30:20 seo I would too, if there were Mountain Dew here, and I liked
it
12:30:26 Zzzzz-gamenight well for a few minutes... until I reach the
sugar crash
12:31:46 seo it's 2:30... you'll need 3598 bottles to stay up till game
night ends
12:32:37 seo or just 600 big ones :-)
12:33:12 Zzzzz-gamenight i will let you know.... i might need at least
one an hour
12:35:13 seo you'll probably spend most of the night in the toilet, too
12:35:51 seo anyway, we both have work to do, ttyl
12:35:57 seo good luck with the GDS!
12:36:53 Zzzzz-gamenight you too... thanks for the hard work on it. i
never though we would both spend so much time on it
12:54:33 seo but it was a great time
12:55:16 seo I think we should work further in this game, and probably
on some others, in the future
12:55:54 Zzzzz-gamenight sure thing
12:56:38 Zzzzz-gamenight it was definitely a motivator
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:19:33 Seth ... Happiest show on earth?
pv_3663b41a6e6f34e99b95f275eea7abc4_4d0cacaf794cc5ae17d3c28f6a4a3684 19/06/2008
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:20:59 seo Are you asking which one is ours?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:21:33 Seth not asking that as much as implying
that I think that's the case
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:21:48 seo ah, ok
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:21:50 Seth but I haven't read the others yet
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:22:00 seo whatever suits you ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:22:02 Seth similar card play to Ptolemy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:22:05 Seth lol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:22:32 seo then maybe it's from the ZimP guy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:22:59 Seth scrolling down I see there are
entries with graphics
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:23:05 Seth and I bet your entry has graphics
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:23:06 seo I haven't read any yet
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:23:22 seo how much are you willing to beT?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:23:51 seo I've had graphics-free entries
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:24:20 Seth yeah, but you sent some version of
some card to Dave, so i['m willing to bet this time you have graphics ;)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:25:18 seo did I?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:25:25 seo I'm pretty sure I didn't
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:26:31 Seth maybe you were talking about rules
then
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:26:37 Seth I'll read them once I get some
lunch food!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:26:38 Seth and I'll figure it out!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:26:43 Seth I'll just look for the one with bad
english ;)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:27:16 Seth (because Dave can hardly speak
English! Or type at least... ) ;)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:27:22 Seth Jus kiddin Dave :)
sej-afk
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:27:47 seo that's why I did the editing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:27:52 seo :-P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:48:13 sej-afk sej-afk changes his/her
nickname to sej-food!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:48:32 sej-food! .
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:51:57 Zzzzz-gamenight 25 messages... you guys
need to GET TO WORK :P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 13:52:50 Zzzzz-gamenight LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:03:00 seo evidently
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:14:29 seo JC: did you just closed and re-open
your browser?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:14:41 clearclaw Refresh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:14:56 seo the chat was dead?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:15:07 clearclaw Yep
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:15:21 seo ah, thanks. Just curious
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:18:08 Zzzzz-gamenight it is dead JIm
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:22:41 seo it's undead now, you better watch
out for your brain!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:23:15 Zzzzz-gamenight Zombies!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:23:24 Zzzzz-gamenight should I actually play
that game? Zombies!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:26:51 seo This
http://boardgamegeek.com/game/2471 or this http://boardgamegeek.com/game/16772 ?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:37:14 Zzzzz-gamenight I am pretty sure
http://boardgamegeek.com/game/2471
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:54:13 sej-food! Zombies!!! is pretty horrible
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:55:56 Zzzzz-gamenight is it?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:55:58 Zzzzz-gamenight just checking
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:56:17 Zzzzz-gamenight i am trying to get more
of my GenCON events all set, but most of the game event suck
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 14:56:30 Zzzzz-gamenight so I might just open
game most of the time and check out a few nice seminars
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:06:22 sej-food! someone from austin must have
me on their google chat list
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:06:29 sej-food! but I don't know who that
might be
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:06:33 sej-food! sej-food! changes his/her
nickname to Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:20:41 Seth .
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:20:49 Zzzzz-gamenight later... off to eat, off
to game, off to work, off to sleep
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:20:59 Seth new blog post re: Terra Prime if
you're interested
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:21:07 Seth see you Dave
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:21:53 seo bye Dave
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:21:59 seo have fun
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:25:34 clearclaw Played 1/2-1/3 of a game of
Lords of the Spanish Main last night. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:25:42 Seth sweet, I'm about to have to defend
my TP combat mechanics, then I'll be abel to tell if I really like them or not
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:25:54 Seth if I can' defend them, then they're
likely really bad
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:26:06 clearclaw If I could get LotSM into
fast rotation I'd be playing npretty much non-stop.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:26:56 seo you already told us so earlier
today, JC :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:27:48 clearclaw is enthused.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:28:07 clearclaw Curiously enough for such an
odd game it really has no odd mechanisms.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:28:54 Seth I'll tell Phil if I see him this
weekend (ides of Gaming event, maybe he'll be there)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:28:54 clearclaw There are a few things which
happen in player turn order, but the rest is merely phase driven and open
negotiation time without any player sequencing at all.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:56:17 clearclaw The game starts of asymmetric
and only becomes more asymmetric with time. However it is somewhat strongly to the
player's advantage to not beat on the low-guy, which does give them time and space
to recover.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 15:56:40 clearclaw Until the asymmetry becomes
so large that one player will effectively runaway through a chink the other's can't
close.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:30:12 Seth how long did it take?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:30:16 Seth the game
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:38:25 seo over 3 hours
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:38:34 seo am I right?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:39:03 clearclaw We played just under half the
game in about 3.5 hours. That included rules teaching and a lot of musing and
questioning and pondering.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:39:41 clearclaw Given players who have played
once or twice before I could easily see a full game being played in 3-4 hours, with
3 hours being very achievable.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:40:06 clearclaw A large bit of our time was
spent on trying to figure out appropriate ways to extort and negotiatiate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:40:37 clearclaw And some of the extortion
opportunities are utterly delightfully damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:41:32 clearclaw and quite a few more are
damned-if-you-do-anything simply because almost no deals are binding and players
control multiple forces each of which have discrete and separate restructions.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:42:35 clearclaw Thus one of my fleets might
be pirate, another privateer (ie legit), and my colonies are something else.
Additionally every item has a religious affiliation and a nationality as well as a
"size" (which latter can vary).
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:42:50 clearclaw And that mesh of
intersections heavily colours many of the decision spaces.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:44:29 clearclaw The game is astoundingly
chaotic, and yet lurches from unstable imbalanced position to unstable imbalanced
position, greased by the rails of negotiation and self-interest in a delightful
fashion.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:45:13 clearclaw And yet that dynamism creates
an odd set of balance, especially as the players collude in delightfully nasty
ways.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:45:24 seo the guy from my new game group has
LotSM and is one of the games they plan to play soon :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:45:57 clearclaw If you can, play with someone
who has played before.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:46:13 clearclaw Also be prepared for a fairly
leaky set of rules.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:46:42 seo ok
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:46:55 clearclaw The board is almost useless.
All it really does is define the graph, what is connected to what.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:47:04 clearclaw Necessary but useless.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:49:10 clearclaw Strongly suggest you play
with two variants, both of which are blessed by the designer: 1) Frequent treasure
shipments (I think we went every parron year which is ~every 4 years) and 2) Pre-
stack the decks so that the distribution of ships, colonies and mordida tiles is
consistent with the larger set. Getting rushes or starvations of any card-type
will lead to very strange and often not
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:49:13 clearclaw very workable games.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:49:50 clearclaw That basically means one ship
and one mordida per stack IIRC.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:50:05 clearclaw Our teacher, who has played
many times, did our setup.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:50:14 clearclaw I got the principle and not
the details.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:50:39 clearclaw Expect to spend the better
part of an hour maybe even 90 minutes on rules if none of you have played before.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:51:31 seo I don't think we'll play it this
Sunday, but if when they decide to play it, I'll try to read the rules in advance
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:51:40 clearclaw Frequent treasures are worth
only $10 rather than $25. With the base rules treasures are worth so extremely
much that the game almosts rests on the few treasure shipments and who gets
nominated.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:51:54 seo and if it's in one week or two,
I'll probably ask you for some advice :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:52:19 seo yeah, I just read that variation on
BGG
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:52:22 clearclaw And with the base rules the
Gov can easily run away as they get very ver cash happy.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:53:21 clearclaw The other thing is that the
game is chock-full of YOU-CAN-DO-THAT? elements. Really. Asides from phasing and
treasure deliveries, everything is both negotiable and non-binding.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:53:54 seo I like the sound of it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:55:38 clearclaw In our game Peter (The guy
from the corpse of Tablestar) was quickly reduced to the role of bitch for all the
other players, was continually buggered by luck and the other players, constantly
pleading for his life and the ability to even stay in the game, and yet in the mid-
game had almost twice the score of all the rest of us.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:56:42 seo so you can suddenly recover (and
probably go down as quickly, I guess)?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:56:59 clearclaw Where-as I had the highest
earnings of anyone and was likely about to become governor -- which would have
painted an enourmous target on me and drained all my cash quite quickly.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:57:14 clearclaw He never recovered -- but we
needed him so we had to keep him going.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:57:34 clearclaw And keeping him going meant
he never had cash but he did keep getting treasure...and treasure is worth more.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:58:31 clearclaw So Peter was about to lose
being the governor (as no treasure made it back to Spain) leaving it open for me to
take (and it is *very* nice to be Governor) except that I didn't have tghe cash
flow to be Governor and do my deal.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 16:59:39 clearclaw So I was about to pay cash
money, actually just give the cash to another player, so they could bid to be
Governor and be Governor, thus putting them back in the game and allowing me to
concentrate on my very nice little money-making colonies, plus the biggest ship in
the Carribean which was about to go Pirate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:00:09 clearclaw I needed Someone to be
Governor, just not me and *Not* our default pirate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:00:40 clearclaw So it would end up some sort
of I'll make you governor if you treat me nice later type of deal.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:00:55 clearclaw And I'd pay through the nose
for the honour of giving them a great future. Bah!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:02:15 clearclaw And the best person to give
the Governor-ship to was also the player who was at war with everyone and could
freely attack everyone without needing to go Pirate, which was *REALLY* annoying.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:02:46 clearclaw (In the first turn of the
game an event came out that said that France was at war, and she was the only
French player...)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:06:41 seo wow, the rulebook is LONG and
doesn't have a single image.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:07:15 clearclaw Yes.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:18:19 Seth just from your discussion it sounds
like a good, deep pirate game
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:19:39 Seth I would like to see a better pirate
game than what's on the market - some people like Pirate's Cove (though I can't
figure out why) - probably because it is supposed to be roucous fun with all the
die rolling and chaos. I've heard some like blackbeard, but I think that's not the
genre I'm looking for. The best "euro" pirate game I've played is Winds of Plunder
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:19:56 Seth I'd like to see a pirate game with
the scope of, say, Brass/railroad tycoom
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:20:14 Seth maybe LotSM is it, but it sounds
linger (and therefore perhaps more involved?)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:20:47 Seth I would like to see a 2 hour long
economic game of trade and piracy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:21:09 Seth where you can act like a real
pirate, not for pirate's sake, but because it'll help your position
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:21:39 Seth not because you're playing a pirate
game, but for the same reasons people really committed acts of Piracy (greed/gain)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:21:53 Seth It sounds like LotSM might have
some of that
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:22:11 clearclaw In LotSM many players will
never have a fleet that goes pirate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:22:19 clearclaw Only some fleets for some
players will go pirate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:23:42 Seth I have some inklings of ideas for
somethign like that in a notebook, based on this:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1147148
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:24:01 Seth (long thread - comments from me and
Godeke are the ones I was interested in)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:24:12 clearclaw But __ALL__ players will
likely extort viciously and continuously.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:24:38 Seth the idea I had had a similar "go
pirate" idea - if you engage in an act of piracy, you become "wanted" - it's per
country
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:24:53 Seth so like France might put a price on
your head and consider you a pirate
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:25:13 Seth and any player attacking a "pirate"
can be rewarded by that country
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:25:31 clearclaw There are three tile-types in
LotSM: ships, colonies, mordida cards. Each card has 4+ dimensions.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:25:41 Seth mostly it's about trade, but you
can do some stuff that's "piratey" and if you do than you're considered a pirate
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:25:54 Seth LotSM sounds like it has some of
that
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:26:24 Seth Is it negotiation like Traders of
Genoa is negotiation? Or different?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:26:37 clearclaw Colonies have a country,
religious affiliation, a capitalisation period, an event, a max-size, and a
captain's skill-level.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:27:20 clearclaw Err, that was ships.
Colonies are the same except they don't have captains and do have a resource-type
and upgrade-path.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:27:37 clearclaw Negotiation is entirely free
form and can encompass anything.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:28:27 clearclaw Example: Hey, I'll attack his
colony and kill one of his soldiers, you attack and kill the other one and raid his
cash and we'll split it Okay?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:29:15 clearclaw Or: Eitehr give me money or
I'll raid your colony!. Okay, here's some money. Thanks. I'm a pirate. I'm now
sacking your colony!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:29:38 clearclaw Give me a treasure or I'll
sack your colony.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:29:52 clearclaw Give me money or my pirates
wil...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:30:10 clearclaw I'll let those players come
trade with you so you get money if you upgrade my ship
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:30:31 seo Mordida = bribe?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:30:44 seo or %?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:31:03 clearclaw No, Mordida they are kina
specials. They represent special powers and forces, usually very localised.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:31:44 clearclaw Thus i had one which allowed
me to smuggle in Categena, and make money from that, but it also created soldiers
in Cartegena that the Governor would then get for free.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:31:48 seo I asked cause those are tow usual
meanings of the word Mordida (the first being "bite")
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:32:08 seo damn silly unintentional smilies!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:32:38 clearclaw Another Modida had a a bunch
of specialpowers, one of which was the owher owner could make a ship a QuickSilver
ship such that when it traded the colony it traded with was insta-upgraded.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:33:48 clearclaw So that player sold the
quicksilvers for high-cash to other players so they could upgrade their colonies.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:34:22 clearclaw A third Mordida was hill-
tribes in Venezuala, which could be used to attack any colony there.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:34:53 clearclaw Mordidas have religions,
sometimes countries, and a list of 2-4 special powers. Some of the special powers
put the Mordida card back up for auction.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:35:20 clearclaw The whole game is assembled
from special cases and special powers.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:35:46 clearclaw There is very little in the
game which has a base "normal" pattern. Every time is an exception in some way,
and the tiles drive everything.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:35:53 clearclaw (and are random)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:37:07 clearclaw s/time/tile/
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:38:11 clearclaw LotSM can play up to ~10
people. More is almost certainly better. 4 seems like an absolute minimum. 5-6
seems like the likely sweetspot, possibly more.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:43:07 Seth OK, I'm playing ItSotE, and my
reasonable choices this round are (1) Defend my ownership of Mainze (1vp) and buy
Indulgence (1vp), (2) Win Trier (2vp) probably at the cost of Mainze (-1vp), or (3)
Buy Indulgance (1vp) and build my last city (2vp, and not have to worry about it
next round, which will be the last round)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:43:48 Seth in that last case, I might end up
with my only vote getting ex-comm'ed, and therefore lose a potential vp for that
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:44:12 Seth if I defend Mainze OR take trier I
get at least 1 vote guaranteed
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:45:14 Seth I should note that with option (3)
I 'buy' a guy fro the last round (boy offspring) while with options (1) and (2) I
get a girl (maybe 1vp)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:45:21 Seth I'm also winning by like 9
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:45:35 Seth 8vs 1 guy, 9vs other 2
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:45:41 Seth so this hardly matters
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:46:07 Seth If I don't take trier, noone else
will either (the guy that wins only has a couple there)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:46:24 Seth if I don't hold Mainze i think Red
will take it (no big deal).
