May 19, 2022

Glen Rosales
1008 Teak Court
Moore, Oklahoma 73160

Re: Glen Rosales

Court#: 2012-09860
SSN: ***-**-0421
Employer: Baker Hughes
DOI: August 19, 2012

VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION EVALUATION

INITIAL REPORT

Referral Information

Mr. Rosales file was self referred to Vocational Consulting for Oklahoma. The vocational
evaluation interview was held on May 6, 2022 at the office in Norman. The following requests
for the evaluation were made:
• perform a rehabilitation evaluation, including recommendations for vocational retraining
plans, if appropriate.
• determine transferable skills.
• provide an opinion on permanent total disability status.

Sources of Information

Medical records have been reviewed as provided by parties involved and received as of the date
of submission of this report.

In addition, information obtained from the course of the vocational evaluation includes paperwork
completed by Mr. Rosales, information obtained in the process of the interview and follow-up
discussions, behavioral observations, assessment results, and labor market research. All
vocationally relevant information is outlined.

All opinions rendered are based on these documents reviewed. Should additional documentation
become available, I respectfully reserve the right to supplement this report.

Counselor Observations

Mr. Rosales arrived on time for the evaluation and was unaccompanied. He was pleasant,
cooperative, and engaged in the evaluation process. He answered all questions presented to him
and shared information freely. Rapport was very easily established.

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Mr. Rosales was observed to ambulate with the assistance of two arm crutches. He walks with an
abnormal, unsteady gait. He did take one break during the evaluation during which he left the
office to walk and stretch. While seated during the evaluation, Mr. Rosales frequently moved in
his chair, readjusted his position, and moved his legs. During conversation, Mr. Rosales was
emotionally labile, varying between laughing and being nearly distraught.

Unrelated Relevant Medical History and Report of Treatment

Mr. Rosales reported sustaining an injury to the right shoulder in 1999 during the course of his
employment with Pepsi-Cola. He reported being unsure of the exact mechanism of injury but one
day was unable to move the right arm. He reported undergoing one surgical procedure to repair
the right shoulder and repair of the right clavicle. Mr. Rosales reported he recovered well from this
procedure and, following revery, had no vocational impacts. He stated he has not had any return
of symptoms with use of the cane(s) for ambulation.

Mr. Rosales denied any chronic medical diagnoses or conditions.

Report of Injury by Mr. Rosales

Mr. Rosales reported sustaining an injury to the lumbar spine on August 19, 2012, during his
employment with Baker Hughes. He stated the injury occurred while working on a hydraulic
pump, and the awkward maneuvering caused a pop in the back. Mr. Rosales stated he had
immediate onset of pain and difficulty breathing.

Mr. Rosales reported being evaluated at a local Emergency Department and taken off work. He
stated he underwent chiropractic adjustments, without benefit, and came under the care of Dr.
Brown for physiatry. He stated he was referred for a series of epidural steroid injections, also
without benefit. Mr. Rosales reported coming under the care of Dr. Donald Horton and an
anterior/posterior fusion was accomplished in 2014. He reported undergoing a hardware removal
procedure with Dr. Horton approximately one year following the fusion. Mr. Rosales reported Dr.
Horton referred him for a functional capacity evaluation and released him from care.

Mr. Rosales reported developing urinary incontinence approximately at the time of injury. He
stated that he was somewhat able to manage the symptoms until approximately 2017. He stated
at this time he came under the care of Dr. Bankhead and a stimulator was implanted. He stated
that he is nearing the timeframe for a battery replacement, but it has not yet been scheduled.

Mr. Rosales reported participating in mental health treatment with Dr. David Johnsen and his team
for the development of depression. He reported participating in approximately 23 sessions which
he stated were beneficial.

Medical Summary

Records indicate Mr. Rosales was initially evaluated at the emergency room where he was
evaluated and subsequently released. Records also indicate the initial course of treatment was

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monitored by his primary care physician which included prescribing pain medication and a referral
for chiropractic manipulations. Records indicate the manipulations did not provide improvement.

Records indicate Mr. Rosales came under the care of Dr. Michael Brown and was referred for a
course of physical therapy, for an epidural steroid injection with Dr. Gaylan Yates, and
medications were prescribed. Records indicate the series of epidural steroid injections did not
provide benefit.

