What are the pro of extrajudicial killings?

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Daniel Wong
Written Oct 3
Thanks for the A2A but I will not stick to pro’s. In fact, the only place you can say there is a “pro” at
all is that short term wise, “hopefully it will actually discourage people from drugs”. But even this
seems not likely,

Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte to extend drug war as 'cannot kill them all'

No doubt some drug dealers will get their just punishment but even here, how do we know that only
drug dealers get “punished”?

Harrowing images show hundreds of Filipino 'drug dealers' shot dead

“The wife of the victim said he was not a drug peddler and that he was nothing more than a pedicab
driver plying his trade when he was shot in front of her”

Then there is the consideration that some drug dealers are dealing in order to provide for their own
habit. It is of course not lawful or even right to do so, but is it deserving of the ultimate penalty?” Or
even perhaps a child born into a poor family who knows of no other means to make a living? I will
stop here on why I think the EJK’s are wrong and stick to what I see will be the outcome.

The first outcome I see is that Filipino laws are cheapened. Article III of the Constitution of the
Republic of the Philippines, the Bill of Rights says in the first section

“No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor shall any
person be denied the equal protection of the laws.”

This no longer applies and if the Constitution, regarded to be the highest law in the land, is no longer
applicable, that means the rest of the laws are equally if not more up for grabs.

“Drug dealing” is a bad thing. But it is a bad thing because it causes people to do bad things. If Drug
dealing caused everybody to win the national lottery, then it would be a good thing. Other things can
also cause “bad things” e.g. murder directly kills the person, no need for drugs. Kidnapping is
considered by many to be worse than murder. Terrorism is also considered another such crime. If
there is a line between “drug dealing” and terrorism, kidnapping and murder, then it is there only
because people want it to be there. It is only a matter of time when EJK will be applied to these
crimes too.

Philippines: President Duterte warns terrorists he can be 'more brutal than Isis'

Am I exaggerating? No. During 9/11, I was in contact through social media with many people
including Muslims. When the planes slammed into the Towers, I did not observe any of them
cheering like Donald Trump did. What I did observe is that some of them perceived it to be just
retribution. They did not welcome repeat actions, but these Muslims did not appear to be shocked or
saddened by the incidents. I told them that once this particular genie has been let out of the bag, it
will not be confined to acts of retribution on foreigners. They scoffed at my prediction. Today, 16
years after that dreadful night,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mus...

This is called “Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind”. 9/11 told the world that enemies could be dealt
with in this manner. Similarly for EJK. President Duterte has basically said that it is permissible to
kill people without a trial. Note that the reason why Section 1 Article III of the Bill of Rights is needed
so that in the darkest of situations, one can still count on the rule of law. No more for the Filipino
people.

Will there be a long term fix to the drug problem? I would like to say yes but when you kill drug
dealers, you are only dealing with the supply side of the equation and experience in many countries,
including the USA, have shown that even if you arrest the top king pin,

After El Chapo: The World's 10 Most Wanted Drug Lords | VICE News

there will always be people to take their place. The reason is because the drug trade is so lucrative
that even people from developed countries like the US and countries of Europe, find it too hard to
turn down. What about people from developing countries like the Philippines? If the penalty of death
were a deterrent, then there would be no drug dealers in countries like Indonesia, Malaysia,
Singapore etc.. But truth of the matter is that the money is too good to turn down and besides people
always think that the worse will never happen to them.
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Isaac Blouin, Probably hasn't killed anybody extrajudicially...

Written Oct 3
They allow the government to maintain power more easily. That’s why you’ll be hard pressed to find
a government that did not engage in extrajudicial killings at some point; they’re just too convenient
to resist. Avoiding the complicated, drawn-out mess that is due process is actually quite nice, so long
as you don’t mind the occasional execution of an innocent person. The needs of the many, am I right?

In case this answer becomes popular enough to attract those who might be concerned by my blithe
dismissal of state-sanctioned homicide, I’ll close by invoking Poe’s Law. See ya!
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Lloyd Nicholas, Do credentials impress you?

Written Oct 3
Killing is directly good news for the funeral businesses. A funeral parlor in Manila revealed that they
have twice the amount of deaths to process.

A second positive effect it will have on the weapon industry (of the US, China, Russia?).

Third, the hit-men and women can spend more and that is good for the Malls and the foreign cars.

Fourth: other Asian countries will have an economic boost: the investments and jobs planned for The
Philippines will go to those countries.

Fifth: Duterte will feel good. He likes death.

What is the definition of an extra judicial killing?
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Ted Wrigley, Listen to everyone, but decide for yourself.

Written Oct 18
Extra judicial killing are killing performed by people under the auspices of the government, usually
for political reasons (such as disposing of dissidents or establishing social control through state
terrorism), but without the normal, established judicial processes of capital punishment.