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:46:34 Seth If I don't take Indulgance now,
someone else might take it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:46:47 Seth I'm $1 short from Indulgence + Take
Trier :(
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:47:24 Seth http://www.mabiweb.com/modules.php?
name=GM_ShadowEmperor&g_id=20428&op=view_game_reset <- i'm green
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:50:39 Seth I think I'll go with option 3, then
next turn I'll have 9 bucks (maybe 10, though I doubt it) to win a province or 2,
and I'll even have an extra guy to do it with
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:51:28 Seth the question is, which province,
Trier (vs the guy that's been Emperor and will likely remain emperor, who has 4
influence in there already - albeit 1 of which is a knight that can be bumped)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:52:04 Seth or Saxony, vs a guy with a couple
in the Elector seat, and a city in the province
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:52:12 Seth the elector will turn 45 and could
be doctored
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:52:54 Seth I think i'll go with trier, the
yellow player is a mormon, I shouldn't have any trouble owning him.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:53:05 Seth *moron, not mormon
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:53:16 Seth I don't know his religious
affiliations
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:53:50 Seth ... maybe I'll break 30 points !
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 17:54:09 Seth I doubt it, I foresee 28 or 29
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:53:34 clearclaw The first copies of Pampas
Railroads are starting to arrive:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/2410835#2410835
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:55:01 Seth woo. I saw a thread that Agricola
had shipped, and the OP was asking how people are celebrating. I said "I'm
celebrating by continuing to wait"
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:55:09 Seth heh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:55:30 Seth I think some of the people on BGG
get a little too upity about somet higns
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:55:39 Seth I'm sure I get too uptiy about some
things as well
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 18:56:21 Seth now in your case the Pampas copies
are [i]arriving[/i] which is more cause for celebration than "it's shipped!"
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:02:31 cocadieta Evening everyone.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:04:18 Seth hi there
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:04:47 cocadieta Congratulations on a job well
done with Pampas, J C. I think it'll really be good for the hobby and the niche.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:05:05 cocadieta Hey Seth.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:06:11 cocadieta Seth, I played Lokomotive
Werks the other night. Quite something.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:06:21 seo Hi Ben
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:06:40 cocadieta Hi seo.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:06:40 cocadieta I coudn't tell if your
reaction was mixed or just tepid from your personal comments.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:08:45 Seth I think it's a neat game, but won't
hold up because it's too linear
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:09:07 Seth it's like Pillars of the Earth but
without the depth... a linear efficiency exercise
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:09:24 Seth I [i]like[/i] efficiency exerises,
I just think I would get bored with it after a few plays
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:09:42 Seth lately I've been absorbed in Brass
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:09:54 Seth I played it 7 times the first week
I got it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:14 cocadieta Wow! I couldn't find anything
to like in the rules so I kind of wrote it off.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:17 Seth I've gone out of my way to get 4
new players to play vs each other, so that I'd have more people to play with who
know how
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:23 Seth which, brass?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:27 cocadieta Yeah.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:40 Seth it's a lot deeper than it looks
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:10:59 Seth the first time I played I thought
we didn't really interact at all, everyone was just playing solitaire
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:16 Seth but I said to myself "I bet if we
knew the game better, we would be all in each other' way"
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:22 Seth turns out I was exactly right
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:38 Seth just about every action is
contested
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:39 cocadieta I can't think of a less punny
way of putting it: it looked very, very unpolished from the rules.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:52 Seth well, i'ts martin wallace
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:11:57 Seth so the rules are crap
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:12:10 Seth the system is pleasantly not bad
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:12:36 Seth there are various approaches to the
game, and lots of opportunity for opportunistic plays
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:12:52 cocadieta He tends to make the same
game three or four times, and I usually like one of each set. I'm looking forward
to him revisiting this game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:12:58 Seth I love the player order thing...
you reorder turn order each round based on how much everyone spent
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:13:27 Seth so you can combo up plays
sometimes, and you have to sometimes
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:13:45 Seth becuase you'll NEED to do 3 things
before player B does 1
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:13:50 Seth (you do 2 per turn)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:13:57 Seth so you have to work the turn order
sometimes
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:15:00 cocadieta Neat.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:15:28 Seth I lost last game becuase I screwed
that turn order thing up I think
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:15:53 Seth another player basically used up
all the ports I was going to use the following turn :(
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:15:59 Seth screwed me a bit
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:16:44 Seth If you try it, I recommend learning
from Isamoor's restructured rules
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:16:48 Seth not the rulebook
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:16:53 Seth \it's nicely done
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:17:04 cocadieta I didn't have a problem
learning the rules.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:17:14 cocadieta Understanding them, rather.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/file/download/30109/Brass_Restructured_Rules_v1.pdf
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:17:44 cocadieta I did have a problem with the
clunkiness of the rules themselves. It just looks like it needed a developer.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:18:00 Seth I will say this about Wallace - his
stuff does have emergent strategy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:18:24 Seth the graphic design and rules
presentation could have used a developer - the game design isn't bad
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:18:44 Seth there are some oddities, like the
stupid virtual link in Liverpol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:19:57 cocadieta Are you kidding? It's his
most over-wrought game by a factor of two.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:20:21 Seth how do you mean?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:20:52 Seth this is an alright review...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:21:28 Seth the bit about shipyards at the end
is incorrect, they aren't unbalanced or anything
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:21:47 cocadieta I think the spiel des josh
list had some comments that matched mine. I'll try to dig it up.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:22:25 cocadieta Yes, Josh's comments match my
thoughts almost exactly:
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:22:49 Seth these comments got me really
interested in trying it...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:24:36 Seth I will say that Brass is definitely
the kind of game you have to play once to get the rules, and again to realize what
you want to do and how you want to do it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:24:51 Seth Game 3 should be a good game with
lots of interaction and subtle play
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:26:44 cocadieta Almost every idea in Brass
seems like it went through no rounds of development.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:27:02 cocadieta "I don't know why this game
has cards, it just seems to work better that way." L O L.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:27:25 Seth the big paragraph in Josh's entry
where he asks all those questions... I think I can answer every single one
reasonably - maybe not to his satisfaction though
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:27:48 Seth this is funny: It's a very bad sign
when the rulebook includes an apology at the end saying something like, "There
really is no good way to explain this game."
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:28:00 Seth I think there's a fine way to
explain it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:28:18 Seth you just have to know how to play
before you can
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:28:24 Seth and MW is bad at it
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:28:31 Seth (explaining/writing rulebooks)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:29:22 cocadieta The big paragraph in Josh's
entry does a good job of illustrating the undercooked nature of the ideas. It is
totally irrelevant whether there is a good answer to these questions.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:29:55 cocadieta (Not *totally* irrelevant,
OK)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:31:56 cocadieta Anyway I'll try it eventually
and I really can keep an open mind--I'd like nothing more than to be wrong!--but I
haven't heard anything to indicate that I might be wrong here.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:33:40 cocadieta In other news, Loko Werks is
an arithmetically intense little exercise, isn't it? I haven't summed so many
numbers since grammar school.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:34:22 cocadieta Brass's presentation is also
really bad, certainly their worse board since Princes of the Renaissance.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:36:34 Seth I don't mind the board in Brass.
the cards could use work (I wish the map cards had pictures of the industries in
their cities on them
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:37:20 Seth Play brass twice, preferably in
quick succession and with the same people, then revisit your opinion on it and see
what you think
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:37:36 Seth I normally don't like games that
are relatable to math homework (see: Torres)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:37:45 Seth but I didn't mind it too much in LW
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:37:48 cocadieta Anyway as a newly minted
Winsome junkie I can only moan about presentation so much before I turn into a
hypocrite.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:37:59 Seth lol
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:38:25 Seth Actually, in retrospect I think I
would quickly get annoyed at the amount of math necessary to play LW well
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:38:50 cocadieta Even though I think their
presentations are basically fine. Loko Werks is particularly nice-looking, we all
thought.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:39:26 Seth i play a lot of prototypes, and
playing LW and Wabash Cannonball, I felt like I was playing a prototype
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:39:33 Seth in general I have no problem
playing prototypes
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:39:40 cocadieta Yeah, you're doing dozens of
sums in LW, one after another. Very single-minded--you're never NOT doing sums.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:39:48 Seth but I wouldn't want to purchase a
game that I think I could make a nicer copy of at home
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:40:27 Seth I'm not actually done with it, but
already my OP prototype looks more like a published game than WC or LW!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:40:31 cocadieta LW, really? I don't know what
I'd change. The colors are a little unsubtle. The line drawings of trains are
really neat, the cards look good...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:41:00 Seth the cards are paper
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:41:35 Seth and could be easier to read,
graphically - if we're talking production quality
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:41:35 cocadieta Oh, the production chits are
really bad.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:42:19 Seth Even just mounting the board and
surrounding it with some nice art including the name of the game and whatnot, maybe
spaces for the Factory cards
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:42:41 Seth the factory cards have 3 numbers on
them, you only know which is which because you're told by the rules
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:42:51 Seth there's no indication what they are
or what they mean
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:43:12 Seth Most of this doesn't bother me
overmuch, but you asked
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:43:54 Seth I've heard people say there couold
be graphical indication of how the dice move, etc
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:44:56 Seth oh, and there's no good way to
represent which of your chits have been 'used' when you have to do 2 rounds of
production with a factory
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:45:15 cocadieta yes, yes: interface design in
LW is not good.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:45:21 Seth I realize JC will just do this in
his head for you, or reference Dave's method of writing it down...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:46:00 cocadieta And I think it needs to be a
lot better if it has any hope of getting licensed (which it probably doesn't)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:46:26 cocadieta However, I think it is
visually very nice-looking.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:46:32 Seth And JC will tell you "why license
it?" (or he would if it were his game ;))
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:47:11 cocadieta What does JC have to do with
this?!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:47:23 Seth besides, if it did get licensed,
the company doing the licensing would redo graphics, not the designer
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:47:37 Seth we had a discuaaion about that the
other day
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:47:42 Seth nm
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:47:51 Seth *discussion
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:48:37 Seth based on the assertion that I made:
all other things being equal, more people liking a game is strictly better than
fewer people liking the game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:49:16 Seth I should go... should have gone
actually
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:49:31 Seth maybe I'll stop by game night on
the way home... meh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:49:38 Seth it'd ony be for 20 mins
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:49:42 Seth so maybe not
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:50:29 clearclaw waves
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:50:39 cocadieta I wouldn't argue with that
but it does sound like Lawrence bait.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:50:43 clearclaw Ben: How are you with open
NEgotiation games.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:50:47 cocadieta (your assertion)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:50:59 cocadieta What do you mean how am I? I
win them.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:51:17 Seth I think he means: do you like them
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:51:19 clearclaw Are you and your's fans?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:52:48 cocadieta I don't think they're so
interesting generally (with a couple major exceptions). Most people around here
enjoy negotiating and will default to it when it seems reasonable.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:53:18 cocadieta Have fun Seth, talk to you
soon.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:53:26 clearclaw I played Lords of the Spanish
Main last night. I', impressed.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:53:35 clearclaw I'm
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:54:02 cocadieta Cool. I think I've got a game
of American Megafauna scheduled for sometime this summer.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:54:53 cocadieta Lords is a negotiation game?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:54:59 clearclaw Very funky game. Nothing
particularly new mechanically oodles and oodles of piles of chrome, very little
actually dictated by the game-system what little there is of it except a free-
wheeling backdrop for highly asymmetric extortive negotiation.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:00 Seth lotSM sounds alright, but too long
for my tastes... k, I'll ttyl
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:07 Seth see you JC
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:11 clearclaw s/oodles/but oodles/
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:20 clearclaw waves Seth.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:26 clearclaw It helps that I don't care
much about game length.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:55:38 cocadieta Bye Seth.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:56:55 clearclaw I enjoyed it immensely.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:57:27 cocadieta That's the sort of game I
don't care for in general--I have a hard time distinguishing one negotiation game
from another.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:58:09 cocadieta Lords of the Spanish Main vs.
Quo Vadis? vs. Struggle of Empires--same thing.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:59:40 clearclaw The self-interest and
advantage patterns are interesting.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:59:48 cocadieta Looking through the game's
entry now for the first time, Lords looks like the pirate game that 'everyone' has
been waiting for. What, it's too long and paper-based for them?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 19:59:57 clearclaw Items are very hard to
evaluate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:00:14 clearclaw And you get them before
they're really possible to evaluate.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:00:57 clearclaw Which makes the players
accumulating sets of special powers who are also stricken with key weaknesses.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:01:08 cocadieta Phase C2, Capitalization and
Skullduggery. That's terrific.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:01:27 clearclaw It is the most interesting
phase of the game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:01:54 clearclaw To give a quick sense, I
wrote this after thinking about last night's game:
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:05:59 clearclaw http://pastebin.org/44820
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:06:11 clearclaw Those sorts of decisions are
common and rarely clear.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:06:46 clearclaw (being governor is Very Good)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:08:28 cocadieta Interesting. Glad you liked
it! It's almost without question not for me, but it does look like a hoot.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:08:45 clearclaw It is a hoot.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:10:26 cocadieta One of the groups I play with
is made up of a bunch of really sharp players who love stuff like this, especially
the really chromy thematic stuff. If they haven't played it I'll recommend it.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:11:25 clearclaw There is so much chrome that
I'm not sure it really deserves to be called chrome any more. There's almost
nothing but.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:11:36 cocadieta Ha!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:11:51 clearclaw Its funny, but they've built
the game, and there's a reall and very interesting game in there, out of chrome.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:12:17 clearclaw Without the chrome there
wouldn't be anything there.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:13:15 cocadieta I appreciate Europe
Engulfed's Political Considerations for basically the same reason.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:13:59 cocadieta Congratulations by the way on
a very successful Pampas campaign. I think it's going to be a really good thing for
the niche and the hobby in general.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:14:00 clearclaw nods
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:14:13 clearclaw I hope so
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:14:26 clearclaw You'll probably get yours
either tomorrow or Monday.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:15:49 cocadieta Looking forward to it. John
mentioned in an email that he printed a few copies of a game, and that one of them
had your name on it--it was either West Riding or Riding through England. Has he
mentioned anything like that to you?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:16:03 clearclaw West Riding I think.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:16:27 clearclaw He also printed a couple
extra cases for me of games that have gotten mushed and some have my name on them
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:16:53 cocadieta How nice!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:17:05 clearclaw Quite!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:17:13 clearclaw He's a charming fellow at
times.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:19:14 cocadieta
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/60020 this is the sort of outrageous
detail I'm hoping Riding through England is full of.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:20:37 clearclaw Hehn. Rather Pampas-like.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:23:17 cocadieta Lokomotive Werks was a real
treat and did end up having more flavor of the 18xx train rush than I was
expecting. That game will just pummel you.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:24:50 clearclaw I've still never won a game,
almost 20 games in two. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:24:54 clearclaw s/two/too/
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:25:40 clearclaw Hopefully someone on that
Wabash thread will ask if any company I'm interested in could reach Chicago in the
next round and how that would affect player standings.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:27:07 cocadieta I made a small mistake in the
first turn and a large mistake in the third (simple counting error!). The second
mistake effectively eliminated me from the game, and there was no subtlety: I
couldn't afford any engines. I ended the game with $9 and no assets.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:27:39 clearclaw Oooof.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:28:23 clearclaw One of the guys We played
LotSM with last night has played LW with us a few times. He likes it but has never
failed to come anything but dead last and usually by a sizeable margin.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:28:46 cocadieta Yeah. A short while later,
someone else made a mistake and immediately saw that he had secured himself fourth
place. Two turns later, another mistake, and an immediate and obvious third place
finish.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:29:26 clearclaw We've tried to explain what
we think some of the better choices are for him. Yesterday he said, "I understand
all the words but I still have no idea what you're saying." He's off writing and
running software models now.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:29:34 clearclaw Been there done that.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:29:45 clearclaw (4th, 3rd etc)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:30:15 cocadieta I liked the bluntness of the
engine in that respect though it was not as popular with the rest of the group.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:33:45 clearclaw In an odd way it reminds me
of Farkel.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:34:17 cocadieta I don't know how to answer
your brainteaser unless I know how much money everyone has and what their stocks
are.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:34:36 clearclaw Exactly.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:34:52 clearclaw I wanted to give the illusion
of providing enough data.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:35:29 cocadieta In a direct way it reminds me
of Puerto Rico, if every time you made a mistake the game seized some of your
assets and some cash.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:35:57 cocadieta Got it--yes, there are a lot
of factors that go into that Wabash calculation.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:36:58 clearclaw I'm hoping that someone
catches on to the incomplete context of the example case and then starts to play
with the incentives and who ends up with start player next turn.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:38:56 cocadieta That would be nice. My How to
Win Games article seemed to kill off any discussion. It had been so lively in the
forum just a day prior!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:39:17 clearclaw I think most players assume
that games are more discrete.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:39:33 clearclaw They assume that decisions
actually do have binary answers.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:44:05 cocadieta J R Tracy was one of my
opponents in Tuesday's LW games--his comments are on point, I think.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:44:21 cocadieta (in the personal comments
section)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:44:51 clearclaw On Wabash?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:44:58 clearclaw Roughly what rating?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:45:06 clearclaw (to ease finding)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 20:45:07 cocadieta Loko Werks. 7.5
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:07:21 clearclaw It is faintly curious to go
through the Wabash ratings comments and say, "I sold him that game!"