Mr. Rosales participated in medical care with Dr. Donald Horton for the lumbar spine with records
available for review between January 28, 2013 through May 7, 2017. Dr. Horton initially pursued
conservative management of Mr. Rosales’s symptoms before recommending surgical intervention.
On July 10, 2014, Dr. Horton, assisted by Dr. Hisey and Dr. Melton, accomplished an
anterior/posterior fusion at L4-5 and L5-S1. In the post-operative appointments with Dr. Horton,
it is noted Mr. Rosales’s fusion was healing but Mr. Rosales did develop a wound infection,
anteriorly. This is noted to be treated with antibiotics. Mr. Rosales was referred for physical
therapy and his recovery continued to be monitored via evaluation and review of x-ray studies.
Dr. Horton referred Mr. Rosales for a functional capacity evaluation which was accomplished on
July 30, 2015, with Functional Assessment Centers of Oklahoma. The functional capacity
evaluation report indicates Mr. Rosales demonstrated a reliable representation of his abilities. On
August 7, 2015, Dr. Horton notes review of the functional capacity evaluation accomplished on
July 30, 2015 and provides the opinion that Mr. Rosales’s physical demonstration is appropriate
for his permanent restrictions. Dr. Horton recommends restrictions of lifting of 20 pounds and
pushing/pulling of 90 pounds. Dr. Horton indicates Mr. Rosales is considering having the
hardware removed. On December 29, 2015, Dr. Horton performed removal of the posterior
instrumentation and inspection of the lumbar fusion. On February 10, 2016, Dr. Horton
transitioned Mr. Rosales back to the restrictions which had been issued on August 7, 2015,
recommended ongoing pain management, and indicated Mr. Rosales was nearing maximum
medical improvement. On February 17, 2016, Dr. Horton provided correspondence to the parties
outlining Mr. Rosales has reached maximum medical improvement and he is released from care.
On May 7, 2017, Dr. Horton provided a letter to the parties indicating that he would reevaluate
Mr. Rosales; however, he is not an expert in urologic issues and will assuredly recommend referral
to one of the fine urologists to assist with urinary issues.

Mr. Rosales participated in medical care for urologic concerns with Dr. Raj Motwani from October
12, 2016 to November 30, 2016 and Dr. Roy Bankhead from January 5, 2017 to November 2,
2017. In Dr. Motwani’s initial record symptoms are noted including urinary frequency, hesitancy,
nocturnal enuresis, and difficulty obtaining and maintaining erections. Dr. Motwani recommended
bloodwork and a urodynamics study. On November 9, 2016, Dr. Motwani notes review of the
studies indicating bloodwork is indicative of a referral for endocrinology. Dr. Motwani notes the
urodynamics study reveals Mr. Rosales is not able to fully empty his bladder and then has a sudden
urge to urinate. Recommendations are made by Dr. Motwani for medications and the
endocrinology referral.

For treatment with Dr. Bankhead, studies were repeated and medications were prescribed. Dr.
Bankhead obtained a peripheral nerve evaluation and noted that Mr. Rosales was greatly improved

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following. Recommendations were made on October 23, 2017 to proceed with a neurostimulator.
On November 2, 2017, Dr. Bankhead performed: incision for implantation of neurostimulator
electrode, sacral nerve (transforaminal placement), left side; fluoroscopy; incision and
subcutaneous placement of peripheral neurostimulator pulse generator or receiver, direct or
inductive coupling; and interaoperative programming InterStim therapy.

Regarding mental health, Mr. Rosales has undergone evaluation and treatment with Dr. David
Johnsen and Dr. Audrey Longson. On February 17, 2014, Dr. David Johnsen performed a
psychological evaluation for pre-surgical measures (for the lumbar fusion). Mr. Rosales is found
to have no acute psychiatric distress or underlying personality disturbance and is noted to likely
respond positively to the proposed procedure. On June 5, 2019, Dr. Audrey Longson performed a
psychiatric evaluation. Dr. Longson opines Mr. Rosales is temporarily totally disabled from a
mental health standpoint and recommendations are made for full evaluation and treatment at a
multi-specialty/multi-disciplinary pain program – a comprehensive treatment program that
includes a true mental health component. Dr. Longson opines Mr. Rosales would benefit from a
higher degree of coordination of care between all his healthcare providers (pain and mental health).
In a supplemental report from Dr. Longson, she opines Mr. Rosales has been temporary total
disability from November 2, 2017 to present. Mr. Rosales returned to Dr. Johnsen’s office on April
29, 2020 and participated in outpatient psychological counseling through February 21, 2021. On
February 23, 2021, Dr. Johnsen provided the opinion Mr. Rosales has reached maximum medical
improvement from a psychological standpoint and now possesses the skills to perform behavioral
pain management techniques at home. Dr. Johnsen opines Mr. Rosales is not temporarily totally
disabled from a psychological standpoint and physical restrictions are deferred to his physician.