In other words, whenever a person is effectively tried, convicted and executed outside of a court of
law, it is an extra-judicial killing. This applies to South American death squads, KKK lynch mobs,
shootings by private citizens in ‘Castle Defense’ states, shootings of unarmed black men by US police,
and any other case where a single individual or group determines that another person is guilty of a
crime and carries out what amounts to capital punishment on his own initiative.

Human Rights Watch commends the work of the Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial,
summary or arbitrary executions.

In addition to persistent politically motivated killings, Human Rights Watch remains

concerned by killings carried out with the knowledge or direct participation and
support of local authorities against so-called “undesirables” in the Philippines. Human
Rights Watch documented many of these killings in recent years, particularly on the
southern island of Mindanao. 

In our May 2014 report “One Shot to the Head: Death Squad Killings in Tagum City,
Philippines” we detailed the involvement of local government officials and police
officers witha “death squad” responsible for the extrajudicial killings of alleged drug
dealers, petty criminals, street children, and others over the past decade. This death
squad also committed guns-for-hire operations, targeting a journalist, a judge, and a
tribal leader as well as local politicians and businessmen. Particularly disturbing is the
failure of the Philippine government to seriously investigate the death squad and bring
those responsible to justice.
Madame President, our findings of hundreds of extrajudicial killings in Tagum City
reflects broader problems of law enforcement and a dysfunctional criminal justice
system in the Philippines. The Tagum Death Squad, for instance, is an offshoot of
similar death squad activity in nearby Davao City. Past Human Rights Watch research
indicate the spread of these abusive “anti-crime” campaigns to several other cities in
the country.

Extrajudicial executions, including politically motivated killings, by state security

forces have been a longstanding problem in the Philippines. Although the number of
killings has decreased dramatically in recent years compared to a decade ago, they
continue largely with impunity. There has been an uptick the past year in attacks on
journalists and environmental activists. Leftist activists, politicians and labor
organizers also remain at risk.

We welcome in this regard the Congressional resolution N°. 1222 adopted directs the
Congressional Committee on Human Rights to conduct an immediate investigation
into extrajudicial killings perpetrated by the Tagum Death Squad. This resolution is a
much-needed signal that the country’s culture of impunity for extrajudicial killings
needs to come to an end. We urge the Government of the Philippines to take all
necessary steps to bring an end to extrajudicial killings and ensure that respect for
international human rights and humanitarian law prevails in the Philippines, and
encourage the Special Rapporteur to give particular attention to these cases.

Extra Judicial Punishments And Killings

Extra Judicial Killing is the killing of a person by governmental authorities without the
sanction of any judicial proceeding or any legal process [1] . Extrajudicial Punishments are
unlawful by nature, because they break the process of legal jurisdiction in which they occur.
Most of the times Extra Judicial Killing targets the leading politicians, religious figures, trade
unions leaders and sometimes socially popular figures. Extra Judicial killings are carried out
by the state government or other state authorities like the armed forces and police.
Extrajudicial can be written like this ex·tra·ju·di·cial , that means-
Outside the authority of the court
Outside of the usual judicial proceeding. [2] 
If any killing occurs by the law reinforcement battalion of the country outside the authority
of the court will be known as extrajudicial killing [3] .It’s a violation in democracy. Cause
Democracy is based on the right of human. And thus it also termed with rules and regulation.
Civil court has the authority to give order on execution and it’s the highest state of the land.
As a Democratic country Bangladesh is up against extrajudicial killing.

As Davao City is to be considered as one of the safest places in the Philippines, and the world; we must
not forget about the methods on how criminals there are being swatted like insects by policemen, and a
vigilante group called the "Davao Death Squad". According to Davao City mayor Rodrigo Duterte in an
interview, "If you are doing an illegal activity in my city, if you are a criminal or part of a syndicate that
preys on the innocent people of the city, for as long as I am the mayor, you are a legitimate target of
assassination." Even minors, especially when they are roaming in the streets, are not safe when some
men in black riding in motorcycles will try to shoot them point blank.

On the bright side, despite the criticism from the Commission of Human Rights, Davao City's crime rate
dropped drastically to the point local tourism organizations gave credit to the city as one of the safest
and most peaceful cities in Southeast Asia. It becomes very advantageous, especially when you are
under captive of a criminal syndicate from a distant place from Davao (i.e., such as in Quezon City), you
could easily trick your captors into withdrawing the money randsom in a bank there, only for them to
get a taste of their own medicine! That's why Mayor Rody Duterte also insinuated that criminals can't
leave Davao City alive.

(1) http://www.japanfocus.org...

(2) http://www.numbeo.com...

(3) http://www.sunstar.com.ph...