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:09:53 seo Dear Gents, I'm off to bed! Have
fun!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:09:54 cocadieta Do they average high, low, or
about the same as the overall average?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:10:02 cocadieta Night seo.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:10:16 seo seo quit
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:12:22 clearclaw 7.5+
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:15:16 clearclaw The sub-6s I notice are
Takagi & Hareesh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:15:33 clearclaw Hareesh's comments are
amusing (6.0)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:19:07 cocadieta Those are nice comments, they
suggest a rating higher than 5.5!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:19:46 clearclaw IIRC: rockusultimus.
krummnacker, Mikko Saari, Mikko Ämmälä, Mikko Roimaa, Hannu Sinisalo, Matthew
Bond, Mark Casiglio.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:21:25 clearclaw Tommy Ryytty, Joerg Schaefer
I think they all bought from me
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:21:27 cocadieta Glad the Finns like it so
much. I'd expect them to.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:21:53 clearclaw I adore Shade Jon's comment:
The board is bad and small, so we played on a hand made larger version. It's all
math, and I mathematically calculated that once behind, you're staying behind which
made me rather grumpy. Others I played with weren't as convinced about this. Be
careful.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:22:03 clearclaw Yeah, Takagi's comment is
great.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:22:38 clearclaw Err, Hareesh's comments that
is.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:22:59 clearclaw Why would you expect?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:41:42 cocadieta When I read about Wal-Mart,
which I do about once every three months, I am always as surprised by the things I
read as I was the first time I read them.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:42:01 clearclaw ?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:42:47 cocadieta The normal stuff about their
uncompromising dealings with suppliers.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:43:04 clearclaw ahh
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:43:23 cocadieta And the peripheral
information--did you know half of the pairs of jeans in this country sell for less
than $20 a pair?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:43:51 cocadieta I can't even imagine what a
$19 pair of jeans would look like.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:43:56 clearclaw That's what I buy mine for --
$16-$18ea
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:46:31 cocadieta That's an inconceivable
figure to me, and this is coming from someone who thinks mcdonald's is overpriced.
Priorities!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:46:48 clearclaw How so?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:47:04 cocadieta I missed your comments
above--Yehuda's note on WC is one of my favorites. He played that game with Ted
Alspach if I remember right.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:47:10 clearclaw I close to never eat at fast
food joints.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:47:17 clearclaw Yeah he did.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:47:47 clearclaw I buy jeans at Costco
(warehouse store) for $16-$18 ea. Seems fairly reasonable for a clothing item that
will last a couple years.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:48:12 cocadieta I just love yehuda's
language. Mathematically calculated--I want him to show his work!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:48:24 clearclaw Also.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:48:42 clearclaw Calculation is easy. Proof
is not.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:49:05 clearclaw I've long thought that
Ratings comments should be thread roots.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:49:26 cocadieta That is a terrific idea!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:51:17 cocadieta I buy high-quality Japanese
denim now--it's become something of a hobby. Before that I was spending $50 to $70
for a pair of reasonable-quality jeans that lasted a couple of years.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:51:37 clearclaw What's the difference?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:52:46 cocadieta Basically: weight, quality of
construction, indigo density, and cut (fashion).
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:53:36 Zzzzz Game : Container ---- Players : 5
------- Expected Player Comment on End : ??
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:53:45 clearclaw nods. I'm about as in touch
with fashion as your average shambling wreck.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:53:49 clearclaw Zzzzz?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:56:27 Zzzzz feels the overall game was lacking.
Player production force into two possible options, selling from warehouse forced
into two possible options, top half of player board pointless...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:56:42 clearclaw Wha?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:56:50 clearclaw How forced?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:57:16 Zzzzz sell it seemed that there was so
much production going on that players seemed to force each other into lowballing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:57:46 Zzzzz with cost so low it caused the same
issue on selling
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:57:50 cocadieta Games of Container,
especially among new players, often form what I've been calling 'scavenger
economies.'
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:57:59 clearclaw Then you have either poor
players, or the player frocing players down was converting to shipping for the end-
game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:07 Zzzzz for the most part all costs seemed
to reside in the lowest two options
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:17 clearclaw Otherwise there's too much
strong incentive to push prices UP.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:25 clearclaw Poor players.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:32 Zzzzz maybe
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:35 cocadieta In these economies--where
everyone is looking to get the best deal they can--the warehouse players get
screwed because margins become unacceptably tight.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:58:59 Zzzzz oddly enough....
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:04 Zzzzz laughs a little....
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:08 clearclaw Quite, and warehouse players
have the most flexibility, the least overhead and the least sunk-costs.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:13 cocadieta The heavy producers do OK
because their income derivatives are good.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:24 Zzzzz the winner was an all out
wareshousing player
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:43 clearclaw Yep, newbie game that nobody
had thought thru
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:45 Zzzzz never produced a single thing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 21:59:53 cocadieta Really. Where did his points
come from?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:00:02 Zzzzz which screwed me a little (though
not really) because I was to his right
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:00:22 Zzzzz people kept buying from him, and he
would cash in on the auctions
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:00:41 cocadieta Holding them or buying at
them?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:00:52 Zzzzz i was doing ok, until I overbid
atwo auctions in a row, depleted my funds a little to low
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:01:20 Zzzzz Not sure totally since I am a newb
to the game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:01:34 cocadieta It's my experience that
auction lots tend to sell for reasonable prices regardless of margins elsewhere--so
in a scavenger economy, the winner is the player who held the most auctions.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:01:39 Zzzzz i tried the bid often, big *high*
as commented by JC for this game
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:02:16 cocadieta If everyone is underbidding
at auction, you can win the game by wining auctions.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:02:27 Zzzzz but I did not want to take a loan
so at one point I was really depleted because my available resources were undesired
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:02:45 Zzzzz anyways it was odd
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:03:04 Zzzzz i felt overly bored, and yet still
intrigued
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:03:05 clearclaw Loans are not bad
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:03:15 Zzzzz yeah I took one
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:03:21 Zzzzz but it was too late
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:03:32 clearclaw I'll usually take between 5
and 10 during the course of a game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:04:06 Zzzzz I think I would have really been ok
if I thought that way from the beginning
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:04:10 cocadieta Denim is like any other
hobby--everyone geeks out on the internet over pocket stitching and denim weight.
Hundreds of pages of sizing questions and photographs. Overwhelmingly heterosexual.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:04:18 Zzzzz I jumped out to a huge lead
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:04:45 Zzzzz but could not keep up because i had
little money to spend on items to sell
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:04:52 clearclaw I'm a jeans & T-shirt kind
guy, usually something plain
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:05 Zzzzz anyways.. i need to try it a few
more times to make sure it was not the playerss (including myself)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:07 clearclaw It is very hard to dect
"lead" in the early and mid-game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:15 clearclaw detect
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:18 Zzzzz agreed
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:36 Zzzzz but at one point I had something
like 10 container *lead*
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:55 cocadieta A local wargamer's favorite
perjorative generic name for Euros is Bid Low to Win.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:05:59 clearclaw It is quite possible to win
the game without ever getting a container on the island.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:06:21 Zzzzz so I thought if I could keep up a
decent pace I would have been ok, but i screwed up somewhere. still trying to
replay the game in my head to understand where
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:06:37 clearclaw There's a lot of tempo to
Container.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:06:48 cocadieta Somehow it became adopted as
Container's title. Everybody wants to play Bid Low to Win this week.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:06:54 Zzzzz how so?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:07:18 clearclaw How so which?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:07:33 Zzzzz describe to me how you see the
tempo
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:08:25 Zzzzz or are you saying it is directly
tied to the players playing abilities
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:08:37 clearclaw Say you're warehouse player,
you warehouses are empty and the player to your left has an empty ship at sea. You
also have an empty ship at sea. Only one player has goods in their warehouse. The
only other factory player is either empty or almost empty. What do you do?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:09:24 Zzzzz buy the goods
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:09:34 clearclaw And?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:09:43 clearclaw Which goods?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:09:56 Zzzzz both
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:10:44 clearclaw Why not buy from the
warehouse player and go back to sea? That way the player to your left (assuming he
isn't a factory player) has absolutely nothing to do on his turn.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:11:36 Zzzzz i would do that first... and
potentially buy the producers goods so I had more reason for people to dock and buy
my warehoused goods
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:12:19 clearclaw Both work. It depends very
much in what phase position each of the other players are in.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:12:27 cocadieta Unless the player to his left
is about to head to the island and you're short on cash. Then you might want to buy
the factory goods and sell them at premium prices. It's a gamble.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:12:29 Zzzzz true
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:12:45 Zzzzz true to both
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:13:01 Zzzzz the issue seem to be impacted by
two players *over* producing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:13:11 Zzzzz there was a ton of resources to buy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:13:28 Zzzzz so the warehouse player seem to get
great deals with 1 or 2 cost per resource
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:14:35 Zzzzz well i just wanted to poke in and
ask opinions. like I said I am sure i added to the *bad* play being my first time
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:14:50 clearclaw It is not an easy game to
play well.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:15:10 cocadieta By 'bad' do you mean you
didn't enjoy it, or...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:15:22 Zzzzz sure and add in multiple players
that play poorly and you get a bad end result
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:16:10 Zzzzz by *bad* i mean suboptimal play on
my part, like I said there was one or two bids that I overbid. it hurt me in the
long run
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:16:20 Zzzzz really overbid
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:16:47 Zzzzz i recall one being like 2x the next
price
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:16:58 cocadieta Yikes
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:17:05 clearclaw How much were you bidding?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:17:06 Zzzzz that or others all really underbid
the initial few rounds
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:17:21 Zzzzz i think I did a 10 on like the
second auction
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:17:29 cocadieta how many bricks?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:17:51 Zzzzz 2 or 3
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:06 cocadieta for one brick, that's a crazy
bid. For two it's good, and for three it's a bargain.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:10 clearclaw Wow, that's *really* early
for that big a load.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:34 clearclaw $6-$8 per container is
roughly right.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:46 Zzzzz yeah I think it was two, well the
guy who went first built a factory and produced two items
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:47 cocadieta A 3-brick load doesn't make
any sense early in the game. Nobody ban afford anything close to market value.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:18:56 clearclaw Exactly
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:19:25 cocadieta That's a reasonable first
move though not my favorite (factory, produce)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:19:35 Zzzzz the other flaw was that at
somepoint, like I said there was this almost automatic sell it a 2
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:19:54 clearclaw Yeah, the auto-pricing is a
sign of unthinking players.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:07 Zzzzz it was really strange. at no point
did someone felt the need to *up* pricing
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:14 clearclaw My usual opening is
warehouse/buy
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:20 Zzzzz feel*
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:31 clearclaw Why not up pricing? Put
pressure on!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:39 cocadieta Unthinking is a little harsh.
The benefits of pricing high vs. slicing margins razor-thin are not at all obvious.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:20:47 clearclaw Othereise there's nothing
left but an advantage for factory players and everything rests on the auction.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:03 Zzzzz you tell me, why not? i have no
idea why they did not up prices
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:13 cocadieta I can tell you:
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:14 clearclaw I think the pattern of
collusively forcing prices up is pretty obvious. $/action.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:16 Zzzzz all i know is that if I tried to
produce and sell higher, it sat there for rounds and rounds
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:52 cocadieta Players will often make the
following evaluation: "I would rather make a profit of $1 than you make a profit of
$2."
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:21:52 clearclaw Then build up 8 containers,
charge a premium and let the warehouse guy with 5 warehouses also charge a premium.
5 container loads are worth more.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:22:16 cocadieta The more challenging next
step is: "I would rather the two of us each make a profit of $3."
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:22:32 clearclaw Exactly, that doesn't seem
too obtuse.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:22:42 clearclaw may be biased.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:23:06 Zzzzz agreed but for some reason the two
main producers did not seem to realize they both should up pricing. so their lack
of playing caused that main issue. which directly impacted the other costs
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:23:18 cocadieta In my experience it's not at
all intuitive, just like nothing else in Bid Low is intuitive.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:23:20 clearclaw Yep
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:23:54 Zzzzz thx... time for me to head out.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:24:04 clearclaw waves
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:24:05 Zzzzz like I said I have to play again.
it might just be the players
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:24:17 Zzzzz go back to your over priced
jeans :P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:24:25 cocadieta New players here are thrilled
when they discover the power that the retailers can have by pricing high.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:24:35 clearclaw Get a strategy/analysis talk
going among the players. Sound out these concepts. Get them thinking first.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:36 Zzzzz sure if they listen. most dont seem
to like that game anymore, or at least feel it is not *their* type of game
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:41 cocadieta But it's normal for games
with all new players to have low sticker prices.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:44 Zzzzz oh and how long should the game
really take?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:53 Zzzzz this might intrigue you too...