On February 21, 2021, Dr. John Munneke performed an independent medical examination on the
referral of The Honorable Judge Bomhoff. Dr. Munneke opines Mr. Rosales does not need any
ongoing medical maintenance from the standpoint of prescription medications but a return to Dr.
Johnsen for an additional four to five counseling sessions is indicated. Dr. Munneke states, “other
than that, it is my opinion the patient is at maximum medical improvement and, in my opinion, he
is permanently totally disabled and will be unable to return to gainful employment.”

On February 28, 2022, Mr. Rosales participated in a functional capacity evaluation with Northwest
Physical Therapy Clinic, on the referral of Dr. Pettigrew. The functional testing results note Mr.
Rosales was able to sit unsupported but required intermittent position changes after 20 minutes
due to increasing discomfort in lumbar spine and right lower extremity as time elapsed. The
determination was that Mr. Rosales cannot sit for more than 20 minutes without position changes.
Regarding standing, the determination was made that Mr. Rosales cannot perform standing
activities greater than 10 minutes without position changes due to decreased balance stability as
time elapsed. Other determinations made:
• Mr. Rosales is unable to perform:
o repetitive twist and bend activities
o prolonged walking greater than 100 feet without an assistive device
o assume squat, kneel, or crawl positions safely
o climb stairs safely

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• regarding lifting, Mr. Rosales was not able to assume proper lifting posture to utilize proper
lifting mechanics and failed all lifting tests.
The opinion is rendered in the functional capacity evaluation that Mr. Rosales is unable to perform
physical demands of work.

On March 31, 2022, Lon Huff, MS, CRC, CDMS submitted a vocational evaluation on the referral
of Paul Scott, Attorney at Law. Mr. Huff notes vocational tests were administered revealing Mr.
Rosales to be of average intelligence, hve average reasoning skills, and to have average mechanical
skills compared to a skilled tradesperson. Mr. Huff opines Mr. Rosales has transferable skills from
his past employment. Mr. Huff opines Mr. Rosales has the ability to learn new skills at the
vocational technical or college level and reiterates past success in studies. Mr. Huff opines Mr.
Rosales cannot return to his past work as a diesel mechanic or transmission mechanic but could
pursue alternate positions utilizing his skills in music, teaching and instruction, computer
technology, or diesel/transmission mechanics. Specifically noted are opportunities for teaching at
the secondary or post-secondary level or service writer for diesel mechanics. Mr. Huff opines Mr.
Rosales is not permanently totally disabled as a result of the August 19, 2012 injury.

Current Medical Treatment

Mr. Rosales reported he is not participating in any active treatment as a result of the injury of
August 19, 2012. He stated he does utilize medical marijuana for pain but as his card is about to
expire, without the funds to renew, he is unsure if he will be able to continue.

Mr. Rosales’s Profile

Glen Rosales
1008 Teak Court
Moore, Oklahoma 73160
405.510.7407

Mr. Rosales reported he is 46 years old, is 5’5” tall, weighs 170 pounds, and is left hand dominant.
He stated he and his wife, Rachel, have been married for 13 years. He reported having one son,
age 10. Mr. Rosales reported living in a multigenerational family home including his in-laws,
grandmother, and occasionally other members will stay there was well.

Mr. Rosales described his daily activities as keeping to the plan established by he and Dr. Johnsen
to be able to still help the family and contribute. He reported he takes his son to school, ensures
he makes it home from school safely, does laundry, and does some walking as he feels able. Mr.
Rosales stated he has found it consistently more difficult to be able to sustain the required abilities
to complete tasks such as laundry or walking.