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alfred311

Pro

I accept the challenge, I believe it should be condemned, in a democratic country, due process of law
should be observed at all times. Only the convicted should be punished and this acts will just lead to
abuses just like the nazi and marcos who sugar coat their agenda by pretending they are doing it for
order yet commited more crimes in the end

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theeternalrival
Con

Your statement does have a point. However, due process of law in the local government in Davao City
has observed frequently. The Dutertes are apart from that of Marcos' political ideals, citizens in Davao
defined Mayor Rodrigo Duterte as the city's disciplinarian, and the citizens of Davao applauded this form
of criminal punishment; regardless of the criticisms of the Commission of Human Rights. Policemen
arrest suspects when caught; if resisting arrest, they have no other choice but to use force.

"we must not forget about the methods on how criminals there are being swatted like insects by
policemen, and a vigilante group called the "Davao Death Squad""

You just mentioned that there is a group called Davao Death Squad in the province, how is it become
due process of law when they are the one who judged and sentenced the person accused of a crime

"According to Davao City mayor Rodrigo Duterte in an interview, "If you are doing an illegal activity in
my city, if you are a criminal or part of a syndicate that preys on the innocent people of the city, for as
long as I am the mayor, you are a legitimate target of assassination."

There are limits to freedom of speech, one of which is threatening someone. This alone constitute a
crime. If you suspect of someone of doing a crime, you tell them that the full extent of law will catch on
them and will not put the law on you hand

"Even minors, especially when they are roaming in the streets, are not safe when some men in black
riding in motorcycles will try to shoot them point blank."

shooting someone point blank is due process of law?

For my full argument.

First of all only petty crimes are reported killed by the vigilante group in Davao. On the other hand,
Davao is a safe haven for big time criminals. Ever heard of a congressman or a senator accused of
plundering shot dead in Davao, of course not because due process of law applies to them. But for small
time drug pushers, thieves and pickpockets are shot down immediately. One most glaring example is the
safe passage of Ampatuans living in Davao. Many people are aware of their horrendous acts, and yet the
Duterte didnt touch them, Another example is the case of a big time rice smuggler operating in Davao.
Mayor Duterte said that he will kill the guy and yet the smuggler reigns for so many years without fear
from the mayors death squad. why? Because that is how vigilante justice works, one sided.

Fear is used by hitler and marcos in the name of safety and security, what happen next is history. You
can study other countries that use high crime rates to push for their personal agenda. Next is taking over
the economy for the benefits of the poor and the list of crimes go on. Study all the country with a
dictator leader or authoritarian form of government, they all have the same common denominator.
Lastly let me share a quote from Benjamin Franklin for others to reflect on:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety"

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"Fear is used by hitler and marcos in the name of safety and security, what happen next is history. You
can study other countries that use high crime rates to push for their personal agenda. Next is taking over
the economy for the benefits of the poor and the list of crimes go on. Study all the country with a
dictator leader or authoritarian form of government, they all have the same common denominator."

Of course this involves usage of fear. In the case of mayor Duterte, this is more a Castro-like ideal.
Nowadays, many davaoenos seem to praise his actions, despite the latter being aware of possible
consequence of continuous extrajudicial killings in Davao.

Come to think of it, this is just like in the concept of revenge... according to a maxim "Revenge is a dish
best served cold." Because, outlaws cannot escape if they terrorize Davao City, and so, they will find
themselves at the mercy of the authorities or even the DDS - something that criminals in and outside
Davao city could not afford to expect. So, they (the policemen of Davao, DDS, or even Mayor Duterte
himself) plan to take justice to their own hands without relying on due process of law, and anticipate so
they can inflict pain on those who prey on the innocent. Ultimately for them, they have planned this
precisely so they want criminals to suffer terribly, and Mayor Duterte is not being harmed by the
government.

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alfred311

Pro

I rest my case, you believe fear is the solution for a disciplined society rather than serving justice to
everyone. No country or any province achieved security by taking the law in their own hands. The Arab
spring is a cry for all people who suffered long enough from their government using fear as a form of
security

Imagine someone kicking your door without warrant of arrest or search warrant and will accused you of
a crime you didn't commit. I just hope you experience the martial law and the time where Ferdinand
Marcos use fear as a blanket for solving crime, and in the end many innocent people are killed and the
economy suffer.

You are the type of person that will exchange liberty for temporary security, you didn't know that the
root of crimes are mostly poverty, hence the only solution for these are improving the economy. Go to
some exclusive subdivision vs squatters area, ever wonder why there are few crime from the former
than the latter? You don't need to use fear to lessen crime. Just look at the top ten country with lowest
crime rate. Most of them have a strong economy, Japan, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, Singapore,
Luxembourg, etc. If you still haven't see the correlation then I cannot do anything anymore to broaden
your knowledge.

To conclude, killing someone without due process of law is the worst crime against humanity. Anyone
who gives consent to such are bound to be a victim themselves.