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:57 cocadieta 2-3 hours.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:25:57 clearclaw 120-150 minutes.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:26:09 clearclaw Yeah, 180 with newbies
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:26:11 Zzzzz ok that was right. though it seemed
longer
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:26:25 Zzzzz good night
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:26:35 cocadieta 3 hours for a slowish group
playing five players. Night!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:26:55 cocadieta Our four-player games are at
about 90 minutes now, which is a great length for this game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:27:17 clearclaw I don't think we've gotten
that low.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:28:15 cocadieta Generally we can double the
published playing time of any game. Bid Low seems to be an exception.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:30:27 clearclaw Zzzzz quit (timeout)
http://gammonsoft.serveftp.net/games/gameselect.jsp The AI in this Farkel
version is surprisingly good. It scales risk-taking nicely for how far ahead-
behind it is, though it doesn't cap the risk at the extremes which is perhaps a
problem.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:34:31 cocadieta Neat, thanks!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:34:51 clearclaw Welcome.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:35:39 cocadieta i've got a bit of text you
might be interested in--what was that funny paste-me site you pointed me to
earlier?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:35:56 clearclaw pastebin.org
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:36:02 clearclaw (very useful place BTW)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:37:03 cocadieta http://pastebin.org/44837 -
an excerpt from a mailing list email
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:38:00 clearclaw Diggers?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:38:30 cocadieta I'm sorry?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:38:49 clearclaw Diggers list -- a private
follow-on from Spielfrieks.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:39:50 cocadieta Even Spielfrieks is private
to me--isn't that group sealed off? No, just one of the local groups' lists. (J
R's)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:40:15 clearclaw Speilfireks is officially
open but due to an admin goof requires request to join.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:40:50 clearclaw Diggers is formally
invitation/sponsorship-only. Very clubby.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:41:08 clearclaw Membership maps fairly well
to GoF.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:41:14 clearclaw (I am not a member)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:41:35 clearclaw I like that LW description.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:41:43 clearclaw It should hit BGG somewhere.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:42:05 cocadieta I'll polish it up and send it
out somehow after another game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:42:16 clearclaw Cool.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:42:22 cocadieta Surprised not to have seen
anyone calling it a slot machine yet.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:42:54 clearclaw It isn't the model I would
have thought f (didn't hink of), but then I'm very disconnected from that world.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:42:58 clearclaw But it works.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:45:04 cocadieta We were curious about the
five player setup vs. the 3-4 player setup. The five-player setup seems to make
some assumptions that we didn't necessarily agree with.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:47:42 clearclaw Like?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:47:48 cocadieta I'm not sure that's the right
way to put it. The economy of the first couple of turns is so different in the
five-player game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:48:11 cocadieta The extra dice on the first
machine.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:48:11 clearclaw Very much so. I think I
prefer 5P but have mostly played 4P.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:48:18 clearclaw I do not like 3P
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:48:50 clearclaw The extra dice on the first
machine?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:49:14 cocadieta The 3-4 player game starts
with a fully-loaded green 1 train
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:49:19 cocadieta market
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:49:43 clearclaw yes
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:49:59 cocadieta The five-player game starts
with one die on that market and that's it.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:50:14 clearclaw doesn't remember that.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:50:50 cocadieta Everyone gets $14, nobody
gets any factories, and the game starts with just one die rolled.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:51:36 clearclaw I misrecall 5P setup
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:53:06 cocadieta The assumption *seems* to be
that all or three of the green factories sell first, and one or two people will buy
a red factory. I'm just not sure that's really what will/should happen.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:53:23 cocadieta At any rate it is much
different than starting everyone with a factory, $10, and a fully-loaded green
market.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 22:54:36 clearclaw Very much so.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:00:44 cocadieta My mistake, for what it's
worth: As the third player, buying the green $4 factory and 5 production chits. Of
course that market never rolled above a 3 for the rest of the game, except when I
managed to be later in the turn order than the other investor in that market.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:04:20 clearclaw How much cash were you
sitting on when you made that decision?
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:05:31 cocadieta $14
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:06:03 clearclaw ooof
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:06:11 clearclaw That's relying on the dice
rather a lot
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:08:27 cocadieta There was ~ a 50% shot of
making enough money to buy a red train on turn 3
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:10:13 cocadieta I miscalculated on either
turn 3 or 4 and thought that holding out one more round would let me buy the $12
yellow train. I botched a simple calculation a couple turns later and passed up a
buying opportunity that would be my last for the game.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:11:13 cocadieta (oops--the first sentence
should be cut)
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:11:42 clearclaw I've made thatmistake ore
than once.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:15:00 cocadieta Right, that's it for me. I'm
unlikely to be around tomorrow, if I don't see you have a good weekend.
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:15:28 clearclaw Enjoy!
ch_SpielTalk! 19/06/2008 23:15:52 cocadieta cocadieta quit
sej-prototyping
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:41:17 sej-prototyping Ben (recklessjester) had
a good comment on my blog... maybe I'll try removing the red cubes from the game
altogether (instead of trying to make them wild).
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:41:31 sej-prototyping Red planets can be just
for big colonizing points.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:42:02 clearclaw Go back to the base logical
problem of the game: do they serve that problem or not?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:43:46 sej-prototyping well, in my head, the
big endgame play for the player who colonized a red planet was that he'd deliver a
red cube (maybe 2)...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:44:27 sej-prototyping but maybe that's too far
out, time wise... the problem is that noone ever really gets a chance to deliver
red, it's not worth it for some resaon
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:44:32 sej-prototyping I think the game ends
too soon for it
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:44:53 sej-prototyping so I was going to try
making them wild, which hopefully meant you'd also finish a tile if you deliver it
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:45:04 sej-prototyping but Ben's suggestion
sounds cleaner to me
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:45:22 sej-prototyping just forget the red
cubes - that eliminates some cubes (like 6) and some tiles from the game
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:46:09 sej-prototyping by the time you can get
a red cube, there's no way to effectlvely use it to buy an upgrade (too late), so I
don't even think I have Red in the upgrade costs
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:46:20 clearclaw It sounds like you are
searching for the game rather than crafting a game to fit your problem.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:46:31 sej-prototyping and the big endgame play
for the Explorer strategy is the colonizing of a red planet
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:46:51 sej-prototyping the problem was
originally with the game nd trigger
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:47:01 sej-prototyping but now I have a game
end trigger that I like
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:47:26 sej-prototyping but the game cuts short
before delivering Red cubes is a realized action
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:47:26 clearclaw "What game does this pattern
make best?" versus "How do I craft a game which defines XYZ?"
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:47:46 sej-prototyping but the thing is, red
cubes/red delivery tiles is just more of the same thing
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:48:00 sej-prototyping like, say AoS train
level went up higher than it does
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:48:09 sej-prototyping no need, game eds before
that would be useful
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:48:26 sej-prototyping so it can be trimmed to
the current level
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:48:43 sej-prototyping I think that's what this
is like - I have 3 layers of stuff, when 2 is enough
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:48:53 sej-prototyping (2.5 I guess)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:49:02 sej-prototyping With the
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:49:12 sej-prototyping new" (smaller) board,
the red tiles get used properly
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:49:22 sej-prototyping I like that I decided to
reward 2vp for exploring them
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:49:44 sej-prototyping validates one of the
strategic paths I wanted to be available
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:50:07 sej-prototyping as does colonizing red
planets
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:50:30 sej-prototyping I almost want to say red
planets are worth extra VPs if you choose Red for the Colony
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:50:44 sej-prototyping (otherwise why not just
eliminate them and stick with 3 colors ofplanets)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:51:40 sej-prototyping I've always thought the
value of the distant colonies might enot be enough
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:52:04 sej-prototyping this actually implies
that I could make blue and green worth 2, yellow 3, and red 4
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:52:23 sej-prototyping that might help some
other number balancing, and it would be easy (I could write it on the tile)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 01:52:29 sej-prototyping no memorizing needed
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 02:05:17 sej-prototyping ... goddamn spam in he
bgdf blog :(
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 02:05:41 sej-prototyping sej-prototyping changes
his/her nickname to sej-Burn Notice
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ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 02:28:02 ReneWiersma ReneWiersma quit
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ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 06:16:17 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 06:59:30 Gogolski joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:05:37 seo Fred!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:06:32 Gogolski Hi seo!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:06:47 seo What's new?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:08:55 Gogolski The weekend is, it just
started!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:10:31 Gogolski Today, during work, I was
thinking about making a game that revolves around gossip.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:15:16 seo Lucky you, your weekend starts
before mine does. :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:15:48 Gogolski I am ahead of your time...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:16:49 seo I'm chatting with a man from the
future!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:18:26 Gogolski You are! You'll be hearing a
lot about me in time to come... (In my time I'm quite famous, quite the thing if I
may say so myself...)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:19:29 seo You must be. A man that has the
ability to talk with people from the past is quite remarcable
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:20:03 seo Too bad your talent is limited to
just a few hours into the past
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:20:33 Gogolski :oS
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:21:10 Gogolski I really wouldn't want to go
to the past or future to be honest....
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:21:52 Gogolski I'm more a 'now' kind of
guy...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:22:11 seo Now is when :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:22:36 Gogolski Did you read my last session
report on 'the hands'?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:22:53 seo they do have cool gadgets and stuff
in the future, though
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:23:06 seo not yet
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:23:36 seo been busy with Dave wrking on a
joint GDS entry, on top of the "real" work
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:23:39 Gogolski I guess so, we should ask
dnjkirk, he is more from the fututre than I am...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:24:17 seo I've heard they have trouble
getting beer, so far into the future, so maybe it's not that good
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:25:16 Gogolski That's it! I will stay in the
now forever then. No time can take my beer away!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:25:47 seo There's plenty of it here at the
past :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:26:33 Gogolski There even more in my now!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:26:51 doho123 joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:27:00 Gogolski Speaking of beer, I gotta go
and have some in very near now....
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:27:53 seo Hi Scott, we were waiting for you
to come to start talking about games.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:28:26 doho123 mmm
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:28:31 seo Did you see Seth's links to your
BGG fan posts, yesterday?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:29:08 doho123 no. I was chaperoning the
kid's pre-school to the zoo yesterday
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:29:37 seo was it fun? I bet it was.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:29:58 doho123 it was pretty much the
perfect day you'd want for a zoo trip
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:30:15 doho123 no clouds, about 70 degrees F
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:30:52 seo great. I loved to chaperone the
kids when Catalina was younger
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:32:50 seo Dave!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:32:57 seo How was game night?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:32:59 Zzzzz hellooo
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:33:13 Zzzzz interesting
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:33:20 Zzzzz played Container
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:34:15 doho123 I had never been to the
Lincoln Park Zoo before (downtown Chicago on the lakefront)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:34:27 Zzzzz and Flaschenteufel
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:34:42 Zzzzz
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/619
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:36:07 doho123 poor Genji and Wasabi, being
completely pushed aside by Agicola
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:36:12 Gogolski I'm off to "The Speaker's"...
Beer and Friends are waiting for me... See you later all!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:37:05 seo have fun, Fred!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:38:40 Zzzzz how are Genji and Wasabo beig
pushed aside?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:38:47 seo is Flaschenteufel good? I have a
sweet spot for trick taking games
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:39:24 Zzzzz it was interesting
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:39:39 doho123 well, they have been put on
hold until new printers are found, and noone cares as long as MY AGRICOLA GETS
SHIPPED!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:39:46 Zzzzz i actually played better when I was
not thinking
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:40:20 doho123 Gogolski quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:40:53 seo where did you hear that?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:41:05 doho123 boardgamenews.com
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:42:00 doho123 apparently Zev has been
having a bunch of troubles with printers.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:42:42 seo I should resurrect my game printing
project
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:43:40 Zzzzz ugh... that has to be a horrible
impact to his company
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:43:56 Zzzzz he was finally making decent
movement into the market
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:44:13 Zzzzz if he has printing issues that is
going to screw him
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:45:02 doho123 wacky Chinese production
companies strike again!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:45:09 seo hopefully there were just printing
price problems, rather than quality problems
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:45:44 seo We don't want Scott's copy of
Agricola to be all smeared and with weird colors
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:45:59 doho123 I'm not getting a copy of it
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:46:20 seo ah, you were just joking?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:46:46 doho123 well, it's more of a sense of
the geek world
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:46:48 Zzzzz i find it odd that there is NO
mention of Pandemic reprinting in that report. ppl are waiting on that game too
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:46:56 doho123 "Sorry to hear that for Zev.
I hope sales of Agricola will boost his spirits and allow him to come back
stronger"
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:46:59 Zzzzz nvm
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:47:03 Zzzzz i cant read today
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:47:14 doho123 "the third printing of
Pandemic should ship from the printer the week of June 21st "
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:47:58 Zzzzz yeah thus my comment 08:47:03
‹Zzzzz› i cant read today
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:48:51 doho123 "We have put the printing of
Seth Jaffee's 'All For One" game on hold, due to the fact he has requested we send
his prototype back to send it to a competitor."
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:49:21 seo LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:49:56 seo He should send a new email to Zev
telling him "I don't need the prototype anymore"
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:49:59 Zzzzz hehehe
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:50:43 Zzzzz back in a few - baby feeding time
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:50:59 doho123 ha
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:54:34 dnjkirk joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:56:42 seo The Man From The Future arived!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:57:03 dnjkirk yes sir
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:57:07 dnjkirk and the future is bleak
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:57:12 dnjkirk Genji is being postponed :(
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:57:34 seo I heard. Doho told us.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:57:37 doho123 maybe you need to add more
farming stuff!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:58:03 seo You can redo all the cards pics :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:58:27 Zzzzz retheme it
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:59:24 seo Weird market... sheep sell better
than pretty Japanese princesses
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 08:59:49 doho123 too much clothes on the
Japanese princesses
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:00:07 seo He should have followed your advice
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:00:22 seo I remember you posted some ref
pics...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:02:13 dnjkirk ahhh Scott and his reference
pics!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:02:37 doho123 I could find those again if
you want
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:04:13 dnjkirk let me guess, you searched
under "Japanese snail porn"
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:04:44 dnjkirk ahh finally booked my Bangkok
flight
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:05:04 dnjkirk so many flights, and I am
heading to Singapore tomorrow with the family
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:05:05 doho123 no, right about the time you
were doing that stuff, the one japanese culture webiste I was glancing at was
interviewing some artist who does that kind of stuff
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:05:53 dnjkirk you read it for the articles.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:06:25 doho123 http://pingmag.jp/
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:06:34 doho123 it's mostly about art and
design in Japan
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:12:33 dnjkirk
http://pingmag.jp/2007/01/09/karuta-japanese-card-games/
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:12:38 dnjkirk there's a good article
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:16:13 seo there are some great looking cards
there! I particularly like the calligraphy in the Hyakunin Isshu sample.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:16:55 seo And the Mame Ichi roku and Dosai
Karuta cards look fantastic too.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:18:50 dnjkirk Japanese design kicks ass
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:19:03 dnjkirk I do love the stroiking red
and black
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:19:16 dnjkirk such primal colours
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:19:37 seo yepp
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:20:12 seo Hyakunin Isshu looks a bit like
male Genji cards :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:21:58 dnjkirk basically yes, I copied the
style of Hyakunin isshu
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:22:22 dnjkirk with a bit of Hanafuda design
thrown in
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:26:36 Zzzzz ugh
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:26:38 Zzzzz :(
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:26:40 Zzzzz :P
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:26:50 Zzzzz must get more work done but have no
desire!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:29:08 seo Guys: we need you to vote for our
GDS entry. Dave will say it sin't true, but he threatened with quitting game design
if he doesn't win this time
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:29:38 seo With that said, I gotta go pick up
Catalina from school
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:29:50 seo will be back pretty soon
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:29:56 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:40:34 doho123 My guess i syou are entry 10
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:45:48 Zzzzz what would be your reason for that
guess ?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:48:08 doho123 pretty graphics on a tennis
court background
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:49:44 seo I think it's a green felt card
playing table top
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 09:57:49 seo Well, at least "pretty graphics"
sounds more as a compliment than "bad English" (Seth's preferred guessing method)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:00:06 dnjkirk Yeah, you can spot Seth's
English a mile away! :)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:00:27 doho123 it usually includes things
like "emergent strategies"
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:00:41 dnjkirk mmmmm I raided the fridge and
found both a beer and chocolate chip cookies.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:03:20 dnjkirk I was thinking of entering
this GDS, but I could never design anything that was all card-driven
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:03:36 dnjkirk cards are too tough to put
into games.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:03:51 dnjkirk I prefer lichen
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:07:48 dnjkirk Holy crap, It's June 20th...
and there is JEAN BAPTISTE in entry 10!!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:08:45 dnjkirk (4 days early)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:09:01 Zzzzz-yepp-working joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:13:12 dnjkirk So my whole family is sick
except me
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:13:15 dnjkirk I'm just tired
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:13:21 dnjkirk together, we are sick and
tired
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:14:14 seo Zzzzz-yepp-working quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:36:45 seo Entry 10 has to be from a French
Canadian!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:36:56 seo Larienna?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:39:32 seo BTW, I was talking about Seth
telling he would id our entry by looking at the one with the bad English
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:56:20 Zzzzz eek
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 10:56:59 Zzzzz <--- or typos
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 11:00:03 Zzzzz i want to play more games! more
games!!!!!! i need some way to play like 40 games, sort of sejCon-ish like event
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 11:00:52 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 11:03:56 dnjkirk dnjkirk changes his/her
nickname to dnjkirk - afk
seo-afk
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 11:52:11 seo-afk dnjkirk - afk quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:19:29 Seth My ears were burning
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:19:38 Seth (like 2 hours ago)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:19:43 Seth Morning all
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:58:11 doho123 morning?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:59:31 Seth well, technically it's noon (any
second now)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 12:59:39 Seth but I'd just logged on, so virtual
morning
sej-lunch
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 13:25:53 seo-afk seo-afk changes his/her
nickname to seo
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 14:31:53 Zzzzz ..