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Subjective Report of Symptoms and Abilities

Mr. Rosales reported having constant pain in the lumbar spine that extends into the bilateral lower
extremities. He described his pain as “nerve like and a deep bone pain” that will intensify with
sustained activities. He describes limited mobility in the lumbar spine.

Mr. Rosales reported having difficulty with balance for the left leg and a loss of strength in the
right leg impacting his ambulation.

Mr. Rosales reported that his urinary symptoms are generally okay with use of the stimulator. He
reported that prior to the stimulator being implanted he had difficulty with urgency, incontinence,
and being able to fully empty his bladder.

With regard to mental health, Mr. Rosales reported he has done better after working with Dr.
Johnsen. He reported he still struggles to accept that he has difficulty completing tasks,
contributing to the household, and not being able to do activities with his son. He expressed stress
and concerns over the family’s financial situation. He reported being fearful of his condition
worsening.

Mr. Rosales stated that he is finding it more and more difficult to be able to accommodate the tasks
that he does perform at the house due to a conditioned worsening of symptoms and more difficulty
with focus and concentration.

He described walking as “a huge effort” and stated he can take approximately 40 steps, with use
of bilateral canes, before needing to take a break. He stated he can walk up to 15 steps without
use of any assistive devices. He stated the more he walks and/or stands the greater the pain in his
feet become to where he has to lay down for at least 15 minutes to resolve the symptoms.

Mr. Rosales reported he can sit for up to 10 minutes before developing parathesis from the left hip
into the great toe. He stated the right foot will become completely numb.

Mr. Rosales reported he has difficulty lifting any amount of weight and stated that he cannot carry
any weight due to the need for use of the bilateral crutches.

Financial Summary

Mr. Rosales reported he is not currently employed and denied a source of income. He reported
that he is not receiving Social Security Disability benefits as he did not promptly apply at the
advisement of prior legal counsel. He reported concerns regarding being able to apply at this time
due to not having enough quarters to qualify.

Transportation Summary

Mr. Rosales reported he does not have a current driver’s license. He stated the family has a vehicle
it shares.

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Educational History

Mr. Rosales reported completing undergraduate studies at Oklahoma City University (OCU) for a
Bachelor of Arts in Performing Arts in 2000. He reported completing a Master of Arts in
Performing Arts in 2003, also from OCU.

Mr. Rosales reported participating in courses at Oklahoma City Community College for computer
science and electrical technician. He reported taking a few specific classes concurrent with his
teaching at OCU to learn better ways to promote performances and teaching practices. He stated
he did not earn a degree nor take classes toward earning a degree.

Computer Skills

Mr. Rosales reported there is a computer in the home with high-speed Internet access. He reported
he has difficulty typing but can use the Internet, email, and Microsoft office software.

Mr. Rosales described his computer skills as “average” but indicated he does not regularly use a
computer.

Military Service

Mr. Rosales denied military service.

Legal History

Mr. Rosales denied felony convictions.

Vocational Testing

Beta IV is the revision of the Revised Beta Examination, Third Edition (Beta-III). It is designed to
provide a measure of non-verbal general intellectual ability. The Beta IV consists of five tests and
is designed to assess various facets of nonverbal intelligence including visual information
processing, processing speed, spatial and nonverbal reasoning, and aspects of fluid intelligence.
The examination yields an overall estimate of ability, which can be expressed either as an IQ or as
a percentile. Mr. Rosales’s Beta IQ score is 109, which is within the above average range of
intelligence.

The Wide Range Achievement Test-Revised (WRAT-4) was administered to evaluate academic
achievement levels in the skilled academic areas of reading, spelling, and arithmetic.
Test Area Raw Score Standard Score Grade Equivalent Performance Level
Word Reading 61 100 >12.9 Average
Spelling 36 88 7.5 Low Average
Math 41 97 9.1 Average

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The Career Occupational Preference System (COPS) was administered to elicit information
concerning Mr. Rosales’s career interests. The information regards 14 different career clusters.
Career clusters include representative samples of a wide variety of employment possibilities within
the expressed preference of Mr. Rosales. Those career clusters include Consumer Economics,
Outdoor, Communication, Clerical, and Professional and Skilled occupations in Science,
Technology, Business, and Arts. His profile indicates that his highest interests are in Professional
Science, Professional Technology and Skilled Technology occupations, respectively.