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 14:33:01 clearclaw2 doho123 quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 14:38:50 sej-lunch .
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 14:38:54 sej-lunch sej-lunch changes his/her
nickname to Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 14:48:25 Seth ..
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:24 clearclaw2 .
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:32 Seth What's up JC?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:38 Seth Anything new?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:45 Seth I just arranged for some gaming
today
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:51 Seth game of brass at 9
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:06:55 Seth other gaming at 4:30
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:03 Seth prolly MoA
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:08 clearclaw2 14hours on the phone
yesterday and looks like being another 6+ hours today. I love my life.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:20 Seth is annoyed that he didn't finish OP
proto, because he want's to play it
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:27 Seth oh, fun
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:38 clearclaw2 I got called out of a very
nice dream y'day at about 06:00 and finally got off that call around 16:00.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:50 clearclaw2 Then the next call started.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:07:58 Seth Do you know this guy?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/heli
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:08:46 clearclaw2 yes
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:09:35 Seth does he ask stupid questions in
general? I think I've noticed him ask some stupid questions on BGG lately. It's
like he has the right answer but 'just wants to check'
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:09:55 clearclaw2 He indirectly persuaded me to
play and thus discover Greentown. His comments on LotSM also drew me in that
direction.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:11:07 clearclaw2 Rick Heli is a very long way
from stupid and is probably more experienced and capable game review (and player)
than Schloesser or Vasal put together. Easily in Chris Farrell's class, tho a
little less articulate (and I disagree with Chris more).
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:11:24 Seth hmm
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:11:36 Seth so the posts I've seen ... maybe I
misremember them
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:11:44 clearclaw2 Rick is almost entirely a
non-confrontational game player.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:12:24 clearclaw2 Many of Rick's posts require
understanding either his sense of humour, which is dry, or his viewpoint, which is
particular
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:12:48 clearclaw2 Happily he's written enough
that understanding either is not difficult.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:13:10 clearclaw2 His website is a solid little
resource.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:13:38 Seth I'll check it out
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:16:54 Seth I like his comments on the PotE
expansion
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:16:59 Seth which I have not seen in action yet
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:17:00 Seth but want to
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:33:02 Seth ... I think this is one of the
comments I meant
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:33:30 Seth but his thread on the subject made
it sound more like he did know the rule, but thought he saw other peopel doing it
differently...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 15:33:43 Seth so I retract my stupid question
comment
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ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 17:42:09 Zzzzz YO!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 17:58:03 clearclaw2 Yo_MA!
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ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:00 cocadieta Anyone around?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:12 clearclaw2 lo
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:14 clearclaw2 (ish)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:20 cocadieta Short visit from me this
evening. I did get my Pampas Railroads today.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:34 cocadieta Thanks very much! I
appreciate the surprise as well.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:36 clearclaw2 Yay!
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:39 clearclaw2 Welcome
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:29:51 clearclaw2 I'm enjoying how nobody is
saying what it is
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:30:21 cocadieta We are civil people. You
promised a surprise, nobody's going to ruin it.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:30:30 clearclaw2 Hehn.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:31:04 cocadieta Did you see the paper John
printed the score track on? Hysterical.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:31:17 clearclaw2 utterly
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:31:30 clearclaw2 I also love the sprial.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:31:34 cocadieta I LOLed.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:31:48 clearclaw2 Have you seen the original
income track?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:32:07 cocadieta No.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:32:25 clearclaw2 It was two rows of boxes
(1/2/3/4/5/ and 6/7/8/9/10 with x1 znd x10 markers for each company
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:32:39 clearclaw2 (and a 0 slot)
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:32:44 cocadieta Oh yes, I had seen that.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:32:47 clearclaw2 Very quaint.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:33:05 cocadieta That's one word for it. The
spiral is an improvement, amazingly.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:33:21 clearclaw2 chuckles.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:33:59 clearclaw2 Sorry I'm a littl distracted
-- on con call
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:34:27 cocadieta I'm looking through the riles
now. Some neat stuff already.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:34:33 cocadieta uh, rules.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:34:38 clearclaw2 Yeah
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:34:46 clearclaw2 The change in the value of
development is massive.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:35:00 clearclaw2 very much a game of track
competition -- access cutting is big.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:37:30 cocadieta I've also been promised a
'surprise' with my Riding Through England game.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:37:45 cocadieta The original Winsome
prototype of Railroad Tycoon, probably.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:38:23 clearclaw2 Hehn.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:48:31 cocadieta I was wondering why you would
ever want to develop Buenos Aires before I got to the and of the develop section.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:48:53 cocadieta I'd still be surprised if
buenos develops much...
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:49:16 clearclaw2 What about if a company has 3
connectioons built out of it?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:49:21 clearclaw2 did that
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:50:06 clearclaw2 The two companies I held
majorities in both owned multiple connections out of BA. Thus Dev there gave me
disproportionate benefits. I also owned most of the connections out of Cordoba.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:50:07 cocadieta I didn't 'get to' so much as
'skip ahead to.' If income boosts per link, then OK, it makes a lot more sense.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:50:29 clearclaw2 Thus Devving those two fast
(and I paid for doubles) gave me money
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:50:55 clearclaw2 Income is the sume of both
ends of a link, or in dev, the delta for every connected link
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:51:29 cocadieta I think we'll be happy to use
the cards and not your action track (though we'll certainly use the rest of the
aid). I think those cards are really nice.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:51:37 clearclaw2 Like Wabash, a comoaby income
can always be recreated through board examination.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:52:42 clearclaw2 It is really nice to see how
many actions are left when planning actions. That's why I like the tracks.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:53:10 cocadieta We'll keep all the cards laid
out. When you take an action you'll take a card and put it in front of you.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:54:30 cocadieta Same function as the track
with the added benefits of seeing who's chosen what actions that round (of
admittedly limited utility) and having nice illustrations on the table.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:56:07 clearclaw2 nods
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:56:24 clearclaw2 We didn't like that as we
didn't liek the extra fiddle or collecting them.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:56:43 clearclaw2 So we laid the cards out by
the side of the board and one player was resp. for flipping them as actions were
taken.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 18:57:29 cocadieta It's the sort of detail I
know my groups will all really like, though I understand not being crazy about the
cards.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:01:13 cocadieta In your experience, how often
do players put up their own stock for sale?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:01:43 clearclaw2 Much more than Wabash
(there's more stock in the game), but not all that often.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:02:05 clearclaw2 Players go hunting partners
or go defending against getting unwanted partners more in pampas
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:02:28 cocadieta I meant offering literally
their own shares
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:03:10 cocadieta As, I guess, money-raising? A
player with three shares of a profitable company while everyone else has none,
looking to make some cash while not giving up his position of power?
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:16:55 cocadieta Woah, crazy final payoff.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:26:59 cocadieta Right, that's going to do it
for me. Onto bigger and better things. Have a good weekend.
ch_SpielTalk! 20/06/2008 19:27:13 cocadieta On to.
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pv_22140673514a321bc532bd9d46cf172c_f436751be613ca1d4fcb795d29a80bf3 21/06/2008
05:27:43 seo I'm an idiot! I forgot the values on the Performer
cards! :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:39:45 Seth ...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:39:51 Seth Played Brass and 2x Container today
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:39:58 Seth and watched newbies play Brass
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:40:05 Seth I won, didn't take any loans
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:40:27 Seth got lots of income, made some big
Cotton Mills and built 2 level 2 shipyards
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:40:37 Seth no level 1's - not enough income by
that time
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:41:08 Seth Ryan got *75* points from links in
the Rail Era
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:41:11 Seth (that's a lot)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:41:54 Seth Hmm
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:42:07 Seth I was just told I needed a plugin
to see stuff on this page
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:42:11 Seth I find that doubtful
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:42:19 Seth it was a flash plugin
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:42:28 Seth well, I think I should consider
sleep now...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:42:55 seo Hey
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:43:16 Seth Hola
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:43:30 seo which page? the chat?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:43:36 Seth First game of Container was a
disaster for me... I got stuck under 2 loans and couldn't get out!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:43:41 Seth yes, the chat
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:43:46 seo weird
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:44:03 Seth second game was much better, I won
with 170 vs 108 and 106 (and 98)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:44:22 Seth game 1 I finished with like $36
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:44:30 seo If I work REALLY hard, I might have
game afternoon tomorrow :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:45:08 seo I doubt I'll meet my own deadlines,
though
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:45:39 seo but just knowing I could be part of
a gaming group is nice
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:46:50 Seth You can do it!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:46:53 Seth Work work work!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:46:57 Seth Work like the wind!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:47:41 seo Coaching! Just what I needed. :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 05:49:26 seo ok, you go to sleep, I'll get to
work
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ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 06:43:17 Zzzzz yeah get to work!
06:43:39 seo hey
06:44:01 Zzzzz really?
06:44:23 seo really
06:44:50 seo Did you read the critique on the site?
06:44:57 Zzzzz ah well i dont think it matters. the game itself is explain
well enough
06:45:02 Zzzzz no... not yet
06:45:23 seo some new user
06:45:34 seo he has 3 messages posted
06:45:47 seo each one is an individual critique
06:46:04 seo one of the 3 entries he commented on was ours
06:46:15 seo and he mentioned that
06:46:33 Zzzzz yeah I just went and read
06:46:40 seo "how many applause points are the performers worth?"
06:46:52 seo but I think he liked the game
06:46:59 Zzzzz if you read the rules you should understand that there
should be values on the performer cards
06:47:01 seo since he only posted 3 critiques
06:47:13 Zzzzz remember GDS is not supposed to be a PERFECT game
06:47:42 Zzzzz one little issue like the value on the card image should
not truely matter
06:47:51 Zzzzz though i understand how it might look
06:47:52 seo anyway, I am happy with the game WE have, even if the entry
isn't perfect :-)
06:48:07 Zzzzz exactly
06:49:49 seo we will get lots of votes, anyway :-)
06:49:55 Zzzzz i have so much work to do... and last night I side tracked
myself and work on bgdf 3.0, updated to new software (oh which means you need a new
account, again).
06:50:16 Zzzzz set up roles/permissions
06:50:29 Zzzzz configured forums areas
06:50:30 seo hehe
06:51:16 seo is it easier to configure / requires less customization
than tiki-wiki?
06:51:32 Zzzzz yepp
06:51:39 seo that is good
06:51:40 Zzzzz and it had better role/permission support
06:51:49 Zzzzz so I have admins/editors and mods
06:52:28 seo so you can, for instance, let kj edit the tiles page
without having to make him a full admin?
06:52:28 Zzzzz and I can set other items like upload space based on each
role, so we can up space as desired
06:52:36 Zzzzz exactly
06:52:45 seo that is great
06:52:52 Zzzzz this will allow us to have editors that can JUST edit page
content
06:53:08 Zzzzz so we can *promote* members to editors or mods
06:53:17 Zzzzz but still have us admins as needed
06:53:29 seo I think something like that would help having people
involved in specific areas, thus bringing new content to the site
06:54:11 seo without the risk involved in making everyone an admin
06:54:17 Zzzzz yepp, we wont be able to limit an editor to a specific
page, but if we are willing to let them edit in the first place letting them edit
anything should be ok
06:54:26 Zzzzz yepp
06:55:12 seo but mods can be limited to specific pages/forums
06:55:15 seo ?
06:55:18 Zzzzz once I start moving over content the right bar should
appear
06:55:26 Zzzzz mods will be just to forums
06:55:36 seo cool
06:55:38 Zzzzz at least for now
06:56:14 Zzzzz sadly my next task is to start moving content and layout
the *Wiki* (though it is not a wiki really)
06:56:59 Zzzzz and I was thinking that I might just impose a *We are
starting OVER* change when I move it live (which will not happen for a month or
two)
06:57:21 seo can you use the same DB, or need to port the old one to a
new one with a different structure?
06:57:38 Zzzzz we would need to move items over
06:57:53 Zzzzz but honestly I dont want to go through that motion, which I
know sucks for members
06:58:14 Zzzzz porting from one system to another is never easy or fun
06:58:16 seo oh, so moving all the current content to archive, and start
afresh?
06:58:40 Zzzzz sadly... yes. i think it might piss some members off but I
am not sure what to do.
06:58:49 Zzzzz unless I work on some porting scripts.
06:59:17 Zzzzz i might attempt to figure out what might be possible but
the porting will be really rough work
06:59:32 seo maybe the forum threads that have been active lately can be
ported to the new site, and all the rest go into archive?
06:59:33 Zzzzz my biggest worry is user pages and blogs
06:59:39 seo would that be too hard?
07:00:01 seo oh, the user pages, especially
07:00:10 Zzzzz well the issue is *matching* it to the right user/person
etc.
07:00:18 seo I guess blogs should be easier, as they are more linear
07:00:37 Zzzzz and i can port some of the user info over, but not sure how
well that will work
07:00:50 Zzzzz keep in mind the hard part is mapping users across all of
the ports
07:00:57 Zzzzz right now there are 2 users in the DB
07:01:28 Zzzzz if I write a script to move users, i need to make sure the
mapping works from the current one so that importing other info *works* or matches
the right user
07:02:07 Zzzzz basically I need to screw around with my own user and see
what I can do
07:02:26 seo feel free to screw with my user too :-)
07:02:47 Zzzzz did you just register again?
07:02:50 seo I don't have a user page, but I do have blogs with pics and
comments
07:02:52 Zzzzz if so I can go make you admin
07:04:03 seo yeah, I'll be glad to help you as much as possible
07:04:23 Zzzzz i was going to go to a game day today... but like you I
have a bit too much work!
07:04:45 Zzzzz dont worry about helping, but in order for me to screw
around with attempting to import your data I need to have a seo user!
07:05:09 seo go ahead
07:05:13 Zzzzz help once you feel you have *free time*
07:05:30 seo that will probably NEVER happen! LOL
07:05:38 Zzzzz agreed
07:05:54 Zzzzz not I have to work on bgdf 3.0 because I hate that tiki
site
07:06:00 Zzzzz i tried to talk darke out of it before
07:06:06 seo but not too much work is a better measure
07:06:46 seo Tell him it Gabob or SAP, he will love Gabob immediatly
07:06:53 Zzzzz but since he is not around enough anymore I took it upon
myself to just get 3.0 almost completely framed up and ready
07:07:52 seo since th wport to SAP at work seems to have him totally out
of free time
07:08:01 Zzzzz once I move all the wiki content over... and some other
items if possible I will just email him that I am migrating over to a new system.
and he will have to live with it :P
07:08:05 Zzzzz ...
07:08:59 seo LOL
07:09:30 Zzzzz crap brb my mouse battery is dying...
07:09:43 Zzzzz and I need to work work work today on my project so I
should tell you to go work too!
07:10:09 seo yepp
07:10:31 seo lets go work!
07:36:47 seo ..
07:39:34 Zzzzz ..
07:39:53 seo just checking
07:40:09 seo one thing is to work, quite another to be missing chat! :-)
07:40:36 Zzzzz agreed
08:15:29 Zzzzz .
08:15:48 seo .
seo-afk
nickname to seo
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ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:17:54 seo Hi Fred
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:18:19 Gogolski Hi seo!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:18:39 seo is working
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:18:49 Gogolski Did you meet your deadline
allready?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:18:55 Gogolski not...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:18:59 seo wants to finish the magazine job
today so he can go games tomorrow
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:19:10 seo trying to
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:19:14 Gogolski I read as much...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:19:29 seo I think I have chances
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:19:51 seo like rolling a 5 with 2d6
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:20:21 seo maybe even a 6
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:20:40 Gogolski héhéhéhé...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:21:51 seo problem is: a friend of my wife has
her birthday party today, and I'll have to go
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:22:13 seo if I don't, Marisa won't be happy
with me going to play games tomorrow
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:23:47 Gogolski The presure...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:23:56 Gogolski pressure
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:24:07 seo yepp
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:25:36 seo fortunatelly, on weekends I don't
have clients calling all day, and I can even work all night tonight if I need and
want to, no need to be lucid tomorrow
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:51:28 seo .
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:59:24 seo just got a mail. Tomorow at 6:00pm
is game night. Now I just have to work-work-work
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:59:29 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 10:59:59 Gogolski My computer crashed and I
just came back in (after rebooting)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:00:55 seo did you lose any work?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:01:14 Gogolski Tomorrow evening, I'll too
have a game session with Bart, his girlfriend and mine.
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:01:43 Gogolski I'll check, Flash was open,
but I think I saved before the crash...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:02:00 Gogolski I didn't make much changes to
the board anyway...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:02:23 seo remeber: the beer glas is next to
you, be careful ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:02:35 seo glass*
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:03:43 Gogolski It's empty now, I put it
aside a little further...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:04:12 Gogolski We had 10 pupils over for a
barbecue today
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:04:22 Gogolski (My girlfriend is a teacher)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:04:27 seo I meant during the game
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:04:41 Gogolski Ah, ok...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:04:49 Gogolski I'll keep it in mind....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:05:01 seo but it's good to make it a habit,
anyway
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:05:42 Gogolski I wasn't that drunk, just too
enthousiastic I guess...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:05:44 seo you do BBQ in Belgium? I thought it
was an American thing
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:05:54 Gogolski (I know, that's what they all
say!)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:06:04 Gogolski Of course we do
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:06:19 Gogolski We do everything that has to
do with food and drink
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:06:36 seo Yumm!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:06:53 Gogolski Most yeasrs, I'm the first to
light up my BBQ
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:07:18 seo american style BBQ, or different?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:07:40 Gogolski March, the first day the sun
is out... (if possible) The weather in Belgium isn't too splendid all the time, so
some years I'm later....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:07:54 Gogolski What's American style BBQ?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:08:12 seo we have "parrilladas" here, which
is similar, but we have a wooden fire on the side, no mineral charcoal
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:08:52 seo Americans use coal and some fuel to
start the fire, I think
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:09:06 seo and they have flames stright below
the meat
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:09:12 Gogolski We ussually use charcoal.
It's availlable everywhere in supermarkets (and mini-markets too....)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:09:17 seo and they cover the meat with sauce
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:09:33 Gogolski We use the glowing coal, no
flames
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:09:42 seo we usually cook the meat with just
"salmuera", (water and salt)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:10:15 Gogolski We make a bunch of hot and
cold salads and put sause at the side to dip your meat (or whatever) in.
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:10:41 Gogolski I do marinades though
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:11:11 Gogolski pork in an alcohol with
mustard and rosemary is fabulous....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:11:21 Gogolski Chicken in pesto....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:11:27 Gogolski whatever
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:11:36 Gogolski inspiration of the moment
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:12:30 Gogolski bananas in cognac with
chocolate-spread in aluminum foil straight on the coals....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:12:52 seo I do pork marinated in mustard,
pepper, lemon and garlic salt :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:13:26 seo the bananas sound interesting to
try
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:14:17 seo grilled pizza is common here
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:15:42 seo they prepare a lot of charcoal
under the grill, then place the piece of dough for a short while, flop it and add
pizza sacue and cheese
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:16:40 seo anyway, I better go back to work
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:17:21 seo ttyl
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:02 Gogolski laters
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:33 Gogolski We just had a little
emergency... A cupboard came down in the kitchen...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:40 Gogolski It's a mess...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:52 seo ouch!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:52 Gogolski I'll fix that later tonight
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:20:54 Gogolski CU
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:21:00 seo go clean!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:21:05 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 11:21:36 Gogolski I'll do my best...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 12:51:07 Seth Gogolski quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:02:02 seo all tidy?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:14:40 Gogolski Reasonably
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:15:44 Gogolski I still have to fix the
cupboard itself, though... That'll be for tomorrow...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:16:07 seo heh
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:16:22 seo not in the mood for the hard work?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:16:39 Gogolski Nope...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:16:50 Gogolski How are you progressing?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:17:02 Gogolski Are you in the mood?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:17:11 seo slow, but doing progress
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:17:17 seo not in the mood at all
sej-out
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:17:42 seo the last little details and stuff
is the worst part :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:17:56 seo bye Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:18:52 Gogolski I shopuld finish that zuntzu
box...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:19:21 sej-out bye
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:19:52 seo that would be good
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:19:54 Gogolski Bey sedj!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:20:08 seo beer can't reach a ZunTzu prototype
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:22:37 Gogolski true!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:22:54 Gogolski Unless the beer is online, of
course...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:24:45 seo online beer... you could get rich
selling that!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:26:25 Gogolski
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/345723?size=original
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:26:54 Gogolski People could get cyber-drunk,
we don't want that....
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:30:58 Gogolski No more movement-limitation
in distance, just feed the creature one food and go wherever you want. Each
destination requires one food
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 14:59:56 Zzzzz ...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:00:19 Gogolski and ... to you too
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:01:33 Zzzzz sorry chat seemed to have died
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:01:50 Gogolski No pro, chat is still
alive...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:02:49 Zzzzz not mine.. it did not update when I
did ... or your message. I had to refresh my browser window
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:06:17 Gogolski Ah...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:34:43 sej-out Gogolski quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:43:38 Lykwid joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 15:45:03 Lykwid what's up?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 16:02:07 sej-out Lykwid quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 16:16:22 seo my chat died too while I was away
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 16:17:34 seo actually, it died right after my
"online beer..." line, I didn't see Fred's answer until right now when I came back
and F5ed
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 17:03:24 seo what's so funny?
seo-afk
ch_Zzzzz 21/06/2008 17:04:30 seo seo changes his/her nickname to seo-afk
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 17:10:19 Zzzzz U!
nickname to seo
ch_Zzzzz 21/06/2008 17:56:09 seo-afk seo-afk changes his/her nickname to
seo
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 17:56:26 seo Am I?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 18:06:58 seo :-)
seo-afk
ch_Zzzzz 21/06/2008 18:24:44 seo seo changes his/her nickname to seo-afk
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 19:24:25 Zzzzz maybe
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 20:28:36 clearclaw doho123 quit (timeout)
nickname to seo
ch_Zzzzz 21/06/2008 20:59:03 seo-afk seo-afk changes his/her nickname to
seo
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:12:52 Zzzzz WORK!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:17:30 seo yes :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:17:38 seo you?
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:40:43 Zzzzz working too
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:40:57 seo good boy
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:41:05 seo I'll be up all night
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:41:10 Zzzzz trying to get work due for
wednesday done by tomorrow... not looking good right now lol
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:41:11 Zzzzz me too
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:43:24 seo ok, we can not chat together ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:51:47 Zzzzz well we can if we need to motiviate
each other or one of us really needs a minor break...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:51:57 Zzzzz around 3am!
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:58:20 seo of course we can chat if we need
to! I meant we can also not-chat the rest of the time. I just forgot to type the
hyphen.
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 21:59:58 Zzzzz yeah i understood...
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:00:19 seo anyway, I'm back to work. I just
came from a birthday party that was crazy (in the worst sense, my wife friend has
weird sort of eco-friendly vegan-alcoholic hippie comune friends)
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:01:19 seo one drunk guy with half a front
tooth missing was just too eager to be my friend
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:02:27 seo not in a gay way, but in a "I'm a
friendly drunk" way, but I can tell you I'm not sure if a gay sexual harassment
wouldn't have been more bearable
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:02:59 seo I never wanted so hard to come back
home to work! LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:06:36 Zzzzz LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:06:37 Zzzzz
ch_SpielTalk! 21/06/2008 22:41:11 clearclaw seo quit (timeout)
22:41:11 clearclaw seo quit (timeout)
Zzzzz-gaveup
01:41:57 Zzzzz Zzzzz changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-gaveup
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 03:39:41 seo Damned blackout! Not me, there was
a power failure and I had to go to bed
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:20:20 sej-out ...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:26:20 sej-out Hi
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:26:26 sej-out sej-out changes his/her
nickname to sej-tired
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:26:35 sej-tired I played Brass again, lost to
a 1st time player
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:26:44 sej-tired he did a really good job of
grasping the game
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:26:55 sej-tired 8 points...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:27:14 sej-tired then 2x Container - some
really funny stuff went down
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:27:50 seo I'm afraid the delay caused by the
power failure will leave me without Sunday game night :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:30:33 sej-tired boo
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:33:58 seo next week, I guess
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 04:45:20 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 07:39:08 clearclaw Seo:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/2415760#2415760 Graphic artist thoughts?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 07:55:12 seo hmmm... give me a sec
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:10:12 seo http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/3943/JC
%20t-shirt.jpg
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:11:12 seo damn! I always type l[b]oo[/b]sers
instead of l[b]o[/b]sers
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:11:29 seo anyway, you get the idea. If you
like it I can fix the typo
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:12:15 seo I prefer the right one, but I read
you had the "smile" idea
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:12:34 clearclaw Neat.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:12:37 seo the strong edge gives it a poker
chip sort of look
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:13:19 clearclaw Both work. I had the idea of
making it look a bit like a smug smilie face.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:13:25 seo maybe "and the rest of you" could
be set in a smaller type size
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:13:56 clearclaw I'd done as fat as putting
outward-open parens at the ends of the "Winner" as faux cheek dimples.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:14:21 clearclaw s/done/gone/ s/fat/far/
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:22:42 seo if you want to place emphasys on
the smilie aspect, maybe the text in white inside a black smile could work
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:22:57 seo give me till tomorrow and I'll draw
what I have in mind
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:23:19 seo not much work, but I'm trying to
finish some work right now :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:23:40 clearclaw grins.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:24:01 clearclaw It struck me as the sort of
thing you might find fun to play with. T-shirts are a different medium.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:25:06 seo in the meantime...
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/3943/JC%20t-shirt%202.jpg
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:25:45 clearclaw Ha! Funny.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:25:56 clearclaw Would you mind if I posted
those?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:25:59 seo maybe even
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/3943/JC%20t-shirt%202a.jpg
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:26:09 seo be my guest
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:26:35 seo the color helps, I think
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:30:32 clearclaw Agreed.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:32:09 seo I think it would be nice to use
custom lettering, so the O and E can look like big black smilie eyes, maybe even
the e could be a wink
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:33:07 seo and the n could be more almost like
a parenthesis on its side, to look like a nose
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:33:21 seo and the winner written in white
insde a smile
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:33:48 seo that way the first impression from
the distance would be a winking smilie
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 08:39:41 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:28:28 Zzzzz-gaveup ..
ch_seo 22/06/2008 09:29:11 Zzzzz-gaveup joins seo
ch_seo 22/06/2008 09:29:57 Zzzzz-gaveup Zzzzz-gaveup quit
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:50:11 Zzzzz-gaveup hey
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:51:35 Zzzzz-gaveup so nature won last
night?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:52:03 seo apparently
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:52:39 seo I guess it played the "strong wind
makes a power line tower collapse" card :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:54:09 seo and there wasn't much I could do
with the computer turned off
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 09:57:00 seo so I slept a few hours (4) and now
I'm not going to have my game night. Next Sunday, I guess.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 10:12:49 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 10:46:23 Zzzzz-gaveup ah... i figured
something odd happened
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 12:30:47 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:08:07 Zzzzz-gaveup ...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:21:17 seo ...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:33:32 sej-tired sej-tired changes his/her
nickname to Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:53:53 Zzzzz-gaveup .
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:54:54 seo Hi Seth
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:54:59 seo . Dave
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:55:13 Seth I found a good deal...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:55:36 Seth see, Michael's was being annoying
because they've been out of stock with Adhesive cartriges forever
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:55:43 Seth so look what I found online
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:55:57 Seth https://us-dc2-
order.store.yahoo.net/cgi-bin/wg-order?
ysco_key_event_id=&ysco_key_store_id=stickermaker&sectionId=ysco.cart&yscoc=_0qi8Es
mAUc_qGhBjA1Xr7GBcs1Q44WZVZhrMx2WBm5RNG0hD7MpV_LAx8MXVmdTWQF3pnx3jqNhFjTw4LLIFiM7Rw
qrKgx0h0LgbOkz_nTrL9KYaZnpgz5NGMMvcab_bf2EK3DQgsGCVQ--
&yscos=yyFQtggmAUfk4pqUSy76hk6zzjkalQqMU8br8TcVVbIriZ7P2MNgL9juuXjKZwwq8KDO2XLkNMh2
mgTFaqE18MIXuz6FDeBf6bMBkvY8oMsvWg6B_SEfYPz
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 14:57:11 seo cool :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:07:31 Seth I just ordered 2 carts of Adhesive
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:07:38 Seth at Michael's it's $32
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:07:49 Seth Online they're $20.50 ea
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:08:08 Seth and I got 1 cart that's laminate on
one side and adhesive on the other
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:08:33 Seth I thought that sounded neat, for
fancy player boards or tiles or something
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:10:06 seo sounds nice
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:16:57 Zzzzz-gaveup :(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:17:06 Zzzzz-gaveup i missed what you bought
because you cart is empty
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:19:25 seo adhesive for the Xyron
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:21:15 Zzzzz-gaveup ah
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:21:39 seo did you gave up, or you're working?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:24:57 Zzzzz-gaveup oh... yeah
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:12 Zzzzz-gaveup Zzzzz-gaveup changes
his/her nickname to Zzzzz-backatit
15:25:12 Zzzzz-gaveup Zzzzz-gaveup changes his/her nickname to Zzzzz-
backatit
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:19 Zzzzz-backatit Zzzzz-backatit changes
his/her nickname to Zzzzz-backworking
15:25:19 Zzzzz-backatit Zzzzz-backatit changes his/her nickname to
Zzzzz-backworking
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:27 seo ahhh
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:37 Zzzzz-backworking off and on today
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:50 seo lucky you!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:25:54 Zzzzz-backworking i was up until 4ish
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:26:01 seo or not, you'll have to pay later :-
(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:26:12 Zzzzz-backworking well I have had to do
some other things and baby duty... etc
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:26:30 Zzzzz-backworking i will be up late again
tonight
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:26:37 seo I was up until 1:44 (when the
lights went out)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:26:58 seo Then back up by 5:50
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:27:10 Zzzzz-backworking that sort of sucks...
but maybe someone was telling you something
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:30:58 Zzzzz-backworking back later time for
dinner break... and in laws!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:31:02 Zzzzz-backworking well in law!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:32:10 seo my in-laws are currently closer to
you than to me, geographically :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:33:11 seo but I don't expect them to go to
your place for dinner
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 15:33:18 seo ttyl
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 16:17:02 seo Seth, are you around?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 16:18:28 seo My wife had to translate a website
into English, and I guess a quick read from you would be great help to spot any
weird sounding sentences, if you want to help
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 16:19:29 seo if you don't, just pretend you were
playing freesbee or eating a burrito or something ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 16:24:08 seo it's not too long, about 600 words
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 16:25:06 seo
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/3943/CASAS_EN_PUNTA_DEL_ESTE%28INGLES%29.doc
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 18:59:49 Seth I was watching bad movies and
painting my COntainer pieces
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:05:26 Seth I'm reading it now, I'll, save the
comments and send it back
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:06:08 seo Great, thanks!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:07:08 Seth Dormitorios (uno en suite) <-
what's that supposed to mean?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:07:14 Seth 1 master bedroom?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:07:53 seo bedrooms, one with private toilet
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:08:16 Seth oh... hmm
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:08:47 Seth one with bath
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:08:54 Seth or one with private bath
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:08:56 Seth I think
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:08:59 seo yes
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:09:36 Seth CASA VISTA INFINITA <- not
familiar with "infinite view house"
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:09:51 Seth I've heard of 360 degree views
(meaning views in all directions)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:11:09 seo I think it's the house name
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:11:19 seo beach houses here usually have a
name
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:11:37 seo it probably has a nice sea view
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:11:53 Seth ah
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:12:32 seo confirmed, it's the house name
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:13:04 Seth when do you need this by?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:13:18 seo tomorrow is fine
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:14:16 Seth almost done
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:15:00 seo
http://redtotal.net/frigerio/prueba/ (second on the left is vista infinita)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:16:29 Seth Surroundings plenty of pines
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:16:37 Seth surrounded by pines?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:16:44 Seth Entorno rodeado de pinos
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:19:12 Zzzzz-backworking ..
ch_seo 22/06/2008 19:19:34 Zzzzz-backworking joins seo
ch_seo 22/06/2008 19:19:44 Zzzzz-backworking Zzzzz-backworking quit
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:22:15 Seth interbalnearia <- ???