Professional Science occupations involve planning, conducting, and applying findings of

research to mathematical, medical, life, and physical sciences.

Professional Technology occupations involve engineering and structural design in the

manufacture, construction, and/or transportation of products or utilities.

Skilled Technology occupations involve working with one’s hands in a skilled trade
concerning construction, manufacture, installation, or repair of products in the related field.

Vocational History

Mr. Rosales’s reported past work experiences as defined in the O*Net, U.S. Department of Labor
Dictionary of Occupational Titles (D.O.T.), Fourth Edition 1991, and Selected Characteristics of
Occupations, are:

Employer: Wal-Mart
Dates of Employment: 8 months in 2016
Job Title: Electronic Sales
O*Net Code: 25-3021.00
DOT Code: 279.357-054
SVP/Skill Level: 3/Semi-Skilled
Physical Demand: Light
Positional Tolerances: Requires No: Climbing, Balancing, Kneeling, Crawling
Requires Occasional: Stooping, Crouching, Use of Fingers
Requires Frequent: Reaching, Handling
Job Duties: Mr. Rosales reported he worked with customers to determine their
needs for various electronic items and secured sales. He stated that
he also did checkout procedures and performed monetary
transactions.

Mr. Rosales reported during the course of his employment his

condition deteriorated and he ultimately left to pursue treatment for
“bladder problems.”

Employer: Baker Hughes

Dates of Employment: 2010 - 2012
Job Title: Electronics Technician

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O*Net Code: 17-3023.00

DOT Code:
SVP/Skill Level:
Physical Demand:
Positional Tolerances:
Job Duties:
003.161-014
7/Skilled
Light
Requires No: Climbing, Balancing, Stooping, Kneeling, Crouching,
Crawling
Requires Frequent: Reaching, Handling, Use of Fingers
Mr. Rosales reported he was responsible for repairing electronic
components on equipment. pumps, and transmissions.

Mr. Rosales reported being terminated the day of the injury, as a

result of the injury.

Employer: Oklahoma City University

Dates of Employment: 2003 to 2011
Job Title: Adjunct Performing Arts Professor
O*Net Code: 25-3021.00
DOT Code: 152.021-010
SVP/Skill Level: 7/Skilled
Physical Demand: Light
Positional Tolerances: Requires No: Climbing, Balancing, Kneeling, Crouching, Crawling
Requires Occasional: Stooping, Reaching
Requires Frequent: Handling, Use of Fingers
Job Duties: Mr. Rosales reported he was responsible for teaching students in the
performing arts, focusing on guitar and performance skills. He
reported writing curriculum, doing private lessons with students,
instructing on technique, and conducting.

Mr. Rosales reported, concurrent with his position he was also a

performer playing in a band and in various church groups.

Return to Work Expectations

I had an extended discussion with Mr. Rosales regarding his expectations for returning to gainful
employment. Mr. Rosales reported that it has always been his dream to be able to return to
employment but he does not feel it is feasible due to his mobility and deteriorating condition issues.

Vocational Discussion

Mr. Rosales underwent treatment for the lumbar spine with Dr. Horton including an
anterior/posterior fusion at L4-5 and L5-S1 on July 10, 2014. Dr. Horton performed a subsequent
hardware removal on December 29, 2015. Dr. Horton recommended permanent restrictions for
no lifting greater than 20 pounds and no pushing or pulling over 90 pounds.

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Mr. Rosales underwent mental health treatment with Dr. Johnsen with noted improvement
following their 23 sessions. Dr. Johnsen released Mr. Rosales from care with no restrictions
regarding psychological overlay.

Mr. Rosales underwent urological treatment with Dr. Bankhead including the implantation of an
InterStim therapy device on November 2, 2017.

On February 28, 2022, Mr. Rosales participated in a functional capacity evaluation and the results
of which indicated Mr. Rosales is unable to perform the physical demands of work. This opinion
was reiterated by Dr. Munneke in the Workers' Compensation Court of Existing Claims obtained
independent medical evaluation.

In review of Mr. Rosales’s prior work history, he has gained skills from his time in sales or as a
professor. He was not employed in his position as an Electronics Technician for a period of time
long enough to have gained transferable skills. Even with having gained skills from the indicated
positions, there are no positions to which they could transfer within Mr. Rosales’s objectively
demonstrated abilities on the functional capacity evaluation.