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:22:22 seo Dave, I'm sad to inform you that
your chat died
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:22:33 seo the name of the highway
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:23:03 seo the one connecting the beach
resorts east of Montevideo
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:26:20 Seth I'll email you the file.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:26:24 Seth then I'm off to frisbee!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:27:16 seo your good deed will bring you
victory in freesbee :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:27:31 seo Thanks a lot!
http://dl.getdropbox.com/get/CASAS_2.doc
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:28:30 Seth can you see that?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:28:44 Seth or do I need to put it in a
different (shared) folder or something?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:28:45 seo nope
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:28:56 seo place it in your Public folder
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:29:13 seo then ricgh click, copy public link
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:29:20 seo or place it in the beer folder
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:29:23 seo beer1
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:29:38 Seth how do you move a file?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:29:44 seo drag?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:30:23 seo those are local folders in your PC,
just watched by Dropbox
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:30:37 seo when you change them, DB uploads
what's needed
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:30:39 seo I got it
http://dl.getdropbox.com/get/beer1/CASAS_2.doc
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:30:59 Seth you got it?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:31:03 Seth I didn't do anything...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:31:09 seo look
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:31:18 Seth Oh, you saw it appear when I
uploaded the 2nd time
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:31:19 Seth I see
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:33:52 Seth later
sej-afk\
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:04 seo bye, have fun
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:05 sej-afk\ oh, Red is stuff I changed
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:15 sej-afk\ strikethrough means the word
should be deleted./\
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:15 sej-afk\
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:23 sej-afk\ notes or awkward stuff is in
blue I htinik
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:30 sej-afk\ hopefully it'll be helpful!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:34:44 seo it will
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:41:52 Zzzzz-backworking ugh work work work...
how does it for you?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:56:06 clearclaw What is Seo's actual name
again?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:57:18 Zzzzz-backworking Seth :P
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:57:19 Zzzzz-backworking just kidding
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:57:22 Zzzzz-backworking Ariel
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:57:45 clearclaw Ariel what?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 19:59:59 Zzzzz-backworking Well... i would have to
default to Ariel actually saying it. Mainly because of it being his preference to
share.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:04:38 seo Ariel Seoane
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:07:43 seo Work is slowly approaching the end,
but I'm not there yet
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:08:03 Zzzzz-backworking same... though I think I
forgot something which means more work tomorrow night :(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:08:19 seo as usual, my estimation fell short
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:08:32 seo I'll probably stay all night
working tonight
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:08:54 seo or until very late, at least
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:09:07 Zzzzz-backworking mine is *ok*, i just
forgot a task! Luckily I was trying to *get ahead*. Nothing is due until Wednesday
morning
http://kanga.nu/~claw/blog/2008/06/22/game-tangent/1-winner-and-the-rest-of-
you-losers/
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:09:21 Zzzzz-backworking or until you have
another blackout :P
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:09:49 seo please, no!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:09:55 seo not another blackout!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:10:49 clearclaw Thanks Ariel.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:11:16 seo Thank you! I'm going to be famous
now! :-P
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:11:28 Zzzzz-backworking whoa that is a almost
*scary* smiley concept of a chip. Almost.... umm what is that movie
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:11:53 Zzzzz-backworking I pictured that one
director... ummm Burton?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:05 seo yes,
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:07 seo Jack
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:14 Zzzzz-backworking does those *odd*
movies...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:16 seo the one that stole Christmas
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:22 seo or something like that
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:30 seo Tim Burton
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:35 Zzzzz-backworking I can SEE the smiley
looking like one of his characters
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:39 Zzzzz-backworking Tim!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:42 Zzzzz-backworking yeah
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:12:53 seo I like his movies a lot, except
Sweney Todd
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:13:31 Zzzzz-backworking for some reason the
yellow version just screams that *feel* to me
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:13:31 Zzzzz-backworking odd
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:13:34 seo I'm not fond of musicals, but I can
tolerate them if the songs at least rhyme!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:13:38 Zzzzz-backworking must be tired...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:14:23 seo I have a better (less scary) idea,
but it will have to wait until I'm over with this devilish magazine
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:14:51 Zzzzz-backworking lol
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:14:55 clearclaw I'll happily post and
popularise it when you're ready Seo.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:15:45 seo sweet
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:16:35 clearclaw Seo: Matthew had already
posted a shirt with his last design.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:16:50 clearclaw Would it be Okay to sell
shirts with your images as well?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:20:32 seo yeah, I have no problem
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:20:56 seo But I think the design I have in
mind will be much better than my sketches from today
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:24:03 clearclaw Seo: I look forward to it
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:26:26 seo you're quick!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:28:20 clearclaw blushes.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:35:14 seo now I HAVE to produce a much better
design, or face public BGG humilliation! LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 20:50:12 clearclaw Zzzzz-backworking quit
(timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 21:04:18 sej-afk\ where does that phrase come
from?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 21:31:21 clearclaw doho123 quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 21:37:01 seo ..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 21:38:36 seo which phrase?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 21:38:52 seo my last one?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:15:09 Zzzzz .
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:15:18 seo Hey
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:16:53 Zzzzz hey
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:17:06 Zzzzz my browser crashed and I never
reopened chat?!?!?!?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:19:53 seo then converting all photos to CMYK,
producing prepress-ready PDFs, etc.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:19:53 seo I have 2 pages of small adds
(mostly repeats from previous editions) and that's it as far as design goes
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:20:58 seo my chat just half-died :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:21:03 Zzzzz how much time for that
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:21:04 Zzzzz ?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:21:22 seo those last two lines: they showed
up but I couldn't see them
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:21:44 seo the ads pages a couple hours, max,
I hope
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:22:07 seo the color conversion and PDFs about
a full long two shifts day
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:22:10 seo maybe more
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:23:45 seo just got a message from Rob Bartel,
he also has a tennis card game!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:23:48 Zzzzz hmmm
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:24:10 Zzzzz interesting... really another
tennis game? is there really room for 2?? :P
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:24:20 seo apparently!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:24:42 seo especially as long as none is
published yet
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:24:56 Zzzzz true
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:25:08 seo I'll get in touch with him to se
how his works
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:25:18 seo just 9 cards he said
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:25:42 Zzzzz i cant wait to be done with my
current project... i hate the site and the entire set of code I started from. but I
was only asked to fix defects and *add* features... this CODE SUCKS!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:25:52 Zzzzz just nine?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:26:04 Zzzzz hardly seems like a card game if
you only have 9 cards
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:26:29 seo yeah, I'm curious about that
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:26:57 Zzzzz yeah seems very strange
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:16 seo we're both trapped in our jobs :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:24 Zzzzz yepp
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:36 Zzzzz but at least we can sort of keep
each other company
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:43 seo winning the GDS will be a nice
event
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:51 Zzzzz sadly I HAVE to go to bed tonight
since I have to do the work work job tomrrow
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:27:56 Zzzzz yeah..
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:28:03 Zzzzz i have to read and vote on them
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:28:09 Zzzzz i read like 2 but I just do not
have time
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:28:09 seo yeah, nothing like suffering in the
company of a good friend LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:28:16 Zzzzz maybe a lunch time event for me
tomorrow
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:28:57 seo I have them all copied into a Word
doc, I will print it tomorrow so I can read one entry at a time while I go to the
toilet
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:29:31 seo ok, I better go to bed now
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:29:52 Zzzzz ok... good night
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:29:57 seo I've been working for 19 hours
today. :-(
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:00 Zzzzz i will be off to sleep in an hour
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:04 seo ttyt
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:04 Zzzzz eek
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:05 Zzzzz !!
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:07 Zzzzz later
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 22:30:09 seo seo quit
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:31:59 sej-afk\ .
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:32:06 sej-afk\ sej-afk\ changes his/her
nickname to sej
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:32:17 sej Wha's up JC?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:35:30 sej Where does the phrase "1 winner and
the rest of you losers" come from?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:37:19 clearclaw It comes from me
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:39:15 sej I see... and how did it come to be?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:39:45 clearclaw My fertile imagination?
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:40:01 clearclaw It comes from the old saw of
what player play for when victory is no longer possible.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:40:03 sej ah
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:40:10 clearclaw s/player/players/
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:40:41 clearclaw For many there is one winner
and a set of losers, thus ranking, %age etc simple doesn't matter. It is merely
binary.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:40:46 sej So I played a wacky game of
Container last night
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:41:02 clearclaw Several I play take hold that
view rather strictly.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:41:40 sej The phrase sounds like it could be
sorta smack-talkish... implying that the speaker is the winner (or will be,
presumably you'd say this at the beginning of the game) and everyone else will be
the losers
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:42:04 sej "After 6 rounds there will be 1
winner, and the rest of you losers"
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:42:15 clearclaw That's the intent. The
short-wearer is the winner and the readers are de facto losers. The intent is to
be insulting.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:42:24 clearclaw s/short/shirt/
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:42:43 sej anyway, so 3p Container. One player
did something kinda dumb, trying something but clearly it didn't work out
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:43:03 clearclaw I'm mostly convinced that 3P
Container is non-viable.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:43:06 sej he ended up locked down under 2
loans
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:43:21 sej the other player had decide early
to price his harbor store at $4
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:43:41 sej Since Ryan couldn't afford to buy
it, I was the only customer.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:44:46 sej I almost paid for a load of
probably 2 goods at $4 apiece, but it seemed clear I wouldn't be making enough
money so I thought I'd encourage Doug to lower his prices by simply not buying from
him
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:46:27 clearclaw That's the problem with 3P:
insufficient slop in the system. The players have to spend too much time rescueing
the economy from its own phase-based fragility.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:46:41 sej Doug did something ill advised,
which was take a loan to buy an additional 2 containers from Ryan's harbor when he
already had 2 on his boat...
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:47:07 sej And then he realised he wouldn't
make much money off of thet.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:47:36 clearclaw With more players that
constriction is diluted among the players as well as time-shited based on their
personal phasing. The result is elasticity in the base economy.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:47:40 sej So he didn't go to the island with
it, hoping to find a way to give Ryan money first or something
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:47:42 clearclaw Not if you weren't bidding
deliberately high.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:47:53 clearclaw s/shited/shifted/
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:48:24 sej So I was able to first take 2
containers I'd already bought from Ryan's harbor to the island, and buy them myself
for pennies, and when Doug pulled in I got his 4 containers for $5
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:48:52 clearclaw The problem with that is that
the economy then dies.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:49:45 sej though that let him pay off his
loan, I considered offering a lot less, then he'd be stuck under the loan and
unable to make money, I could have waited until both opponents had to discard all
their containers, warehouses, and factories
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:49:54 clearclaw The only effective exit the
other players have is to quick-ship single containers bidding all they can afford
every time on each other's loads and ignoring you unless you outbid them, until
they're solvent again.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:50:17 sej Then maybe start giving them money
since I'd be in such a better opsition (or just keep passing until we decide to
call the game over)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:51:15 sej The problem with the game is that
(a) it's frail (which isn't so terrible), but also (b) that it doesnn't have a
game end trigger that goes off if the "economy breaks"
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:51:50 sej there needs to be a failsafe,
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:52:26 sej not sure what
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:52:27 clearclaw I don't have a problem with
the lack of failsafe. Its lack instills a simple: DON'T DO THAT lesson.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:52:51 clearclaw Specifically the lack of a
failsafe prevents the players deliberately playing for that exit.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:53:27 sej but if you think about game rules
as if they were a computer program, then without the failsafe, if THAT happens
(even if it shouldn't), then there's an infinite loop and the prog doesn't end
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:53:52 clearclaw Conversely in the 18XX some
players will deliberately play to bacnkrupt another specific player, either
directly by their action, or by persuading them that they have absolutely no
viability, and then position themselves for the bankruptcy victory.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:54:31 clearclaw The closest I could go would
be a rule that IN THIS CASE THE GAME IS ENDED WITHOUT A VICTOR
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:54:48 clearclaw But by mention that validates
the approach.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:55:05 clearclaw I prefer the DON'T DO THAT
lesson.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:55:29 sej In my opinion, the game rules
should not allow for a situation that doesn't end
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:55:44 sej it can still be a DON'T DO THAT
lesson
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:57:50 clearclaw WHile I understand, I'mm less
convinced.
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:07 sej In other news, I played Brass yet
again, teaching another newbie. Ted was new, Ryan's played 4 or 5 times now, and
Doug'splayed 3 times I think
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:10 sej I've played lik12
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:15 sej Ted won
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:34 sej we maybe helped him a little here
and there, he beat me by 8 points (pretty close)
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:50 sej he built 3 Shipyards and overwrote
my Ironworks
ch_SpielTalk! 22/06/2008 23:59:53 sej :(
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:00 clearclaw I've noticed that Brass
scores are getting lower and lower as the local groups become more experienced.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:17 sej I think if a player is uncontested
at Shipyards, then they have it pretty good
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:26 sej really
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:31 sej ?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:32 sej Wonder why that is
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:37 sej I like it more and more
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:43 sej there are plateaus...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:00:58 sej 1st plateau: understanding the
rules, what you can and can't do.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:01:13 sej 2nd plateau: Understandoing the
game: what you [i]want[/i] to do
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:01:44 sej
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:01:45 sej 3rd plateau: understanding the
strategies: How do you do what you want to do [i]better[/i]
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:02:16 sej 4th plateau: Understanding the
tactics: How do you do what you want to do, AND screw up your opponents' plans
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:02:33 sej I think I'm approaching that 4th
plateau
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:03:49 sej painted all my brown Container
stuff green today
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:09:23 sej fixing the cards now
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:09:28 sej Oh, good this worked...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:09:53 sej I scraped off the laminate over the
brown square on the card and scraped off the brown... then colored it with a
sharpie
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:11:24 clearclaw You are more industrious than
I would be, but then I don't have that much problem with the colours.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:11:45 Zzzzz how are you altering the island
color?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:11:53 sej I didn't have a problem, but my
Brown facttories looked like trach
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:11:57 sej *trash
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:08 clearclaw Why?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:17 sej bad production
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:32 Zzzzz so you turned them green?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:33 sej and several ere indistinguishable
from some of the oranges
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:34 clearclaw That doesn't say why they
look like trash.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:12:52 clearclaw Ahh, I've a few brown
containers that are very close to some orange containers.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:00 sej oh, they were painted really badly
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:03 sej ugly
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:03 Zzzzz why not just repaint the ones you
want to a *good* brown?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:06 sej inconsistant
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:12 sej looked like the oranges
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:12 Zzzzz so you dont have to change
everything else?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:30 sej Dave: there's Brown, Tan, and
Orange, and they all look similar
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:40 sej so I picked a color that's very
different
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:41 Zzzzz i know... I have played
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:46 clearclaw Zzzzz has played
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:50 clearclaw loses
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:13:51 sej also I'm not sure I had brown paint
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:14:25 Zzzzz well as long as it works for you...
that is all that matters
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:14:25 sej This was the first timeplaying with
the copy I traded for - 1st printing I think(the bad ones)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:14:29 sej my friend's copy is pretty good
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:14:59 Zzzzz the colors still *suck* a little...
wonder who decided that needed non standard colors
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:15:11 Zzzzz well I take that back
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:15:17 Zzzzz they might be standard somewhere
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:16:10 sej the colors are fine
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:16:38 sej the people who made them seem to
have done the Brown ones, then the orange without cleaning the brown paint out
first
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:17:28 Zzzzz yeah but the color combinations are
just *bad* imo.... the blues or whatever are so close too.... just ugly colors to
me
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:17:31 Zzzzz anyways
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:17:42 Zzzzz time for me to act like I am
sleeping
Zzzzz-sleep?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:17:56 sej I'm not going to fuck with the
boats
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:19:08 sej wants to see Wanteed
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:19:59 sej *[i]Wanted[/i]
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:23:23 sej It's too bad... with the Containers
I'd rather have painted the orange ones, but the brown factories were so bad
compared to the orange ones it was a clear choice
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:23:27 sej when you paint wood, is there like
a sealant you are supposed to use or something
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:23:29 sej ?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:23:34 Zzzzz-sleep? ..