While Mr. Rosales does have a Master of Arts Degree in Performing Arts, this is a very specialized
area of study and would lend him to have skills for specialized employment predominantly as a
performing artist or teacher/professor. In my professional experience, as well as my personal
experience as a cellist, I have very personal knowledge of the requirements of being a performing
artist and Mr. Rosales’s demonstrated abilities on the functional capacity evaluation of needing to
change positions from being seated every 20 minutes or standing every 10 minutes would not be
feasible. In addition, within this area of specialization a teacher or professor does not simply
sit/stand at the front of a classroom and lecture. These teachers and professors also demonstrate
how to play an instrument and conduct, both of which would be problematic and unrealistic with
his demonstrated abilities.

Based on a review of medical documentation and the vocational evaluation with Mr. Rosales, it is
my opinion that the functional capacity evaluation of January 20, 2022 and opinion of Dr.
Munneke are consistent with this my findings. In my opinion, Mr. Rosales is considered
vocationally permanently totally disabled as a result of the injury of August 19, 2012, sustained
during his employment with Baker Hughes and is not a candidate for vocational rehabilitation
services as they would realistically be able to restore him to any form of employment which could
be maintained.

Thank you for the opportunity to make recommendations regarding Mr. Rosales’s potential return
to employment. Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

“I declare under penalty of perjury that I have examined this report and all statements contained
herein and to the best of my knowledge and belief, they are true, correct, and complete.”

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Respectfully,

Kelsea Mills, MRC, CRC, CVE, CEAS I

Certified Rehabilitation Counselor
Certified Vocational Evaluation Specialist
Certified Ergonomic Assessment Specialist I

Definitions per the Selected Characteristics of Occupations as Defined in the

Revised Dictionary of Occupational Titles

Sedentary Work is defined as exerting up to 10 pounds of force occasionally (up to 1/3 of the time) and/or a negligible
amount of force frequently (from 1/3 to 2/3 of the time) to lift, carry, push, pull, or otherwise move objects. Sedentary
work involves sitting most of the time, but may involve walking or standing for brief periods of time.

Light Work is defined as exerting up to 20 pounds of force occasionally (up to 1/3 of the time), and/or up to 10 pounds
of force frequently, and/or a negligible amount of force constantly (2/3 or more of the time) to move objects. Physical
demand requirements are in excess of those for Sedentary Work. Even though the weight lifted may be only a
negligible amount, a job/occupation is rated Light Work when it requires (1) walking or standing to a significant
degree; (2) sitting most of the time while pushing or pulling arm or leg controls; or (3) working at a production rate
pace while constantly pushing or pulling materials even though the weight of the materials is negligible.

Medium Work is defined as exerting 20 to 50 pounds of force occasionally (up to 1/3 of the time), and/or 10 to 25
pounds of force frequently (from 1/3 to 2/3 of the time), and/or greater than negligible up to 10 pounds of force
constantly (2/3 or more of the time) to move objects. Physical requirements are in excess of those for Light Work.

Heavy Work is defined as exerting 50 to 100 pounds of force occasionally, and/or 25 to 50 pounds of force frequently,
and/or 10 to 20 pounds of force constantly to move objects. Physical requirements are in excess of those for Medium
Work.

Very Heavy Work is defined as exerting in excess of 100 pounds of force occasionally, and/or in excess of 50 pounds
of force frequently, and/or in excess of 20 pounds of force constantly to move objects. Physical requirements are in
excess of those for Heavy Work.

Occasional = up to 1/3 of the day; Frequent = 1/3 to 2/3 of the day; Constant = 2/3 or more of the day.

The Specific Vocational Preparation (SVP) represents the amount of time required to learn the techniques, acquire
information, and develop the facility needed for average performance in a specific job-worker situation. The training
may be acquired in a school, work, or avocational environment. This includes vocational education, apprentice
training, in-plant training, on-the-job training, military experience, and essential experience in other jobs.
1 Short demonstration only 5 Six months to one year
2 Short demonstration to one month 6 One to two years
3. One to three months 7 Two to four years
4. Three to six months 8 Four to ten years
9 Over to ten years

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