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:23:56 sej because I'm sure that paint is
going to chip and get owned if I put those bits in the bag with the rest
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:27:09 Zzzzz-sleep? you can use some type of
Kryon(sp?) spray to seal/coat them
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:27:26 Zzzzz-sleep? Krylon
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 00:28:38 Zzzzz-sleep? one of these might work
http://www.krylon.com/products/categories/artist_clear_coatings/
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:54:29 sej just spent about an hour drawing a
schematic-type proto board for "Ticket, Please" - the airport game
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:54:44 sej I probably could have done that
better on the computer
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:54:47 sej oh well
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:55:06 sej first run has 9 airports, in a 3x3
array
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:55:23 sej the center is the "hub" - none of
the tickets originate or terminate there
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:55:56 sej and there are 2 "gates" (player
cube queues) at the Hub (and a third for later in the game, perhaps)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:56:28 sej the corners are smaller... they
have 1 Gate, and another which appears later in the game
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:56:41 sej and all tickets originate from one
of these
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:57:02 sej then the last 4 are just
destinations, and they have only 1 gate
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:58:22 sej there are "1" routes between
orthagonally adjacent locations, "2" routes between diagonally adjacent locations
as well as from 1 corner to each 'adjacent' corner, and "3" routes from each corner
to the 2 'destination' locations which aren't right next to them
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:58:38 sej corner to corner is the longest
trip, and there's no direct flight there... though there are tickets
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:59:03 sej there are 2 of each ticket at the
moment from each corner to each other location (except the hub in the center)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 01:59:45 sej I think the game will be in like 3
rounds, in round 1, the tech level is "1" and so all planes can only use the "1"
routes
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 02:00:04 sej so more stopovers, etc
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 02:00:29 sej in the 2nd phase, tech level is "2"
so "1" and "2" routes can be used
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 02:00:50 sej and finally in round 3, the tech
level is 3, so any route may be used
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 06:14:51 seo Zzzzz-sleep? quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 06:14:51 clearclaw Zzzzz-sleep? quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 06:44:02 Zzzzz seo.... how is your day going so
far?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 06:47:23 seo ok
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 06:48:05 seo what about you?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:01:25 Zzzzz so far so good
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:01:49 seo good
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:02:12 seo How about you, Scott? Starting the
week with the right foot?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:02:26 doho123 I suppose.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:02:51 doho123 Just read a web page about
the upcoming photoshop CS4 changes which I'm happy about
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:03:32 doho123 but seems to bug mac users
since the changes make the program to Windows-y
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:10:11 Zzzzz what/!?!?!?? damn Vista ppl!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:10:13 Zzzzz :P
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:10:59 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:11:04 seo I'm on XP
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:11:13 Zzzzz me too
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:11:13 seo link?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:11:13 doho123 CS4 will have the option of
having all open Photoshop documents and and pallete to "stick" to a background of
the program to drag around between montiors.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:11:44 doho123 "OH MY GOD!!! THEY ARE ADDING
A BACKGROUND SO I CAN'T ACCIDENTALLY CLICK ON STUFF IN THE BACKGROUND!!!"
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/06/21/adobe-photoshop-cs4-interface-and-
screenshots/
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:12:14 seo state of the art technology!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:12:18 Zzzzz are they also adding a menu
attached to each?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:12:41 doho123 earlier version of PS did
this, but this feature disappeared at some point, and I've missed it for quite some
time.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:13:50 Zzzzz personally I enjoy the *all in one*
app feel. Call me different but I hate searching around for a pallette or other use
window in the middle of 10 different windows etc
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:13:51 doho123 This comment sort of boggles
me:
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:13:53 doho123 "if you're clicking on the
background then you're probably going to end up clicking on other images in the
'application frame' anyway, there is no difference. I think the windows version is
the MAIN reason I left windows for mac. It's ugly, JUST like this"
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:14:46 doho123 I left the PC for the Mac
because it's just ugly, even though you can make more mistakes with it
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:15:29 Zzzzz sadly it takes all types... if not
what would people have to complain about?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:15:48 seo if the guy clicks on an image when
he tries to click on the bg. he should not be using Photoshop. He should be using a
mouse training application.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:16:01 doho123 and then there are
effectively 2 pages of comments complaining about Mac going to a basic grey
interface instead of the Aqua interface
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:16:05 Zzzzz LOL
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:16:46 doho123 I had a lot of issues on the
mac version having Photoshop and say Illustrator open with their backless
interfaces.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:16:50 seo They should use a snapshot of the
desktom instead of plain grey, that would help a lot .-P
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:17:05 seo desktop*
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:17:29 doho123 since you had all of these
similar looking panels floating around without a visual way of linking the panels
to a particular program.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:18:55 doho123 however, I can understand the
backless design if all you do is Photoshop 8 hours a day.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:19:46 doho123 just put all of your files on
your desktop, and click them when you need them
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:20:17 doho123 but it doesn't work when you
have multiple programs active, and you are throwing files back and forth between
them
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:23:41 seo Wow! I just found a picture of
liquid water on Mars at the Nasa website
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:23:59 doho123 breaking into the secret
files!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:24:07 seo
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc_big.jpg
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:24:25 doho123 funny guy!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:24:35 seo hehehehe
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:24:59 doho123 at least the link looks like
a NASA link
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:27:45 seo it is
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:28:04 seo it's under the Astronomy Picture of
the Day at NASA
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:28:20 seo I guess it was an April Fools joke
or something
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:31:11 seo yepp, just found it, it was the
2005 April Fools joke
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:35:48 Zzzzz ugh I need to buy Flash... any
ideas on how to get it *cheap*? Is there anyway to buy an older version at a
discount and than upgrade?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:36:13 doho123 nope
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:37:01 doho123 that trick may not work
anymore, either, unless you buy the "most recent" old version
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:37:18 Zzzzz not sure I can justify $700 just
for Flash
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:37:37 doho123 adobe seems to be cracking
down on how far back the upgrade discount is
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:37:38 Zzzzz At that price I should just
consider one of the packages for around $1500
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:39:24 doho123 we wound up buying a copy of
flash with our current purchase of the CS3 creative suite. but I haven't touched
it.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:39:34 doho123 I suppose I should look into
it for fun
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:40:03 seo I'm not friends with Flash
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:41:27 Zzzzz yeah so I have tgo buy Adobe
Creative Suite 3 Production Premium
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:41:31 Zzzzz for $1699
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:41:51 Zzzzz Maximize your post-production
productivity with Adobe® Creative Suite® 3 Production Premium software. Combines
Adobe After Effects® CS3 Professional, Adobe Premiere® Pro CS3, Photoshop® CS3
Extended, Flash® CS3 Professional, Illustrator® CS3, Soundbooth™ CS3, and Encore®
CS3, and also includes Adobe Dynamic Link, Bridge CS3, Device Central CS3, Adobe
OnLocation™ CS3 (Windows® only), and Ultra® CS3
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:42:38 Zzzzz sadly I dont need like half of
those...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:43:00 Zzzzz damn Adobe!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:43:27 Zzzzz like me pick my combinations....
charge $1600 but like me pick like 5 apps out of the billion they have
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:43:35 doho123 yeah, that was our problem
too
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:43:37 Zzzzz let me pick!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:43:45 Zzzzz like me pick like <-- ?? ugh
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:46:57 Zzzzz i guess it might not be bad.... i
can pay $1700 and pay for it with the project I am going to need it for lol
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:47:02 doho123 Let me be the first to tell
you that Adobe completely COMPLETELY screwed up Sound Forge when they "updated" it
to Soundbooth.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:47:36 doho123 I['m not convinced anyone
even bothered to test Soundbooth.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:49:52 doho123 it's slow, and they removed
about 15 useful features. But at leasted it's "skinned" to look like all of the
other CS3 products
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:50:01 Zzzzz well since I really dont desire to
have Sound Forge, I guess I dont care too much about it sucking! lol though it
would be nice to get something useful for all that money
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 07:56:39 seo I can get you a pirate copy for
$0,30 +S&H :-P
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:01:43 seo actually, I can send it as a gift,
if you want
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:01:50 seo but it's a Win version
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:02:20 seo even if you spend $1000 in a win
notebook, it will be cheaper
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:02:33 Dralius joins SpielTalk!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:03:20 Zzzzz i have a pc... i am forced in my
line of work to have one of everything lol
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:23:46 Zzzzz coughs...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:26:59 clearclaw Dralius quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:31:45 seo Dave, stop caughing on the other
users! It's unpolite and you make them leave
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:34:57 Zzzzz is sorry.... really!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:35:23 seo too late!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 08:36:00 seo go to the blackboard and write: "I
should not cough over my friends" 100 times
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:03:52 Zzzzz blackboard? can I just type it in
word? it will be easier to copy/paste it 100 times :P
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:08:17 seo no. And for every typo Seth has to
do one push up ;-)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:09:15 Zzzzz doh
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:09:28 Zzzzz you better start now seth
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:29:49 Zzzzz does a jig...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:30:45 seo happy, Dave?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:31:24 Zzzzz not really... i am just trying to
deviate from the usual .. ,..,,., !,., ,., for seeing if chat died
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:31:33 Zzzzz and sadly I just read that George
Carlin has died!!!!!
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:31:34 Zzzzz WTF
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:31:39 Zzzzz that sucks
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:31:49 Zzzzz i did not know he was 71
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:32:51 seo here:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/321620 ?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 09:37:26 Zzzzz yeah I saw info at digg.com, there
are over 11,000 diggs on that site for the article. i know everyone has to die, but
i loved how he approached topics, just a brillant man.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:05:27 sej crap, cht died
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:05:39 sej anything interssting happen after I
went to sleep?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:05:41 doho123 poor Chet
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:06:18 sej R.I.P. ct
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:06:19 sej jdshfbvi
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:06:23 sej I meant CHAT
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:06:38 sej Anyway, good morning all, I better
go to work now
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:06:43 sej see you when I get there!
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/32488 Heh. Memetic replication.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 10:10:46 Zzzzz sej quit (timeout)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:15:34 clearclaw Interesting. John is
suggesting that I handle all non-Essen Winsome fulfillment. I'd thought this would
happen, just not so quickly.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/321592 More WoN loans complaint.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:21:30 Zzzzz so what happens if you do not allow
loans at all? does the game just grind to a halt?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:24:05 clearclaw It will develop more slowly
and single-dollar-sensitive cliffs will be brutally painful. The difference
between having a flag now or next turn can be huge.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:24:41 clearclaw None of which is necessarily
a problem. Tablestar's intent (I've spoken to them) was to add a lubricating
liquidity to the game.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:25:48 clearclaw Which is reasonable, but
their address was not fully thought-through.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:26:12 clearclaw afk for a bit
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:27:00 Zzzzz ok just checking... I was wondering
if no loans would just make sense
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:27:13 Zzzzz and since i have not played it I
can only ask silly questions
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:29:05 Seth <clearclaw> ... Memetic
replication. <- what did you mean there?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:37:46 Seth JC: What did you think of Tygo's
commenta bout Banks? "after a couple plays we were convinced that banks were
"broken" as well and building banks would win you the game. Not true at all. They
are so expensive to build and so expensive to support & run, unless you build them
really early and the other players are dumb enough to let the game go on and on and
on, they're not all that fabulous."
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:38:04 Seth reminds me of the Shipyard comments
in other threads about Brass
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:44:29 Seth seo: Did you reply to Rob Bartel? I
was exchanging PMs with him and he mentioned a Tennis card game, so I asked if he'd
seen yours. I guess that's why he emailed you
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:44:43 Seth He told me a little about his - 9
cards, etc
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:44:55 Seth I think I like the sound of LMN
better
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:45:20 Seth sounds like in his game youplay MAX
8 cards and it's over
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:45:50 Seth oops, I mean 4 cards
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:46:20 Seth playing 1 means using 1 of your
4x2=8 possible plays, as well as discarding one (the one on the back of the card
you played)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:46:37 Seth and eventually you'll either run
out of cards, or won't have the right one
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:47:10 Seth It might be quick, but there
probably isn't any feeling of being in control of the volley, etc
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:47:26 Seth I think you'd be trying to note
what the opponent does not havbe left, and hit it there.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:47:40 Seth which may work, but I mush prefer
LMN's approach
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:47:49 Seth with the Preparation card
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:47:56 Seth and the special shots
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:53:56 seo :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:54:11 seo Yeah, I he wrote and I wrote back
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:55:04 seo as I told him, I think LMN is more
focused on the game tactics, and his sounds like it's more faithfull to the quick
reaction required to play tennis
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:55:36 seo fortunately, I like LMN approach
better too
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:58:08 Seth I don't htink his ould be 'quick'
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:58:27 Seth it would be fewer turns, but the
game play I think would be slow "which card does he have left?"
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:58:42 Seth and it's probably solvable because
you know the opponent's whole hand
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 11:59:58 seo I think it should be quicker from
his comment about it having less court areas and just one type of shot
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:00:30 seo but I guess you need your chess-
clock approach to be sure you don't have a slow player
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:01:43 Seth the chess clock fixes all problems!
:)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:01:52 Seth Could be used with LMN as well
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:02:49 clearclaw Banks are iffy. They are
cheap to run (one blue three yellows) and produce $90. However they are very
expensive to build. Very iffy if they will run long enough to pay off.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:13:37 seo we have a 3 minutes limit at home
when we play rummykub :-)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:19:58 Seth I have fond memmories of playing
Rummykub (I'm certain it was spelled differently) when I was a kid
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:20:04 Seth with my parents
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:20:58 Seth wow, the BGDF message system always
fools me
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:21:16 Seth I send a PM, then it's still there,
I always wonder if I haven't sent it yet or something
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:22:17 Seth seo: Did you see my chatter about
the prototyping I did last night (I said it right before I went to bed so like 1am
my time)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:22:18 Seth ?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:23:30 seo nope, I turned my comp. off last
night
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:24:08 seo what did you say?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:28:43 Seth I spent like an hour drawing a
board for Ticket Please (the airport game thing)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:29:02 Seth I guess I'll write a blog post then
link you, rather than type it all over and over.
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:29:11 Seth damn, now I wish I could c&p
that...
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:29:16 doho123 type it again
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:29:16 Seth hmm
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:29:32 Seth JC: Do you happen to have that in
your buffer?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:30:11 Seth short version, I drew a board, got
some cubes together (10 ea 5 colors)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:30:12 Seth and I made cards the other day
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:30:21 Seth (earlier I described the board)
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:30:44 Seth all I need to do is decide how I
wanted to do income/vps, and which mechanics to try
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:31:00 Seth looks at the last blog post to see
what I'd been thinking
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:32:11 seo I can cut&paste for you
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:33:40 Seth So Scott, have you gotten any
milage out of that "notify of content' checkbox for PocketCiv?
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:34:54 doho123 a couple of times
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:35:06 doho123 PocketCiv has fallen back
into the shadows again, it seems
ch_SpielTalk! 23/06/2008 12:35:15 doho123 it's interesting to watch it
ebb and flow

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